[WC3 - DotS] General discussion thread I

[Pesco]

Redid my votes.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Well, since the tournament format changed a bit, guess I'll start posting replays again.
This game should've been over early but went on way too long because of derp and nice defending.

Hakurei
Helepolis (Eirin)
Panda (Remilia)
Headcrabs (Hina)
Ras (Alice)

Moriya
Dular (Rin)
Dormio (Iku)
Rizock (Letty)
Hero999 (Medicine)

[Helepolis]

Hakurei side of the action and  teamchat :V

[Dular]

Well, since the tournament format changed a bit, guess I'll start posting replays again.
This game should've been over early but went on way too long because of derp and nice defending.

Hakurei
Helepolis (Eirin)
Panda (Remilia)
Headcrabs (Hina)
Ras (Alice)

Moriya
Dular (Rin)
Dormio (Iku)
Rizock (Letty)
Hero999 (Medicine)

After we got Ultra Creeps, I honestly didn't really care for about 30 minutes.  S'why I died so much and stuff for no reason.



Oh, and here is a game that was yesterday.  Rumia was trolling us and then Cirno trolled Rumia

Hakurei
Whitewish(Letty)
Magnaduelist(Byakuren)
Dular(Cirno)
MurasakiYakumo(Utsuho)


Moriya
Koishi(Rumia)
Amraphenson(Yamame)
Panda(Nue)
Rizock(Eirin)

[Dular]

Double post because .959D!

BUG FIXES!
MANY BUGFIXES OCCURED BUT I AM FAR TOO LAZY TO LIST THEM ALL!  WHO CARES RIGHT?!


Hisoutensoku got a boost from 2,000hp to 2,500hp and got a whole TWO HP REGEN EXTRA!  TO 10hp/sec!  WOAH!

SKILL CHANGES!!
Sakuya's innate now goes from 10/20/30/40 to 15/30/45/60  Slightly more damage!
Sakuya's time sign goes from 5 agility to increase damage 3.5 to 5 agility to increase damage for every 4 agility.  I fixed this part!
Sakuya's buriallusion goes from +5 agility for 6 damage to +5 agility for 6.5 damage.  This part too!
Reisen's Lunar Rabbit scales from 15/25/35/45 to 14/21/28/35.  Bunny is now slightly more useless!
Kisume's Burning Ring of Fire scaling 75/150/225/300 to 120/180/240/300.  Kisume's shield is now more evil early on!
Kisume's Burning Ring of Fire cooldown 18 to 16 seconds.  Nothing interesting here, move on.
Kisume's Self-Destruct 1.5 second channeling to 1.0 second channeling.  Kisume wants to kill herself faster!
Byakuren's Superhuman leech now goes from 2%/3%/4% to 1%/2%/3%.  The slight nerf we were all waiting for!


ITEMS!
Kappa water gun bonus damage to creeps goes from 30 to 45.  This will REALLY tear apart creeps.
Wings of Phoenix radiance damage 40 to 35 again.  Guess they realized it was too strong!
Substitution Doll cooldown from 20 seconds to 40 seconds.  Gaze upon this ye dependers, and despair!
Soy Sauce faith cost down 20 to 5.  I guess no one believes in deliciousness anymore.


And that's basically it.


Edit: I DID do those parts wrong!

[ApharmdB]

Ahh I thought you asked me to post that. Haha. Anyway I might as well just complete it by posting the bugfix list for those who might be curious (some are quite lulzy)

Fixed a bug where the game would drop a player (??)
Fixed a bug where Suika's ultimate would last forever after being hit by Medicine's ultimate
Fixed a bug where Remilia would automatically attack or throw a Gungnir at an enemy immediately after changing into bat form
Fixed the tooltip description for the Kappa Assault Pistol
Fixed a bug where Reisen's skills were rendered ineffective by having the mini Hakkero
Fixed a bug where Reisen's illusions also had 100% chance of creating copies during her ultimate
Fixed a bug where Tewi's "Lucky Inaba" skill was rendered ineffective
Fixed a bug where Flandre's slow skill would not stack when attacking
Fixed a bug with Kisume's Bucket Sign "Strong Bucket Defence" that caused an incorrect calculation regarding damage nullified
Fixed a bug that caused the Katana to burn an incorrect amount of mana
Fixed a bug where the Wings of the Phoenix item's area of effect was not changed from the previous version
Fixed a bug where Yuyuko would become a ghost instead of reviving after consuming the Hourai Elixir
Fixed a bug where Yuyuko's ghost would revive with full health instead of fading after consuming the Hourai Elixir
Fixed a bug where being lagged out before being revived by Tacticus would cause a permanent reduction in intelligence
Fixed a bug that caused the increased movement speed effect of the Soy Sauce to be permanent

Replaced the graphical effect for spell cooldowns

(Rest of the changelog is in Dular's post.)

Edit: Except...
Sakuya's first skill "Knife of Eternity's" damage scaling increased from +3.5 for every 5 agility points to +4.0 for every 5 agility points
Sakuya's second skill "Phantomic Killer in Night Mist's" damage scaling increased from +6.0 for every 5 agility points to +6.5 for every 5 agility points

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Dat Kaguya.

Hakurei
Helepolis (Kaguya)
Panda (Utsuho)
Headcrabs (Medicine)
Rizock (Mystia)

Moriya
Dormio (Mokou)
BrownBeta (Iku)
Hero999 (Aya)
Tapsa (Remilia)

EDIT: FFFFFFFF-
Forgot the replay.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Let us farm kindly.
Please wait warmly, girls are farming.

Hakurei
reVelski (Meiling)
Infinity (Yamame)
Ras (Rin)
Ace-Royale (Nazrin)

Moriya
DrRawr (Youmu)
Dormio (Sakuya)
Rikter (Yuugi)
DollS (Shikieiki)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

lolChen.

Hakurei
Sodium (Suika)
Whitewish (Tewi)
Mikudesudesu (Sanae)
DrRawr (Kanako)

Moriya
Infinity (Yamame)
DollS (Yuugi)
Shadowbringer (Letty)
Rizock (Ran)

[Dr Rawr]

i still dont see why we ban wriggle but not youmu... youmus is obv more op then wriggle

[Captain Infinity]

T'is a nice guide, Helepolis. The pictures and quotes make it far from boring and it's quite simple.

Maybe we should all follow Helepolis' example here and make some guides for newer and less skilled players to DotS. Maybe with more detail too.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I should post my builds that require extreme amounts of luck to function correctly. :V

[Helepolis]

I should post my builds that require extreme amounts of luck to function correctly. :V

You should post together with Dular and Hero guides on how to Rambo.  Rambo Patchouli.

(Imagines Patchouli in biker-shorts, tank top and lots of guns) ** drool **

[Dr Rawr]

I should post my builds.... oh wait there all pretty stupid :V and no on plays koishi.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

A QUICK GUIDE ON EFFECTIVE RAMBO BY DORMIO

This will just be a few pointers on how to rambo effectively, you need to learn by doing.

1. Don't pick a support.
This step is important. If you screw it up, you're destined to end up like Trance. (jk ilu Trance)

2. Ignore the minimap.
You don't have the time to give a fuck about what is happening elsewhere on the map WHEN YOU NEED YOUR FULL UNDIVIDED ON CHASING THOSE BITCHES THAT THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY FROM YOU. IS A TEAMMATE PINGING SOMETHING? IGNORE IT. YOU DO NOT GIVE A FUCK.

3. Do not communicate with teammates.
Silence is golden. Remember this rule, and remember it well. You need to concentrate on getting kills dammit. You can't waste those precious second(s) typing when you could be chasing those squishies.

4. Whore runes.
There are only 2 negative runes in the game, explosion/poison, compared to the 5 positive runes, regen/double damage/defence/invisibility/speed. The positive runes will save your life when you're diving into a 4v1 at the enemy tower.

5. Make sure your name is Hero999.
If you do not want to fail during your rambo attempt, this is the most important step. Disregarding this step will result in unavoidable failure.

[trancehime]

I am curious if anyone is interested in my opinions and views on how to play support.

No, I will not rage or anything, most of my raging is me hating on myself for playing like shit anyway :getdown:

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I'm always interested in other's opinions.

[trancehime]

[22:58] <Violette> man
[22:59] <Violette> why can't i look at DotS the way it's meant to be looked at

:fail:

[Rikter]

Obv. because it was called Th. Dota and you expect it to have whatever qualities you loved from dota.

[Dular]

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON RAMBOING FOR THE EARLY LANE!

-In general, you want a skill that either makes them come to you, makes you come to them, or makes them stay put.

-Tower?  SO WHAT?!  If that kill is almost a guaranteed thing, who cares if you die after?  You got the kill!

-Enemy weak?  Try to make sure that the rate for successfully killing is at least 50%!  Works better if you have a 'get outta dodge' skill!

-Tanks are pretty much designed for this.  Yes, even Kaguya.

-If you take 100 damage to deal 60 damage in the early lane, then you won that fight.  You'll regen faster than him!  Keep up the annoyance!

-If you do something when you hit or get hit, attack those creeps when melee heroes are near!  Forget last hitting, this is about messing up their day now!  This'll teach 'em to last hit!

-If they are faster than you while you chase them, turn around and walk for a bit and then turn around again.  You ain't catching up and they'll most likely turn around to get back to the creeps and they won't expect you to turn around again.

[Prody]

-If they are faster than you while you chase them, turn around and walk for a bit and then turn around again.  You ain't catching up and they'll most likely turn around to get back to the creeps and they won't expect you to turn around again.

Haha, this one is actually one of the more useful tactics ever in early game farming.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

"I BLAME RAMBO"

Hakurei
Helepolis (Shikieiki)
Dular (Cirno)
BrownBeta (Shizuha)
Loolicon (Sakuya)

Moriya
Headcrabs (Suika)
Hero999 (Reisen)
Dormio (Yukari)
Sodium (Mystia)

[communist unity (comm-unity)]

Super Awesome Rumia for Super Awesome Folks


Super Awesome Strategy for Super Awesome Rumias
right click on doods. then use your ultimate to eat 'em
repeat and win game

Super Awesome Items


 :trollface:

[Doll.S CUBE]

Hmm, I think I'll participate...

Newbie guide to not dying: By Sir/Lady Die-a-lot.

Run when health is red.
Run when they come after you.
Run when it gets dangerous.
Choose a broom for your first item, it'll make you run faster.
RUUUNNN!

Warning: This note may or may not be useful and does not guarantee less dying.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Wow.
Headcrabs.
Your guide is amazing.
I now realize what I have been doing wrong.
I have tried it a few times and it has not failed me.
It has brought new meaning to my life.
Thank you.

[Helepolis]

Headcrabs that is not how you play Rumia. Get IAE and Subdoll.

[Captain Infinity]

Headcrabs that is not how you play Rumia. Get IAE and Subdoll.

This is how you play Rumia:

• Pick Rumia from the selection screen.
• Jump off a bridge irl.

[Pesco]

This is how you play Rumia:

• Pick Rumia from the selection screen.
• Jump off a bridge irl.

Best advice

[Stuffman]

I should post my builds.... oh wait there all pretty stupid :V and no on plays koishi.

Requesting a Support Koishi guide.

[tbax704]

Youmu Konpaku tactics:

- Summon Myon
- Attack enemy girl for a while to reduce their armor (about 3 seconds so that Myon is still present)
- Use D skill (DOUBLE DAMAGE!)
- Use W skill (DOUBLE DAMAGE AGAIN!)

Another tip to not dying:
- Run when you are attacked by a tower unless you are sure that you can destroy the tower
- Don't fight enemy girl near the enemy tower
- Have Kitsune Exalt in your inventory so that you can run away quickly when you can't move because of the creeps surrounding you
- Run near your creeps or tower when you are alone with enemy girls to have a battle advantage
- Run when you have no creeps while enemy girl has creeps