[WC3 - DotS] General discussion thread I

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

That's my job, though.
To [...] piss people off

You jerk.

[Helepolis]

Kanako is better in 3v3 than in 4v4 (she can be in 4v4 but chance of getting countered is higher.

Too bad her regen skill in MoF doesn't work on herself. So Reitaisai becomes pretty much a requirement for fast regen + heal.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Derprunes.
That is all.

Hakurei
Dormio (Byakuren)
Noname (Reisen)
Pesco (Yukari)

Moriya
Trance (Nitori)
Rizock (Koishi)
Loolicon (Iku)

[Captain Infinity]

JERKREF, JERKSTUN, JERKTEAMS THE WORLD IS AGAINST ME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

You already have the most insane luck on DotS, you don't need anything more, you jerk.

Jerk bullying Moriya team (minus Loolicon, you can bully him). 

[ruikomatsu]

Death by Iku.

As always.

[trancehime]

Yes, because you needed far more proof that I'm the jerk.

Asshole :fail:

[Helix ⑨]

I would totally play this if I wasn't such a HoN addict  :ohdear:

[Helepolis]

I would totally play this if I wasn't such a HoN addict  :ohdear:

There is no excuse for not playing dots. Even if you are not even a touhou fan.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Yes, because you needed far more proof that I'm the jerk.

I didn't do anything particularly jerk-ish that game though.
Just derprunes.

[trancehime]

I didn't do anything particularly jerk-ish that game though.
Just derprunes.

Uh huh... insane derprune luck and wicked sick spree in 15 minutes...

Yeah, that's totally not jerk-ish... :/

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

You can't call me a jerk for being lucky.
It's not like I ever backdoor or anything.

[trancehime]

You can't call me a jerk for being lucky.
It's not like I ever backdoor or anything.

i can call you a jerk for completely ruining our chance at victory in the first 15 minutes of the game though!

:]

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

waaaat.

You're a jerk for calling me a jerk for a reason like that.

[Messiah]

Jerk bullying Moriya team (minus Loolicon, you can bully him).

Hey, you can't bully the magical one, tough this action might lead to moe reactions  :V

[Happyhorse]

Too bad her regen skill in MoF doesn't work on herself. So Reitaisai becomes pretty much a requirement for fast regen + heal.

Tacticus would be a better option imo.

MoF has better AoE healing then Reitaisai (though it takes some time), plus it has a better hp regen (+15hp/s) than Reitaisai (+3hp/s)
The 3 armor won't really help much after mid-game kicks, in as compared to getting 380hp.


Still, Reitaisai could be considered a life-saver from last hits for some players, so yeah.

[Helepolis]

Tacticus would be a better option imo.

MoF has better AoE healing then Reitaisai (though it takes some time), plus it has a better hp regen (+15hp/s) than Reitaisai (+3hp/s)
The 3 armor won't really help much after mid-game kicks, in as compared to getting 380hp.

Still, Reitaisai could be considered a life-saver from last hits for some players, so yeah.

Tacticus is still standard a late game item unless you get fed within 15 or anywhere soon. A blonde dude wouldn't be bad either if Kanako goes support style. Its just the instant heal from reitaisai which makes the difference like you said.

And MoF heal is pretty good enough to save against Alice's suicidal dolls. I saved asses with that if you view the replay of Fiore de Lune. Went total support there.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Hey, you can't bully the magical one

... :V

[Captain Infinity]

Hey, you can't bully the magical one, tough this action might lead to moe reactions  :V

I can bully the magical one all I want. Diseased people like that MUST be quarantined and put down! Much like Dormio.

EDIT:

On a side note: FFFFFFFFFF since when did I become an Idiot Princess?!

[western_gunner]

Hi!

Nice to join this thread, i'm a great lover of DOTS, and have been playing since 0.949c (the english ver.)
hopefully HJSTIC (the map maker CMIIW) will soon add more characters .

one quick question, how do you all use yukari anyway? heck, i never understand her final move (W button), i just keep teleporting in the same location and it doesn't seem that my enemy girls lose any health, and most of her skill is kinda useless (except the teleport ones). so please, i want to know what strategy would you all use if playing her?

sorry if my post is kinda annoying, but its just that since yukari is one of my favorite character it really agitating if i can't use her...

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I'm not the best Yukari player but this is what I think of her.
Being aggresive early game doesn't tend to pay off, at least not until you can use your drop as a nuke, just keep gapping your creeps until you build up a respectable number of them.
After you've got enough of your creeps gap an enemy girl, wait a moment before using T (mass drop) on the spot where you gapped the enemy girl.
If you time it right, most of the creeps should hit and severely damage the enemy girl. The stun and damage should be enough for you to kill them in most situations.
In mid/late game your skills are invaluable support (early game too). Your first skill will give an ally invulnerability or disable an enemy for a while. Gap can be used to pseudo-stun or avoid damage if your first skill is on cooldown.
Yukari's ultimate skill is mass teleport. It really doesn't do much damage and the damage isn't what you should be caring about. (If you're a real jerk you can use mass teleport to backdoor.)


Thoughts are jumbled and I don't play Yukari that often but hope that helps somewhat.

[western_gunner]

@Dormio

I see, so basically, yukari is a support type character, i got fooled by her final (what do you call the W button anyway? ) that states do damages 500 (at max) at arrival, i was imagining it would do massive damages like okuu's nuclear fusion (well not that Massive since okuu's around 1000 CMIIW)..

another question if i gap an enemy, do i get EXP? and how do you determine her teleport destination with the W button? i just popped up at the same spot where i starts...

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Most of us tend to call the final character skills "ults".
Yeah, Yukari's ultimate doesn't do that much damage.
The gap doesn't kill anything, therefore, gapping enemy creeps won't get you any EXP. If you use it on an allied or enemy creep they're put into a sort of "storage". Using the E or T skill will release the creeps.
As for the mass teleport not working properly, iunno about that.

[Captain Infinity]

@Dormio

I see, so basically, yukari is a support type character, i got fooled by her final (what do you call the W button anyway? ) that states do damages 500 (at max) at arrival, i was imagining it would do massive damages like okuu's nuclear fusion (well not that Massive since okuu's around 1000 CMIIW)..

another question if i gap an enemy, do i get EXP? and how do you determine her teleport destination with the W button? i just popped up at the same spot where i starts...

Gapping doesn't give EXP, it just removes a creep from the field (or a player's units and hero temporary).

Yukari's ult's teleport destination upgrades through levels. At level 1, you can teleport to allied buildings. At level 2, you can teleport to allied units. At level 3, you can teleport with it anywhere. Refer to the wiki for more detailed info on abilities (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Defence_of_The_Shrines:_Characters)

[Pesco]

Slightly different approach here. Play Yukari according to her personality.

She uses her gaps to remove things. Enemies come to mind as the first target. But think a little more. Her gaps are used as storage spaces as well. You can gap away your own creeps to deny the enemy money and experience. Your creeps are stored for later use.

She goes everywhere via gaps. Use it to pop up in the most unexpected of places. She's got good ganking capabilities but you need to have a lot of practice to pull it off.

Barriers are for keeping things out, or in. if the enemy is a Flan or Iku with Inaba lazors, barrier them to shut down the attack. If they are single target killers like Momiji or Youmu, barrier your allies. You have to know how the other girls are dangerous to decide who to barrier.

Yukari's ult is a team skill. Your team must be ready to come out blazing when you use it. It causes the game to lag a bit on casting so be careful where you land it.

Check earlier in the thread for a replay I uploaded, it's got a 1v1 with Yukari. The name should be fairly obvious.

[Happyhorse]

hopefully HJSTIC (the map maker CMIIW) will soon add more characters .

The current version (which is the Chinese version) has new characters added as compared to the outdated English version. you should go for the newest map I reckon.

[shadowbringer]

(I'm no Yukari specialist, but here goes my opinion too)
- avoid whenever possible, to allow the opponent team to farm from the mass dropped creeps when they reach enemy towers (or at least get a kill from mass drop to compensate); I usually avoid picking Yukari if there's AoE in the opponent team
- I usually get bus tickets (teleport scrolls) with Yukari, and try to use ult for collecting healthy creeps at once
- most importantly, don't use your ult near your team's yukkuri :p
- also, don't ult towards the enemy team for the damage, you're likely to get yourself killed because the damage is disappointing

[Pesco]

Maybe we should all just keep quiet and let Kitten tell him how to be Trollkari

[Helepolis]

Maybe we should all just keep quiet and let Kitten tell him how to be Trollkari

Kitten's Trollkari won't work any more because the number of creeps dropped from her salvo drop is scaling by Yukari's level. So no more 12 creep drop and sure kill on enemy girls. And she just rushes Frozen :V


EDIT #1 - Touhou wiki has no  ALL icons for ALL the skills listed. So you can drool over their amazing looks (most of them are standard WC3 anyway). Also the misc page is updated with the latest information for the towers, turtles and stuff. (Thanks those on IRC who helped hunting icons :V)

EDIT #2 - Skill names are missing for several skill orz

EDIT #3 - Missing 2 icon skills for Cirno ult and Flandre ult. Will probably ask LuckyCharat for this.

EDIT #4 - Flandre ult added. But thought it was white. Oh well.

[Geoodees]

I've read about this for a while and looked at a few replays, it looks really fun. Now I would like to try it out, but you guys are pretty much the only one that play on a regular basis. So I'll check into your channel later and hope it is okay for me to join a few games. :>

One thing I don't get is how you should know what items to use if you are playing the Chinese version. I guess you could keep a separate window with the wiki up but still, rather confusing.

[Dr Rawr]

we memorize everything because after buying the same damn thing over and over again you dont forget