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1.00d is here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3256.msg137143#msg137143)
Last things of note
Hi-res Nwbi scans (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3256.msg157291#msg157291)
Bikini! Theorin scan (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3256.msg157027#msg157027)
TSO and Letty Symmetrical Docking (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3256.msg156985#msg156985)
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THIS GAME ROCKS! YEAAAAH!
There, you have good publicity now.
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THIS GAME ROCKS! YEAAAAH!
There, you have good publicity now.
Touhou Ijiatsu: Pastry approved!
1 out of 1 pastries voted for this product.
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Is a pastry disapproves and is mysteryously devoured, is it's disapproval nullfied?
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Once the pastry has put in the vote, then its vote is official and still counts even if it gets devoured the next day. Silly Purv!
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I don't like the idea of the dead having a vote.
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So are we going with the difficulty phrases I picked out? I could probably do the graphics for them fairly soon if we agree on them.
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I'm Xan, and Mistress has asked me to express aproval of this game. I would, however, have done so anyway.
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I still feel the lunatic one could be better, but otherwise I approve of them.
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I don't like the idea of the dead having a vote.
Not dead. Eaten. There's a difference. :V
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Digestion is a slow and unpleasant death.
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Digestion is a slow and unpleasant death.
Except for vore fans
Also, I modified Zengar's sprites a little more
Forward:
(http://i35.tinypic.com/eia80j.gif)
Left:
(http://i36.tinypic.com/x3zvbp.gif)
Right:
(http://i34.tinypic.com/2j1jyx3.gif)
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Looks great, but the hat looks really...floppy, as if it was made of the same material as her dress. Perhaps you could stiffen it up a bit?
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Yeah the edges of the hat fly up a bit too much
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Yeah, I second the floppiness. Maybe if you made the wave about half as high?
Easy: For the visually impaired. Don't worry, you'll get better someday.
Normal: A generic difficulty. Also, generic ice cream. Now on sale.
Hard: You might want to turn back while you still have a back to turn.
Lunatic: What is wrong with you
Extra: Oh! Look, a butterfly! No wait, that was a bullet.
Phantasm: SNOWBALL CHALLENGE
Do we still want to label them as "Lunatic" and "Phantasm", or come up with different names to differentiate them from Touhou a little bit? Like.. "Insanity" and "Unprecedented Serious Stage"
We could even make it "Insanity: Are you a Lunatic?!" to make fun of the name change. :V
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Yeah, I second the floppiness. Maybe if you made the wave about half as high?
That's what I'm currently doing
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Easy, Normal, Hard, Derp, Extra, What..
What. with a period, mind you.
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Easy, Normal, Hard, Derp, Extra, What..
What. with a period, mind you.
And thus securing ourselves a link on TvTropes for all eternity. :V
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Fuck you too, buddy. =[
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I'm edging towards what Nobu said. I'm pretty sure we were going to have Unprecedented Serious Stage before, so yeah. I don't particularly like Lunatic -> Insanity, but if we have nothing else for Lunatic's description we could do the "What, are you a Lunatic?". Maybe Non Compos Mentis, lol. Fits with the Idiot Hierarchy.
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Fuck you too, buddy. =[
How is it in any way a bad thing?
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Lunatic: For pure idiots with nothing but time.
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How is it in any way a bad thing?
Purvis is to TV Tropes as TranceHime is to tentacles.
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I'm just warning you Purv. :p
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We're already at v5 and the amount of fanworks is overflowing.
For the difficulty phrases, let's just say I can do with whatever you guys decided on.
To Rou/Drake: could any of you put up the sheet music for Track 01/02/03? I guess this isn't really important, but I'd love to play some Ijiyatsu music when I can (and my ability to perceive pitch by ear is practically nonexistent). Piano format should be fine. :V
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I'm just warning you Purv. :p
Ima beat you with a cinderblock.
Edit: Lunatic names
Retard
Cheap
Silly
Damn I'm Good
Donut
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I made Zengar's hat less floppy now, the ones on the left are the new ones
Forward:
(http://i36.tinypic.com/21c9eeh.gif)(http://i35.tinypic.com/eia80j.jpg)
Left:
(http://i38.tinypic.com/359e79t.gif)(http://i36.tinypic.com/x3zvbp.jpg)
Right:
(http://i37.tinypic.com/149mij8.gif)(http://i34.tinypic.com/2j1jyx3.jpg)
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Well, I think I'll throw my hat into the ring a little bit and come up with alternate names for Lunatic. :V
man what
OH GOD
Face Imploder DX
Ohhhh boy...
'oh'
AAAAAAAAA
derpderpderpderpderp
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Lunatic name:
oh man
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Skye that is delicious.
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Skye that is delicious.
This. This so much.
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So is that the final version? I'm kind of getting tired of working with Zengar's sprites and want to do something else
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I vote for (^o^)/ as lunatic
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JESUS CHRIST 2 PAGES ALREADY
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JESUS CHRIST 2 PAGES ALREADY
Page one for cool people.
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i'm not cool, Purivs. you should know this. :(
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I think you're cool, Slabes. :)
And OBVIOUSLY we should go with the name Lunatic Red
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I think you're cool, Slabes. :)
And OBVIOUSLY we should go with the name Lunatic Red
This post has been brought to you by Nobu
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Or maybe Lunatic could be named after that eye-raping red site thing from a while back.
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"Hey, what's that up there? Is that a UFO? Or maybe a Tobikura fragment?"
"Oh wait, that's just the joke sailing COMPLETELY OVER FLASHTIRADE'S HEAD." >:(
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I think you're cool, Slabes. :)
And OBVIOUSLY we should go with the name Lunatic Red
And make the title burning red for the eyes.
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"Hey, what's that up there? Is that a UFO? Or maybe a Tobikura fragment?"
"Oh wait, that's just the joke sailing COMPLETELY OVER FLASHTIRADE'S HEAD." >:(
/me shoots at it anyways.
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"Hey, what's that up there? Is that a UFO? Or maybe a Tobikura fragment?"
"Oh wait, that's just the joke sailing COMPLETELY OVER FLASHTIRADE'S HEAD." >:(
Hey, I take offense to that! I'm not stupid!
So what was the joke?
/notserious
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I read some comments and just like to say:
At any stage I did not make these so that you can have sexual fantasies over them, these drawings are solely just my interpretation of the characters and they are meant as answers to friendly requests. I would be pretty darn offended if you lot really did hotglue the pics despite it being digital in format.
So I pray you lot have not done so.
On this note as well, I appreciate my work being appreciated so much here, and it is what that keeps me drawing, as long as you people want me to draw for you, I would be glad to do so, and I will keep posting them here, though putting them in the art thread I made is just as well an option, I believe you won't mind I keep them here.
On another note, I suppose I will do Xan, but I don't recall any Slaves art of you, and Nobu is actually sort of done, but... erm... and somewhat strange.
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I read some comments and just like to say:
At any stage I did not make these so that you can have sexual fantasies over them, these drawings are solely just my interpretation of the characters and they are meant as answers to friendly requests. I would be pretty darn offended if you lot really did hotglue the pics despite it being digital in format.
So I pray you lot have not done so.
On this note as well, I appreciate my work being appreciated so much here, and it is what that keeps me drawing, as long as you people want me to draw for you, I would be glad to do so, and I will keep posting them here, though putting them in the art thread I made is just as well an option, I believe you won't mind I keep them here.
On another note, I suppose I will do Xan, but I don't recall any Slaves art of you, and Nobu is actually sort of done, but... erm... and somewhat strange.
(http://i37.tinypic.com/nq5v12.jpg)
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I would certainly never complain about A-F art of me (http://i36.tinypic.com/p9do9.jpg) either, but consider me low-priority since I'm not in the actual cast~
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I read some comments and just like to say:
At any stage I did not make these so that you can have sexual fantasies over them, these drawings are solely just my interpretation of the characters and they are meant as answers to friendly requests. I would be pretty darn offended if you lot really did hotglue the pics despite it being digital in format.
So I pray you lot have not done so.
On this note as well, I appreciate my work being appreciated so much here, and it is what that keeps me drawing, as long as you people want me to draw for you, I would be glad to do so, and I will keep posting them here, though putting them in the art thread I made is just as well an option, I believe you won't mind I keep them here.
If it makes you feel so much better, I never fapped to your images.
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It's been a busy week for Gpop, you see.
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My vote for Lunatic is "YEEAAAAAAAHHHHHH"
-- Wait. How about "The One True Idiot"?
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Nobu is actually sort of done, but... erm... and somewhat strange.
Somewhat strange? O_o
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Somewhat strange? O_o
He doesn't remember drawing it at all. And you came out looking like a beast with a dozen heads and a dozen wings, none of them recognizable to nature.
Lunatic mode:
Unfunny.
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I drew Nobu tanned cause I went overboard with shading.
If it makes you feel so much better, I never fapped to your images.
and I am glad
xan.jpg
cannot undress an European maid (Emma style)
so no bikini for this lol, but damn, have I got an idea. (cue broom between tits)
I would certainly never complain about A-F art of me (http://i36.tinypic.com/p9do9.jpg) either, but consider me low-priority since I'm not in the actual cast~
certainly darling.
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If it makes you feel so much better, I never fapped to your images.
^
Also, I wouldn't mind some art of myself, but. I'd much rather wait until you're done with what you're already doing before I add more to your plate. :x
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SUREIVUSU!
(http://i34.tinypic.com/20zz584.gif)
(http://i36.tinypic.com/34jd5rd.gif)
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SUREIVUSU!
*IT'S ALIVE*
*ALIVE, I SAY!*
oh man
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SUREIVUSU!
(http://i34.tinypic.com/20zz584.gif)
(http://i36.tinypic.com/34jd5rd.gif)
This is DEEEEEEELICIOUS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0j0lO7uQBo&feature=related)
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壮大〜
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Slaves is so fuwa fuwa
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cannot undress an European maid (Emma style)
so no bikini for this lol, but damn, have I got an idea. (cue broom between tits)
Very good sir.
/me bows
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My vote for Lunatic is "This is a thing."
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Make the eyes on the hat move and it'll be perfect
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There should be a poll on the difficulty descriptions.
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That'd be a pretty gigantic mother of a poll.
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This is one of those situations where de facto leadership fails.
Drake, since you seem to be the one making the graphics anyway, I nominate you to make your best judgement on what the difficulty/descriptions should be. And if anyone has a major problem with Drake's picks, they can just make a case for it here of course.
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I challenge Drake to a knifefight on the old stone bridge for naming rights
He had good choices originally. I support this axtion.
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Meh, I'll try this.
Easy: For Geniuses
If you know that 3 X 3 is 9, this is the choice for you.
Normal: For Common People
The everyday course.
Only if you play a lot, though.
Hard: For Slow People
The difficulty if you don't think that quickly.
Your dodging skills are impressive, though.
Lunatic: For Idiots
The difficulty for people who put all their energy
In their fingers and not their brains.
Extra: Negative IQ
To have fingers this agile,
Your intelligence would need to be impossibly low.
Phantasm: (9)
The absolute utmost challenge.
You must be the strongest to play this.
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Nevermind. Let's do Rou's. I like what he came up with. :V
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Rou is best
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I really like the Harder -> Idiot concept.
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Phantasm:
You open a pdf with media player.
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Lunatic: For Idiots
The difficulty for people who put all their energy
In their fingers and not their brains.
I'm feel somewhat insulted by this. At the same time, I can't stop laughing at a certain person because it hold true for them :V
Cut by Pesco: Exactly who I was thinking of.
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Phantasm: ⑨
You open a pdf file with a media player.
You must be the strongest to play this.
there we go
I'm pretty sure that with a few little linguistic edits, it's decided.
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After careful consideration, Rou's ideas are also acceptable.
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"PDF files can be opened with media player" has been so implied it is now officially correct.
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Hmmm...
Yep, gonna jump on the Rou's Ideas bandwagon here~
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Hmmm...
Yep, gonna jump on the Rou's Ideas bandwagon here~
I support Mistress's decision
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I support Mistress's decision
Xan is maid of good. =D
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Xan is maid of good. =D
More perfect and elegant than Sakuya could ever hope to be~
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More perfect and elegant than Sakuya could ever hope to be~
S-such praise, Mistress. I am undeserving...
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S-such praise, Mistress. I am undeserving...
Guess that means she needs to be included in Stage 6 somehow, huh?
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Guess that means she needs to be included in Stage 6 somehow, huh?
T-that would be too much to ask...
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T-that would be too much to ask...
Nonsense. Being an Embodiment pretty much means you can be put wherever we want~
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Nonsense. Being an Embodiment pretty much means you can be put wherever we want~
Even mars?
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Now, since Xan is better than Sakuya, does she throw swords or something else?
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well, cleaned up the tan
because, therefore
full size:
[nsfw]http://h.imagehost.org/view/0555/we3[/nsfw]
new for the day.
It doesn't look like Nobu has a flower on her head anymore, it looks like she is wearing it.
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I still think we shouldn't use the name "Phantasm", since I feel like it was catered specifically to PCB.
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I still think we shouldn't use the name "Phantasm", since I feel like it was catered specifically to PCB.
Call it derp, then?
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Extra Extra Stage
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A-F's new art is also amazing ^-^...if a little anorexic, though that seems to be the case in a lot of his things.
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Extra Extra Stage
ONE MORE EXTRA STAGE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmC9kqIoBms)
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ONE MORE EXTRA STAGE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmC9kqIoBms)
Holy shit, this. ONE MORE EXTRA STAGE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkW6MAfuiTU#t=2m35s) is best.
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I always thought of Phantasm as OMES
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Now, since Xan is better than Sakuya, does she throw swords or something else?
Xan throws God Grades~
And Imouto-chan looks adorable~ I especially love the detail on the flower~
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A-F's new art is also amazing ^-^...if a little anorexic, though that seems to be the case in a lot of his things.
all the nutrition goes to the breasts.
as per universal anime laws.
drawing Xan now, she seems sorta fat.;..
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Xan throws God Grades~
M-mistress, that seems a little excessive... B-besides, I don't want to steal Zengar's thunder...
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all the nutrition goes to the breasts.
as per universal anime laws.
Well, be nice if it worked like that in real life.
Ok, maybe not. Even at my current size it can be irritating.
But...a smaller waist would not be negative.
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question, what are those things on Xan's apron and neck?
are those:
1. puffy balls
2. balls/beads
3. bells?
4. hard metallic things?
(http://i.imagehost.org/0363/Picture_0088.jpg) (http://i.imagehost.org/view/0363/Picture_0088)
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Oh god...
/me goes off to greet Xan
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same things that are on Theorin's bow/belt.
that is, puffballs.
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Great.
now I can continue~
I just jokingly removed the puff ball on the apron and put in a set of pliers.
I dunno why.
it looks bad ass though.
PLIER APRONS.
5th reply after this tells me what sort of thing shall be installed on Xan's apron.
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Holy O_O Adult Nobu. Uwa~, my loli aesthetic has been completely ruined!
You're p. awesome A-F ~<3 Uh, you don't have to worry about getting to this for a while, but can my next incarnation have clothes? Ehehe. And smaller breasts, mebee. :3
Also..GOD YES. I VOTE FOR 'ONE MORE EXTRA STAGE'. Please god, that would be too good.
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We the Purvis do hereby give our approval to One More Extra Stage.
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That's not trademarked by any chance, is it? :V
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Fair Use.
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One More Extra Stage is the only option at this point.
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I tried what you told me to make it so like I am cheating myself... it almost worked... but then the waist was so thin i just beefed her up on the chest.... unconsciously....
someone help me, my reverse-zuness will be the end of my love here.
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Silly A-F, I'll love you no matter how small you make my waist or how big you make my chest!
Though make it anything like how you did Slaves and I swear to god i'll
~<3
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Holy youkai jesus yes.
Easy: For Geniuses
If you know that 3 X 3 is 9, this is the choice for you.
Normal: For Average People
The usual course.
Only if you play a lot, though.
Hard: For Slow People
You must not think that quickly.
Your dodging skills are impressive, though.
Lunatic: For Idiots
The difficulty for people who put all their energy
In their fingers and not their brains.
Extra: Negative IQ
To have fingers this agile,
Your intelligence would need to be impossibly low.
One More Extra Stage: ⑨
You open a pdf file with a media player.
You must be the strongest to play this.
Any objections?
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Any objections will be accompanied by a lead piping.
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Actually, now that I think about it, the Extra stage description might serve to be tweaked a little bit.
Since the theme is Harder difficulty---->Stupider, and Extra stage usually isn't harder than Lunatic but kinda like a side quest, after all. Maybe something like "Is your brain starting to feel numb? Maybe you should take it easy~" or something like that.
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/me whacks Nobu with a lead pipe.
Sorry, gave my word =|
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Can't really argue with that. :/
/me continues to bleed profusely.
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You know, Phantasm/OMES is actually the eighth stage, not the ninth.
This isn't an objection, I'm just pointing that out. :3
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/me hits Muffin with a lead pipe.
We don't cotton to trying to put the word of the law over the spirit of the law around these parts.
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No, I mean, I think it's an awesome fact in context. :3
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/me hits Muffin with a lead pipe.
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/me explodes in a shower of gore
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w88/KimikoMuffin/iwbtg-gameover.png) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKMnNJMkMFE)
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stuff
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2aj2kqt.jpg)
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You open a pdf file with a media player.
:V
I did that to troll you guys actually.
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:V
I did that to troll you guys actually.
SUUUUUURE YOU DID :V
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Full support for OMES here
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No one can object to OMES
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Full support for OMES here
...theres a chance its not going to make it still? :V
Seems to be decided by now.
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And now this is stuck in my head (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH-0s0pRleg)
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:V
I did that to troll you guys actually.
You can't troll someone by doing something right
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You can't troll someone by doing something right
He was trolling us by doing the trolling wrong. Duh.
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He was trolling us by doing the trolling wrong. Duh.
If the trolling was wrong, it would not have been trolling in the first place.
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The word overboard and spilling over before sinking the ship under the himalayas could not be appropriate enough for Xan.
output file at 600 dpi caused a crash and it was 7mb large.
this is a 300 dpi version in full:
(http://h.imagehost.org/t/0675/we4.jpg) (http://h.imagehost.org/view/0675/we4)
preview:
(http://h.imagehost.org/0894/we4a.jpg) (http://h.imagehost.org/view/0894/we4a)
I think... I am in love with Xan...
seriously.
As for why the gamepad:
[00:22] <Artsy-FdrawingXan> 5th reply after this tells me what sort of thing shall be installed on Xan's apron.
[00:22] <mobilePUI> so i'm fine with some of them being hella short
[00:24] <mobilePUI> honestly though, why bother fighting over systems? they all have their uses and suit certain games and whatever better
[00:25] <Knowledge> Because my friends are retarded and convinced a gamepad is better for FPS games
[00:25] <Knowledge> :p
[00:25] <MJP> I have to use a gamepad for Touhou. D:
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Up close, breasts look somewhat low. Other than that, holy freaking crap.
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I'd comment but I'm too busy laughing at the gamepad for no reason. Add to it that it looks like Xan has a gamepad for a tail, which may be why I find it so amusing. :V
But on a more serious note... I can't really think of much to say other than that Xan looks wonderful.
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Is that a gamepad on her ribbon ends?
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Is that a gamepad on her ribbon ends?
Yes, yes it is. And for some reason I find it to be much more amusing than it should be. Probably because it kind of looks like she has tail with a gamepad at the end of it.
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blame MJP lol.
Up close, breasts look somewhat low. Other than that, holy freaking crap.
her left shoulder is too high actually my mistake.
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Supreme convenience.
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now, the next question is, does the controller control Xan?
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Wow. It took longer than I expected for someone to ask that question. :V
Also... I doubt it. I mean, man. Leaving your own controls hanging out there like that is just asking for trouble
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Xan's moveset:
1. Whirling Maid Tornado : Fast hit repeat A
2. Maid Typhoon: > v < ^ x 2 hard kick D
3. Maid Shoryuken! > < ^ A B C A B C
4. Maid Air Rape < < B ^ A B C A B C A B C close D for throw.
lol
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Xan's moveset:
1. Whirling Maid Tornado : Fast hit repeat A
2. Maid Typhoon: > v < ^ x 2 hard kick D
3. Maid Shoryuken! > < ^ A B C A B C
4. Maid Air Rape < < B ^ A B C A B C A B C close D for throw.
lol
yes now where are the maid RPG functions? |3
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Broomstick between the boobs was a genius idea.
Edit: I think Xan's controller is like Rumia's bow - it's the key to her godmode. Except instead of merely removing it, to unlock Xan's godmode, you have to enter Down X Right Left Right R1 Right Down Up Triangle.
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Yes, yes it is. And for some reason I find it to be much more amusing than it should be. Probably because it kind of looks like she has tail with a gamepad at the end of it.
lmao it indeed looks like her tail if you don't pay enough attention to the ribbon. That is funny.
I got one word at Xan's picture:
☆PAD☆
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her left shoulder is too high
Yep. That's it.
Also, deerrp, this thing will take an ungodly amount of days to finish. I'm switching to something else for the time being. T_T
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(This maid supports Xbox 360 cause PS3 fuck you)
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(This maid supports Xbox 360 cause PS3 fuck you)
wait, then where do you plug in the chords for playing it/her?
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Jesus christ A-F you have outdone yourself, Ijiyatu Xan looks absolutely stunning.
I can hardly believe it. *___*;;;
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Xan is so cute, even with the huge breasts...
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wait, then where do you plug in the chords for playing it/her?
wireless, breast jiggling mode on (vibration), and HD projection.
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does she suport wi-fi/online play :V
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Aside the overflow of moe I have a serious question to ask ( WHAT? )
I need some suggestions for the spellcircle text which appears. The original reads: Border of Life with a red opaque-background. I was thinking of: Border of Idiots originally, but let me hear some suggestions or approval.
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didn't you already do one, Hele? i remember seeing it a while ago.
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didn't you already do one, Hele? i remember seeing it a while ago.
Ye but it got lost in the old thread. And god knows which page it was or which version even ( c or d ). Therefor I am asking it again ^.^
Edit: it is in none, the thread got nuked with the previous forum. Imagine like two threads saging when I posted the spellcircle last time. What the hell.
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Jesus Christ my hands are trembling.
OH GOD THE REVERSE ZUN DISEASE IS CONSUMING MY SOUL FOR DOING THIS
[nsfw]http://i.imagehost.org/view/0857/we3ra[/nsfw]
not the remarkable reduction.
YMMV.
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I still haven't been swimsuit'd :(
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That's pretty amazing detail on the flower there.
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I still haven't been swimsuit'd :(
patience... and you don't need it lol
(interpret this however way you want... kekeke)
That's pretty amazing detail on the flower there.
it is photoshopped, it is a stock picture.
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Does that mean you think I'm ugly :(
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it is photoshopped, it is a stock picture.
Seems logical, given you were mentioning your hands were trembling >_>
Still, the picture is great. Moar~
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Was being bored and attempted this (http://i38.tinypic.com/b3tq1c.png)
Hello Purvis boss custom bullets.
(http://i34.tinypic.com/bgeg4l.png)
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contains flavorful fluids lol
Does that mean you think I'm ugly :(
and no, not really.
you are just hard to draw.
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(This maid supports Xbox 360 cause PS3 fuck you)
This is the truth. The PS3 costs significantly more than the 360 for a only very slightly superior console.
Besides, Microsoft knows how to give press confrences that don't suck and end up as memes.
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Besides, Microsoft knows how to give press confrences that don't suck and end up as memes.
IT'S RIDGE RACER
RIIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAACER
GJ A-F, awesome as always, wondering when I'll show up, etc.
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This is the truth. The PS3 costs significantly more than the 360 for a only very slightly superior console.
Besides, Microsoft knows how to give press confrences that don't suck and end up as memes.
Same reason I'm not likely to get a swimsuit edition, right :P?
Also, I would cosplay Xan. That's amazing.
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Hooray, i'm (mostly) flat again! \o/
Was being bored and attempted this (http://i38.tinypic.com/b3tq1c.png)
Hello Purvis boss custom bullets.
(http://i34.tinypic.com/bgeg4l.png)
Well *I'm* going to say something about it. I think these are p. sweet. :3
What if Purv had syringes for familiars that shot out danmaku? Would there be a way to animate the syringes so they empty and refill?
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I still have the larger photoshop version of it so I can resize it into a possible familiar size which is emptying and refilling. Though depends on how crazy we are planning it. Everything is almost possible it just takes alot of time.
PS: This was also my first time spriting something totally from scratch. I am amazed of myself.
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(http://h.imagehost.org/t/0675/we4.jpg) (http://h.imagehost.org/view/0675/we4)
I think... I am in love with Xan...
seriously.
...You're not the only one~ Best. Maid. EVER. Once again you've outdone yourself, AF~<3
Also I have a PS3 and refuse to buy a 360 for my own reasons. So yeah~
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all of you do realize that i get all the credit for these drawings since i made their wonderful designs. 8)
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I wanted to see if I could help with Danmakufu also. After following Helepolis' tutorial Danmakufu became really simple for me. This is my first try at Danmakufu. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXk3gVVYFYY)
With a little more practice I can make spell cards for our game
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except I totally own the rights to those extra titties.
also.
HERE IS TO YOU SLAVES, THE ULTIMATE GIFT
I tried coloring and failed, tried to bring out the wetness of it.
[nsfw]http://h.imagehost.org/view/0823/3w2[/nsfw]
then I decided it was not a good idea so I:
[nsfw]http://h.imagehost.org/view/0310/3w1[/nsfw]
yeah, more natural
I WILL make a version of you that is suitably so your loli self, once I somehow conquer my hands trembling from drawing loli tits.
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:'(
Nice drawing, otherwise.
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I actually wonder why I can't draw flat chest successfully, they all somehow ended up... strange.
as though it was natural for them to bulge, but it goes wrong all the time.
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@Slave's swimsuit picture. Danbooru tag: Huge_breasts.
I actually wonder why I can't draw flat chest successfully, they all somehow ended up... strange.
as though it was natural for them to bulge, but it goes wrong all the time.
Maybe don't draw them flat but modest. Like smaller cupsize instead of regular D E F. :V
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pffffahahahaha oh god. The picture itself is hilarious (especially if you imagine notslaves' spine crying :V), but for me... I'd have to say the description is the kicker.
In any case, now that we're done with that horrible joke... What's next?
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Maybe try looking at loli/flatchested illustrations for reference, A-F? :V
I want to see the full size picture, but i'm sitting in class and while it's TECHNICALLY SFW, people in the back of the class would be able to see those knockers if I put them on screen. So... later.
Also, Helepolis brings up a good question with his Purvis syringes: what kind of custom/boss specific danmaku/familiar are we going to want? To make things easy on the people making the sprites, I think we should keep from going overboard and keeping it to things that really fit well, but how about we open the floor for suggestions?
I'll start off with a few:
Slaves - Pencils or Crayons (maybe could even reuse Rou's pencils)
Purvis: HOBO NICKELS, syringes
Letty: Snowballs
Edible: Red Circle with Line (I.E "No ___" sign), i.e. :edibledoesnotapprove:
And we'll probably need to make some kind of 'e we' danmaku at some point.
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Tildes, black roses, "Orbs of the Forgotten",
dinosaurs, possibly knives...
Oh, and tildes~ I know I said it before, but it bares repeating~
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i think someone mentioned a while ago that some of my bullets could look like they were made of lined paper.
if we do that, i could probably just scan a piece of lined paper and you guys could make bullets from that.
also, it would probably be a good idea to not make a ton of custom bullets.
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Wasn't I going to have some really inappropriate danmaku? I mean, anything kinky would work. I think we were going to handwave it a la Koishi.
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Wasn't I going to have some really inappropriate danmaku? I mean, anything kinky would work. I think we were going to handwave it a la Koishi.
I already have the peenmaku though :V
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I already have the peenmaku though :V
I thought I called it in the first thread? Danmaku suspiciously shaped like dildos?
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uhh
how about we just give to black squiggly lasers that behave like whips? :I
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I thought I called it in the first thread? Danmaku suspiciously shaped like dildos?
Yeah well I already got my shot-type in the works so :V (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3577.msg152668#msg152668)
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uhh
how about we just give to black squiggly lasers that behave like whips? :I
I'm fine with that. I also had some control that used chains so were stuck in a certain portion of the screen.
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Afaik only PCs get their custom unique shot type, which as been already designed for the major part. We can add a few custom special shaped danmaku for certain bosses.
But I forgot Purvis was only a midboss in Ex stage :V I didn't check the list before spriting. Ohwell, still it has been a good practise.
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<Cutey_Moerin> So... I just had a random idea for an Ijiyatsu spellcard whilst in the shower.
<Sana> That's odd
<UncertainKitten> oh?
<Cutey_Moerin> "Chekov's Gun". It involves using something from earlier on in the game that the players would've forgotten about by then.
<Cutey_Moerin> Like, something flying in the background of the first stage, or even an early boss/miniboss.
<UncertainKitten> Nice
<Kilgamyon> Chekov's Gun, it's the last thing on the list and he's got it in his left hand.
<ES_Anthony> so basically a chance for Jan to come back in?
<ArashiKurobara> Maybe based off an early spellcard but with the difficulty cranked up to 11?
<Cutey_Moerin> Hmmm... Possibly...
<Sana> 11/10
<Sana> 110% aptitude!
<UncertainKitten> haha, nice
So... Yeah. Any thoughts~?
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Give a list of what you've claimed and a list of what's left for everyone else to pick from.
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So... Yeah. Any thoughts~?
Yes.
Just shoot the entire cast as bullets.
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Also you (9) 's please suggest the words for the spellcircle: "Border of Idiots (9) " or something else >.< ( this thread moves so fast that posts dissapear all of a sudden )
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How about "Border of Idiots" with a 9 inside the circle.
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I quite fancy "Border of Stupidity"
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I quite fancy "Border of Stupidity"
This
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I like "Border of Idiocy" as opposed to Idiots, because as 'Idiot Energy' is a source of power, it's fitting that it would be involved in the spellcards.
Also, to vote against "Border of Stupidity", I thought it'd be better for us to get away from the idea that Idiot = Stupid.
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Does it necessarily have to be 'Border of ____'? If not, that broadens your options to things other than 'Border of [synonym for idiocy]'. Maybe something like 'Common Sense Ends Here'?
I do quite like Border of Stupidity, though. :V
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What about something like "Idiot of Border" or some mangling of the sentence?
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"I will shoot bullets now"
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How about "pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew" lining the border of the circle? :p
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I think I'll work on the Death Fairy sprites now. The difficult part is the shape of the wing. I have 2 shapes now. Which shape of these 2 is better?
(http://i37.tinypic.com/2ebe4hh.png)
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I think I'll work on the Death Fairy sprites now. The difficult part is the shape of the wing. I have 2 shapes now. Which shape of these 2 is better?
(http://i37.tinypic.com/2ebe4hh.png)
Make a million different Rorschach style wings, And just have the game cycle through them each time. : D
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Guys, even though custom bullets can be fun, we shouldn't go overboard with them and have like 50 billion different bullets used.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d49/puremrz/CustomShots-2.png)
These are puremrz's shots already, which I said we'll probably be using (after a few edits to make them prettier). Before getting a bunch of ideas concerning custom bullets, make a solid outline for at least two attacks and make sure we couldn't just use something from here. Remember, you don't need a different bullet if you want to represent an idea.
I would agree with pewpewpewpew, but a three-letter word looks really simple when in the spinning circle. I do however agree with Border of Idiocy.
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BOOLET.
(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/Cadmas/Heavy_Weapons_Guy__Bullet_by_rrc589.jpg)
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Guess who~?
(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7554/78302307.jpg)
Part of a bigger picture intended to be a battle scene featuring UK and AF. I'm thinking of dropping in a few other PCs and embodiments too.
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So which Death fairy should I use? I want to know which one is better before I start adding the details
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Drake: I was just trying to turn the topic to something more directly game related in response to Hele's custom bullet post. :V And like I said, it was more for brainstorming than anything else. I figured we'd only end up with a handful of custom bullets, if even that.
MTG: Why is Inu-yasha in UK and AF's fighting scene? ???
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Was being bored and attempted this (http://i38.tinypic.com/b3tq1c.png)
Hello Purvis boss custom bullets.
(http://i34.tinypic.com/bgeg4l.png)
I am Hina's supplier =]
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I am Hina's supplier =]
I love those doujins <3
So which Death fairy should I use? I want to know which one is better before I start adding the details
Use the second one. Fancier wings=moar power
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I think I'll work on the Death Fairy sprites now. The difficult part is the shape of the wing. I have 2 shapes now. Which shape of these 2 is better?
I like them both just fine, but partial to the second.
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Pointier wings with lots of random curves are better. Bottom of the first one, top of the second.
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Like this?
(http://i38.tinypic.com/hv6xs7.png)
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yup
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Guess who~?
(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7554/78302307.jpg)
Inuyasha.
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A little late there, Letty.
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A little late there, Letty.
I have most everyone on ignore.
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I have most everyone on ignore.
i like this post.
i like this post a lot.
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/ignore Slaves
Purvis needles need to be multiple flavored.
strawberry antibiotics for Ruro
raspberry cough syrup for Helepolis
etc.
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DO NOT USE THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN. YOU BASTARD.
I just lost my post due to Chromefail, so I'll be posting my ideas tommorow.
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Thank you for the notice, Master Drake. I will be off in repentance afterwards.
Anyways, like I said, my ideas will be up tomorrow.
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DO NOT USE THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN. YOU BASTARD.
I just lost my post due to Chromefail, so I'll be posting my ideas tommorow.
YOU ALMOST USED THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN PROFESSOR!
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SIR FLASHTIRADE!
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That hurts Letty. That really hurts. :(
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Like this?
(http://i38.tinypic.com/hv6xs7.png)
If you could make the wings look like these wings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVKrwEsU4rw&fmt=18#t=24m12s), it would be amazing. :P
Ignore the gameplay however. The person playing has no idea what he's doing. xD
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jesus fuck that would be great
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It's almost painful to watch that video past the wing animation though. The guy behind the controller is 100% clueless. It's just the best quality I could find on short notice xD
lol use all my bullet energy for laserz
oh noes i'm outta energy must suicide
yay more bullet energy hurr
No kidding. I don't think he ever noticed that using the charge laser actually heals the boss in the final phase...
Another edit: When all else fails, turn to nico. (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7997120) Looks like the guy was playing in Kakusei Overheat mode the whole time. Impressive. (Wings@3:32)
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Well here is the deal regarding the border. It will spin so fast it is hard to read anyway :V neverless people will pause or view the images to see what is written on them ( even I did for the official games ).
Pew Pew Pew, Border of Idiocy, Border of Stupidity
Though stupid and idiot have different meaning. Like in dutch you have "stommerd" and "idioot". Pew pew pew is not going to do I think. Border of idiocy would be a good idea and someone mentioned a ⑨ in the center. Perhaps I can make a very vague and opaque ⑨ around the boss which has the same reddish aura seen in UFO.
Regarding the bullets. So it has become pretty "official" that we are generally going to stick with the shotsheet Drake posted. But if anybody insists on having ZUNtype bullet, we can discuss it and see if we will simply use those aswell.
Just for the non-danmakufu knowers. There is no such thing as standard bulletsheet for the entire game. Basically for each spellcard you can load up different bullet sheets. So it is quite flexible in use.
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Purvis~
convo>>>?!
"Let's play Doctor and Patients~ ok? So where is that bulge you say is hurting, let Doctor have a look... a long naughty look..."
I bet UK is excited after reading this~
[nsfw]http://h.imagehost.org/view/0416/5w[/nsfw]
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here is Zengar.
"What did you just say about my mother Purvis? I dare you to say that again!! I DOUBLE DARE YOU!!"
(http://h.imagehost.org/t/0955/4w.jpg) (http://h.imagehost.org/view/0955/4w)
(http://a.imagehost.org/0551/4wa.jpg) (http://a.imagehost.org/view/0551/4wa)
Both of these are drawn a week ago, and scanned recently, cleaned today~
Enjoy!!
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pics
We should come up with an image that is posted when A-F posts pictures. I mean, It is hard to constantly express how superb his pictures are. My energy ! It is becoming low.
"Let's play Doctor and Patients~ ok? So where is that bulge you say is hurting, let Doctor have a look... a long naughty look..."
After Ijiyatsu, A-F writes R18 fanfic.
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nyaaa....
*blush*
Zengar tatooed her own name to her arm, how vain...
sort of.
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After Ijiyatsu, A-F writes R18 fanfic.
Writes? Why not make doujin mangas? :V
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>> Implying I didn't write R-18 stories before
/scoff
oh by the way, was it you Nwbi who first designed Zengar?
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oh by the way, was it you Nwbi who first designed Zengar?
Err, all designs made by Slaves.
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So this is the fabled NITORI AND THE CHAIR I've heard so much about.
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Oh okay, cause I only have your copy of Zengar.
which is good, because I love the sword you got for him.
So this is the fabled NITORI AND THE CHAIR I've heard so much about.
don't read it if you are squeamish
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So this is the fabled NITORI AND THE CHAIR I've heard so much about.
How the heck did you missed it? I'm younger than you here, by the way. :V
Oh okay, cause I only have your copy of Zengar.
which is good, because I love the sword you got for him.
Check the Info Thread; almost everything is there. Keep in mind that the sword *can* change shape and size. Which, of course, I'm going to utilize in the future.
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How the heck did you missed it? I'm younger than you here, by the way. :V
Me no payie a tenshi. :3
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HahahaHAHAHAHA
FUCK YES A-F
Zengar tatooed her own name to her arm, how vain...
This takes the cake.
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More awesome is imminent.
...I'm pretty much at my limit (of Jealousy) now. Arh.
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(http://i33.tinypic.com/260zfpw.png)
Those are not R-18, those are more like R-18g >.< my eyes, my poor eyes.
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That hurts Letty. That really hurts. :(
lol there is no ignore option
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So this is the fabled NITORI AND THE CHAIR I've heard so much about.
THIS CHAIR THIS CHAIR THIS CHAIR etc...
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>> Implying I didn't write R-18 stories before
Warning the links below are all NSFW stories.
*at work*
FFFFFFFF--
lol there is no ignore option
Coulda fooled me. :( :(
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THIS CHAIR THIS CHAIR THIS CHAIR etc...
I am sorry I started spamming that. But yeah, you know you've got something completely fscked up when you put the protagonist into a situation which can only be resolved by slicing her to bits (even if she does get better)
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pics
Hmm. A part of me wants to say I like the Zengar one better, solely on the grounds that she isn't wearing a bikini and, consequently, doesn't look like she's trying to prove something. Putting her name on her arm does look badass, though. "I'm ZENGAR, mazafaka, and don't you forget it!"
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Ooh... Whilst Purvis is pretty hot, I do have to say I prefer Zengar. She's just so badass~ And the tattoo was a nice touch~
Also swordswomen are hot and I'm weak.
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"What did you just say about my mother Purvis? I dare you to say that again!! I DOUBLE DARE YOU!!"
I SAID YOUR MOTHER HAS ASS CANCER AND IT'S NAMED ZENGAR.
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I SAID YOUR MOTHER HAS ASS CANCER AND IT'S NAMED ZENGAR.
Fuck you I'm changing hospitals ;_;
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Zengar is just great.
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Yeh, I think Zengar pretty much wins :P
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Fuck you I'm changing hospitals ;_;
HAVE FUN WITH YOUR UNTREATED ASS CANCER THEN.
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Zengar B alpha (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3577.msg160912#msg160912) is ready for testing, if any of you want to give it a go. Feedback would be awesome.
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If I had Danmakufu I would test this so hard~ Also Zengar was drawn quite well.
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If I had Danmakufu I would test this so hard~
If I had Danmakufu
Danmakufu
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=18.0
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Zengar B alpha (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3577.msg160912#msg160912) is ready for testing, if any of you want to give it a go. Feedback would be awesome.
Oh yes getting.
Due to personal conditions, expect my review or something tomorrow, Tho. :V
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The Zengar I gave you had a little error on the left turn animation, I fixed it here (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?z1zyt2r2edm). You can't see it because the orbs fly over the part I made the error on.
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It'll be fixed for the beta, where I'll have the power system working, among other things.
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Is it possible to request someone to make a Donut "you lost me" pic? I think a picture of an oblivious Donut would save me a lot of time. :V
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Is it possible to request someone to make a Donut "you lost me" pic? I think a picture of an oblivious Donut would save me a lot of time. :V
Sure I guess, after I finish my work. Or Slaves can do it, whomever is faster. :V
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Is it possible to request someone to make a Donut "you lost me" pic? I think a picture of an oblivious Donut would save me a lot of time. :V
This would be the most abused picture of all time :V
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This would be the most abused picture of all time :V
Even more so than ColonVee? :V
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Who knows :V
It could be
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:V ----------
Gobble gobble gobble
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:V ----------
Gobble gobble gobble
UR DOIN IT RONG
It's Wakka Wakka Wakka Wakka
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Not to mention, it's more like:
:V ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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ObVEEusly! :V
/me was banned for this post
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:V ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Not if you only ever played the Atari 2600 version!
orz
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It just occurred to me how... unhealthy that Pacman looks. Zombie-like, even.
:V
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Yellowing skin is a very bad medical sign.
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*insert highly contrived origin theory involving this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1hx40IUnqs#t=2m36s) and this (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/touhou/images/thumb/4/46/ReimuMOD.png/200px-ReimuMOD.png)*
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I think I found a bug with Zengar, after playing for a few minutes the orbs that shoot the stars disappear and it's basically playing with 0.00. Then a minute later Zengar can't shoot swords, so I was stuck with bombs only. I found this while playing the Ronald game.
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Probably has something to do with the common data name I'm saving (though the swords should still keep shooting...). There is a bug on the SA phantasm stage too, where more and more options keep getting spawned on top of your current options, making you shoot crazy amounts of stars at unreal dps, mowing down the boss. Again, this has to do with common data.
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(http://h.imagehost.org/t/0219/3_18.jpg) (http://h.imagehost.org/view/0219/3_18)
have an improved Ruro.
(notable reduction of formerly bulged cranium, and refined lines, now comes with 20% better scan pixels)
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Have a Death Fairy
(http://i35.tinypic.com/nps9qe.png)
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Sweetness...
That is cuter than the ones we see in the official games.
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Improved Ruro! Yay~ \o/ I want that strawberry.
That Death Fairy is very pretty. I think the edges of the dress sorta fade into the wings though, is there any way to make it stand out a little bit more from the wings?
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Realize that that isn't the color scheme of the main strong fairies :V
Main one is the white-orange-green one, make sure that one's done too. Very nice anyways.
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Realize that that isn't the color scheme of the main strong fairies :V
Main one is the white-orange-green one, make sure that one's done too. Very nice anyways.
When I checked the enemy sprites from UFO, I saw 3 Death Fairies. A warm-colored fairy(the one you mentioned), the cool-colored fairy(the one I made), and the Makai fairy. The cool-colored one was the first one I saw so I made that one first, I can just change the color of it like I did with the other fairies.
I think the edges of the dress sorta fade into the wings though, is there any way to make it stand out a little bit more from the wings?
I tried making the dress have less brightness or something
(http://i37.tinypic.com/n1vsyb.png)
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Ruro is saying "I made you a strawberry ... but I eated it."
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I can't really tell the difference in being distinct from the wings, but the less bright one looks a little bit better anyway.
It'll probably be fine once its animated and the wings are actually moving compared to the dress though. Good work~!
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I guess I should use common data-related scripts to test the other shot types :V
I guess it was a mess related to how the MarisaA type is also supposed to obtain more options as you obtain power items (Or something).
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That was exactly the problem. For one reason or another the common data giving Marisa power moved over to Zengar, and for some reason there's no limit right now (although looking at the code it looks like it does) so the more power you get during the stage the more insanely fast you can mow down Mitori. All of her spells but the timeouts didn't even survive an entire wave. Her last spell took 12 seconds.
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WHO WILL A-F DRAWN NEXT?
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This is what I got for the Death Fairy animation
(http://i38.tinypic.com/10f7udf.gif)
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This is what I got for the Death Fairy animation
(http://i38.tinypic.com/10f7udf.gif)
Wait I...is it wielding a giant flower?
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Nice going there. Considerting that fairies barely get any animation at all, this is a delicious extra~
Wait I...is it wielding a giant flower?
That's a normal for bigger fairies, I think. At least the UFO ones do so.
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Well then. I have just arrived from my now-completed penance for cursing out the Lord, which was a small matter of committing seppuku with the flat end of a toy hammer, and am now finally ready to once again present my ideas up for judgment. I even colored it in for you
illiterate morons so that deciphering it would be a little easier.
Note that there is a little disclaimer at the bottom. If you have the patience, go ahead and read it.
Before I start, I would like to present to you the world premiere of
Flashtirade's Crappy Artist's Conception Convention (http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8470/danmakufuconvention.jpg)! Within the convention will be various pieces of my designs that I felt needed to be broken down and/or demonstrated. I will be linking Convention often, so be sure to check it out!
Alright, here we go.
Disclaimer: Any images or explanations within this post and others of mine that are of a similar nature are generally not to be taken at face value. They are simply a visual representation of spell cards that I have come up with, and they are by all means meant to be left to interpretation and/or change by those actually programming the game. If you feel something should be changed or deleted, or if you just want to make a comment; go ahead, I don't really care.
Spell Card Number 1
I designed this for whoever had the snake-thing as part of their design. I no longer know who that is (since you changed your pic), but I suspect that it is Nobu.
I was thinking that there should be something like this (http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/3621/danmakufuspinzaku1.jpg) in at least one of your spells, since you do have a snake.... It would start with the caster (you) picking a spot somewhere between the middle or the upper-middle and staying there for the entire spell card. Suddenly, a large snake-like figure made of danmaku slowly swirls out from your person (not literally) in a wide radius, shooting slow-moving danmaku in a certain pattern (see Exhibit 1) (http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8470/danmakufuconvention.jpg). It would continue its outward spiral around the caster until a designated endpoint (called X and placed right under the caster for demonstration purposes). It would then switch over to the next part of the spell card.
This (http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5099/danmakufuspinzaku2.jpg) is basically a reversal of the first part. It heads from X back to the caster in a spiral. There are two things to note, though. One, whatever direction the spiral went in for the first part must be the same for the second (i.e. clockwise - clockwise, counterclockwise - counterclockwise). Second, four mounts appear around the caster and will orbit around her while releasing rings of fast-moving danmaku. These mounts will not disappear when the spell loops back around to the first part (which it will, fyi). The basic concept is to crowd the screen with a wall of slow danmaku while fast ones whiz by and catch players (targets) by surprise.
After a certain requirement is met (time out, defeat, idk), the spell card will switch to this part (http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5032/danmakufurun.jpg). The same snake-thing from earlier (see Exhibit 1 again) (http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8470/danmakufuconvention.jpg) would wriggle/fly/somehow move across the screen while releasing bullets in the same pattern as before. I broke up it's movement path into 4 parts so that it can be viewed correctly. However, the caster will be taking a similar but not the same path while shooting rings of danmaku, as the moving shot-mounts did before. [I also thought of letting her shoot tracking shots or something, but not before I scanned the picture.] The thought process behind letting the caster take a nearly identical path was to make it look as if she were riding the snake-thing as it proceeded across the screen.
Spell Card Number 2
Inspired by Bubble Beam
Before I begin, let me explain the concept of something I call "sway". Obviously, the idea is not original: a mount rotates in one direction while shooting, then it rotates the other way while shooting, then it repeats.
That's it. However, I tried to give them specific (easy) angle measures so that it would look more uniform. There are demonstrations of various angles in Exhibits 3 and 4 (http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8470/danmakufuconvention.jpg) at the Convention.
Now (http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2538/danmakufububble1.jpg), the caster aligns herself at the center of the screen and remains unmoving for the entire card, but she may reposition herself after a cast. She is constantly (and for the entire card, even while repositioning) releasing tiny danmaku in 12 "+/- 90-sway" directions. A demonstration of the resulting pattern of only 4 perpendicular "+/- 90-sway" mounts is Exhibit 2 (http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8470/danmakufuconvention.jpg) at the Convention. Now take 3 of Exhibit 2 and overlap them so they're all evenly spaced to start off with, and you get the idea. While this is going on, the caster emits a small ring (big enough to enclose her) of large shots. There must be a bunch of them, I'd guess at least 100 (All images of this are based off of 100). The ring does not move forward; rather, it stays still until the next part is triggered.
When fully realized, it will look something like this picture (http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6897/danmakufububble2.jpg). Basically, the ring expanded in three speeds: fast, average and slow (the slower ones are closer, the faster are farther). Based off of 100, there are 20 fast, 30 average, and 50 slow. The caster is still spewing out little danmaku in the pattern mentioned before. The screen does not reset as the spell card begins to repeat (shortly after the explosion), and all shots on the screen are still there when the card cycles again.
Spell Card Number 3
Also inspired by Bubble Beam
The caster flies in (http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4637/danmakufuspreadcannon1.jpg) from X to Y, letting off a cascade of shots (hence the name) in all directions. They are pulled down, resulting in a drooping look. The caster herself is also releasing waves of danmaku. Those falling shots become important in the next part.
The next part (http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6325/danmakufuspreadcannon2.jpg). All the falling shots explode, with random bursts of danmaku flying everywhere. The caster is surrounded by some (in this case 6) large danmaku, which swirl towards her while releasing little rounds. They vanish when they reach the caster, and this signals in the final part.
It's going to take a little explaining to break down this image (http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/3695/danmakufuspreadcannon3.jpg) into something understandable (Yes, I know the target isn't in the same position as before). Okay, using a central axis aimed towards the target, pairs of "+/- 45-sway," "+/- 60-sway," and "+/- 90-sway" mounts are placed on the caster. There are diagrams available at the top of the page and at the Convention (see Exhibit 6) (http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8470/danmakufuconvention.jpg). To cover the backside, the caster constantly releases dense waves of danmaku. In the midst of all this, the caster fires a burst (I chose five for now) of special mounts which send torrents of large shots and shotting laser. They (the middle one, and the others are evenly spaced around it) travel quickly along the central axis directed at the target as almost-tracking rounds because the central axis adjusts to the target's movement. Their back-end lasers do indeed go straight through the caster but deal no damage, and the rounds make it off-screen rather quickly (at most 2 seconds or something). When they do so, their lasers stop firing. However, this is made up by the fact that the caster fires a succession of them every second or so (20 is an arbitrary number). There is a general explanation present at the bottom corner of the picture, and there is a demonstration of a single special round as Exhibit 5 (http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8470/danmakufuconvention.jpg) at the Convention, as well as a picture of one round coupled with the caster arrangement as Exhibit 6 (http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8470/danmakufuconvention.jpg). The entire spell cycles back to the beginning, and continues until defeat or time-out.
Now, if you will excuse me, I will be off trying ODST (without Live). Thank you for your patience.
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I was looking at the UFO fairies when I made this one.
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Flash, these are some sweet and intricate diagrams you made. Awesome, mad props.
Also, it is indeed me with the snake, but I'm probably not going to have any solo spellcards, since the one spellcard i'll have is probably paired with Mode. Unless something changes to where i'd get a spellcard (tag in during the Theo-nee fight?), that idea is probably better served for another (or as my last word).
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not going to have any solo spellcards, since the one spellcard i'll have is probably paired with Mode
Oh. That's gonna be a bit more difficult, since I don't know which Mode to use.
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well, you can still have the snake in there, you can shoot it at Mode or something.
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Here's the result of me trying to do Flashtirade's Exhibit 2
(http://i36.tinypic.com/20pzna1.png)
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Here's the result of me trying to do Flashtirade's Exhibit 2
(http://i36.tinypic.com/20pzna1.png)
Keikaku d(ry
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I kept misreading the 2nd Spell Card patterns. So I got 12 "+/-60" overlapping 4 "+/-90", and 12 "+/-90" overlapping 3 "+/-60"
(http://i33.tinypic.com/2ai1m2q.png)(http://i33.tinypic.com/33x8svk.png)
I still don't fully understand the 3rd paragraph of the 2nd Spell Card
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I hope that this picture (http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4489/danmakufuspeeddifferent.jpg) will help to clarify things.
Basically, the green ones move the slowest of the three types. The pink-purple ones go a bit faster, and the light yellow ones go the fastest of the three types. Be aware that those in the same type don't necessarily go at the same speed: the ones in green generally go slower than the pink-purple, and those in yellow generally go faster than the pink-purple (I don't know if this is possible) The picture for it is what it looks like when all of them have managed to cover the entire screen.
If it doesn't work like that, then you don't have to try and force it. And I do understand that my writing may be a little bit crammed.
Lastly, if you would be willing to try them, I had designed bunches of other spell cards, too. I got a lot of comments on Zengar's, if I remember correctly.
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So bullets are slow when shot and accelerate when they spread? Or are some bullets shot slow and others fast? Sorry for not understanding this quickly.
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So bullets are slow when shot and accelerate when they spread? Or are some bullets shot slow and others fast? Sorry for not understanding this quickly.
That's okay. I was having trouble when I was thinking of a good way to explain it anyways. But yes, it's exactly like you said.
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Exactly like the first method I mentioned or the second?
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The first, I mean. PSP txting sucks
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Ok, got it. I was starting to annoy myself asking so many questions
EDIT: Some parts of the description are still confusing and I had to kind of mix the things he mentioned a little bit. I made a ring on the caster. I made 6 "+/-90" slow large bullets, 12 "+/-60" average-speed normal bullets, and 12 "+/-60" fast tiny bullets. When I stacked 12 'sways', the pattern stopped looking like a sway and more like a spiral. I also tried staking less sways so it keeps it sway pattern
(http://i38.tinypic.com/2zhiqfb.png)(http://i38.tinypic.com/30volrb.png)
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preview first, too tired to finish up the shading bit.
here is Slaves, and yes, my first loli, hence explains the tiredness.
the struggle was hard.
[nsfw]http://a.imagehost.org/0055/slia.jpg[/nsfw]
AND NO SHE IS NOT GIVING A FOOTJOB
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SLAVES CONFIRMED FOR TOUHOU SOCKS BOOK 3!
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Oh god, why do I keep messing up the eyes and eyebrows?!
and the hat meows... damn.
edit: oops, thanks Letty, I forgot the cameltoe was there...
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edit: oops, thanks Letty, I forgot the cameltoe was there...
No problem.
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Slaves' hat is much wider than that, actually. At this size, it appears more to be Drake's.
Nevertheless, Good Job on drawing a loli.
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Alright then. I wasn't sure what it would look like when it was completely finished, so good work on your part.
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SLAVES CONFIRMED FOR TOUHOU SOCKS BOOK 3!
I thought the exact same thing :V
Dammit A-F, I love you <3
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D'awww, Slaves is adorable~
See, all that stuff about "Reverse ZUN Disease" was just crazy talk~
Also kneesocks yay~
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I think the most important detail of AF's picture is that the hat meows. Unless I somehow missed it beforehand, this is now canon.
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loli
oh wow, good job. 8)
although i'd like to point out that my socks are not actually socks, it's actually a jumpsuit that i wear under my dress-thing.
I think the most important detail of AF's picture is that the hat meows. Unless I somehow missed it beforehand, this is now canon.
well, Slabeshat is based on fanon Suwako's hat, so of course it can talk.
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Here's my try at swimsuit Ijiyatsu. While I was drawing I thought "Should we add a swimsuit mode for anyone crazy enough to capture every Spell Card on every difficulty?"
(http://i38.tinypic.com/2viidma.jpg)
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preview first, too tired to finish up the shading bit.
here is Slaves, and yes, my first loli, hence explains the tiredness.
the struggle was hard.
[nsfw]http://a.imagehost.org/0055/slia.jpg[/nsfw]
AND NO SHE IS NOT GIVING A FOOTJOB
OMG! Slaves is like...super huggable and adorable!
I kinda wanna take her home...
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AF: Not only can you draw lolis, but you can draw great lolis.
And this new trait of the Slaves hat had better be canon. If we don't get at least one meow during Extra dialogue pencils will be thrown.
although i'd like to point out that my socks are not actually socks, it's actually a jumpsuit that i wear under my dress-thing.
Slaves, 1. Pesco, 0.
Meanwhile, nice swimsuit pic from Skye, though in retrospect getting the bikini top around the wings has to be a problem...
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though in retrospect getting the bikini top around the wings has to be a problem...
If you think that putting a swimsuit top is difficult with wing, what about a shirt? There are many winged characters and they never point out how they put on a shirt
Touché.
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Please draw more lolis, A-F <3
preferably nobu
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Skye, so you mean to tell me you tear out feathers for danmaku? That must hurt. ;_; And I suppose you'd run out after a while..
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The feathers come from the same place as everyone else's bullets, MAGIC
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The feathers come from the same place as everyone else's bullets, MAGIC
Magic, is there anything it CAN'T do?
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Suigintou never runs out of feathers.
dammit nobu argh;
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Skye constantly Molts and regrows feathers at abnormal speeds.
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preview first, too tired to finish up the shading bit.
here is Slaves, and yes, my first loli, hence explains the tiredness.
the struggle was hard.
[nsfw]http://a.imagehost.org/0055/slia.jpg[/nsfw]
AND NO SHE IS NOT GIVING A FOOTJOB
Can you draw a Matsuri loli? Please? <3
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Can you draw a Matsuri loli? Please? <3
sure.
soon as I finish Okuu.
Please draw more lolis, A-F <3
preferably nobu
your swimsuit incarnation shall be loli?
AF: Not only can you draw lolis, but you can draw great lolis.
And this new trait of the Slaves hat had better be canon. If we don't get at least one meow during Extra dialogue pencils will be thrown.
Slaves, 1. Pesco, 0.
sweet, thanks.D'awww, Slaves is adorable~
See, all that stuff about "Reverse ZUN Disease" was just crazy talk~
Also kneesocks yay~
actually it is real, I don't draw loli tits because it always ends up looking like a male body, this one took about 7 hours to fix. the original before cleaning had enough eraser marks for the proof if I scan this at 600dpi.
oh wow, good job. 8)
although i'd like to point out that my socks are not actually socks, it's actually a jumpsuit that i wear under my dress-thing.
well, Slabeshat is based on fanon Suwako's hat, so of course it can talk.
shall I leave the kneesocks like so, or employ the connection between this and your shimapan?
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sure.
soon as I finish Okuu.
Tell me more. I am curious. :x
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Someone requested that I do Okuu at ClubBleach forums, rather the admin did, so yeah.
or I get banned lol.
will give preview when ready, this third arm of hers is special.
meanwhile, a finished Slaves.
full size
[nsfw]http://h.imagehost.org/view/0599/sli[/nsfw]
preview
[nsfw]http://i.imagehost.org/0418/slia.jpg[/nsfw]
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Ah. Well, then. Sounds interesting.
That, and Slaves looks simply adorable.
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shall I leave the kneesocks like so, or employ the connection between this and your shimapan?
naw, leave it as is.
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your swimsuit incarnation shall be loli?
Nah, but I do want a pic of me wearing some of those socks >:3
will give preview when ready, this third arm of hers is special.
YES.
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Pantslaves.
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This thread is the thing that makes me Parseevibe to the heavens with the power of a thousand raging exploding suns.
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This thread is the thing that makes me Parseevibe to the heavens with the power of a thousand raging exploding suns.
So your Parseevibe is a drill?
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So your Parseevibe is a drill?
It is when I see a thread like this.
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ahhh.... so many appreciations, me will red up like said exploding sun.
/me reddens up
to be honest tho... I seem to have set myself up a signboard that says 'free kiriban'
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kiriban?
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kiriban?
A prize or something when a specific amount of hits for a website or some such is attained. It is given to the person who made that nth hit. Somewhat similar to a "n GET!"
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A prize or something when a specific amount of hits for a website or some such is attained. It is given to the person who made that nth hit. Somewhat similar to a "n GET!"
So, if that's a kiriban...
What's a sokoban?
[/jk]
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I hope no one minds if I try to come up with something more relevant for GpopA. The current description is just a placeholder, right?
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Pretty much. The description I laid out kind of sucked anyways and would be stupid to program.
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Well, anyway, got the shot details.
Front-and-lock formation, taking the unfocus-delay from MarisaC in MoF and full vertical coverage from Remilia in IN. Nobu and Sodium said it should be okay if it's nerfed slightly.
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The question is how easy it'd be to program, so i'd like to hear the programmer's thoughts on what they think of implementing this kind of shot type.
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That doesn't sound too hard to make. People have already made tons of player scripts with options that stay in place when focused, and mimicing Marisa C delay shouldn't be too difficult to figure out.
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It's doable. Got any concept drawings or anything else other than the option behavior?
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What do you mean by 'anything else?' Bomb, maybe?
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What do you mean by 'anything else?' Bomb, maybe?
We already have the bomb planned or at least the basic concept I think (Subterranean Rose)
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Those are just placeholder names, and Subterranean Rose wouldn't really fit...
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Those are just placeholder names, and Subterranean Rose wouldn't really fit...
I dunno I kinda made some drawing on it before (http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u323/Gpop92/1016091856.jpg)
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Fuzzy :/
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http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7563/conceptc.jpg
Oh dear god. Uh, that's concept sheet v.01.
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MSPaint drawings of bullet patterns, bomb concepts and ideas (anything is possible at this point), any special abilities or traits you may want the player to have.
For example, I had an idea for one of the Zengar player characters: If an enemy gets too close, Zenger will use his sword to deal extra melee damage to the enemy (like shotgun bonus damage or something). Of course there would be a neat animation or something to go with it. Just an idea.
Another example:
(http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/Nautth/awesomeshots.jpg)
Like Kanako's sketch. I was kinda hoping for something more batshit though, instead of boring old basic forward shots :(
Anything can be put on the table.
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Well the only way a front-and-lock would really work is if the shots went straight forward. :V You probably wouldn't want to have to guess the trajectory of the bullets in the small amount of time that you get to place them in front of a boss or whatever.
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Well the only way a front-and-lock would really work is if the shots went straight forward. :V You probably wouldn't want to have to guess the trajectory of the bullets in the small amount of time that you get to place them in front of a boss or whatever.
You could use that movement for a homing type maybe :V
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(http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/Nautth/awesomeshots.jpg)
That is the best concept art ever.
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[23:22] <Drake> I dunno about the trajectory of KanaPop
[23:22] <&Naut> That is letter A?
[23:22] <Drake> maybe they could work like waving spotlights
[23:22] <Drake> yeah
[23:22] <&Naut> The options, you mean.
[23:22] <Drake> the shots fire in slowly waving random directions
[23:23] <Drake> like spotlights
[23:23] <&Naut> Hmm
[23:23] <&Naut> Doable
[23:23] <Drake> i'll maek pictar
[23:23] <Drake> wait no
[23:23] <&Naut> I know what you mean now
[23:24] <Drake> that way they would go kind of forwards yet still random
[23:24] <&Naut> And less boring
[23:24] <&Naut> Sounds good
[23:25] <Drake> they kind of sound like the shots fired would look similar to yukari's thing
[23:25] <Drake> the weird needles
[23:25] <&Naut> Hmhm
[23:27] <&Naut> Your copy paste of irc makes it sound like we're talking about the options instead of the shot's they fire
[23:27] <&Naut> Sort of maybe
[23:27] <&Naut> I'm an idiot
[23:28] <Drake> i could just post the entire damn thing
[23:28] <&Naut> You could, yes
[23:28] <Drake> k
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Linking this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=22.msg164000#msg164000) here because of awesome.
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The fastest way to our hearts is through our Ijiyatsu characters. :V
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Now only if I had one *wink wink nudge nudge* just kidding, either way cursive shot type owns so hard~
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Well, I've submitted an Ijiyatsu profile to the Google Docs thing.
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Linking this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=22.msg164000#msg164000) here because of awesome.
well golly gee
there's like 4 resident artist++s now :I
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well golly gee
there's like 4 resident artist++s now :I
When formless god finishes rin (s)he should definitely be an artist++
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well golly gee
there's like 4 resident artist++s now :I
Still calling for an epic art duel between them all.
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Still calling for an epic art duel between them all.
i win because i was first >:(
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I am up, but I will probably lose because I can't comic for shit.
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Make a collab piece :D
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Make a collab piece :D
And how exactly are we going to do that?
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draw->scan
print->draw->scan
print->draw->scan
print->draw->scan->post
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Wont work too well if someone has a crappy printer
Aren't there like paintchat programs or something that let you share a canvas? (although then you guys can use traditional media)
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Slabes, you'll always be the first RA++, and no one can take that away from you. :3
Embodiments: 20
N-Forza
Flashtirade
Xan
MTG
Kuma
Dragoshi
Sanasanasan
Ana-chan
Vladimir
Cadmas
Pako
Rikter
Sapz
Matsuri
P♂zeal
Prody
Muffin
Drake
Doomsday
Skye
Something we should probably discuss sooner or later: Do we want to keep Pozeal as an embodiment or boot him for someone that's been around/more involved with the project? (Last I checked, he hasn't been active for over a month)
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I saw him lurking around Rika's Garage. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1147) :V
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I think I haven't seen him since the dating challenge
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Is there any way I can help with this project?
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We probably need people who can work on Danmakufu. We are using Slaves' art for character portraits, we have the bullet sprites and I finished Zengar's and common fairy sprites, halfway done with the Death Fairy and remaking GPop for a third time. I'll most likely do Rou's sprite too. Maybe creating the background for stages and menu?
EDIT: This is what I got so far for Gpop's sprites. I really don't like how it's turning out and it's giving me a harder time than Zengar's sprites. I'll try to improve it a bit more.
(http://i36.tinypic.com/20033o7.gif)
(http://i38.tinypic.com/2m5ceu9.gif)
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Me, Erebus and Slowpoke need sprites too, or are those going to be done by Slaves?
Also, my swimsuit pic must include me posing with my car, like those old calendar pictures (except less slutty plz)
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Skye, you don't like how it's turning out? But they look awesome!
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Skye, you don't like how it's turning out? But they look awesome!
Agreed. That's a pretty good design ^_^
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And how exactly are we going to do that?
draw> scan at 400dpi > send PSD > combine x 4
collabz/
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(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/Cadmas/cover2.png)
Credit to Formless God for the line work.
Photoshop file
http://www.filefront.com/14933619/cover.psd
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Oh wow, that looks pretty ZUN style. (heh, it is btw Copyright (c) ). Though I wonder if we are allowed to write copyright as we are using somewhat ZUN material you know. How do other people look at this?
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I don't even know if you can call it a real copyright.
But yeah I'll fix that. Fixed.
I put it mainly to balance the two text lines.
Personally I don't like the (C) thing.
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Thank you for including the psd~
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Hooray! \o/ I feel like I did something, if only by suggesting that. Awesome work.
Is it just me, or does the silhouette almost make you think "Reimu" at first?
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It's probably because of the ribbon. The only difference is the little bonbon things at the end of Rin's ribbon. :P
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Skye, you don't like how it's turning out? But they look awesome!
It's actually the turning animation that I don't like, but looking at UFO and SA the turning animation isn't that good mainly because it's hard to animate in 4 frames. Sanae's skirt doesn't even move in her turning animation.
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(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/Cadmas/cover2.png)
Credit to Formless God for the line work.
Photoshop file
http://www.filefront.com/14933619/cover.psd
oo, pretty
but we don't want to use that for the real cover, since the final boss isn't Rin.
or maybe we could have it be like PCB and have TSO's silhouette be the cover?
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oo, pretty
but we don't want to use that for the real cover, since the final boss isn't Rin.
or maybe we could have it be like PCB and have TSO's silhouette be the cover?
Well, seeing how my design was kind of based on Rin's...
Hmmm... Although the TSO silhouette thing sounds like a good idea too...
Anyway, on an unrelated note, I am a horrible monster~
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2md5owk.jpg)
REMEMBER IT EASY~!
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oo, pretty
but we don't want to use that for the real cover, since the final boss isn't Rin.
or maybe we could have it be like PCB and have TSO's silhouette be the cover?
I think Rin would be the most fitting for the silhouette though honestly. Rin is the big 'surprise' of the game, and is the important figure to the whole scenario. Plus, the silhouette adds the nice flavor of Rin's half-existence (also fits since we're going to be using a Rin silhouette for the final survival spell ala Resurrection Butterfly). That, and Rin's silhouette bearing a slight resemblance to Reimu is a nice allusion to this being a Touhou game but not. Plus, Rin's status of the 'black sheep' of Touhou kinda fits well as a common symbol for Ijiyatsu.
TSO is technically the ultimate mastermind of the game, I know, but those reasons above are why I think Rin is more suited to this. Maybe TSO's silhouette can go on the back cover or something? Hehe.
But i'm loving this cover mockup. Does anyone else get a strong PoFV/UFO feel from this? I wonder if something a little more dark and less pastel-ly would be more suited, maybe something closer to autumn colors to go with Rin's color scheme?
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If you guys want another one with tso I'm going to need an outline about the same size.
But I'll guarantee it will look nothing like that one. I'll need to get some more textures and Japanese fonts.
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It's fine for now because it's neat seeing what the Ijiyatsu cover would look like if it were actually a Touhou game, but when it comes time for the actual game demo/full version we're going to want to find a replacement for '東方'. Just to avoid all the potential legal/other complications and "STOP HELEPOLIS" that may arise from it.
For now, i've been playing around by trying different replacements for the 東 to go with the __hou convention. Unfortunately 'Seihou' is already taken, so it'd have to be something else. I was thinking something that captured the fact that the creators come from all parts of the world, not just the east or west or one direction.
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I was thinking something that captured the fact that the creators come from all parts of the world, not just the east or west or one direction.
EVERYTHINGHOU
:V
But seriously this would be pretty idiot (And fitting for that matter)
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For now, i've been playing around by trying different replacements for the 東 to go with the __hou convention. Unfortunately 'Seihou' is already taken, so it'd have to be something else. I was thinking something that captured the fact that the creators come from all parts of the world, not just the east or west or one direction.
When I read this, "Pangaea" sprang into my head. "Pan" is a Greek prefix meaning "all" or "entire", so perhaps there's a character in Japanese that stands for "all"?
Just throwing an idea out there.
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For now, i've been playing around by trying different replacements for the 東 to go with the __hou convention. Unfortunately 'Seihou' is already taken, so it'd have to be something else. I was thinking something that captured the fact that the creators come from all parts of the world, not just the east or west or one direction.
全方 (Zenhou), perhaps?
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皆方 (Kaihou), maybe? 皆 is supposed to mean "all" or "everything", I think. :S
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Zengar: :sword:hou
When I read this, "Pangaea" sprang into my head. "Pan" is a Greek prefix meaning "all" or "entire", so perhaps there's a character in Japanese that stands for "all"?
Just throwing an idea out there.
That's exactly what I was thinking. :3
全方 (Zenhou), perhaps?
With all the random stuff I tried, I don't know how I missed Zenhou. >:| I really like this.
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Hmmm... Zenhou sounds pretty good, I guess... Well, it's got my vote~
Also, I am even more horrible than was first thought:
(http://i35.tinypic.com/nozrdd.jpg)
...Unfortunately, it seems that I can only draw Yukkuris (at least for the time being). Oh well.
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九方 :V
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九方 :V
Don't make me sick my snake on you. >:3
Hmmm... Zenhou sounds pretty good, I guess... Well, it's got my vote~
Also, I am even more horrible than was first thought:
(http://i35.tinypic.com/nozrdd.jpg)
...Unfortunately, it seems that I can only draw Yukkuris (at least for the time being). Oh well.
You could make a living out of drawing Yukkuris though. :3 Imouto Yukkuri?
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You could make a living out of drawing Yukkuris though. :3 Imouto Yukkuri?
Well, they are quick, easy, and best of all fun to draw, so... Maybe.
Let's see if I can knock out a Nobukkuri before I shower, then~
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Fine then.
祭方 :V
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(http://i34.tinypic.com/mlgs9k.jpg)
Nobukkuri looks very happy for some reason~ Personally I think this is the best one so far.
...Hopefully I'll be able to move on from Yukkuris eventually, but they'll do for now~ If anyone else wants a Yukkuri, just ask. I'm... Probably not going to do you otherwise, as I know how... Devisive the little blobby head monsters can be.
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The next step is bodied Yukkuris.
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make a Rurokkuri
make it a bodied yukkuri
hint:it doesn't have to be a regular body >:3
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Also, I am even more horrible than was first thought:
(http://i35.tinypic.com/nozrdd.jpg)
That hat made me think it was me for a sec :V
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That hat made me think it was me for a sec :V
We're HATBROS
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We're HATBROS
So we're Sticky Bros AND HATBROS.
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So we're Sticky Bros AND HATBROS.
Forgot the Sticky part.
FUCK YES
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I'd like a yukkuri if you would, Theorist =]
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I'd like a yukkuri if you would, Theorist =]
Very well, I'll get to work on that right away~
Also, by popular demand on IRC... Donutkkuri~!
(http://i37.tinypic.com/1zp2s6h.jpg)
(My apologies if you didn't want to be Yukkuri-ised, Donut, but they insisted~)
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Nobu brings up a valid Point about the Embodiment List. There are a few people who have Ijiyatsu Concepts who aren't in the game (from what I can see). From what I can gather the list of those people are as follows.
Suikama, E-Mouse, Amaterasu and Arashi.
Perhaps we need to reevaluate this Embodiment Distribution...
Like mow because this is the major gimmick play mechanic thingy of this game.
Something tells me this post won't go over well...
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(http://i34.tinypic.com/2qalbnq.jpg)
That's Purvikkuri, Matsukkuri and Rurokkuri, as requested~
No more for today, though.
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<3~
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I am the best dressed yukkuri~
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(http://i34.tinypic.com/2qalbnq.jpg)
That's Purvikkuri, Matsukkuri and Rurokkuri, as requested~
No more for today, though.
yes
this is better than i expected.
i am going to go draw Rurokkuri now.
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(http://i38.tinypic.com/312vbxj.jpg)
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(http://i38.tinypic.com/312vbxj.jpg)
Oh god. What have I let loose onto this world~?
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Rurokkuri.jpg
OH DEAR GOD
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.....I will never be able to sleep again.
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I just thought of this now, I think it would be nice if we gave at least main characters surnames. For example I thought of giving Zengar a surname with a close meaning to 'Cleaver of Evil'. I couldn't find a Japanese word for cleave so I looked for cut. I don't know how the word would be arranged in Japanese, but searching with online dictionaries, 'Cutter of Evil' can be either Akunokiru or Kirunoaku. But I think someone that actually knows Japanese should make the surnames.
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touch
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I'd be happy to devote my little knowledge of danmakufu towards programming for Ijiyatsu.
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1. Eventually the cover needs to be redone a bit. I do like it being Rin, except usually the silhouette is the cutin used in the game, which means we might need some Rin cutin by Slaves (assuming the final spell will have a shadowed Rin cutin)
2. Jesus fuck why are we already on yukkuri
3. I honestly don't think using 東方 is a problem unless we decide to y'know sell the thing or something. We're already using 東方弾幕風 to code it and there are tons of other fangames prefixed with 東方. 全方 is more or less "all-around", so it could work too if you want to go that direction(pun intended), though.
4. 「我が名はゼンガー！悪を断つ剣なり！！」 (you do know zengar is based on an srw character right)
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(http://i38.tinypic.com/312vbxj.jpg)
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>yes
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I guess we all should just take it easy.
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...I'm going to lead a lot more boxes to fend off the invasion.
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(http://i34.tinypic.com/mlgs9k.jpg)
Onee-chan, that's adorable. :3 Thank you! And oh man, Rurolegs.
3. I honestly don't think using 東方 is a problem unless we decide to y'know sell the thing or something. We're already using 東方弾幕風 to code it and there are tons of other fangames prefixed with 東方. 全方 is more or less "all-around", so it could work too if you want to go that direction(pun intended), though.
By prefixing the game with '東方?, it would imply that the game is directly based on Touhou, or actually uses Touhou characters, which it is neither. Using 'Zenhou' would put us in the same boat as Seihou: the 'related to Touhou but a separate series'.
I just thought of this now, I think it would be nice if we gave at least main characters surnames. For example I thought of giving Zengar a surname with a close meaning to 'Cleaver of Evil'. I couldn't find a Japanese word for cleave so I looked for cut. I don't know how the word would be arranged in Japanese, but searching with online dictionaries, 'Cutter of Evil' can be either Akunokiru or Kirunoaku. But I think someone that actually knows Japanese should make the surnames.
Keep in mind that most of the game (and including the 'surnames' most likely) are going to be in English. We might come up with a Japanese translation down the line, but that something to worry about later.
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Keep in mind that most of the game (and including the 'surnames' most likely) are going to be in English. We might come up with a Japanese translation down the line, but that something to worry about later.
Pfft, They make us have to translate their stuff, we can do the same. >: <
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(http://i38.tinypic.com/312vbxj.jpg)
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9785/earthboundmrsaturnrotat.gif)
HEY BABY DAKOTA!
(And Giygas Disintegrates plays in Winamp)
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Pfft, They make us have to translate their stuff, we can do the same. >: <
I'd rather us be proactive about it than just wait for other people to translate it for us, if we could help it. Besides, this is a pretty open project. If an outside group -did- start translating it on their own, I don't see why we wouldn't touch base with them and help if possible.
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wait what I'm not an embodiment anymore ;_;
well excuse me for programming stuff instead of contributing to the yukkuri swimsuit thing you've got going on here
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Nobu brings up a valid Point about the Embodiment List. There are a few people who have Ijiyatsu Concepts who aren't in the game (from what I can see). From what I can gather the list of those people are as follows.
Suikama, E-Mouse, Amaterasu and Arashi.
Perhaps we need to reevaluate this Embodiment Distribution...
Like mow because this is the major gimmick play mechanic thingy of this game.
Something tells me this post won't go over well...
I feel ignored...
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I'd rather us be proactive about it than just wait for other people to translate it for us, if we could help it. Besides, this is a pretty open project. If an outside group -did- start translating it on their own, I don't see why we wouldn't touch base with them and help if possible.
Well, True. It'd probably end up in wonky grammar mistakes. I was mostly kidding anyway. Are there serious expectations it'll even reach that far, though? Internet or not, Japan is one heck of a player base to expect.
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wait what I'm not an embodiment anymore ;_;
well excuse me for programming stuff instead of contributing to the yukkuri swimsuit thing you've got going on here
More like Suikama forgot to update, or something. :V
But you're clearly here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=22.msg165160#msg165160), though.
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Yeah, that's the original point I was trying to bring up when I posted the current Embodiment list. Though, it lists Drake as an Embodiment (which last I checked, isn't he an Extra stage boss? Maybe he can be Slaves' partner?)
Also, Stage 2, 3, and 4 all have potential spots for midbosses to add more characters. Stage 4's midboss is currently listed as Tenshi for some reason, but in the interest of fitting in more characters that should be in we might want to switch that out for someone else.
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Yeah, that's the original point I was trying to bring up when I posted the current Embodiment list. Though, it lists Drake as an Embodiment (which last I checked, isn't he an Extra stage boss? Maybe he can be Slaves' partner?)
Also, Stage 2, 3, and 4 all have potential spots for midbosses to add more characters. Stage 4's midboss is currently listed as Tenshi for some reason, but in the interest of fitting in more characters that should be in we might want to switch that out for someone else.
Also I think 7HS, Benny1 and Edible could make up the Phantasm Embodiments. Seeing as we need to stick them in it.
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Also I think 7HS, Benny1 and Edible could make up the Phantasm Embodiments. Seeing as we need to stick them in it.
7HS is already in as a weapon wielded by TSO. As for Benny and Edible, I'm really at a loss for where to put them outside of cramming Phantasm with a couple more bosses, but that kinda upsets the balance a bit.
What are your thoughts Drake? I know you had figured out how to distribute the Embodiments, so do you have any ideas?
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Yeah, that's the original point I was trying to bring up when I posted the current Embodiment list. Though, it lists Drake as an Embodiment (which last I checked, isn't he an Extra stage boss? Maybe he can be Slaves' partner?)
Also, Stage 2, 3, and 4 all have potential spots for midbosses to add more characters. Stage 4's midboss is currently listed as Tenshi for some reason, but in the interest of fitting in more characters that should be in we might want to switch that out for someone else.
I want my embodiment on Stage 6 with Nobu, Mode, and Moerin :3
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Uh, there is going to be an official translation. Drake(?) and I are going to work on it.
I think that using 東方 is OK, because a lot of other for-sale fan games use it, and I think the connection to Rin Satsuki is enough to justify it. If we must use another direction, I'd go with 北方 - Hoppou, or northward.
Because that's the direction the screen scrolls in. :V
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Uh, there is going to be an official translation. Drake(?) and I are going to work on it.
I think that using 東方 is OK, because a lot of other for-sale fan games use it, and I think the connection to Rin Satsuki is enough to justify it. If we must use another direction, I'd go with 北方 - Hoppou, or northward.
Because that's the direction the screen scrolls in. :V
Can I help with the Japanese translation? :<
I really don't think Rin Satsuki is enough to justify using 東方. For one, the Ijiyatsu universe is not Gensokyo, connected but separate. Two, our game is a separate storyline with original characters, which would just confuse people if we labeled our game as a 東方 game.
You don't like 全方、Forza? Sounds weird to you or something? I mean, 北方 is a decent alternative, but I liked the implication of 'All directions' since the project is open and the makers come from everywhere.
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I really don't think Rin Satsuki is enough to justify using 東方. For one, the Ijiyatsu universe is not Gensokyo, connected but separate. Two, our game is a separate storyline with original characters, which would just confuse people if we labeled our game as a 東方 game.
The problem that I find with this is that we're currently thinking in ZUN's mindset for pretty much everything. It's like this game tries to imitate ZUN's style (Touhou) as much as possible while using original characters and calling it a different game.
I would say that while the characters and story are different, it's still in the spirit of Touhou.
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How many damn bosses do you guys want in a freakin' stage holy shit you're all gonna have like half a spellcard
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The problem that I find with this is that we're currently thinking in ZUN's mindset for pretty much everything. It's like this game tries to imitate ZUN's style (Touhou) as much as possible while using original characters and calling it a different game.
I would say that while the characters and story are different, it's still in the spirit of Touhou.
This is exactly what Seihou is.
We're not making any lies that this isn't based off Touhou by calling it something different. Hell, Gensokyo is probably going to be mentioned in the preface and alluded to in the game.
It's just, I don't think we should be directly labeling this as Touhou when there's one character in the game that barely even counts as a Touhou character to begin with.
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Can I help with the Japanese translation? :<
You don't like 全方、Forza? Sounds weird to you or something? I mean, 北方 is a decent alternative, but I liked the implication of 'All directions' since the project is open and the makers come from everywhere.
Maybe if you become a Spechul Membah, you can help. :P
And 全方 isn't specific enough, I think. Sure this is a team effort, but so was Seihou, although not on the same scale obviously. One direction should be fine. I did like 九方 though.
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This is exactly what Seihou is.
Based on what we've got so far, this game already emits Touhou vibes far more profoundly than Seihou, in my honest opinion.
But I'm not objecting to any names you guys are coming up with. Just saying. :P
Also, it's Eastern because of the fact that Ijiyatsu is inside Gensokyo (refer to Genesis). :V
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You guys are starting to become curfuffling. :3
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Maybe if you become a Spechul Membah, you can help. :P
And 全方 isn't specific enough, I think. Sure this is a team effort, but so was Seihou, although not on the same scale obviously. One direction should be fine. I did like 九方 though.
That's a low blow. :( ID isn't enough for you?
That's a good point. How would you pronounce 丸方 anyway? Maruhou? Or Ganhou?
Nwbi: I thought we decided that Ijiyatsu was next to, instead of being inside of Gensokyo.
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That's a low blow. :( ID isn't enough for you?
That's a good point. How would you pronounce 丸方 anyway? Maruhou? Or Ganhou?
Nwbi: I thought we decided that Ijiyatsu was next to, instead of being inside of Gensokyo.
It is also by the sea for obvious reasons.
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Nwbi: I thought we decided that Ijiyatsu was next to, instead of being inside of Gensokyo.
Portals; think with them.
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Nwbi: I thought we decided that Ijiyatsu was next to, instead of being inside of Gensokyo.
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Whatever you say, Nobu onee-san~ :3
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It's across the street
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For being somwhere in Japan we have some varied character species...
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For being somwhere in Japan we have some varied character species...
We're not in Japan. We're somewhere over there. Next that one place.
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Whatever you say, Nobu onee-san~ :3
! I picked up another imouto?!
Not that i'm complaining or anything~<3 :3
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It seems Nobu and Theorin attract new family members like free food attracts hobos. :V
/me is killed with a hobo nickel
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Family member? No. It was a sign of respect. And adoration~
*Cue me drawing topless Nobu*
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*Cue me drawing topless Nobu*
>:3
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Portals; think with them.
It's actually all just a different dimension.
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Family member? No. It was a sign of respect. And adoration~
*Cue me drawing topless Nobu*
Ahh~ I don't know what i've done to deserve such honors though.
And :3~ Though as much as I love toplessness, could I request some clothing? :V It can still be ecchi, but clothing makes things more interesting in some ways~ Hehe.
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Ahh~ I don't know what i've done to deserve such honors though.
And :3~ Though as much as I love toplessness, could I request some clothing? :V It can still be ecchi, but clothing makes things more interesting in some ways~ Hehe.
Well, if you say so.
It will still be a while before I'll touch your character, after all. ;_;
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I want an ecchi pic :(
It will still be a while before I'll touch your character, after all. ;_;
>:3
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I want an ecchi pic :(
...If it makes you feel any better, my next picture post will be ecchi. Sort of. :P
No it's not swimsuit.
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More like Suikama forgot to update, or something. :V
But you're clearly here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=22.msg165160#msg165160), though.
Derp derp derp
Also putting Emouse and Ammy on the "Welp" list for now
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Well, if you say so.
It will still be a while before I'll touch your character, after all. ;_;
It's ok, I understand. :3
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big post alert?
東方 vs others
I honestly don't care what it ends up being; all sides have good reasons for it being Zenhou or Hoppou. I'm just thinking the game will definitely get more popularity if we use Touhou, unless we tag everything with Touhou anyways, which would kind of defeat the point.
embodiment list
I'm not reorganizing the stages and whatnot, it's good as it is. People shall be replaced or whatever as "needed", but I think I've found a good balance. It's not like the Embodiments all have an entire spell card or something anyways, it's just a fairly hard pattern to increase difficulty in the stages. You can decide amongst yourselves which stage to put yourself in; aside from more relevant characters to the stage I'm not going to decide this for you.
other embodiment things
I'm fairly sure I'm going to appear as an Embodiment in Extra, and maybe in one of Slaves' cards. I don't think Slaves' original intention was to include everyone with a portrait into the game, rather than them getting an Ijiyatsu self for being a cool kid and discussing the project/just because he wanted to.
Like Naut said, we can't have like every member who visits CPMC in the game; even including Embodiments wasn't the most practical idea. The main reason Embodiments is a good idea is that it can represent a good chunk of the forums, it creates an actual setting instead of random characters, and generates fanart, which is a good thing for popularity's sake. I'll add a little bit about this later.
even more character things
Same with the main list, I'm not sure if we can include so many bosses into OMES. It may be a composite boss rush, but adding in bosses willy-nilly is pretty careless. The stage is already going to be super long as it is.
translation
If we get it finished enough that we can think about working on a translation (Or actively do it as we complete things) I'll try to help, if anything for specifics that wouldn't be easy to interpret from an "outside" source. My japanese isn't poor, but it's not the greatest. Nobu should be able to help, too.
Also, it's Eastern because of the fact that Ijiyatsu is inside Gensokyo (refer to Genesis).
I didn't actually post that here, did I? We haven't technically named the world of Ijiyatsu yet IIRC, but spawned from a discussion on #ijiatsu about the game setting I put together a small "prologue" bit. And yes, it's technically beside Gensokyo. What I tried to do with this was connect lines between RL, Gensokyo, this project itself and how it came to be, while still cover up any technical faults that you could come up with like "if it's like gensokyo then why is there ocean and why does the world keep changing" and etc. Take a look at the attached image.
I'll add a little bit about this later.
Well I've been talking about it for a little bit now and I guess it doesn't matter if I say it in here. In general, some of the fanart created up to now, even though comical, is kind of bugging me. The fact that we've made what are more or less complicated self-inserts, and then making tons of fanart about them, especially the swimsuits (and yukkuri) does generate the impression that the community is fairly "terrible", in a community vs community kind of sense. Now I know that we're all a bit more mature than that (except for some???) but if we do get this out I don't really want it to be seen as a lolselfinsertshitsux game and shunned by some communities. Now of course I'm not telling you to stop with the art as I do still enjoy it (and even if I wanted to you wouldn't stop). I'm under debate with myself because in reality the fact that this is based on the forum members is the reason this project is still afloat. The self-centered nature of people like that they're directly included in it, and combined with the fanart it generates the amount of interest that got it going, and it's the reason it's still going. There's not much point in me saying this, it's just something I wanted to say, sorry.
NOW THEN
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... that story is splendid~. It is on AWESOME-FIRE.
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:V
You've a substantial amount of planning for this, Haven't you? You're treating it incredibly professional, I'm mildly impressed.
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fuck yes:
and then Drake says "let there be light, and thus idiots were born unto this world" Drake saw that all was good, and he sat and grinned to himself.
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You've a substantial amount of planning for this, Haven't you? You're treating it incredibly professional, I'm mildly impressed.
To be embarrassingly honest I've wanted to y'know, make a game ever since I was a kid. Except obviously, I don't possess all the skills necessary to actually do something by myself. I did originally want to just contribute to music because it was a random interest, but I guess I kind of took initiative and did something :/ I never realized I had such crazy planning skills until now, really.
EDIT in reply to post below due to clutter:
I hope people don't go ahead and view me as the hardened guy who's super serious and won't have fun or whatever. My posts outside here should make it pretty obvious I'm a super laid-back guy. I'm only going into professional mode when it's really needed, because if we all intend for the project to finish then we do need some possibly-disappointing-pushing instead of happy-go-lucky-fanart-everywhere-and-not-actually-finish-the-game.
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To be embarrassingly honest I've wanted to y'know, make a game ever since I was a kid. Except obviously, I don't possess all the skills necessary to actually do something by myself. I did originally want to just contribute to music because it was a random interest, but I guess I kind of took initiative and did something :/ I never realized I had such crazy planning skills until now, really.
I know the feeling, Hell, I'm basing my major exactly off of that. Possibly my entire life, should things go my way. Seeing exactly where you're coming from, I've just got one piece of advice for you. Loosen up a bit, It may have just been that post, but being so professional as it stands may just end up making your head hurt a bit. That said, The game looks like it'll be fun come completion with you involved.
Edit in Return:
I'll take your word, And really it'd be immature to take such a judgment knowing so little. I do see exactly where you're coming from, and I'm completely in agreement with that. Just something I felt like adding.
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So basically we've been fanservice-ing ourselves too much on this? :V
if we all intend for the project to finish then we do need some possibly-disappointing-pushing instead of happy-go-lucky-fanart-everywhere-and-not-actually-finish-the-game.
And nobody should object to such a push, really.
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I won't object to such a push either, really. Then again, I really don't have much of anything in the way of involvement in this whole thing, so. >_>
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Eeeesh, sorry... I mean, I just wanted to show at least some support in the project... I guess I'll stop uploading my art until I can draw more than Yukkuris, then...
If it was at all possible for me to help in such a push, I'd have done so a while ago. It's just that I can't program, or sprite, or really do anything necessary to actually make the game. All I can really offer right now is moral support until it's time to write up my dialogue, though...
So yes, I agree that we really should get to work on the actual game. I'm sure if we tried hard enough, we could at least have the demo finished by the next AD, right~?
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Again, I'm not saying the art is a bad thing. Without a steady stream of interest the project might slowly die, and fanart is a primary source of interest and I do really like the art. Continue as you want, I'm still one of those self-centered people I talked about, I like having a character based on me...! Although, when this project nears completion I expect less flood of art for safety purposes :V
EDIT: holy mother releasing a demo for AD is a good idea, not only for us but for AD as well
EDIT: Random idea, if Zengar's special ability is up-close cleavage, I suggest Gpop shouldn't have any collision detection with the enemy (running into them won't kill you). Possibly while unfocused or something.
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A while ago I actually asked Kilga if it'd be okay to release the demo for AD, seeing how he runs the literary edition and all. He seemed fine with it, so unless he changed his mind about it I'm pretty sure that's what we should do~
At the very least, it gives us a deadline to work to, which hopefully should encourage a bit more productivity~
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Judging from the fact that we already have 5 threads full of arts when Stage 1 isn't even complete yet, I can understand that fanarts have been a major driving force for the enthusiasm in this project.
Though, at this rate, we'll have a hundred threads on this by the time the game is nearing completion. :V
And yes, cooperation with AD will not only gather reception, but possibly help as well.
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Thanks Drake, for providing your input, investing your time and effort into this project, and addressing your concerns You made a lot of good points. Just from all the characters are based off forum personalities, it would be really easy for this to be branded a big Mary Sue project. It may be inevitable, but we should try and make the game as good as we can across the board and not focusing on any one character, including (especially) our own.
I think it's important to remind people to not get too protective of their own characters and concepts and be open to suggestions (especially when it comes to revising bios). While yes, you should be involved in your own character designing process, at the same time it still needs to fit with the rest of the world somehow and not reek of "I want my character to be the COOLEST EVER BETTER THAN THE REST". I'm not referring to anyone in particular, but i'm just cautioning on this before it becomes an issue.
Oh, and Drake, I still have .PSD for Genesis that i've been meaning to take a look at and try revising for clarity, but I've been so busy that kinda got buried. :< Along with organizing the Ijiyatsu bios. Luckily i'll be on vacation soon, and my workload suddenly got a bit easier at school, so I'll be able to contribute more time to helping out. I'll send you a draft soon to hear your thoughts on it.
To be embarrassingly honest I've wanted to y'know, make a game ever since I was a kid. Except obviously, I don't possess all the skills necessary to actually do something by myself.
This. So hard. My fantasy job when I was younger was imagining storyboards and worlds and designing games, so this has a lot to do with my enthusiasm in trying to construct the Ijiyatsu world.
I blame it being late for me, but what is this AD people are referring to?
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Reading Drake's post makes me very much wish that I had a clue how to use Danmakufu. I feel really bad having more or less set this in motion, and then other people are basically having to do the real work without me actually doing anything.
As for AD, I'd personally not go for that, because releasing it with AD means that Pooshlmer will get a hold of it. Recall that there's a reason we never mentioned this there before.
And...as much as it hurts to say, I never really expected the game to go any further than a simple joke, like all the other CPMC games that had been designed. Honestly the actual idea is rather self-centred, given the game really is pretty much 'lol self-insert'. Even assuming that the game itself is good, the odds of avoiding a Periphery of Power response from the community are roughly zero.
But what really matters to me is that people are having fun with the idea - be it by following some childhood dream and making a game, or producing the fanart that's pretty much kept the project going, or just enjoying watching it come together in general. If Ijiyatsu is making people happy, that's all that really matters in the end.
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EDIT: And since Nobu asked, AD is Another Dream, basically a collection of doujin works released by the west every six months (?). They've had demos and music CDs before, so people were suggesting sending them the Ijiyatsu demo.
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Rou: As long as we don't make a boss whose gimmick is 'The Color Blue', I think we'll be set. :V
But seriously, I think having Periphery of Power out there would do nothing but serve as a positive comparison, because our game would go well above and beyond that. For one, actual character sprites and cut in portraits, a workable storyline and world, and an actual game that can be played and enjoyed by other people. Sure, there will always be the detractors, but they will (theoretically) be offset by the people that are a bit more objective about the game and give us credit where credit is due. And besides, this is ultimately being produced by us and for us, so anyone else who can enjoy it too is just bonus.
If Ijiyatsu is making people happy, that's all that really matters in the end.
This, so hard.
AD is short for Another Dream, a western compilation of doujin comics and fiction that releases once every four months.
lolninjad
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In all honesty, I don't think a lot of people expected this game to get as much attention, support, and material to work with as it have right now. It started as a discussion about 2012 for god's sake. However, the concept arts and music that were made finally motivated people to bring more of their thoughts for the game, and the chain of fanarts alongside that skyrocketed people's interest even more. As more and more things get done, people starts to take this project seriously; up to the point where many people really do want this project to see the light of the day. For what it's worth, the discussion has been pretty fun as it is, though you can argue that this sort of outlook will simply not do for the game's own completion.
But yes, we're making a game by our own for ourselves. When we look at it that way, outsider's opinion is not that much of a great deal for the game's production itself, should this game be openly available to public. And for people as self-centered as we are, our own acceptance should come first, in matters of priority.
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I have to support Drake fully on his point of view as it is the same view I am having on Ijiyatsu at this moment. People might probably find us asses for being like this but somewhere a tough decission has to be made. Normally fan-art follows after a game is made ( or some demo atleast ) not before. Now A-F's work can be actually used perfectly as a PMiSS style artwork. I believe TranceHime was working on a spreadsheet which he showed yesterday on IRC.
To be honest ( and I am going to be extremely burned for this ) we are indeed in a too much: 'Happy-fanart-i-want-one-too-oh-that-looks-fapable' situation. As a programmer for this game I have extreme mixed opinions regarding this embodient appearings. Drake and Naut already said: A spellcard each embodient is overkill. Spellcard scripting is not just random bullets being placed. You don't know how hard it is to come up with a fitting spellcard that is in harmony with the music, the character, the background, everything.
Maybe read upon ZUN's view on spellcard in his afterwords in EoSD, PCB and IN. You will discover very interesting information.
If you want me to be really honest, I would actually prefer the embodients to either dissapear or cut extremely down to a more realistic ammount. And in both cases it will cause drama. And I remember people on IRC or here mentioning towards me: "Hele you are jealous because you are not in Ijiyatsu" or "Hele why are you not in the game!". The reason is simple: I didn't join this project to be inside the game. I joined this project because Slaves and few people asked me to help out.
Just a small message and final note: Don't you EVER forget I don't script to make one or few persons famous or "canon" in this game. I do not tolerate egoistic behaviour at all. I devode my time in this game because I want to support the MotK community. Else I wouldn't be wasting my time here now would I? Any person in this game is for me important and therefor earns the same care as any other Phantasm , Extra like boss.
That is all I wanted to say. If offence was taken, my apologies. I just thought it would be best to be straight forward here.
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>>Now A-F's work can be actually used perfectly as a PMiSS style artwork
/me cries in happiness~
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Hope I hain't been too much a pube about suggesting stuffs. I've tried not to do that lest I got something constructive to add. =I
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Switching gears to 'program-serious-mood' will be hard considering the number of actual programmers out of all the participants in this project is very small.
The least fanartists could do right now is to provide enthusiasm through more fanarts and(ry
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@ Purvis, I am not going to name people for that. That would be unfair at this moment and also totally unnessecary. As long as people understand and respect it.
@Nwbi There is nothing to switch. We are already busy programming the core-elements for the game such as: power system, lifebars, HUD, spellcircles, effects. But this is just preperation and general stuff which will be used over and over. I don't think the number of participants in this project is small. Let us not forget that ZUN crams everything out on his own ( ok, he takes a year to do so ). But you'll be suprised how fast things can go as long as we are provided the right material. And material I mean is generally: cutin portraits + dialogue portraits with different face expressions.
I think actually the programming crew right now is pretty solid and complete. Any more and things will be hard to divide, don't know how the others think of this. We got: ( did I forgot someone? )
- Naut
- Drake
- Sky
- Suika
- Onthenet
- Hele
- Chen (?) ( think he wanted to join or so? )
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- Chen (?) ( think he wanted to join or so? )
More like him. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3676.msg165702#msg165702) :V
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Then I'll take the first step towards bettering the game ^^
I'm bowing out of being an embodiment XD
Hopefully a few other 'embodiments' will peacefully follow suit and reduce the number of embodiments to something more manageable for those doing the actual work on the game. Those who remove themselves could probably be granted some sort of compensation such as a mention in the actual storyline etc. (considering embodiments have nothing at all to do with the story, I think this is a nice tradeoff).
It's not like I'm contributing much outside of fanart anyway. Plus my initial drive was to get MotK-tan and CPMC-tan into the game (how I got myself in is a mystery to me ~_~).
If there is space, maybe my character can receive a mention as being Moerin's Yukari-like friend/advisor with a personal ulterior agenda.
My own 5 cents on the matter -
If you really do want this game to be somewhere on par with the other touhou-spinoffs, then a bit more work on the characters is in order.
a) We need a bit more diversity than 'youkai, deity, youkai, deity, and the occasional fairy' (I mean 'general youkai' like Yukari and Meirin rather than 'specific youkai' like Ichirin and Satori). I suggest introducing novel mythical creatures, maybe even western ones, for a little more flavour. Say, werewolves, lesser-dragons, minotaurs, griffins, dryads, efreets, fauns, ghouls, incubi, succubi (hey, AF's character can be a succubus, which would explain the 'manipulation of fetishes). Maybe eastern ones who have yet to receive any say in touhou, such as the phoenix, kirin, ame-onna, yuki-onna, baku, byakko, doji, etc. (for a nice list, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legendary_creatures and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legendary_creatures_from_Japan )
b) A bit more work on the character designs to make them more original. No offense to Slaves, whose art is, I must admit, awesome. But I recall seeing a Suwako-lookalike, a Nitori lookalike, a Koishi doppleganger, and a Tenshi ditto. We should do our best to make sure our characters don't come across as touhou ripoffs in any way. EDIT: I just realized there's a Nue-lookalike too.
c) More work on the powers. What does your character do in the world ijiyatsu? How does his/her powers support this task? Powers should reflect the world and vice-versa, I think.
My apologies if anything I said came across as critical/offensive. They are mere suggestions, nothing more. Feel free to disregard them if you please.
Also, I felt like writing last night, and I ended up starting a spinoff ijiyatsu tale. It was fun to write so I'll definitely be writing more once I find the time. Also, more fanart on the way, so expect more~
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Do we really want to be affiliated with AD? The last I checked they weren't exactly looked upon favorably by the rest of the community, but then again the community doesn't seem to like anything that doesn't come directly from GLORIOUS NIPPON so I guess it doesn't matter either way.
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@ N-Forza People will have some frowning upon this game as well once it is finished. So yea, Touhou fandom I guess. I prefer to do not get affiliated or associated with any exciting fan-circle group or person. 'We' as MotK is more than enough. It is not like we are going to release yearly Ijiyatsu. Are we ? =S
Then I'll take the first step towards bettering the game ^^
I'm bowing out of being an embodiment XD
Let us not make hasty decissions now. I think a discussion regarding it with more people's opinions would be better.
a) We need a bit more diversity than 'youkai, deity, youkai, deity, and the occasional fairy' (I mean 'general youkai'.
We seem to be lacking catagories because we are all based on human-youka style it seems. ( Do we have ghosts? phantoms? beasts? animals? )
b) A bit more work on the character designs to make them more original. No offense to Slaves, whose art is, I must admit, awesome. But I recall seeing a Suwako-lookalike, a Nitori lookalike, a Koishi doppleganger, and a Tenshi ditto. We should do our best to make sure our characters don't come across as touhou ripoffs in any way. EDIT: I just realized there's a Nue-lookalike too.
I think that was a bit the original idea, basing us on touhous but I have no idea exactly about this. After four threads I lost it :V
c) More work on the powers. What does your character do in the world ijiyatsu? How does his/her powers support this task? Powers should reflect the world and vice-versa, I think.
TranceHime is tackling this afaik ( correct me if I am wrong Hime-san )
@ MTG, you make a few good points. My replies to them:
Also, I felt like writing last night, and I ended up starting a spinoff ijiyatsu tale. It was fun to write so I'll definitely be writing more once I find the time. Also, more fanart on the way, so expect more~
WuftD WuftD WuftD WuftD WuftD WuftD WuftD WuftD WuftD WuftD WuftD WuftD ! :V ( just joking , but we should continue that as well =( it makes me little sad for seeing it stalled )
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I guess it's time to throw my two cents into the ring, or at least make an attempt at it.
Overall I'm agreeing with the need for more variety, which is why I kinda pointed out a while ago that if I was drawn I wanted to be the evil spirit, /mimafanboyism that, and honestly if it is honestly needed I'll drop out of the embodiment list, since I'm not exactly a big forum member, and the others are more deserving. Also for the AD topic I'm not really sure if we should or not, I never really have too much of a negative view on these kinds of things.
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I see no need to advertise Ijiyatsu outside the forums much, myself. It's for us by us, as I see it, and really wouldn't have a faction of the charm to anyone who's not somewhat familiar with Math Class.
This being said, I expect if we don't advertise it'll percolate out on its own based on its own gameplay quality, and I think that is good enough.
Edit: I claim Devi. And Archon. And don't give me no sassmouth about incompatibility.
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If people are pining for a translation after everything is done I would be glad to offer my services.
I've already submitted an entry to the spreadsheet that Nwbi started (no, it was not me, Hele xD).
Anyway, the race my character is, is "Tatsu," or dragon race. Not necessarily the same dragon mention in PMiSS, which is 龍, but rather, 竜.
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I was worried on touching on the 'too many Embodiments' issue, but the complaints being made by the programmers are honestly pretty valid. Maybe it'd be more of an idea to make the bare-bones game first, and then afterwards work on adding characters other than the playables/bosses. At the very least, the idea of having to program all of these Embodiments in when there's nothing to work from may end up being disheartening to the programmers, while adding on to an already fully-built product will be both easier and less stressful.
As for race, I admit that I'm not sure where to go in terms of ideas. I was thinking the tsukumogami form of a writer's much-loved pencil, but is that stealing too much from Kogasa?
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Tbh I'm completely fine with the characters and all. The fact that we're considered a Touhou forum makes sense with the design Slaves used.
For example, I'm based on Koishi for the obvious reason that I'm a large Koi-fan. Of course, you could make me a Tae Kwon Do fighting chick, but the only thing I disagree with is that people would pair me too much with Meiling, whom I care much really.
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Tae Kwon Do fighting chick
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h182/GAmer1991/sfiv_juri.jpg)
I had to do it.
Sana ilu
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I started helping because I was seeing barely any work done, or at least in this thread. I started making the sprites but then I realized that after I finished the sprites my part was probably done, so I'm learning Danmakufu so I can help out a bit more. So far I can make simple spellcards, but I can't think of spellcards that have that artistic feel of Touhou which is why I was trying to make Flashtirde's design for Nobu's cards. I should post a video version of what I think he wanted one of them to look like. Anyways here's another update to the Gpop sprites, I added the collar which I kept forgetting to put.
(http://i38.tinypic.com/ilyg3t.gif)
(http://i33.tinypic.com/21f064z.gif)
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Well I certainly didn't expect something like this when I seriousposted. Oh well, it's nice to see some people agreeing.
Maybe it'd be more of an idea to make the bare-bones game first, and then afterwards work on adding characters other than the playables/bosses.
I already mentioned before that programming the skeleton code of Embodiments will be secondary as well as the scoring system, then way later the Embodiments will be added. There's no rush to jump out of the boat right now or anything, people. We have a long way to go before we get to you.
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I thought looking like touhou characters was the point. Also, I think MtG and ES Anthony need to calm down. I'm sure if they need to drop some embodiments, they'll ask more directly.
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Regarding character design: I don't see borrowing certain elements from Touhou because our game has parody elements. The source material is blatantly obvious and we're not trying to hide that fact. Honestly, the more obvious the parody is, the less we'd be accused of 'trying to be original but failing miserably', i'd think.
The only issue I have is with the names that are exactly taken from existing characters (i.e. Letty, Tenshi) that we should probably look into changing.
Regarding Embodiments: I am all for reducing programmer workload, but I wonder if there is another way? What if we standardized embodiments across each stage (so the character that pops up as an embodiment is superficial), and just included embodiments as a pool of sprites that the game can pull from when an embodiment appears?
If we make it randomized somehow, it wouldn't really be much a problem to include more embodiments because it'd essentially just adding a new sprite to the pool. And even if the pool is large, that would just mean that you'd see different embodiments on every playthrough, and have to play through multiple times to see them all.
Regarding Story/world development: I think all the races of Gensokyo are fair game. I am interested in keeping things simple though, and avoiding things like "Divine Celestial Yeti riding a bull, holding an eel and chicken in it's hands Warrior Eirei". I mean, It's ok to want your character to be cool, but you should have some kind of justification as to why they need to be X or Y, aside from "But it'd make my character the sweetest ever!" You can still be a Youkai or Human and be cool, look at over 90% of the Touhou cast.
As for race, I admit that I'm not sure where to go in terms of ideas. I was thinking the tsukumogami form of a writer's much-loved pencil, but is that stealing too much from Kogasa?
If we make the pencil purple, then this would be perfect. Stealing is bad, but parodies are great if done well. As long as we don't give the impression that we're slapping a new paint job on an existing ZUN trope and trying to pass it off as original, we can be liberal with the parodies.
And hey, that would mean we can make referential jokes in the dialog to add to the parody aspect. "Who in their right mind would use an eggplant-colored pencil anyway? At least if you were an umbrella you'd be a little more useful."
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@Roukanken and @Nobu~:
I was worried on touching on the 'too many Embodiments' issue, but the complaints being made by the programmers are honestly pretty valid. Maybe it'd be more of an idea to make the bare-bones game first, and then afterwards work on adding characters other than the playables/bosses. At the very least, the idea of having to program all of these Embodiments in when there's nothing to work from may end up being disheartening to the programmers, while adding on to an already fully-built product will be both easier and less stressful.
Regarding Embodiments: I am all for reducing programmer workload, but I wonder if there is another way? What if we standardized embodiments across each stage (so the character that pops up as an embodiment is superficial), and just included embodiments as a pool of sprites that the game can pull from when an embodiment appears?
I have no problem programming entire boss fights for every person in CPMC, with talk events, several non-cards, a bunch of kill cards and a survival (especially since I know most of you have ideas for your own danmaku, and coming up with spellcard designs is always much harder than actually programming them), it's just that the game will be extremely boring and repetitive. Part of what makes Touhou awesome is that you can just sit down and play for an hour, and you've beaten the game. No save points or any of that bs. With eight trillion bosses, suddenly a ~40 minute game becomes an afternoon sitdown.
Actually, on the thought of how long the game will take to beat:This game will probably take longer to beat than a regular Touhou game (even by taking out everybody's spellcards, the amount of content in the game will still be overwhelming), I'd guess anywhere around an hour to and hour and fifteen minutes (and up), depending on how extravagant the boss fights will be. And that's not even including Extra and Phantasm, which will be their own ~fifteen minute stage + battle. How does everybody feel about being able to continue your game (save at the start of the stage, turn off the game, come back to it later)? I wouldn't want to have it so you can save in the middle of a stage though (possibly something like autosaving at the start of a stage and boss). Just throwing the idea out there. Two issues with this would be broken replay files, where they will not save your previous data -- only the amount you played in the one sitting, as well as inaccurate slowdown percentages on the replay files, so take that in to account.
@Skye:
Looks awesome, when I get the sprite sheet (or individual .png files as you choose to make them), I'll put them in the next Gpop builds.
@Drake:
Random idea, if Zengar's special ability is up-close cleavage, I suggest Gpop shouldn't have any collision detection with the enemy (running into them won't kill you). Possibly while unfocused or something.
I'd love to hear how you plan to code this without making every enemy's hitbox a horrible fusion of the distance forumla, ShootDownPlayer and ridiculous incrementing global variables. I just don't see it :S
@Nobu~ again:
If we make it randomized somehow, it wouldn't really be much a problem to include more embodiments because it'd essentially just adding a new sprite to the pool. And even if the pool is large, that would just mean that you'd see different embodiments on every playthrough, and have to play through multiple times to see them all.
I like the idea of randomized mini-bosses, or possibly player-character dependent mini-bosses.
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I thought Embodiments were like Death Fairies instead of minibosses
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Embodiments are basically UFOs that attack, unless i missed something.
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@Naut: I always imagined Embodiments to be glorified UFOs that shot stuff. In any one UFO game you'll have at least a few UFOs popping up per stage, so even if you couldn't see all the different embodiments on one playthrough, you'd see a number of them. Once you have the embodiment framework in place, it wouldn't really make a difference in workload to include more or less embodiments if they were just sprites for the game to choose from? It fits with the current story construct to have everyone's embodiments using the same attacks, because it's just the Idiot Energy taking the form of a character it consumed.
And this is still something on the backburner, but if we include the "See an embodiment, unlock their bio and character portrait/concept art", it still allows the embodiments to have personality without cluttering up the main scenario.
Also, about game length: Is there anything that i'm not seeing that would make the game so much longer than a normal Touhou game? We have midbosses on the 1st, 4th(though this could be cut as it's a random reappearnace), 5th, and 6th stages. This is pretty much the same framework as PCB and UFO.
I thought Embodiments were like Death Fairies instead of minibosses
Embodiments are closer to UFOs than midbosses or Death Fairies. They are important for scoring and getting items, have a condition to appear, and are more substantial than a normal Death Fairy. They'd probably have a life bar and a name too, but they'd be really easy to kill.
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I actually meant on terms of difficulty
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They'd probably have a life bar and a name too
you mean like when someone uses a spellcard? if so, i don't think we should do that. just have it be a red bar above/below them like UFOs have.
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you mean like when someone uses a spellcard? if so, i don't think we should do that. just have it be a red bar above/below them like UFOs have.
At least give them a name hovering around somewhere...
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you mean like when someone uses a spellcard? if so, i don't think we should do that. just have it be a red bar above/below them like UFOs have.
I was talking about like UFOs have. We could still put the embodiment name in the same place it appears for bosses though, right? Having a name floating with the life bar would be too much.
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If we have too many embodiments, we could just turn some of them into enemies like Stuffman :V
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I think as most of the planning for Embodiments is already done, we shouldn't dwell on it too much until we can actually visualize how much more work it'll be to add them in. What'll probably be done is the name appears in the corner and a lifebar appears above them, like UFOs except with a name. That's it.
Also, each enemy will load up sets of functions from within the library. Some are run each frame, some are called upon. One that's run each frame would just be
sub EnemyCollisionB(x,y,r){
if(GetPlayerScriptName!=GpopA || GetPlayerScriptName!=GpopB){
SetCollisionB(x,y,r);
}else if(GetPlayerMoveState==MOVE_SLOW){
SetCollisionB(x,y,r);
}
}
Why wouldn't that work? You just give it the same parameters as SetCollisionB and it just inherits them.
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Yes.
is this in agreement or what
'Tis what yes means.
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Now that I think about it, it should really only apply to stage enemies. If you could phase through bosses you could just grazewhore and time out a lot of cards, making Gpop stupidly good at scoring. In return he can phase regardless of focus because it doesn't make much difference either way.
sub EnemyCollisionB(x,y,r){
if(GetPlayerScriptName!=GpopA || GetPlayerScriptName!=GpopB){
SetCollisionB(x,y,r);
}else if(IsBossExisting){
SetCollisionB(x,y,r);
}
}
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Yeah, avoiding clipdeath by normal mobs is one of those "Neat character specific gimmicks", but nothing game breaking like portalling through the wall or something like that. >_>
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ahahahaha.
(also I'd be the second Embodiment to suggest withdrawing, but if we're taking that "OMES Extra" ending as canon, I'm kinda stuck here ...)
I think somebody needs to mention Embodiments in-character, and within one or two lines of dialogue if not the same line, the words "Scarlet" and/or "Devil" should come up.
Also also: if it's going to be that long, I'm wondering if we shouldn't have some sort of stage-select thing, so that you aren't stuck doing an hour-at-a-time sort of thing.
Also also also: my take on renaming Touhou-named characters: maybe combine them with another screen name they use? ("Letty Mint" maybe?)
Hmm ... is anything finalized (or, indeed, suggested) about which Embodiments will be on what stage? My bio is basically "Random person wandering around semi-cheerfully and hasn't quite found her place yet ... OR IS SHE?" at the moment, which except for that last bit sounds like stage 1 material, but I wonder if it might be funny to parody that sort of thing by putting it much later in the game (or, indeed, how many people would actually get it) ...
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Hey Muffin. Write up a dialogue scene that has 'Embodiment of Scarlet Devil' as the hidden message.
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Hmm ... is anything finalized (or, indeed, suggested) about which Embodiments will be on what stage? My bio is basically "Random person wandering around semi-cheerfully and hasn't quite found her place yet ... OR IS SHE?" at the moment, which except for that last bit sounds like stage 1 material, but I wonder if it might be funny to parody that sort of thing by putting it much later in the game (or, indeed, how many people would actually get it) ...
I think it was decided that the Embodiments are dopplegangers of the characters created by the idiot energy. Since we are making a backstory for some of them it wouldn't make much sense if they were born during this incident. I don't think backstory will affect the stage appearance.
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Basically what Drake said. They're pretty much 'dopplegangers' in a sense. Think "prototypical Sci Fi blob hivemind, that can take the form of anything its consumed"
@Muffin: There's no reason why the embodiments can't be referred to by the characters: For one, it's part of the incident (the disappearances and the free idiot energy), and two, the embodiments were all denizens of the Ijiyatsu world before the incident so they can still have backstory with the players and bosses. So the players and most bosses would be sorta clueless to what's going on, why their friends are emerging from these idiot energy mists to attack them, etc.
The bios for embodiments would pretty much be a quick blurb about how they fit into the world or something about their normal personality. Think Pokedex entry.
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the programmers should appear in OMES.
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Slaves: One of your spellcards needs to use miniDrakes as danmaku. Or have a bunch of mini-Drakes as familiars.
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Drake can be my little helper. :)
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A thought. The cast of this game is huge. Why don't we cut out a large number of characters and save them for the inevitable sequel?
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A thought. The cast of this game is huge. Why don't we cut out a large number of characters and save them for the inevitable sequel?
I was thinking this, but I thought it might be a bit too optimisitic of me to say so...
But yes, I agree~ We have enough characters for about another 8 stages, right?
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I think we should first see how it all fits and gets. It is too early to judge about anything yet as the game is not even being made yet. We are just trying to prevent people from being dissapointed when suddenly such situation does occur.
As drama is inevitable* always in such things.
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The embodiment system's original intention was to be a way to fit in as many characters as we could but still keep the game storyline in the same kind of flow as a Touhou game, and make things easy on the programmers too.
We shouldn't start thinking about a sequel when the first game is still in formulative stages, because that'd be like obligating the programmers to complete a second game to take care of the people who didn't make it in the first one.
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Hooray I helped cause a massive discussion.
I'll be on #ijiatsu if you're on the Embodiment list and want to get on. No need to clutter the thread.
What if we can't access an IRC Channel?
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What if we can't access an IRC Channel?
Cry?
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What if we can't access an IRC Channel?
Then post in this thread, derp. Anything of importance that ends up getting discussed in IRC will make its way to the programming/discussion thread.
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So regarding Embodiments, I'm perfectly content to program unique spellcards for each one, within limits (not every single one is going to have unique bullets/gimmicks/etc), as long as someone is willing to sprite them and provide an attack description. They should only be as challenging as a PoFV Dragon attack, so that the main difficulty comes from the combination of the embodiment and stage, not the actual pattern.
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I think we should just drop the idea of Embodiments having spell cards now.
And I don't really think it's necessary for me to provide a list of the reasons why not, since it's pretty apparent from the past few pages of discussion alone.
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well, we can finish the game first, then add them in later.
or we could just come up with a few attacks that they use, and when they're summoned they use one randomly.
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well, we can finish the game first, then add them in later.
or we could just come up with a few attacks that they use, and when they're summoned they use one randomly.
I thought that was the purpose of the Last Words afterwards though. We should probably keep the main game free from changes once the full version is released.
Are you talking about certain embodiment specific attacks? Because my suggestion was to just treat Embodiments like UFOs that pick the character sprite/name they use randomly from a pool, but otherwise there'd be no shot difference between embodiment characters (or at least specific characters).
Unless you're talking about 'they' as embodiments in general, then yes I think the bullet patterns they'd shoot would have to be varied by the stage at least.
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You know, I do have a random script thing that could be usable for the Embodiments. The boss chooses from a few different attacks and combines them into one spellcard. You could say, have each Embodiment have a set group of bullets that they use, but have the actual attack semi-randomly generated. It wouldn't be too hard to have it scale up the attack as the difficulty or stage number goes us either.
@Nobu~
You seem worried about programmer workload, but once we get some shared functions done, the main obstacle is gameplay balance, not actual coding. Really, I've made 2-3 spellcard bosses in a day or two, and this likely would be even easier.
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I am seriously confused now. Weren't the embodients going to be some BIG fairy with a lifebar and maybe a warning sign to show the name when it is incoming and fires a patternized danmaku which isn't a spellcard?
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I am seriously confused now. Weren't the embodients going to be some BIG fairy with a lifebar and maybe a warning sign to show the name when it is incoming and fires a patternized danmaku which isn't a spellcard?
This.
OTN: I'm pretty sure we decided way back that Embodiments would definitely not have spellcards. The programmer workload is not the only reason. Let me list a few off the top of my head.
1. Thematics: Spell cards are highly personalized signature attacks, not named generic danmaku barrages. Making generic spellcards to be used between multiple Embodiments ruins this aspect of the spellcard theme.
2. Stage Flow: A good stage is an orchestrated series of events, and flows with the music. Trying to coordinate Embodiment spellcards is an additional logistics problem when trying to script the stages.
3. Necessity: Spell card-firing Embodiments are not necessary for a good Touhou-based danmaku game, but spell card firing Bosses and Midbosses are.
4. Workload: Brancing off from necessity, there are 6 bosses, 3 midbosses, and last I checked we were intending on doing four difficulties. That's likely over a hundred spellcards, which doesn't even include Extra or OMES. And we want to include more spellcards when we don't have to?
5(ry Do i really need to go on?
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1. Thematics: Spell cards are highly personalized signature attacks, not named generic danmaku barrages. Making generic spellcards to be used between multiple Embodiments ruins this aspect of the spellcard theme.
Well then, let's change every time I said spellcard to noncard. It's not a big deal to me, sorry if I accidentally made it appear that way.
2. Stage Flow: A good stage is an orchestrated series of events, and flows with the music. Trying to coordinate Embodiment spellcards is an additional logistics problem when trying to script the stages.
Give each stage a set of attack patterns that match the music, and let that stage's Embodiments pick out of that set. We could even divide that set into further sections for each part of the stage, etc.
3. Necessity: Spell card-firing Embodiments are not necessary for a good Touhou-based danmaku game, but spell card firing Bosses and Midbosses are.
See response to argument 1.
4. Workload: Brancing off from necessity, there are 6 bosses, 3 midbosses, and last I checked we were intending on doing four difficulties. That's likely over a hundred spellcards, which doesn't even include Extra or OMES. And we want to include more spellcards when we don't have to?
If we end up using my randomized thing, it would take a day to do one stage's attacks at most.
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I am seriously confused now. Weren't the embodients going to be some BIG fairy with a lifebar and maybe a warning sign to show the name when it is incoming and fires a patternized danmaku which isn't a spellcard?
That's what I thought as well. The only "Spell Card" the embodiments should ever use is a Last Word (And making a whole bunch of Last Words isn't really hard, the most difficult part is coming up with pattern ideas)
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Well then, let's change every time I said spellcard to noncard. It's not a big deal to me, sorry if I accidentally made it appear that way.
Well then, we have no argument :V I am all for the Embodiments having 'non-cards'. That's pretty much implicit in the "Glorified UFO that shoots bullets" concept.
Give each stage a set of attack patterns that match the music, and let that stage's Embodiments pick out of that set. We could even divide that set into further sections for each part of the stage, etc.
It'll be really hard to make attack patterns of Embodiments match the stage by the very nature that their appearance is based on player behavior. And remember that most people will be going for embodiments because they reward the player, so we can't make the non-cards very complex or their screen-time very long. They are a random element in an otherwise systematic/scripted stage.
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Yo Skye do you think you can post those character sprite sheets anytime soon? I'd really like to get crackin with those sprites :3
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I already sent them to Naut :V
But here you go:
http://www.mediafire.com/?jonwjtm3oww
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I already sent them to Naut :V
But here you go:
http://www.mediafire.com/?jonwjtm3oww
What about Zengar's sprites?
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Drake already made the Alpha version of Zengar. But since you asked
http://www.mediafire.com/?z1zyt2r2edm
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Now to redefine my character species, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onry%C5%8D
yes I am going with this there is nothing you can do to convince me otherwise
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Now to redefine my character species, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onry%C5%8D
yes I am going with this there is nothing you can do to convince me otherwise
I see, you're going to be a Youkai. Carry on then. :V
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I see, you're going to be a Youkai. Carry on then. :V
I'm at least being a spirit still :V
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Now to redefine my character species, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onry%C5%8D
yes I am going with this there is nothing you can do to convince me otherwise
Makes far more sense than my selection.
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i'm a human because i'm cool 8)
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Which of these Rou sprite looks best?
(http://i45.tinypic.com/10o1gk3.png)(http://i49.tinypic.com/25qcft2.png)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/5o8mpy.png)(http://i46.tinypic.com/11j9maa.png)
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i'm a human because i'm cool 8)
Damn skippy.
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Which of these Rou sprite looks best?
(http://i45.tinypic.com/10o1gk3.png)(http://i49.tinypic.com/25qcft2.png)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/5o8mpy.png)(http://i46.tinypic.com/11j9maa.png)
Looks better with legs apart imo.
Arms out and folded are both okay.
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Top left.
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Top left.
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Alright then, top left wins.
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Rou looks like some sort of sweet French/Irish martial artist. :V
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Rou looks like some sort of sweet French/Irish martial artist. :V
Looks more Russian to me. Maybe it's the hat.
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Okay so I just realized that if there aren't any actual Touhous in the game world, then that means Gpop is a schizo and Koishi is pretty much his superbly well thought-out imaginary
wife.
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Okay so I just realized that if there aren't any actual Touhous in the game world, then that means Gpop is a schizo and Koishi is pretty much his superbly well thought-out imaginary wife.
Even if there isn't any actual Touhous in the game, doesn't mean that we're aware of Touhou itself :V
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Also, maybe we should take Touhou out of the title, and just have Ijiyatsu - Monarchly Moron. (or maybe we've already done that and I'm just slow)
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IIRC tons of fan games like CtC (and periphery of power lol) all have 'touhou' in the title.
Actually pretty much every touhou fan game has Touhou in the title
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IIRC tons of fan games like CtC (and periphery of power lol) all have 'touhou' in the title
Because they're directly related to Touhou?
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We had this discussion like three pages back.
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We had this discussion like three pages back.
:V
Who's got the most updated version of the player scripts? Or is what's in the programming thread right now the newest versions?
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Naut should be working on Zengar and Gpop, but he's waiting for me to give him the power system base code.
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In this post: catching up
If it would help ease the workload for the programmers, I'd be willing to drop out from being an embodiment. I don't think that it'll matter much to me anyways, I just want to see this game finished.
As for spell card ideas, I'm more than ready to continue burning my precious time that I could be using on my studiesbrainstorming. However, I can't do this without at least a general idea of what the character it's for is about. For example, I could do Nobu's (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3676.msg161866#msg161866) and Zengar's (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=2690.msg114359#msg114359) easily because I had a basis to work on (snake, swords). But that's it. Anything else I've posted like it is some random concept I thought of putting up before I forgot.
Lastly, I'd like to be a huma bird (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huma_(mythology)) lol i have no legs
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Arrrghhhhh-
People should stop stepping down unless a formal problem is addressed by the programmers. The Embodiment list is *currently* as fine as it is now.
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I never said I had, just that I wasn't going to hold a grudge if ever such a travesty will occur.
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This means there are 4 birds in Ijiyatsu then Aya, Okuu, Mystia and Tokiko.
Skye, Prody, Flashtirade and I
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Concerning embodiments, I do really agree with the fact that they should only be worked on after getting the game completed, unless the game can't really be completed without them.
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Concerning embodiments, I do really agree with the fact that they should only be worked on after getting the game completed, unless the game can't really be completed without them.
Now here's a rather pressing issue.
Do we make embodiments now? Or do we finish the game first and implement them later? Surely it would be possible to make the entire game and then go back later and add embodiments, but then we risk having bad design. We don't want the embodiments to suddenly add undodgable walls, but on the other hand we don't want them to be trivial either, only shooting a lame three pronged aimed shot or something.
We want the embodiments to add a layer of depth to the game in terms of both scoring and survival, but it can't be imbalanced in either way. Ultimately getting this balance is key and will result in severe backlash if done improperly *CouhgUFORAGEcoughKefitcough*
So in that case it might not be a good idea to simply tack it on at the end. We have to design the stages with the embodiments in mind.
Also another thing about embodiments is this
# When an enemy is destroyed it releases IE.
# Idiot energy does not fall like other items do.
# Collecting IE increases the base point value by 10. (In Extra and Phantasm, it increases by 100.)
# Dying and bombing decrease IE and thus base point value, but bombing collects all IE on screen.
# If 100 IE is gathered on the screen, it will gather in the center and turn into an Idiot Embodiment.
Typically people will auto collect every item they see, so if they jump right into the game, they'll go through and end up never getting a single extra life or bomb and rage will surely ensue.
We need to alter this in some way. Maybe change it so that if the player collects 100 IE then it turns into an embodiment or make IE uncollectable or something like that.
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Also another thing about embodiments is this
Typically people will auto collect every item they see, so if they jump right into the game, they'll go through and end up never getting a single extra life or bomb and rage will surely ensue
Didn't that happen in the UFO demo when people just grabbed random UFOs?
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Except what's true in this case is that instead of collecting what you see, you don't collect what you see.
I rather like the balance I've set and I'm not quite sure how we could implement everything in another way. Perhaps in stage 1, when Jan explodes, he releases the entire 100 IE, that creates an Embodiment nigh-immediately. By then, the player will be accustomed to seeing IE, and if they see the IE gather when there's such a huge amount and they get a bomb or life piece, they'll almost certainly be convinced to replicate that scenario.
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Except what's true in this case is that instead of collecting what you see, you don't collect what you see.
I rather like the balance I've set and I'm not quite sure how we could implement everything in another way. Perhaps in stage 1, when Jan explodes, he releases the entire 100 IE, that creates an Embodiment nigh-immediately. By then, the player will be accustomed to seeing IE, and if they see the IE gather when there's such a huge amount and they get a bomb or life piece, they'll almost certainly be convinced to replicate that scenario.
Ah yes that works too.
Also I'd imagine going to the POC won't collect IE (like UFO) to allow people to keep IE on the stage but still be allowed to use the POC
Didn't that happen in the UFO demo when people just grabbed random UFOs?
Pretty much and I'm sure some idiot out there raged at it :V
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It's the opposite; POC will collect all items while grazing just collects Power and Points.
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It's the opposite; POC will collect all items while grazing just collects Power and Points.
So basically people who play for survival stay at the bottom of the screen, graze stuff, and let IE accumulate while people who play for score have to run around everywhere as usual, right?
Sounds good to me.
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So basically people who play for survival stay at the bottom of the screen, graze stuff, and let IE accumulate while people who play for score have to run around everywhere as usual, right?
Sounds good to me.
Scoring doesn't always running around everywhere as usual. It's all pre-planned :V
Anyway, I like the idea of running around the screen anyway.
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Scoring doesn't always running around everywhere as usual. It's all pre-planned :V
Anyway, I like the idea of running around the screen anyway.
I meant comparatively. Like you have to actively destroy every enemy and collect all items at the POC and stuff like that, while if you play for survival you just stay at the bottom and stream everything (except in SA where you always do that but meh)
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I just realized I repeated myself. And failed a huge grammatical check. Eh; I blame the extremely high temperature today.
I meant comparatively.
I get what you mean.
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Speaking of scoring, IMO more games should have the PC-98 convention of giving various musings depending on your score. Even if I can't read them in those games I think the concept is a nice touch.
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Speaking of scoring, IMO more games should have the PC-98 convention of giving various musings depending on your score. Even if I can't read them in those games I think the concept is a nice touch.
Please do explain for those of us who don't play PC98 too often
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Donut is referring to the messages that you get when you 1cc the game, such as "Legendary Man". Which was dependent on your performance in the game overall.
Hold on, I'll get screenshots.
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untitl98.png) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=188&u=12803292)
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untitl90.png) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=180&u=12803292)
魔人 - Demon
究極の名人 - Ultimate Master
For both, the goal is to say "Reduce the number of deaths!"
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You have pros and cons of summoning Embodiments.
In scoring there would be a qualm of to-collect-or-not-to-collect. If you summon an Embodiment and not die, you get all 100 IE back, in addition to extra graze possibilities which nets you multiplier and max-value Points. On the flip side, the pattern decided (originally) will be randomized, so depending on where you are in the stage and what pattern you get it might throw you totally off. If you bomb or die you lose IE and also some of the stored IE as well, which altogether would be worse than just collecting all the IE in the first place. It will require planning, that's for sure.
Survival on the other hand is simpler, but you still have a decision to make. If you want lives or bombs you do need to summon Embodiments, but you can't bomb them all because if you kill them you get bombs back (redundant gain), and if you die while trying to survive to get the life piece the result is the same, redundant. If you kill it as soon as possible you get your bomb piece quickly, which is the method with the best danger-reward ratio, which encourages people to bomb more. It's all if the player decides whether or not they want to take a risk with the stage, in both scoring and survival. It's just that the reasons for doing so are different.
An experimental part of the power formula is also based on getting you to bomb. When you die, the amount of power you get back is (bear with me, it's more simple than it looks)
floor(power) - ((1-bombed)/2) + ((10-lives)*0.05) - 1
Where power is the amount of power you had when you died, bombed is 1 if you had bombed before and 0 if not, and lives is your current lives (after death), unless you have no extra lives in which case you just get 4.00 regardless. Let's say you have 3.15 power, you hadn't bombed and 4 lives after death. You'll get 3 - 0.50 + 0.20 - 1 = 1.70 power. If you had bombed you would get 2.20.
Anyone like this idea?
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An experimental part of the power formula is also based on getting you to bomb.
*snip*
Anyone like this idea?
Yep.
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Anyone dislike this idea?
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Yep.
I approve as well :)
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Yep.
I love this idea.
fully support it in fact.
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Eh, I'll come up with a profile for my character later, once I'm actually in a game as more than an Embodiment/Last Word. Also, all Spechul Membahs who are also Embodiments should be in stage 6, Extra, or OMES.
Drake's idea sounds good, and I like the idea of giving ranks (or 'musings' as it was called) based on performance. We need to make sure we don't set the highest rank too low or high though.
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[idea]
Meh, why not? I think you should go for it~
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I fully support this idea Drake. o/
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floor(power) - ((1-bombed)/2) + ((10-lives)*0.05) - 1
This idea seems pretty well-supported, and personally I'm against the idea of rewarding the player if they BOMB MOAR, but I suppose there's a decent amount of logic behind it.
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Yeah, I was just about to ask whether we're sure that we want to encourage the player to bomb so much. It seems like some of our cooler danmaku concepts will go to waste if the average player would be smarter to just autobomb through them. Did I miss it when the reasoning behind this was explained?
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Yeah, I was just about to ask whether we're sure that we want to encourage the player to bomb so much. It seems like some of our cooler danmaku concepts will go to waste if the average player would be smarter to just autobomb through them. Did I miss it when the reasoning behind this was explained?
I'm under the impression that the bomb stock is also "limited" from the discussion earlier. So there's really no reason to bomb, and at the same time, you can't bombspam your way to victory *coughMoFcough*
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similiarly you guys should not make it so hard it is impossible for us easy mode players.
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similiarly you guys should not make it so hard it is impossible for us easy mode players.
yeah seriously
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So if the person doesn't bomb at -all- on a single life, he gets X amount of power dropped if he dies, but if he does bomb in that life and then dies sometime afterwards, he gets a little bit more than X power?
I feel like that'd be something that a lot of players wouldn't notice at first, and when they do they'd get confused with some going "What's the point of this?" It doesn't seem to so much reward bombing as it does punish if you failed to bomb when you should/could have.
Obligatory:
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9848/picture910.png)
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Obligatory:
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9848/picture910.png)
Touhou is bad because ZUN designs bad games to drive away his game's players (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=88)
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So if the person doesn't bomb at -all- on a single life, he gets X amount of power dropped if he dies, but if he does bomb in that life and then dies sometime afterwards, he gets a little bit more than X power?
I feel like that'd be something that a lot of players wouldn't notice at first, and when they do they'd get confused with some going "What's the point of this?" It doesn't seem to so much reward bombing as it does punish if you failed to bomb when you should/could have.
Wow... That's going to be like the death of me xD
I mean, bombing at the right time is good, and perhaps it might be good to punish players for not doing so, but the way I see it it's going to encourage more and more bombing and something about that really rubs me the wrong way.
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Wow... That's going to be like the death of me xD
I mean, bombing at the right time is good, and perhaps it might be good to punish players for not doing so, but the way I see it it's going to encourage more and more bombing and something about that really rubs me the wrong way.
This, pretty much. :x
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Nobu has a point, I might need to rethink it just a bit. It does seem awfully like a negative encouragement than a positive one.
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I'm not entirely sure about how this whole "encouraging bombing" works, but generally that's a bad thing.
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See, i'm actually -less- worried about this encouraging bombing honestly. Bombing is already itself enough of an encouragement "invulnerability time, takes the place of a life, easier to come by, deals a lot of damage". A piddly amount of power is not enough to turn people into bomb freaks. After all, no one ever consciously dies with bombs in stock if they can help it, because it's just a complete waste. It's always by accident.
What this "could" encourage slightly is the 'dying with bombs is a waste, use all your bombs' mentality, but everyone already agrees that's what you should be doing anyway.
With this said, the issue I had with it is one of 'outward face'. While a little bit of power wouldn't make much of a difference most of the time, it's still a "Man, so I screwed up and took a risk instead of bombing, and I get less power because of it on top of the life loss? This is stupid." It's about what the player reaction would be.
</psych> :V
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Don't encourage bombing in any way, shape or form. Especially since the player bombs are so different... I mean, Gpop's doesn't even do any damage (which I don't agree with, I might add).
Naut should be working on Zengar and Gpop, but he's waiting for me to give him the power system base code.
Indeed. The latest playable versions of all the player scripts are posted in the programming thread, the actual latest versions of the scripts don't even work, so it's no use posting them (not having any problems, just not finished yet).
I'll also be starting the Rou player script soon, since Skye is almost done with those sprites. Any ideas on the shot type/design for RouA and RouB would be awesome.
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I'm not entirely sure about how this whole "encouraging bombing" works, but generally that's a bad thing.
Only in Touhou. :V
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Well then, should it just be floor(power) + (lives*0.05) - 1? I'm under the impression that you might get a lot of power during the stages, so the amount of power you get back shouldn't be super huge. Evidently this is also what ZUN thought when he got rid of bombs:power, but losing 1 power and getting back 0.07 power was a slap in the face, so I want to avoid that...
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@Naut: What's your argument against the no-damage Gpop bomb? I don't think it's set in stone after all, and you may have a good point for all we know.
Well, so far we have in the works high-spread/damage as ZengarA, concentrated attack as Zengar B, Remi/MoFMariC as GpopA, and YoumuMyon as GpopB, right?
There's a distinct lack of a homing type so far so one of Rou's shot types should probably have homing elements. As for the other one... hm.
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Seconding the 'more power for bombing is nonsensical' sentiment. Also, after you determine how much power the player's going to get back, how to you intend to implement it? Write a formula that spawns the appropriate number of power items, or does the character just come back with the appropriate power?
Naut: I'm not sure where to go for shot type quirks compared with Zengar's slashing and Gpop's phasing. I was thinking something along the lines of 'get a power bonus for every x grazes' or 'get a supernatural border after x grazes', but I wasn't sure.
On the topic of RouA, I think we're really going to have to come down on one side of the fence before we can decide anything. Alice hasn't put anything forward for the project from what I've seen at least, and there's been talk for a while about bringing in Serp instead. Comments?
Meanwhile, since Pesco is still pretty much confirmed for RouB, I had a few ideas where to go there. I was thinking that the options would fire carrot bullets or something of that regard, and to go along with mindhax they'd home in for a certain distance before just moving straight on. Does that seem feasible?
Ninja: This new formula seems okay, but is it possible to add an increment depending on the stage? You're more likely to both die and need max power on later stages, after all.
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Well then, should it just be floor(power) + (lives*0.05) - 1? I'm under the impression that you might get a lot of power during the stages, so the amount of power you get back shouldn't be super huge. Evidently this is also what ZUN thought when he got rid of bombs:power, but losing 1 power and getting back 0.07 power was a slap in the face, so I want to avoid that...
Yeah, that was a bad way of encouraging bombing on ZUN's part. Reminds me of earlier shmups that have checkpoints when you die-- and you restart with nothing, making it pretty much impossible to go on.
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I intend to make Rou work harder for higher rewards. Give him a not-so-nice shot but a clear difference in scoring capability via increasing base item values by 5-10%.
I'm thinking of options that move like windscreen wipers. Spread with inconsistent damage.
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That seems counter-productive in that the result will be that playing with the Rou shottype will make it nigh-impossible to actually kill enough enemies to make anything of the item bonus. Perhaps if you want to make things harder, give the Rou shot type the fastest unfocused speed a la Sakuya?
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Forgot about having a gayass move speed :V
That works too.
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I intend to make Rou work harder for higher rewards. Give him a not-so-nice shot but a clear difference in scoring capability via increasing base item values by 5-10%.
I'm thinking of options that move like windscreen wipers. Spread with inconsistent damage.
It's a decent idea for crowd control, but it would make boss fights exponentially more difficult unless you shotgun or something.
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Forgot about having a gayass move speed :V
That works too.
We could even justify it in-game - 'too busy considering fiction ideas to pay close attention to where she's going'.
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Funny, I was actually just going to jump on IRC and talk to you about Rou x Serp for your A shottype. :V
I think Serp is better suited for the role than Alice honestly (but that may have to do with the fact that I'm more familiar with Serp). But objectively, it seems to me that Serp has a greater presence around here, he's around so it'd be more likely we could get the dialog done, and plus Serp would be easier logistic-wise instead of having to work 'Alice Margatroid' into the game. Those are my thoughts.
Rou, Pesco: What if you had a score multiplier, but only when unfocused? Focused would be increased power (Because Pesco is actually contributing more), but a loss of score bonus (Because Pesco is >:| for Rou having to rely on him so no score bonus for him)
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I think Serp is better suited for the role than Alice honestly (but that may have to do with the fact that I'm more familiar with Serp). But objectively, it seems to me that Serp has a greater presence around here, he's around so it'd be more likely we could get the dialog done, and plus Serp would be easier logistic-wise instead of having to work 'Alice Margatroid' into the game. Those are my thoughts.
I was worried about irritating Alice about throwing him out without warning, but the fact is I mentioned this to him a few weeks ago on IRC. A contribution was promised, and nothing happened.
I'm considering, then, for Rou A to have something like a snake option to emulate Shou's curvy lasers. Does that make sense?
This is probably also the cue to find designs for the Rou shot types, since as yet they're the only in-game characters yet to be drawn. I know that Ruro was working on a Serpko picture...
Rou, Pesco: What if you had a score multiplier, but only when unfocused? Focused would be increased power (Because Pesco is actually contributing more), but a loss of score bonus (Because Pesco is >:| for having to rely on him so no score bonus for you)
This is genius. But is it programmable?
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Just a quick post to say that I'm keeping up with this thread. I've been without time to hang out online and on IRC, but I can still check in here for updates.
It started as a discussion about 2012 for god's sake.
I am happy to not be the only person who remembers this. :)
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@Naut: What's your argument against the no-damage Gpop bomb? I don't think it's set in stone after all, and you may have a good point for all we know.
Well, the problem with Gpop having a no damage bomb is that it makes me want to compensate the character for the lack of spellcard killing power. For example, the other characters have the ability to [nearly] kill off a whole spellcard, where as Gpop is always stuck trying to kill it no matter what. The two-three seconds of invincibility is not really worth making up for the lack of power, considering the other character bombs are also invincible. Think of that stupid character from SA, where she is granted that field of invincibility for a certain time, and if you don't use it you get 0.5 of your power back. What a piece of shit bomb.
There's a distinct lack of a homing type so far so one of Rou's shot types should probably have homing elements. As for the other one... hm.
Sure. I'm trying to avoid direct homing like Reimu's in almost all the games, maybe a workaround like Sanae A. Not because it isn't programmable (the former would actually be easier), but because I hate homing characters to the very core of their existance, but I understand that most people will want to play the easy character.
Rou, Pesco: What if you had a score multiplier, but only when unfocused? Focused would be increased power (Because Pesco is actually contributing more), but a loss of score bonus (Because Pesco is >:| for Rou having to rely on him so no score bonus for him)
This is genius. But is it programmable?
Yes. How about the multiplier increases the more you graze over time (like SA)?
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Yes. How about the multiplier increases the more you graze over time (like SA)?
I'm happy to go with a risk-for-reward flavour. How different from SA can we make it?
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I wouldn't be able to quantify the limit that can be done, so you'll just have to suggest things and I'll give the yes or no. More often than not, it's possible, so don't worry about truly batshit ideas. Which is kind of why I keep asking in this thread for opinions, because you guys are capable of pushing ideas beyond what I know how to code, which I like. Challenge
me
us.
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@Naut: I see where you're coming from. I think we addressed some of those issues by proposing that Gpop's no-damage bomb only uses half a bomb fragment, but i'm still interested if we could make this idea work and be satisfactory for everyone.
What if, when you use it by itself it only uses half-bomb, does no damage, and gives invulnerability, but if you use it as a Death-bomb it explodes and functions more like a normal bomb that deals damage? It could have a little bit lower bomb damage to compensate for the dual functionality. Or instead, you could make the nodamage bomb activate if you use a bomb unfocused, while the damage bomb activate when you are focused?
Going off the first idea I proposed, more time spent unfocused ---> score multiplier goes up to a max of a certain amount? The other reason I just thought of why this would be neat, is because it would basically make Rou the choice pick for unfocused runs (plus, competitive unfocused score runs might actually be feasable in this case)
But I guess being boring and doing graze-->multiplier would be good too. ;) But this would almost certainly make Rou the only good scoring type in the game, wouldn't it?
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I'll discuss all this much more later, but just saying there already is a graze multiplier. If Rou gets a power boost unfocused and a score multipler unfocused, we could just add it in.
I also like the idea of returned power upon death being proportional to the stage.
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As much as I hate to throw Alice under the bus, I have been wanting to get into the Ijiatsu 'verse, and if Rou needs another partner, I'm there.
I'm considering, then, for Rou A to have something like a snake option to emulate Shou's curvy lasers. Does that make sense?
Oh, this gives me a good idea. I was thinking of something along the lines of UFO SanaeA (my favorite UFO shot type, and snakey to boot), or maybe PCB SakuyaB, but maybe we can come up with something that borrows from both:
Suppose that initially, I shoot out curvy lasers that go back and forth enough to cover a straight vertical column in front of Rou. Moving unfocused to the left causes the leftward oscillation of the lasers to become more exaggerated compared to their rightward oscillation, and vice versa for unfocused motion to the right. Focusing locks in the lasers' properties, like with PCB SakuyaB. The result of this should be that at close range, the lasers are hitting stuff directly in front of Rou, but as they get further away, their net motion curves more and more in one direction.
How's that for batshit?
Regarding other shot gimmicks, I fully support doing away with a ReimuA style flawless homing attack, but some sort of partial homing shot type (like PCB Sakuya A) might be cool to have available. I'm also wary of having any shot type's gimmick be purely score-related, as most players are probably going to ignore score in a game where it doesn't directly net you extra lives.
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I support this, if only because I personally would think it'd be hilarious and perfectly fitting for Rou to have a curvy laser attack.
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I am happy to not be the only person who remembers this. :)
is it bad that i forgot even though i was the one that started the thread? :V
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I am happy to not be the only person who remembers this. :)
Best derail ever.
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Random crazy idea I had: design an Embodiment pattern for each stage as if the Embodiment was going to be there throughout the entire stage, so as to complement whatever's currently on the screen. And then, of course, it's only active if there is an Embodiment present.
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Best derail ever.
is it bad that i forgot even though i was the one that started the thread? :V
Slaves needs at least one spell card that involves trains or the derailing of trains, and makes a reference to 2012.
DO NOT FORGET THIS ANYONE. It is very important. Enough symbolism to make an English major cry.
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Slaves needs at least one spell card that involves trains or the derailing of trains, and makes a reference to 2012.
DO NOT FORGET THIS ANYONE. It is very important. Enough symbolism to make an English major cry.
But Slaves has train danmaku already~
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Slaves needs at least one spell card that involves trains or the derailing of trains
uh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAJaJj362MM&feature=channel)
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Slaves needs at least one spell card that involves trains or the derailing of trains, and makes a reference to 2012.
DO NOT FORGET THIS ANYONE. It is very important. Enough symbolism to make an English major cry.
Stolen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZxBYItj2sM#t=3m56s)
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uh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAJaJj362MM&feature=channel)
and makes a reference to 2012.
Name the spell card Origin[The Derail of 2012], and we're all set. :V
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Name the spell card Origin[The Derail of 2012], and we're all set. :V
Stolen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZxBYItj2sM#t=3m56s)
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Which: Red = original (top right) rest is improvised colours. (other color suggestions are welcome as well )
NOTE: This is about the colour of the spellcircle reading the text: "Border of Idiocy" not the other ones :V
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2eodzk7.png)
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I kinda like the pink/lower-left - still has a lot of pop on a wide variety of background colors like the red, but a little less harsh.
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Red stands out the best, though blue goes best since Idiot Energy is light blue.
Then again, it's hard to tell exactly what stands out best, if we don't plan on having a psychedelic disco floor background in the actual game. :V
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Images.
Well, Blue appears to be the color of choice for the idiot hierarchy, so going with blue on principal. :V
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Then again, it's hard to tell exactly what stands out best, if we don't plan on having a psychedelic disco floor background in the actual game. :V
's true, but the fact that the disco floor has so many colors helps a little.
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I intentionally used my own Afro BG because it has quite the varies in colours so it shows how it would stand out in a crowded background. Just don't forget nothing is being OFFICIAL with the opinions given. It is just taken into my photoshop file and then later on judge again how it looks when we are demorolling or something.
Because eventually the image will be put into one file like ZUN does and from there called into the engine. But that doesn't mean it can be modified later ( as the PSD file remains ) =)
EDIT:
FFFFFF Drake I waited for you and Naut long time in channel on irc but you didn't show up. I'll pm you the code in PM :V
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Naut: After some thought, the no-damage Gpop bomb is sort of awkward. Bombs are meant to clear the screen, so not doing damage is sort of against that.
...But did you have to diss Nitori? ;_;
Hele: I like the blue, myself, though on a strangely related note I can see a kappa border there. STOP, HELE(ry
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FFFFFF Drake I waited for you and Naut long time in channel on irc but you didn't show up. I'll pm you the code in PM :V
Considering you started the comment with "Drake", I just didn't message you for the three hours I was on IRC earlier today because it seemed like you only wanted him, but ok.
Naut: After some thought, the no-damage Gpop bomb is sort of awkward. Bombs are meant to clear the screen, so not doing damage is sort of against that.
colon vee
...But did you have to diss Nitori? ;_;
Yes sir, yes I did.
Which:
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Use different colors for different bosses.
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...But did you have to diss Nitori? ;_;
C'mon, I <3 Nitori too but SA MarisaC is pretty crap. =P
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Naut: After some thought, the no-damage Gpop bomb is sort of awkward. Bombs are meant to clear the screen, so not doing damage is sort of against that.
Whether you get hit or not will clear the screen.
And if you guys are really against it, then you could make the shot-type 2x stronger in the bomb duration =/.
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Or I could cast huge fucking lasers around the screen blowing the shit out of everything
But if you really want such a one dimentional bomb then ok :(
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Or I could cast huge fucking lasers around the screen blowing the shit out of everything
But if you really want such a one dimentional bomb then ok :(
You can use that for GpopA.
I dunno what the bomb is gonna be for that so do whatever you want with that then.
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I wouldn't be able to quantify the limit that can be done, so you'll just have to suggest things and I'll give the yes or no. More often than not, it's possible, so don't worry about truly batshit ideas. Which is kind of why I keep asking in this thread for opinions, because you guys are capable of pushing ideas beyond what I know how to code, which I like. Challenge me
us.
My original idea was to have base item values higher than normal. Could we implement the multiplier to work off how many point items he's collected? Like every 100 point items gives him an additional 0.10 on top of the game's normal scoring multiplier. I want something that encourages 100% collection.
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My original idea was to have base item values higher than normal. Could we implement the multiplier to work off how many point items he's collected? Like every 100 point items gives him an additional 0.10 on top of the game's normal scoring multiplier. I want something that encourages 100% collection.
Serpentarius mentioned earlier that a character that gets a point bonus as their gimmick is kind of lame, and I have to agree with him now. Something less point driven might be a better choice, since score runs will always be best with your character.
You can use that for GpopA.
I dunno what the bomb is gonna be for that so do whatever you want with that then.
:D
Suppose that initially, I shoot out curvy lasers that go back and forth enough to cover a straight vertical column in front of Rou. Moving unfocused to the left causes the leftward oscillation of the lasers to become more exaggerated compared to their rightward oscillation, and vice versa for unfocused motion to the right. Focusing locks in the lasers' properties, like with PCB SakuyaB. The result of this should be that at close range, the lasers are hitting stuff directly in front of Rou, but as they get further away, their net motion curves more and more in one direction.
Yeah totally forgot to respond to this earlier:
[idiotteim]
I'm having trouble picturing what you mean, so here are my guesses...
(http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/Nautth/laserguess.jpg)
Am I close?
[/idiotteim]
How's that for batshit?
I like the way you think. Even if I can't even understand it.
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Okay, now that we seem to be on a relatively good roll for contribution in terms of posting it's probably a good time to ask this.
Is it possible to keep this thread for discussion of/contribution to the actual game, rather than fanart/background info? While I will admit that the fanart is what kept the project going, it's getting at some points to the extent where actual progress is missed because everyone's looking at the latest artwork. Also, it'll help in terms of getting people to speak up and produce.
I don't want to come off as trying to ruin everyone's fun by asking this, but if we're actually going to go the whole way with this game then it pretty much needs to be done. If we're going to piss off the entire Touhou community with a shrinemaiden.org self-insert game, then by Kanako it's gonna be a damn good self-insert game.
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I would've thought that contributions to the game itself would go into the stickied thread (which is an information thread, granted, but it seems more suitable for contributions, while this thread would be for any fanworks or whatever)
Or maybe have 2 threads, one for contributions and one for everything else (which is what I think is the best way to solve this)
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I would've thought that contributions to the game itself would go into the stickied thread (which is an information thread, granted, but it seems more suitable for contributions, while this thread would be for any fanworks or whatever)
It's mainly for presenting everything that's been produced, game-wise and fanwork-wise. Doesn't seem appropriate.
Or maybe have 2 threads, one for contributions and one for everything else (which is what I think is the best way to solve this)
This I was considering. Can I get a quick vote on public opinion with this?
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We've had this topic brought up in the past of introducing more threads for organization, but what if we had a subforum just for Ijiyatsu stuff? If TSO would be up to making one, of course. The Dating Service has its own subforum and this project has gotten pretty large already, so I think we'd be able to make use of the organization and extra space.
That way, there'd be one less sticky and one less eternal topic on CPMC, and we can actually see what we've done so far by looking at previous topics. It's easy for people to miss whole topics because this thread moves too fast.
I think this is by far the best option. I mean, I know i'm not the only one here who has spent a ton of time digging through old discussion threads just to find something.
EDIT: Let me clarify a bit. We could have a general discussion thread in this subforum as well just for comments that wouldn't warrant a whole topic, but when we start getting involved in one topic, we can split off the discussion into a separate topic so we'd be more organized.
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I like Nobu's plan (of course provided TSO is willing to make the subforum =P), but the general vs. directly game-related separate threads is cool if not.
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FINE DESTROY MY INFO THREAD IF YOU WANT THEN ;_;
If the topic is going to be splitted, can I be the one who organize the fanworks? :V
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FINE DESTROY MY INFO THREAD IF YOU WANT THEN ;_;
It can go in the subforum too~
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I am against a subforum because I'd stop paying attention to it; having a generalized thread is easier. ;_;
Also I call Manipulation of Manipulation as my ability. =[
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Nwbi, nothing would happen to the information thread except it'd be moved, it's still useful to have all the major info stuff compiled into one place. :3 And that's all you baby.
Purv: :dwi?: =[
But seriously, with one generalized thread is a lot harder to keep track of what's already been said, and talk about multiple topics at once (we've seen how topics have been buried before), and it'd be nice to have a place to branch off to by having another subforum.
We could still have the general discussion thread, and when topics branch off or new topics are started they can be linked here for you lazy bums :P
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I just missed a whole shitload of stuff and now I need a recap. First of all though, I really don't care whether this stays in one thread or we get a su-
[20:17] <Drake> HOLY
[20:17] <Drake> YOUKAI
[20:17] <Drake> JESUS
[20:17] <Drake> HELE ILU SO HARD
bforum.
Wow. This is great.
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Subforum where?
also swimsuit pic sdgdfshnsfj
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I'm for another subforum. That way we can have threads like fanart, fiction, programming, dialogue, and anything related into one subforum without cluttering up one thread.
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I just missed a whole shitload of stuff and now I need a recap. First of all though, I really don't care whether this stays in one thread or we get a su-
[20:17] <Drake> HOLY
[20:17] <Drake> YOUKAI
[20:17] <Drake> JESUS
[20:17] <Drake> HELE ILU SO HARD
bforum.
Wow. This is great.
You miss much, aside from 'Helepolis is fantastic', but this is hardly new information. :V
I just think the subforum or at the very least multiple threadswould be a boon to productivity, since things would be more organized, we could have multiple topics going at one time and an easy way to see what we've done, and(ry
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I'm just worried this game is starting to piss the mods off now, so expecting them to give the game its own subforum is gah. See Edible for the most vocal example. -_-
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IMO:
Stick with it as it now is. The scripters have made their own thread in Rika's section where we post Danmakufu related contribution this includes ingame images / sprites and such.
It doesn't bother me atleast ( don't know about the other scripters )
About the spellcircle: Seems various opinions are given and thus making it harder to choose a temporarely placeholder ( meaning I yet have to make the final choice again :V ) ohwell, little longer time granted.
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Or we could, you know, post strictly game-related ideas on the Programming Thread instead. But nobody seems to look at Rika's Garage, so. :V
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The problem is a lot of that stuff doesn't really fall under programming - things like dialogue, music etc.
Anyway, it seems like right now we're doing okay in terms of not overflowing with fanart, so we'll probably survive keeping it as it is for now. If things get hectic, again, though, I'll probably make a separate threat for fanart/fanon etc.
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so I guess from here on I will post fanart in my art thread then... that is if it survives another wipe.
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Anyway, it seems like right now we're doing okay in terms of not overflowing with fanart, so we'll probably survive keeping it as it is for now. If things get hectic, again, though, I'll probably make a separate threat for fanart/fanon etc.
Yeah, we need more fanworks to clobber this thread. \o/
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I'm having trouble picturing what you mean
I probably should've just posted a picture in the first place:
(http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1043/serpgotcurves.jpg)
Note that the lines indicate shooting, not stinking.
I like the way you think. Even if I can't even understand it.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said that to me, I'd already have my upper atmospheric doom castle.
I'm just worried this game is starting to piss the mods off now, so expecting them to give the game its own subforum is gah. See Edible for the most vocal example. -_-
Edible is grumpy moe. If the mods wanted to shut this thing down, we'd know about it by now.
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serpgotcurves.jpg
Whoaaa Raiden
Edible is grumpy moe. If the mods wanted to shut this thing down, we'd know about it by now.
I don't really see Edible this way, though. He'll approach the matter in another way if he was unhappy about it.
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Rou and Serp: You could've just said "PCB SakuyaB but with curvy lasers". =V
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Whoaaa Raiden
Damn, now I worry that Ruro's going to give my Ijiyatsu self a straw hat.
I don't really see Edible this way, though. He'll approach the matter in another way if he was unhappy about it.
This is what I was trying to get at. :V
Rou and Serp: You could've just said "PCB SakuyaB but with curvy lasers". =V
It's not quite the same - what I was trying to get at with my drawing was that the sideways shots don't go off at a constant angle, but instead arc across the screen.
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In lieu of Serpentarius' post, I took it upon myself to propose 3 different ideas for GpopB (me)
In black is the main shot, in red is the shot-type effect.
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7091/typea.jpg)
Type A: straight, zig-zag. Self-explanatory
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/185/typeb.jpg)
Type B: straight, split, dependent on location, encompasses entire screen. Weak shots that can cover all parts of the screen dependent on player location.
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6930/typecy.jpg)
Type C: curved, random selected spots for hitting. The entire curve counts as the shot itself, and will damage anything it comes into contact with.
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Er, Trance-kun.. GPopB is already being worked on. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3577.msg152668#msg152668) It's a Youmu/Myon-like shot type.
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In other words I fail at reading Rika's Garage.
Disregard my shit then. Le sigh.
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I like the random curve idea, looks pretty groovy actually.
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In other words I fail at reading Rika's Garage.
Disregard my shit then. Le sigh.
Hey, Rou A and B are still in the works. So your ideas still contribute to the pool of shot types ideas we can consider.
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In other words I fail at reading Rika's Garage.
Disregard my shit then. Le sigh.
I can change it if people think your ideas are better.
The last one is kinda cool but has extremely random DPS (or I can just select predetermined spots from an array at random, then refresh the array once it's depleted... Which will give the look of random shooting, but the dps will be consistant to most of the spots above the player over a certain time period, say, three or four seconds. Don't worry -- the programmers know what I mean). The shot type will look very messy though.
Maybe some fusion of idea #1 and #3...
I probably should've just posted a picture in the first place:
serpgotcurves.jpg
Note that the lines indicate shooting, not stinking.
This is the effect I was trying to picture in guess #2, but my MSPaint fails. \o/
Also, fucking lasers. It's doable though, if anybody agrees with the idea. Keep in mind, however, with so much additive blending (drawing curved lasers), some people may suffer significant slowdown, so I might have to convert the shot type to actual bullets instead of lasers, to spare people the computer bleed.
Damn guys whats with all the lasers
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Damn guys whats with all the lasers
Cuz lazors r awsom
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Damn guys whats with all the lasers
Rou = Shou. And Shou = CURVED LASERS OF DOOM
But seriously, dunno. :V We should have at least one laser shot type though, I think.
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We can have explosions AND lasers!
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We can have explosions AND lasers!
And less than 20 FPS
seriously guys think of the processor impaired
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And less than 20 FPS
seriously guys think of the processor impaired
sux2bu
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And less than 20 FPS
seriously guys think of the processor impaired
Sounds like ZengarA and B needs MORE ADDITIVE BLENDING
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Serp's idea sounds a lot like Beast Wing@laser.
Note that the sinusoidal code I made for demonbman is fairly similar and could probably be done with a few edits.
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Also, fucking lasers. It's doable though, if anybody agrees with the idea. Keep in mind, however, with so much additive blending (drawing curved lasers), some people may suffer significant slowdown, so I might have to convert the shot type to actual bullets instead of lasers, to spare people the computer bleed.
You know what you doing. Take off every superfluous processor hog.
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I'll experiment and probably post several versions of what can be done.
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I might get started on a few graphic things, but I'm going to need opinions often. As for this...
*attached
Which style do you like the most? Or maybe a slightly different one? Of course I don't mean the fonts involved, either.
Sorry, I didn't say it right. I'm not going to use any of the three styles exactly, I want to know what attributes of the three people like the most. Telling me which one you like the most doesn't really give me any details.
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Personally, I think the first one looks the best~
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I like the first one. It's colourful!
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The first is nice, but the second has a lot of potential. We could even make it Newbie Class, Idiot Princess Class, Idiot Maiden Class, Idiot Deity Class, and Special Member Class or something like that. Just an idea.
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You need for OMES.
(Random fact: in PCB, the Phantasm stage is a not-quite-remix of the Extra stage, with the same tempo and with the key shifted up a couple notes and a different intro. And the stage 2 theme also has the same temp, and the key shifted down the same number of notes. Should we do something with that?)
~That was only because of Chen. It's not something that people would notice, anyways.
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You need for OMES.
(Random fact: in PCB, the Phantasm stage is a not-quite-remix of the Extra stage, with the same tempo and with the key shifted up a couple notes and a different intro. And the stage 2 theme also has the same temp, and the key shifted down the same number of notes. Should we do something with that?)
The OMES stage theme should just be this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN2hntZBIUQ) :V
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Come on now Suikama what the fuck
at least link to the video with the blue people (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH-0s0pRleg)
i mean god damn
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1st one if you want PCB / IN ( Classic fuck yea )
2nd one if you want happy UFO or w/e style used
I vote for first one. ( also I like the text better on the first one for difficulty levels )
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Sorry, I didn't say it right. I'm not going to use any of the three styles exactly, I want to know what attributes of the three people like the most. Telling me which one you like the most doesn't really give me any details.
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Come on now Suikama what the fuck
at least link to the video with the blue people (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH-0s0pRleg)
i mean god damn
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3297744465_7dd2f698de.jpg)
The style of the first looks best by itself, but I'm not sure how it would look with a background
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Come on now Suikama what the fuck
at least link to the video with the blue people (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH-0s0pRleg)
i mean god damn
Jesus that was the best OVA ever Y/Y
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Sorry, I didn't say it right. I'm not going to use any of the three styles exactly, I want to know what attributes of the three people like the most. Telling me which one you like the most doesn't really give me any details.
1st Style Font: Easy - Normal - Hard - Lunatic - Extra - OMES
2nd Style Colors: Green - Blue - Red - Purple - Brown/Gold - (my recommendation) Gray/Silver
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Jesus that was the best OVA ever Y/Y
It's actually a movie
I actually watched the entire thing once with a friend. It's surprisingly long.
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It's actually a movie
OVA, movie, whatever
it was fucking great
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i'm still waiting lol
Up to now, I'm using the font similar to MoF for the actual difficulty names, and using the colors from SA. That's not much to go on.
On the other hand, I got really bored so I decided to hack at the dialogue boxes.
(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1481/front00.png)
And here's an example with some of Donut's dialogue and UFO Stage 1+Sanae underneath.
(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/3479/front00sample.png)
EDIT: Note that only the partner text is white. Player has aqua and enemy has light red.
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Is it any easier to read in color?
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I think the background needs to be a little darker.
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I'm gonna Rou yer boat
(http://i49.tinypic.com/27xqkyc.gif)
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Rou, Rou, Rou your boat, gently down the stream.....
Anyway, yeah, the right side of the box looks a little bright. :S
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I'm gonna Rou yer boat
(http://i49.tinypic.com/27xqkyc.gif)
oh co-
Rou yer boat
asfklhad;ghdls;gjkf
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I'm gonna Rou yer boat
(http://i49.tinypic.com/27xqkyc.gif)
That hair movement is kinda creepy...
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(http://i49.tinypic.com/27xqkyc.gif)
This hand of mine glows with an awesome power...
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This hand of mine glows with an awesome power...
(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/Cadmas/touhou-china.jpg)
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I like the design of the dialog boxes, but I think it's stands out a little bit too much for a background, it sorta seems like it's competing with the text for attention.
This is just an idea (I realize it would make for a lot more work), but what about colors that go with the character? They wouldn't have to be really strong colors, but i'm thinking more like white in the center that fades to color with a black border. I think it's a nice subtle touch to the colored text approach, and it'd probably look pretty good. Just an idea.
I forgot about the OMES: How about OMEGA JEW YOU WA BAN Administrator Class? Hehe. (Not saying we should definitely go with that style, but if we did I think those would work well.
@Skye: Looks good, but the hair looks kinda off. I think it's because it looks like one big solid piece moving back and forth instead of hair.
@Everyone: I think there's one of two approaches we can take about Rou resembling Meiling. One, change her hair color, or two, make sure to make fun of Rou somewhere in the game for resembling her. :V
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(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc110/Cadmas/touhou-china.jpg)
(http://blog.psiuppernorton.com/uploads/image/advice_csi%20miami.jpg)
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I'm not quite sure what Nobu means. (EDIT: PM contents = good to know)
Stage 1 UFO probably wasn't the best example though because the stage BG competes as well as it isn't moving. Anywho I lowered the transparency. I thickened the outline and put in the other colors too.
(http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/7158/front00sample2.png)
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7158/front00sample2.png)
goo goo g'joob
As for the sprite, the bottom of her dress-thing should flap just a little faster (like one or two frames faster?) and her hair shouldn't just flip and stop because lolwindphysics. Make it flip a little less at the bottom and then after, flip near the top as well. Otherwise super yes~
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Drake: Forget what I meant, those look sweet. :V
I think that red is suitable for boss, but maybe we could switch blue so that it's with the partner and have white for the player? I feel like white is more suitable as the 'primary' player text color.
I don't care either way; what do other people think?
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Mmm, maybe. Or have the partner some other color that's darker than the main-text.
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fasidh;osdafladhbgdf dialogue boxes are HOLYCRAPAWESOME
Seconding the hair problem with the Rou sprite, though - it seems to just flop back into place.
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Drake throw that dialogue box on a ZUN stage bg from some random game and place two portraits against eachother just to get the total feeling from it, easier to judge that way.
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goo goo g'joob
Indeed.
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(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5515/sampleeeeee.png)
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Poor Nitori doesn't know what the doop.
Looks fine to me. It shouldn't be that hard to tweak later on if we decide we need to, right?
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Poor Nitori doesn't know what the doop.
Looks fine to me. It shouldn't be that hard to tweak later on if we decide we need to, right?
Nope. Not at all.
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I made a slight improvement on Rou's animation
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MoFhasawesomestagebg.jpg
Looks good to me. Doesn't stand out too much as an object image and neither unreadable. I'd say temporarely placeholder folder, go.
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(http://i48.tinypic.com/2w58281.gif)
Still has the same "hair chunk" effect, to me. Just a less obvious one.
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For my bomb, will it be possible to force all targeted shots to be aimed at a specified point instead of at the player for the bomb's duration? It should basically make it useful for stages only and suicide during spells.
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Alrighty, a good chunk of the dialogue code works now. If you have danmakufu, go test it out. Just put it in a folder and run 'strings'.
http://www.mediafire.com/?mhb2l2omarg (http://www.mediafire.com/?mhb2l2omarg)
It's just five lines right now though, not that it matters.
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Alrighty, a good chunk of the dialogue code works now. If you have danmakufu, go test it out. Just put it in a folder and run 'strings'.
http://www.mediafire.com/?mhb2l2omarg (http://www.mediafire.com/?mhb2l2omarg)
It's just five lines right now though, not that it matters.
p. fuckin' coo
I half expected the thing to kill you as it was clearing, tho. But I guess you're no Suikama
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p. fuckin' coo
I half expected the thing to kill you as it was clearing, tho. But I guess you're no Suikama
Hello
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Hello
Yo
What's up
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I love how the text background changes depending on who's speaking. A nice little effect even if most people probably wouldn't notice it.
Also you guys have been doing so much that I'm not sure where I can help anymore (derp). Is there anything that needs attention but no one is working on atm?
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Only thing I can think of right now is some CreateShotEx functions. If it's possible for you to do, I would like to recreate the default CreateShot functions with the same parameters and effects, so that later we can control even CreateShot01 bullets with other things. Of course these are done with object bullets.
The main example I'm envisioning right now, if we recreate the CreateShot functions, then we can create a new bullets-to-items function by activating commondata that deletes the bullets and replaces them with the yellow faith items that soar towards the player. It can make room for easily calling fairly complicated patterns and it'll just be really, really helpful in general.
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Only thing I can think of right now is some CreateShotEx functions. If it's possible for you to do, I would like to recreate the default CreateShot functions with the same parameters and effects, so that later we can control even CreateShot01 bullets with other things. Of course these are done with object bullets.
The main example I'm envisioning right now, if we recreate the CreateShot functions, then we can create a new bullets-to-items function by activating commondata that deletes the bullets and replaces them with the yellow faith items that soar towards the player. It can make room for easily calling fairly complicated patterns and it'll just be really, really helpful in general.
Hmm. I wonder if that would be hard on the processor. Anyways I'll try some stuff out.
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For my bomb, will it be possible to force all targeted shots to be aimed at a specified point instead of at the player for the bomb's duration? It should basically make it useful for stages only and suicide during spells.
Any ideas on this possibility yet?
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Hmm. I wonder if that would be hard on the processor. Anyways I'll try some stuff out.
It shouldn't, as far as I can tell... All the default shots are objects anyways and are just based on a function that's hardcoded into Danmakufu. It might use some shortcuts, but it should be nearly the same.
Any ideas on this possibility yet?
Sorry, switching homing angles from the player is pretty much impossible and even if it were, would take a stupid amount of coding.
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For my bomb, will it be possible to force all targeted shots to be aimed at a specified point instead of at the player for the bomb's duration? It should basically make it useful for stages only and suicide during spells.
It would double the amount of time the game takes to code, but yeah, it's possible.
It shouldn't, as far as I can tell... All the default shots are objects anyways and are just based on a function that's hardcoded into Danmakufu. It might use some shortcuts, but it should be nearly the same.
Changing all their properties in one frame using the shitty object coding functions will cause a farily large fps spike.
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I guess that's why ZUN has them switch to items in the expanding circle? I was thinking of doing the same, but instead the circle expanding from the player so there's no bullshit-I-cleared-that-card deaths. Even if we don't do something like this I would like CreateShotEx functions anyways. If it hogs resources then we can just scrap the ones that use the defaults just by changing the function name anyways, if they use the same parameters.
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I prefer the idea of just making you invincible while the card is dying, like ZUN did in previous games.
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I prefer the idea of just making you invincible while the card is dying, like ZUN did in previous games.
... oh. That explains how I survived once on Duplex Danmaku Bounded Field when it really looked like I should have died. :V
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I enjoyed it whenever people complained they failed to 1cc a mode because they died when Subterranean Sun was exploding.
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I prefer the idea of just making you invincible while the card is dying, like ZUN did in previous games.
Seconding this.
Also, just wondering... is there a way to program Spellcard Armor, UFO style?
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I prefer the idea of just making you invincible while the card is dying, like ZUN did in previous games.
Oh yeah, I guess that would work for not killing you too :V
I'm afraid I don't know what you're talking about, dear Zengar.
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I'm afraid I don't know what you're talking about, dear Zengar.
If you bomb and then a card starts, it will NOT receive any kind of damage until your bomb is over.
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If you bomb and then a card starts, it will NOT receive any kind of damage until your bomb is over.
SetInvincibility(around3sec)
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Or rather, just ask OnBomb in Initialize of a spell/non and if true, set a variable to true and invincibility to some number. In the MainLoop, if said variable is true, ask if OnBomb again and it repeats until the bomb is over, then gets rid of invincibility.
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Huh, it was easier than I thought. But then I don't think any bomb will be long enough to get through regular card armor, tho.
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But then I don't think any bomb will be long enough to get through regular card armor, tho.
No epic UFO styled bombs? I am disappoint.
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doublepostan, thread needs a bump
Skye, if you get Rou's sprite completed soon, it would be awesome if you could send it to me.
Also, I went with a "homing curving electricity laser" for RouA, since Serp's idea slows Danmakufu down to a crawl (I'll still probably use it, but it would be in bullet form instead of laser, if anything). Most inspiration for the next shot type (which I'll post when I get Rou sprites) came from this picture:
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6930/typecy.jpg)
Type C: curved, random selected spots for hitting. The entire curve counts as the shot itself, and will damage anything it comes into contact with.
And Mushihimesama Futari's blue shot type with those blue laser arcs, whichever one that is.
I also lied about not having an absolute homing type, this shot type is about as homing as it gets. As a balance precaution, a lot of the damage will be done by your main shots (the pencils) instead of the four homing electrical laser arcs of death.
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And Mushihimesama Futari's blue shot type with those blue laser arcs, whichever one that is.
Abnormal Palm.
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Rou A pre alpha (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3577.msg171807#msg171807) is available for testing, and needs bomb ideas.
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top tier sprite Naut
GJ
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Yeah so if nobody saw it yet I finished the dialogue functions. (Also I edited the cutins for different faces olololol)
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3577.msg172936#msg172936
Hele also made the burning effect behind the character which is friggin sweet and we're debating what Pesco's bomb should be doing.
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aoiasjdiasdasohif I can't wait until I have time to actually mess with all this stuff.
*goes back to essays*
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Oh yes, I forgot. Before I start work on the Graze bar, I want to know how the image should be done. Should it be the same as in the games with a cell-phone reception bar, or something different?
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Something else, since cellphones aren't really relavent at all this time.
Maybe like a brain or something that fills up (with idiocy lol)
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I'm fine with a bar that fills with color and flashes all over the place when you're grazing like a mother
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What if we made the graze meter into a battery meter? It fits with the hint of Bemani influence from the "One More Extra Stage", it wouldn't be directly ripping off from anything too. And when it fills up, it can be flashing with the little lightning bolt in the center (kinda like an iPod battery meter)
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At the very least, something like a Pop'n Music Groove gauge would be awesome. Good ideaaaaaaa I can work with this.
Also, what the hell does Bemani use as it's logo's font. I could use that for the difficulty images at the top of the screen, too.
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At the very least, something like a Pop'n Music Groove gauge would be awesome. Good ideaaaaaaa I can work with this.
I beg your pardon? :V
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