Extension or not, can people make clear who they're thinking of voting for? It's getting kinda to that point and there's slots who I really don't know what they're thinking. Mine would be on Rei. I'll be here up to deadline.
As of the start of this post, I'm feeling I'm leaning on Rei-chan, but I need to look over what he has to say. Serela's my secondary option.
Okay so the Kilg-Shalako back and forth again, and Shalako's logic is still sound. Might come back to this to see if there are contradictions, but first, Rei-chan's wall.
To broadly address concerns over my play or it being 'a step down', I honestly, genuinely believe its not really indicative. I mean this is probably very irresponsible coming from me, and I will readily admit that it is, because I am distracted by both irl work and FTL I find myself rapidly losing interest in the game, but the simple answer to the shalako exchange is simple, I wasn't sparing time to go through posts and missed the Shalako claim, thats why i was asking for him to claim again. The post I made after shalako pointed out that he claimed already was simply me restating my position because whether Shalako have or have not claimed before pushing me to claim only justifies that individual push, and still does not address the broad problem I have with Shalako, that is overall very uncommitted arguments that do not seriously push someone as scum. This 'Rei dun screwed up thing!' still feels very much exaggerated and the conclusion that it somehow directly leads to scum honestly feels very artificial, much along the lines of the 'Kilg is making things up! Hes scum!' thing on D1.
This paragraph has a few issues, personal or otherwise.
- Rapidly losing interest? NOW of all times? I personally feel things are actually starting to get interesting.
- I'm fairly certain Shalako's claim was the first thing he posted D3. I don't feel it's normal for you to skip over this so callously. But yeah, irl issues and whatnot do tend to get in the way so... ?\_(ツ)_/?
- A fair point on Shalako's arguments not really being a serious push for scum, but I feel his questioning has gotten us somewhere. If nothing else, I'm much less convinced of the possibility of him being scum right now.
- The exaggeration of the 'Rei dun screwed up thing!' is coming from who, again? Is this just one person, or the whole of town? If we're just talking town here, then you can't expect me to believe all of town is blowing this out of proportion on purpose.
Also, since we are on the topic of claims, I am a VT, I have no special abilities whatsoever, I was basically crumbing that in the very first self-promotion post when I outright stated, 'unlike other swimmings, I have only one stroke and isn't as good as you guys'.
So you're vanilla, yet you refused to claim this? What's the reasoning behind that? If you crumbed it early on, (not a direct quote, but his opening paragraph on 15 checks out) you could have stated it just as early as you chose not to claim.
I'd argue that the crumb is just flavor fluff, but after looking at a few of the roles and the characters in question, flavor and roles seem pretty intertwined. :x
The reverse psychology thing Shalako brought up about how caring about his commitment will 'lose us the game and is silly' is honestly rather confusing too, unlike Kilga who seems to be accepting Shalako's arguments, I don't understand why its ok for Shalako to avoid that questioning altogether and instead throw us a WIFOM and tell us not to think about it. To be more specific, Serela actually does much better in this department, he was at least very honest and upfront about not being able to get a good read on anyone because 'everyone seems town', and he was readily admitting the PoE on me make little sense to begin with, which were why I decided to look at someone else instead of further tunneling my 'confscums'. Serela makes very genuine misslips I can believe that is from a town!Serela, whereas I can't really say the same about Shalako. This doesn't mean I am entirely dropping my suspicion on Serela though, but that basically I think I am more pensive on that.
Actually, this does seem a bit suspicious, when you mention it. It sounds a bit like the "effort = town" argument that came up a lot last game, and reserving your reads at this point may not be the wisest decision. Am I really gonna have to reread Shalako's posts again for this? ._.
But this isn't even supposed to be the main topic, because of the past 24 hours, I have basically been contemplating and ISOing the posts Kilga and Nagisa made throughout the game, and whether they made sense with player interactions as scum. It was a difficult process because the scumkill have been of paritcularly low value as Raitaki was an obvtown target.
But that doesn't really change how I think Nagisa is actually more scummy upon rereading than I initally expected. His posts are much more logically sound than Shalako's and Serela's, thats a given, but I want to point out in specific how that at their core they still are similar to theirs, meaning they usually lack commitment and are what little that do are rather sheepish and mostly pandering to popular opinion.
To be fair, most of my arguments last game were sheepish and pandering to popular opinion, and the only clear cut difference was I was instacleared with the vig kill.
Notably, I find the only D2 post from Nagisa to be very lacking. There was only one post, two if you count even the one during nighttalk about Nagisa's position on CF7, and as you may observe, his opinion pummels rather rapidly from somewhat suspicious questioning to directly scumread, as seen here;I want to note specifically Nagisa is leaning particularly heavy on following existent players cases or majority's consent, even after addressing my inital D1 question of his posts still feeling very rehash heavy, in addition, I noticed upon a reread that most of Nagisa's arguments which are original are mostly cookie cutter scumhunt logic, I personally don't feel elaboration on why 'lurking is bad' or 'claim philosophy' are very indicative of commitment, and I have a bone to pick with that.
The D2 post was pretty massive a change, but I was overly confident on that read and on Kilg's assessment of the slot. I recognize how scummy it looks that I immediately jumped onto that vote over one post, but there was nothing convincing about his apathetic response to mine or anyone else's questions.
Wait WHEN did we do that? When did you pose a question D1 regarding my posts feeling rehash heavy, and when did I respond to it? I don't recall this AT ALL, and I can't find that anywhere. Are you making that up, and why?
Which posts in particular are you referring to at the end there, and what exactly do you have an issue with on such cases?
Finally, my biggest problem to note is how in particular laid back Nagisa is and how confident he is at upholding his townreads and lynches. I want to bring your attention in particular to last game in FTL mafia where Nagisa was waffling a million times back and forth and is basically swayed to a degree by every wall. I find his play this game to differ very greatly from his playstyle last game and is notably much more confident and super concise (to a degree his presence is somewhat lacking), and thats not really good, I find his townreads are constructed
very weakly upon generalizations instead of logic, and his votes are parked usually without much deliberation which I saw was characteristic from town!Nagisa last game. It can basically be contrasted with Kilgs playstyle, which you can note that Kilg is very bold, straightforward and lays his convictions and intents clearly on the table where they do seem to represent a gradual developing thought process as he reaches out for new information and reconsider his standings once hes being approached. Nagisas play this game is essentially defined by sheeping, and that seems to be rather characteristic scum behavior from me combined with an overall lack of presence.
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Yeesh, this is what I get for trying to have some confidence in my own decision-making skill? >.>
In any case, I made clear post-game that I wasn't immediately familiar with forum-styled mafia play, and I was playing in a new environment in general. My understanding of the basic rules was all I had for that game. I've got that experience now, and I tried to make use of it and put a little more faith in my deductive ability. While my confidence on the
singular lynch that town has initiated was misguided, most of my remaining townreads that haven't been cleared have been shifting all over the place, namely my opinion on your own slot, which went from blind townread with little basis of evidence to a pretty heavy scumlean, more based off probable fabrication of evidence - such as the D1 question you mentioned which I'm fairly certain never happened - and unnecessary concealment of your role.
You make a good point on my behaviour seeming sheepish and my activity being lacking, and I don't have any good reason for it. Lack of experience isn't good enough to excuse that here.
