Rhythm Heaven Mafia (Superb)

[Affinity]

@moridin:

At the start of the game Prims wanted to policy lynch ActionDan right? In which case, isn't it almost impossible that the both of them are MAFIA?

Nope, scum can feign wanting to vote their buddies, even to the point of lynch.  It's called bussing, and while I agree that it's unlikely for D1 it's not near impossible.  (even more so since policy lynches are really rare). 

Answer my question; you think the cases presented so far are thin, but are they scummy or anything to you?

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Satisfied by Sky_Paladin's response. Affinity seems mostly OK now too.

Moridin, if you absolutely insist on voting inactives (which isn't going to do anything this early in the game, people will post when they see the thread), why are you ignoring the rest of the game at the same time?

I'm down with a Schezo wagon, yes Raikaria is bad but had Schezo not posted before Raikaria made another jokepost he would have had like... nothing, and this isn't very impressive when there are multiple wagons today he's just ignoring and Raikaria is a particularly easy case to make. Right now also isn't a situation where town would want to be nonchalant about the entire game.

Bard is scummy because he ignores context of my posts for the sake of voting me - in actual reality mafia world my call for a policy lynch on Dan was not being followed up with, and "this is a legit reason for scum to mislynch somebody!" is a ridiculous accusation because for fuck's sake I never even said we should turbolynch Dan, just that we should heap pressure on him all game. Already discussed why I think "brownie points" is worthless as an argument and ultimately padding. Even if town can make constructed cases Bard is twisting my actions which is inherently sleazy.

On a side note, BT, you seem a lot more "I'm voting Bard because I disagree" than I am after your response to his wall of text where you said you thought you'd seen this same wallfight before. why are you scumreading Bard?

RE: Affinity: Bard's case being "constructed" was never my only reason for suspecting him, although my vote-switch was because it struck me that his case seemed hypocritical ("Prims is fishy for putting down serious vote asap" does not translate to "Prims is fishy for putting down serious vote asap which he does not usually do").

RE: Bard's points being about the person and not the action, well, okay, but this seems like an ass-pull as that was not clear in your initial post at all and I'm unsure how anybody was supposed to draw that conclusion. Even as meta points they're incredibly silly as my town meta is far from static (like, compare NHK to Adorable, two games which happened back to back).

RE: late Dan explanation: I was focussing on other things and wanted the game state to evolve a bit. What triggered my elaboration wasn't the vote switch, it was Dan bringing up Raikaria as a serious option which painted his RVS post in a whole new light. Establishing my previous dislike of him was a side-note.

RE: Bard and my Dan suspicion: policy lynch suggestion proposed something serious to discuss, Dan goes "no don't" then drops what seems to be a RVS vote, offering no real alternative, when town!Dan is a more eager player than this. Note that this isn't something I'd vote him for NOW (I agree with Affinity that you are stuck in the past) but as a RVS STRONG case it's pretty reasonable. The main reason I find Dan scummy is that his Raikaria vote was apparently serious but he never explained it at a point when town would want serious cases and nobody else would have picked up on it. And he still hasn't explained that when I asked him to and is just prod-dodging. He doesn't care about doing anything with his reads. SPEAKING OF WHICH

##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan
Now Bard can be OK with a policy lynch on you because you're actually really really scummy. I posed a question to you while you were actively posting and you ignored it when making your prod-dodge hours later. Stop sucking up to LLD and do something if you actually care about playing for town; as is it's evident you don't.

I'm not getting lynched today, meaning LLD needs to do actually something so I don't feel like I'm being too quick in giving her a pass for intentionally playing like a Shit Player.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Sky's drunk babblng I was just cut by gave me scum vibes like where he responded to Prims and Affinity, but I'm pretty sure "I thought about it at work" is Town.

actually I'd like an explanation for the scum vibes here and why him thinking about it at work can't be faked cuz both of these statements seem pretty arbitrary to me

[Schezo]

ok.

Dorian you think I made a serious vote 1 page into the game.  The Raikaria vote has something even if it's "easy" to make.  I had no reason to keep an rvs vote, u srs?
And my Raikaria vote isn't even a prod, just lynch him already.  Promising future content is cheep talk.

I honestly have no idea why moridin would claim an unccable action right now when he was going to show us his power n1 anyways.
The only thing I can thing of is to make his slot look like its doing something by having a verifiable action out on day 1 as opposed to waiting for the night which is ehhhh?
And what is your vote on LLD right now?  RVS or do you really just not like LLD's one liners?

and excuse the shit out of me for not having anything to say about a bunch of people overreacting about very weak points and votes from early rvs.  It isn't even crazy that the "ez mode Raikaria" vote is actually one of the better cases at the moment since most everyone else is being proactive.
The wagons right now are bard freaking out over nothing and if anything I put that huh what is more scum out of them since he's attacked Bard LLD and Sky after they suspected him. 
Though I disagree with HW and day 1 is the most nonchalant thing in the game.  Half the players lurk it out lest they be called out and voted o god!
HW isn't even getting lynched today because of how much he's talking (lel)

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I'm town-reading LLD, for the record.

nevermind that suspecting somebody who suspects you isn't a scumtell, especially when you're a major focus of the day, and that OMGUS is a meme that should be wiped from everybody's mafia vocabularies forever

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

that said I feel like you're purposely underplaying everything. Bard is freaking out, but is he town or scum? Dan is technically a wagon, why isn't he worth your vote? Especially since he is definitely not being pro-active and evidently doesn't care about his own opinions.

D1 is dumb but these things only become surface level because you let them be.

[Schezo]

Bard is null freaking out about early rvs shit for being early rvs shit.  I'm not seeing the slam dunk case on him as scum.

As for why I don't really care about dan is because I saw dorian say that votes on him are useless if he doesn't talk day 1 anyways and people won't lynch a lurker day 1 (which is true)
but I like you better after your responses to me so let's just wait for all that promised content^TM from like half of the players.  (moridin raikaria cf7 LLD)

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

you say people won't lynch a lurker day 1 but also say people won't lynch a talker day 1

from a game theory standpoint i would much rather lynch dan over a talker like bard and as it happens dan is scummy as fucc alongside being a lurker, now is the best time to pick him off

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the tl;dr of my case on Bard is that he's twisting things that aren't really alignment-relevant so he can push me; I have cooled on him based on his response if the tells really are partially meta but think he wasn't very clear about that when voting me.

[Schezo]

people don't lynch lurkers day 1.  they lynch people who fuck up day 1 by talking.  I wouldn't let you get lynched just because you talk a lot.  I'd rather play with a scum who posts than 5 people afk.

I'll be back in a few hours and if no one's said shit I'm cool with a dan lynch. 

[CF7]

While rereading the thread and trying to make sense of the current wagons there was one thing, that kind of set some mental alarms off.
@BT.
Can you explain your reasons for voting Bard? In the post you are voting for him, you talk about different people, then suddenly vote Bard for no reason and then  talk about some other things. All in alll that vote seems strange, like scummy levels of strange...

[Schezo]

wait.  who is bt's avi?

[BT]

Ginko the mushi master you little shit

who's in your fucking avatar


err

CF7 my reason for voting Bard there was the agreement at the top of the page, which I mentioned in the post right after the one you're referring to. Still "scummy levels of strange"?

The reason the Bard vote stuck is that I saw the disagreement as a sign that he's scum. The reason we repeat "you're just disagreeing, not finding him/her scummy" is that it's not always the same thing. But I thought Bard was basing a "strong gut read" on things he blew out of proportion or were otherwise faulty. I didn't expect him to remember every previous game, but I vaguely remember seeing Bard attack huhwhat on ED1 pro-town posing before, so I figured there's a chance he remembers too and is brushing it aside. The fact that I didn't agree even about the meta meant I didn't see where his gut vote would originate from in the first place, meaning it's fake.

Day is 48 hours, isn't it. I can vote Dan for not following up with a post after the page 4 exchange, though I'm not sure that's a scummy thing or if he just really, really doesn't care. So I definitely won't mourn a consolidation wagon but don't really feel anything otherwise.

[BT]

Raikaria's also a person who failed to bring content to the table despite "thinking" about it which I think is telling because IDK what kind of time troubles Dan is having. If Dan has no time trouble and it's bullshit then he's scum too. They're all scum.

(I would lynch Rai first, I think.)

I was gonna poke LLD for not doing anything to get huhwhat lynched but I saw the votecount and thought "ehh, maybe", but yeah, still. You're basically not affecting the game at all.

[BT]

actually I'd like an explanation for the scum vibes here and why him thinking about it at work can't be faked cuz both of these statements seem pretty arbitrary to me

shit forgot

Felt like Sky was pressured to explain stuff in detail and it was scummy. I like picking at arbitrary stuff, but really, I read that line and it gave me pause and I wondered if he would have casually dropped that into his explanation post if he was scum. I'm kinda conflicted on Sky at the moment because it's pretty much based on whether I think he's BSing or not. Currently leaning "no" but more things to work with from the dude to make this less one-dimensional would be appreciated.

[Schezo]

dang I got owned and I just liked it.

um

Catboy Uzu Sanageyama.

And like the rule is you don't poke lld unless you're ready to throw down and like.. no.

[Affinity]

Just posting to say I'm okay with a Dan lynch due to the lurking.  Wary of the ensuing wagon since the reasons behind it tend to disappear if Dan posts seriously, causing everyone to scatter frightfully and emptily.  Most Dan proponents have more than one scumread, but still.  The number of people okay with a Dan lynch also worries me.

BT's explanation of his Bard vote seems retroactive and unconvincing.  I don't know.  As others have said, his vote history feels messed up (especially since he said he would like to lynch Rai most now). Somewhat moderated by how open his being to all angles, but man.

Judgement on Ralkaria\Schezo pending.  Not very interested in their play today.

Let's see what Bard has to say.

Sigh.

[BT]

"Rai first over Dan", not "Rai first". Context matters.

I wouldn't call that an adequate explanation, more of an elaboration and response to people who questioned me about stuff. The case is basically that I don't buy Bard's case, which is definitely stronger than anything else I have. I'll reread today to make sure I'm not being short-sighted about it.

A little addendum to what I said about Dan: I don't "feel anything" because I do think his reaction to <4 pages was a little... uhh. It's an overreaction and scum are more likely to overreact over thread activity.

[BT]

EBWOP: I don't "don't feel anything". lol.

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If Dan is town then he should care. There's a lack of caring from him even ED1 which is the easiest possible time for him to care if he's town.

[Raikaria]

Raikaria's also a person who failed to bring content to the table despite "thinking" about it which I think is telling because IDK what kind of time troubles Dan is having. If Dan has no time trouble and it's bullshit then he's scum too. They're all scum.

Timezones man. Timezones. Was getting late when I said I was mulling it over. Now I'm awake again.

@Moridin: Can you tell me why you felt the need to claim? I don't think there was enough  pressure on you to justify is, so what was it that you tried to accomplish with it?

If Mordin is a night-talker he's be outed the instant he spoke during N1 anyway, so scum could target him N1 knowing his role regardless. I don't think there is a reason for Mordin to wait on his claim.

Bard is scummy because he ignores context of my posts for the sake of voting me - in actual reality mafia world my call for a policy lynch on Dan was not being followed up with, and "this is a legit reason for scum to mislynch somebody!" is a ridiculous accusation because for fuck's sake I never even said we should turbolynch Dan, just that we should heap pressure on him all game.

Wait this doesn't make any sense what are you trying to say here huhwhat?

  Promising future content is cheep talk.

Again; sleeping. Timezones. Also you admit yourself that other players have promised content later yet for the most part focus solely upon me. Any particular reason?

Anywho; there are things I have come to the conclusion that I do not like:

I don't like Lexicat's early posts, especially the attitude in them. Also apparently Lexicat is LLD but I don't see how that works?

People without their votes on Prims should reconsider their life choices. People with their votes on Prims are awesome cats who deserve head-scratches.

You want a case? You're scum. There you go, case compiled.

Not satisfied? I'm not really bothered. If you wanna vote me, you should just do it instead of threatening to do it.

I mean seriously. This isn't a good attitude to have.

Also LLD has done absolutely nothing since this except defend me before I had even posted D1 content [Wat] and this:

Yeah I've seen nothing to convince me that I should be voting anyone but Prims right now.

On the other hand, I did see something I want to follow up on, but I wanna see how it evolves first.

So; yeah totally up for lynching Lexicat at this point. I'm usually the largest proponent of lynching lurkers D1 after all.

But there are a few other things I want to say:

I don't like anyone who used 'Fence Sitting' as an actual case. Because it's stupid and smells of just making up any reason to lynch people. I'm looking at Sky_Paladin and Bard here. People using confirmation posts as reasons people are scum is also bad especially when they do not explain how that post is scummy [Actiondan and Sky]

CF7's reason for voting Sky_Paladin isn't in CF7's vote post. It's the post after it. [#58] Yet Sky gets the impression he is being voted because of his avatar? Honestly; if CF7 was voting people for having a youkai avatar I'd have a noose around my neck already because my avatar is a youkai youkai and not a fairy.

Although; on the other hand; apparently it took 20 minutes for CF7 to post three lines about why he was actually voting Sky. So... IDK.

Sky also seems to severely over-react to CF7's vote on him [See: The wall he made, although it was a drunkpost]. But this is somewhat regular for Sky. I don't like the 'Prims ended RVS early he's bad' thing either.

Right now I'm finding it difficult to go between Sky_Paladin and Lexicat. I think I'm just going to go for the old standard D1 meta and go for the one out of the two I dislike who has the least content.

I don't particularly like Schezo's content and such still, but he's a lesser issue than Sky's bad cases and overreaction to being voted and Lexicat's... everything and nothing.

#Unvote
#Vote: Lexicat

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[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

if schezo was a true townie he would have made his avatar this http://i.imgur.com/QdecOIh.png

raikaria when i said i wasn't following up my dan policy suggestion i meant i never was actually going to lynch him - the post said we should keep a wagon on him so he's under the threat of the lynch

thoughts on dan case? lld lynch isn't happening today and honestly i hate your post because that's a lot of quotes for several non-opinions and an easy voteswitch that could be summed up as "lld is not playing mafia". a fun fact is that dan is also not playing mafia and doesn't even have any sort of vigor to his "opinion"

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

i am fairly certain (lol) that if LLD was scum who wanted to coast on gutread shitposting she would not have bothered questioning dan, unless she wanted to set up pseudocontent that she could link back to when called out for not doing anything. when you want to fly under the radar as scum you stay in your comfort zone

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

tl;dr i interpret the lld/dan exchange as lld being town who thought something was there. i do hate lld's play but wouldn't lynch her as is

[Schezo]

if schezo was a true townie he would have made his avatar this http://i.imgur.com/QdecOIh.png

that's next week.  after the puyo tetris ones though.  Those are so great.

and Raikaria are you reading I already did this.

The witch of certainty is LadyLambdadelta or LLD or LSD

as for actually playing that's for tomorrow morning cause I'm too impaired to actually give you a thing right now.

[WHMZakeri]

1, 2, 3, 3, 2, 1...
1, 2, 3, A, B, C!

Just: (2) BT, Affinity
Raikaria: (2) ActionDan, Schezo
Prims: (2) Lexicat, Just
Schezo: (1) Dorian
ActionDan: (2) Moridin84, Prims
Dorian Mizuhashi: (1) Sky_Paladin
Sky_Paladin: (1) CF7
Lexicat: (1) Raikaria

7 Votes needed for Majority
16 and a half hours left

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

lmao 2/2/2/2 wagons (also Schezo only has 1 vote barring mayor!Dorian)

I'll go Dan > Raikaria > Bard, Dan first because he's inactive AND scummy and Raikaria over Bard mostly because Bard will be less of a headache to read later compared to the other two. Utility lynching in 2014 but what are you gonna do about it.

More realistically though, I leave my vote on Dan before going to bed late at night so you guys are railroaded into consolidating onto my scumread when I sleep past deadline (fuck alarms).

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

also Raikaria's lld vote is especially wtf when you consider we're low on time and all of nobody has expressed interest in lynching her (and Dan-sorta and I implied a lack of interest in it).

[BT]

Timezones man. Timezones. Was getting late when I said I was mulling it over. Now I'm awake again.

No no, I was talking about the timeframe you were active in yesterday which ended in the "CF7/Sky mulling over" post. Your posts were full of insignificant / weak points and you had the time to "mull over" CF7/Sky or find something more serious than the minor jab with Schezo but you didn't. It took you a few hours to say you had to mull over things after saying more or less nothing solid.

Speaking of which, going from a self-admitted "weak" Schezo vote to "I still don't like Schezo's content" is exploitative. If you think Schezo is scummy it's news because you had insignificant reason to think so prior.

Since when does the fence-sitting argument bother you?

No one was voting anyone for their avatar. That's still incorrect analysis. The whole take on CF7/Sky ended up being wishy-washy and betrays the conclusoin you came to that you're fine with voting Sky.

And on top of that, I don't know what kind of meta you're talking about but it seems like an arbitrary way to justify where your vote is.

I'm gonna do the Bard reread now.

[BT]

wtf Prims there's no way you're sleeping for 16 hours.