Author Topic: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character  (Read 63267 times)

Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2013, 01:34:41 PM »
Lunatic - MarisaB
ARF - 274,818,540 - C - 0.0% - Replay

If I equaled all my stage bests in one run and captured two of Kagerou's spells I'd end up in the 295-300m range. I wouldn't be surprised to see a better player than me achieve ~350m scores here though.

Hard - MarisaB
ARF - 213,038,190 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Normal - MarisaB
ARF - 169,181,770 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Easy - MarisaB
ARF - 141,303,740 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Normal - ReimuA
ARF - 147,873,220 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Easy - MarisaA
ARF - 127,234,700 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Update, these are all first place over at royalflare at the moment of posting.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2013, 08:06:45 PM by ARF »
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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2013, 05:20:59 PM »
I enjoy playing pad maid.... please let those things be pads. Anyhow, ehmm.. scores!

Hard - SakuyaA
Zengeku - 138,334,490 - C - 0.00% - http://score.royalflare.net/th14/replay14/th14_ud0065.rpy

Really kuso performance on Kagerou. She raped me long and hard and I was powerless to resist. Poor me. Will make comeback later probably.

Normal - SakuyaA
Zengeku - 143,007,020 - C - 0.00% - http://score.royalflare.net/th14/replay14/th14_ud0068.rpy

I think this run turned out alright, captured all the spells and employed some bombs to raise PiV. Fucked it up a bit but eh, it was my first time and I did something dumb.

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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2013, 09:22:36 PM »
Easy - SakuyaB
Karisa - 180,849,790 - C - 0.0% - Replay


(archiving now-deleted Royalflare comment) Bombing to stop time to graze lasers for longer? Now I've seen everything.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2013, 04:20:34 AM by Karisa »

Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2013, 09:56:02 PM »
Easy - SakuyaB
Karisa - 180,849,790 - C - 0.0% - Replay
Damn, that's nice.  Wondering how high you can take the PIV in the trial... Maybe 90-92k or so?  Supposedly easy caps at 100k, and you've already got it at 80k by the end of stage 3.  Hopefully ZUN does something about that or the later stages might end up being a bit dull when the full game comes out.  At least for SakuyaB anyway.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2013, 10:03:00 PM by ♥♥♥東方Hugger♥♥♥ »

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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2013, 09:58:07 PM »
Damn, that's nice.  Wondering how high you can take the PIV in the trial... Maybe 85k or so?  Supposedly easy caps at 100k, and you've already got it at 80k by the end of stage 3.  Hopefully ZUN does something about that or the later stages might end up being a bit dull when the full game comes out.  At least for SakuyaB anyway.

You can max out PIV on TD before Stage 3 even ends, he probably wont change much. :V

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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2013, 02:45:29 AM »
Wondering how high you can take the PIV in the trial... Maybe 90-92k or so?
Well, sxh's 177m (currently second place at Royalflare) gains an additional ~3000 PIV by saving the bomb I used in late stage 2 for use on Sekibanki's nonspell, so that's one improvement. I wasn't that consistent at getting both x2.0 collections (those life parts are important for suicides) myself without bombing.

A PIV run would also spend the remaining bombs on Kagerou (her 2nd spell seems promising), rather than staying at 4 power and capturing everything.

Edit: I think the inconsistency on stage 2 was on Normal, not Easy. I tried not bombing, and succeeded in getting both x2.0s 6/6 or so times.

Easy - SakuyaB
Karisa - 187,494,690 - C - 0.0% - Replay


Easy - SakuyaB
Karisa - 192,519,430 - C - 0.0% - Replay


Now with even more Sekibanki bombs, finishing stage 2 with 0/0 and 7 bomb parts. I only had 3 power for Kagerou though, so that should be improvable.

Normal - SakuyaB
Karisa - 228,216,540 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Applying my latest Easy route to Normal. 2 unintentional deaths, one right after midboss Kagerou (with no bombs remaining, but it let some items drop) and one to boss Kagerou's 2nd nonspell (what?). At least I didn't fail Kagerou's 2nd spell yet again this time. Finished with 110,560 PIV.

Time-stop grazing Sekibanki's 2nd probably gives even more ridiculous PIV increase on higher difficulties with all those lasers around. Someone should try it.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2013, 11:22:06 PM by Karisa »

Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2013, 08:08:50 PM »
Lunatic - MarisaB
ARF - 284,836,840 - C - 0.0% - Replay (desyncs)

ARF - 280,035,390 - C - 0.0% - Replay (hopefully working)

300m isn't that far off.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2013, 02:06:38 AM by ARF »
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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2013, 09:21:24 PM »
Lunatic - MarisaB
ARF - 284,836,840 - C - 0.0% - Replay
This replay desyncs badly for me. Only stage 2 is fully watchable; repeated deaths start during the stage 1 and 3 bosses.

Were you doing anything differently this time? I haven't had desync issues with any other replays I've watched, including several of your previous MarisaB scores.

Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2013, 09:41:37 PM »
This replay desyncs badly for me. Only stage 2 is fully watchable; repeated deaths start during the stage 1 and 3 bosses.

Were you doing anything differently this time? I haven't had desync issues with any other replays I've watched, including several of your previous MarisaB scores.

It desyncs for me too. The only thing out of the ordinary that happened was the tilted option glitch, I'm guessing it causes the replay to desync. I captured stage 1 boss spell and Kagerou's first spell, failed the rest of Kagerou's spells, got pretty average cancels during the nons. Don't think I got the 2.0 bonus from her last spell either.

-edit-

The laser glitch happened for me again, right before the stage 1 boss, this time the replay didn't desync either, and the glitch shows up in the replay. Okay, I'm not sure why it desyncs anymore.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2013, 10:16:12 PM by ARF »
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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2013, 10:54:10 PM »
Yes!

Easy - SakuyaB
Karisa - 201,490,420 - C - 0.0% - Replay - Screenshot

I seriously don't know why this is a 9m improvement though. I was expecting 195m or so.

Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2013, 10:58:13 PM »
Congrats on 200m easy, going to watch it. Well, the route looks pretty solid, maybe getting higher collection bonuses in stage 3 could increase it by a few more millions, and ending Kagerou's spellcards quicker, but it's mostly minor optimizations I guess. Neat!

Also I can now confirm that the laser glitch does desync replays. Annoying to have to restart over something like that though but w/e.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2013, 11:25:20 PM by ARF »
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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2013, 12:00:57 AM »
I think my stage 2 route has a bit of room for improvement actually. Stage 3 is basically self-sustaining on Easy, so I could afford to go for a few higher bonuses in stage 2 rather than maximizing the number of bomb parts.

Also I wonder if Sekibanki's 1st has a potential supergraze involving circling around the head. I've tried it and it didn't seem worth enough to compensate for the spell bonus, but perhaps it could have been better.

And yes, SakuyaB at 4 power should be able to end Kagerou's 3rd earlier, at the very least.

Edit:
I'm now using a new stage 2 route that skips a few bomb parts (for a 1.2 collection at the start, 1.6 collection after the midboss), resulting in just enough to gain a bomb when needed on stage 3. It's helped me reach 200m twice more, but I haven't been able to replicate my stage 3 performance from the 201m yet.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2013, 02:23:51 AM by Karisa »

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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2013, 01:27:34 AM »
Damn 200mil, I can only get 100mil.

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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2013, 09:08:42 AM »
This replay desyncs badly for me. Only stage 2 is fully watchable; repeated deaths start during the stage 1 and 3 bosses.

Were you doing anything differently this time? I haven't had desync issues with any other replays I've watched, including several of your previous MarisaB scores.
OK, this is confusing. I re-watched that replay (accidentally, intending to select your redone replay), and stage 1 synced. Then it desynced on Sekibanki's final. I retried it from stage 2 and it played through to the end, including stage 3.

So I guess that replay actually works, just not consistently. And the desyncs only seem to occur during the bosses, not the stage portions.

Normal - ReimuA
Karisa - 154,137,220 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Hard - SakuyaB
Karisa - 207,329,810 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Lots of mistakes, but I broke 200m on Hard, without using MarisaB-roken XIV (as I've decided to call her).
« Last Edit: June 02, 2013, 09:34:07 AM by Karisa »

Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2013, 02:40:56 PM »
Lunatic - MarisaB

ARF - 297,821,640 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Simply epic superplay on Kagerou.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2013, 07:34:21 PM by ARF »
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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2013, 03:21:43 PM »
Easy - SakuyaA
S-TORA - 131,688,160 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Easy to beat if you milk more PIV than I did in Stage 2.

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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2013, 03:26:15 PM »
Update checkpoint.
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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2013, 03:35:06 PM »
Lunatic - MarisaB

ARF - 297,821,640 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Simply epic superplay on Kagerou.
The replay goes 100% SA at Kagerou's fight. Game Over at the first spellcard.

Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2013, 03:39:30 PM »
The replay goes 100% SA at Kagerou's fight. Game Over at the first spellcard.

Try rewatching from stage 2 or something, I watched it all the way before uploading it. Also the comment is meant as a joke as I failed all Kagerou's spells.
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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2013, 07:33:43 PM »
lunatic - SakuyaB
Sakurei - 231,547,090 - C - 0.12% - Replay

the run itself was so so. it has a lot of mistakes and is very unoptimized in several ways. first of all, I didn't PoC well all in all. missed one bonus in the beginning of stage 1, for example. suicided one time less in stage 2 (aside from the deaths to kagerou boss, everything was suiciding). so I didn't use as many bombs as I could have. failed all of kagerous spellcards, so if someone capped all of them, he'd already be over 250m, probably. with some more PiV bombs, more confident PoC and better dodging on kagerou, 300m might be possible. I'm not sure about that atm, but 280 at the very least is 100% doable. for players better than me, anyway.

Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2013, 07:47:28 PM »
Lunatic - MarisaB

ARF - 304,323,170 - C - 0.2% - Replay

I did this while livestreaming in case the replay wouldn't work. Speedkilled Kagerou's second spell, the 297m run had a much better stage 1 and 2.
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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2013, 09:23:37 PM »
Normal - SakuyaA
S-TORA - 147,638,510 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Could've been 150m+, I may come back to this if I'm beaten.

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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2013, 10:57:32 PM »
Lunatic - SakuyaB
/La - 268,284,000 - C - 0.2% - Replay


Derp vs Sekibanki's second spellcard. Kagerou's third is still too hard for me. With better resource management and capturing both of those, I could probably get just over 300m.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2013, 10:46:40 AM by Majildian »

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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2013, 06:07:08 AM »
Normal - SakuyaA
Karisa - 156,717,600 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Somehow failed one of Sekibanki's cards. That's right, on Normal. At least I didn't fail Kagerou's 2nd (which I'm becoming convinced is just really hard for a stage 3 Normal card).

Easy - SakuyaA
Karisa - 135,356,470 - C - 0.0% - Replay


Anyway, SakuyaA has decent potential. A full screen-clear bomb for canceling bullets (though slower than SakuyaB's), can auto-collect twice with a single bomb (or once for 5/8 of a bomb), and that slowdown effect gives her better-than-average spell bonuses. She won't match SakuyaB (or MarisaB-roken) without the ability to bomb-cancel spellcard bullets, but I could see her being one of the better characters for scoring on higher difficulties. It's a bit hard to time bullet cancels with her focused shot though.

Easy - MarisaA
Karisa - 131,934,500 - C - 0.0% - Replay


Normal - MarisaA
Karisa - 161,398,190 - C - 0.0% - Replay

MarisaA is surprisingly effective. The Master Spark (well, Dark Spark) helps a lot with stage auto-collecting, and can actually be used several times on some boss nonspells if you direct it properly.

Normal - SakuyaB
Karisa - 246,852,560 - C - 0.0% - Replay


Almost 100,000 PIV by the end of stage 2 (could have been 100,000 if I wasn't saving three bombs for stage 3). Failed Kagerou's 2nd again.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2013, 07:33:26 AM by Karisa »

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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #54 on: June 05, 2013, 12:35:35 AM »
Easy - SakuyaB
Karisa - 204,716,490 - C - 0.0% - Replay


OK, never mind what I said earlier about skipping some unneeded bomb parts. SJF managed to improve the stage 2 route enough to gain another full bomb for Sekibanki, so that's what I'm doing now.

83,630 PIV after stage 2 (92,440 overall), which is over 2000 more than SJF's 81,440 after stage 2 (90,250 overall)... I guess my stage 3 route must be improvable. Not sure where, though. (Also I missed the quick kill on Kagerou's final, losing out on a bit of spell bonus, but SJF didn't get that either.)

Easy - SakuyaB
Karisa - 205,827,550 - C - 0.0% - Replay


An improvement, but this run didn't feel as good for some reason. Perhaps because the final PIV was lower? I did get a good bonus on Kagerou's final, though.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2013, 09:31:32 PM by Karisa »

Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #55 on: June 05, 2013, 09:07:55 PM »
Lunatic - SakuyaB
/La - 301,024,800 - C - 0.2% - Replay

Yesssss. Still quite a lot of room for improvement though.

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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #56 on: June 07, 2013, 09:59:03 AM »
Normal - SakuyaB
Karisa - 255,443,440 - C - 0.0% - Replay


Now saving only one bomb for stage 3 instead of three. Definitely improvable. For one thing, I forgot to unfocus to reach 4 power for Kagerou's final.

400,000 behind SJF's current record (though the Easy/Normal records are increasing pretty much daily).
« Last Edit: June 22, 2013, 07:32:48 AM by Karisa »

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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #57 on: June 10, 2013, 03:49:20 AM »
Normal - ReimuB
nguyenlc - 91,865,650 - C - 0.2% - Replay (no miss)

An unsuccessful NMNB attempt, which resulted in a lower score compared to other players. Successfully NMNBNF stage 1 and stage 2, but lost 1 bomb at Kagerou's 2nd spell card.  :(

Could someone give me advices how to capture that spell card?  :D
« Last Edit: June 12, 2013, 08:40:38 AM by nguyenlc1993 »
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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #58 on: June 11, 2013, 12:43:48 PM »
An unsuccessful NMNB attempt, which resulted in a lower score compared to other players. Successfully NMNBNF stage 1 and stage 2, but lost 1 bomb at Kagerou's 2nd spell card.  :(

Could someone give me advices how to capture that spell card?  :D
That card is a major pain. Bit too random for me. But I've found that staying too much at the bottom of the screen is a lot more dangerous than diving in just slightly. You need to be able to retreat if necessary, but getting pushed back too much seems to be the ticket to getting walled in there. You'll want to avoid it and go slightly aggressive. At least that's what I did whenever I managed to survive it.

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Re: 東方輝針城 ~ Double Dealing Character
« Reply #59 on: June 14, 2013, 08:05:34 AM »
Easy - ReimuA
Karisa - 133,492,720 - C - 0.0% - Replay


Easy - ReimuB
Karisa - 140,923,050 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Why am I still playing this? Over 30 hours of play time into a 3-stage demo... this is insane...

Easy - SakuyaB
Karisa - 212,012,510 - C - 0.0% - Replay

Experimenting with varying the stage 3 route this time... leading to a 7 million improvement? With an abnormally low PIV (because I forgot this was Easy and saved two bombs on Sekibanki instead of none)? That was unexpected.

The Easy/Normal SakuyaB records seem to have stalled, too, with no improvements since 6-9. I might still have a chance at them after all...
« Last Edit: June 14, 2013, 09:31:16 PM by Karisa »