Now obviously if absolutely everyone tried the exact same hang-back thing then nothing would get done, so in that case it's perfectly fine to step up and take the initiative by following "normal" Day 1 conventions wrt case-making. When there's already so much useless ambient noise, though? No.
Again, why are you labelling all of this as useless? People are making cases, stating opinions, and after a flip or two they can be held to these opinions and then more discussion can start.
You say this like Suwako and I don't have any opinions on the table.
Given that Suwako has basically been tunneling on you and Pesco all day? I'd say that opinion is pretty valid.
Likewise, your contribution has more or less been 'STFU GUYS YOU'RE ALL RETARDED, VOTE VGT FOR NOT HAVING OPINIONS'.
If "loud" Townies don't want suspicion to fall on them they maybe they should tone it down? Seems like the logical counter to doing something scum can exploit to me.
And thus we retract to the 'if no-one is willing to speak up, anti-town results'. We need loud Townies to bounce conversation off of.
You really need to stop being so narrow-minded if you're equating what Suwako and myself have done this game to what Tenshi has done this game. Suwako and I have had opinions from the beginning. I changed mine a little bit as the day progressed, while Suwako stuck to hers for most of the day before the recent change.
Tenshi has literally done nothing until now. No posts (outside of "whoa the game started?"), no opinions. This is not at all what we've done. I don't know why you'd equate our situations other than this bizarre and incorrect "people who don't post a lot are scum!" formula that you've subscribed to for whatever reason.
Firstly, it's called Lynch All Lurkers. I'm relatively sure YOU were the one who introduced it to MotK in IN Mafia.
Secondly, I'm saying that Tenshi is the logical extreme of your ideal - you say people talk too much, but Tenshi isn't talking
at all. Where do you draw the line between your Special Day 1 Apathy and outright lurking?
Thirdly, it irritates me how the two of you post so often and most of your posts consist of complaining that everyone else is talking too much. Take Suwako's advice and get your head out of your clacoa - maybe we aren't godlike players like you are, but that doesn't me we aren't doing our damnedest right now.
Finally, I am of the opinion that this Day 1 Apathy tactic of yours is massively anti-Town. I'm reminded of an old riddle:
"A professor visits a store along with his wife when the two are split up. The wife is about to go looking for him when she remembers something her husband had said in a lecture - 'if two people are separated, it will help them come together faster if one stays where they are while the other searches'. Assuming she remembered the lecture correctly, why was it a mistake for her to wait?"The answer?
This mindset of yours and Suwako's gives the two of you a convenient excuse to not contribute to discussion without being reprimanded for it. That is what makes me convinced that Suwako is worth voting for, and I'm beginning to remember something you said at the end of
Communication Breakdance:
Also, since I don't have to worry about people going "Kilga is using meta! Get him!" anymore, my scum play is to put my ass on the line, not my buddies'. Look at PC-98, SWR and Bamboo Forest, three games in a row where I was scum. All three games I came under heavy fire on Day 2 whilst my buddies were allowed to coast on through to the victory. Thinking I would throw buddies away to win the game myself is silly.
Note how you've come out of the woodworks to defend Suwako's style of play. I'm thinking personally that a Suwako flip would be very education in terms of your affiliation...
I don't follow.
It comes across as you being relatively sure that these flips will harm Suwako - i.e. people who he aren't voting for (VgT) are scum or vice versa.
