Given UK's recent WoT... Alex as your top choice now? That's pretty nuts. Think about it from a Day 1 perspective. Without knowing what Town has in store for them (like the Cop), why would ScumAlex out 2 of his buddies and then get dragged into the Day 2 mess? You're expecting way too much. And the fact you're glossing over Alice in the WoT just makes me suspect you more.
See, obviously if it is some masterful scum gambit,
it would have worked. The only issue I have with my line of reasoning is that Alex is not likely to get another head until endgame. Except
GUESS WHAT!? You people want to HAND him heads right before lylo. Alex CLEARLY thinks in the long term. I think this "masterful scum gambit" thing you all say couldn't happen, actually has.
And you want to know how this is cemented?
In regards to Alice v. Jam, I just feel Jam hasn't put up enough of an effort this game to really go into any defense and it's more iffy against Alice. As for me and UK, that's a retarded mess yes and I'd rather not put faith into myself on that one despite what UK has just spouted. The Alex v. Rou suggestion is just retarded to me. I think Alex should just take out Alice or UK.
Hi thar trying to give your scumbuddy heads. I'm slightly more sure Alice is town, though it's WIFOM.
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Polly once again parrots what has already been said. Seriously, that's annoying. Post original content!
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First off, if you claim Scum-Alex, you are claiming that the clusterfuck on D2 was some kind of masterful gambit to make Alex look good at the expense of Two Scum. While not impossible, this is honestly extremely goddamn implausible.
Well could you honestly extremely goddamn explain WHY it's so implausable given how many people are calling for Alex to take heads in recent days?
Combined with the fact that he has not done anything overtly Scummy makes him fairly low-priority on my Scum list.
Alex or Kefit? Very important.
Oh and what's all this with you and Roukan being so ridiculously Pro-Town. Why is he so Pro-Town? If you're faulting Alex for claiming that Kefit is very Townie while having insufficient evidence to backup your claims with, then don't do the same bloody thing yourself, it makes you look like a goddamn hypocrite.
Wow, this post makes you look like a goddamn Strawmanner
. Alex
has explained why Kefit is town. It's just his explanation blows, and his
entire scumhunting style has not been scumhunting. It's been bad player hunting. I'm amazed you haven't realized this yet. Alex has BLATANTLY used words like "ridiculousness", "incoherentness", stuff like that rather than directly assessing "scumminess!". Now, as for Rou, that is a pure gut read. I'm sorry if this explanation blows as well, but at least I think Rou is
TOWN, not
just an amazingly coherent easy to read poster and thusly town from that.
So your case on Kefit is basically nonexistent, and yet you want him to die? Why? You claim that Jam might be Scum and while the meta tells are similar to RKS Mafia where she was Cop Town keep in mind that she is still a fairly new player and we have a meta pool of 1 (One) game for her and thus trying to use Meta to determine her alignment is quite possibly the most failure-prone thing imagineable oh my god anyway you want Kefit to die over someone who has done very little except parrot cases, by your own statements? You claim that Kefit is Scum because Alex is Scum, despite that the ties are largely one-sided Alex->Kefit and Scum-Alex could just be trying to set up Kefit's death on the slight case that perhaps he would ever die?
Now, you see, if I strip your condescending tone, this is actually what worries me most. Notice how I want Kefit to die LAST! I'm hoping to see if it bears following up on after Kiro and Kefit die. I even ADMIT that Kefit's case is mostly collateral scumminess plus a couple posts that bug me. It's mainly his Serp case that has me leaning more than "being set up" by Alex. But that means I'd have to swap you or Jam in. And honestly, I could do either, I just really don't know who.
Definetly support UK vs. Kiro at the moment unless some other bit of extremely important information comes up soon. Oh my god. Seriously, what the fuck, you two. Not totally against myself vs. Jam or Kefit vs. Jam either. Do not want Alex vs. anyone right now. DO NOT want Roukanken vs. anyone right now. In fact really I do not want anything other than UK/Kiro right now as nobody else looks nearly as awful as those two and it's also very unlikely that they are Scum together or both Town.
Now I want to swap you in with Kiro. You know one of us is town. Yet you propose town vs. scum in what is probably THE most cloudy challenge yet. How does this advantage town at all?
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I'm here, I just have no idea what to say to that UK wall. It's like I've stepped into the Twilight Mafia Zone. Fortunately Alice has finally come out of the woodwork with what is possibly the best post in the entire game to date, summing up everything I would like to have said but was too burnt out on this game to actually put into words. Color me impressed. I agree with virtually everything Alice said there. UK vs Kiro or someone against Jam sounds very very good.
Yes, Alex, let someone else do the work for you. It's easier to look pro town if someone else is defending you. Yanno what? Maybe Alice IS scum instead of Kefit.
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@UK: No. Fuck you. WHY is Roukan so Pro-Town? Tell me this? At this point I'm starting to wonder if you two are Scum together and you somehow want him to gain Towniepoints(TM) except that doesn't make any sense except that makes him look MORE suspicious so what the fuck is your reasoning I mean seriously what is this I don't even.
Because he's playing like Rou town. You should know this.
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This is combined with the fact that both UK and Kiro look terrible, both of them have a large amount of evidence against them, I outlined this in my previous post, and at absolute worst we are looking at Scum vs. Scum (though this seems implausible, what with UK bussing Kiro for multiple days now and then turning around and posting her latest "well kill me now" post which is all kinds of baffling and what) which is still favourable for us. Honestly I think it is extremely unlikely that both of them are Town, on top of this them both looking horrible lets us get some people to make definite stances, which we haven't really had anyone do on other than D4: there was a bit of it D1, D2 the choice was painfully obvious, D3 the choice was so obvious that the day ended early, and D5...the less said about D5 the better. Given LYLO is coming up soon forcing people to make some stances is a lot better than creating unilateral matchups (because let's face it, in a Rou vs. UK match a good chunk of people are going to steamroll anyway: so far this game has been terrible in the reasoning department), so overall I find the UK vs. Roukan matchup a bad one, as opposed to the UK vs. Kiro one which I find to be much better in a lot of ways.
On the one hand, you are right unilaterals this late don't provide much information. On the other, you ARE risking a scum gaining a head if you ARE town, and I'm not sure it's justified with Kiro. Then again, I know I'm town and I'm decently certain on who's scum.
Kefit makes me ambivalent again. It has terrible, TERRIBLE reads in it. But it feels like a townie who just has too much damned confirmation bias. I am almost willing to swap in Alice instead of him but...dammit, I partially feel my Alice hate has to do with his FRUSTRATINGLY annoying attitude. Yes, the same attitude
I seem to have. No wonder we rarely get along in game. I don't know what to do to resolve this either...
Look, everyone who's not stuck their head in the ground. Let me put it this way. Kefit, Alex, Kiro, and Alice are ALL players you catch on minor tells. They don't make major scum mistakes. If my cases seem weak that's because it's THAT HARD to catch them. Yes, this is a burden of proficiency and I don't expect you to just take my word for it. But please,
reread them!, draw conclusions, and please look for minor things as opposed to major acting out. More importantly look for things that don't sound like they come from townies as opposed to things a bad player would say.
As for where to put it...this choice is hard for me. I've made points about the two, but if I sat and thought about it UK's posts are probably more likely to be from a well-intended-but-thoroughly-clueless Townie than Kiro's. Then again her suicidal call here could be AtE and WIFOM...consider me willing to go either way here, and having trouble determining which of these two is actually MORE scummy.
Rou, you've come this far to reading me. Just take the final step. Don't excuse my AtE/WIFOM. But, consider UK, not just "a mafia player". How would UK handle this situation as town?
Alex's post #183: he recommends a Tom vs. Ciato fight for D2 as early as D1, i.e. before the special Hime Star condition came into play. Considering that everything points to the mod deciding on Hime Star conditions, there really is virtually no way that Alex could have predicted the teams matchup on D2, and there is no reason why Scum would inheritly support a Scum vs. Scum matchup as early as day freaking one, to take place on day freaking two. I don't know how anyone who still thinks that Alex-Scum is a likely occurrence has somehow kept missing this. It effectively quashes the possibility that Tom's D2 move was a gambit on Scum's part completely.
Ah, I see.
Mmmmn...nope, not buying the clear. It has the same effect as the D2 challenge did. Alex looks amazingly good after suggesting that,and actually, with the bonus that the survivor of Tom vs. Ciato might live, but not get any more heads. You must realize, Alice that a "Masterful scum gambit (TM)" would involve Tom vs. Ciato in some way. Again, I'm ambivalent. This almost feels like Town Alice trying to guard against the implausible, but...you are using what I see to be rather weak reasonings to justify Alex town. And this bothers me. A lot.
Cut by Edible:
UK, one more outburst like that and I will probate you from the forums. Are we clear?
Edit: The same goes for anyone slinging insults and vileness. This is a game.
Edible, one more person insulting me in this game and I will fucking request my modkill. Are we clear?
