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Or the first episode of the first part is, anyway.
Seems like we're wrapping up this arc (?) of the franchise in anime form, with two shows running simultaneously. The first episode of the first one, which is a sequel to Goodbye Despair, just came out. We get to see Future Foundation and they're more or less exactly how I imagined them. We even get to see Remnants of Despair in their evil forms. They're a bit less gruesome than we were led to believe they might be, but then again I can't even imagine something that would live up to how stomach-churning the description of them in Goodbye Despair was.
Was anyone else caught off guard by how all of the blood in this episode was red and not pink? Almost makes me wonder if it's not actually blood. We'll have to wait and see if pink blood makes an appearance at any point, but my tentative theory is that nobody has actually died yet. Then again Makoto's blood when he got beaten up was red, so that kind of pokes a hole in that theory.
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Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Hold up.
When did this become a thing, and is it airing anywhere?
I need this in my life.
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Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Hold up.
When did this become a thing,
Relatively recently. After Danganronpa 3 was announced.
and is it airing anywhere?
Probably Crunchyroll. I honestly didn't even check because their subs have been pretty weak lately, but I'm pretty sure they announced that they would be carrying it.
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Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Hold up.
Another game was announced? Good god, I felt like Dangan Ronpa's just like vanished off the face of the earth lately and all of a sudden it's back
dang
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Yeah, it's announced for PS4 and is supposed to be way higher-budget than the other games.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Danganronpa_V3:_Minna_no_Koroshiai_Shingakki
Danganronpa hasn't dropped off the face of the earth at all. Lots of announcements and even a new game within the last year (Ultra Despair Girls). What you talking about?
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I just haven't heard about it at all. I haven't seen or heard anything about the series since I finished Ultra Despair Girls.
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I watched the first episode and all I gotta say is... make sure you have a pair of extra pants, your theories, some soda or whatever you drink and some popcorn.
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I just haven't heard about it at all. I haven't seen or heard anything about the series since I finished Ultra Despair Girls.
Not blaming you. The joke is that they skipped adapting the second game just to make their fantasy anime original already.
As for the episode, I'm kind of at a loss for words. :V
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I'm not at loss for words, I can verbal diarrhea about Danganronpa forever. My theories are very, very rarely even correct!
Alright, so the way I see it the biggest question right now is, obviously, who the villain is. These are the possible culprits as I see it:
-A member of Future Foundation. This seems like the obvious one, since we don't know them and one of them could very easily be super shady. Right now my money is on that doctor woman what died, and I'm speculating that she deliberately committed suicide as part of an elaborate plot to force Yu Narukami into taking action against someone, whether it be Remnants or the rest of the Future Foundation. Or maybe that animator guy did it, he seemed kind of shady.
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-Someone from Ultra Despair Girls. Haiji and/or Monaca are the most obvious culprits. I feel like this is fairly unlikely since it wouldn't be that much of a twist.
-Some from Remnants of Despair. We don't know who's even active right now, but it could be any of them. Hajime or Nagito are very possible, especially Nagito if he's awake. Again, not likely to be terribly interesting so possibly not that likely.
-Byakuya. He's an asshat and I hate him, therefore he must be the culprit. He's not immediately present that I noticed so he might be pulling the strings from the background somewhere. I don't really believe he's THAT much of a dick, but it's not impossible.
-Alter Junko. She was the villain in Goodbye Despair already, but we have yet to get a great excuse for why she hasn't been copied onto a million hard drives and rendered immortal, so technically she's kind of the most likely. But as an interesting option she's the least likely because that would be super boring.
-Alter Ego. Despite having been beaten by Junko multiple times Alter Ego seems to still be alive and well, so it's not really clear if the AI characters can actually die. Alter Ego survived her encounter with Alter Junko despite being defeated, and it's not clear if she survived beyond that, but I feel like we don't really have a reason to assume she didn't. And if that's the case then it makes a lot of sense to me that the reason Alter Junko didn't erase her is because she corrupted her after taking over the Neo World Program. This is my outside chance bet following "someone from Future Foundation", but I admit it would be pretty far out of left field and also pretty repetitive.
-A fucking ghost. Guys, remember how FUCKING GHOSTS EXIST IN THIS FRANCHISE APPARENTLY? How could a ghost not have done it now that that's a thing?
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It just wouldn't feel right if some incarnation of Junko wasn't the true villain, honestly.
Haiji and Monaca have to be involved though, or else it'd just be some totally loose ends that they just ignored, so I have a feeling they'll be involved.
I do absolutely hope Alter Ego plays some role in this series somehow.
I don't think Togami is the culprit. He's a complete ass, but in his case it feels that the ends justify the means. Naegi's too nice, so he needs to be the bad cop, for lack of a better metaphor.
Either way, I'm digging this and it's classic DR to go from 0 to 100 in nothing flat. Can't wait for the next episode.
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It just wouldn't feel right if some incarnation of Junko wasn't the true villain, honestly.
Well then that pretty much leaves a ghost, since AI Junko has basically been the villain twice in a row now. Or maybe some estranged relation of hers. I guess they could reveal just about anybody as being secretly her long-lost brother or sister and have them start taking on Junko-like traits.
Tangentially related, but do you think they'll ever address how Remnants of Despair got ahold of her corpse even though she died by being crushed into a pancake by a giant weight? I'm not sure if that should just be written off as a quirk of the second game not having been fully mapped out when the first game was written, or an actual plot point. It seemed like the manner in which she died was briefly alluded to in this episode (in the opening I think?) though, so maybe it actually is important. Maybe that corpse that the Remnants were fucking wasn't actually hers?
Haiji and Monaca have to be involved though, or else it'd just be some totally loose ends that they just ignored, so I have a feeling they'll be involved.
I guess, but it would feel premature to me to address those loose ends that quickly. Interested to see what happens I guess, they could probably pull it off in a way that wouldn't feel rushed. Also, keep in mind that this isn't the only Danganronpa anime this season. I believe the other one is a prequel so the loose ends regarding them couldn't be easily tied up in it, but they could be fleshed out and developed maybe.
I do absolutely hope Alter Ego plays some role in this series somehow.
I wonder if she could make AI versions of the rest of the deceased Danganronpa 1 cast? That could be a cool way to see some of our long-gone favorite characters again and a thematically interesting way of defeating whoever the bad guy is.
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To be honest my money is on Monaca... but it's all up in the air.
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Despair Arc >>> Future Arc for me
It's much more to my tastes. It's basically fanservice going over all the character quirks. "Oh, yeah, that was a thing." "Wait, don't tell me, it's THIS guy --THERE HE IS" etcetera. It's nice getting a reminder after, like, four years. Yukizome is awesome too.
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I'm just laughing so hard Despair Arc first episode omfg so many laughs and poor Mikan. I love this arc WAY more better than Future I wanna see more of this, I mean everybody was goofy as fuck to the point I laughed too hard. It's sad that
Yukizome died on Future arc, she's like the teacher I wish I had.
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Yup, I cared about the Despair Arc episode waaaay less than the Future Arc one. That's not to say it wasn't okay, but I don't prefer it. Maybe once the plot gets rolling I will, but it mostly reminded me how irritating most of the Goodbye Despair cast is.
So there are a few major points to take note of the way I see it.
-Chiaki being a real person is the obvious one. I assume this means that she will A) meet Chihiro at some point, since she's not a total fabrication after all and B) die before the end of the series. Also, if Chiaki is based on a real person does that mean Monomi is as well? Yukizome maybe?
(Edit: Or I guess it's possible that this still isn't real life and Chiaki is still an AI and never did actually exist, but what would the point of that be?)
-Unlike in the other episode, the blood is pink. This makes me think that the difference actually does matter.
These episodes are also my first major exposure to the Japanese voice casts, and I gotta say, I honestly really prefer the English cast. I'm definitely missing out on a lot of nuance, but the English VAs seem to have way more character. Especially Monokuma.
This is also reminding me how much of Goodbye Despair I don't remember. I played that game so quickly and it's so complex that I didn't retain a lot of relevant stuff. I don't think I really care to replay it since so much of it is based on surprises and puzzling out the ridiculously complicated scenarios, but I kind of feel like I have to to really follow exactly what's going on.
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On the contrary, I just finished the first episode of Despair and I am so fucking excited. I'm remembering how much I loved my favorite characters from DR2 (especially Chiaki and yes I'm going to be ebullient over her for the entire time especially since she's clearly one of the central focus characters which makes me all the happier because she's by far and away my favorite DR character along with Chihiro and Junko). I can't wait to see how it all plays out-- well I mean, we know how it will-- but I can't wait to watch them all fall to despair because it's going to be crazy.
Chiaki being a real person is really surprising to me on that note-- wasn't she created as an AI by Chihiro/Alter Ego? Or was that only in the digital world that DR2 takes place in? And we've no reason to believe that this is that digital world just yet, since this is supposed to take place before they fall to despair and the world goes to shit.
That said, I'm also reminded about how much I hated certain characters. There's that too. But still.
The Japanese voice casts are really solid imo, but that is also because I never really played any of the games with English voices-- especially so for DR2, because some of my favorite voice actors voice some of my favorite characters:
Chiaki - Kana Hanazawa
Sonia - Miho Arakawa (aka Himari Takakura from Mawaru Penguindrum and Ginko Yurishiro from Yuri Kuma Arashi)
Peko - Kotono Mitsuishi (aka Sailor fuckin' Moon)
Komaeda - Megumi Ogata (Shinji, Sailor Uranus, Yukito from Cardcaptor Sakura)
Gundam - Tomokazu Sugita
and so on-- Dangan Ronpa in general has kind of an all star voice actor lineup and I love it.
Finally, apparently the Impostor is Mitarai, or is Mitarai the Impostor? At what point do they disguise as Togami?
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On the contrary, I just finished the first episode of Despair and I am so fucking excited. I'm remembering how much I loved my favorite characters from DR2 (especially Chiaki and yes I'm going to be ebullient over her for the entire time especially since she's clearly one of the central focus characters which makes me all the happier because she's by far and away my favorite DR character along with Chihiro and Junko). I can't wait to see how it all plays out-- well I mean, we know how it will-- but I can't wait to watch them all fall to despair because it's going to be crazy.
Chiaki being a real person is really surprising to me on that note-- wasn't she created as an AI by Chihiro/Alter Ego? Or was that only in the digital world that DR2 takes place in? And we've no reason to believe that this is that digital world just yet, since this is supposed to take place before they fall to despair and the world goes to shit.
That said, I'm also reminded about how much I hated certain characters. There's that too. But still.
The Japanese voice casts are really solid imo, but that is also because I never really played any of the games with English voices-- especially so for DR2, because some of my favorite voice actors voice some of my favorite characters:
Chiaki - Kana Hanazawa
Sonia - Miho Arakawa (aka Himari Takakura from Mawaru Penguindrum and Ginko Yurishiro from Yuri Kuma Arashi)
Peko - Kotono Mitsuishi (aka Sailor fuckin' Moon)
Komaeda - Megumi Ogata (Shinji, Sailor Uranus, Yukito from Cardcaptor Sakura)
Gundam - Tomokazu Sugita
and so on-- Dangan Ronpa in general has kind of an all star voice actor lineup and I love it.
Finally, apparently the Impostor is Mitarai, or is Mitarai the Impostor? At what point do they disguise as Togami?
Chiaki threw me for a loop but for now I'm just assuming she was a real person and they modeled the VR AI after her.
It's weird if the imposter wasn't always a SHSL imposter. I was wondering if they retconned out the con artist. :V
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Can I also add how much I love the Despair OP? It's so GOOD :*
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re: the japanese voices, if you haven't heard megumi ogata's komaeda going 'sore wa chigau yo' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7JWlRFh0jc) then you've been missing out.
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It kind of blows my mind at how good of a voice actor she is. <3
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I may not absolutely love Despair Arc yet, but there is one thing I love: Now that Gundam isn't just a series of character portraits they can dress up his
hamsters Four Devas for every different context. :D
Chiaki being a real person is really surprising to me on that note-- wasn't she created as an AI by Chihiro/Alter Ego? Or was that only in the digital world that DR2 takes place in? And we've no reason to believe that this is that digital world just yet, since this is supposed to take place before they fall to despair and the world goes to shit.
As far as we knew she was completely made up by Chihiro. But clearly that isn't the case now. She isn't part of Remnants of Despair though, so something's going to happen to her at some point I imagine. It's not impossible that she's still alive, but I don't think it's likely.
Finally, apparently the Impostor is Mitarai, or is Mitarai the Impostor? At what point do they disguise as Togami?
I assume Impostor and Mitarai are different people, but it's not a sure thing. Impostor is probably my second-favorite character in Goodbye Despair so I'm pretty excited to see more from them.
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I got home from out of town and catching up on anime.
I'm really impressed with both of these arcs!
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Rewatching a little bit of Despair because something seemed... off.
Did anyone else notice how Chiaki's personality is somewhat different? Sure, she's still pretty asocial and aloof-ish, but in the game at least, she seemed generally cheerful and optimistic when she wasn't nodding off to sleep. In her conversation with Hinata, she almost sounded kind of sad, saying that he has freedom to become whoever he wants to be, while all she has is games.
Maybe being SHSL-anything isn't actually all it's cracked up to be.
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Rewatching a little bit of Despair because something seemed... off.
Did anyone else notice how Chiaki's personality is somewhat different? Sure, she's still pretty asocial and aloof-ish, but in the game at least, she seemed generally cheerful and optimistic when she wasn't nodding off to sleep.
Yeah, I definitely noticed that. Wasn't sure whether to chalk it up to the fact that I'm used to the English voice actress or not.
My theory is that since Chihiro apparently based AI Chiaki on real Chiaki but as far as we know they weren't very close, he may not have actually known her that well. The Chiaki we know may be pretty different from the real one because the inspiration could be pretty loose.
It's also interesting that while everyone else is the crudest possible cartoon version of themselves in this episode, we don't see Chiaki's characteristic narcolepsy. The episode seemed mostly interested with cramming as many "Remember when this happened?" moments in as possible, so I'm surprised we didn't see "Remember how Chiaki falls asleep a lot and is the world's easiest-to-murder person?". Or did she fall asleep and I just overlooked it?
In her conversation with Hinata, she almost sounded kind of sad, saying that he has freedom to become whoever he wants to be, while all she has is games.
Maybe being SHSL-anything isn't actually all it's cracked up to be.
My persistent frustration with Danganronpa has been that it's never fully fleshed out its themes regarding how being an ordinary person is okay and you don't need to be super special to make a difference. There are bits of that everywhere, but in the end it usually ends up being the special people who keep saving the day. This, along with Komaru, may end up being important pieces of that puzzle.
I really hope I don't have to watch Chiaki die again. I was fucking traumatized for life last time. :(
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Hmm, I honestly didn't think anime-Nanami was all that out of character compared to game-Nanami, since I always felt like she had a kind of melancholy air about her when it came to the whole being-an-AI thing. But of course the two Nanamis are entirely different beings, so it'll be interesting to see what kind of background and motivations anime-Nanami will show that will make her distinct from game-Nanami.
Her line is pretty interesting because while the academy pretty much pushes the idea that talent = hope, Nanami saying that talent limits her possibilities implies the opposite. Yukizome also says later on something about how it's the bonds of friendship that will make their hope shine, not their talents. The difference in their ideals is an interesting contrast, and could potentially be a conflict later on (esp. with the Kamukura Izuru Project getting under way).
Writing it out like this, I'm looking forward to the Despair arc a lot more, because it feels like it has a lot more potential. Although that might be because we know the general direction of where the Despair arc is headed, compared to the Future arc which can literally go anywhere at this point.
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I'm not even sure where to start with today's episode... so much happened. TOO MUCH HAPPENED
I'm a little disappointed that this killing game is so similar to Mafia/Werewolf, but it's mostly forgivable. The forbidden actions sounds fun.
I WASN'T EXPECTING A DR1 CAST MEMBER TO DIE SO SOON
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I am... in despair.
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WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHA
no
not cool wtf
:negative:
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Alright, I'm watching right now.
-Ha ha, Yu Narukami Guy's death in the opening is a self-inflicted bullet to the head. Granted so it's Makoto's, but still, PERSONA! confirmed.
-Monokuma's Japanese VA does nothing for me.
-Ooh, Monomi's here. That's interesting. It's not clear to what degree it's the same one. Presumably the Monomi we know was an autonomous AI that was just patterned after Gekkogahara, but I suppose it could have actually been her.
-I wonder if Gekkogahara needs that wheelchair or she's just being weird? Can she walk? Extreme long-shot theory: Gekkogahara is Chiaki. We know Chiaki was a real person after all now but we don't know what happens to her, so maybe she gets maimed by the Remnants and ends up joining Future Foundation? There are a ton of holes in this theory and very little basis for it, but they do look kind of similar from the very little of Gekkogahara we can see. Then again their hair is entirely different and most Danganronpa characters have similar eyes. But they do have a number of connections through Monomi, the New World Program, and potential visual similarities.
-Wow, what, that weird little girl man died already? Christ, that was fast. Too bad too, he seemed interesting.
-The action choreography and music are pretty lackluster. That's a budget thing I assume, but it's unfortunate. Oh well. Not really what the show's about.
-Twist isn't THAT much of a twist. It was going to be either Asahina or Great Gozu (or a long-shot of Gekkogahara, but I assume there's much more to be done with her) who was dead upon everyone waking up. I guess if I HAD to pick one it would be Asahina. That sort of points toward one of the three surviving people in that room as being the killer, but it's by no means a sure thing.
-I wonder if Kyoko's forbidden action has something to do with being a detective? She hasn't spoken up with many deductions which is a bit unusual. Maybe she's still just gathering clues, but it seems weird that we haven't heard more from her.
So every time I've played one of the games I finished it in a span of 36 hours or less, so I concentrated all of the anxiousness in as short a period as possible. Having it spread out over a number of weeks is going to be an ordeal. Almost makes me wish I had waited for the whole series to end to watch it, but then I couldn't talk about it as it airs.
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GDI... best character died... I need to binge on video games.... :fail:
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Am I the only one who thought the second despair arc episode was really, really boring? It was so slow I felt like I was watching it at half speed and none of the jokes were funny (Really, rape jokes? Wow, okay). I don't like being negative and I'm hoping the plot will kick in soon, but I'm finding it really hard to care at this point. Everyone else seems to prefer this arc though, so I don't know, maybe I'm alone in this.
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I mean, it was pretty standard slice-of-life fare so if that's not your cup of tea then I can see why you didn't like it ?\_(ツ)_/? But I can remember at least five different plot-related points worthy of discussion, so it's not like we're just twiddling our thumbs waiting for the plot to kick in ;v
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Yeah it's not the literally zero things happened, but the number of things that happened was completely disproportionate to the time it took. Maybe if the comedy was snappier and funnier I wouldn't have minded, but that was monstrously slow as well.
I think part of my problem is that it seems like we know exactly where this is headed. There have already been a couple of major twists, but a few more might renew my interest.
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Hmmmmmm....... so we see the
old dude from the future arc
then some fishy stuff going on along the side of the funny stuff today... I've seen the comments on Youtube and some theories of how the whole Despair arc might ramp up who knows I'm just still laughing because gdi Hiyoko why.
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If you watch the post-credits scene of the Despair arc episode, you can see
Fuyuhiko's sister being introduced to Hajime's class, along with the words "beginning of the twilight"...
Next week, it's going dooowwwwwwn.
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If you watch the post-credits scene of the Despair arc episode, you can see Fuyuhiko's sister being introduced to Hajime's class, along with the words "beginning of the twilight"...
Next week, it's going dooowwwwwwn.
OH SHIT SON!!!!
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I'm only going to keep repeating how totally ecstatic I am that Despair arc is essentially the Nanami Chiaki show. God knows she was one of the most unexplained characters in the game, so I'm so happy to see her backstory-- or rather,
her backstory as a human, assuming her AI form is different
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Anyway, I can only expect that the upcoming episodes will revolve around the murder of Kuzuryuu's sister
, since she has shown up.
Hmmmmmm....... so we see the old dude from the future arc
then some fishy stuff going on along the side of the funny stuff today... I've seen the comments on Youtube and some theories of how the whole Despair arc might ramp up who knows I'm just still laughing because gdi Hiyoko why.
Because there's nothing that will ever stop her from being an irredeemable (yet absolutely adorable) asshole.
TAYLOR SWIFTOOOOOOO
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I'm only going to keep repeating how totally ecstatic I am that Despair arc is essentially the Nanami Chiaki show. God knows she was one of the most unexplained characters in the game, so I'm so happy to see her backstory-- or rather, her backstory as a human, assuming her AI form is different
.
Anyway, I can only expect that the upcoming episodes will revolve around the murder of Kuzuryuu's sister
, since she has shown up.
Because there's nothing that will ever stop her from being an irredeemable (yet absolutely adorable) asshole.
TAYLOR SWIFTOOOOOOO
Yeah... Taylor swift!.
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Episode 3 Future Arc in a nutshell to me:
HAHAHAHA you just got punked Hina is not dead, but Gozu is... and... THE BACK STABBER RATE IS TOO DAMN HIGH!
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... :V
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... :V
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah that's how I was until the episode 3 ending.
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Watching now even though I should be going to work. After a complicated series of people jerking me around I thought I would have time to watch this morning but now I don't so I'm going to make time.
-WHAT. Fakeouts are not fair game. That's cheap.
-GREAT GOZA NOOOOOO! I would gladly trade Asahina for him! I know apparently everyone else loves her, but I don't. She tries to get you killed for no reason waaaay too many times in the first game.
-Confirmed that thing that we basically already knew where this facility is the overseas Hope's Peak branch we've seen in the other show.
-Wow, Gekkogahara and Asahina's forbidden actions are both pretty weird. I'm foreseeing these both getting in the way when they need to save someone later but can't without sacrificing themselves. Since apparently Monokuma doesn't execute people anymore I guess it makes sense that they need a new way to off characters to keep the pace steady.
-Every Danganronpa has to have one irredeemable supertool, huh? First Byakuya, then Nagito (then Nagito again), and now this Munakata guy. So inevitably he's going to be one of the survivors.
-Kizakura says he's going to "meet up with that girl" and then the camera cuts to a closeup of Mitarai's face. Is Mitarai a reverse trap? Is he anti-Chihiro? I think he would reveal his forbidden action to Kyoko if he could, so it might be "People find out you're anti-Chihiro". Although I don't know how that would work if Kizakura already knows that.
-Did Munakata not see the first killing game? Was he not paying attention? He KNOWS Makoto's platitudes can move people to action.
-Okay, so he does know that, but he's seemingly actually insane. Has Future Foundation been knowingly following a literal maniac this whole time or did he just get this way after Chisa died? We know he's been a tool for a while, but not necessarily murderously insane.
I didn't really have any problems with this episode. The low budget didn't really shine through like it did last episode and it moved along at a nice pace. Seems like we're getting one death a week
for now, which makes sense. I assume that will get shaken up later on, but it's a logical pattern for now.
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Despair Arc is still really failing to hold my attention. On the plus side,
the murder mystery that had the potential to be really boring got swept under the rug and resolved nearly instantly. On the other hand, this episode was super slow and dull. We don't know THAT much about anything else that definitely happens though, so I guess it will be all new stuff more or less from here on out.
Also, Chiaki's narcolepsy sort of confirmed not a thing at this point? I feel like we would have had to have seen it by now.
Also, thematically I do like where this arc is going. Just not so much in the actual execution so far. I feel like a dick complaining about it since everyone else seems totoally on board, but I am not at all at this point.
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Ok now we're getting to the meat of the Despair arc!
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Please animate episode 0 please animate 0 please animate dangan ronpa 0
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:V :V :V
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Alright, watching this episode now.
So the opening does seem to correspond with how people have actually died so far notably. I wonder if that's a red herring? If it is to be believed, Daisaku is the only one who obviously dies of poisoning so maybe the forbidden actions won't be directly killing anyone else. Which isn't that surprising I guess, it's much more interesting to have them corner people into situations where other things kill them at this point.
-Oh what the fuuuuck the chairman is a badass! Which means he's definitely going to die soon, because useful people in Danganronpa who aren't the protagonist always have to die early so they can't make things to easy.
-Hmm, in light of the flashback to Ryota getting punched I'm extra convinced he's secretly a woman.
-What's a chuusen? Is that a real thing? I couldn't find a reference to it anywhere.
-Red blood again. Still kind of caught up by that. It definitely means something since the other show has pink blood. I guess the obvious interpretation would be that this isn't a game anymore, but it is, isn't it?
-So in the opening the chairman dies from being wrapped in cables and electrocuted. If the opening is actually accurate then either this isn't actually going to kill him or it's just especially symbolic. Or has it been being updated to retroactively reflect the way people actually die? I don't remember. The way things have been going SOMEBODY has to die this episode, so it's most likely him. Maybe the opening doesn't mean anything after all.
-OH WHAT A ROBOT. THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING AND ALSO IT'S FUCKING SUPER COOL. I mean, we knew Danganronpa has super-advanced robots since Monokuma is one, but this is the first time we've actually seen a humanoid robot. I'm reminded of that weird android factory in Danganronpa 2. So this potentially means that Monomi wasn't based on Gekkogahara, but rather Gekkogahara IS Monomi. Also might explain why she doesn't walk or show her whole face, maybe the technology isn't perfect. Wow, that's super cool.
-Wait, is the villain seriously Monaca? That's super lame if so. I'm working under the assumption that she's A villain, but she isn't THE villain. I think she's being used by someone on the inside of the building.
Better and better. The action in this episode was actually not bad this time. Good shit.
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I almost started clapping at the end.
From this episode it's pretty clear that we're going to see more FF people in Zetsubou and also that we'll have more old friends showing up in Mirai. I wouldn't be surprised if Hajime and co. show up in Mirai for the grand finale.
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I FUCKING CALLED WHO WAS THE VILLIAN I FUCKING CALLED IT!!!
It was Monaca
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I don't think the mastermind is
Monaca, she was revealed too early. I wouldn't even be surprised if she wasn't the game's killer. Either way, I'm really excited to see how she'll play into the story.
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I don't think the mastermind is Monaca, she was revealed too early. I wouldn't even be surprised if she wasn't the game's killer. Either way, I'm really excited to see how she'll play into the story.
To be honest now that I think about it you and a few others might be right... something is off about that reveal...
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The mastermind is probably
the second Junko AI
with Mitarai
as the traitor...I think.
With how quickly she was revealed, Monaca is probably a third party who messes with crimes scenes for fun since robots don't sleep.
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The mastermind is probably the second Junko AI
with Mitarai
as the traitor...I think.
With how quickly she was revealed, Monaca is probably a third party who messes with crimes scenes for fun since robots don't sleep.
I almost forgot about the second Junko AI
.... also...Mitarai
as the traitor oh boy I would be spitting up my food if that was the case but then againhis actions and reactions when Kyoko asked him questions seem to be starting to look that way.
Hrm... so Monaca might become another Nagito?
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My number one suspect for the ultimate mastermind is still
Chisa. I think she killed herself on behalf of the Despair faction knowing full well that it would make Kyosuke go nuts. As for who the actual killer is, it could be Miaya, or it might be someone outside of the core group.
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Seiko is like, my favorite character out of the new cast right now.
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Seiko is like, my favorite character out of the new cast right now.
I like Seiko's design very well... hmm... you think in the despair arc they might show how both the candy girl and blacksmith got expelled due to Seiko?
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I like Seiko's design very well... hmm... you think in the despair arc they might show how both the candy girl and blacksmith got expelled due to Seiko?
Have you seen the latest despair arc episode?
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goddamnit nagito
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Have you seen the latest despair arc episode?
Oh you mean episode 4 is out? Ah let me go watch it now.
Edit: Repeating what Plastic Vortex said, godddamn it Nagito
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It took me forever to get around to watching the fourth Despair Arc episode because frankly I've been really bored it so far, but this episode was the best one yet by a lot in my opinion.
-Are we supposed to recognize that dog from somewhere? What was up with that dog?
-Like everyone, I came away from this episode really liking Seiko. She was one of the cooler characters in the Future arc anyway, but seeing her backstory is definitely interesting.
-That huge cast has been really going to waste so far for the most part. I'm here for The Impostor, and he's gotten like two lines so far! Oh well, I feel like an Impostor episode is fairly likely, so hopefully I'll get my fill later.
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Episode 5 is out for the future arc.... and
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK SEIKO WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -goes to sob in a corner- Also I think commandercool was onto something about Munkata being a major nutjob... I have a feeling he killed Seiko... due to he had her medicine at the end. Also Monaca is now basically another Nagito confirmed to me...minus the luck.
Oh and found out the schedule for both arcs Future arc comes out on Mondays while Despair arc comes on Thursdays.
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Alriiiiiight, super excited for this episode!
-Aw, Seiko is such a sweetie. Fuck Ruruka for taking advantage of her, and Sonosuke for defending Ruruka.
-Alright, so it appears that the opening does NOT change to reflect how people actually die, which means Kazuo's death is the only one so far that doesn't match. That being the case, currently I'm operating under the assumption that he is not dead. He might be such a badass motherfucker that getting impaled isn't enough to finish him off.
-If Kazuo is alive though does that mean nobody died last episode? Unless I'm forgetting something the only other option is Maiya, and her death in the opening has her getting cut in half the long way, which I'm pretty sure didn't happen. Maybe Seiko actually died from an overdose of her Hulk drug and is only still going on pure willpower despite being medically dead, and she'll stop moving once the drug wears off?
-I've got to start keeping a closer eye on the survivor counter at the beginning to spot discrepancies more easily. This episode says 13 survivors. Which I think means only three deaths since the beginning. Gozu, Daisuku, and ???. Not counting Chisa anyway.
-Oh, okay, Kazuo is still explicitly alive for now. I thought he stopped talking and moving last episode, but maybe not. And this might be a slight rewind I guess. And in light of that fact I'm still not really sure how the opening works.
-Why is Juzo such a scumshit? I usually expect a bit more nuance from my Danganronpa characters than just "he's a mindless thug". Backstory incoming I assume.
-I've never liked Asahina before, but I sure like her now. She's not just being counterproductive dead weight and her new look is cool.
-Hmm, I wonder what Kyoko learned? Maybe that Chisa's body isn't actually Chisa and that she's using a fake corpse, Junko-style?
-I am now 90% convinced Chisa is the cause of all of this, but who's the attacker? Kazuo's reveal makes the most sense if he says the attacker was Chisa, but can she be both the culprit and the attacker? Maybe the aforementioned false corpse, or maybe she set this all up so far in advance that she still counts? I feel like the only other reveal that could have shocked Kyosuke that much is if Kazuo told him that Kyosuke himself is the attacker, and I suppose that's not impossible either through various potential shenanigans.
-Actually Kyosuke being the killer does kind of make thematic sense. If he has a dual identity even he isn't aware of (maybe being hypnotically coerced by Miaya as the Ultimate Therapist or something?) then he sort of resembles Monokuma's split appearance. And if that's the case, he just lost his left eye, which is Monokuma's white eye. Meaning the maybe his good side is dead now and he's going to become the straight-up villain at this point?
-Well, Seiko being the one to die was kind of likely, but I'm sad she is. And again, as of right now it looks like her death doesn't match the opening since she appears to have been shot. Maybe her drugs made her heart explode and she wasn't actually murdered?
-Hmm, the credits sting kind of makes it look like Kyosuke did kill Seiko, but maybe more out of necessity than because he's the killer. Or maybe he had no problem killing her out of necessity since he now knows he killed Gozu? Not like he's been hesitant to try to murder people up to now.
Yup, another good episode. Damn week-long wait until the next one.
-Alright, so to summarize, my current theory is that Chisa initiated all of this and manipulated Kyosuke into unconsciously being the killer up to now, probably with Miaya/Monaca's help. Now that Kyosuke knows that he's completely broken and the side of him that wasn't under Chisa's control is evil now as well.
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-Are we supposed to recognize that dog from somewhere? What was up with that dog?
In the beginning of the episode there are a ton of lost dog signs on the walls, and in the end you can see it on Tanaka's shoulder.
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In the beginning of the episode there are a ton of lost dog signs on the walls, and in the end you can see it on Tanaka's shoulder.
I know, but why?
I mean, now we've seen it twice, but what was up with those "wanted dead or alive" posters? Just a weird joke I guess?
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??? I'm not totally sure what you're asking, but it's just a simple, self-contained story. Tanaka loses dog. Tanaka posts wanted signs. Tanaka finds dog.
From a meta perspective, they probably just added in these minor details to give the dog some context, since otherwise it would just be a random dog with no explanation. But I guess they didn't do a very good job at it? ;v
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Alright. New minor theory. Worked this out with a roommate earlier, fairly confident about it unless I missed something.
In light of how he keeps using weapons, I'm fairly certain Juzo's forbidden action is that he can't hit people with his fists. But wait, didn't he punch Ryota in the gut earlier? So that being the case and given that he used weapons against Maiya and Aoi I think it's more specifically that he isn't allowed to hit women with his fists.
Meanwhile, several different factors, all of which I've mentioned previously, have been pointing to Ryota being a crossdressing woman. He wouldn't let Kyoko see his forbidden action because I'm pretty sure it's "Someone finds out you're a woman". Since Juzo has already hit him, this sets him/her up to sacrifice himself/herself later on to kill Juzo right before he does something bad by revealing himself/herself, killing them both. So maybe Juzo's action has to be "Knowingly hit a woman with your fist" or something.
It's kind of crazy, but I think enough signs do point to it right now.
??? I'm not totally sure what you're asking, but it's just a simple, self-contained story. Tanaka loses dog. Tanaka posts wanted signs. Tanaka finds dog.
From a meta perspective, they probably just added in these minor details to give the dog some context, since otherwise it would just be a random dog with no explanation. But I guess they didn't do a very good job at it? ;v
It wasn't Tanaka's dog though? Isn't it Seiko or Ruruka's dog? I think he just ends up with it at the end. It is the same dog from the beginning of the next episode isn't it? Or did they just weirdly use the same model for two different dogs associated with the same characters?
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(http://puu.sh/qx2yS/4545d2092e.jpg)
(http://puu.sh/qx2o0/34f629662c.jpg)
doesn't look like the same dog to me ;v
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Huh. It sort of does to me. Looks like the same dog but older. It's definitely not for sure, but they're weirdly similarly shaped if they're not the same.
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In light of how he keeps using weapons, I'm fairly certain Juzo's forbidden action is that he can't hit people with his fists. But wait, didn't he punch Ryota in the gut earlier? So that being the case and given that he used weapons against Maiya and Aoi I think it's more specifically that he isn't allowed to hit women with his fists.
Meanwhile, several different factors, all of which I've mentioned previously, have been pointing to Ryota being a crossdressing woman. He wouldn't let Kyoko see his forbidden action because I'm pretty sure it's "Someone finds out you're a woman". Since Juzo has already hit him, this sets him/her up to sacrifice himself/herself later on to kill Juzo right before he does something bad by revealing himself/herself, killing them both. So maybe Juzo's action has to be "Knowingly hit a woman with your fist" or something.
It's kind of crazy, but I think enough signs do point to it right now.
Juzo actually kneed Ryota, but it's easy to miss. He was also getting ready to hit Aoi before he kneed Ryota, so I don't think that's it.
I think Ryota is a guy and the reason he doesn't want to reveal his action is because he's the traitor and his action has something to do with suspending above ground. Ryota was one of the few FF members scouted directly by Tengan. Combine this with Tengan knowing who the traitor is (and not doing anything about it), and I think he's a good pick for traitor. It's possible the killing game was originally orchestrated by the Tengan and several members of the future foundation in order to find the new ultimate hope that will overcome all despair - just like Naegi's hope was matured in the killing school life, this FF killing game would weed out the trash and create a new ultimate hope, and the mastermind could be pinned on some despair pansy. Ties in to Tengan saying he didn't want the hope project to go to waste. This last paragraph is just pure conjecture though, like the current building being an underwater complex located under the headquarters.
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Yeah, a big problem with theorycrafting is that I haven't been going back and re-watching anything.
Juzo actually kneed Ryota, but it's easy to miss.
Hmmm, yeah that's definitely a thing. So that does kind of throw fuel on the "Juzo isn't allowed to punch people" fire, except...
He was also getting ready to hit Aoi before he kneed Ryota, so I don't think that's it.
He COULD have just been trying to scare her and not actually intending to follow it through.
There's also the fact that, for all intents, him not being able to punch doesn't really seem to matter. He's still seemingly an invincible super-hulk, and of the people who fit that description two are dead, one is on his side (or at least was until just now) and one has already lost to him. So if he actually ever needs to punch anyone it will be Kyosuke at this point. Or maybe an indestructible door that he can only break with a punch or something. Barring something like that though he could probably take out the rest of the cast without ever needing to throw a punch, so the restriction must be there for a reason. Or conceivably he's faking and his restriction is something else, but I'm not sure if he's that sneaky or not.
I think Ryota is a guy and the reason he doesn't want to reveal his action is because he's the traitor and his action has something to do with suspending above ground. Ryota was one of the few FF members scouted directly by Tengan. Combine this with Tengan knowing who the traitor is (and not doing anything about it), and I think he's a good pick for traitor. It's possible the killing game was originally orchestrated by the Tengan and several members of the future foundation in order to find the new ultimate hope that will overcome all despair - just like Naegi's hope was matured in the killing school life, this FF killing game would weed out the trash and create a new ultimate hope, and the mastermind could be pinned on some despair pansy. Ties in to Tengan saying he didn't want the hope project to go to waste. This last paragraph is just pure conjecture though, like the current building being an underwater complex located under the headquarters.[/spoiler]
I think the idea that a Future Foundation member orchestrated this game, probably for approximately that reason, is very likely, but my money's on Chisa. Tengan may have been in on it, I'm not sure.
There are a few people who could have been in on it, and Tengan and Ryota are definitely among them. However, I'm not sure Kysouke's reaction to hearing who the killer is fits if it was Ryota unless they have some relationship we haven't seen yet. He seemed pretty ready to suspect just about anyone, so that level of shock makes the most sense if it's one of the few people who he didn't suspect, or someone who seemed like an impossible choice. Maybe he was shocked because he considers Ryota too ineffectual to pull it off, but I don't think so at this point.
Regarding Tengan not wanting the project to go to waste, I was thinking he may have been referring to Hajime specifically. He probably helped Makoto save the Remnants to keep Hajime alive. Not sure what further significance that has at this point, and it didn't occur to me he might have meant something else. Have to go back and re-watch that I guess.
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It's the beginning of the end, and I am going to love it
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Didn't get around to watching the new Despair Arc episode for a bit, but roommate busted down my door last night all "Hey there's a huge plot twist you're going to love, watch it right now". So I did.
The "huge plot twist" he was talking about was the Impostor/Ryota thing. Because he didn't realize that that's been a thing for the entire series apparently.
This was a nothing episode. As much as I want to see The Impostor do shit, nothing happened that I can remember. Is there a single thing we learned that we didn't already know?
Also not a fan of casual serial killer The Joker Junko. I understand that she's a wacky cartoon character of a villain, but that went a bit far of me. Like apparently she's already killed hundreds and hundreds of people before enacting her master plan? That kind of lessens it a bit for me.
The one minor takeaway I had from this episode is possibly just nothing, it's a little bit of framing at the end where Junk talks about "the two people who are going to bring despair to Hope's Peak arriving" or something and she's talking about herself and Mukuro but the camera is actually on her and Makoto. Could be nothing, could be foreshadowing to Future Arc, could be foreshadowing that Makoto has a bigger role in the Atrocious Event than we knew.
Anyway, this episode got upsold to me and I was boooooored the whole way through despite technically getting some of the stuff I've been asking for. Definitely a step down from last episode.
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As soon as kid Ryota showed up I was thinking "RIP that's a death flag if I ever saw one" but by the end of the episode I felt like it wasn't nearly enough backstory to call it a death flag just yet. Although I guess since they started his "arc", it's not like they're going to leave him alive after they complete it, so I guess he's done for. So I guess that means he's not the traitor after all? That's kind of disappointing. "Strong sense of justice" and "enamored with hope" are two character traits just begging to lead to a mental breakdown filled with despair, so I was hoping it would go in that direction ;v
Also it looks like this episode confirmed some of the answers people had to common questions like "where are the rest of the people in the 77th class" (answer: there are multiple classes) and "why is the impostor disguised as Ryota if he was disguised as Togami before school started" (answer: he changed disguises). So the writers seem to know what they're doing in terms of continuity, so I guess I don't need to doubt them :L
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I don't really see Ryota's development as a death flag. Seiko was a dead end in terms of characterization and plot relevance so it made sense that she would die off when she did, but Ryota has too many loose ends hanging around him I feel. I'm a little worried about the "Future Arc is all an anime designed to fill everyone with hope and Ryota is the protagonist who will save the world there" twist with Ryota's backstory and the storyboard frames on his desk which turned out to be actual frames from Zetsubou, but the latter is probably an easter egg.
I was wondering what the Imposter was doing while he was impersonated as Byakuya, before he adopted Ryota's identity. Was he already attending Hope's Peak as Byakuya; in that case woudl the 16th seat in that class be his?
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Watched Episode 5 of Despair arc and... oh boy... this is gonna be a train wreck on Episode 6 yes?
Junko was a psychopath before even being one and causing the whole world to fall down... dafuq mang. Mikan and Imposter moment was like... GIRL HOLD THE FUCK ON... let him finish telling his backstory. Everything else is... starting to fall into place and Hiyoko's sudden change seems to have been explained.
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Some interesting screenshots from despair episode 5
http://imgur.com/a/jfkNX
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I wouldn't look too much into it, it could be a very cool easter egg
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That's what I thought, especially since it happened 3 times. Just something fun.
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Episode 6 spoilers.
Well, since there was zero development for Ryota this episode so the last ep was just a red herring I guess. :v
The popular theory appears to be that Ruruka caused Izayoi's death via NG and tried to cover it up by making it look like the attacker did it. If that's the case, the highest priority concern for the anime would be to resolve this plot thread, which would mean that the next future arc episode will probably be focused on Ruruka. Revealing the truth behind Izayoi's death, flashbacks, et cetera, leading up to Ruruka being killed by the attacker. It makes things much neater if Ruruka dies because that means only the "important" characters are left, meaning we can properly go into endgame territory :v :v
Monaca is probably not the mastermind since Monokuma specifically lied and said that their game was being broadcast, so it doesn't make sense for Monaca to enable communication with the outside which would allow the players to learn that the game wasn't being broadcast. I'm still not totally sure what the connection between Monaca and the mastermind is, though, or what Monaca is trying to accomplish in the first place.
The final thing is that there's supposedly a connection between the attack on Jabberwock Island and the killing game taking place, but I have no idea what the motives would be for someone who would do both of those things. ?_?
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Holy shit that plot twist at the end... are the Danaganronpa 2 cast starting to turn back into remnants of despair??
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Holy shit that plot twist at the end... are the Danaganronpa 2 cast starting to turn back into remnants of despair??
Well they never finished the rehabilitation process, they just hit the reset button on it hoping everything would turn out alright :v
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Well they never finished the rehabilitation process, they just hit the reset button on it hoping everything would turn out alright :v
Oh right... welp shit is about to hit the fan.
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Alright, episode six of Future Arc. Been looking forward to this.
-Well, death counter's wrong. That's sketchy as fuck.
-Aw, Teen Chisa is a cutie. Even Juzo didn't seem that bad as a kid. Wonder what the fuck happened? Oh wait...
-Okay, so the scene with Chisa's corpse semi-confirms that it actually is her and not a fake or a different person. It is possible that Kyosuke either isn't of his right mind and might not be able to recognize if it isn't the real deal, or maybe he knows if it isn't and when he says "Goodbye, Chisa" he means that he's resolving to kill the real her if this one is a fake. Planting his sword in it seems like it miiiight be him striking back against her if she is in fact the culprit, is dead, and he knows that. Not really clear what it means, but obviously that scene is important.
-Well, the scene with Kyoko's corpse is obviously a dream sequence, but it got me for like a split second.
-Kyoko calling Gozu the attacker's second victim implies that she thinks the same person killer him and Chisa. Not necessarily a stretch, but not a given either as far as we know is it? Or was her death specifically attributed to the killer?
-Sonosuke's death seems like it was probably the missing one from the survivor counter, so unless something else crops up that probably means that he was killed during the sleep period. If that's the case, two people died, him and Seiko. Does this mean that one was killed by the killer and the other wasn't? If so then that kind of implies that Kyosuke is not the killer after all and that there's another one, but it's conceivable either one of them could have through other means and was already dead when the killer got there. My best guess is that Sonosuke killed Seiko, and Kyosuke found them shortly after and killed Sonosuke. Although Ruruka's REALLY suspicious in all of this too.
-Semi-confirmed that Maiya is not actually a separate character, she seems to be directly puppeteered by Monaca at all times. Wasn't sure if Monaca could only see through her eyes or if she had direct control, but she does seem to have direct control. Also probably confirms that she is an android and not a cyborg for whatever that's worth.
-Oh man, is it time for Byakuya to actually fucking do something or is he just going to fuck it up while pretending he's helping yet again? Is this the real Byakuya? He seems too useful, I bet he's a recording or a fake made by Monaca.
-Oh shit, it actually was him.
-Wait, does the real Maiya being dead have any relevance to the kill counter? This could free up a spot for someone who we thought was dead to have been alive the whole time. Chisa maybe?
-Yaaaaay more characters I actually like!
-Oh shit are the Remnants still evil after all? That was definitely a possibility. Well, they're confirmed awake, although it would have been kind of weird if they weren't.
The final thing is that there's supposedly a connection between the attack on Jabberwock Island and the killing game taking place, but I have no idea what the motives would be for someone who would do both of those things. ?_?[/spoiler]
That does kind of poke a bit of a hole in my "Chisa is a member/ally of the Remnants and set this whole thing up" plan... Or maybe not. It's possible she fully expects the Remnants to win, either because she sabotaged the peacekeeping force, because they're just that powerful, or because she expected an intervention from another party. If that's the case the attack could be a ruse to reinforce to the Remnants that Future Foundation is their enemy and push them back toward despair.
That does leave addressing why the game wasn't actually being broadcast, but it could be because she didn't want anything that happens to or with the Remnants to be public or something? Maybe she wants them to return to power from the shadows or to be able to pull off the ruse that they actually are good now? That doesn't quite make sense, I'll have to think about it some more.
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Okay, I've totally figured out who the next death will be.
The cases follow the same pattern as in the first two games:
3-1: Someone important is found stabbed in an unexpected place (Chisa falls from the chandelier).
3-2: The presence of a serial killer is revealed (Monaca).
3-3: The double murder (Seiko and Izayoi)
3-4: The Big Guy dies as a result of a sacrifice.
Juzo is going to die going down in a fight to protect someone else. He'll punch someone or something and die by NG code.
Real talk though. Munakata arming up confirms to me that he isn't the mastermind or traitor. But if he is planning to take on the mastermind or traitor, the only person I can think who poses that much of a threat is maybe Juzo (unlikely) or Monaca with her super arsenal. That said, I don't think Monaca is the mastermind because a) Togami said she was and Danganronpa likes making Togami completely wrong and b) why wouldn't she broadcast the game? Hunches aside, Monaca being connected to the game would explain how Monobear "hijacked" Monomi in the beginning; it would be scripted.
The revelation that the killings aren't being broadcast leads me to think this was game was setup as either a 1) personal grudge 2) internal consolidation of power or 3) controlled setting to create a new ultimate hope that can overcome the despair of a killing game, using the top echelon of the FF to provide the greatest possible stepping stone. Because if you're not going to broadcast the game, there's no reason not to just kill all the FF members in one swoop. Tengan having knowledge of who the attacker was and doing absolutely nothing about it makes me think it's either 2 or 3; the timing of the fleet sent to destroy the remnants of Despair would match up with this as well. Based on an analysis of who would be aligned with Tengan, I think the remaining people running the game are in the pool of Ryouta/Koichi/Chisa, with a chance of a mindwiped Munakata also being involved, in which case he'll commit suicide after wiping out all the other conspirators. That would explain why Tengan expected Munakata to stop attacking him after revealing the attacker, if he was involved in setting up the game.
tl;dr - the killings not being broadcast make me think this is an inside job. Or the mastermind just didnt have time to set up cameras lol, but then that wouldn't explain how they're able to monitor and set off NG codes, which are so varied that they can't be automatic.
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Episode 6 of Despair arc:
So Junko managed to out logic Izuru and in turn I think that Ryota might be the traitor theory might come to light in Episode 7 of Future arc or the impostor takes his place either one of these things are on the table.
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Episode six of Despair Arc was the second non-terrible episode so far. A bunch of stuff we didn't already know about happened. A lot of it seems pretty relevant to both shows.
They fully canonized that thing from that light novel about what Junko's real power is.
I can accept that.
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Episode 7 of Future Arc:
Looks like Monaca is blasting off again to become a space neet, huh... I guess commander you were right about her not being the mastermind which means... it has to be an inside job, although what was going on at the end? It's good to see a call back to Ultra Despair Girls which made me happy.
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Thought things over a bit while bouncing some ideas off people, refined my earlier theory.
Koichi and Ryota are the mastermind/traitor pair. Hunch is Koichi for the attacker - he's kept his left hand in his pocket the entire game (http://imgur.com/a/3Zg99) to hide the fact he doesn't actually have a bracelet; Ryota doesn't seem like the type of person to get his hands dirty, and I feel like the mastermind would be more likely to wear a fake bracelet. Him and Ryota are the most likely to have been working with Tengan. Ryota shows some sign of guilt and asks Kirigiri about what she thinks about the kind of person who would run the game. Alternatively, there is no "mastermind" and Ryota is just one of a few collaborators, of which Tengan was one and Koichi is the designated attacker. Note that Koichi and Tengan have been pretty chill this entire game - not too worried about dying perhaps? The only other person I could see being involved in the setup of the games is Juzo (recruited as the attacker, motive would be bitterness), but he'd have to be working with someone else at least. I'm assuming Chisa is actually dead unless we have the Make-up Artist from Killer Killer involved.
Motive for the game: The Kamakura project was a failure, but after seeing Naegi's awakening as the Ultimate Hope in the first killing game, traitor-kun saw the best way to create a new hope. Ryota, Koichi, and him worked together to set up this internal killing game to create a new hero. This would be why Togami didn't detect any activity from the remnants of despair. This would also mean the chopper shooting at Hagakure is aligned with the Future Foundation; they're not trying to kill him, just prevent him from interfering. The similarity to the previous killing games are there to create a sense of urgency to tap into any hidden reserves of hope that only emerge in times of despair.
Chisa was probably killed first for the same reason that the FF fleets were sent to wipe out the remaining Remnants of Despair. She was tainted by association and despair must be eradicated.
Monaca will probably end up saving the day in the last episode and get redeemed.
Key questions:
Why is the body suspended? Unless they're just doing it for kicks there's presumably a reason.
16th participant, do they exist?
Edit: Forgot to add the most important part.
Munakata is walking towards Kyoko; not to confront her, but the real people behind this game.
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Edit: Forgot to add the most important part.
Munakata is walking towards Kyoko; not to confront her, but the real people behind this game.
Ah... that would make sense.
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Alright, finally got some time to watch Future Arc 7. Aaaah past the halfway point.
-Well, Monaca being "Junko 2" does kind of explain how they would be able to pull off Junko being the villain yet again. Although it's still fairly widely assumed that Monaca isn't the main villain, but I don't think that's a problem. I was kind of expecting her to be good-ish now though and it looks like she miiiight not be.
-I still think it's pretty weird that all of those shitty kids from Ultra Despair Girls survived. Like... How though? I know there was an ending that showed they were alive, but was there some other hint to it that I just missed? Kind of seemed like an asspull, even within that game.
-Yaaaay Komaru and Toko! I am so on board with this!
-Genocide Jill isn't as fun with the Japanese voice actress...
-It's more or less conventional that someone dies every episode, and this episode seems like it focuses on a different cast. Does that mean one of them will die? Does that mean Byakuya just death flagged by saying "As long as I'm alive we can't lose"? God I hope so.
-Wow, that episode was really uneventful for this show. So we eliminated a red herring and set up an important new plot point so I guess that's a lot, but it felt like barely anything happened.
-So is Maiya out for good, or will Komura be controlling her now? Seems like a decent opportunity to reintroduce one of the AI characters and have them control her I guess?
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Alright, took me a while to get around to episode seven of Despair Arc because this show is on my bad side, but I've heard good stuff about this episode.
-Just from watching the opening scene I would be inclined to guess that Ryota is going to play a huge role in the Catastrophic Event by giving Junko access to stealthy brainwashing techniques and that that's why its effects were so widespread, but I don't know that he would be in Future Foundation if he fairly directly personally destroyed the world. And I'm not sure if it would devalue the whole premise of the series on a thematic level if all the despair caused by the Event was the result of literal brainwashing. Maybe it wouldn't, but it would sure change the dynamic.
-The comedy in Despair Arc has been pretty weak so far, but I think every time a joke has revolved around Gundam it's been funny. Not that I want more pointless filler, but I wish he was in the show more just so we could see his hamsters in some different outfits.
-I'm getting increasingly tired of invincible omniscient ultra-mastermind super-serial killer Junko. I know it's not really out of step with how she's been portrayed in the games and obviously we know that she does lose eventually, but that's such a tired trope.
-Wow, good on the show for making each member of the student council unique and obviously interesting. It's just like they're another Danganronpa cast and we could have gotten to know all of them as easily as any of the other classes. Given the show's obvious budget problems I'm really impressed they didn't just use generic blue cutouts.
-Jesus, that was disgusting. There's the nausea-inducing Danganronpa we all know. Can't help but feel like that carnage wasn't reeeeally earned. Couldn't we have thrown one of the boring filler episodes away and gotten an entire episode based on the student council instead? That way this would have been even more horrifying and would have felt a lot less truncated.
-Oh hey, this is that one song from Evangelion. This show is anime-savvy enough that I'm sure that's a reference and not a coincidence.
-Okay, the headmaster's line about "They've done what we expected" makes me feel a bit better about how easily Junko is getting away with everything. If the school wasn't somehow unaware that she was blatantly murdering people in broad daylight nonstop then that makes things a lot more believable. Then we have the question of why they're putting up with her, but that's an interesting question and not a shitty plot hole, so great.
-Wow, Tengan is super suspicious now, yeah. This seems like a huge check in the "He's one of the culprits" category.
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Tsubasa wo Kudasai is a traditional Japanese Folk Song :v
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Yeah, I'm not saying Eva invented it, but they used it very famously in a very similar scene.
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Oh god Episode 7 of Despair arc scared the shit out of me...
Edit: Episode 8 of Future arc (subbed) will be delayed until tomorrow.
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I don't mean to double post, but holy shit Episode 8 of Future was awesome:
Ruruka got her just deserts and everybody was spot on about Izayoi's forbiden action he wasn't allowed to eat food especially from Ruruka, although yeah she did indeed killed him due to her forbidden action... also are we gonna see in episode 8 of Despair arc of how Sukaraka (or w/e the boxing dude's name is) got beaten by Junko I saw a him saying he wasn't gonna fail no more and saw Junko and her shit eating grin with Hope's Peak in the back ground, something tells me we might see his side of the story. Then on top of that Koichi's forbidden action was opening his left hand which he had to use to save Kyoko and we find out he was the one that took the picture. But that ending though what does it mean? Also seems like fake Gekogara is now being auto pilot to kill Future Foundation members.
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Late again, but I'm ready for episode eight of Future Arc:
-Do we know the woman from that bizarre opening bit? I don't remember her.
-Who's even flying those Remnants helicopters? Monokuma?
-Ruruka tripping was a pretense to grab a bomb or something, wasn't it?
-There's that eye/face thing again when someone dies.
-Huh, is Ruruka the killer? I'm guessing she isn't and she's on another third or fourth side, but I guess she could be.
-Daaaamn Kyoko's badass just detectiving without breaking a sweat as she's actively about to be murdered.
-That door is a trap, isn't it?
-Oh wow, I was definitely expecting the post-credits sting to be Juzo prying the door open, being blown away by a spear trap or something, and Ruruka realizing she killed Sonosuke for no reason. Maybe that's coming, or maybe it's just a fake. Or it was a real door but if it was it probably doesn't work any more...
This was a nice solid episode. Nothing absolutely mind-blowing happened but it confirmed some suspicions and set a lot of stuff in motion.
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Late again, but I'm ready for episode eight of Future Arc:
-Do we know the woman from that bizarre opening bit? I don't remember her.
She's the substitute teacher that fainted in Despair arc Episode 2
Edit: Episode 8 of Despair arc will be delayed tomorrow.
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Despair Arc Episode 8: HOOOOOOOOOOOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!!
At least now we see how Mikan went bonkers, and also the Impostor's disguise might be revealed next episode or so, however OH GOD WE MIGHT SEE CHIAKI DIE WHICH I'M SCARED OF and then we see Iszuru and Nagito have a luck off... and wow Chiaki recognized Haijime even though he's now Iszuru that is scary.
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Despair arc 8:
Tsumiki: Worst character in this cast?
Man, I really like Ryota though. Gonna be so disappointed if he turns out to be evil.
Wait, why can't Junko copy Ryota's ability? And for that matter why can't Hajime just do it? Clearly he's extra special somehow.
Aaaaah what is Impostor up to?! Impostor episode please!
I guess I'd have to re-watch the series with this in mind, but what do we think about Nagito's talent? Is he really actually magic, or is he just super smart and passes everything off as luck? He definitely seemed to actually have magic powers at least a couple of times in Danganronpa 2, but I kind of brushed that off as being a result of the fact that nothing that happened in it was real. His plane happening to crash land near an oasis definitely seems like luck, unless he brought it down himself in just the right spot for some reason. Hmm...
I've been wondering if Mukuro is "like that" when she's in soldier mode, and this seems like confirmation that she isn't. This is definitely more like the version of her that we saw bits of in the first game, so I guess she's just weird around Junko. Interesting.
Oh weird, so Hajime CAN copy Nagito's luck? Well if that's the case then this is, again, kind of confirmation that it is actually real and not him just bullshitting. Unless Hajime managed to fuck with his gun somehow. But if he can copy it shouldn't Junko be able to as well? And why can't either of them copy Ryota's talent?
Well, that episode kind of raised more questions than it answered, but they're interesting questions, so good I guess?
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SUMMARY EPISODE? BULLSHIT.
Does anyone know if I have to force myself to watch this? Is there any new or interesting information? I could honestly use a summary for some stuff, but I can never bring myself to watch summary episodes even if it's a good idea.
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Do you really, really, think it's a summary episode? C'mon man.
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Yeah, I did. This is anime, and relatively low-budget anime at that. Is it not? Good.
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I can't really say much more without spoiling it, but it's far from a recap episode.
Will probably make a post later, still mulling over things in my head.
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Cool. I look forward to watching it tomorrow then. I skipped ahead to see if there was an interesting framing device and I thought it looked like a summary with a particular framing, but I won't say anything so as not to spoil anything, especially given that I don't actually know what I saw.
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Future Arc Episode 9:
Ruruka really wow... IZAYOI WASN'T GONNA BETRAY OR HE WOULD'VE NEVER SET THE TRAPS although she was the one to die next in a brutal way although at least wow no Kyoko and Makoto kiss while Ruruka and Izyaoi get a kiss scene WOW REALLY ugh. Everybody guessed it Kyoko's forbbiden action was Makoto related however it was just Makoto living pass the 4th time for the sleep drugs to kick in and my theory of Munakata being the culprit WAS on par I think, but damn man this is crazy... also rip Juzo. My heart just sank dude... Kyoko dies... GAME FUCKING OVER. Edit: EVEN THE INTERNET IS IN DESPAIR OVER KYOKO'S DEATH.
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It was pretty good for a recap episode. I think they used some new animation for some of the scenes instead of just reusing animation like a normal recap episode would. :v If I'm right, there's probably something in those new scenes that will be important for the remaining episodes.
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Alright, episode 9.
Lol, I stopped watching literally a split second before "surprise, it's actually not a recap episode". Well, that's what I get for believing something Monokuma said.
On one hand it sucks that there's so little Monokuma in this show, but on the other hand, I really don't like Japanese Monokuma that much.
Hmm, so it looks like the theory about the actual game being in an underwater facility beneath the main tower was right, not terribly surprisingly. And I guess now the tower is crashing down on top of it?
Okay, robo-Miaya dies in the same manner as the opening once again. But there are enough counterexamples to just confuse me. Weird. Like with the red blood, I have no idea if this means anything.
Given how quiet she was at the beginning I had been assuming that Kyoko's forbidden action was talking about her theories or talking to Makoto, but it looks like neither is the case. I guess she was just busy gathering information. Or has her forbidden action been revealed and I just forgot?
If Sakakura makes it out of this episode I'll be shocked. Hell, if he makes it out of this scene I'll be shocked.
Lol yup, that was pretty much inevitable. I assume this week's Despair Arc episode will explain why. Unless they're both just talking about Sakakura and Chisa, in which case that's reeeeally petty.
Hmm, Kyoko's death flagging pretty hard and Ryota is acting pretty suspicious... I still don't think Ryota is the villain though, I think he's referring to something he's going to do in Despair Arc.
Oh noooo Kyoko! Noooo! She was never my favorite character, but she certainly wasn't my least favorite and I was liking her more and more as this show went on. Wow, that's rough. Is that this the highest-profile death the series has ever had? I mean, I'm not surprised, but I was hoping it wouldn't happen. Somehow.
Okay, so Munakata 1000000% confirmed as the main villain then? Or is this a red herring?
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Alright, episode 9.
Or has her forbidden action been revealed and I just forgot?
Oh noooo Kyoko! Noooo! She was never my favorite character, but she certainly wasn't my least favorite and I was liking her more and more as this show went on. Wow, that's rough. Is that this the highest-profile death the series has ever had? I mean, I'm not surprised, but I was hoping it wouldn't happen. Somehow.
Okay, so Munakata 1000000% confirmed as the main villain then? Or is this a red herring?
1. At the end they revealed Kyoko's forbbiden action which was Makato being alive during the 4th round. Also something interesting was found by Kyoko's body but you had to catch it quick, but I'll tell you what it was, she apparently had the Cure-W that Seiko had tried to give to the farmer that died from his NG some people think she might had taken it before they all passed out, but it's speculation and her notebook was found too which means she might have noted everybody's forbbiden actions well actually she DID have all of their forbbiden actions.
2. Pretty much Kyoko said, it herself and everything that Munakata has done thus far points to him being the villian and plus you can see on his FF phone that he had a list of everybody's forbbiden actions.
3. Juzo making it out from that stab wound, nopechucktesta.
I'm surprised you didn't talk about Ruruka unless you're secretly celebrating?
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My comments were written in real time as I was watching, so my question about
Kyoko's forbidden action
is obviously answered later.
Munakata's phone and knowing about Kyoko seems to strongly confirm him as the mastermind, but there still might theoretically be time for a swerve that implicates Ryota. I hope not and don't expect it, but it's possible.
I was happy Ruruka died. She was even worse than I thought. Good riddance.
So at this point we seem to have definitively broken the formula of five survivors in a showdown with the culprit, unless the remaining Danganronpa 1 cast members show up and count.
Can anyone comment on the death counter? My roommate swore it was +1 from where it should be at the start of this episode, but nobody's gone back to check yet.
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Whoa, wait a second.
Isn't Munakata's phone actually the thing he tore out of Gekkougahara?
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Oh, you're probably right. I didn't make that connection at all. That seems like a weird plant, but that's probably true. Okay, yeah, that changes a lot.
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My comments were written in real time as I was watching, so my question about Kyoko's forbidden action
is obviously answered later.
Munakata's phone and knowing about Kyoko seems to strongly confirm him as the mastermind, but there still might theoretically be time for a swerve that implicates Ryota. I hope not and don't expect it, but it's possible.
I was happy Ruruka died. She was even worse than I thought. Good riddance.
So at this point we seem to have definitively broken the formula of five survivors in a showdown with the culprit, unless the remaining Danganronpa 1 cast members show up and count.
Can anyone comment on the death counter? My roommate swore it was +1 from where it should be at the start of this episode, but nobody's gone back to check yet.
It said... fuck 10 I think....
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Death counter was 9 (down 1 after Kizakura died last week; the other 6 deaths are Chisa, Bandai, Gozu, Seiko, Izayoi, and Tengan so it's correct if we start from 16). After the deaths of Mechamiaya, Juzo, Ruruka, and Kirigiri, we should be down to 5. However, the only living players we know of are Naegi, Asahina, Ryota, and Munakata, so again we have the mysterious 16th participant which has been counted all game.
I feel like there's something off about Kyoko just lying down and dying for Naegi like that. Unless she already figured out who the mastermind is in her little notebook, it seems out of character for her to just accept her death without trying to crack the case beyond "maybe it's Munakata." I'm hoping she's faking her death somehow, but I don't know how she'd fool the mastermind and what her plan would be.
I don't think Munakata is the main villain, and I'll be typing up a huge post what I think the setup is later.
Edit: typo
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We already pulled the fake-out death of a beloved Danganronpa 1 character this series once, and it felt cheap then. If Kyoko also turns out to be alive it's going to be bad. I think the solution is in her notebook or otherwise written down somewhere. Or maybe... Alter Kyoko?! No, my guess is it's in the notebook. Maybe cryptically hidden.
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Not a big fan of death fakeouts myself but in the event that Kyoko was faking her death it would be part of her grand plan to reveal the mastermind so it would be an essential part of the story, not like Asahina's death which was Kodaka and Monaca trolling the viewers and could have been left out with nothing of value lost.
I do think the notebook is important; at 20:35 you can see the notebook lying underneath her arm, but if you look at 18:42, the notebook was nowhere near her when she collapsed. So someone was looking at it while everyone was knocked out. Was it the traitor/mastermind, or was it Kyoko?
Oops, I meant I don't think Munakata is the main villain, not isn't.
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Death counter was 9 (down 1 after Kizakura died last week; the other 6 deaths are Chisa, Bandai, Gozu, Seiko, Izayoi, and Tengan so it's correct if we start from 16). After the deaths of Mechamiaya, Juzo, Ruruka, and Kirigiri, we should be down to 5. However, the only living players we know of are Naegi, Asahina, Ryota, and Munakata, so again we have the mysterious 16th participant which has been counted all game.
I feel like there's something off about Kyoko just lying down and dying for Naegi like that. Unless she already figured out who the mastermind is in her little notebook, it seems out of character for her to just accept her death without trying to crack the case beyond "maybe it's Munakata." I'm hoping she's faking her death somehow, but I don't know how she'd fool the mastermind and what her plan would be.
I don't think Munakata is the main villain, and I'll be typing up a huge post what I think the setup is later.
Edit: typo
I've actually seen a theory floating around that Hagakure is counted in the death counter for whatever reason despite not being in the building itself.
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Oops, I meant I don't think Munakata is the main villain, not isn't.
Yeah, I wondered which one you meant.
For the record, I don't necessarily think he's the MAIN villain. I briefly did yesterday when I got confused about that phone, but overall I haven't been under the assumption that he was. However, I do think he's the killer in the game. My guess for the main villain is still Chisa, although I'm not sure whether she's alive or dead at this point, or where Tengan fits into this.
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Eh, got too tired to think more about my theory so posting the incomplete version. I picked up bits and pieces from stuff people have talked about elsewhere.
http://i.imgur.com/YQwIwo7.jpg
Why did Munakata refer to Asahina and Naegi as despair? Because everyone is latent despair, and they're being converted to despair one by one before committing suicide. So Munakata reasons that it's easier to kill them before they inevitably submit to despair.
Look at the death scenes (refer to image above). The anime goes out of its way to point out the Monokuma screen above each dead body. Because the mastermind needs some way to visually communicate with the participants, via the brainwashing techniques that Ryota has perfected. After everyone falls asleep, one person is revived and is brainwashed into becoming despair, after which they commit suicide.
There are a lot of small details which support this. Gozu's eyes being gouged out; maybe he tried to stop himself from looking at the video? Ruruka trying to kill herself with candy like the way she killed her two best friends, and slicing herself across the legs like Nagito did, maybe to try to snap her out of the brainwashing. The ripped pieces of cloth in Ruruka's hands. Ruruka and Chisa crying as they died, implying they were awake; if the killer was someone else, why would they be awake? Because it was a suicide. The knives are probably hidden around the building or are provided by an accomplice who also sneaks around at night through the ceiling tiles.
The bodies are suspended because Monaca was messing with everyone. This is also why Ruruka's body isn't suspended; Monaca left.
So who set this up? Recall that Tengan wasn't too worried about dying off, and he also knew the attacker. Why? Because he is one of the people who set up the game. After the disaster of Class 77 becoming despair and the failure of Izuru, Tengan realized that the Hope can only be instilled if people have already overcome despair, so they won't be susceptible to it. Tengan already sees that Munakata and the rest of the FF are on the verge of despair, so he decides to put his plan into motion to purge the current FF of despair. With the help of Ryota, he sets his plan into motion: members of the FF will be plunged into despair one by one to see if they can overcome it with hope. If not, they kill themselves and the cycle continues until they find someone who can become true hope. This what Tengan meant by not letting the results of the Kamakura project go to waste. It's why he knew who the attacker was. It's how this entire game could have been set up under the FF headquarters without anyone else knowing. It's why he entrusted the world's hope to Ryota in his dying message, to make sure the game continued to run smoothly. It's why Munakata went nuclear after Tengan told him the truth, and why he's killing everyone before they fall into despair, because Munakata believes only he is true hope. It's why Tengan was surprised when Munakata killed him and asked Munakata where he would find hope.
Also, as I said above, Kyoko's notebook moved during sleepy poison gas time, which means someone in the room was awake during that time (closed room, although technically we still haven't seen if it's still closed). This supports Ryota being some sort of accomplice, since other than the theory that Kirigiri was faking her death, I don't see anyone in that room who could have looked at the notebook.
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Eh, got too tired to think more about my theory so posting the incomplete version. I picked up bits and pieces from stuff people have talked about elsewhere.
http://i.imgur.com/YQwIwo7.jpg
Why did Munakata refer to Asahina and Naegi as despair? Because everyone is latent despair, and they're being converted to despair one by one before committing suicide. So Munakata reasons that it's easier to kill them before they inevitably submit to despair.
Look at the death scenes (refer to image above). The anime goes out of its way to point out the Monokuma screen above each dead body. Because the mastermind needs some way to visually communicate with the participants, via the brainwashing techniques that Ryota has perfected. After everyone falls asleep, one person is revived and is brainwashed into becoming despair, after which they commit suicide.
There are a lot of small details which support this. Gozu's eyes being gouged out; maybe he tried to stop himself from looking at the video? Ruruka trying to kill herself with candy like the way she killed her two best friends, and slicing herself across the legs like Nagito did, maybe to try to snap her out of the brainwashing. The ripped pieces of cloth in Ruruka's hands. Ruruka and Chisa crying as they died, implying they were awake; if the killer was someone else, why would they be awake? Because it was a suicide. The knives are probably hidden around the building or are provided by an accomplice who also sneaks around at night through the ceiling tiles.
The bodies are suspended because Monaca was messing with everyone. This is also why Ruruka's body isn't suspended; Monaca left.
So who set this up? Recall that Tengan wasn't too worried about dying off, and he also knew the attacker. Why? Because he is one of the people who set up the game. After the disaster of Class 77 becoming despair and the failure of Izuru, Tengan realized that the Hope can only be instilled if people have already overcome despair, so they won't be susceptible to it. Tengan already sees that Munakata and the rest of the FF are on the verge of despair, so he decides to put his plan into motion to purge the current FF of despair. With the help of Ryota, he sets his plan into motion: members of the FF will be plunged into despair one by one to see if they can overcome it with hope. If not, they kill themselves and the cycle continues until they find someone who can become true hope. This what Tengan meant by not letting the results of the Kamakura project go to waste. It's why he knew who the attacker was. It's how this entire game could have been set up under the FF headquarters without anyone else knowing. It's why he entrusted the world's hope to Ryota in his dying message, to make sure the game continued to run smoothly. It's why Munakata went nuclear after Tengan told him the truth, and why he's killing everyone before they fall into despair, because Munakata believes only he is true hope. It's why Tengan was surprised when Munakata killed him and asked Munakata where he would find hope.
Also, as I said above, Kyoko's notebook moved during sleepy poison gas time, which means someone in the room was awake during that time (closed room, although technically we still haven't seen if it's still closed). This supports Ryota being some sort of accomplice, since other than the theory that Kirigiri was faking her death, I don't see anyone in that room who could have looked at the notebook.
That all makes a lot of sense, but I just have one question: What's up with the forbidden actions? Why did Tengan give himself a forbidden action, especially an extremely potentially disastrous one? It would have made sense if he had planned to reveal it early on to gain everyone's trust, but he didn't. I guess it may have just been fake and the fake message was intended to drive a point home to Munakata, and he could have (and maybe even did) lie the whole time with no consequences.
The monitors are definitely a big thing, and it's possible that they're just meant to indicate that someone was brainwashed (Munakata), not necessarily that the victim was. That doesn't explain a lot of the major clues that seemed to indicate that the victims were awake though, unless there was a single killer and he was covering his tracks in a very specific way for some reason.
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Yeah, that's the issue, it's not a complete theory, since I haven't figured out how to account for why people were given forbidden actions. I don't think Tengan's NG code was a fake for some reason. I actually can't think of a reason why forbidden actions are there in the first place except for extreme sadism, which leads me to think Junko, and I'm rejecting Junko part 3 out of hand because I refuse to believe it. A lot of the NGs are ironic and they seemed to be specifically tailored for the individual, but I can't for my life figure out what that means.
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Well, the new episode confirms that
I have no idea what's going on anymore, other than this leads to the assumption that Chisa is the mastermind and faked her death. Although now if Munakata and Juzo also know Junko was the mastermind, that opens up the question of why she was left in Hope's Peak with the rest of her classmates.
Edit: Actually, combining the Chisa mastermind theory with the monitor suicide theory makes some sort of sense, what changes is the motive becomes despair instead, which is typical of Danganronpa I guess.
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Despair arc 9:
I haven't been particularly enjoying Chisa up to now, but when I look at it I think a lot of that just has to do with her ridiculous outfit. If she dressed like she does in Future Arc I think I would like her a lot more.
OH SHIT, The Impostor was just wearing a mask this whole time? This changes nothing but I'm still very impressed by it! It's nice that he really does care about Ryota, since he has arguably been kind of taking advantage of him.
Ha. Gundam's hamsters are still reproducing.
Wow, I don't have much to say about this one. It was pretty much just transitional for the most part. Lot of setup, not much major actually happened. As far as we know Ryota is not ever going to be part of Ultimate Despair. Who knows how he'll take this exactly, but I can't imagine it will cause him to overtly side with Junko. It might make him prone to being manipulated into some shady shit by Tengan. But the Chisa theory is going stronger than ever, so how do those things fit together?
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Despair Arc 9:
So much plot going on and I think the whole Chisa might be the mastermind thing is starting to really make me think it is... weird... and why would Isuzru let Chisa go which is weird...
*lightbulb* AH! Maybe... WHY MUNAKATA KILLED JUZO WAS BECAUSE HE KEPT THE FACT THAT CHISA WAS BRAINWASHED FROM HIM!!!!! Weak theory, but who knows...
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Well, based on
Tengan's reveal, the only way I can see him knowing about everybody dying and telling no one else is because he set up the game. And if he's not one of the Remnants of Despair, then this game was an inside job. There's the option that his NG code was fake though and he was just lying through his teeth if he's one of the people who set up the game though.
Pretty sure monitor suicide is nigh confirmed now though, or at the very least brainwashing is. Not sure how Chisa and Ryota fit into this though.
Edit: I forgot the most important thing: 6 PEOPLE ALIVE! That means either Juzo or Kirigiri is alive, and I'm going to guess Juzo (watch it be Togami being kidnapped and entered into the game). A little disappointed that Kirigiri is actually dead, but I'm interested in what her deductions were. Asahina running in with Ryota to tell Naegi and Munakata would seem to confirm that it's neither Ryota or Munakata. So, Tenga, Chisa, or the 13th Branch Leader, Ultimate Despair Chiaki Nanami? So many options. We have to get a mastermind monologue at some point though so even if Tengan was involved he had an accomplice who's running the game now.
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Alright, Future Arc 10.
I've been hearing a LOT of compelling evidence that Kyoko faked her death, and frankly if that's the case I'm going to be a bit disappointed at this point. I can't imagine that not feeling cheap.
Wait, according to Munakata's phone someone's forbidden action is "Kyosuke Munakata dying". Who is that? It's probably Ryota, right? Is there anyone else we don't know the forbidden action of at this point? I guess it could be his own for some reason if the door opening theory is wrong, although I'm not sure why that would be.
Was that blood or makeup he wiped off her face?
So my best guess is that Makoto read Kyoko's notebook offscreen and is going to halt Munakata by revealing who the mastermind (Chisa, after some fashion or other) is to him at a pivotal moment. Not sure why he's running around and not just doing it on the spot, but he probably has a reason to bait him somewhere specific.
OH SHIT! So the multiple killers theory is semi-confirmed (it's still not entirely clear how literal Tengan was being, he may have just meant that anyone has the potential to snap and kill someone else, but he probably meant the hypnosis suicide thing) and Chisa as the villain seems pretty fucking confirmed as well. Also, notably, her note seemed to have been written in pink blood. It's also possible that the note wasn't intended to confirm that she was the mastermind and just the she killed herself, but I'm not fully convinced of that.
Does this mean Tengan lied after all? Or that he was speaking in Obi Wan Kenobi part-truths?
Also, what was up with that shot that zoomed in on Kyoko's bracelet? It seemed to be highlighting the fact that it was off, right? Does that mean something? Have we usually observed them behaving differently in situations like this?
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Munakata dying was Chisa's NG code, it was visible in the previous episode when Munakata looked at Gekkobot's phone brain. Ryota's NG code is the only one we don't know at this point.
Well at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Tengan lied. If he was involved with the game from the start then he could probably circumvent his NG code, and if he wasn't involved with the game then it's extremely fishy that he didn't tell anyone else what he told Munakata, in which case he probably found a way to circumvent his NG code anyway.
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I'm pretty sure it's just the case that what he says is vague enough to be technically true very easily. I'm not necessarily saying he lied about anything, just that there are a handful of ways it could be interpreted or twisted and still be true so there is room for some variance. Technically Hajime could be sneaking around in the air ducts knifing people on Tengan's explicit orders and he could say "Everyone is a potential killer" and be completely telling the truth, because anyone COULD snap and kill themselves or someone else.
The suicide theory is definitely looking likely, but it's not the only possibility at this point. My theory regarding him remains the same as it has been: He's shady as hell and may be a would-be culprit or involved, but I don't think he's THE culprit.
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Edit: I forgot the most important thing: 6 PEOPLE ALIVE! That means either Juzo or Kirigiri is alive, and I'm going to guess Juzo (watch it be Togami being kidnapped and entered into the game). A little disappointed that Kirigiri is actually dead, but I'm interested in what her deductions were. Asahina running in with Ryota to tell Naegi and Munakata would seem to confirm that it's neither Ryota or Munakata. So, Tenga, Chisa, or the 13th Branch Leader, Ultimate Despair Chiaki Nanami? So many options. We have to get a mastermind monologue at some point though so even if Tengan was involved he had an accomplice who's running the game now.
The writer for Danganronpa 3 said in an interview that Juzo is IN FACT dead and that you have to watch Despair arc to find out why Kyousuke killed Juzo.
I'm holding out that that Kyoko could be alive, but then again it could be a fake out.
Episode 10 Future Arc:
Chisa being the mastermind is starting to feel like it is, but how is something we have to find out, it also seems that in Kyoko's notebook it's revealed who the attacker is on which the cliffhanger happens at... then on top of that Makoto fucking pulls a Kirigiri and says what we all thought Kyousuke's NG is "Opening doors" ahahahahahaha oh man... but then again the people who watched episode 3 and translated what Tengan said about the attacker alternating really have a way with reading lips. On top of that at the end of the credits it looks like the remaining remnants of despair stole a ship.
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Not really anime related but new trailer for the third Danganronpa game is out so it's probably of interest to people here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSrX5QaneQY
MC is a girl
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Looking forward to seeing Monokuma again, since he's been virtually absent so far in this series.
New main character looks great!
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Not really anime related but new trailer for the third Danganronpa game is out so it's probably of interest to people here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSrX5QaneQY
MC is a girl
Shut up and take my money!
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https://twitter.com/PXTfD/status/776522425135620096
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https://twitter.com/PXTfD/status/776522425135620096
Is this a ill omen I'm sensing... PX?
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Is this a ill omen I'm sensing... PX?
They did it again. They played with my heart and I got lost in the game.
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Despair arc 10
I've gotten the vague impression that people around the internet are really, really mad about this episode. So that's, uh, worrying.
Was the sound quality of this episode really fucked up for anyone else?
WHAT. They actually successfully explained in like thirty seconds why Juzo is such an asshole. Wow. I'm super impressed. If we had, uh, known this before it would have helped his character a lot, but it's a good reveal.
Man, fuck Juzo though. If he had been less of a coward we could have had hot yaoi action AND prematurely dead Junko, but instead we got no yaoi and a million murders.
Alright Danganronpa, this is your chance. Do not fuck this up. Don't just do something horrible to Chiaki again. You already did that to me once and I was fucking traumatized, if you do it again I am going to be super pissed. This is a great chance for a plot twist where something non-horrible happens.
No no no no NO NO NO NO NO DON'T DO THIS AGAIN!
Oh god. I'm seriously half inclined to just quit watching. But something different could happen... Oh god... It could turn out different.
Oh god. This is so much worse than last time.
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Jesus fucking christ. Stop it. This is so far past too far.
THIS IS SO MUCH WORSE THAN LAST TIIIIIIME.
Fuck you anime. Fuuuuuuck yoooooou.
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The absolute madman.
https://twitter.com/SpikeChunsoft_e/status/776575711289053184 (spoilers)
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Despair Arc 10:
FUCKING HELL I'M CRYING MY EYES OUT NOT COOL NOT COOL MY SOUL IS NOW CRUSHED UUUUUUGH THAT'S JUST UUUUUUGH!!!!!
AW HELL NAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!!!!
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Danganronpa Future Arc 11:
FUCKING JUZO WAS ALIVE now is dead like Kyoko ... so basically the monitors brainwash the future foundation members into killing themselves that's just crazy... but then again it makes sense...BUT HOLY FUCKING SHIT SO TENGAN WAS ALIVE TOO WHAT THE FUCK MANG!? At least Kyosuke WOKE THE FUCK UP right, right? Well it all comes to the wire now... Tengan might be the mastermind.
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Good episode, but I'm a bit worried about how they'll wrap everything up in one episode (for Future), seems impossible.
Also, I still have HOPE that Kirigiri is alive.
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Future arc 11:
I'll level with you, I seriously considered just quitting watching altogether after the last episode. Still traumatized. I'm still traumatized from when Chiaki died in fucking Danganronpa 2, and that was over a year ago and magnitudes less horrible, so I think I'm scarred for life. I don't THINK anything worse could possibly happen though, so it's probably best to keep watching in case, you know, something good happens.
I am kind of worried for the next game though. There's a real strong trend running of each release in this series being significantly more disgusting than the last and I can't even imagine how that would work if the trend continues.
Anyway, on to the episode.
Hmm, once again the sound on the stream I'm watching is jacked up. The background audio cuts out whenever anyone talks. Happened for the first half of last episode too.
Okay, so we are going to get a direct continuation of last episode. I wondered if this might not be a Remnants-focused episode and that we would have to wait another week to see what's going on with the main plot.
Alright, suicide theory for the attacker basically completely confirmed. There's still a tiny outside chance that this is a setup given that Asahina was alone with the notebook for a bit and could have doctored it if the theory about her being shady is true, but it cites all the right reasons so it's probably the case.
Wait, how is Makoto's plan supposed to work? It's predicated on the idea that one person will be given a weaker dose of the sleeping drug and will wake up early to kill themself, right? How does he know it will be him and not someone else? I didn't notice, but I guess everyone else picked a place with no monitors around to hole up in? I'm surprised there even are places like that. How would the game work if everyone just incidentally fell asleep in a place with no monitors?
Okay, so there's a proximity thing to determine who gets woken up, but that still doesn't cover what would happen if everyone was out of the range of the monitors.
The video of Monokuma is a reference to this song (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloomy_Sunday), which allegedly causes people who hear it to commit suicide.
Aw, it's Chihiro. Kind of not how I wanted to see him again...
Man, this was a really stupid plan. Even if he couldn't slip out of the ropes he still could have bashed his head in on the walls of floor or impaled himself on that rebar or something.
Aaaaand the reveal is that Kyoko is alive..?
No, okay, it's that Juzo is alive. I'm surprisingly okay with that even though it makes no sense.
You know I've been wondering this whole time if someone cutting their hand off would work.
This whole monitor thing seems really fishy. I'm not saying it's not necessarily what's going on, but we've already established that there's a way around them (sleeping in a room they're not in) and now that they can apparently just be broken with no consequences? I would've expected them to trigger the wristbands or otherwise be boobytrapped if they were tampered with. What would have happened if Juzo or somebody had just smashed one in anger at the very beginning and found the hidden knife? Seems like a pretty hole-filled plan.
It obviously doesn't mean much at this point, but I feel like Ryota is acting pretty consistently with the idea that he actually doesn't know what's going on. Maybe he knows that his technology is being used, but I'm not convinced he's a part of it on purpose. We won't know for sure at least until his forbidden action is revealed though.
Man, even more holes in the monitor plan if the power room was in a known location and completely unguarded the whole time. But more importantly than that, IT'S NOT TOO LATE FOR HOT YAOI ACTION! They denied us of just about every kiss so far, so at least we can still have this one maybe. And slightly redeem two of the shittiest people in the cast while we're at it.
WHAT, NO KISS? Fuck you Danganronpa. Somebody's gotta kiss somebody! At least give us Byakuya and Toko at the end! And I don't even like Byakuya, I just want some kissing!
Tengan still being alive at least kind of explains the thing with the opening.
Edit: Oh yeah, one more thing that I should address: This episode really seems to strongly point away from Chisa being the actual culprit. She's obviously evil, but she may not be THE mastermind. I'm not willing to call it on that theory quite yet, but it's looking unlikely.
I've been wondering about wrapup from the beginning, just because given the current airing order the last episode of the entire series will be a Despair Arc one, which doesn't seem right at all. I'm guessing there will either be some kind of conclusion special or the final Despair Arc episode will actually be a Future Arc episode, putting then at 13 and 11. Which seems about right, since there can't be THAT much left to do for Despair Arc.
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I've been wondering about wrapup from the beginning, just because given the current airing order the last episode of the entire series will be a Despair Arc one, which doesn't seem right at all. I'm guessing there will either be some kind of conclusion special or the final Despair Arc episode will actually be a Future Arc episode, putting then at 13 and 11. Which seems about right, since there can't be THAT much left to do for Despair Arc.
I wonder how they're gonna end it off at, the part where Makoto finds them and ships them off to Jabberwock Island?
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I've been wondering about wrapup from the beginning, just because given the current airing order the last episode of the entire series will be a Despair Arc one, which doesn't seem right at all. I'm guessing there will either be some kind of conclusion special or the final Despair Arc episode will actually be a Future Arc episode, putting then at 13 and 11. Which seems about right, since there can't be THAT much left to do for Despair Arc.
According to the broadcasting schedule, this week's Despair arc episode should be the last, and next week in the same time slot there will be a Danganronpa 3 special program aired. Also, the special episode is labeled Side:Hope (instead of Despair or Future), which gives me optimism for a happy ending. Maybe it will be a crossing over between the characters of both series for the grand finale.
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Despair Arc Episode 11 Finale:
All these damn killings and suicides... along with Chisa's crocodile tears and blowing up her classroom... please go the fuck back to the hell yah came from... also foreshadowing Daganronpa 1 and everything... also seeing the virtual Chiaki going desu is cute. Overall... the ending was like lolwut everybody died the end?
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Despair Arc 11:
Man, watching Chisa act like nothing happened is... Really upsetting. That's deeply unpleasant.
Goddamn, everyone acting normal like this is fucking obscene. I'll give the show this, that is really creepy and ominous.
I guess he's probably just lying, but Tengan seems to have no idea what's going on. How much does he actually know and what the fuck is he up to? He seemingly let Junko in for a reason, but why? Has he been a deep cover admirer of hers or is this part of some kind of plan to make hope stronger by giving them an enemy fight, Nagito-style?
Alright, I'm ready for my happy ending now. Don't fuck it up, TV.
So notably AI Chiaki still has her weird speech patterns and different personality and voice, which I wasn't sure she would since I'm not familiar with what she sounds like in the sub. I wonder what that means.
Edit: Is it possible the reason real-life Chiaki and Alter Chiaki are so different is that Alter Chiaki is actually a real person, just a different person? The obvious candidate seems like Miaya. Maybe that explains her narcolepsy and different speech patterns and stuff. I hope not though, because if so that means they managed to kill her as many as three or four distinct times and I am not okay with that. Maybe it's someone we haven't met yet? Although I feel like there's evidence in Dangaronpa 2 that probably refutes that idea. I don't know.
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Danganronpa Future Arc Episode 12 (Finale):
WOAH SO Mitarai's NG was he couldn't use his talent... and what a fucked up way to use it on Hina of all people, something tells me somehow when Chisa gave the video to Tengan a year ago he watched it and became a remnant of Despair what the fuk mang but yet he was fine... WOW MITARAI DUDE WHY YOU'RE BEING SUCH A DICKBAG!!!
Wtf not the 4th wall break theater again with Chisa and this time Junko... also Byakuya and Hiro saved the day.
CLIFFHANGER OH HELL NOOOOOOOO NU-UH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!! -explodes-
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Despair arc 12! Let's get some loose ends tied up and some secrets revealed!
Hmm, so this makes it look like the "Chisa is the mastermind" and "Tengan is the mastermind" theories may not be mutually exclusive. Which makes sense I guess.
So not surprisingly it looks like Tengan isn't actually alive after all. But doesn't that leave another person to be accounted for then? Maybe Kyoko? I honestly forget at this point.
Ha ha wow, that is the greatest troll of all time. Junko has nothing on Tengan's comic brevity.
Aw, poor Ryota. He's wrong, of course, but man, I feel for him. And I guess this pretty much throws any chance of him being evil out the window once and for all. He's terribly misguided, but I can fucking understand why.
Hmm, if Makoto's theory is true does it explain everything? It sort of explains why the game wasn't broadcast, but not reeeeally why the forbidden actions had to exist unless it was to keep the players from being able to crack the game too easily. And the whole framework of the game is still awfully shaky, but I guess maybe that's part of why Tengan was here personally, to steer it in a direction where it wouldn't get solved instantly.
Did Asahina get cured by her brainwashing instantly just by getting cracked over the head once? This is a pretty weak plan if so. Maybe the brainwashing becomes more permanent if the viewer watches more of the video, and the quick instant brainwashing thing on Ryota's phone is just for emergencies.
Wow, this is all getting very "Last episode of Evangelion" all of the sudden.
Alright, so what questions are still left to be answered? We learned more or less who the culprit is for sure, we learned what side Ryota is on and what his forbidden action is. We don't know for sure what Kyoko's status is (she notably wasn't pictured in any of the flashbacks to deaths or anything in this episode), we don't know what Hagakure's prophecies have meant this whole time (I absolutely don't believe they're just all wrong, or he wouldn't have ever been recruited by Hope's Peak in the first place), we don't know the final result of the New World Program or exactly how it was made, and most important of all, we don't know where Alter Ego and Alter Chiaki are! I want to see them!
Who was that person in the last shot? The obvious answer is Kyoko although the silhouette didn't really look like her. Maybe it was just intentionally generic, but it seems like most of the obvious answers (Kyoko, Chisa, Izuru) have distinctive enough silhouettes that if it's meant to be taken literally it probably isn't one of them. Who else has unresolved story threads? Tengan? Bandai in what would be the greatest twist of all time? Haiji Towa, who was conspicuously absent this whole time? Or maybe someone we haven't directly met yet?
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Who was that person in the last shot? The obvious answer is Kyoko although the silhouette didn't really look like her. Maybe it was just intentionally generic, but it seems like most of the obvious answers (Kyoko, Chisa, Izuru) have distinctive enough silhouettes that if it's meant to be taken literally it probably isn't one of them. Who else has unresolved story threads? Tengan? Bandai in what would be the greatest twist of all time? Haiji Towa, who was conspicuously absent this whole time? Or maybe someone we haven't directly met yet?
That person in the end is definitely Hajime/Izuru.
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That person in the end is definitely Hajime/Izuru.
Are you basing that on anything specific, or just intuition? I've heard three different guesses so far, all of them were different and all of them used the word "definitely".
(Although I feel like that one makes the most sense.)
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No one else fits the silhouette imo
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Happy End
I'm so glad we got to see her again one more time though ;_;
EDIT: THEY FUCKING DID IT I'M MAD
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Well, that episode was pure fanservice, but I'm reasonably satisfied since I didn't expect anything else. Decent watch/10 for the series overall
although in the end the anime didn't really change anything but I got to see Kirigiri animated so I'm good
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Last episooooode!
Honestly I can't really imagine this being fully satisfying. There's too much shit to wrap up.
Okay, it was Hajime. Good. He's got a lot of work to do.
Hey now Hajmie, don't get ahead of yourself... You didn't bring everyone back. *cry*
Ooooh, Nagito's got a robot hand! And may have just casually murdered a bunch of good guys, but I guess it's possible he just cut them off..?
Just couldn't resist introducing yet another cast of quirky characters, huh? Fair enough I guess. So what's their deal? If I understand right they were supposed to be reinforcements for Future Foundation but they got brainwashed by the broadcast in the helicopter on the way over? Or something? Oh yeah, I guess they all got those visors.
Alright, so the Danganronpa 2/Despair Arc story wrapped semi-nicely, but that took up a lot of episode. And didn't really cover everything. Got a lot of ground left to cover in ~10 minutes...
Ryota x Impostor? I'd ship it.
OH SHIT, Kyoko is alive. I'll admit that as much as I don't love that they faked out two deaths of core cast members, I was totally happy to see her alive. I guess I'm a sucker for pleasant things happening after all of the fucking horror.
COME ON, 54 SECONDS LEFT, SHOW ME ALTER EGO PLEASE!
Aw... No? Fine...
Well, that was relatively satisfying I guess. It didn't tie up all the loose ends, but it got most of them. And as nice as the Chiaki thing was, and it was nice, I still choose to believe that Alter Chiaki is alive. There's literally no reason she shouldn't be. By all accounts she should be alive, hangin' out with Alter Ego and Monomi in the New World Program. Somebody should probably go get them so they can like... Help make the future and shit.
Hmm. I think part of my not-quite-satisfaction has to do with the franchise's persistent failure to quite tie all of its themes together. I think I gotta re-watch this episode and think on it a while. I'm really pleased it was a happy ending though.
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Hmm. I think part of my not-quite-satisfaction has to do with the franchise's persistent failure to quite tie all of its themes together. I think I gotta re-watch this episode and think on it a while. I'm really pleased it was a happy ending though.
I got the impression that they decided, "okay there's no way we're going to tie up all the themes meaningfully, let's go full pandering like people were expecting for the Despair Arc."
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So I'm trying to think over how the overall arc of the series goes versus the arc of just this show, and I think this is a really solid, satisfying ending to Danganronpa 3. It doesn't really work as an ending to the series, but as an ending to the show it works. Which is weird because the anime needs the rest of the franchise for context to make any goddamn sense, but it's not like Danganronpa has ever had the best installment-to-installment continuity. I think that's more of a flaw with Danganronpa than it is with this show. If it wanted to really make me happy it would have gone way out of the way to fix that problem, but I guess that's a bit much to expect...
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Danganronpa 3 Hope Arc:
In a nutshell I was just fangirling everywhere.
AND REDDIT COMES THROUGH WITH THE MEDICINE BOTTLE THEORY YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!! KIRIGIRI IS ALIVE YES YEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!! MakatoXKyoko BECAUSE I SHIP LIKE FED-EX
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Danganronpa 3 Hope Arc:
In a nutshell I was just fangirling everywhere.
AND REDDIT COMES THROUGH WITH THE MEDICINE BOTTLE THEORY YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!! KIRIGIRI IS ALIVE YES YEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!! MakatoXKyoko BECAUSE I SHIP LIKE FED-EX
Well at least someone's favorite characters survived. *cry*
I guess of all of my favorites at least The Impostor got Good End. And maybe Alter Ego, we don't actually know apparently?
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Well at least someone's favorite characters survived. *cry*
I guess of all of my favorites at least The Impostor got Good End. And maybe Alter Ego, we don't actually know apparently?
-hugs commander- I understand, to be honest I like Hiyoko and Mikan (I'm ready for that firing squad now) hmm... but I'm wondering how all of this will tie in with Daganronpa V3...
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As far as I understand it, it's very possible it won't at all. It hasn't been explicitly stated yet, but it's been implied that the new game is in its own continuity that doesn't connect to this one at all aside from also having Monokuma. Or it might just be that it takes place in the same universe but with none of the same characters. At any rate, it seems like it takes place well into the future, so none of the existing cast will probably be in it directly.
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I just realized something about this last episode.
Technically this information has been on the table for a while, but it resolves the AI Junko plot hole that's been a problem for a while now.
Previously we had no reason to assume that beating AI Junko in the New World Program would get rid of her. If the Remnants of Despair deliberately infected the program with her like we thought then there would be no reason they wouldn't have copied her and uploaded her to a bunch of other places too. Why risk the only remaining copy of their leader when they could just make more of her?
But since now we know that Kamakur/Hinata uploaded her as an experiment, and that if hope won in the experimental setup he created he would turn his back on despair, it makes sense that he didn't make copies. The whole point of the New World Program experiment was to pit Chiaki's hope (and by extension everyone else's hope) directly against Junko's despair, and if hope won then it meant it was more unpredictable and at that point he would have no reason to care if Junko died for good.
Maybe everyone else realized this episodes ago and I'm just late to the party, but I'm pretty happy with that realization. That plot hole has bothered me for a while now and even if there are still a bunch left I'm happy one of the major ones got explained away.
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Late to the party, but I decided to pick this up again now that I'm able to shotgun it. It's much more fun this way.
Just finished Despair Arc 7.
Holy damned mother of fuck.
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Oooh, cool. Well do keep us updated with your thoughts, I'm curious to know what you think of it.
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Late to the party, but I decided to pick this up again now that I'm able to shotgun it. It's much more fun this way.
Just finished Despair Arc 7.
Holy damned mother of fuck.
Hope you like what Despair Arc 9 and 10 has.
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I'm planning on bursting through the rest of Despair and most of Future tonight, so we shall see.
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thoughts on 9:
holy shit while junko is absolutely utterly undeniably unforgivably despicable, i can't help but love how well she's written. all time favorite villain for sure.
thoughts on 10:
fuck fuck fuck fuck FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK ow my heart
chiaki forever favorite character my heart breaks
jesus fucking christ though this series does absolutely everything to torture her
it is agony to see
thoughts on despair FINAL:
did they just straight up declare that the world was driven to despair by memes they really just did didn't they
it's hard to really process what just happened because i'm still so fucked up from chiaki's painfully drawn out torture and execution
but i do like the sentiment that it's really her hope that saves the day at the end of SDR2
also wtf junko "after all, if the world were somehow saved from despair, wouldn't that be the most despairful thing of all?"
are you implying that you want to cause despair to pit it against hope because you know it'll win, thus saving the world from it, causing the epitome of all despair in yourself? even though you already destroyed the world?
you are so delightfully fucked up
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Periodically I'm still doing the "Still traumatized by that episode?" check.
The answer is always yes.
Are you watching one arc at a time? Technically you're "supposed" to alternate episodes based on the way information is delivered, so Future Arc might be a bit less tense now. But you also have some backstory that might make some stuff more interesting, so it may be a wash.
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I watched Despair arc in one shot, yeah. Didn't really feel like bouncing between scenarios. I'm sure if Future arc is as good as Despair arc was, it'll hold its own just as well.