Author Topic: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III (Read 218127 times)

Bog42 · « **Reply #330 on:** February 17, 2012, 03:16:56 PM »

Not trying to sound impolite or something, but where are all those changelogs for past versions?
If I'm not mistaken there is going to be a new one on Monday, so it would be better, if we had last translations done.

Amraphenson · « **Reply #331 on:** February 17, 2012, 04:20:02 PM »

If there are a bunch of versions in short succession, we usually just compress it into one log.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #332 on:** February 17, 2012, 08:13:02 PM »

Iirc i think aph already has alot to do right now. In example remaking dots map

Antorory · « **Reply #333 on:** February 18, 2012, 03:10:23 PM »

Bug Report

-Byakuren [F] Skill give only 225 Max HP at level 4 [it should give 300 MP according to the text description as 75/150/225/300 following the level of the skill]

ApharmdB · « **Reply #334 on:** February 18, 2012, 04:59:15 PM »

Got it. Thanks.

Yes, there's been a sudden explosion of stuff to do, so translation work has been halted while I get recalled to fix stuff yet again. We've also set up a playtesting group which will hopefully not dick us over again. But this also means more than double the work for me since I'm also in it.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #335 on:** February 18, 2012, 05:32:06 PM »

Bah playtesting dots map must be lol amounts of fun

Helepolis · « **Reply #336 on:** February 18, 2012, 05:34:53 PM »

Quote from: ApharmdB on February 18, 2012, 04:59:15 PM

But this also means more than double the work for me since I'm also in it.

Your avatar somehow empowers this post with extra orz :V

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #337 on:** February 19, 2012, 03:49:36 AM »

Ok im a bit confused with laevateinn...
- i noticed it wont increase damage of most on hit effects, like mokou explosions ikus lightning and wriggles d pretty much anything like that
-only exception ive seen is eikis pure damage, but azn math tells me it only increased the damage of her attack and not the pure damage
-so im pretty confused, is laevateinn only increasing the attack damage? No on hit effects seem to be effected.

Antorory · « **Reply #338 on:** February 19, 2012, 06:51:32 AM »

it's just only increase the attack damage base on the last one you deal to enemy

if you buy two of them the example of how it work will be like this

Example

-You have total damage around 55-55 + 60 with two laevateinn effect

-You hit an enemy with armor around 25% reduction and the enemy is not a girl or tower so it deal 100% following the attack type and no girl's reduce calculating.

-You crit from you ability which deal damage x 2

-You real dmg [after whole calculating] will be [ [ [115 x 2] - 25%] + 12% + 12%] = 216.384 total damage deal

-coz each laevateinn increase dmg base on the lastest result of dmg calculating, so even it's stack together their percentage will calculate seperatly anyway.

-that is from my own test and i think ApharmB ever tell about how laevateinn work long time ago.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #339 on:** February 19, 2012, 02:33:51 PM »

Wait a minute laevateinns stack? Also i get how it calculates damage, im just wondering if it only effects your base attack damage and not all these bonus effects to attacks girls have.

CloverNaght · « **Reply #340 on:** February 19, 2012, 03:39:37 PM »

Quote from: Antorory on February 19, 2012, 06:51:32 AM

it's just only increase the attack damage base on the last one you deal to enemy

if you buy two of them the example of how it work will be like this

Example

-You have total damage around 55-55 + 60 with two laevateinn effect

-You hit an enemy with armor around 25% reduction and the enemy is not a girl or tower so it deal 100% following the attack type and no girl's reduce calculating.

-You crit from you ability which deal damage x 2

-You real dmg [after whole calculating] will be [ [ [115 x 2] - 25%] + 12% + 12%] = 216.384 total damage deal

-coz each laevateinn increase dmg base on the lastest result of dmg calculating, so even it's stack together their percentage will calculate seperatly anyway.

-that is from my own test and i think ApharmB ever tell about how laevateinn work long time ago.

thanks a lot man now i'm clearly understand about this item

Antorory · « **Reply #341 on:** February 20, 2012, 05:51:03 AM »

Quote from: Dr Rawr on February 19, 2012, 02:33:51 PM

Wait a minute laevateinns stack? Also i get how it calculates damage, im just wondering if it only effects your base attack damage and not all these bonus effects to attacks girls have.

Yes it does, you can even buy 6 laevateinns without wasting its effect @-@

Helepolis · « **Reply #342 on:** February 20, 2012, 10:07:37 AM »

Huh, since when does Laevitan stack? AFAIK only the stats do, not the 12.5% dmg on girls. Aph :V ?

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #343 on:** February 20, 2012, 10:15:49 AM »

It's listed as a stackable passive effect. :V

It's the lifesteal that doesn't stack with itself, Hele.

Helepolis · « **Reply #344 on:** February 20, 2012, 10:39:43 AM »

Quote from: Ran Yakumo on February 20, 2012, 10:15:49 AM

It's listed as a stackable passive effect. :V

It's the lifesteal that doesn't stack with itself, Hele.

orzzzzzzzzzzz then why didn't I farm that item more on my Shizuha. Gdi I am such a noob with carry items.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #345 on:** February 20, 2012, 11:52:07 AM »

becuz u dum.

ApharmdB · « **Reply #346 on:** February 20, 2012, 12:07:23 PM »

Well it's easy to miss the "stackable passive" phrase when everything else says "Non-stackable passive"

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #347 on:** February 20, 2012, 10:08:27 PM »

why not just get a camera on shiz? seeing that laevatienn only effects your base attack damage, it seems only people who deal insanely large physical damage would only benefit. typically everyone end game now ends with 2000~ hp because lol +hp gain on levels. which means one camera deals an additional +80 damage on attacks. lets assume we have a minimal of 200 attack damage, with 1 laevatienn we deal and additional +25 damage, 2 would mean +50, 3 +80~ damage. with only 500 gold difference and having only to buy 1 item laevatienn doesnt look that great now. i guess if you wanted to get equal damage with one laevatienn you would need like what? 890 damage i think. only exception i can think of are koishi/flandre or yuugi and eirin if it gets stupid amounts of late game

i didnt include the +30 damage from agi gain because camera gives +45 so who cares :V

since im in a complaining mood, may as well make nazrins/yamames/keine passive attack effects active every x attacks, because having to rely on luck isnt cool anymore.

i still wound not touch lunar hairpin even if it was filled with candy

possibly redo yuri/lily to the attack range of yourself, if melee make it a set distance. i dont get why most peoples attack ranges were nerfed

make tojikos markers invisible to enemies

make violin first reduce magic resistance then flat magic resistance reduction

why cant chens passive and pads make 80% damage reduction >:|

also laevatienn doesnt effect attack buffs and other secondary effects from attaking like ikus chain lightning and wriggles d

Pesco · « **Reply #348 on:** February 20, 2012, 10:57:59 PM »

So Eirin gets laevatienn for the lulz?

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #349 on:** February 20, 2012, 11:02:48 PM »

carry eirin :V

Dorakyura · « **Reply #350 on:** February 20, 2012, 11:03:42 PM »

Quote from: Dr Rawr on February 20, 2012, 10:08:27 PM

i still wound not touch lunar hairpin even if it was filled with candy

Yuyu rushing Frost Hat is scary, and to rush you need lunar hairpin as opening.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #351 on:** February 20, 2012, 11:06:18 PM »

if you get lunar hair pin as starting, youve already failed. rushing does not mean getting the build up for it right away with your starting gold

Pesco · « **Reply #352 on:** February 21, 2012, 05:29:46 AM »

Rushing means gathering the gold to buy the item in a single go? I'm asking this to differentiate the mindsets of better players and noobs when it comes to money management.

Amraphenson · « **Reply #353 on:** February 21, 2012, 06:20:56 AM »

IIt can mean a lot of things. In general, if you're rushing a core item, you go out of base with items that help you fram faster, not necessarily help in general.

For example, old Reisen is rushing an IIW. Therefore, instead of generic four mushroom start, she sacrifices hp and gets 5 cat mints for last hitting.

In Yuyuko frost hat case, she maxes out wave and sadism asap for sustain+farm and starts out wwith basket, then rushes the ice cube asap. If she has a rough time, which she shouldn't, she grabs hairpin before cube. Otherwise cube, pin, ice hat.

Yuyuko ice hat is...okay? Seems legit. Icant imagine fuck-off-wait-you-cant-lolslow wave or heartstopper or ult would be bad. Should test with coins maybe?

In the end I agree with Rawr; pin is ass. No point grabbing it before the cube for ice hat, because fruit basket is all around better.

Helepolis · « **Reply #354 on:** February 21, 2012, 09:28:40 AM »

Getting Camera on Shiz is nice, but I wouldn't rush it as first item. Because the item is meant to puncture through tanky girls in the first place and it doesn't benefit you anything else (aside the nice AGI gain).

I always rush Smoking Dude on pretty much all carries because it gives you MS. MS means you stick with your enemy girl and Shizuha is known to hit hard anyway so like throwing leaves at running girls is always satisfying. Laevithan is a pretty good item because it helps you LS and do additional dmg which is for Shizuha a plus. With watermelon along you will hit quite hard.

If you got the money, get both items otherwise decide which item you want but I would get Smoking first no matter what.

CloverNaght · « **Reply #355 on:** February 21, 2012, 12:42:27 PM »

Quote from: Dr Rawr on February 20, 2012, 11:06:18 PM

if you get lunar hair pin as starting, youve already failed. rushing does not mean getting the build up for it right away with your starting gold

this is what everyone should read hands down

Dorakyura · « **Reply #356 on:** February 21, 2012, 01:03:45 PM »

sure, but getting fruitbasket as startup is lame :V
Useless starting items is awesome

Helepolis · « **Reply #357 on:** February 21, 2012, 01:50:57 PM »

Fruitbasket to counter Shizuha! Because she'll level up faster than you!

Amraphenson · « **Reply #358 on:** February 21, 2012, 03:20:45 PM »

Too bad the lame startyp item is hands down the best start up in the game.

Helepolis · « **Reply #359 on:** February 21, 2012, 07:26:09 PM »

Quote from: Amra on February 21, 2012, 03:20:45 PM

Too bad the lame startyp item is hands down the best start up in the game.

I think quite many people will disagree with you but w/e. Inb4hugedebateaboutFruitBasket