Stuff you wish to see in fandom more

[game2011]

What are some stuff and scenarios that you have never seen done in the fandom, or very little is seen of it, and you wish to see them more often?  It can range from anything: fan arts, fan fics, fan games, and such.

I like to see:
1. Kaguya's implied super strength being showcased
2. Eirin and Keine having a rival/enemy-like relationship with each other, like with Kaguya and Mokou.
3. Yukari struggling during battles and not being all-powerful and curbstomping her opponents, even going as far as losing really badly.

[haoreos2]

3. Yukari struggling during battles and not being all-powerful and curbstomping her opponents, even going as far as losing really badly.

Interestin', I'd like to see a lot less of this (with any character really, same with the inverse of making a traditionally unimposing character curbstomp the traditional powerhouses). The worf effect is rarely done well.

I'd like to see:
1. Works that fill the vagueness of canon with detail porn
2. Semi-serious thesis-style articles trying to logically justify contradictions in the series
3. Friendly Mokou, sane Flandre, EoSD stage 6 or fighting-game personalities for Remilia
4. Works serving as prologues to the games, especially the Scarlet or Moriya groups, starting before they even decide to go to gensokyo
5. Marisa-Alice-Patchouli studying
6. Yuyuko and Yukari bein' pals
7. Calm and collected or inexperienced gung-ho Youmu
8. PoV pieces
9. References or in-jokes that you might actually miss if you aren't paying attention
10. Meiling with grey pants instead of that legless chinese whatchamacallit getup

[PhantasmStardust]

6. Yuyuko and Yukari bein' pals

Isn't that the norm already? I can't really remember anything with them not being friends or do you mean Yukari not teasing her and whatnot?

Oh and being pretty subtle there.

I'd like to see:
1. Vampire Sakuya (It's constantly referenced in fan-works on this subject and I've only seen one doujin series with this)
2. Sane version of normally portrayed insane characters
3. More works that don't center around the large groups (SDM,Moriya's, PCB YuYukari group and so forth)
4. Less jerk "HAX Sign" Reimu (Sanae too with being a jerk)
5. A mature MariAli relationship (As in Alice not bleeding and slobbering over Marisa constantly)
6. Works that use SoPM for Koishi and Satori centered plots
7. What if? Styled stories
8. Renko and Merry actually in Gensokyo + without Merry being Yukari
9. Time Travel
10. Medicine with Alice stories (does not need to be lovely)

[Hanzo K.]

3. Friendly Mokou, sane Flandre, EoSD stage 6 or fighting-game personalities for Remilia

Mokou's generally portrayed as relatively good-natured, just not too good at expressing herself.
She's like an onion, see? ("She makes you cry?" "Well, yes and no.") She's got layers.

And generally there's at least two breeds of Flan that I've seen often in fanworks. The batshit insane sort, and the sweet and innocent sort with shades of devilishness. The latter is at least some degree of sane, if a bit twisted and ominous at times.

As for Remi, I've grown used to -and see it as the norm for her- the cocky, arrogant, and charismatic portrayals. Like what you see in Imizu's works. It just fits her as a person.

[Araceli Caralyz]

Kasen being an Oni, and even going so far as her being one of the four devas. Because, why not? Being a hermit is like the best way to fix all the "traditional sins" an Oni has, such as excessive drinking and fighting .

For something I'd like to see less of, Patchouli being just a moe-blob. It's cute the first couple of times, but it wears on you after awhile.

[game2011]

Oh, in regard to Yukari losing fights, I actually let that happen in my Smash Bros./Touhou crossover.  I know some other fan works depicting her losing fights, though when compared to her being portrayed as being all-powerful, it's not as commonly seen.

[haoreos2]

Isn't that the norm already? I can't really remember anything with them not being friends or do you mean Yukari not teasing her and whatnot?

Oh, it's the norm, but I'd still like to see more of it. Usually when they interact it's either too brief or something else is going on.

Mokou's generally portrayed as relatively good-natured, just not too good at expressing herself.
As for Remi, I've grown used to -and see it as the norm for her- the cocky, arrogant, and charismatic portrayals. Like what you see in Imizu's works. It just fits her as a person.

Mokou: oh, really? I thought the fandom generally went with the rude loner or kaguya-hating flanderisation depiction. Never got used to those interpretations since she seems so chummy in IN.
Remilia: I actually like pretty much every portrayal of her I've seen, but the demure or aristocratic type is so rarely done I'd like to see a few works using it instead.

[Kaze_Senshi]

5. A mature MariAli relationship (As in Alice not bleeding and slobbering over Marisa constantly)

And about the serious MariAli thing, there is a (sad) musical video about it exploring the fact that Marisa is mortal and Alice isn't, for me is pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-cT2nDslCs

9. Time Travel

Time travel noooooooooooooooooo

[AnonymousPondScum]

-Shiki actually being portrayed as a serious but fair individual instead of the breast-size-obsessed brat that fandom makes her out to be.
-Reisen actually getting respect. Meiling's finally gotten time in the sun, why not Reisen?
-Less stupidly-done yandere Alice. It's such a dumb trait to latch onto in her case, especially since it doesn't have much evidence going for it. And at any rate she's an interesting character and turning her into a dumb mentally-unstable stalker is selling things short, ya know?
-Byakuren just chillin' with the other magicians.
-Hilariously/tragically-awkward Mokou-Kaguya interactions instead of murder-on-sight interactions, since according to the bookies they've chilled out sliiiiightly.
-More postulating what the Myouren crew did in the ooooold days.

[Xeurian]

I'd like to see:
10. Medicine with Alice stories (does not need to be lovely)

Have you read Omoito? It may not be "about" Medicine, but she does play a fairly significant part in the story (being on the cover of one of the 4 manga). Its the one where Alice's Hourai doll is the main character (having gained consciousness, not exactly a spoiler as its the premise).

[Cor]

Omoito is glorious. I cried a bit at the end. Everyone should read it, even if you don't give a crap about doujinshi otherwise.

[PhantasmStardust]

@Kaze Senshi
Yeah that video slipped my mind although the mature MariAli stories (that I've seen atleast) end up centering around Marisa's mortality, in fact it'd be interesting to see the Youkai side of die first before the mortal.

Also why don't you want Time travel?

@Xeurian
Yep I've read it (one of my favorite series' actually it's extremely awesome) it did make me more interested in Medi and so thus I'd want to see more stories centering around her + some with Alice (Oh and Fully Automated Dolls, those became a lot more wanted by me)
Oh and take a guess where my avatar is from

[Messiah]

-Stories where Reimu is a villain (with a good reason for such). As for the heroine/heroines, I wouldn't mind the games' heroines if they don't have the plot armor.
-Shou-Hijiri relationship taking their current canon relationship in account.
-Ran and Mamizou stories where they start with a not-so-good relationship due to their species (but not something like the Kaguya-Mokou "TO THE DEATH" situations) and come to terms in a bromance.

There are more, but I am busy at the moment.

[EthanSilver]

-Stories where Reimu is a villain (with a good reason for such).

I'd think anything written from a youkai perspective would place her as the main villain - technically, that's what she is to most of 'em. ;P

Would love to see more of it too though. Touhou seems to center around the humans' plight most despite Gensokyo being a world by/for youkai. How does Reimu get away with going around indiscriminately exorcising the native (for all intent and purpose) inhabitants of some other world while acting like she's the good guy?

[AnonymousPondScum]

I'd think anything written from a youkai perspective would place her as the main villain - technically, that's what she is to most of 'em. ;P

Would love to see more of it too though. Touhou seems to center around the humans' plight most despite Gensokyo being a world by/for youkai. How does Reimu get away with going around indiscriminately exorcising the native (for all intent and purpose) inhabitants of some other world while acting like she's the good guy?

Because she apparently is at least as harsh on humans and near-humans who get out of line...Or get in her way.

On another note, I'd like to see more Ichirin doing...Something. Anything. :getdown:

Also, Byakuren as a nice-but-conflicted/imperfect person would be an interesting change.

[Error]

If I could actually draw worth a damn I'd try my hand at doing a few of these.
Well, I suppose I could write horrible fanon.

Anyways...
1. Canon Momiji (hates Aya, more serious)
2. A MANtasm stage (horrible pun, please don't)
3. Less MANosuke
4. Remilia, motherly figure
5. Eientei mafia
6. Mamizou shenanigans

[M M]

Canon-like Shou (not airhead)
Lecturing Shikieiki (like in PoFV)

Spoiler:

MokouxEirin (sorry)

Oh, what's/where's Kaguya's "super strength" implied?

[AnonymousPondScum]

Canon-like Shou (not airhead)
Lecturing Shikieiki (like in PoFV)

Spoiler:

MokouxEirin (sorry)

Oh, what's/where's Kaguya's "super strength" implied?

I think the above poster meant much more magically powerful than she lets on, rather than boulder-lifting-type strength.

[M M]

I think the above poster meant much more magically powerful than she lets on, rather than boulder-lifting-type strength.

That's what I mean. Where such thing is implied?

[AnonymousPondScum]

That's what I mean. Where such thing is implied?

Bigger spellcard armory than Remi or Yuyuko, isn't afraid to fight when it's fightin' time, actually is EIRIN'S backup in Final A route in IN, and lastly ZUN was considering putting her in Hisoutensouku but figured she would be overpowered.

That and the Lunarians seem to have a fine tradition of being somewhat slightly overpowered in general. :V

[M M]

Well, her moveset (mechanics wise) was overpowered, not the character. And she's weaker than Eirin, who avoids using her powers out of respect for Kaguya.

I believe she's shown strong enough, Mokou often gets the short end of the stick in drawings and doujin comics. One thing that this discussion reminded me, is that her control over eternity is never showcased (outside of keeping Eientei's history), similar to Remi's over fate.

Anyway, when not the NEET bs, I think the fanon's interpretion of her is pretty awesome

[Kaze_Senshi]

@Kaze Senshi
Yeah that video slipped my mind although the mature MariAli stories (that I've seen atleast) end up centering around Marisa's mortality, in fact it'd be interesting to see the Youkai side of die first before the mortal.

Also why don't you want Time travel?

Well in my opinion if one story was planned from the start to be a "normal" story, without time travels, and the director decides to include a time travel, the chances of f(#& the story is big. But thinking better, it's a fanon, so why not?

And the Youkai side can die before if you kill it

2. A MANtasm stage (horrible pun, please don't)

How about a Cantasm stage ( Phan = Fan(on) -> Can(on) )

[PhantasmStardust]

@Kaze Senshi
Yeah I meant as in how the human/mortal side deals with the loss, since "Tragedy of a Long Life" themed stories show how the Youkai side copes, so I'd like to see it turned on its head.

[Phlegeth]

4. Remilia, motherly figure

I'd like to see some of that too.  Speaking of the SDM,
1.  Meiling and Sakuya being buddies.
2.  A respected Meiling.
3.  More flakey Sakuya.  (This is a lady who opened a window in space and once tried to buy a chipped cup.)
4.  A childlike Flandre that doesn't go batshit.  Why is it almost everytime she's shown sane, she mature and adult like.  Why can't she be childlike and sane?  That's why  "A Bright Future" is probably one of my favorite doujin.

Others
1.  Ichirin doing stuff.
2.  Shou actually using that spear of hers.
3.  Less batshit insane Sanae, Koishi, Medicine, Yuuka, ect.
4.  Specifically Yuuka.  (Don't bother her and she'll probably ignore you or at worst seriously mess with you.  Like she did with Cirno in PoFV)
5.  Tenshi not being a abused. (She's an attention starved lonely rich kid not a super pervy masochist)
6.  Tewi's luck being played up more.
7.  Stoic, Snarky Alice.
8.  Intellegent Yuyuko.
9.  More childlike, less stupid, GREAT HAM Cirno.
10.  Scenery porn.  (Gensokyo is a beutiful place and I want to see more of it.)

[Hanzo K.]

Mokou: oh, really? I thought the fandom generally went with the rude loner or kaguya-hating flanderisation depiction. Never got used to those interpretations since she seems to chummy in IN.

Well, I always saw it as her getting caught on a moderately good day.
The way I see her, she's more able to express herself easier on a good day, but most of the time she comes across as rude and jerkish due to not quite being able to fully express herself.
Solitude+Immortality=Inability to Properly Express Yourself Easily
Basically, she's a good person on a good day, but but sometimes has issues. And let's face it, you would too if you lived like she did prior to entering Gensokyo.

[highzealot]

One thing I would like to see is Marisa becoming a Youkai magician and dealing with the deaths of her mortal friends. Or maybe her becoming a Youkai in the first place would be good enough for now.

[Tengukami]

I'd think anything written from a youkai perspective would place her as the main villain - technically, that's what she is to most of 'em. ;P

Would love to see more of it too though. Touhou seems to center around the humans' plight most despite Gensokyo being a world by/for youkai. How does Reimu get away with going around indiscriminately exorcising the native (for all intent and purpose) inhabitants of some other world while acting like she's the good guy?

Oh man, this could be like a Dances With Wolves type of thing. Sanae could be heading out to hunt some youkai, only she's captured. At first she despises them, but as she comes to "learn their ways", her respect for them grows. Eventually, she considers herself one of them, as they accept her more and more into their community. This culminates in a showdown between a Sanae-led army of youkai against Reimu - a fiery speech from Reimu about "betraying humans" and an impassioned plea for tolerance and understanding from Sanae would preface the battle. In the end, the youkai are defeated, and Sanae is left as a broken shell of a human being.

The end!

[AnonymousPondScum]

Oh man, this could be like a Dances With Wolves type of thing. Sanae could be heading out to hunt some youkai, only she's captured. At first she despises them, but as she comes to "learn their ways", her respect for them grows. Eventually, she considers herself one of them, as they accept her more and more into their community. This culminates in a showdown between a Sanae-led army of youkai against Reimu - a fiery speech from Reimu about "betraying humans" and an impassioned plea for tolerance and understanding from Sanae would preface the battle. In the end, the youkai are defeated, and Sanae is left as a broken shell of a human being.

The end!

That's basically what already happened with Byakuren, though. :V

[Tengukami]

That's basically what already happened with Byakuren, though. :V

No. Byakuren was never anti-youkai, she didn't slowly come to realize that youkai are special, nor did she lead an army to try and confront the hoomins. Byakuren's story is very, very different.

The character transformation is the most crucial part, though. That's what makes the whole thing, especially if it's someone as gung-ho anti-youkai as Sanae has been.

[AnonymousPondScum]

No, Byakuren was never anti-youkai, nor did she lead an army to try and confront the hoomins. The character transformation is the most crucial part, though.

Oooooooh, okay. Sorry, didn't quite grok the nuance of what you were initially saying.

She did masquerade as a youkai exterminator but she was never truly anti-youkai, even prior to Myouren's death.