Author Topic: SCP Containment Breach Mafia - Game Over (Read 53455 times)

Raikaria · « **Reply #90 on:** July 15, 2014, 09:14:45 PM »

At this point I'll point out I'll be around at deadline.

Raikaria · « **Reply #91 on:** July 15, 2014, 09:17:49 PM »

In fact because of this:

##Unvote

I'm not gonna sit around while I sleep with my vote on the main wagon when two people who have not added anything all game and have promised content are yet to give their cents. Since I'll be around at deadline I'd much rather wait to see the opinions of everyone [And actually have something to make a read on everyone!] than make it easier for the day to end without Actiondan and BT providing anything at all.

Also I'm having doubts about my SB vote because of general MotK D1 meta.

Refa · « **Reply #92 on:** July 15, 2014, 09:29:54 PM »

When does phase end? Also rereading now.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #93 on:** July 15, 2014, 09:31:41 PM »

I've still been trying to read the thread on and off to no success. The most I have is bad gut on SB and Raikaria for various reasons, although I guess I could be inclined to remove BT if we want to lynch a lurker.

I thought I had something going with that ED1 SB v Raikaria but Vhaltz's response about it seemed okay and SB and Raikaria seemed to have dropped it kind of. (SB less so which is a reason I have bad gut on him).

Mostly the most I can offer is that I don't think Vhaltz and Refa and Raitaki are scummy enough to lynch right now.

I've been kind of in a slump this week, so I wish I could be more useful but I'm not.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #94 on:** July 15, 2014, 10:40:26 PM »

Finally one Votecount per page (4)

Refa (1): ActionDan
Raitaki/Dorian (2): BT, Refa
SB (1): Raitaki/Dorian
Raikaria (1): SB
BT (1): NNR
NNR (1): Vhaltz

Not voting: Raikaria
You have 13.3 hours left in this phase!

BT · « **Reply #95 on:** July 15, 2014, 10:50:27 PM »

I'll start with the (comparatively) solid reads and muse about the grey areas later. (SB/Raitaki/Refa) (Dan is lurk)

##Unvote Raitaki
##Vote NNR

I think NNR's inability to produce stuff is a scumtell and that his observations are surface-level. His argument against me is easy to pick up (and kinda wrong, since I did directly refer to a post from Rai vs SB/Vhaltz), his comments on Raikaria/SB a day ago didn't strike me as insightful, and his comment today on how he felt he had something going with said comments makes me think he's just... sad he can't find content, rather than he had a train of thought and lost it. I have... things, at the very least, to say about Raikaria vs SB after reading it, so that's where "inability to produce stuff" comes in - he probably would have more substantial things to say about it as town, instead of what we got at post #93.

As for Raikaria: I more or less had the same perspective as SB during the wallfest, mostly because the logic was agreeable and Raikaria is like a hammer to my scum radar in that I get alarm bells from, like, half of what he says as either alignment. I had a swift 180 deg. change after Rai's #74, though, and Vhaltz's comment on internal logic. #74 just made me click with Rai's perspective too (good post!) and made me look at his posts in a really good light. The things I'd probably point at as distinctive are: he has no problems tearing SB apart with stuff like "get a grip and drop your obviously bad case and do something else" [citation needed] and "wow, how can you not understand my case" [citation needed], and stuff like his concern about lurkers and getting cold feet about SB don't exactly scream "scum-like" to me.

Vhaltz himself has been on the ball with things and has generally led discussion in a way that makes me think he's town. Want more words? Too bad. I'm pretty content with not lynching him today at least.

Vhaltz · « **Reply #96 on:** July 15, 2014, 11:07:31 PM »

Deadline is in like 13 hours, I'll be around then as long as I'm not dragged out for lunch.

If it also wasn't extremely obvious I don't actually have any vigshots but I wish I did =(

BT · « **Reply #97 on:** July 16, 2014, 12:00:37 AM »

I can't see what SB sees about Vhaltz being pressured off the Dan vote and being disporportionate about Refa/NNR and it makes me think it was a hasty scumread pick-up. Aside from that, I want to know what " Vhaltz using the wrong meta wrt Refa" and "Refa is obvtown" means, but it probably won't help me much even if he does explain, so... That's it. I don't see anything wrong about his responses to Rai, and I kind of like the timing of the obvtown comment, whatever that may mean.

I didn't want to respond to it immediately (because the comment on randvoting Dan gave me pause), but Raitaki's response to my query back in post #40 was pretty roundabout backtrack-y with a side of retroactive defense of the stance under pressure. In English, he didn't really answer my question, instead going "b-but I went after something questionable in RVS" and adding an additional reason while unprovoked. I also don't like his SB case, not in that post and not in the future. While I could probably reconcile it based on just the first post, his explanations later don't really make sense. What exactly did Raitaki find scummy about SB's actions? It's like he started by realizing SB said "bad" and Rai didn't and went off to build a story on how SB thought Rai's case was bad, proceeded to ignore him and then frame him, while the interpretation of "he just found the 'but I have a case' post scummy" is so much more instinctive and easy to understand. So I guess I don't buy it. As usual, I have no idea what Dorian is saying. I also think it's lovely that Raitaki wants opinions from Refa in post #86 but I don't know what his thoughts are on Vhaltz/Refa/maybe others. Maybe he's just not interested. Hmm, I didn't think my opinion here was that strong, so I'll consider switching wagons from NNR.

Refa annoys me because his content post was filled with "stuff", in that I don't know how to weigh his opinions and where in particular they would have originated from. It's kind of like he just summarized most of what has been going on with a player, proceeded to the next player and then ##voted. And I'm pretty sure it's his writing style. I don't know what to think here, but I thought it was interesting he thought Vhaltz had no opinion on the active posters when Vhaltz clearly said things about Raikaria and SB.

ActionDan · « **Reply #98 on:** July 16, 2014, 12:02:40 AM »

Oh Yeah, Valtz was/is my town read.

One second while I shim sham.

SB · « **Reply #99 on:** July 16, 2014, 12:03:11 AM »

I won't be around for phase end and might not get another chance to post today. I can support NNR's lynch if Raikaria's isn't happening, not sure on Vhaltz anymore (or BT's recent posts) just due to skimming his recent posts because I want to sleep.

##Unvote
##Vote: NNR

BT · « **Reply #100 on:** July 16, 2014, 12:05:20 AM »

I think I redeemed myself. Your turn, DAN.

If the format of those posts confused people, my reads look something like Raitaki=NNR>SB=Refa=Dan>Vhaltz=Raikaria.

Cut: nevermind!

ActionDan · « **Reply #101 on:** July 16, 2014, 12:06:11 AM »

shammu!

Raitaki · « **Reply #102 on:** July 16, 2014, 01:21:33 AM »

@BT: I was under the impression that jumping on wagons randomly without reason being bad was common knowledge? I thought your response was more like "that doesn't necessarily make him scum", so that's why I responded that way. As to why I voted Dan, I thought jumping on wagons randomly without reason was bad. I added the blurb about pressuring Dan to see if anyone would join me, but no one did until Vhaltz did it and stopped while I was gone. And voila, look how non-existent he still is. As for my SB case, it was basically about how SB spun a scummy intent on Raikaria's Vhaltzo case (he intentionally made a bad case because he had an excuse), and continued to look bad afterwards. As for my reads, right now everyone but SB and the lurkers are varying levels of null. We found Refa's reads on Raikaria vs. SB interesting, so we wanted to see what his perspective was.

Unimpressed by NNR's post. BT has posted his share, so that leaves NNR and Dan as lurker lynch candidates. I won't be here for deadline and I don't think Dorian can vote in my stead, so I'll vote NNR before I go to sleep unless that would be a hammer.

ActionDan · « **Reply #103 on:** July 16, 2014, 02:57:24 AM »

Well. Regardless of NNR's alignment I can't help but sympathize with him. Everyone is being... reasonable. I haven't been able to lock down a scumread on anyone.

I am pretty confident that Vhaltz and BT are town though. Vhaltz for being open/honest/honestly just town and BT for his turn-a-round after #174 since that's the place I stopped believing Raikaria's posts were only fit for the compost heap myself. I would like to add that pretending Raikaria's opening "case" is anything but garbage would be cause to question your own sanity, and why I'm sure people are probably secretly starting to question Raikaria's own. It's easier to just think he's scum. Unfortunately as Tic-Tac-Toe mafia has shown to me, Raikaria can have inexplicable behavior as town too. How far into crazy land he can go is an ongoing experiment. All that said, there is no way I'll be giving Raikaria a full town read this game even though 174 gives pause [citation: see BT's post].

In conjunction to the above SB "clinging to a dead argument" is just fine because it was never dead. The original case never stopped being awful and the, let's call it - "At least I made a case!", post by Raikaria is open to interpretation as to it's motivation, just because Raikaria says it's supposed to be a slap on the wrists for people who didn't make cases (when Vhaltz made one anyway + plently of people had other content equally likely to "get the game in gear") doesn't mean Raikaria isn't scum saying that to his own advantage. The opinions of other people not withstanding. Otherwise what-ever-else SB has doesn't raise any concerns to me.

With regard to

Refa/Raitaki/NNR

Refa = meh. That post #55 earlier was so freaking long but it's presentation looked like a kind of attempt to be logical/fair and the first part with regard to Raikaria seemed good enough, but I don't feel super about the Vhaltz part and while I was okay with the Raitaki vote... there was so many unnecessary words and I hate words make them stop.

So the effort I feel can be duplicated by scum but I can't place this guy easily.

Raitaki/Dorian is a function of me never see quite eye to eye with their opinions in their posts. If you were to quote a piece of any of their posts randomly I'd probably find a way to disagree with it. That said, tone is not necessary scummy and I need time to work out the kinks here.

NNR I can understand because he's being objectively truthful. Normally that'd be favorable to perceiving him as town but BT may be right about him just not being able to fake it. I can't tell. I won't sweat much if we lynched him since in truth other choices for me like Raitaki/Dorian, Refa, and Raikaria aren't scummier to me.

ActionDan · « **Reply #104 on:** July 16, 2014, 03:19:12 AM »

##Unvote

O_O

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #105 on:** July 16, 2014, 04:09:58 AM »

(Lost my post, bleh.) Yeah I won't be here long enough to really catch up again and I won't be awake for deadline, so I guess it's over for me. If I live I'll probably sub out somehow.

Yeah I'm just unable to dredge up content today, I think I'm depressed, since the apathy is so bad I forgot to eat today.

A part of me wants to lash back at the votes on me like I usually do but they're too reasonable to be scum-level easy plays. (or not since my train of thought below is actually going through with that, thanks brain)

SB is the one that has annoyed me the most all day though. Raikaria overreacting to that who RVS thing was bad but SB seemed to turn it back on Raikaria and I think SB looks worse. Also his vote is just a hop to me since 'he can't lynch Raikaria' which is really ugh.

I don't think BT's vote is bad but his later quote here

Quote

I think I redeemed myself

irks me as a kind-of maybe scumtell? That quote doesn't feel natural to me.

Since I can't claim when I have 4 votes on me, I'm claiming now as a Class-D (Vanilla).

This is actually the best I've been able to come up with all game, go figure. I won't be irked too much if I die though, I'm depressed or something really bad.

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #106 on:** July 16, 2014, 04:10:52 AM »

Oh yeah, I was gonna vote SB, almost forgot

##Unvote
##Vote: SB

Raitaki · « **Reply #107 on:** July 16, 2014, 05:52:41 AM »

Dan actually posting content now is great, though I'm unwilling to completely forgive him for AFKing most of D1 since he still has no scumreads, and while he has given his opinion it's just null/town reads and doesn't really contribute much to scumhunting.

NNR improving a bit but still isn't really accomplishing anything. I'm less sure that he's scum but he's still among my top choices for lynch and the only one that seems viable right now. Personally I'd hold on to my vote and see how he acts during the next several hours, but I'm not back for deadline and I haven't gotten an answer on whether Dorian can change my vote if I'm not there for deadline or not, ehhhhh. I guess if he can Dorian can change my vote later if necessary.

##Unvote
##Vote: NNR

Raikaria · « **Reply #108 on:** July 16, 2014, 06:40:18 AM »

I... am... awaaaake!

And it seems everything with my unvote just before sleep last night went to plan. All of the two and a half full-on lurkers have added content and thrown their pennies into the pile.

It appears this game it's a universal issue that we cannot make solid scumreads. The fact that NNR is currently at L-1 for his apathy and what amounts to active lurking shows this. [By the way guys; NNR is L-1] Arguably posting yet doing nothing is worst than not posting at all.

As much as it irks me to agree with Dan; I cannot help but sympathise with his inability to find a solid scumread; because aside from some things I dislike about SB's earlygame I don't really have a scumread either; and the SB thing is heavily mitigated by the fact usually whoever I get into a slapfight with D1 ends up being Town v Town. So I'm a little cautious.

I mean; everyone other than NNR and SB are giving off varying levels of town vibes; and my gut is telling me 'Don't lynch SB you've done this situation D1 like 6 times before and each time it's ended badly'. This is the problem I guess when the primary content is... well... yourself.

I'm yet to see anyone have qualms about lynching NNR anyway. So I'm just gonna drop the hammer. Honestly at this point I think flips are the most useful thing we can have to figuring this one out, and he has a good chance of being scum anyway IMO.

##Vote: NNR

Mitsuki · « **Reply #109 on:** July 16, 2014, 08:28:26 AM »

HAMMER SHUT UP

Mitsuki · « **Reply #110 on:** July 16, 2014, 08:51:53 AM »

Day 1 final votecount (5)

Raitaki/Dorian (1): Refa
SB (1): NNR
NNR (5): Vhaltz, BT, SB, Raitaki/Dorian, Raikaria

Not voting: ActionDan

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You decided that NNR was a threat and isolated him in a functional containment chamber. He was...

Quote from: NNR's PM

Welcome to the Foundation, NNR!
You are a Class-D personnel (vanilla town).

As an ex-death row prisoner who would already be dead by now, you welcomed the nullification of your death sentence you were given in exchange of doing some ?unspecified activities?. And even if you hadn?t, you had no choice to begin with.
Nonetheless, death might not be mankind?s worst nightmare.

You win when all threats to your faction can no longer win, as long as at least one member of town remains alive.

Nonetheless, there is no time to regret what cannot be undone.

Night 1 has begun! You have 24 hours to send your actions.
Vhaltz can't sleep, and therefore is allowed to keep posting in the thread for the duration of the night!

I need a replacement for Refa. First person to contact me gets the slot!

Vhaltz · « **Reply #111 on:** July 16, 2014, 09:39:11 AM »

So I wake up to Mitsuki telling me there's already been hammer, I should've unvoted before going to sleep but BT's case on NNR made me think I was just letting words make me second-guess myself and figured I'd Get A Read on the NNR slot depending on how the inevitable wagon built towards deadline.

Anyway I know calling for docs is scummy etc but doc should be on me tonight, there's almost guaranteed to be one considering this is 8p rolelight. There's Reasons for this but they'll come tomorrow.

Vhaltz · « **Reply #112 on:** July 16, 2014, 05:43:08 PM »

This insomniac thing is also probably going to waste because I have a really important interview tomorrow morning. I'm just gonna thoughtdump without rereading because I don't think I even have time to make all the necessary preparation for the interview.

I have like zero conviction in anybody in particular being scum atm. I'm really rusty on Dan meta since I haven't been reading most of the recent MotK games so I don't know to think about his one contentpost, it looked okay at first and made me think it came from town!Dan but his unvote and apparent unwillingness to put anybody in particular up for a lynch make me wary of him.

Displeased with Raikaria hammering like 6 hours early considering that he didn't even give any warning that he was going to do so. I said I'd be around at deadline and planned to do things when I woke up so I'm wondering if this was just scum securing a mislynch and cutting off discussion before anything out of their control happened.

BT is so much less wordy than I remember him, everything that he's posted is kind of k but I'm worried about the content that I'm not seeing. BT not actually playing the game for extended periods of time is weird and his "I got complacent with MotK lurker meta" may be an excuse to not actively prod people for content as much but not for not playing the game himself.

SB and Refa are meh because I'm not used to them doing so little in a day phase either. I can see SB tunneling on Raikaria by virtue of getting frustrated by bad logic as both alignments and that's like 90% of what his content was about. I also feel like Refa might've rolled scum and decided that Not Playing was a better solution than getting frustrated by Rolling Scum Yet Again, but I've had trouble reading Refa early in the game before so idk.

I hold zero memory of what Raitaki posted even though I reread his posts back when I had to understand Refa's concerns with him. If I'm still alive after night phase I'll reread and try to get something out of the last burst of activity until day end since I don't think I read through properly enough today as a result of being more concerned about the interview than about mafia.

Vhaltz · « **Reply #113 on:** July 17, 2014, 09:10:52 AM »

Done with my interview trying to reread fast before night phase ends

Quote from: Raikaria on July 15, 2014, 09:17:49 PM

Also I'm having doubts about my SB vote because of general MotK D1 meta.

wtf does this mean

still rereading but I think Mitsuki is making the daystart post

Vhaltz · « **Reply #114 on:** July 17, 2014, 09:11:37 AM »

wow that post makes no sense without context of when I wrote which line

Vhaltz · « **Reply #115 on:** July 17, 2014, 09:22:22 AM »

Actually Raitaki/Dorian are probably scum. They spend way too much time replying to stuff people said about them and very little time scumhunting, their priorities at the end of the phase are really baffling.

Quote from: Raitaki on July 16, 2014, 01:21:33 AM

As for my reads, right now everyone but SB and the lurkers are varying levels of null. We found Refa's reads on Raikaria vs. SB interesting, so we wanted to see what his perspective was.

Unimpressed by NNR's post. BT has posted his share, so that leaves NNR and Dan as lurker lynch candidates. I won't be here for deadline and I don't think Dorian can vote in my stead, so I'll vote NNR before I go to sleep unless that would be a hammer.

Easy as fuck "I'll lynch SB or whatever lurker idk about the other guys". He didn't really mention NNR much at all throughout the phase, "unreadable because virtually no content" was the only comment he had before the NNR cases popped up and then he was okay with lynching him all of a sudden.
idk if I'm making any sense because I'm rushing but I don't like it.

Mitsuki · « **Reply #116 on:** July 17, 2014, 09:23:51 AM »

When you all gather, you notice that someone's gone missing. You want to hope for the best, but you can't even lie to yourself.

Quote from: Vhaltz's PM

- Welcome to the Foundation, Vhaltz!
You are SCP-420-J (Jailor).

As the only ~~awesome~~ totally safe SCP object, you?re the best SCP. At least according to some.
Scientists who have ?tested? you have reported on your miraculous healing and relaxing properties. Every night you?ll invite someone to taste you, this way they?ll be protected from any attempts to their life. Unfortunately, your side effects will also make them unable to act during the night.

You win when all threats to your faction can no longer win, as long as at least one member of town remains alive.

Day 2 has begun! You have 72 hours to decide on a lynch!
Link to countdown

Sky_Paladin replaces in for Refa!
Dorian will be the one to post in the thread from now on!

Raikaria · « **Reply #117 on:** July 17, 2014, 09:36:23 AM »

As I said when I hammered; no-one had shown an unwillingness to lynch NNR. With 6 hours left and the fact that usually in that timeframe several people are not apparently available to post [They don't seem to post in those hours much if at all] I didn't see a point in extending the day phase. There was a lynch everyone was happy with and the odds of someone else getting lynched in anything but an awful consolidation rush were slim to none. And awful consolidation rushes usually lynch town.

@ #113: Due to MotK scum usually lurking heavily during D1; town speaks a lot. Therefor the people scumhunting only can hunt each other's posts. During D1 this tends to lead to the two most vocal townies scumhunting each other and getting into a slapfight and then one of them getting mislynched.

This happens stupidly often.

Anyway I need to re-read and think and I've got some stuff to do. Just popping in to respond to what was directed towards me.

SB · « **Reply #118 on:** July 17, 2014, 09:39:29 AM »

wait was vhaltz insomniac jailkeeper again

Responding to stuff now.

Sky_Paladin · « **Reply #119 on:** July 17, 2014, 09:57:35 AM »

On phone eating happy pills.

##vote Raitaki

In case I got then mixed up I want to vote for the not tank girl.

Really unimpressed with. Jerky talk about self interest only, I think Vhaltz was read on the mark and now he's dead so. Why do scum hit an insomniac? Not a great night hit option especially one that asked for doc prof.

There's. Ore but hemorhoids see you soon