RPG - Waking Up From the Dream (Discussion Thread) 2nd ver

[E-Nazrin]

God damnit, I need to actually make stuff, whether it's for this or actually working on my thesis.

That said, uh... I'm not sure how wise it is to be devil's advocate on the matter, but after reading it, I actually didn't see anything REALLY wrong with Madness' post. It... just explicitly MENTIONED futa/tentacles, without actually involving them, or making them necessary. The content is fitting enough and makes sense. The only problem would be the blunt terminology, which... I'm not sure is worth getting up in arms about. To be fair, it DOES run the risk of encouraging that behavior, but... I don't know.

There was another guideline I was thinking of including, but I was having trouble wording or describing it. Something about keeping it 'tasteful,' for what value of tasteful you can get on these things. Which basically means not going into detail on these objectionable topics when they come up outside of NSFW. I don't think using the term for it - sparingly - is detailed enough to warrant drama. If it is, well... I guess you could have the same basic content by describing Eirin's gifts as "marital aids," including one for "just in case they want kids," or the like.

The thing is to keep NSFW material separate from the main RP to a responsible degree. I'm not sure that means denying its existence or temptation, but it DOES mean limiting its prominence.

Now that I think of it, that last part may show the real reason this is getting complained about; the only content of the post was the pill collection and largely offhand mentions of that dark milkshake. That's too high a concentration; there's really not much more to it than that provocation. Is that more accurate?

Hooray for getting myself in trouble...

[LordVant]

I didn't find Madness' post to be all that NSFW. It did reference them of course, and he could've used a more subtle approach, but when looking at it only in terms of NSFW, let's go back to Yuyuko and Shoko, when gender-swapped. There we can pull somewhat of a limit...in my opinion.

[Jana]

It... just explicitly MENTIONED futa/tentacles, without actually involving them, or making them necessary.

I was afraid it'd be something like this. So much for Jan's "Utility Vines" spell.. If that was enough to get people jumpy, I'd rather not run the risk of getting in trouble myself. In any case, I think I can safely say that I don't think this is lynch-worthy.

Cut by Vant: Yes, I suppose that is a good place to draw the line for now.

[Bias Bus]

I wasn't really bothered by it (which is saying something being I myself don't care too much for Futa either) nor did I see it as NSFW. The things said were but the actions themselves weren't taken. But really people, there's a seperate board, you can stick all the stuff there if you really want play it out or whatever...unless we're getting rid of that in light of this incident.

In anycase:

Post'd Team Spidercats post. Anyone's welcome to interact and the like, so go nuts.

I'll see if I can finish Makai and Lucky Strike posts ASAP.

[Gappy]

Thanks for the support, folks. Yes, as I said on IRC, the post itself is not what I would consider ban-worthy. Besides, the 'f' word is used quite a bit around the boards, particularly in that creepy traps thread.

I believe the main problem was that some fellow players find them offensive and it was believed that Madness did this on purpose knowing how offensive it was to certain players. After asking him, he claims he had no idea. I trust in his honesty and integrity.

Thus we've decided to let Madness stay on, with the condition (and this goes to everyone) to observe the simple rules of play, particularly rule #1 - Respect your fellow players.

[trancehime]

Fair enough.

I'm not going to object to anything.

[Rabbit]

Wow, I go away for a few days and come back to find this insanity.  Only had the time to read the IRC logs posted above and the more general discussion, but I would like to applaud the general handling of this situation.  I have seen previous incidents where posts or attitudes have antagonised the Shrinemaiden RPing community and the regulars tend to come down very, VERY hard on people for things they might feel are self-evident but are, in reality, only common knowledge for people in the know.  RPing itself may not be serious business but a good RP is, and it requires a dedicated and motivated group of players.  Bear in mind, guys, that growing the community is just as important as playing the game and that even people who have a style you disagree with can have the potential to have their skills developed to the point where they become valuable assets.  New players are to be nurtured, not bashed into submission.

Though there is definitely some room for improvement, I urge the Shrinemaiden RP community to show at least this level of restraint when dealing with potential offences in the future as well.

[trancehime]

Though there is definitely some room for improvement, I urge the Shrinemaiden RP community to show at least this level of restraint when dealing with potential offences in the future as well.

I apologize if my so-called antagonistic behavior has offended you.

I'm probably just jaded by my previous RPing experiences and haven't let go of 'em. At this point, I'm easy to explode at people I consider "bad" at RPing, "bad" in quotation marks because bad RPing is completely subjective, and I must have let those get in the way of my judgment. I've been in the business for many years, and I've seen my fair share of prepubescents trying to RP and fail horribly, and they have never learned. Yet there are those who do learn, and are pretty much exemplary of what you've said. Anyway, don't mind me. I'm just pissy when it comes to idiocy in general.

[Helepolis]

I have nothing to take back from my words and actions. I handled from the agreements and "rules" we formed when we first started out this game. If people are going to twist around it constantly then it will eventually end up in another drama. I not going to biased on the person who pulls off such posts as I acted like a co-GM. Anybody who would pull this off would had gotten the same treatment from me.

Just because Madness done some more "out of the context" posting before doesn't mean I hate / dislike him. It is for him also crossing the line and more people have been visiting that border often.

What some people not find disturbing can be annoying to others. Remember the NSFW picture drama on CPMC ? Exactly the same case here except in RP style (ofcourse written text is easier to hide than a huge picture on your screen, and there are always differences. ) But I am just speaking in general.

This post might sound harsh but I rather speak straight forward then act innocent and talk behind people's back. I am not going to be such a person.

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And now for a good post section. As MTG has announced, he is going to be inactive for a week. That doesn't mean we can sit around and wait for him. Some people already have posted material and some haven't. I am repeating it here again and bringing MTG's word in colours forward.

Untill ~4:30pm on Day 6 ( current day ) you may 'Free roam'.

- Go visit downtime
- Go have socialising moments with other players ( this is what I plan to do )
- Prepare stuff for the wedding like your clothing, or w/e
- Be creative...

Remember, no IRC co-posting and log pasting posts. We are trying to pull everyone back in one line again. If you want to co-post, do it classic style. ( see old posts from day 1/2 I think )

I am done with my graduation paper so I am more available on IRC possibly this entire week for questions / help or even posting together ideas. ( Excluding friday because I work till the evening. A man has to keep earning cash )

[trancehime]

I'll be free by the end of this week, as that's when my break starts.

Anyone who wants to start something up with my characters should begin plotting with me in advance so I may start the postings.

[Rabbit]

I'm probably just jaded by my previous RPing experiences and haven't let go of 'em. At this point, I'm easy to explode at people I consider "bad" at RPing, "bad" in quotation marks because bad RPing is completely subjective, and I must have let those get in the way of my judgment. I've been in the business for many years, and I've seen my fair share of prepubescents trying to RP and fail horribly, and they have never learned. Yet there are those who do learn, and are pretty much exemplary of what you've said. Anyway, don't mind me. I'm just pissy when it comes to idiocy in general.

As if I haven't seen my share of unredeemables as well

But here's the thing, sometimes you've got to be a bit careful with the language you use even if you don't really mean it.  We all write stuff so we know the power of using certain words over others.  Like this, for example:

I apologize if my so-called antagonistic behavior has offended you.

I know you reasonably well, so I know you don't mean anything by it.  If I was an innocent passerby, though, I might think you were being sarcastic and unrepentant.  It might look like you don't think you've done anything wrong when perhaps, in their mind, you have.  Simply cutting a few words (so-called, mainly) makes it sound a lot less biting and shows you acknowledge that, at the very least, you know that other people might find what you said offensive.

Don't think I'm singling out Trance either, people.  This goes for everyone.  It is possible to be both gentle and firm.  Of course there is a time and a place for giving people the full dressing down but I prefer to use that sort of language as a weapon of last resort.  For instance, using ALL CAPS DOES YOU NO FAVOURS AND I'M SURE THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO SPECIFICALLY KNOW THE INCIDENT TO WHICH I AM REFERRING.

I don't mean to treat anyone like a child or tell anyone how to do their job, but I reckon we could all use a little reminder every now and then.

[LordVant]

Remember, no IRC co-posting and log pasting posts. We are trying to pull everyone back in one line again. If you want to co-post, do it classic style. ( see old posts from day 1/2 I think )

Does this nullify my last co-post with Trance? cuz that'd suck

Oh, and exactly how did you co-post day 1/2?

[Helepolis]

Does this nullify my last co-post with Trance? cuz that'd suck

Oh, and exactly how did you co-post day 1/2?

No it doesn't nullifies, I think I explained it wrong. I should have clarified that bit more clearly.

The thing is, in day 5 we had ALOT of coposts suddenly going on which split and divided the entire game into several little pieces. These co-posts were accordingly going to be "composed" and posted. But MTG decided to summarize it all in one post ( which he made ) so we can skip Day 5.

If anyone has not reached Day 6 to meet up with someone or regroup at the shrine. He/she may copost with someone to regroup us all. The idea is to keep the story together. Co-posts on IRC are no coposts but just Roleplay sessions where the log is posted later on in a "story alike" format on the forum. ( Like Touhou meido I think, but that was even full log posting ). We just want to prevent this from happening again because RP on irc is not the idea of this game ( this is my opinion now about this part ). It is unfair as we live in different time zones most of the time.

The style coposting was done in the older days was approval by two or more person. Such as allowing one to use him/her characters to be mentioned inside the post/event. So what makes this different then IRC coposting? Well, it gives other people a chance to perhaps join as well. Also prevents overflowing IRC rp sessions while 0 posts are being compiled.

A perfect example would be my latest post. Anthony wants to pull off a certain event and he asked me if I could help him out ( because he needs Mokou ). I could have done this two ways:

1) RP it on IRC with Anthony --> result a co-post but extremely isolated, nobody can enter/join and it is not what we are trying to achieve
2) Post a story ( as I did now ) which is a general action and leaves open any posibility for anyone to join the same scene.

Imo (highly subjective) the best co-posts are the ones being posted by multiple persons taking part in the same event/scene. And not the posts being posted by one person. ( Yes, my last day 5 post was this bad style, because it was also an old day 5 copost ).

-End of long post.

[Pesco]

Madness gets unprobated today. Final call is to let him play on?

[mad]

Thanks for letting me stay on.

I shall continue with dark mana research, unless there are objections.

[Gpop]

Okay. School finally done. Lemme just finish an update with my fic, and then I'll continue working on my RAI force character. I really need to develop him so I can get him involved with Gabe and his party.

[Helepolis]

Madness gets unprobated today. Final call is to let him play on?

Madness promised to MTG to try to do his best as MTG is the person with the final all in this game. So yea, he allowed to let him play.

In the mean while I read all the posted posts :3

[LordVant]

Hey, uh...Etch? Are you going to post our thing or what? I thought you said you were going to. Well...actually, what you said to my question of "Are you going to do it or me?" you said "yeah"....so...I dunno

[Caber Knight Etch-A-Sketch]

I-I thought you were going to post it! I don't have it saved!  we're gonna have to do it again if you do not have it.

[LordVant]

Dun worry, I got it, it'll take me a little bit to edit it but it'll be up soon.

Nvm, got it up now....wow...I'm sorry but that sounded....forget it, I apologize

[Kojiremi]

Well i tried my hand at the Linker system that Reimu and Sanae explained to us during Day 5 Morning. I guess I'm the first to try it now that i think about it. I haven't read everything yet so I'm still doing that myself.

.....of course the first time can't go exactly as planned right? haha. it backfired and now both characters are unconscious/comatosed. But since 2 are unconscious they are going to experience something to bring them closer...hopefully. Enjoy fellas. I might lag behind some since I'm actually doing stuff in day 5  but I'll see what i can do.

[LordVant]

Alrighty then, done with my introduction, please tell me if you'd like me to make any changes as to what your characters say

[ES-Anthy]

I personally would like a major revision to the post due to derailment, since I never said my character would outright kill them for being yakuza, only give him a good punch or two before he explained himself, and it's also major derailment for the fact that you made my character use a knife, so as soon as possible could you either edit the post with some asking us first or just remove it entirely before reworking it?

[Helepolis]

I am extremely dissapointed LordVant that you do not read threads. Let alone threads, not reading personal messages. and not bother in replying to them.

@Gappy, it is seriously time to do something about it once and for all in this game. My patience is currently running low regarding this incident and events.

[LordVant]

*sigh* Should've guessed I'd do something wrong with this new system...such as being an utter idiot and not sending copies to the other guys and having them tell me if it was something they'd do or not >.>  I'll take this one down and try to modify it...if I'm still allowed on here that is...

[trancehime]

*sigh* Should've guessed I'd do something wrong with this new system...such as being an utter idiot and not sending copies to the other guys and having them tell me if it was something they'd do or not >.>  I'll take this one down and try to modify it...if I'm still allowed on here that is...

You'll be fine. Just discuss with the involved parties in your post if it's okay, and then make necessary revisions if you have to. Not a big deal.

[Helepolis]

That wasn't actually quite what I was displeased about. Forum posts can be modified ( you can delete your own post after copying the content and remake it )

I am just speaking on the general view of being a forum member. When you send someone a PM, and he/she replies with a question, you better answer it. It is just extremely disrespectful not doing that.

And you don't make copies of your post, you first ask permission or notify the team you want to mention then write your post =| Not the other way around.

[LordVant]

...right then, I'll have more time to work on this issue later today. Geez, I should've realized this from English class 

[Nemo★Ma]

OK, I don't know what is happening either...

The thing I know is from yesterday onwards everything beyond http://amarilloviridian.co.cc gives me (and possibly everybody) HTTP 403 Forbidden Errors.

What's worst is that I cannot access That FTP server for now, (it kicks me out saying login incorrect.) I can log in to the domain admin but FTP Feature there is broken too.

Which means it will be hard to recover the data of OriZone as of now.

As of now, please bear with me while I'm contacting 987MB(space provider) and try to recover the data.

Sorry for the inconvience.

[Helepolis]

Shameless bump after 1,5 month. What are we going to do with this game, gappy.