Yay competition! I was getting bored doing cookie clicker too.
Fore the sake of sanity will I leave the role implication out for the moment and only look at Ninjas content.
So you are going to ignore your scumbuddies futzed up claim and backtrack on things? That's so absolutely helpful and not wasting more time diverting attention from the currently super condemning edvidence that is impossible claims. Moreover, my claim logic is easy. Its just outright unreasonable and insane for CF7 to be town doublevoter, that's it.
This is a clear attempt on the justification of the likely results of Dorians wall, diverting attention from cf7 and dump it on me. Remember this bit as you read through my post.
First point, his scum picks:
Aside from RVS and his short dispute with Conq was his first suspect Cheez and that for the better part of day one until ?this point?. What I find interesting about this post is that the only thing he said about Cheez here is: ?cheez has been disappearing forever already, I do not understand.? which by all means doesn't sounds like a change of mind but he dropped him entirely in favor of his new scum team ?oarfish/shadoweh/dormio? two supposed lurker and his counter wagon at said time, which strikes me as quite opportunistic.
I don't heed the big problem with lynching the lurkers, for I have always advocated for the death of null reads who are impeding us. Besides, that is when oarfish claimed nothing, dormio was still lurking and incriminating as ever and shadoweh a lurker also. You dislike it being bad in hindsight because its in HINDSIGHT. The bit about Cheez is both due to his lurk and waffling, that he never had a clear stance. I didn't call him scum outright because I gave him the credit of doubt and that I lacked any condemning edvidence at that time. Therefore I dropped him, and advocated for the lynching of lurkers, problem?
Even his later post ?here? doesn?t explains the sudden drop in priority nor does it actually sounds like he dropped his suspicion on Cheez at all. No, he even goes that far and questioned his own current vote with: ?... I realized the likeliness that if cheez is scum from such, then dormio must be town. ? I'll come back to this at a later point.
Eh.....Maybe you should read up on implications. There is much that can be deferred from tone, style and generally how a person speaks. Since I am typing out everything without any proofreading nor trimming, it should be incredibly easy to track my behavior. Just saying ''one post doesn't prove everything'' doesn't come to ''therefore the rest of the posts are wrong'' conclusion.
You extracting that bit of the thread is helpful, but anybody who are gonna click into his links pray read the stuff before and after the posts. I personally didn't click into them yet because I am pretty confident in the approximate phenomena Dorian is referring to, which is that I didn't explain me dropping cheez, and its wrong to point at me being scum. For firstly, at that point I had little material to truly push so hard for a lynch where there's many more incriminating scummy slots like dorian's and cf7's. Secondly, I gave cheez the credit of doubt as I mentioned earlier. This section of your biased follow up at picking flaws in my logic is therefore untrue.
In his ?next post? he said that he's ?still absolutely okay with lynching oarfish, serela, nnr, shadoweh or dan so saying.? mostly on a LAL policy but he still ?advocating the lynch on dormio because I feel that its the only possible option for a lynch given the tight deadline and the existing wagons.? I can say that is alone is already a questionable wide field of suspicion as it is but apparently not enough for him, cause he adds SP and CF7 to his list at the end of day one.
Now take his day two picks where he started with CF7 just to flip flop on SK Conq and ended up voting me, a lurker slot that he barely even mentioned all game, over one of his supposed scum picks. And you will agree with me that this is a inconsistent and incoherent mess.
So the big idea in this bit is that everything I did was an inconsistent and incoherent mess before I latched onto the correct scums.
Hoho, very funny.
Basically, I don't see what's wrong with correcting wrong opinions, which is such a big deal you make out of over the span of your wall and is the biggest accusation you toss at me. Moreso when you haven't even bothered to read up my existent responses to actually most, if not all of the arguments posted here. The lynch and subsequent hammer on dormio was explained at least thrice due to unconfirmed alignement of people on his wagon, the inherent scumminess of dormio, my incapability of posting and that i got voteparked.
Oh, and that bit about me flip flopping on cf7 and subsequent conq is due to my tiredness, which has again been explained by myself personally at least twice. When conq questioned me on why did I turn so sharply from him to cf7 and the other of which I couldn't recall clearly. But you must pardon me for my slack for I truly view responding to your not really well thought out arguments as irrelevant. For we already have overwhelming edvidence on reliable sources of information, instead of all your jumbled jargon of assumptions which also have shown over and over that when said assumptions are being made, did not reference to any of my previous arguments and is therefore very boring to rebutt against for your (Dorian's) assumptions and arguments are but old stuff which I have talked about already but he was too lazy himself to check and factor them out.
But where are we at? Excuse me, at why me flipping out at cf7 and conq. Why sir, I believe it will do you some good to read up on my recent posts, and then you shall certainly see my stance and justification for so. Firstly, I never dropped my case on CF7. I merely was confronting conq due to the proposed 1v1 between me and him sourced to roleshens (which is something that you, Dorian, ignored completely in regards for your sanity). And I personally dropped it later and providing an explaination, which is that during our argument I realized I could've been roleblocked and the intital reason for a 1v1 to be taking place: conq and DNA's nightaction claims are impossible to happen together if they are alone, being false and therefore the subsequent debate has no need to resume. This is also further proven by oarfish's claim of that shadoweh visiting conq during the night and possibly interfering with either of our results.
But since you need to forsake everything about roleshens in regards for your sanity, I am sorry I have brought this up in the first place. You know, so like you have lost your sanity that is sanity sanity something?
Sorry for being scarastic but I believe that its well worth the mockery for role interactions are an intergral part of mafia argument.
Second point, lining up mislynches:
The above mentioned line about Cheez and Dormio is only one of three attempts to setup false dichotomys, the other two are ?here? and ?here?. What made him think that Cheez waffling has any compelling implications on Dormios alignment? And when he really saw an implication, then why haven't he considered the possibility of town Dormio a bit more? No, he rather went into the next one: ?IF dormio flips town CF7 is confscum? and that's because: ? CF7 for one is a sore thumb for stating both lynches are delicious and then tryharding plopping his vote on dormio, my instincts are screaming that he's scum looking to save paladin's ass? and ?If Dorm flips town sky is scum, if sky flips town dorm is scum, not that sure on the latter, but the former is almost most certainly true.? and if both flip town then CF7 is apparently scum nevertheless cause that's the vote you started the day with.
Sincerely, if that wasn't meant to paint someone red in case the other flips fist then I have no idea what it meant at all.
Sincerely, I also have no idea if you ignoring my later apology and explaination of that I was incapable of posting well formulated responses in the face of the greatly disunadvantageous situation to me D1 and to properly acknowledge the situation I was in at that point to accept that the hammer is justified ages ago....Well, I have a question, is your sanity that important? Because right now I am losing mine. For that you are telling us to ignore every response and role interaction in lieu of trusting your crackpot theories, I am sorry, but I cannot oblige.
And finally the third point, his over defensive position:
I already pointed out how disconnected his suspicions are from a town perspective, now lets try to reconnect them in a scum perspective. First, it's a interesting fact that he dropped Cheez just at the time when said one voted Dormio, the same goes for the sudden suspicions on Oarfish and Shadoweh. I already said what I think about his Dormio vote and his end of day vote pattern is nothing less than cheerful notme over me wagon hopping.
Ninjas first vote this day may be the only halfway consistent thing he had done all game if he wouldn't have dropped supposed ?confirmed scum? to entertain us with excessive ITP panic which he then also dropped to sheep exactly the one he supposed as SK before.
Conclusion: my vote stays where it is.
PS: that was torture and I somehow got the feeling that I was cut by something even more disturbing but I'm in for a drink anyway.^^;;
PPS: Good, at least it wasn't a hammer and to make sure that it stays that way ##: Unvote
OMG its finally about over.
There are two things I would like to address in this third point.
One, him saying we should look at everything DNA did as scum, AKA through biasedness, so that his stuff can make sense
Two, him saying me pursuing on CF7 and Cheez are the same as Conq.
Now, first things first, YOU, DORIANO, are the one ignoring EVERY SINGLE ROLE INTERACTION AND MY RESPONSES, YOU, DORIANO, are ALSO the one FORCING YOUR ARGUMENTS TO MAKE SENSE BY TELLING US TO IGNORE SAID ROLE INTERACTION AND RESPONSES. And finally, YOU , DORIANO, are THE ONE AND ONLY GUY SAYING WE SHOULD IGNORE EVERY SINGLE ROLESPEC IN A LIKELY ROLEMADNESS SETUP
Excuse me but my patience is wearing thin.
what the fuck is that point about ignoring roleshens for sanity, you are completely abusing that and your ignorance in my responses to force rubbish on me.
Second point says that CF7 and Cheez case are same as me pursuing conq. What the hell? Conq case was a thing because as I have mentioned alot-of-times already, I was working on a wrong assumption. I wasn't intentional on making this wrong assumption. And I corrected and explained my mistake. Again and again. While you ignored all those times I responded to the conflict between me and conq, again and again. You aren't ignoring only roleshens, but also my defenses, so that your arguments can make sense. Seriously, what the hell
CF7 and Cheez claimed. This is role interaction, this role interaction involves 3 pages from roughly page 19 to page 21 so read it yourself.
Fuck this is stupid bullshit
Althought I must give you cred for making something okay out of the shit position you are in Doriano
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