The iDOLM@STER Mafia Thread 1 (Locked)

[Conqueror]

I'm going to go ahead and claim my conditional so Vhaltz can go nuts with his setup speculation. B)

rest assured that even if we no lynch im activist enough to get the job done

I'm an activist vigilante, I get a shot every time we no lynch. It's part of why I thought Raikaria could have been a mafia doc. My ITP wincon is tangentially related to this.

The reason I'm bringing this up is to show that my vig and BT's vig are never going to activate together since they directly work against each other (not to mention the difficulty in getting people to no lynch in the first place). It's why I'm not concerned about the possibility of BT's and Serela's vigs because I'm guessing they'll all pretty hard to activate in the first place.

But yeah, Vhaltz, if you think I'm fakeclaiming my role, then let's no lynch and I'll fire my load. I don't even care about rbs/bps at this point. If I fail, lynch me. And if you think I'm a mafia activist vig (which would swing the balance even more in favour of scum each time there was a no-lynch) then LOL.

[Conqueror]

I will say that my alt wincon is pretty much impossible to activate under normal circumstances so I've been mostly ignoring it.

Seriously, captain planet wincon easiest thing ever. I would have blasted off page 1 and then lazed about like an innocent child for the rest of the game. ez.

[Serela]

Conq is pretty town without considering role shenanigans so I'm pretty sure we don't need to test whether his kill actually works!

[Vhaltz]

Okay fine Conq, I'll try to take off my "Conq is scum" glasses and read through everything again impartially tomorrow.

There's something important I do want to point out before getting dinner and bed regardless of your alignment though, it's that I double checked NNR and I'm certain he isn't scum now.

His reread of Validon wasn't randomly generated for towncred because it was a personal issue. He had promised the reread and I called him out for it, he reread Validon and posted about it immediately after he picked himself up from the kick in the nuts to the ego and asked me specifically see what I thought about it because I was the one to deliver the kick in the first place. I'm convinced this is something one would not fake because it wouldn't be expected to be used as a towntell in the first place.

Don't lynch him, that's all.

[WHMZakeri]

zakeri you realize I -outright claimed having a ITP win- before Darkie did his cop thing, right?

It's not a matter of planning it in advance, I literally claimed it >_>

I'm not sure why you're taking an argumentative tone to this, since that's serving as the only reason why I still think you have a chance of being town.
I was mostly looking over your day one, so sorry I missed the actual claim, but it still supports what I've been trying to say.

Thanks for completely brushing off my other reads, Conqueror. I suppose I should be thankful that I'm no longer worse than the person who has literally done nothing and will probably continue to do so for the rest of the game (Dan), unless I still am I guess.

coasting on a cop claim without any other commentary

coasting by hopping onto the shadoweh wagon with weak reasoning after waffling on him

iso of a random lurker to show content but this is all dropped now and there's no followup.

I don't see the direct correlation to "Coasting on a cop claim" = "Scum". Even if he did it as scum, we have a bijillion hours in the day left, so there's almost no benefit to coasting like this. It would be valid if it was closer to deadline, but it isn't, even now.

Another point is that you say there's no follow-up on his case of Validon, except for the part you quoted above where he follows up on Validon by saying that Shadoweh was worse (which she totally is vote shadoweh please).
Basically, I'm not buying the case on NNR. Especially if that's your only reasoning for it.

[Serela]

That's why I brought it up Zak

[Conqueror]

Thanks for completely brushing off my other reads, Conqueror. I suppose I should be thankful that I'm no longer worse than the person who has literally done nothing and will probably continue to do so for the rest of the game (Dan), unless I still am I guess.

If I have to actually read your posts to remember your stances on people aside from Shadoweh because I can't remember, then something's wrong. I'm not brushing aside your others reads because aside from the Shadoweh one, they're barebones as can be. Like, you're asking me about Dan now. Do you think Dan is scum?

I don't see the direct correlation to "Coasting on a cop claim" = "Scum". Even if he did it as scum, we have a bijillion hours in the day left, so there's almost no benefit to coasting like this. It would be valid if it was closer to deadline, but it isn't, even now.

Another point is that you say there's no follow-up on his case of Validon, except for the part you quoted above where he follows up on Validon by saying that Shadoweh was worse (which she totally is vote shadoweh please).
Basically, I'm not buying the case on NNR. Especially if that's your only reasoning for it.

This entire response was in response to Vhaltz asking why NNR was "coasting". I wouldn't bring it up as a point in itself. It's part of a larger picture. It's notable though that he doesn't question the claim whatsoever, or take into account Serela's various ITP claims.
A side mention of someone where you vote someone else over them and then completely run for a third party later on, ignoring the first person, is lack of follow-up. He's not trying to get Validon lynched. And why was Shadoweh dropped in the first place? Again, I get cop result blah blah, but ITP claims blah blah as well.

[Conqueror]

His reread of Validon wasn't randomly generated for towncred because it was a personal issue. He had promised the reread and I called him out for it, he reread Validon and posted about it immediately after he picked himself up from the kick in the nuts to the ego and asked me specifically see what I thought about it because I was the one to deliver the kick in the first place. I'm convinced this is something one would not fake because it wouldn't be expected to be used as a towntell in the first place.

I didn't say it was randomly generated for towncred.

Let's say NNR is scum. He promises to reread someone. He doesn't. Someone calls him out for it. What is he going to do? Not reread the person? Of course he's going to do the reread and ask for input on the person who asked him to do the reread especially when the person uses him not rereading as a point in favour of scum!him. It's something he would do as town in this position too. The fact that he did the reread doesn't mean anything. If I wanted to do a "reread" of all the players in the game I could do that one by one and if I wanted I could make scum cases on any of them. That's not the point.

[WHMZakeri]

I'm not sure that not being able to commit everything to memory is a good reason to call people scum though.

And yes, I do think Dan is scum, that should have been implicit back when I first gave my read on him, and the passive aggressive way I described him in the very words you're pointing out, and I'm still sort of bitter that people are vouching for his town cred for no reason and come to think of it, did anyone actually even answer my questions regarding if he did anything in the QT worth keeping alive?

This entire response was in response to Vhaltz asking why NNR was "coasting".

But that's not the problem. The problem is that most of your reasoning for why he's coasting isn't valid, on top of that fact that That is your only listed reason for voting him. He explained that he didn't drop Validon, just found that Shadoweh was scummier and that's not coasting, or even something to be suspicious of. The only valid part is when he turned off his brain and switched to the cop claim, but either alignment can do that.

[Conqueror]

-.- My point is that your views are unmemorable. like shadoweh is partially guilty of this too but you're basically sitting on shadoweh and letting the game flow around you. in Mirai Nikki you were a lot more passionate about your case on Dormio and your defense of Raikaria etc. This game I only get your views on Shadoweh/Dan and a small bit on Validon. Serela is null scum when he comes up. Why are you so limp this game?

I don't normally hold someone switching top scumspects scummy, but look at the post where he switches to Shadoweh for the easiest reasoning ever (and unsubstantiated too; how is Shadoweh showing a completely lack of scumhunting?) Compare that to the stronger case he made on Validon and I'm skeptical about the sincerity of the switch.

The cop sheep is just plain opportunism. Yes, either alignment can do it, but NNR completely ignores the nuances of the claim and the possible interactions with ITPs, which I wouldn't expect town to do. I could understand more if he suspected Serela earlier in the game, but he didn't.

[Shadoweh]

Look at all those words.
##Vote: Zakeri

If Serela had claimed itp after being copped I'd call him scum. He was already a claimed person who would set off the cop, so the amazing revelation that he turned out to have a non-town motive isn't a revelation at all. I don't think he's scum, wanting to do his own captain planet explains the weird motives coming from him.

Guess what my list of who needs to die hasn't changed. I would be less against a NNR lynch then I would the other townies tbh, but I still think Dan and Zak are a better lynching ground, and Validon can get modkilled. Lynching Serela would be okay, but it's not going to be a surprising flip. something something bardiche kill all the itps something. Lynching Conq would be embarrassing.

Why does everyone have a vig except me ._.

[Serela]

Why does everyone have a vig except me ._.

Are you sad you have a truckload of useful powers instead of a vig that you'll probably never be able to activate?

TELL ME SHADOWEH >:C

[WHMZakeri]

For the Record, Conqueror, I don't think you are scum so much as just getting really frusterated.
Granted that's ignoring that you're also claiming semi-ITP but dammit, there can't be more than four people we need to lynch so I'm just ignoring those claims forever.

cut: I fail to see how the point for not scumhunting is "unsubstantial" considering he made the vote before Shadoweh even saw fit to call anyone besides Raikaria scum. It's also self-defeating that you're admitting Shadoweh has no scumhunting presence, even after her opinion post.
Even if you have dissenting opinions about how strong each of NNR's cases are, that doesn't change which he thought was more important to go after.

I will concede the the follow-the-cop point for now but that alone doesn't convince me of scum intent.

[Sky_Paladin]

I kept an eye on the thread but I avoided posted anything after yesterday's meltdown.  I was too shaky to make any kind of useful contributions. 

I don't have any solo win condition.  It seems several other people do.  Therefore I considered to myself, I wonder if there are actually any scum in this game?  Perhaps the 'scums' are actually the specialist townies. 

I think that if the Cop returned 'scum' for Serela, that means he's scum.  But DarkNinja didn't say that.  He just said 'returned positive'.  Maybe that is the language used in this forum to mean 'found a scum <3' but for some reason it really bothers me.  'Positive' only indicates a result.  I want to know the question. 

DarkNinja, could you please tell us what was being tested that returned a positive result?

[Serela]

SkyPaladin, we've already have "town with an ITP condition" die and have their rolepm flipped. TWICE, even, albiet the second one wasn't a death.

It's pretty much impossible they are the scum in any capacity. Although I guess I wouldn't put it past PX for a scum to have a ITP win condition, but I highly doubt Conq is scum and I know I'm not.

Also, Darkninja's claim states he tests for any kind of non-town motivations. I didn't return a guilty for scumminess, I returned a positive for non-town motivation because I have an ITP win condition (in addition to my town one) And no, that's not the standard language used; this is a very gimmicky setup and normally cops are just "guilty or not guilty for being scum", darkninja isn't a normal cop at all.

[Serela]

Anyway now that I reread Darkie's claim post I see he has a vendetta against Conq and I have no idea why apart from "conq argued vhaltz was scum"

[WHMZakeri]

This is probably the worse game to get started playing in.
Barring an outright bastard mod, or the one's we vow to never talk about.

[PX]

Polaris replaces in for Validon

[Serela]

POLLY <3

[Polaris]

Sup B)

I should warn you guys that I am not a Super High-School Level Detective regardless of what any surrounding imagery might have you believe

I only skimmed the thread so I can't give you totally informed opinions, plus I still have homework, but whatever.

Let's start off with super-skimming not-scum reads. P.sure everyone agrees Sky Paladin is town unless there is a hilarious plot twist about to happen (and honestly, Vhaltz's ascension into Rie Kugimiya was plot twisty enough). Serela is not scum as far as I can tell, just off gut (although he's totally ITP am I right). Conq seems pretty townish but is totally not stylish so I like to pretend I'm biased against him. darkninja is prob. town too.

as a result we have CF7/IHNN, Shadoweh, NNR, ActionDan, Serious Bananas, and Zakeri. Disregarding Shadoweh because she has lots of style points and Bananas because he phased out of this plane of existence until further notice, I will look closely at the remaining people I have not crossed off.

Not making a vote without a proper read but those are my future plans for now.

If anyone wants me to look at a person that is already crossed off, you should tell me and maybe provide evidence or something and then I'll look at them too.

[Polaris]

as for why I am disregarding shadoweh for style points, that is because if we lynch Shadoweh I feel the game will be a lot more boring. As the Romans say, variety is the spice of life, in which Shadoweh is the variety and mafia is life as we know it.

plus I bet Shadoweh plans on being loud and obnoxious and she's done a lot of things that she will have to take responsibility for which seems very anti-scum to me. I didn't immediately clear her as town because Shadoweh but technically she's on my skimmed town reads I suppose.

don't get the wrong idea ok? it's not because i like shadoweh or anything.

[Polaris]

Wow too bad that nobody's on to post except Serela.

I wanted to at least see you guys chat idly while I went about my business before getting to the horribly low-priority mafia but I guess that's not going to happen ):

[Sky_Paladin]

Sorry   Everything I've done so far has been wrong.  I even wanted to lynch Shadoweh!  But your argument of 'hey if Shadoweh is scum we shouldn't lynch her because it's more interesting for her to be alive' is kind of, well...special.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

i havent read this thread and dont really plan to but i recall seeing some of shadoweh's posts and they looked like mafia posts so ##Vote: Shadoweh

[PX]

huhwhat replaces Serious Bananas

[Serela]

Oh wow we got HW and Polly in one go!

...oh, I should probably actually reread soon considering I have 3 hours before I should sleep.

[Serela]

i havent read this thread and dont really plan to but i recall seeing some of shadoweh's posts and they looked like mafia posts so ##Vote: Shadoweh

HW considering what just occured with ActionDan last night please don't make me cry.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

other stuff i remember from when i was skimming:
zak is obvtown
conq is obvtown
dan is PROBABLY SCUM??

but i'm not up to date on everybody's alt wincons and whatever. i haven't even read the last few pages

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

oh did dan break out some bullshit claim and clear all my scumreads or something

[Serela]

No I meant more that it's basically what actiondan did except he wasn't kidding (until conq yelled at him more and Dan eventually said he'd skimmed some, and then eventually said he'd look at a few people tomorrow (today) )