Author Topic: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object  (Read 102287 times)

Hawk

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2009, 02:41:48 AM »
How? You mean going around the perimeter at the point when bullets have the lowest rate of outward propagation?

No.  The non-card is static, and the inner shots are radially symmetric with each other.  The objective is to stand at a distance such that you're inside the outer ring, and in a gap in the inner one.  The idea is that, since the inner ring is radially symmetric, and they pass through the ring's center point, the gap when the spawn is the same as the gap when they leave.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=4679

I chose Reimu for the hitbox, and my success rate is...well, see for yourself.

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2009, 09:55:23 AM »
Whoa. That looks too hard to be feasible, unless a good positioning marker is found. Nice find, though!
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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2009, 11:28:04 AM »
lgb, a minor error - you have my ~153 mil MarisaA Normal run listed as a MarisaB.  Just thought I'd point that out.

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2009, 01:38:25 AM »
Reprise just posted a new Marisa-A run on Easy, achieving 1.56 billion. How? By discovering what is probably the greatest scoring trick in the game: an insane grazing safespot inside Unzan's eye, which can be used easily by every character on most likely every difficulty. That's some public service right there!

Ironically, Sanae-B (and, to a lesser extent, Reimu-B) benefits from it the least due to her proximity-based bomb. An odd way to restore balance, but it seems like every character can go over 1.5 billion on Easy without doing anything particularly dangerous now, as long as the UFO route is adhered to. (That being said, Reprise still didn't use either of the improvements I posted above, hehe.) Though if someone finds the way to abuse this safespot effectively with Sanae-B (in other words, without ending the spellcard in a single bomb discharge), we'll probably see a 1.7 billion Easy replay someday.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2009, 01:45:26 AM by moozooh »
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Hawk

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2009, 04:57:02 AM »
Interesting.  While I wasn't aware there was an actual safespot there, I've been experimenting with grazing with MarisaA on stage 3.  With regards to the final card, much, much more graze can be obtained by moving slightly up during Master Spark.  The optimal distance seems to be about 2 or 3 hitboxes.  I was able to obtain 10.5k graze in a stage 3 practice run using this technique.  This is also why I think MarisaA will eventually triumph over SanaeB.  The graze hitbox, plus Master Spark grazing, seems to hold an incredible amount of untapping potential.

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2009, 01:00:21 PM »
You might be right about that. The graze hitboxes are really odd in this game, without any explanation for them whatsoever. Sanae is still able to bomb-graze in other areas where Marisa cannot due to very low movement speed and/or high damage to the target, so they'll probably end up very close without significant advantages over each other.
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Heartbeam

Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2009, 02:36:25 PM »
Off-topic:

So campaigning in Dungeon Keeper II went well for a bit.  It crashed only once but soon picked up on the 13th mission, which I assumed was due to the constant conflicts across the map.  It didn't get any better on the following less battle-intensive mission, and by the 15th mission I was unable to so much as bring up the menu to save without it crashing.  That was enough to prompt me to try and fix the problem, of which one of the attempted solutions was putting Win98 on a roommate's no longer used Dell Inspiron 1501.  I don't think that laptop was built to be downgraded.

Anyway, finally tried Virtual PC and it worked wonderfully.  Happy end, but interest in the game dropped after completing the 20th and final mission.  No will to play through My Pet Dungeon or skirmish games, but multiplayer isn't out of the question.  Contemplating the completion of another unmodded Morrowind before jumping into all the exciting extras.  Before that perhaps I should give Heroes V another go.  I doubt it'll captivate me as much as Heroes III did, which I can't find the original CD for. 

Easy - Sanae B
Heartbeam - 1,488,788,480 - C - 0.140% - Replay

Now I'm bad at this game again, and there's no better way to remedy the problem than by playing the braindead Easy mode.

moozooh, I couldn't quite understand your instructions for skipping the blue UFO in stage four.  Starting from the 'proceed as usual' you're stuck with a leftover UFO token and two more to be dropped by the yin-yang orbs.  The only other way I see is following the beginning stage four flashing token until it is ready to be picked up and collection of the UFOs from the aforementioned yin-yang orbs can commence, much like Reprise did in stage two with prolonging the UFO token's escape.  That's probably what you were saying, but if I'm wrong then I'd to see clarified instructions if possible.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2009, 06:02:34 PM by Heartbeam »

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2009, 02:49:17 PM »
This game needs more scores. Not everything needs to be a awesome scorerun!  :)


Normal - Reimu A
NeoSere - 156,571,280 - C - 0.160% - Replay

Normal - Reimu B
NeoSere - 196,122,440 - C - 0.140% - Replay

Normal - Marisa A
NeoSere - 184,806,100 - C - 0.110% - Replay

Normal - Marisa B
NeoSere - 166,939,270 - C - 0.160% - Replay

Why must your bomb suck so much, M'isaB?

Normal - Sanae A
NeoSere - 223,083,110 - C - 0.160% - Replay

Normal - Sanae B
NeoSere - 190,015,730 - C - 0.140% - Replay

And then for the Extra Clears. For some reason, replays.gensokyo.org lists a lot of Extra Clears as failed. Huh...

Extra - Reimu A
NeoSere - 226,051,670 - C - 0.120% - Replay

Extra - Reimu B
NeoSere - 178,463,670 - C - 0.110% - Replay

Extra - Marisa A
NeoSere - 248,208,870 - C - 0.130% - Replay

Extra - Marisa B
NeoSere - 146,037,410 - C - 0.150% - Replay

Extra - Sanae A
NeoSere - 172,348,750 - C - 0.110% - Replay

Extra - Sanae B
NeoSere - 155,522,600- C - 0.150% - Replay
I must get a better score with SanaeB sometime in the future.

Wow, that took awhile to upload and type. Nearly an hour, I think. Shoulda just stuck to uploading Reimu&MarisaA Extra like I originally planned.
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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2009, 03:51:52 PM »
I think I got everything
Regarding score threads: For the time being, I'm not going to be online much; I would suggest that you simply do as you normally do, because I will come back and I will want those threads when I do.

Heartbeam

Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2009, 06:13:24 PM »
Normal - Reimu A
Heartbeam - 270,146,480 - C - 0.150% - Replay

Extra - Sanae B
Heartbeam - 476,584,530 - C - 0.080% - Replay

Extra - Reimu A
Heartbeam - 403,362,160 - C - 0.120% - Replay

Stage portion was a bit of a flop but both battles are perfect!
« Last Edit: September 07, 2009, 07:50:47 PM by Heartbeam »

Garlyle

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2009, 01:28:39 PM »
Extra - MarisaA
Garlyle - 221,127,200 - C - 1.100% - Replay

Serela

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2009, 11:57:01 PM »
Easy - Reimu B
NeoSere - 464,109,100 - C - 0.030% - Replay

For a lazy and stupid attempt at scorerunning, this went fairly well. Fantasy Seal annoyingly killed my Blue UFO at the end of Stage 5 before it collected point items, but that was completely my fault, aaah...

I was only really meaning to clear off the Easy 1ccs anyway. 1 "Clear, OK!" stamp left!

Extra - Sanae B
NeoSere - 236,937,580 - C - 0.110% - Replay

Much better run of Extra with SanaeB to replace that really crappy other score of mine.

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Garlyle

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2009, 04:13:15 AM »
Went for 1cc to see english ending.  Beat old score notably.

Normal - MarisaA
Garlyle - 235,431,990 - C - 0.360% - Replay

Zetzumarshen

Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2009, 07:45:52 AM »

Lunatic - Reimu B
.ASP - 559,341,220 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Garlyle

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2009, 01:58:55 PM »
Heartbeam, I wanted to grab your Marisa A Easy high score replay, but I couldn't.  Because the file name has a '?' in it, it can't be downloaded.  Or something.  D:

Also, I'm saying this 'cause I really wanna watch it - the others so far have been unbelievable (And now I understand how to score run -right-)
« Last Edit: September 14, 2009, 02:32:47 PM by Garlyle »

Heartbeam

Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2009, 03:27:35 PM »
Oh, how strange.  No matter, the UFO route on that run is a bit outdated now.  You may as well frequent http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/High_Scores for CUTTING EDGE content!  Reprise's grazing technique for endstage Ichirin's second noncard is incredible.  Check the players on the wiki, follow their blogs.  Follow LYX's posts here.  And here, watch for new stuff.

By the way...

Lunatic - Reimu B
.ASP - 559,341,220 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Incredible work!  Loved your little bullet cancellation touch at the end of Shou's second noncard.

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2009, 04:52:53 PM »

Lunatic - Reimu B
.ASP - 559,341,220 - C - 0.0% - Replay

That was a truly amazing replay!

I felt very anxious watching your 6th stage.

Congratulations :D
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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2009, 09:16:01 PM »
Easy - Sanae B
Dodgeball - 843,645,010 - C - Replay


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For lunatic players, here is a video worth watching. Very nice trick with one of Shou's noncard. I havent seen anyone else using this trick. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSJCLIQvMSU

Heartbeam

Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2009, 01:50:35 AM »
To keep from empty posts, a screw around run, totally worth the effort to type up and stick to the board.

Normal - Reimu B
Heartbeam - 738,458,390 - C - 0.200% - Replay

Final spell is easier on Hard?  Not just a firepower issue.

Anyway, I'm positive Hawk has also discovered that little workaround but not as early as this player did.  I envy those reading skills but after watching the other videos some performances look a little too good to be true.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2009, 01:54:14 AM by Heartbeam »

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2009, 02:11:42 AM »
Preventing an empty post.

Extra - Reimu B
BaitySM - 233,713,990 - X - 0.0% - Replay

I'll be back to finish it when I'm done messing around with Lunatic.

Done

The blindzone in Syou's last non-spell has been well known for a while. I didn't use it because the last non-spell was easy enough as it is. I ended up discovering it on the 24th (GMT+10 btw) through a replay at royalflare. Only a few days later.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2009, 06:58:51 AM by BaityMS »
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Hawk

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2009, 02:39:28 AM »
Yeah, I found it on the 25th.

What astounds me is that, of all the Easy score runs I've seen, no one has ever grazed Murasa's noncards in the way I've found.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=4847

I suck at execution, but the idea's there.  Also, it's funny to look at Murasa's animations compared to my own movements for the first noncard.

Heartbeam

Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2009, 02:55:30 AM »
Posts without content for the scoreboard rather, I can't English good.

Extra - Reimu B
Heartbeam - 316,776,690 - C - 0.160% - Replay

Good Extra practice Sanae B does not make.

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=4847

Aww, I should have known it wouldn't be as straightforward and volatile as sweeping in front of the attack.

Hawk

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2009, 03:06:40 AM »
Yeah, I'm 100% sure there must be a way to do the last noncard.  I just haven't been able to find it yet.

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #53 on: September 15, 2009, 07:18:36 PM »
Replay
I admire your composure. I'm pretty sure I saw at least 5-6 instances where bullets went nearly through your hitbox at an uncomfortable speed, yet you didn't bomb. A shame the cool worn off during the Byakuren fight. :(

Also, nice grazing trick, Hawk. I'm sure it will be found and used eventually. So far there are only three players scorerunning Easy seriously enough to use it. Same with my UFO route improvements for stages 3 and 4, the Shou safespot, and other things.
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Zetzumarshen

Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #54 on: September 15, 2009, 09:00:57 PM »
Thank you for all of your support and appreciation ;_;

doing Reimu A now...

...

Lunatic - Reimu A
.ASP - 567,784,830 - C - 0.020% - Replay
« Last Edit: September 15, 2009, 10:08:17 PM by Zetzumarshen »

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2009, 06:57:33 AM »
Extra - Reimu B
BaitySM - 303,717,820 - C - 0.0% - Replay

I haven't watched any "scoring" replays with Reimu B yet, so this is quite good... save for the obvious mistakes. Not sure if you would even call this high-level scoring, considering the current WR and all.

Now to work on filling up those Lunatic fields~
« Last Edit: September 16, 2009, 07:01:52 AM by BaityMS »
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Garlyle

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2009, 02:04:35 PM »
So, err, you never realise how hard it is to score high till you legitimately try.

Easy - MarisaA
Garlyle - 565,129,010 - C - 0.2% - Replay

I botch a couple parts and clearly my memorization of the UFO route gets worse and worse the farther we go.  Final UFO value of 54,000

Made because I'm a Marisa-lAser fanboy and Heartbeam's looked lonely.

Lol at attempt to supergraze Perfect Vajra (But I succeed briefly!)
« Last Edit: September 16, 2009, 02:06:13 PM by Garlyle »

Heartbeam

Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2009, 02:23:30 PM »
Contributing my own terrible clear thanks to all the high spirits going around.  More new faces, come on!

Lunatic - Sanae B
Heartbeam - 343,514,060 - C - 0.150% - Replay

Not such a headache, three hours last night and one hour today.  But I have to give credit to every other player who cleared Lunatic before.

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2009, 09:06:47 PM »
Easy - Sanae B
Dodgeball - 1,048,702,250 - C - 0.210% - Replay

I joined the 1 billion club! It took a long time, but I have done it. 

Polttopallo

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Re: 東方星蓮船 ~ Undefined Fantastic Object
« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2009, 03:08:49 PM »
Normal - Sanae B
Dodgeball - 509,321,320 - 5 - 0.220% - Replay

It was a promising run, but then something went wrong... game over!  :'(