An Untitled Mafia - Game Over

[NekoNekoRex]

My vote isn't OMGUS, I thought the Dormio "townread" was a pretty lazy read, and I voted as a reaction to his "joke", which flew over my head at the time.
I don't like being called a moron like that >_>
##Unvote

2 Hours left, huh? I kinda disagree with the Sky Paladin lynch, it comes off as another typical D1 "Lynch the unexperienced player" akin to lynching Raikaria, Serela, and IHNN every D1

At the same time, though, my worst gut are the players who have been around, but have zero substance in their posts, like Dormio and Darkie. Yeah, hypocritical, but Dormio's latest vote is an empty vote and Darkie has been pretty much goofing around the whole game (whereas I tried but failed to get anything done)

I have more opinions and they actually are forthcoming this time.

[NekoNekoRex]

I honestly want a lynch that isn't one of Raikaria/Serela/IHNN, or Sky today.
Our D1s always seem the same.

[Serela]

In a 48 hour d1 I imagine it's even more common then usual for the lynchee to be more of a victim then a good choice >_>

Anyway, Dormio said he was gonna be having exams and not have time for mafia until after D1, so it feels like it'd be kinda dumb to lynch him today.

[Raikaria]

Bah deadline approaching. I guess I gotta go back to my initial FoS; even if I doubt it is that solid anymore; I'd rather we lynch someone and get some information to digest than lynch no-one and get nothing.

An annoying lack of stuff has actually happened today. 9 pages for D1; even if 48 hours; is unusually low. And a lot of it is back and forth on the same topics by and large.

##Unvote
##Vote: Sky_Paladin

[BT]

I honestly want a lynch that isn't one of Raikaria/Serela/IHNN, or Sky today.
Our D1s always seem the same.

Don't keep us waiting. You don't want any of the wagons but don't care to raise a name of your own.

[BT]

Well, you mentioned Dormio and DNA earlier but I'm getting the "these wagons suck and I'll fold my hands in protest" vibes here.

[Raikaria]

Bah deadline approaching. I guess I gotta go back to my initial FoS; even if I doubt it is that solid anymore; I'd rather we lynch someone and get some information to digest than lynch no-one and get nothing.

An annoying lack of stuff has actually happened today. 9 pages for D1; even if 48 hours; is unusually low. And a lot of it is back and forth on the same topics by and large.

##Unvote
##Vote: Sky_Paladin

I am; of course; assuming we reach 9 pages with the inevitable flurry of voteing at the deadline.

[BT]

Darkie has been pretty much goofing around the whole game (whereas I tried but failed to get anything done)

You know what I think I'm going to actively call people out for this. Because they're claiming this sort of stuff after:

Imo sb is p godly in terms of rvs scumhunt.

Skys reaction also feels off from the prev games we had. Hes now a carbon copy blend of cheez and scumDNA

And:

.....I form a bunch of shitty cases as scum and throw them all around. I guess its more quality of cases. I hope to hear from SP on his reads, for current time constrains mean its very likely we either lynch him unless he somehow convince us turbowagoning someone else is a good idea. Either way that would confirm his alignment depending on the flip of whoever he's pushing for. Throwing shitty cases got us to lylo and would've probably won us the game if the cop didn't stack info by replacements which made everyone unwary of it.

Either way, Sky needs quality cases instead of quality defends. That's what I feel off about him.

Like, no, I'm really sorry you want an easy vote but this isn't your guy.

[Sky_Paladin]

BT says "Skypal's #128 doesn't explain why he drops SB. He just completely reverses what he was doing because people called him out on it.

It actually does. 

Also nobody is agreeing with my logic.  I can hardly argue that everybody must be scum.  Therefore I must be wrong.

I copped a lot of flak for what I thought was a good argument - too much for just a scum team to be picking on me.  I didn't see anybody who thought I might be right.  Instead it somehow painted me as scum for being too tryhard. 

IHNN's post doesn;t sway my opinions one bit; he only said a sentence or two at most and just rehashed what others have said.  But with deadline so close there's no point. 

Raikaria was my close second choice so I'll go there. 

##unvote
##vote Raikaria

I'll be away for phase end.  So I'll get the 'roleclaim' bit out of the way now! 

I am Casino Man.  I have three mystery boxes.  The boxes are, however, empty.  At the moment I am essentially a vanilla towny. 
If I'm in the first three votes for somebody who is eventually lynched, the first box is unlocked.  If I lynch a scum, the second box is unlocked.  Once I've used either box one or box two, box three is unlocked. 

At this stage I don't know what's in the boxes or if they are one shot or last the full game. 

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Once this game is done I'd like to have a chat with people about these supposedly 'scummoves'.  I don't consider myself a new player but these trend things are new to me.  I also don't think they're made up - Kilga's explanation makes good sense.  If I had known about it, I would have voted DNA instead of just dropping vote.  I feel like I wasted a lot of time and distracted people for no reason.  So it's annoying for me to think that there was a better thing to do and I just didn't know about it because I was genre blind. 

Welp, I've got a half hour and then I have to go.  Let's hit post and see what's next. 

[NekoNekoRex]

I think people are talking about me too much despite the fact I plain haven't been here since ED1 and one post where I failed to catch up with the thread.

I keep rereading this game and finding opinions hard.

Anyway, Dormio said he was gonna be having exams and not have time for mafia until after D1, so it feels like it'd be kinda dumb to lynch him today.

Forgot this, I'll retract that desire to lynch for now, then.

Darkie always seems on the table for a lynch, his strategy today didn't even involve scumhunting, he just popped in all day with inane comments

Schezo for most of the day also had pretty terrible votes, his one post with substance was his vote on Cheez8.

##Vote:Darkie for now, still trying to form up some opinions
Although at this point I don't see a turbowagon to be too likely. Rereading Sky Paladin does make me feel his wagon isn't without merit (esp his recent lurker vote over someone who's actually been around), I just have bad gut because it feels like it's going the way every other D1 case goes.

[NekoNekoRex]

Don't keep us waiting. You don't want any of the wagons but don't care to raise a name of your own.

Typing takes time between reading posts, BT, I'm going as fast as I can.

[BT]

Yeah sorry. <_< I'll hopefully get to that post right now but I'm already behind on the stuff I wanted to do before leaving and, whoops, I kinda had to leave already. Fingers crossed I get this done.

[NekoNekoRex]

##Vote: Darkie
haven't properly read the cuts aside from skimming so far

[BT]

I don't think that claim was made up and I'm not sure what a scum equivalent would be so I'm actually tempted to unvote.

[BT]

'actually tempted to' blah blah empty words ##Unvote

One of the things I wanted to do was doublecheck just how unjustified Raikaria's dropping of Skypal was. Like, Kilga, I knew this was your case, that's what I was referring to by 'unvote argument'.

[WHMZakeri]

I'm glad I now have this thing build into me where I have to check deadline before going to sleep
##Unvote: Schezo
##Vote: Raikaria

I don't feel strongly about one over the other right now. tbh, I'm voting more to see how competing wagons will pan out rather than pretending to be certain that we're gonna hit scum.

[Serela]

Not just the claim but things Paladin is saying in general also make me want to unvote.

Debating if I really want to vote for Raikaria or not because it'd help fulfill the role Paladin claimed. I've been fencing on him and not really caring since I already had cases on people who seemed likely lynches.

[BT]

Nothing to say about the claim then?

Instead of checking what I said I would I found out something else - Rai's scope is really tiny. Like, literally as small as it can get. I see no excess opinions and his votes seem kind of formulaic.

[NekoNekoRex]

I think this disease is getting to my head, I feel like I'm trying to push this game in the completely wrong direction. It isn't like me.

[BT]

(that was to Zak)

Anyway ##Vote Raikaria because contributing.

The biggest thing that made me gutjerk away from wanting to vote him earlier was his use of gut but I guess that's not impossible as scum at all. <_<

[BT]

Also I think I'll be keeping my eye on Dan. Something to keep in mind.

[BT]

And I think I'm outta time.

[WHMZakeri]

Nothing to say about the claim then?

Instead of checking what I said I would I found out something else - Rai's scope is really tiny. Like, literally as small as it can get. I see no excess opinions and his votes seem kind of formulaic.

I read Sky's claim and all I can say about it is that he's probably telling us everything he can that's true.
That alone doesn't really mean anything though, and saying it would would just be keeping somebody alive for the novelty of it.

[Serela]

FTR NNR is also way better now that he's come back.

##unvote
...wait, we only have like an hour and a half left, right? >_> Yeah, just checked, that's close 'nuff to the amount of time.

Did a quick reread of Raikaria. Still fencing. Buh. To be entirely honest though I have no idea who else we'd even lynch at this point, though. Cut by BT echoing my own sentiment on Dan (who we definitely aren't flashwagoning because that'd be dumb and Raikaria's wagon has had some degree of analyzable progression if nothing else)

I should probably reread Zakeri overnight. I never got around to paying attention to him.

[NekoNekoRex]

In light of the claim and the fact that a wagon aside from these two isn't going to happen, I'll vote Raikaria if I have to, but I'm not going to like it still. Still think both wagons are bad in theory.

I'm delusional if I think I'm going to be able to push another lynch anyway.
I still don't know if Darkie is getting replaced or not, now that I remember that :V
Something about SB really irks me but I can't pinpoint it yet.
If Rai flips town I'm going to double down on Kilga, I think. Something about his pushing the case I don't like.

everything here seems so iffy, it's honestly hard to make much of it. I don't like much of any of the content of today. Everyone seems scummy in some vague way. Ripe for the pickings but hard to draw out who's the worst. I wish I had been able to be active earlier.

[WHMZakeri]

You might as well get it done now, Serela. There's not a lot of mine to read through, and I'll probably be flipping reads on me around when I get a good day 2 post in.

I suppose to help you along, Do you think either of them (Sky/Rai) are more likely scum than the other? If equal does that mean they both are scum or neither? If you could move the lynch to anyone for any reason, who'd it be right now (even though we can't)
I don't know if you answered all of this before but it won't hurt to think about it.

Cut: Dark's probably not getting replaced at this point.
I feel like trying to read him before deadline is going to just ruin my thought processes, so I can't offer any other insights on him.

[Schezo]

Yeah that Schezo and his terrible votes screw that guy.

The lynch regardless of what flips is garbage today. 

Sky Paladin is getting lynched for having a different playstyle.  That is pretty much what I see it coming down to.  Like him being paranoid about being turbo lynched. 
Raikaria's case about how he has to be experienced for such a mistake to be damnable is goofy.  Like.  He could be getting coached and could pull this as scum.  But to say that only an experienced player could receive flak for that is a nono.  Like you can't meta someone who you have little/to no experience playing with so I don't know why he gets a new pass anyways.
The claim is whatever.  Scum joat is possible
Raikaria > Sky Paladin

Raikaria = Sky Paladin > Zak > Schezo > Roughly everybody else > Dan

This thing owns though.  Goddam.  It's useless and allows you to get on whichever one without caring.

ihnn wants to throw down though since he wants to jab at the vote on tryhardness yet doesn't want to comprehend it.  You don't get the Cheez case at all?  Why not tell me what you think is happening or is it really like unreadable?
Anyways: Cheez's case on BBM was bad and litearlly could have been made on half of the game at that point and he decided to make it on BBM. 

NNR it's a travesty that you can't supply an alternative to the regular d1 lynch moreso than them actually being the day 1 lynch. If you're literally make a for now post 2 hours to deadline then bravo dood.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Raikaria

[Cheez8]

...Well then. If that's the Casino Man I'm thinking of, then yeah, that role sounds about right. Freaking mystery boxes...

At least people are noticing that Raikaria's suspicious too now. After Paladin's last post, I'm not really as sure I want to lynch him anyway.

##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria

And cut a couple times. Okay.

[WHMZakeri]

That was fast.
L-1 already.

[Serela]

Zak:Are those questions addressed to me? I mean, I already expressed that I no longer think SkyPaladin is scum. If I could actually move the lynch to anyone I'd pull something along the lines of Popcorn or Defcon where I shoot someone I pretty much haven't mentioned before out of nowhere and they flip scum because I was pretty sure they were scum for reasons I didn't know how to explain.

in this case I guess that'd be BBM but I haven't tried anywhere near hard enough to figure out who I'd do something like that to because I can't so :effort:

Also at this point I'm not sure if voting Raikaria would hammer him, so. Oh, it would! Good to know.