Chapter 1: I love you Bard. Responding to Bard's post,
here.
I largely agree with your first two paragraphs. I disagree with the guts of your points though.
The entire spiel about SB is dishonest in the sense that you're relying on a logical fallacy:
You propose SB is Scum, and without checking whether your assumption is correct, undermine him. That's counting your chicks before the eggs are hatched.
You aren't making sense. It's impossible to check SB's alignment without a flip, so Raikaria did the best thing - he voted for SB. This happened in the last hour of the phase. Why would Raikaria vote alongside the guy he thought he was scum? That's not undermining. That's just the sensible course of action.
1) If you were Town suspecting SB as Scum, it doesn't make sense to vote opposite of what he wants.
It makes absolute sense because there was less than an hour left in the phase and a lynch of SB was impossible. The next best thing is a lynch of the guy who SB is apparently trying to save, which was DNA.
Using a contrived reason as, "I think SB is scum, and I don't want his lynch target lynched", you're basically saying you actively moved to prevent Scum's lynch Day 1 and tried to push DNA's lynch ahead instead.
I think what you meant to say here was '...saying you actively moved to prevent a scum from being lynched' because a scum lynch means a scum-directed lynch. So preventing a scum-directed lynch? Town move. Sadly, SB was actually town, so this is null.
3) Town's weapon is a lynch. With less than 30 minutes left, instead of trying to secure a lynch, you tied up wagons. Pro-Town movement would have voted Sky Paladin in hopes someone else can hammer. Pro-Scum movement is avoiding the lynch.
No, this is wrong. BBM and SB tied up the lynch. They had two votes and the option to hammer DNA; Raikaria has one vote and even if he had voted for me, nobody else was around and it would have been five votes. The only viable lynch at that time was DNA, and both BBM and SB said they would hammer but chose not to do so because of DNA's claim. We also know from DNA's opening post today that his claim was faked, so I don't actually understand why the Raikaria wagon is even a thing.
I checked your initial reasons for voting SB in your #94, Raikaria. That's what I call a chainsaw defence: you're trying to pretend he had no valid reason to vote Sky Paladin and used that as a basis to throw suspicion onto SB instead.
SB had no valid reason, and that's why I spent effort on it in my announce. I knew I would be busy for the first part of this phase and wanted to get in first. If I knew he would be dead I wouldn't have wasted my time. Instead of arguing about if what Raikaria did was right or not, actually check SB's case and the facts for yourself, and then decide what you would have done. If you are town you can expect other town players would reasonably do the same thing.
All of this went down in the last hour of the phase and the only good choice was a lynch of DNA, and SB and BBM didn't want to do it. Raikaria was not responsible for the no-lynch; SB and BBM were.
That aside, the main accusation of *did nothing* does largely apply to Raikaria, who earned a vote from SB day 1 because of it. However, NNR, Junko, Shadoweh, Bard's slot also *did nothing*. The reason Raikaria was picked up IMO is because he *did nothing* while being visible.
Chapter 2: Miscellaneous scraps. Pokemoni thought DNA targetted neko neko rex. He was hooked. If you flip town announcer if you get lynched BBM gets auto lynched so what reason would BBM have to fake a guilty.
DNA did not target NNR. He claimed to have targeted me.
If I am lynched, I'll flip green, and we do not immediately lynch BBM because see later.
Raikaria
What situation is there were BBM is lying about his result on Sky and he is not scum; Sky? Why are you not voting him? Are you wanting to try and avoid the 1v1 or something; knowing that if BBM flipped what he claimed you would be dead?
At this stage I think BBM has to be town irrespective of DNA's flip because why would a scum player come out with a fake track result when it's not LYLO? Well I guess if they can cause a fake flip or something that might hold water, but that seems unlikely.
The trouble is I'm green, so if you lynch me today and push for a lynch of BBM, I think he's green too, and we're pretty much screwed.
I can't explain BBM's result. However, we know;
1 - DNA lied about his claim, so there's at least one scum action unaccounted for (the missing hook or sabotage or whatever).
2 - I stated in my announce that there should be a watcher on SB; so if I was scum I would not have sent in a hit on SB.
3 - We don't know if scum could hit and act; it was probably impossible for me to announce and have sent in any other action;
4 - If scum CAN hit and act, there's possibly as much as two unaccounted for actions, not one.
5 - The rule specifically state if your action is redirected you'll be told about it.
6 - It was reasonable to assume that some kind of investigation would be used on DNA or myself because of the way day 1 ended.
If there is a scum 'plant a fake guilty on a player' type ability, it would have been used on DNA or myself; and since DNA is scum, it wouldn't have been used on him.
Alternatively, if DNA, BBM and Junko are all telling the truth, then we have three investigation roles + 1 doctor. It seems reasonable that scum would have some way to foil an investigation.
DNA
if Sky P is lynched and flips town, we turbolynch BBM who provided the guilty track. why would you turbolynch ME?
We don't turbo lynch anybody, and we certainly don't turbo lynch BBM, who at worst seems to be town with a fake guilty.
We consider a lynch on BBM or DNA in the next day phase because DNA confirmed me town, and BBM said no. There's your 1 v 1. I'm just the monkey in the middle.
not surprised man, coming from the guy who ties up wagons instead of making a lynch possible, are you really town?
As stated earlier, BBM and SB tied up the wagon, not Raikaria.
if you are still dubious i would swallow my entire fridge's stock of michelina's mac and cheese and upload a video on youtube if hes green
I'll look forward to that video. Sadly I'll have to put my comments in the graveyard.
Raikaria
If ya that confident. No need to go all knight Templar on me for being a little curious as too the nature of your survival.
It seriously depresses me when you (Raikaria) vote change for no reason other than somebody yelling at you. You did it in the last game too (as scum I might add).
Pokemon
If Sky P does somehow flip town I would NOT turbo BBM because think about it. Why would scum throw themselves into a pointless 1v1 only to get turboed tomorrow.
^^ this.
Also you should never turbo lynch anybody regardless because you waste valuable scum hunting time, and the longer you leave a potential scum alive and talking, the more information you've got to find their buddies.
@BBM
You haven't really done anything this day phase, and you helped cause the no-lynch last phase. You did have some good interactions with Zak on day 1 but that's about it.
Even if you are town, you're being unhelpful and wasting time. If you really have a result, it's been tampered with, and I implore you to do some scumhunting today.
Zak
super skimmed the rest of the game and nothing stuck out at me.
If I wasn't like 90% sure of DNA, I'd be voting you right now.
