Author Topic: Touhou RAGE Thread (Read 196724 times)

saiyoucho · « **Reply #690 on:** July 09, 2009, 10:56:31 PM »

Quote from: lmagus on July 09, 2009, 10:53:58 PM

er... use bombs?

i can get past her without losing a life.. i use bombs in two of her spellcards though :/

I can't even get past her mid-level appearance without bomb-spamming. And I can beat like maybe 1-2 of her cards without bombing if I'm lucky. But even trying that usually leads to me losing 1-2 lives or more since pretty much none of her spellcards make ANY sense at all. >_<

There's just a lot of crap flying around everywhere.

Azinth · « **Reply #691 on:** July 09, 2009, 11:03:15 PM »

Dammit, I'm still raging at Hourai Jewel. I've heard several times that this thing is supposed to be easy (for a final spellcard at least), but just how is it supposed to be easy? I know the theoretical method to switching sides (listening for the sound of the bullets and whatnot) but so many times I just end up creating a solid wall for no reason. Is there a way to consistently get through this thing?

Drake · « **Reply #692 on:** July 09, 2009, 11:15:38 PM »

Quote from: lmagus on July 09, 2009, 10:53:58 PM

er... use bombs?

i can get past her without losing a life.. i use bombs in two of her spellcards though :/

But Sanae on Easy is really, really easy.

Midboss opener: You can get in the middle right at the start and avoid much bullshit.
Midboss card: Dodge and probably bomb. Don't go to the sides, though. Walls ensue.
Opener: Same as her midboss. Stay as high up as you can without dying.
Guests: Ew. Less killer on Normal, but it's pretty much streaming. It's static aside from the one bullet.
Noncard: Uh, pretty straightforward. Don't get walled in.
Moses: Standard streaming back and forth. Don't crash into the wall.
Noncard: loleasy
Card: I just bomb, but it's pathfinding. Find a way through the blue walls and dodge accordingly.
Last: Oh god loleasy.

saiyoucho · « **Reply #693 on:** July 09, 2009, 11:19:03 PM »

Quote from: Drake on July 09, 2009, 11:15:38 PM

Quote from: lmagus on July 09, 2009, 10:53:58 PM
er... use bombs?

i can get past her without losing a life.. i use bombs in two of her spellcards though :/
But Sanae on Easy is really, really easy.

Midboss opener: You can get in the middle right at the start and avoid much bullshit.
Midboss card: Dodge and probably bomb. Don't go to the sides, though. Walls ensue.
Opener: Same as her midboss. Stay as high up as you can without dying.
Guests: Ew. Less killer on Normal, but it's pretty much streaming. It's static aside from the one bullet.
Noncard: Uh, pretty straightforward. Don't get walled in.
Moses: Standard streaming back and forth. Don't crash into the wall.
Noncard: loleasy
Card: I just bomb, but it's pathfinding. Find a way through the blue walls and dodge accordingly.
Last: Oh god loleasy.

I don't play on Easy, I never do. I'm afraid I'd fall asleep.
As I said before, I'm playing on normal. So I'm not sure those strategies would work.

lmagus · « **Reply #694 on:** July 09, 2009, 11:24:06 PM »

I was talking about normal too...

saiyoucho · « **Reply #695 on:** July 09, 2009, 11:27:08 PM »

Oh in that case I'll try that later. You wouldn't have to have a replay of it too btw?

Krimmydoodle · « **Reply #696 on:** July 09, 2009, 11:38:25 PM »

Quote from: saiyoucho on July 09, 2009, 10:46:31 PM

How the HELL do you beat that evil damned Sanae in MoF without her completely raeping your entire stock of extralives?!

I'm freaking going insane on this shit. I don't have too much problems figuring out the other bosses patterns, I just need some more practice on them.

But hell I have no freaking idea how to deal with Sanae! I usually make it up there with like 4-5 lives or so atleast, but the best I've ever managed to survive with when I actually beat that evil devil in disguise is a measly 1 life left.

Anyone got any tips or replays showing how to deal with her evil stars of death? I'm playing on normal by the way.

I hate you Sanae.. ;___; I hate you so very much.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=3824

Let's see...

Midboss Noncard: make sure you move into the center when the stars fold. That's the key part. The rest should be easy.

Midboss Spellcard: honestly, I don't think there is much of a trick to this one. You just have to know how to read it. Probably a good one to bomb for now.

Boss Noncard 1: memorize how it starts. The intro is static (same every time), so find something that works and stick with it. Once the randomness kicks in, keep an eye up and look for openings in the bullet waves. Because the waves spread as they descend, it's best to go through any holes as soon as possible, while the waves are still small. If you can't go through the holes in time, you may get walled off. Don't hesitate to bomb if this happens.

Boss Spellcard 1: uh, don't ask me. The card is different from the one that pops up in its place on Hard/Lunatic, so I'm not familiar with it, and the dodging in the replay was purely impromptu dodging.

Boss Noncard 2: Sanae will fire blue waves and red waves. It should be simple when only one wave is approaching, but when the two overlap, look ahead for an opening where the overlap doesn't combine to make a wall.

Boss Spellcard 2: basic streaming. (Move slowly in one direction, then as you approach the wall, dash toward the wall and reverse direction. It's a common strategy for dealing with aimed attacks, so if you're not familiar with streaming, get to know it well.)

Boss Noncard 3: ignore everything to the left and right of Sanae. Pay attention only to what's below her. Watch the path, and follow it. Left right left right left right. Should be simple.

Boss Spellcard 3: red waves will spread, blue waves will stay together. Keep an eye out for blue waves, as they'll wall you if you stand in their way. Find a spot that doesn't have a blue wave approaching, then read and dodge the red bullets.

Boss Spellcard 4: circular bullets are aimed, so stream in one direction until a wave has passed. When a blue wave comes, fit yourself into a hole and follow it moving left. When a green wave comes, fit into a hole and follow it right.

Hopefully this helps. Sorry if I explained anything that was overly obvious and you feel offended. I'd rather overexplain the obvious than post "loleasy" in response to something that someone might not get. *cough cough

LHCling · « **Reply #697 on:** July 09, 2009, 11:45:19 PM »

I thought I would finally return to trying to finish SoEW Extra with "Spread Type" (a.k.a. that ridiculously speedy one).

1 bomb clear the stage portion. I think I found a few awesome spots. Then I died three times to the first phase. My fault for forgetting everything.

How do you survive the "Balls of Death" (3rd Phase)? I clip even using the other two shot types, and it takes far too long to get through because you need to be on the side for about 70% of the time.

Dohohohoho

saiyoucho · « **Reply #698 on:** July 09, 2009, 11:49:52 PM »

Quote from: Krim on July 09, 2009, 11:38:25 PM

Sorry if I explained anything that was overly obvious and you feel offended. I'd rather overexplain the obvious than post "loleasy" in response to something that someone might not get. *cough cough

Thanks a LOT Krim. I just watched the replay and there's a lot of stuff that's suddenly starting to make a lot more sense now.

Oh don't worry about explaining overly obvious things. As I said before, I had no idea how to deal with her cards. They just seemed way too random unlike other bosses cards.

I saw some things that I never thought about before in between all the "omg not again! ;__;" moments when playing.

Funny thing though, MoF crashed for the first time ever just after I finished watching the replay lol. I guess it couldn't take all the skillfull evading. =P

Now it looks like I have a lot of practicing to look forward to. x)

Drake · « **Reply #699 on:** July 10, 2009, 12:19:43 AM »

Sorry, I feel terrible today and my explaining skills are as such.

saiyoucho · « **Reply #700 on:** July 10, 2009, 12:27:46 AM »

Quote from: Drake on July 10, 2009, 12:19:43 AM

Sorry, I feel terrible today and my explaining skills are as such.

Oh don't worry. I've been tired all day, and I just find it a lot easier to learn from watching something than actually reading a lot of stuff.
=)

Milkyway64 · « **Reply #701 on:** July 10, 2009, 12:27:52 AM »

IN Extra + anyone that isn't named Reimu/Yukari = hell.

lmagus · « **Reply #702 on:** July 10, 2009, 12:58:22 AM »

RAGE

just lost 4 lives to Marisa in IN Normal... game over right there, and I thought I was doing pretty good before that... silly me =/

saiyoucho · « **Reply #703 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:04:16 AM »

Quote from: lmagus on July 10, 2009, 12:58:22 AM

RAGE

just lost 4 lives to Marisa in IN Normal... game over right there, and I thought I was doing pretty good before that... silly me =/

Ouch, I can totally relate to that. Marisa in IN is pretty much the biggest reason why I always play as her in that game, so I don't have to face her. >_<

I just can't deal with all those small spiky stars. They are pretty much all over the place. And I still remember the first time I realised that those small sharp points on the stars also kills you.

Nuclear Fusion · « **Reply #704 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:24:33 AM »

Quote from: saiyoucho on July 10, 2009, 01:04:16 AM

And I still remember the first time I realised that those small sharp points on the stars also kills you.

Wait, what?

saiyoucho · « **Reply #705 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:25:39 AM »

Quote from: Nuclear Fusion on July 10, 2009, 01:24:33 AM

Quote from: saiyoucho on July 10, 2009, 01:04:16 AM
And I still remember the first time I realised that those small sharp points on the stars also kills you.

Wait, what?

Yeah, each point of those tiny spikes on the stars. At least I'm sure that they killed me. I really didn't see that coming. >_>

Drake · « **Reply #706 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:28:23 AM »

But they don't. They have a circular hitbox.

saiyoucho · « **Reply #707 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:38:42 AM »

You gotta be kidding me?!
I could have sworn that every time they have killed me, it was on one of those edges and never on the circular middle. >_>

lmagus · « **Reply #708 on:** July 10, 2009, 01:53:19 AM »

LOL SA Normal is too hard for me =(
Died at 3rd stage... damn

LHCling · « **Reply #709 on:** July 10, 2009, 02:04:49 AM »

Oh wow, I realized how reliant I am on double-tapping in SoEW.

Not even Attack Type can manage a 1-bomb clear of the stage portion of Extra without it.

lmagus · « **Reply #710 on:** July 10, 2009, 02:45:26 AM »

I keep getting to Kanako on normal with 2 lives and dying to her

I want to finish this today! damnit

saiyoucho · « **Reply #711 on:** July 10, 2009, 03:28:11 AM »

Quote from: lmagus on July 10, 2009, 02:45:26 AM

I keep getting to Kanako on normal with 2 lives and dying to her
I want to finish this today! damnit

2 lives? That's really close to my last normal. I was lucky enough to get there with 3 lives left. Though I'm guessing a 4th one wouldn't hurt. >_>

The thing that screwed me over the most however is that I didn't notice that her last card is completely immune to bombs. If I had known that from the start, I wouldn't have spammed all my power there and I may have beaten her. >_<

I guess we're kinda in the same boat here. I just hope that it's a nice boat. Should be able to beat Normal mode soon. >_>

theshirn · « **Reply #712 on:** July 10, 2009, 03:34:08 AM »

Saiyoucho: watch this, specifically the part at 3:03 (the very end of Buddhist Diamond). Trust me when I say the spikes on the stars will NOT kill you.

saiyoucho · « **Reply #713 on:** July 10, 2009, 03:51:06 AM »

theshim: Wth.. Is that the same kinda stars as the one as Marisa shoots?
I could have sworn those points killed you.. Hell if they don't, then it must mean that I just really sucked at dodging them. >_<

And what's that ?bar bomb I see getting used in that video? I've never seen that before, how does it work?

lmagus · « **Reply #714 on:** July 10, 2009, 04:17:43 AM »

I just practiced stage 5 on normal for about 2 hours... I feel like I'm ready to face Sanae on a normal run and reach Kanako with 5 lives... of course i know that during the game i'm actually going to screw up and not do it =P

at least i'm better than today earlier... x_x

I can capture all of Sanae's cards on normal except for that one where blue walls are on both sides and she keeps throwing things at you =/

Nuclear Fusion · « **Reply #715 on:** July 10, 2009, 04:19:53 AM »

Benevolent Orleans Dolls.

****ing Benevolent Orleans Dolls.

You are the only thing keeping me from a perfect stage 3 right now.

If anybody can help me with strategy on this, it would be awesome.

Zengar Zombolt · « **Reply #716 on:** July 10, 2009, 04:37:56 AM »

Quote from: saiyoucho on July 10, 2009, 03:51:06 AM

theshim: Wth.. Is that the same kinda stars as the one as Marisa shoots?
I could have sworn those points killed you.. Hell if they don't, then it must mean that I just really sucked at dodging them. >_<

And what's that ?bar bomb I see getting used in that video? I've never seen that before, how does it work?

Must be a deathbomb.
Basically bomb after you're hit (A fraction of second, that is) and you get a more powerful bomb. The thing is, it costs two bombs and the Human/Youkai meter goes 100% to the opposite side.

Krimmydoodle · « **Reply #717 on:** July 10, 2009, 09:36:36 AM »

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Shiki... you cheating bitch...

Spent the time to unlock the hax tier of PoFV characters today (because I'm too stubborn to steal someone's score.dat) and took a shot at Lunatic with Medicine to see what the big deal about her hax is all about. No deaths through to Shiki, which is unprecedented (I believe my best run until now has been a death on Aya and a death on Komachi before reaching Shiki). Things turned up even more as I manage to knock Shiki down to critical health on my first life (I don't believe I've ever even -hit- Shiki on my first life, much less brought her down to critical health, on any difficulty, even through all of today as I ground through the first 9 characters on fucking -Normal-). I'm feeling fucking cocky at this point, and Shiki makes me repent for it. I proceed to die. Five. Fucking. Times. (Another unprecedented event!) Game over.

Cheating bitch.

bjw · « **Reply #718 on:** July 10, 2009, 09:46:51 AM »

Quote from: Krim on July 10, 2009, 09:36:36 AM

Shiki... you cheating bitch...

Well, technically, you're the one using Medicine

LHCling · « **Reply #719 on:** July 10, 2009, 11:12:16 AM »

Right, so I just beat my score for PoFV Lunatic again (with Yuka). This time, with 1 extra life remaining.

...then saving the replay crashes this time.

On another note, I would like to also throw a rage moment at "Imperishable Night". Don't worry; I'm not having complete trouble; I just clipdeath frequently.

Hm.

If I use Reimu for a LLS Lunatic No-Bomb, it would be something like:

1 death on Kurumi
1 death (probably) on Elly
0-2 deaths on LLS Stage 4 mid-bosses (timing far too crucial)
1-2 deaths on the "Rings of Death" (Stage 5)
1 death (probably) on Yuka's Final Phase (Stage 5)
3 deaths on Yuka's First Phase (Stage 6)
1 death (probably) on Yuka's 2nd last phase (Rank works wonders)
1-3 deaths on Yuka's Final Phase (Stage 6; lol clipdeath)

Adding up, worst case scenario of 14 deaths, which is 4 over the limit.
Guess I'll be relying on surviving the mid-bosses, and pray for no clipdeaths on Yuka's Final Phases.

Well, going to try tomorrow.

Speaking of which, I can't see any holes in Yuka's First Phase, first wave on Lunatic. I do know the difference between Hard and Lunatic is only an additional ring of bullets, so why is it so impossible to see the holes? I guess I'll have to check my video data.