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Title: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Polaris on February 27, 2018, 06:03:31 PM
Thought it would be nice to have a thread dedicated to discussing new chapters of the manga as they come out. I thought the latest chapter (chapter 10) in particular was especially interesting so I feel like we could have some interesting discussion. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Shizzo on February 27, 2018, 06:44:53 PM
Hidden Star in Four Seasons 2 is looking pretty great so far!

Heh, jokes aside, I've really enjoyed the cameos in this episode.  There's been a ton of them compared to previous chapters, I'm impressed.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Suspicious person on February 27, 2018, 07:36:00 PM
Personally, I'm just glad that the manga became monthly. I was kinda worried that it'd take 6 month for the last story (chapter 9) to fully develop, especially with the coming back of the FS formula where we get a setup in a first chapter and a resolution in a second one.

Anyway, I feel like the latest chapter (chapter 10 9.5 or 9 part 2, whatever ...) brought a number of clarification and some new stuff (but nothing TOO important), particularly regarding the fact that
the true nature of Clownpiece's madness inducing power is essentially her messing with other people's lifeforces, consistent with fairies' lifeforce powers ; and the fact that Larva somehow got hold of some of the unusual lifeforce from HSiFS and is pretty good at actively making use of it, unlike some people ; and the fact that giant butterfly wings apparently double as a coat ; and the fact that Eternity seems to have both a sense of reserve and actual common sense (omg Piece you *don't* start trouble around the police
; all in all a pretty ordinary chapter : nothing too major happened, some new-but-not-groundbreaking revelations were given. Maybe the thing that you could consider to be somewhat "major" that happened in this chapter is
Clownpiece meeting Eternity
: what new horizons does that opens, particularly in regards to the possible mischiefs or games that could be done in the future ? Or stuff happening in general, idk.

There doesn't seem to be some sort of supper hidden secret implication in this chapter (chapter 10) that already weren't in the previous chapters imo. Compared to other touhou stuff like SSiB or WaHH, this seems to be a pretty transparent and self explanatory Touhou manga. So, all in all, uh, not much to say that hasn't already been said in the manga  :X



Anyway, on a side note, while it has already been fairly obvious, this chapter makes it even more evident that lifeforce is gonna be the central theme for this manga series. This makes me wonder if we'll get Narumi and / or Okina in the future to give an expert perspective on lifeforce, or at least to give some manner of demonstration of their ability towards it.

Also is it me or the three fairies are getting their manga hijacked from them
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Polaris on February 27, 2018, 10:18:26 PM
Yeah I like that this manga in particular has the much stronger theme of lifeforce being under the fairies' control, compared to the previous iterations of the three fairies' manga. I dunno why it took until this chapter to realize it but in retrospect it's really obvious from previous chapters, with the Hanasaka Jii-san chapter and the Tanabata chapter and fairies doing some crazy things.

I think the reveal this chapter also recontextualizes Hecatia having Clownpiece stay in Gensokyo. At first it seemed to be going for Piece being an outsider that doesn't really fit in (having this weird power of making people go mad and being generally un-fairy-like) with the story eventually having her fit in, but now we know that her power is something that's extremely fairy-like when used in the right way (which really puts her in the running for, dare I say it, the strongest fairy). So it could turn into less of an "outsider finding her place in Gensokyo" story and more of a "going back to her fairy roots" story?

^ also that's a good point about Narumi and/or Okina showing up, I never actually considered that they could show up in this manga but they'd definitely fall right into place thematically. Makes me excited for future chapters more than I've ever been for the previous fairy mangas.

It also makes me wonder if ZUN planned all this out in advance or if he's just making it up as he goes along, and either way it's pretty impressive how well everything ended up being tied together.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Clarste on March 07, 2018, 08:07:16 AM
Fairies controlling lifeforce is pretty much spelled out in narration in chapter 3.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: the old guy on March 07, 2018, 07:32:36 PM
All I'm hoping is that ZUN finally does something with the hint that Larva is a descended Deity.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: andykhang on March 08, 2018, 10:06:02 AM
And I'm hoping that Star could be related to some aincient star goddess, but that isn't nessesary going to leave it with good character. Zun might just leave those hint as hint alone and that's that, and that could actually make the character more mysterious.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: PK on March 15, 2018, 02:31:47 PM
https://twitter.com/hirasaka8/status/974180128782565376

Damn.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Polaris on March 15, 2018, 10:24:36 PM
The tweet states that the next chapter will come out in April as per the original schedule (instead of March), and then after that the issues will come one month earlier, so the next next chapter is in June.

Was the February chapter just a special case? I don't really know what's going on :v
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: PK on March 16, 2018, 01:13:59 AM
One month earlier?
You mean it goes June-September-December etc, or it's actually a month less between chapters, making it bimonthly like WaHH?
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Polaris on March 16, 2018, 05:28:28 AM
The first one, I think.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: the old guy on March 18, 2018, 07:18:01 AM
And I'm hoping that Star could be related to some aincient star goddess, but that isn't nessesary going to leave it with good character. Zun might just leave those hint as hint alone and that's that, and that could actually make the character more mysterious.
This is late, but:
Larva being hinted as an deity is something that was literally stated in the game she was revealed in. Not like the weird thing you said about Star.

ZUN not telling us more about that would be counter productive, she's not like Sakuya, who's mysteriousness is a part of her character. Larva has been chosen by ZUN to be a major character in a manga all about the fairies, it would be a odd choice to not use that as an plot point somewhere, implied or not. Plus that stuff she did with Clownpiece's powers feels like ZUN is hinting at it in some indirect way.

I'm just interested in the story that could be told about that. Imagine if this manga ended with Okina paying Larva a visit, giving her some sort of offer that she rejects because it requires her to abandon her friends.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Clarste on March 21, 2018, 03:30:01 AM
For the record, my assumption whenever a fairy does anything big and notable is that they're acting as an avatar of nature itself. They've always had this power, they're just too dumb to use it effectively.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Lebon14 on April 26, 2018, 06:04:12 AM
So, actually chapter 10 just came out. You know where to read it. (last two chapters were chapter 9)

And huh.
I get the feeling that a new incident is brewing up. It'll be in Hell but there are chances that it affects Gensokyo directly.
.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: PK on April 26, 2018, 08:07:45 AM
Wooh, this
definitely smells like an incoming incident. And with Hecatia and Hell itself no less! I hope it doesn't get resolved offscreen.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: CyberAngel on April 26, 2018, 08:30:41 AM
I doubt whatever is being foreshadowed will be resolved in the manga. It just feels too out of place. So I guess it can be a sign of
playable Piece in a future game
.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Polaris on April 27, 2018, 03:11:55 AM
tbh I feel like it would be a little out of place for Touhou for Hell's affairs to spill over into Gensokyo, even if it was in a game. But then again, I guess th15 had a relatively "serious" incident around the Lunar Capital, so maybe it'll be something like that, where .

Also it looks like Hecatia was wearing her Earth hat in this chapter, which was a fun little detail.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: PK on June 22, 2018, 12:29:24 AM
According to Hirasaka's tweets, it seems like he's doing the "chapter split in 2 parts" thing again. This means the second half is supposedly next month.
Also he mentions this time's story being important for Touhou's and VFiS's future development...?
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Lebon14 on June 22, 2018, 09:09:55 PM
"important" is a very underwhelming word with Zun. I wouldn't expect anything.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: PK on June 24, 2018, 10:46:43 PM
Can't argue with that :V

Anyway, the whole Hell thing seems to be relevant and might be leading to a game or a big narrative arc, and Hirasaka also says this story is quite long and will be going on for 4 chapters or something like that.
Since VFiS is quarterly (at least theoretically), it means that it should be complete in a year. This also coincides with the time we should be expecting another main game announcement from ZUN (one every 2 years).
So yeah, maybe this won't be "Touhou as a whole will be changed" important, but it might at least serve as the next game introduction.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Suspicious person on June 26, 2018, 05:44:46 PM
So much cynicism and indifference inside the latest Chapter 11. I see that although the land may bear the color of fantasy, it's denizens' hearts still be made of stone ... THIS is what happens when you let your children play too much danmaku games ...

Anyway, it seems that a lot of things may potentially go wrong, and oh so TERRIBLY wrong. In any case, it has been quite a while since I last read the older three fairies manga so I do not quite remember the circumstances that lead them to live where they are now, but I still kinda remember that their home tree(?) plays some sort of important-ish role when it comes to supporting the barrier.

Incidentally, if - big assumption here -
Clownpiece letting the flame part of her torch rest on the tree of the three fairies end up burning the tree
(like I said big assumption here), could that have some sort of unintended big effect and weaken the barrier ? Or we just get a minor
fire
incident that get resolved in a jiffy. Like, maybe the
Kappa are going to get dragged into the possible fire issue and solve it for everyone
in the next chapter or something ; and something happens with Clownpiece cuz she seems to have a bit of consciousness and decency unlike some other people (cue possible character developement ? Or nah, cuz she's a fairy ? Eh, we'll see)



Also this comes a bit late, but regarding the thing about the
Hell power struggle
introduced in Chapter 10 ... AFiEU Hecatia gives off this impression that she is not particularly interested in power but is more than glad to make use of it. Maybe this really is still about giving a good time to Clownpiece, but some sort of super big reason was needed to keep Clownpiece motivated, and the thing about the
Hell power struggle
kinda popped up as a convenient explanation ? Or she was serious all around, but c'mon, it's Hecatia. Like, maybe since
Hell is a meritocracy
, introducing a Super buff Fairy familiarised with powers that people down there don't exactly understand AND get said Fairy (who is on her side btw) to snatch some kind of important position amidst the
power struggle
could be a power play that basically gives Hecatia more power and control over
Hell
without having to do much of her own.

Personally, the way I view the reason why Hecatia puts Clownpiece in Gensokyo goes pretty much along the lines of how Shiiekeieeiek views things : primarily to give Clownpiece a good time. The rest, however seemingly important they may be, are actually secondary.

Also let's see if ZUN still remembers that Kishin chief Suiki dude is a thing, if he decides to give him some manner of relevance
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Lebon14 on June 26, 2018, 10:17:00 PM
Anyway, it seems that a lot of things may potentially go wrong, and oh so TERRIBLY wrong. In any case, it has been quite a while since I last read the older three fairies manga so I do not quite remember the circumstances that lead them to live where they are now, but I still kinda remember that their home tree(?) plays some sort of important-ish role when it comes to supporting the barrier.

Incidentally, if - big assumption here -
Clownpiece letting the flame part of her torch rest on the tree of the three fairies end up burning the tree
(like I said big assumption here), could that have some sort of unintended big effect and weaken the barrier ? Or we just get a minor
fire
incident that get resolved in a jiffy. Like, maybe the
Kappa are going to get dragged into the possible fire issue and solve it for everyone
in the next chapter or something ; and something happens with Clownpiece cuz she seems to have a bit of consciousness and decency unlike some other people (cue possible character developement ? Or nah, cuz she's a fairy ? Eh, we'll see)

You're reading waaaaaaaay too much into this.
Clowpiece is known to have control over the flame.
In VFiS chapter 5, it's implied that
Clownpiece is in control of its hellfire. So, her putting her stick next to the tree means nothing unless SHE decides that the fire starts burning the tree. So, that renders the point moot.

As for the Kappa side of things,
they're just taking advantage of the amount of water of the ravine. They caught the fairies laughing at them and will take them as immortal scapegoats for their "ride". As for the title of the chapter, it might just reference the noise rapids does to a dragon, hence "pseudo-dragon"
.

The Hell portion of things is not relevent yet. Until proven otherwise of course.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Suspicious person on June 26, 2018, 11:23:22 PM
Clowpiece is known to have control over the flame.
In VFiS chapter 5, it's implied that
Clownpiece is in control of its hellfire. So, her putting her stick next to the tree means nothing unless SHE decides that the fire starts burning the tree. So, that renders the point moot.
? I don't believe there is an instance where it was mentioned that Clownpiece got the power to dictate her fire to selectively burn such or such thing in particular. Also fires are not necessarily stuff that can come only from the use of an ability. I don't also recall there being a moment where it was said that Clownpiece has some kind of fire regulating ability, her powers have always been that of insanity inducement by means of lifeforce disruption for those who stare too much into her fire.

Regarding the flame on Clownpiece's torch, Chapter 9 part 2 pretty much explain how it works :
going by the remarks of Clownpiece, who's NEVER seen the torch be put off, it's pretty much safe to say it's a nigh inextinguishable fire ; and going by what the omniscient narrator says at the very end, the torch burns with the lifeforce of those who fell to Hell :
however special that sounds like, a flame is still a flame : it burns. Incidentally, that same chapter make it clear that
Clownpiece herself does not exactly understand how her torch works and does not have complete and perfect control over it.

The thing that made me give the argument - which, like I mentionned up there, makes the supposition 
that the tree house burns
- does not only take all of the above into account, but is also related to the unnatural and unarguably unnecessary close up of
the flame part of Clownpiece's torch leaning against the three fairies home tree(?) :
as far as I'm concerned, there would be no reason to put an emphasis on that if there is literally no sort of implication that could be derived from it : getting to see something that you can already clearly see in the PREVIOUS panel is redundant and awkward.

So, if you put together
a nigh inextinguishable fire, and the fact that Clownpiece don't have complete control over the fire, and the fact that Clownpiece is pretty much falling asleep, and the fact that the fire part of the torch is leaning on the tree house, and the fact that trees figures in the list of combustible things,
then you pretty much get the formula for a disaster,
a disaster that could potentially be circumvented by Kappas, who are water specialists, who got themselves involved with the three fairies who own the house that might possibly be put on fire.
Anyway, that's my take on what could possibly come in the next chapter.

The thing about the barrier and the tree house might be reading a little bit too much, but eh, I'd still put it there purely for the reasons I listed previously. Likewise for the
Hell
related speculation, that one in relation to another previous chapter that I didn't get to put my input on due to reasons.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: CyberAngel on June 27, 2018, 07:02:29 AM
Plot twist:
she just sets her clothes on fire by accident and runs towards the ravine to douse them. Fun water ride ensues. Also, she blames the trio for that just because.

Also, that last panel looks like it will definitely serve as a setup for an R-18 doujin.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Lebon14 on June 28, 2018, 07:51:05 AM
I actually missed the fact that
she fell asleep next to the 3 fairies tree
. I dunno how I miseed that tbh.

Plot twist:
she just sets her clothes on fire by accident and runs towards the ravine to douse them. Fun water ride ensues. Also, she blames the trio for that just because.

That's probably the most probable outcome tbh.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Lebon14 on July 26, 2018, 11:12:21 PM
New chapter is out. You know where to read it.

Nothing tragic happened! Only comedy. Also one-piece swimsuit Marisa and fairies.

That fake-dragon scene though. lol

Cameos:
Suwako, Sanae, Yuyuko, Youmu (+swimsuit), Sekibanki, Kogasa, Aunn, Sukuna, Aya (sneaky-sneaky), and one I couldn't identify (in the first group).
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: CyberAngel on July 27, 2018, 06:59:39 AM
and one I couldn't identify (in the first group).

That's
Ichirin, in her fighting game outfit.
There are also
Rumia, Tewi, Reisen and Orin.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: PK on September 19, 2018, 09:54:27 AM
After the last WaHH getting delayed to next month, looks like there's no VFiS this month either (https://mobile.twitter.com/hirasaka8/status/1041624790321127424). Damnit.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: PK on October 28, 2018, 12:20:23 PM
More Hell-related stuff this time. Piece seemed pretty suspect tbh
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Lebon14 on October 28, 2018, 09:03:52 PM
More Hell-related stuff this time. Piece seemed pretty suspect tbh

Yup.
Like Clarste said on his tumblr, I pretty much suspect that these crystals they find are fairies. Obviously, because Zun, the three fairies of light are conveniently still alive. Stuff's getting intense!
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Sophilia on October 29, 2018, 12:21:37 AM
I also feel this is
the fate Eiki warned Cirno about during PoFV.  "Even nature itself may die."  Though why dead fairies would leave the same remains as dead evil spirits is weird.  As for Clownpiece being responsible, it's quite likely since she's the one with the link to hell and had been taught about life energy by Eternity.  But Narumi also is suspect because this is something she specifically brings up in HSiFS.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Suspicious person on October 29, 2018, 12:37:45 AM
Hm, there was an instance where the Shrine's cherry trees didn't bloom because the fairies that would normally be there left cuz they got scared off by Clownpiece ; and there was also a time where it was shown that there seems to be a compatibility kinda thing involved when it comes to fairies choosing their homes, such as Clownpiece not being able to pick plants in general or the temple being quite fairy unfriendly cuz attachment to life isn't the thing over there.

Considering all of that, regarding the latest chapter 12,
while fairies getting crystallized seems to be an interesting possibility, personally, I find that rather bizarre : cherry stones are crystallized souls, as was mentionned in WaHH, and fairies are essentially lifeforce on two legs rather than ghosts or spirits : I find it pretty unlikely that they, whose beings are mainly lifeforce, would suddenly end up in the final state of spirits & ghosts, who aren't even alive to begin with. Besides, since the state of fairies and nature are intimately bound, it would make sense that nature itself would transform ALONG with the fairies, were they to get crystallized. Unless the following chapter introduces metaphysics that go along those lines, but that seems unlikely to me.

Personally, my view is that this is something that might be related to the compatibility thingy : like, maybe the fairies had some issues with the cherry stones that were obviously placed near their homes, and them leaving those places is what lead to lifeforce waning in general, just like the case with the Hakurei shrine cherry trees not blooming.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: PK on October 29, 2018, 01:56:44 AM
If fairies are alive, they probably have souls. And with their immortality becoming questionable (Narumi says she can destroy a fairy completely, and Cirno got warned twice about a fairy having more power than they can hold), if they die they might become those things. Maybe Piece used her torch to overcharge the fairies for some reason, and this made them perish or caused whatever Okina and Eiki were talking about to happen.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Lebon14 on January 26, 2019, 04:00:21 AM
New chapter is up! You know where to find it.

Press F to pay your respect to Luna Child (and eventually all other fairies)
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: MrNoobomnenie on January 26, 2019, 04:26:53 AM
Another offical manga is going into the final arc. Really hope, ZUN will announce the new one this year.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Suspicious person on January 26, 2019, 06:44:00 AM
2019 claims its first victim

rip (?) Luna, we hardly knew ye

Also guess who was off the mark, haha

Regarding the latest chapter (13),
uh, I guess this sorta says there is some kind of relation between soul and lifeforce or something ?! Cuz I don't really get how else fairies, who are pretty much mainly lifeforce would end up into cherry stones, which are pretty much the final stage of souls, which are related with the afterlife. Pretty weird but ok I guess.

Going back to the Garden of the Sun obviously means more Eternity for next time, so I'm looking forward to see what's her take on this situation.

Anyway, for those who think that the next game might have something to do with Hell, in case it turns out to be true, then this chapter would justify why you'd still have to go through stage fairies while in Hell : meaning, a convenient reason for ZUN to still keep the fairies as Hell stage mobs instead of making sprites for new ones. If the Hell game happens anyway.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: PK on January 26, 2019, 08:28:47 AM

Anyway, for those who think that the next game might have something to do with Hell, in case it turns out to be true, then this chapter would justify why you'd still have to go through stage fairies while in Hell : meaning, a convenient reason for ZUN to still keep the fairies as Hell stage mobs instead of making sprites for new ones. If the Hell game happens anyway.
Fairies already exist in Hell, ZUN didn't need an excuse.

Anyway, if Piece is realy turning fairies into stone cherries like it appears, i think Hecatia wants to use them in the next Hell war she mentioned some chapters ago. Maybe the other denizens of Hell are weak to life force coming from the surface because there is no nature in Hell.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Suspicious person on January 26, 2019, 09:10:11 AM
Fairies already exist in Hell, ZUN didn't need an excuse.
Oh yeah, somehow forgot that Piece came from down under and that there are the zombie cosplaying fairies. What I had in mind was the lack of fairies in the hellish part of Hell like in SA, where you get ghosts, orbs and ravens instead of seeing anymore fairies around stage 5 and 6. There was something that I had in mind but also slipped away as I wrote that.

If memory serves, Piece said something like Hell's environment being more related to the souls or something, hence her ability being more related to the mind.
Hecatia planning to  bring the fairies who got turned into cherry stones would seem weird to me if the crystallised fairies and the fairies that you can already find in Hell could do the same thing. I'd assume the Hell ones are more oriented towards the soul and stuff while the surface ones got lifeforce with them. It wouldn't make too much sense to bring additional fairies that in Hell  for a specific purpose if the Hell fairies had the same abilities as the surface fairies and were able to do whatever the surface fairies might be able to do (ie : yada yada lifeforce).

Like, since the fairies are pretty much the embodiment of nature, it should make sense that the surface fairies who are more related to the lifeforce filled nature are more related to lifeforce and the Hell fairies who are in Hell more related to the mind and the soul, with the exemple of Clownpiece.

 Maybe there's going to be some kind of "weaponization" of lifeforce in one way or another to give her an advantage in the power struggle that is taking place in Hell or something.  Maybe whatever Hecatia is planning to do is going to be a repeat of what they did in LoLK when they introduced Fairies on the Moon, except this time for Hell, for whatever reason.



My previous point about the sprite usage is obviously wrong, but this is essentially the other thing that I sorta forgot to put aside from that ...
Although to be fair, it has been a PRETTY long while since last ZUN introduced new sprites for the random mob enemies, and quite common now to find a way to put the fairies in  :V
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Lt Colonel Summers on January 27, 2019, 03:46:10 AM
Clownpiece looked like she was silencing Luna for "knowing too much".
Since we all know Piece works for Hecatia, who essentially rules over Hell...

Some kind of government conspiracy?


EDIT: Silly me! Forgot about spoilers!
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Lebon14 on April 26, 2019, 03:27:45 AM
And we have a new chapter. You know where to go.

Then, there was sunflowers. Then, it was the land of back-doors
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Fragment on April 26, 2019, 03:31:45 AM
All right, new episode! I have some thoughts about it.
It seems like Cirno was the canonical winner against Okina in HSiFS? or so we, the readers, are led to believe in her words. Hmm...oh well, anyway!

Y'know, I'm surprised that the situation in this manga is more dire than that of WaHH, heavily more so. I didn't expected that the lifeforce's overflow from those fairies would cause those defense mechanisms to kick in and become stone cherries in the process. Although admittedly, I'm also curious how this works with other living beings as well, outside of fairies, hmm...

Hecatia taking an antagonistic role was something that I definitely expected, but I recall in some written works that she swore (or something) to protect or maintain Gensokyo's peace, AFiEU was the source of that, though it's been awhile since I've read that, but I'm sure it was something along those lines, so her doing this sort of thing seems kinda out-of-character for her, she is willing to put Gensokyo's situation in peril just for the sake of making a "new and better hell", according to her words.

Nice that Clownpiece came to believe in the fairies words and decided to join them, although they are going to have a difficult battle on the road ahead. Then again, the mangas don't make it clear when this is a danmaku match or an actual real match, it seems like only WaHH covered the later so far, not that I have seen this happening in the fairies mangas before so I doubt is going to be anything other than another danmaku match.

I wonder what (if they could) defeating Okina accomplish though? Logically speaking, if she were to command her servants to do those hectic dances in order to give those fairies lifeforce again, then, the same situation as 16 will happen again. How would you be able to restore those fairies to normal quickly without the self-defense mechanisms kicking in afterwards? Hmm...

More questions than answers indeed!
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Lt Colonel Summers on April 26, 2019, 07:32:57 AM
Okay, so turns out Clownpiece didn't silence Luna for "knowing too much".

Rather, they all went to a secret meeting in the Garden of the Sun to talk about the Stone Cherries...
AND THEN they went to the Land of the Back Doors to confront Okina...
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: PK on April 26, 2019, 07:36:16 AM

Okina is the one controlling those doors, so chance is she purposedly got the fairies there for whatever reason, maybe to protect them.

Also what's with all the fight cliffhangers lately.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Suspicious person on April 26, 2019, 09:11:04 AM
Hm, so, going by Hecatia and Clownpiece's words, the fairy crystallisation is probably something that is both out of their hand on one side, and an opportunity that can be used to further their agenda on the other. Reimu and Marisa can always be reliable when things get serious, but I still find it a bit weird that Hecatia'd go to them to consult and ask for permission instead of, you know, slightly more reliable VIPs with authority and power.

On the fairy side of things, Eternity prove once again how knowledgeable she is when it comes to lifeforce, and I'm more intersted in her encounter with Okina more than the other girls plus the two randos and- wait, is that Daiyousei ?!

Can't really make an educated guess about why Okina'd invite these uncouth guests into the land of the back doors, but considering the importance of fairies for the ecosystem, I'd assume her noticing the thing that happened to the fairies got her to supervise some of them. If the fairy crystallisation is indeed directly related to Okina's doing from HSiFS, she'd totally wash her hands of this and say that she doesn't have much control over this incident as well and it'll probably resolve over time or something ; and if the fairy crystallisation thing is actually the doings of someone, then her taking Eternity and friends is probably also some sort of security measure to preserve fairies (but if not, then probably just Okina proping fairies that are looking for her towards her direction to humour them or something)

I kinda doubt that Okina and the fairies confrontation is gonna be of much importance, so whether she trounces the fairies or pull off that incredible feat where you die in the tutorial stage, some explanation from our various-kind-of-energy experts is obviousl gonna be made. Always been curious about the proper relationship between Okina and Eternity, so I'm more interested in that than whatever intercation she's gonna have with the rest.



Also may I say that FLYING wheelchairs are ridiculous
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Sophilia on April 26, 2019, 12:04:30 PM
ZUN's on the record as saying that at least for HSiFS, all stories happened as shown.  Including Extra.

As for the rest...
Okina herself inviting everyone in means that there's probably a reason beyond just fighting.  So I'm expecting Cirno and Piece to end up in the fashion of the three fairies vs. Yukari.  Eternity and the usual three seem like they're going to be much more relevant to how this actually gets resolved, since they're the ones that have been dealing with lifeforce.  I'm wondering where Lily is, since if this is a side effect to the seasons incident like the other fairies say, she'd definitely deserve to be in on this. 

Hecatia's plan seems to be even more sketchy to me, since Hell already must have fairies of some sort or Clownpiece wouldn't even be a thing.  That said, with this sort of mafia tactic, can Reimu and Marisa continue to refuse?
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: PK on April 26, 2019, 12:58:07 PM

Hecatia's plan seems to be even more sketchy to me, since Hell already must have fairies of some sort or Clownpiece wouldn't even be a thing.  That said, with this sort of mafia tactic, can Reimu and Marisa continue to refuse?
Hell does have fairies, just not the same kind Gensokyo has. IIRC it was said "nature" down there is related to souls and similar stuff rather than what people usually think when talking about nature. Hecatia said the whole point of what she is doing is introducing new stuff to Hell, which is in line with the mission Hecatia gave to Piece: meet life force and especially things you don't find in Hell.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Lebon14 on July 26, 2019, 02:24:55 AM
So, huh, there wasn't a VFiS chapter in Comp Ace today according to Clarste. I wonder what happened.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: PK on July 26, 2019, 07:39:22 AM
Delayed to september because it's very long, and they didn't want to split it so it could be seen all at once since it's the last chapter.
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Drake on July 26, 2019, 10:25:44 AM
Rather, it was going to end in September anyway, but ZUN opted to have one really long final chapter as opposed to a two-parter so it can be read all at once. It'll be the longest chapter in all the Sangetsusei manga, apparently.

EDIT: oops i repeated you a bit
Title: Re: Visionary Fairies in Shrine latest chapter discussion
Post by: Lebon14 on September 26, 2019, 04:15:56 PM
Last chapter up, you know where.

To be honnest, I'm pretty satisfied with the ending.