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can i haz OP
Anyway, post your Touhou failures and rage moments here and all that jazz.
EDIT 3: I'm probably dwelling into opinion territory here but is it worth getting the other games?
Play Banshiryuu C67 so you can tell/show me how to beat all the patterns that I'm fucking clueless on
I highly recommend trying them all out and seeing if you like them. They all play very differently from SG and from each other, but they're all pretty good. And remember that Banshiryuu has two alternate versions(C67 and C74) and you should try out both of them.
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I wish SG worked properly on my computer as it seems really fun. :(
And playing at 30 fps in the menu is kind of crap.
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Not really raging, but I should post more to let people know I am still playing.
I perfected Chen, yet died once to midboss Chen's non-spell, bombed her spell card, and bombed once more on the stage. o_O
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Yuugi! Quit making me burn up all my film on 6-7!
Going on 700 shots. Still haven't cleared it ....
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AUGH SSG NOOOOOOOO
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6-7 is stupid, so you're not the only one that can't do it.
Okay, I did it with Hatate.
Failed a timeout of Kaguya's opener at 1 second left.
Still haven't gotten close to a Rising World capture again.
Hourai Elixir's final phase still hates me.
Failed more PoDD Hard and PoFV Lunatic attempts due to random BS. Still can't score worth crap on PoDD.
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Grrr... why must I insist on repeatedly moving INTO bullets, rather than staying still where they'd miss me, anyway? >.<
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Grrr... why must I insist on repeatedly moving INTO bullets, rather than staying still where they'd miss me, anyway? >.<
It's so nice to hear I'm not the only one who this happens to :'D
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Play Banshiryuu C67 so you can tell/show me how to beat all the patterns that I'm fucking clueless on
I highly recommend trying them all out and seeing if you like them. They all play very differently from SG and from each other, but they're all pretty good. And remember that Banshiryuu has two alternate versions(C67 and C74) and you should try out both of them.
Alright then.
On that note, I figured out the evil purple rings can be made "manageable" by... dashing unfocused before it starts, to misdirect the ring(s) away from the gap. That just leaves one attack. And I might have something for that. Other than that, I have ~20% chance of perfecting this form.
I wish SG worked properly on my computer as it seems really fun. :(
And playing at 30 fps in the menu is kind of crap.
It took me 3 hours to figure out what was wrong. Playing fullscreen made either the game slow down when any bullets were on the screen, or when I fixed that, it made the game go "enemy and background graphics? what's that? :derp:
Solution: play windowed. D3D should be able to make this happen :V
Now, let's see if I can work out how the hell the Stage 4 Boss is supposed to work out with some of those attacks.
Also, Lasers (Shot Type) suck.
AUGH SSG NOOOOOOOO
:3
EDIT: Alright, I got most of Stage 4 down.
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I don't understand why people find 6-7 hard?
Now EX-5 fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
I tried UFO Hard today. I game overed on Ichirin's last card, of course, but continued. Had a disastrous run of the Stage but did okay on Ichirin herself. Got to Stage 4, I die a few times, but the massive amount of resources more than makes up for it. Out of nowhere, I get a perfect Murasa fight, despite it being only my second time even reaching her. I get onto Stage 5, die on Greatest Treasure and once on the stage, reach Shou 0/2.
Perfect battle. Completely blind. Captured fucking Vajra blind. Shou has half a second left on her health bar on Complete Clarification.
Suddenly the game freezes.
Two seconds go by.
Then it starts again without warning and I clip a bullet and game over because I'm not ready. What.
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Still nobody to play IaMP with. *Sigh* whatever happened to those newbies? where they just trolling? =/
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Blegh, I feel like I've completely forgotten how to play IN competently. Stupid skill regression due to long breaks... -_-
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It's so nice to hear I'm not the only one who this happens to :'D
Grrr... why must I insist on repeatedly moving INTO bullets, rather than staying still where they'd miss me, anyway? >.<
ditto
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<Naut> 640mil reimu b
<Naut> fucked up the ufos on stage 6
<Naut> lost three lives at the start of stage 5
<Naut> ended mid hijiri
<Naut> :(
<Naut> my nerves mang :(
<Naut> almost perfected shou, died only to complete clarification
<Baity> :<
<Naut> !!!
<Naut> Didnt save the FAWKING REPLAY
<Baity> i do that
<Baity> SO MANY FUCKING TIMES
<Naut> I would've cried at my three deaths before midboss nazrin stage 5 though
<Naut> I was beasted :(
<Naut> Could've gotten 800mil
<Naut> But I ruined the back and forth faries and fucked up the blue to carry after nue
<Naut> only got 150mil from stage 6
<Naut> rofl
<Baity> :V
<Naut> Oh and it was my first time passing murasa's third non
<Naut> wow why did I save this brb suicide
<Naut> didnt*
yep
EDIT: Why am I playing UFO today I clearly can't finish the damn game. UFO Lunatic no focus run. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8374) 5/0 entering Hijiri. I don't finish. Why didn't I bomb everything, you ask? Because I'm a fucking idiot.
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Who knows why the other thread was locked
Maybe because of post limit, I didn't check
So how do you explain a player who was just able to do this...
(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1821/sakusesu.png)
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8373
WOO HOO UFO system is so cool I never had this happen to me berfore har har har
(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4287/crysomemoar1.png)
Yet the player manages to suck this bad?
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9012/crysomemoar2.png)
EPIC FAIL
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8375
Godammit I wanna fight NUE already. I'm going to try again... maybe...
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(Yeah, the other thread reached the post limit.)
I had pretty much the exact same problems today in UFO as you, except with ReimuA. (One of the times I reached Byakuren with 0/4; of course I died just before the end of her final attack.) Maybe I should try playing on Hard...
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Who knows why the other thread was locked
Maybe because of post limit, I didn't check
So how do you explain a player who was just able to do this...
(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1821/sakusesu.png)
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8373 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8373)
WOO HOO UFO system is so cool I never had this happen to me berfore har har har
(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4287/crysomemoar1.png)
Yet the player manages to suck this bad?
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9012/crysomemoar2.png)
EPIC FAIL
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8375 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8375)
Godammit I wanna fight NUE already. I'm going to try again... maybe...
I'm totally watching this replay.
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Who knows why the other thread was locked
Maybe because of post limit, I didn't check
WOO HOO UFO system is so cool I never had this happen to me berfore har har har
(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4287/crysomemoar1.png)
Yet the player manages to suck this bad?
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9012/crysomemoar2.png)
EPIC FAIL
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8375 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8375)
Godammit I wanna fight NUE already. I'm going to try again... maybe...
So this.
I can Perfectly run throught stages 1-3, get to 4 and epic fail. (Thought I can finally cap Sinker Ghost!)
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It's often said that's it's your fault when you die. I don't doubt that, it certainly happens enough to prove it. However, do these people ever take into account those attacks that actually wall you in randomly?
SA Stage 5 Hard, still trying to perfect it. I loosen my standards, if you can call them that, for playing this level, so I play through the whole thing to practice Orin, no matter if I die beforehand. After several playthroughs, I magically manage to perfect the stage again. Let's see how Orin goes. Perfect through 3rd nonspell, pulling off a clutch dodge midway. Perfect through Ghost Wheels of all things, finally recapturing it. Then Small Demon's Revival. Start off standard, go up left, hang near top, then go down a bit and wait to see what the bubbles have in store.
The fairies fired a completely solid wall of bubbles. And when I say it's solid, I mean they left literally no space for me to move through, they were spaced that well. It covered about a bubble's length left of center (mid-screen) to just shy of the right wall at the start, trapping me in the lower-right corner (the general area, if you can picture it). So I decide to wait a split second to see if it opens up somewhere, because I have no choice. It doesn't, and I die.
Now perhaps you can understand why I've been saying "randomness sucks" all this time (extreme randomness, anyway). Because it has potential to completely nullify any and all displays of skill, leaving the player at the mercy of a fucking random number generator. It's often the player's fault when he/she dies, but you tell me, how is anyone supposed to have seen a wall like that coming beforehand? Last I checked, no one here is clairvoyant. Bombing is out of the question, this is an attempt at a perfect run. And the way this card's supposed to be handled left me in no position to try outrunning the wall itself, never mind how much of the screen it already covered. The game left me no chance whatsoever. Even in other Touhou games this comes to mind - Remilia is a perfect example. It's because there's a decent chance of certain attacks throwing impossible walls that makes things much harder than they should be.
Sorry for ranting, but I had to get this off my chest.
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Stage 4 Reimu in LLS Lunatic. I mean, everything else is quite easy considering it's Lunatic...and then that one beast literally rapes you and leaves you with little resources for the last stages. That's what I'd call That One Boss.
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Stage 4 Reimu in LLS Lunatic. I mean, everything else is quite easy considering it's Lunatic...and then that one beast literally rapes you and leaves you with little resources for the last stages. That's what I'd call That One Boss.
Y'know, LLS Reimu is hard, yeah, but I never had THAT much trouble with her. There's a reason LLS is considered one of the easiest Lunatics.
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Yeah, LLS was the easiest to Lunatic 1CC, but Reimu is just so hilariously over the top. I mean, how the hell do you actually avoid her attacks? Now it's just about going through the fight with brute bombing force.
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Solution: play windowed. D3D should be able to make this happen :V
Tried this but it still slows down at moments to 40 fps and it remains at constant 30 fps during bosses.
Oh well, it's unlikely that I would have performed well on a windowed screen anyway. :ohdear:
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Now perhaps you can understand why I've been saying "randomness sucks" all this time (extreme randomness, anyway). Because it has potential to completely nullify any and all displays of skill, leaving the player at the mercy of a fucking random number generator. It's often the player's fault when he/she dies, but you tell me, how is anyone supposed to have seen a wall like that coming beforehand?
Memorization is not skill. If there wasn't a random factor in these games, any old shmuck with enough time on their hands could pass everything blindfolded without having any kind of reflexes, trajectory assessment or intelligent play. Simply having decent hand eye coordination and enough time on your hands will get you through the game? What is this, an RPG? The obvious argument to your walling statement is to train yourself enough to have the foresight to determine when bullets will wall you in. Unfortunately, the problem with walling the player in exists more in earlier games (mostly due to ZUN progressively getting better at design), but for the most part, in Touhou, you can avoid walls by having good enough foresight to determine when the bullets will surround you. Yes, the random numbers can make things harder or easier depending on a bit of luck, but if they weren't there games would be completely boring and dirty predictable.
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SakuyaB in PCB is rubbish compared to the others. That is all.
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Memorization is not skill. If there wasn't a random factor in these games, any old shmuck with enough time on their hands could pass everything blindfolded without having any kind of reflexes, trajectory assessment or intelligent play. Simply having decent hand eye coordination and enough time on your hands will get you through the game? What is this, an RPG? The obvious argument to your walling statement is to train yourself enough to have the foresight to determine when bullets will wall you in. Unfortunately, the problem with walling the player in exists more in earlier games (mostly due to ZUN progressively getting better at design), but for the most part, in Touhou, you can avoid walls by having good enough foresight to determine when the bullets will surround you. Yes, the random numbers can make things harder or easier depending on a bit of luck, but if they weren't there games would be completely boring and dirty predictable.
Any old shmuck with enough time on their hands could also fluke their way through Scarlet Meister if they played it enough times.
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Any old shmuck with enough time on their hands could also fluke their way through Scarlet Meister if they played it enough times.
That argument is valid for every spellcard in existance, I'm not sure why you brought it up. Memorizing non-random patterns would take far less time than lucking through everything.
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Yeah, LLS was the easiest to Lunatic 1CC, but Reimu is just so hilariously over the top. I mean, how the hell do you actually avoid her attacks? Now it's just about going through the fight with brute bombing force.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USW0ga7mBpU#t=3m51s
Tried this but it still slows down at moments to 40 fps and it remains at constant 30 fps during bosses.
Oh well, it's unlikely that I would have performed well on a windowed screen anyway. :ohdear:
Booooo~
RNG shenanigans vs. skill vs. memorization vs. (ry
I'm going to stay out of this one.
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Memorization is not skill. If there wasn't a random factor in these games, any old shmuck with enough time on their hands could pass everything blindfolded without having any kind of reflexes, trajectory assessment or intelligent play. Simply having decent hand eye coordination and enough time on your hands will get you through the game? What is this, an RPG? The obvious argument to your walling statement is to train yourself enough to have the foresight to determine when bullets will wall you in. Unfortunately, the problem with walling the player in exists more in earlier games (mostly due to ZUN progressively getting better at design), but for the most part, in Touhou, you can avoid walls by having good enough foresight to determine when the bullets will surround you. Yes, the random numbers can make things harder or easier depending on a bit of luck, but if they weren't there games would be completely boring and dirty predictable.
You're putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about getting rid of randomness altogether, only that it shouldn't get so crazy that there's no chance for survival without bombing. Indeed, walls of random bullets are more present in earlier games, but I wouldn't call your argument of "reading ahead" perfect either. It makes sense for most attacks, yes, but I mentioned in my skirmish with Small Demon's Revival that the bubbles started out as a wall that prevented escape, and never changed. Being able to read ahead on that requires that I know the bullet formation before it's even fired.
If you don't mind me switching gears slightly, I disagree with anyone that says memorization doesn't equal skill. True, static/micromem. attacks don't call for the same approach as ones with random elements, so they can't be lumped together under the same kind of "skill", but that doesn't make the former become stupidly easy (not always, anyway). Figuring out some static/micromem. attacks in the first place is a problem-solving process, and the player needs to devote the time and energy to learn such patterns without using resources. And considering the precision of movements called for in bullet hell games, I think it would still be wise to pay attention to what you're doing (i.e. not relying just on muscle memory) to make sure you're not unintentionally straying from whatever process you use to survive something. Again, I stress that this is quite different from what skill is normally applied for random attacks, but it's its own skill nonetheless.
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Ugh. I failed so hard at UFO that its tough for me to keep my dinner from getting thrown up all over the place. I hate Byakuren so much that if i could end all wars on earth or remove UFO from existence, i would go with the latter.
Shou at least has a few shiny parts (and Murasa too). Everything else is just unfun torture. I don't care if its because of lack of practice or whatever it is, i'm suffering when playing this. I just confirmed what i already knew. Why am i such an idiot? I should instead use my time to find a game that doesn't blow ass!
I guess i'm just hoping that i can learn to appreciate the game and this post is the result of the frustration and dissappointment that is still at large in me. How can this game come from the same guy who made EoSD, IN, PCB, MoF and SA? I just don't get it.
Now please excuse that rant. Another thing i find odd is how some people somehow get decent at this without really being spectacular in the other games in the series... is that the magic of liking the game?
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untitl91.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=466&u=12803292)
This is the 3rd time that this is happened to me today. Damn laser walls. You could say that I should be macrododging them. Which works, until this last shot.
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Urgh, my laptop has been reformatted recently, i lost all my progression and high scores.
RRRRAGE.
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Memorization is not skill.
The trouble with this statement is that Memorisation *is*, by itself, a skill that some people have and some people don't, whilst at the same time just because I know how every spellcard in Imperishable Night extra (for example) works, that doesn't necessarily mean I'll be able to dodge everything perfectly and clear the stage no bombs no deaths.
Let's take Ex-Keine's first and third cards as an example. The first card requires you to work out a way of getting through the blue bullets whilst allowing yourself room to stream the red ones afterwards, whilst the third one requires you to basically stream everything. Once you know what you're doing, both of these attacks should logically be irrelevant and require no brainpower; despite this, I still fail both of them on occasion because I tap slightly too hard, or I mess up my route, or an aimed bullet is a little faster than I gave it credit for.
Using an Ex card as an example is probably bad because Ex-Stages are more geared towards memorisation, so let's take a different example: Orin's Ghost Wheels. Reading this forum, the wiki, any guide, video or replay shows you how Ghost Wheels works, so there's no way you can randomly just get trapped by it. But the Hard / Lunatic versions are still formidible, requiring you to make pixel-precise dodges whilst keeping track of the wheels and whilst trying to get damage through: multi-task or die.
The reason Touhou is so appealing to me as a challenge is because you can work out how an attack works, but you still need to have actual skill to dodge the bullets.
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Did some more UFO practice, so here's another case of
Kogasa spells, Ichirin, Murasa nonspells, Murasa's second and survival spells, Shou WTF is this crap? :ohdear:
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I died, like, 5 times on Kanako and barely 1CC'd it.
One of those deaths was when Mountain of Faith was about to clear.
I do so well on the difficult spellcards that my mind begins to completely blank out on the easier ones.
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[13:57] <Baity> gdi, almost did a perfect 5-8 run
[13:57] <Baity> aya's head didn't get in the photo for the last shot and caused my score to plummet
[13:59] <Baity> FFFF
[14:00] <Baity> http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=468&u=12803292 3 frames too slow
I don't think any more needs to be said.
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IN. Final B. Kaguya's Last card. 1/2 inch of health left. Last life, one bomb. So close to my first 1cc.
I sneeze.
Game over.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.
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My body tends to freeze up partially when a sneeze is coming, so even if I don't sneeze, when one is coming, I can lose lives in Touhou like no one else...
Actually, that kept me from getting to Yuyuko on Hard in PCB. Usually I can make it to any of her last 2-3 cards(Cept for Ressurection Buuterfly) consistanly, then die and run out of continues. This time I lost my last life(continues counted) to my favourite Youmu Card, Deva Realm Sword ~Seven Sins~, all because I felt a sneeze coming... for 2 minutes. The sneeze somehow let me cap Human Realm Sword ~Approaching Disillusion~ or w/e the card is on Hard though so it's a silver lining. But it also makes me rage a bit, I capped the one card thats the biggest train-wreck for me on Stage 5 Hard, yet I couldn't beat the stage! FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-
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First time playing PCB Lunatic in 2 weeks, forgot how to do the stages, forgot how to play Chen, still lost only 1 life to her. Bombed everything Alice had as it was dying. Still got to S4 8)
Oh, forgot to mention: i got so jumpy in stage 3 I bombed non-cards while they switched to spell cards because I got scared that easy.
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Four 1DNB attempts on Mountain of Faith Normal. While on one hand, this means a capture isn't too far off, dying with <15% left each time still sucks.
Maybe I should actually call this an accomplishment *lol*
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This is a no bomb 1cc (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8400)
SHUP UP, THIS IS A NO BOMB 1CC
...;_;
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SakuyaB in PCB is rubbish compared to the others. That is all.
what
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what
Apparently higher damage and covers the screen with ease are rubbish qualities.
Though to his credit, with SakuyaB S4 becomes much more of a maker/breaker of 1ccs, especially if you screw up on Merlin's opener and enter a downward spiral.
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She may be rubbish, but she's the only shottype that's even playable considering the others are even more rubbish.
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She may be rubbish, but she's the only shottype that's even playable considering the others are even more rubbish.
what
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I'm saying every shottype in PCB sucks and that SakuyaB is the best one. The only other one I would consider is SakuyA, and I haven't played using her since my first Phantasm clear.
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She may be rubbish, but she's the only shottype that's even playable considering the others are even more rubbish.
If a n00b like me can 1cc PCB Lunatic with MarisaA, then how is that shottype rubbish?
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I'm saying every shottype in PCB sucks and that SakuyaB is the best one. The only other one I would consider is SakuyA, and I haven't played using her since my first Phantasm clear.
I know what you were saying. I was just implying that you're completely wrong. :3
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She may be rubbish, but she's the only shottype that's even playable considering the others are even more rubbish.
ReimuB and MarisaA are a billion times better than any Sakuya.
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Tried PCB Lunatic again. Game overed while trying to grab Alice's 1 up.
Continued
Die while nothing even touched me on Boss Alice.
*Said Fuck this game. Came to post here.*
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I find Reimu A and B as well as Sakuya A better then Sakuya B. Mainly because Sakuya B has a weird shot, it's hard for me to learn.
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DSFJKSNADFKANFKASDNFKA
MoF Hard, No Focus.
Game over on Kanako's last noncard.
Wouldn't be so annoying if I hadn't been pressing the bomb button on the two deaths on the Rice card.
RRRGH
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ReimuB: She's still only a Stage 2 boss though.
:wikipedia:
I start blasting Ran, moving within the generous space between the bullets beating her 1st Non-spell with ease.
Then "Shikigami -Wizard Fox Thoughts-" starts up. I remeber reading in Ran quest or something similar that you should move little for that card, I see why, and I still somehow died to it. That was my last life as well. I lucked Chen, and I lucked my way to Ran, using every bomb on every life and getting to Ran with 0-0 Life-Bomb.
But based on what you guys have said, Wizard Fox Thoughts is really easy to cap... explain my failure on such an easy card then please. I almost capped it on my 1st try at it, 2 seconds longer and I would have capped it, maybe even a death-capture but still. My 2nd Extra Run worth mentioning and... FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU.jpg
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Wizard Fox's Thoughts likes tiny movements. And it isn't completely impossible to fail due to bullets spawning five pixels away plus input lag plus nerves.
It's basically a giant newbtrap. Drake's TAS pretty much showed that it's impossible to beat without streaming it.
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Wizard Fox's Thoughts likes tiny movements. And it isn't completely impossible to fail due to bullets spawning five pixels away plus input lag plus nerves.
It's basically a giant newbtrap. Drake's TAS pretty much showed that it's impossible to beat without streaming it.
I hear my way through that one.
History: 4/6
Otherwise this card would be bullshit since you can't even see where you're going once Ran starts to fire faster bubble shots.
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Now I'm raging at Radiance -Fox Tanuki Youkai Laser- I lucked my way through the entire stage, lucked my way to Fox Tanuki Youkai Laser, I get to the red lasers, and then... "what hit me...?"
Wizard Fox's Thoughts likes tiny movements.
I know, Reisen Quest or Ran quest or w/e basicly says that in the description for that card, if it shows up as an item at all :P
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Now I'm raging at Radiance -Fox Tanuki Youkai Laser- I lucked my way through the entire stage, lucked my way to Fox Tanuki Youkai Laser, I get to the red lasers, and then... "what hit me...?"
The way to make this card easy is to make Ran move in the direction opposite where you make her fire the bullets. Basically, start under and slightly to one side of Ran. Just after she fires but before she moves, dash to her other side so she moves away from the aimed shots, minimizing how many bullets you need to deal with (be sure to read for the lasers of course). Using this approach, shottypes like MarisaA can take this card out in 3-4 iterations (though I don't know which shottype you're using, so this range will probably be different).
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ReimuB.
make Ran move in the direction opposite where you make her fire the bullets
I'ma let you finish, but, WHAT?! How? *incomprehensible shock/surprise/lack of understand* * Tears mind asplode
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I'ma let you finish, but, WHAT?! How? *incomprehensible shock/surprise/lack of understand* * Tears mind asplode
The direction that the boss moves is determined by which side of her you're standing on. If you're to the right of them, they'll move right, and vice versa. That's how it is with every Windows Touhou game except for EoSD and UFO, where boss movement is random.
Try it on Ex-Chen's opener, it's quite noticeable there (and makes it go much quicker if you can manipulate her movement well enough)
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So if I'm on the right, Ran fires to the right then moves right, but if I'm on the left after she fires but before she moves she will move left, into my shots? Ok, sounds simple enough.
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Well, not really. You want her to fire downwards every time. Just position yourself in line with her, but very slightly off in the direction you want to go, then dash off and follow her immediately after she fires straight down. Repeat ad
defeatum
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Maybe a demo (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8423) would work better - sometimes I really suck at explaining things.
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no focus Wizard Fox Thoughts is a lot of fun
just sayin'
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Merlins opener is ballsy. Not only is it pretty hard on its own but you also have to use Sakuya to play it and she sucks. I don't think i'm the only one who finds her movement speed quite horrible.
I wanted to time it out but i cannot do so. I have only managed to pull off 2-death timeouts and its becoming much more annoying than its worth. I can capture it quite often though and i suppose it wouldn't be as terribly hard for Sakuya regulars.
Isn't that right Enigma?
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Gameover on Hourai Jewel.
RAAAGE
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More PCB rage.
Tried some practice runs.
Clipdeaths on Alice . Clipdeaths on Stage 4 and Prismrivers. Clipdeaths on Stage 5.
Walled by Hungry King Sword
Walled by Hell God Sword
Had bullets spawned on top of my hitbox while trying to misdirecting Youmu's opener.
Had BS walls shot at me in Stage 4 postmidboss. Had BS walls shot at me by Stage 4 midboss, so I can choose what I get walled by.
Who said hitboxes in PCB were better? Because these bubbles have the exact same hitboxes as EoSD bubbles. Hitboxes seem off too.
Several cases of me pressing the bomb button before I get hit with a distance where I should get the bomb off, then I still end up dying.
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died to cirno today
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Maybe a demo (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8423) would work better - sometimes I really suck at explaining things.
Damn. Oh and Izuna Gongen makes me rage just by seeing it! Yuyuko gets that, Yukari has it, now even Ran has it! Tehy all have yhat same attack pattern in a card or non-spell. What the hell was ZUN thinking/drinking! Making a card like that not once, not twice but thrice!
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600mil Marisa A UFO run ends on Shinki all because I can't bomb for shit >: |
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I just had a perfect EoSD stage 6 going all the way to Scarlet Gensokyo before dying.
Ran straight into a bubble bullet because I misjudged it's trajectory while nothing else was near me.
FUCKING. HELL.
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Why did I fuck up this many times with bombs in stock? That could have been a 1cc.
Death with bombs on Alice, several on Prismrivers, another on Youmu.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8438
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why must reimu/aya in sa's targeted shot move in the opposite direction as the character when unfocused
while sakuya-b in pcb's targeted shot moves in the same direction as the character while unfocused
other than specifically to confuse and befuddle me personally
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untitl95.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=471&u=12803292)
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why must reimu/aya in sa's targeted shot move in the opposite direction as the character when unfocused
Think Youmu in IN.
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Think of a bad character in IN.
Fixed for accuracy. If it's not the Magic Team or Border Team being used, you are either goofing around, or your insane, or both.
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Fixed for accuracy. If it's not the Ghost Team, Scarlet or Border Team being used, you are either goofing around, or your insane, or both.
Fixed for more accuracy. Buuut...
God I'm horrible at DS today...
I died on a stage 1 scene.
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Fixed for accuracy. If it's not the Ghost Team or Border Team being used, you are either goofing around, or your insane, or both.
Fxied cause the original was wrong.
What at Magic Team not being insane?
Magic Team is the definition of insane/goofing around. Same for Scarlet Team. Solos are of course even more so.
Also, why the hell am I now dying to Letty constantly. I get to Stage 6 despite stupid mistakes earlier, and now I keep ragequitting on Letty and Chen.
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Fixed for accuracy. If it's not the Magic Team or Ghost Team being used, you are either goofing around, or your insane, or both.
Fixed for great accuracy because all of you failed to be accurate!
Personal Opinion, obviously.
MALICE Cannon & Score Whore FTW
Border Team kills patterns by using homing bullets, which makes the game bullshit easy. There's no fun in playing a game like that/ =[
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Well if you're trying to score, Youmu solo is a pretty solid choice. (Assuming you can manage aiming her shots. Which I can't.)
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Fixed for accuracy. If it's not solo Youmu no focus constant shooting, you aren't a REAL MAN
quadruple fixd
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Scarlet Team is pretty much the second pick for people who want to just finish the game...
Magic Team is only good for Malice Cannon. Marisa and Alice by themselves are both more fun IMO.
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Fixed for accuracy. If it's not solo Youmu no focus constant shooting Hourai Elixir Lunatic, you aren't a REAL MAN
fixed that for you bro
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Scarlet Team is pretty much the second pick for people who want to just finish the game...
Ghost Team would fill that role much better. Screen-filling youkai shot that annihilates stages + the best card-killing bomb in the game. Scarlet Team's bombs are way too weak for good low-end survival play.
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Not sure why you say Scarlet Team bombs are too weak. Remilia's bomb does ridiculous damage if you're on top of the boss.
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Yes, but on most cards you'll be focused, meaning your deathbomb is the useless Sakuya bomb. Also, Youmu's bomb is ridiculous.
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Fixed for accuracy. If it's not solo Youmu no focus constant shooting Hourai Elixir Lunatic, you aren't a REAL MAN
Oh? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2KxtV4hq3s)
And yeah, Scarlet Team has pretty dodgy bombs. I much prefer Remi solo over the team variant; she's much more powerful than Sakuya and a ton of fun to fly around like a maniac with. :V
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Fixed for accuracy. If it's not Sakuya Solo, you're a pansy.
:getdown:
And yeah, Scarlet Team has pretty dodgy bombs. I much prefer Remi solo over the team variant; she's much more powerful than Sakuya and a ton of fun to fly around like a maniac with. :V
Dodgy bombs... various situations for Sakuya (you all know which ones by now I hope), and Remi's unfortunately doesn't do a lot to Spell Cards, but does ridiculous damage against Non-Spells (in comparison) because of the way the mechanics work. Also, I'll make the statement that anybody who prefers Remi solo over the Scarlet Team obviously doesn't / hasn't / isn't play(ed / ing) for score, or is inexperienced in the field of scoring; the main highlight of Sakuya is her individual auxiliary skill which is a scorerunner's dream come true.
In other news, I recently discovered a flaw in my playstyle when playing StB / DS. The problem here is ironing it out; it's almost impossible to iron out because the only way I can think of doing this is becoming either left-hand dominant, or ambidextrous. Ridiculous, isn't it? Now, you're probably wondering, "what for?". See, here's the thing:
When taking photos, I generally try to minimize the duration that I'm "scoping" my shot; a fundamental scoring practice. I do this by naturally pressing both the "Shot" key and the directional button(s). Now, because I'm right-hand dominant, and I play using a keyboard without swapping the directional and "active" buttons (and no, swapping them now is completely out of the question), I have this rather large tendency to move before pressing the Shot key. Guess what this means? Precisely, I move a tiny bit first, then I start "scoping". This equates to instant death. Instant death exactly at the point where I hit the "Shot" key.
tl;dr Being right-handed means that my right-half of my body reacts faster to "brain input" causing disastrous results.
Another anomaly that I've experienced is Aya's hitbox expanding while "scoping"; this is completely unconfirmed, and it may or may not be related with the case above from what I've observed.
And finally, 4.34 million on 10-5.
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Also, I'll make the statement that anybody who prefers Remi solo over the Scarlet Team obviously doesn't / hasn't / isn't play(ed / ing) for score, or is inexperienced in the field of scoring
That sounds about right. I have no idea whatsoever about IN scoring; to be honest, I'm not even really talking about survival so much as just that it's a really, really fun shot type. :V Maybe it's just the high speed and forward focus catering to my arcade shmup habits, who knows.
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obviously doesn't / hasn't / isn't play(ed / ing) for score, or is inexperienced in the field of scoring;
In this community? Naw, that's crazy talk. ::)
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Ghost Team would fill that role much better. Screen-filling youkai shot that annihilates stages + the best card-killing bomb in the game. Scarlet Team's bombs are way too weak for good low-end survival play.
Why do you want a card-killing bomb when you have a better card-killing shot?
I'll grant that both of the Scarlet Team's bombs are virtually useless though. I'm curious as to which situations Sakuya's bombs are good for, since they seem to fail on any attack that uses familiars (basically all of them).
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Huh. It's amazing how much I fail on EoSD Lunatic. The run directly before, I'm playing on Hard and get all the way to Scarlet Meister. But suddenly, next run, since I'm doing Lunatic. I enter stage 4 with three lives, get an Extend on the way, and suddenly game over on the first Non-Directional Laser.
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1DNB "Scarlet Gensokyo" timeout.
Died at 10 seconds left.
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Stage 4 PCB-N: ended 4/1.
Seriously, between Prismrivers and Patchy I curse Zun's S4 programming.
(To add insult to injury, that was apparently a top-score run.) :colonveeplusalpha:
FUCKING DIED AS THEY WERE EXPLODING FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just came back from a trip to Japan, played the fuck out of Mushihime-sama Futari BL in an arcade in Tokyo (I was stuck for four days due to the ash cloud in Europe so I had some time off the whole exploring thing to do it) and I tried to 1cc PCB Normal last night and was like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
I also finished 3/1 in a stage 6 normal run, fml
It's amazing how much your skills dull when you get used to playing a really different shooter.
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In this community? Naw, that's crazy talk. ::)
...you're right, that is crazy talk; what on Earth was I thinking?
I'm curious as to which situations Sakuya's bombs are good for, since they seem to fail on any attack that uses familiars (basically all of them).
And Sakuya's bomb would succeed against anything that doesn't have familiars. Which... is very little.
Conclusion: Therefore, the Scarlet Team is the EXTREME Team; awesome scoring, awesome standard shots (when you're playing right), awesome SPEED and more often than not punishes you for deathbombing.
Do take this with a barrel of salt
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щ(ﾟДﾟщ) (http://score.royalflare.net/th125/levelscene125-7.html#L7S5)
At least I got a 136k shot.
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Don't you get punished for deathbombing for all teams? Or does that only apply to Last Spell deathbombing?
The only time I did a 1 bomb deathbomb with more than one bomb in stock, I wasn't paying attention.
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punished as in "CONGRATS YOU HAVE WASTED TWO BOMBS
WELL DONE"
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Don't you get punished for deathbombing for all teams? Or does that only apply to Last Spell deathbombing?
Be very, very mindful of what happens when you deathbomb with the Scarlet Team when focused (which is, statistically speaking, the point in time where the most deathbombs occur).
Answer: You get Sakuya's bomb
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Compare: Border Team gets Reimu's GODLY bomb, Magic Team gets マスターーーースパーーーク！！！, and the Ghost Team gets Youmu's all-rounder full-screen (essentially) bomb
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Ya, if you get a Yukari or Alice deathbomb, it's pretty bad too, but that'll only happen if you unfocus to try to get a bomb off but get hit first. Yuyuko's Last Spell isn't that bad either.
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Bai-tan, what do the boxes say?
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Tear:
I forgot that not everybody has Japanese on their compy. It reads "Masteeeeeerrrrrrr Spaaaaark!!!
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Technically, it reads:
MASUTAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKU!!!
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Bai-tan
Why are we using Spoiler tags for D-bombs?
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Question and Answer. You hide the answer to make people think before guessing :V
Also, 7-2 (http://score.royalflare.net/th125/levelscene125-7.html#L7S2). While you might think it's an accomplishment seeing as I managed to snatch first, the problem here is that I only have a general idea on how to score. In other words, I'm clueless like UKT.
EDIT: Ok... 7-1's even worse than 7-2 in this sense.
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UFO, stages 1-4: Activate bullet time to move like 'they' do! Dodge like you have never dodged before, capturing nearly every card in the process!
Stages 5-6. Bullet time exhausted. Initiate DERP mode. Crash into lone bullets and forget how to bomb entirely!
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Had two consecutive runs against RTG. Died three times on one of them and two times on the other. FUCK!!! I'm usually pretty good at this card. One death is acceptable because it might happen due to some flawed reading but dying three times is horrible.
I can't capture VoPB for shit either. And CC is proving impossible. But i did capture Greatest Treasure two times... well...
UFO, stages 1-4: Activate bullet time to move like 'they' do! Dodge like you have never dodged before, capturing nearly every card in the process!
Stages 5-6. Bullet time exhausted. Initiate DERP mode. Crash into lone bullets and forget how to bomb entirely!
Yeah pretty much. On lunatic that is.
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In this community?
It's more likely than you thi- *shot*
PCB: 2 runs, 1 hard, 1 lunatic. Lunatic ends at Prismrivers, Hard ended at Alice due to downward spiral. WHAT
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untitl96.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=472&u=12803292)
Ok, either emulating playstyle isn't the right way to go about this, or, I could just be getting unlucky and having the "tower" build in the corner where it won't tip towards the center when I want it to (which is basically when I go and take a scoring shot).
Seriously, my progression of shots was like:
230k -> 150k -> 150k -> 150k -> 170k -> 180k -> 160k [endscore 1.2mil]
Whereas the theoretical should be something like:
250k -> 220-330k -> 220-330k -> (ry [endscore 1.6mil++]
Alright, I'm through with that. Let me now run my head a few billion times against 7-7 and see if I can achieve anything remotely close to 1 million. Not to mention I still have to numbercrunch 7-1 properly.
EDIT: ...it appears that my natural anti-affinity for various attack patterns such as the one in 7-7 (Crisscross) is starting to come back and bite me. Ironically enough, I can do something like "LSI" without messing up at all.
EDIT 2: Alright, 7-7 is starting to become barely manageable at that range. Might as well study a replay...
EDIT 3: Getting the hang of it. Granted, the Best Shot there is a bit of a fluke but I know one very simple method to avoid getting hit right there.
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untitl97.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=473&u=12803292)
After those, I'll be done for the month.
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I could understand being killed once, that's expected in PoFV.
Quit killing me 2 or 3 times. Be a good girl already and just kill me once, or preferably not at all, then die. This applies to everything past stage 6.
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Goddamn my reflexes, seriously.
(http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8466)
Ended 2/3 this time so I'm calling this a no bombs 1cc.
30 cards captured.
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lol double post.
Just tried doing a no bombs UFO lunatic 1cc and made it all the way to Shou on my first attempt.
I could have pulled this off if I hadn't died SIX times on stage 5.
Seriously, the margin for error is enormous because of the ridiculous amount of lives the game throws at you.
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Perfect Cherry Blossom Phantasm.
I'm just flying around pretending that I know what I'm doing and it works. Sometimes.
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For life of me I can't do keeping myself alive and keeping track of all those floating UFOs on the screen at the same time. Can't get through stage 3 despite of 10 FREAKING CONTINUES Gaaaah
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GODDAMN INPUT LAG
the better I get, the more I notice it
I died pushing the bomb button five times, nine bombs gone
how the hell am I supposed to 1cc EoSD Lunatic
(and I can't figure out how to get the vsync patch to work)
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(and I can't figure out how to get the vsync patch to work)
Get vpatch.ini, vpatch.exe, and the respective vpatch_thXX.dll file.
Dump them all into the Touhou folder. (Same folder where the game .exe is at.)
For EoSD, rename the game exe to the original name, which is: 東方紅魔郷
(If you want to play in English, just rename the English .exe to that.)
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Have done precisely this before. No success.
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Rename EoSD .exe to ?????g????
Nao.
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THLabyrinth dislikes patching correctly.
Also the new age of Touhou games (10, 11, 12) are all way too easy. I beat the Extra on 12, even. On normal, Perfect Cherry Blossom wipes the floor with me on stage four. Granted, that's when I'm attempting to 1CC it. With continues I get to Resurrection Butterfly: ~30% Reflowering~.
...THAT CARD CAN GO STRAIGHT TO HELL
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Have done precisely this before. No success.
I'm surprised.
Update your game, and run as admin.
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Some fiddling later, I figured out what I did wrong last time. EoSD Lunatic 1cc forthcoming. Small movements and responsive keys are helpful.
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A few PoFV attempts
Died to Komachi 3 times
Died to Komachi 3 times
Died to Komachi 3 times
Died to Komachi 3 times
Died to Komachi 3 times
Died to Marisa twice, then ragequit
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Another gameover at Hourai Jewel.
*kefitgameover.wav*
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I died literally one tenth of a second away from a perfect EoSD stage six Lunatic run last night. Remi was exploding and everything. The kicker is that it was easily avoidable - I clipped on one of EoSD's infamous bubble corners, when I had a few pixels of leeway I could have used to move just a bit more.
The only reason I didn't scream is because I was at a friend's house. Instead I stared blankly into space for several minutes while breathing heavily. I think I freaked my friend out.
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Game overed on boss!Sakuya.
Two deaths where I bombed a hair too late (but at least it was me and not input lag that killed me), one DERP dodge into a knife on Sakuya's second noncard, and then she pulled the Killing Doll trick on me to end it.
Three deaths with bombs? Not too shabby. (Well, four, but I can't blame myself for the Killing Doll one.) We've got some work to do here.
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doubleposting because what the hell
How did I die five consecutive times on Gengetu's fourth phase?
Like...seriously, what?
Still cleared her, which is why LLS is one of the easiest Extras - metric crapton of resources - but ohyegods.
(That was MarisaB. I also cleared with ReimuB...lolnurseReimu)
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WHY DO I KEEP DYING AS BOSSES DIE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH seriously that last 1% health really really fast wave of Grudge Bow. What.
On the plus side I managed to do my first capture of Undefined Darkness. While at the same time also managing to bomb/die on every single noncard.
edit: again except I captured blue UFO this time
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU..... repeat that for a bunch of minutes.
I fucked up a perfect Shou Lunatic battle at Complete Clarification. Bugger, dammit, fuck it all to hell, i'll never perform that good on fucking everything again... i should rather go cry instead...
Okay, that's it. I hate Complete Clarification from now on. Stupid card. *Goes to try and capture it.*
EDIT: Fails to capture it. A couple of times. How am i supposed to keep track of all that? Geez...
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I really don't know why my subconscious wants me to keep playing Hisoutensoku's story mode. I suppose I haven't played it enough to know for sure, but first impressions told me that I'm not too fond of the enemy spellcard system (even if every attack is learnable), and that opinion hasn't changed yet. It's a fighting game, it should focus on that rather than try to make it remotely resemble the main series games. Of course, this ignores the fact that I hate computer opponents in general - I much prefer human vs. human in any fighting game.
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU..... repeat that for a bunch of minutes.
I fucked up a perfect Shou Lunatic battle at Complete Clarification. Bugger, dammit, fuck it all to hell, i'll never perform that good on fucking everything again... i should rather go cry instead...
Okay, that's it. I hate Complete Clarification from now on. Stupid card. *Goes to try and capture it.*
EDIT: Fails to capture it. A couple of times. How am i supposed to keep track of all that? Geez...
Are you taking it from as low on the screen as possible? As obvious as it sounds, my experience with the card involved being able to capture it when I first started, losing the ability when I got cocky and started moving higher up, and going back to a proper capture rate once I went back to cowering at the bottom. Also remember that the very bottom of the screen is safe during even-numbered laser waves.
Still, sucks to hear that Complete Clarification ruined such a good run. I was lucky to never have to suffer such a fate (and I was shaky as hell when I perfected Syou, don't know how it didn't happen). Closest thing to it was a 1DNB on Vajra.
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I hate UFO.
So I'm trying to 1cc Normal with all shot types. ReimuB was easy, managed it first try with several lives to spare. Last one, MarisaB.
Stage 3 was fail, and I died 3 times to Ichirin's last card because I'm stupid. Went in to Stage 4 with 0 lives, everything went well and I came out with 2. Lots of fail and a game over on stage 5.
Second attempt. More fail on stage 3. Stage 4 went perfectly until I died twice on the last spellcard. 0 lives into stage 5, and of course I lose fighting Shou.
Third attempt, I just quit on stage 4 when I ended up with 0 lives.
And I don't blame MarisaB for it either, I'm just terribly inconsistent. Why?? :(
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Well, this sucks (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8496)
The border break I could deal with as Unilateral Contact sucks. But that death was completely lame. Even if I hadn't died, then the border break would have pissed me off.
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It always feels like an accomplishment when I perfect the stage portion for SA Stage 5 Hard. So I manage that again, and perfect Orin up to Small Demon's Revival before dying. Again. And I honestly don't think it was my fault either. Here's what happened. I complete the first turnaround, and notice that the fairies are going to force me around again. That in itself isn't bad, but the glowing bullets they dropped formed a thicker formation than usual (I wouldn't consider that bad in itself either). So I fit into the only space available at the time, then right as I'm in that gap a fairy shotguns a bubble to my face before I can even do anything else.
Fucking randomness. What's even worse is that when I do this good, I'm always out of energy and motivation to try again. I feel like I'm actually trapped in Hell here. This is driving me nuts!
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So after my 1 death 1 border broken run, I decide to try perfecting the stage
Here were my latest attempts
3DNBNBB
5DNBNBB
6DNB3BB
I am now playing WORSE each try. What the fuck?
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit100.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=477&u=12803292)
Three things:
- I am a coward who doesn't move up for the last shot
- I react too slowly / I don't have enough finesse
- I'm still doing it wrong and have a loooong way to go
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how did I die
how did I die
how did I die
how did I die
12 bombs gone
what the hell
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Items!
*Moves upwards*
Aaaahhh, b?lats
*Moves downwards*
No more b?lats
*Moves upwards*
Where did those enemies come from?!
*Moves downwards*
I want my items.
*Moves upwards*
More b?lats?
*Moves downwards*
I think that's over.
*Moves upwards*
*STAGE BOSS APPEARS*
(spoon)
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Ah hah hah hah hah I captured Nazrin's Pendulum finally!
Ah hah hah hah hah I perfected Kogaga again! With another silly capture of Parasol Star Memories!
Ah hah hah wut? I failed to stage 3...
Ah hah not funny. I got slammed by Nue in stage 4. And I failed Dipper Creeping Close again.
No, how did I die twice to Shou again?
Ha hah hah hah I capture Magic Milky Way no horizontal again.
Nuuu, why did I game over after I capture Magic milky Way?
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Do you mean Nazrin Pendulum, High Sensitivity Nazrin Pendulum, or Defense Sign?
Either way it's not that hard. I hate the light magic attacks that Byakuren does, and those ABOMINABLE CURVING LASERS SHOU FAUCK
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Nazrin's final card on Hard.
It took me 13 tries to figure out how to beat it with Reimu B. During my 1cc attempts, those 12 previous tries were mostly bombs AND/or deaths.
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ABOMINABLE CURVING LASERS SHOU FAUCK
What's with all the hate, guise (http://score.royalflare.net/th125/levelscene125-7.html#L7S7)? ;_;
On that note,
- I react too slowly / I don't have enough finesse
- I'm still doing it wrong and have a loooong way to go
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What's with all the hate, guise (http://score.royalflare.net/th125/levelscene125-7.html#L7S7)? ;_;
I enjoy the curvy lasers. Even the DS 7-7 Lasers. But then UFO Hard suddenly became, "Wait, Shou, since when did you get so fast?"
Oh, but her final noncard on hard is still simple enough to consistently beat.
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I enjoy the curvy lasers. Even the DS 7-7 Lasers. But then UFO Hard suddenly became, "Wait, Shou, since when did you get so fast?"
Oh, but her final noncard on hard is still simple enough to consistently beat.
Yeah, it's not so much that they curve as it is how fucking fast they are. I find her third nonspell simple too, for the very reason that they're slowest during this attack. All of the lasers generally curve in predictable ways, it's reacting to them that's the problem, since none of them are static (that I can see, anyway).
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Are you taking it from as low on the screen as possible? As obvious as it sounds, my experience with the card involved being able to capture it when I first started, losing the ability when I got cocky and started moving higher up, and going back to a proper capture rate once I went back to cowering at the bottom. Also remember that the very bottom of the screen is safe during even-numbered laser waves.
Yeah, going to the bottom seems to make things easier. But what are you talking about with bottom of the screen being safe during even-numbered waves? Is there some sort of safespot or what?
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It's more like the lowest laser looks like it will cut through, but it won't because you're just outside of the range of it.
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1DNBNBB
Damn Charming Siege :fail:
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Game Overed on Young Demon Lord.
Progress is steady.
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2DNBNBB
Izuna Gongen and Izuna Gongen
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I just lost all 4 of my lives against Rikako in the 'Decisive' Battle on PoDD Lunatic. T-T
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EoSD run broken by S4. Deaths with bombs in stock etc. I'm starting to get used to this.
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EoSD run broken by S4. Deaths with bombs in stock etc. I'm starting to get used to this.
hi5
also I have this urge to try and 1cc UFO lunatic
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4 deaths with multiple bombs
goddamnit
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1DNBNBB in the worst way possible (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srEQroPh6P4)
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Goddamnit Grudge Bow.
I was playing UFO Extra one day and managed to get my best run of Nue.
I ended up with no lives and no bombs as I started Grudge Bow.
I managed to luck through most of it but when she had about this much health left (-----------) I died >:(.
I hate Nue now. :V
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Don't worry. The final phase of Grudge Bow is notorious.
But I haven't captured it yet, either.
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also I have this urge to try and 1cc UFO lunatic
act upon this urge, become the awesome
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1DNB Shou. Died at Complete Clarification again! BUGGER!
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act upon this urge, become the awesome
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt263/BaitySM/ufofinal.gif)
8-8 timeout. With what appears to be WR-level scoring for this scene.
EDIT: Twice.
EDIT 2: Sigh. Only 600k because of corner dancing!Okuu.
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Is complete clarification the one with the spinning X laser? Yeah...
I got the bonus on Grudge Bow
... :D
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Is complete clarification the one with the spinning X laser? Yeah...
That's Vajra of Perfect Buddhism. Complete Clarification is her last card, the horizontal lasers that break into bullets.
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Yet another 1DNB Shou Lunatic. This time i died to Radiant Treasure Gun... this is becoming quite annoying actually. I have had three of these now.
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fuk u kanako u ruined my failrun >:|
in this run i died so many dumb deaths it was miraculous how i even reached kanako. that was mainly through excessive bombing. but she still ruined it with that fucking final spell of hers :|
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It just occurred to me
That I've been through this place again and again
And in the same spot every time I repeatedly die
I never will give up
As I attempt to dodge the nonspells
yet again I die to them.
If I only had enough lives from stage five,
It would make it so much easier to beat this level but
Every time, somehow, every time, somehow
Every time I lose.
I can't defeat Shou.
No matter how I try to dodge all her lasers, she just kills me again
And even though I can bomb everything
It's no use. I try to fight, but I get continue screen in the end.
I shoot as fast as I can,
But when I had to go against Shou's Lasers I was helpless again
I'll try again, of course, but this is my plan
I'll keep my Bombs saved in reserve just as long as I can
It just occurred to me
That her life bar is almost empty again
If I didn't suck so much, I wouldn't have died here
I never will give up
But it's so difficult to navigate this danmaku and
now I see that I'm playing with my final life
If I only had a max bomb guage I'd be fine
It would make it so much easier to fight with Shou but
Every time, somehow, every time, somehow
Every time I lose.
I can't defeat Murasaaa
No matter how I try to dodge her giant anchors, she always kills me again
And even though I can dodge her droplets
It's no use. I try to stay away but she keeps closing in.
I shoot as fast as I can
But when I had to go against Murasa final, I'm helpless again
I'll try again, of course, but this is my plan
I'll keep my bomb saved in reserve just as long as I can
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somehow, UFO lunatic 1cc doesn't seem so bad
st1-3 are learnable, st4 is basically a huge extend farm, st5 could be bombed to death with so many lives and st6 is all about getting a good UFO chain on the stage, then bombing everything.
But I don't want to :/
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Tried out Phantasm since it's been a long time since I last played it.
Failed both runs. One on the survival, the other on BoLaD. Derped the survival on both. Only thing that went right was getting my first Double Death Butterfly capture on one of the two runs. A No Death, No Bomb, or Perfect run will not be happening on this anytime soon. Even the stage part was kicking my ass due to the faster bullets and shot times ruining the Extra strategies. Yukari's first card is terrible. Double Death Butterfly is terrible. Boundary of Humans and Youkai is way harder than Kokkuri-san's Contract, and why the hell can I not safespot BoLaD at all ever since my first ever clear?
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UFO Stage 5 Hard, one death on the third nonspell, survived everything else (with UFOs, of course).
AGHAGHAGH why did that beautiful run have to end so badly?
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I'm out of it
SHIT
It's just like the day when I first started Touhou except the difficulty is Hard and not Normal.
I stopped playing for two weeks and now my playing is crap. I swear I was able to do this stage with only two deaths.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8517
Let's just hope I can get back to where I was with a few more games, else I'll start getting worried. =/
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Back when I got there for the first time, I could do PCB S4 Hard/Lunatic with a life and a stock of bombs. Now above 2 lives/more than 1 stock of bombs. It's probably because after memorizing the stage now I'm just epically screwing up the Prismrivers.
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*I can't defeat Air Man Shou*
Arguably the most clever rage I've seen in this topic.
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I was playing Mountain on a one credit Luna-dick. I got to stage four.
*sigh
I got the bonus on all of Nitori's cards though :D
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ALKDSUFGBNOIDTUQOUFDSAIFUAs
SARIEL
I HAD ONE BAR OF HEALTH LEFT
ONE BAR OF HEALTH AND I WOULD'VE HAD THIS 1CC IN THE BAG
(although there's still her second form but that's cake)
SARIEL YOU SUCK AND YOUR THEME IS BORING TOO GOSH
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ALKDSUFGBNOIDTUQOUFDSAIFUAs
SARIEL
I HAD ONE BAR OF HEALTH LEFT
ONE BAR OF HEALTH AND I WOULD'VE HAD THIS 1CC IN THE BAG
(although there's still her second form but that's cake)
SARIEL YOU SUCK AND YOUR THEME IS BORING TOO GOSH
Strange...I always thought Sariel was a man...Though not a manly one, but still...
The first Touhou game I've played (and so far only one) is SA.
Easy mode: Satori keeps murdering me.
Normal mode: Parsee keeps murdering me.
Hard mode: Never tried it.
Lunatic mode: Kisume ate me.
I admit...I ferociously suck at danmaku...
I just played it for the lolis...
...and Parsee...
But mostly for the lolis and pretty bullets.
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This is a topic to post your stupid fails in Touhou.
Today I was playing against Cirno in EoSD and died.
She really is the strongest isn't she?
Hey there, we already have a rather huge thread to post your Touhou screwups in. I'll merge this thread with that. Please use that thread from now on. ~Matsuri
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First Blind run of IN normal.
woah, not bad, panic bomb'd a few cards in stage 1
Stage 2 went not too bad.
stage 3 didn't go all that well.
Stage 4 Powerful *nonspell* FUCK YOU MARISA!
Stage 5 HOLYCRAP! WHERE ARE MY LIVES (Used max default lives left with three at the end of stage);
Some how Kaguya is unlocked already...
so..
STAGE 6B: F**ed up the beginning. Screwed up Earth In a pot. Ok... final boss... 2 lives 3 bombs....
Messed up/ bomb'd on every nonspell.
Rainbow Danmaku.... OMG HP IS FINALLY GOING DOW-*PEW* *BAD ENDING*
ASDFGHIJKLQNIPXDMIJFKLAJ;FJDAJAFDLKJADFL;KJFDIFHQJIJFQENADNI;DEX!
>:( :fail:
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somehow, UFO lunatic 1cc doesn't seem so bad
st1-3 are learnable, st4 is basically a huge extend farm, st5 could be bombed to death with so many lives and st6 is all about getting a good UFO chain on the stage, then bombing everything.
But I don't want to :/
QFT.
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Great Requiem "Why Does Concerto Grosso Take a Billion Years to Capture"
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A few runs later with Neitherworld team (IN)
>Perfect Stage 1 normul
>ScrewUp LastSpell
>Perfect Stage 2
>ScrewUp LastSpell
>Perfect half stage 3
>1 bomb deathbomb one of keine's spells.
>Stage 4
>init fuckmarisa (somehow I cap'd the BS 2nd nonspell on a previous run and died on the next spell);
>task LoseLives {shotDownPlayer}
>Stage 5
>Screwstage
>ScrewTewi
>Fail Boss
>endstage with 5 lives 3 bombs
>Stage 6
>Screwupintro
>Failinapot
>Init FinalBoss 3lives3bombs
(not too bad, should be able to beat rainbow danmaku)
>fuckupnonspell#1
(Oh fuck...)
>bombnonspell#1
(Oh shit)
>BombSpellcard#1
>PanicBombnonspell#2
>BombSpellCard#- *Death*
(Oh FUCK NO)
>MoarDeath
>INIT SCREW UP ON FINAL NONSPELL
>WHAT? NO!
>UNDO!
>FDIZ...
:colonveeplusalpha:
That was my best run yet... FUAFDJHSDKLJFHASLKJHFLKASHFLKJAHLKDJHLKJHFALKJDHAKJSHLKFJHSAL
Got to practise on stage 5. I still don't find it pisseasy.
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I am getting really good at these 0% deaths (http://imgur.com/NsYME.png)
and here I was 0.01 sec away from finally having all mainline windows extra cleared
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Awww, the challenge Formless has given me is annoying. Timing out Superhuman that is. Reading it is not the problem but i seem to be consistently fuck it up by tapping the movement keys too hard. Fuck that's annoying.
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Microtapping is a skill as well :3c
But I don't want to :/
Do it do it do it do it do it.
Ignoring my terrible (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=163.msg327284#msg327284) Survival-ScoreTM runs (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=163.msg327676#msg327676) which were done recently, I also tried UFO Stage 6 at random with MarisaB. Did a bit of scoring shenanigans, went in against Byakuren and did a 1DNB. What did I die to? The very last second of "LFO/S". And what happened thereafter? I didn't scream for fear of breaking my "quiet shut in person" persona that I've managed to develop (again) in my cottage. I just started breathing very, very heavily for the next 1-2 minutes thinking "what were you doing?".
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Failed a No Bomb Phantasm clear by accidentally bombing her last nonspell. I haven't gotten close since as I keep derping 2 or 3 times on the same easy stuff, which is almost everything in the stage.
The only hard parts of the stage are
Part before the preboss waves because it's a lot faster than Extra, Yukari's first card, Double Death Butterfly, Boundary of Humans and Youkai, Boundary of Life and Death(but that's because Yukari refuses to cooperate)
Instead I'm getting crap like
derp twice on Mesh of Light and Darkness
Derp Xanadu of Straight and Curve
Derp nonspells
Derp Ran Yakumo
Derp on Boundary of Humans and Youkai. I should not be dying 2 or 3 times to this.
Latest run: Derp 3 fucking times on the Ran Yakumo card, capture Boundary of Humans and Youkai for the first time ever, then derp BoLaD twice.
Edit: Died 3 times on Boundary of Life and Death. The rest of the Yukari fight was perfect. Failed the postmidboss section, but I expected that, but what the fuck at 3 deaths on Boundary of Life and Death.
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Score runner's nightmare (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8556). Marisa A. I milk the shit out of Kogasa and Ichirin, doin' well with UFO collecting until stage 5. I miss the crucial blue at the end of the stage because I'm an idiot. I miss the blue UFO at the end of stage 6 Nue as well. Easily 300mil down the drain. I lost all motivation to beat Byakuren, ended 525mil. ;_;
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Another 1DNB MoF stage 4 at "Storm Day".
Goddamnit, I hate that card so much.
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FUCKING CURVY LASERS (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8562)
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which lasers are "curvy" again
funnily enough, the only real hard attack is the one with...STRAIGHT LASERS :V
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I had 9 lives and 3 bombs when I reached Namu-san on Normal.
Then I proceeded to game-over during the last card because... I have no idea what went wrong. I bombed a total of zero times during that fight too.
I think sleep deprivation makes me able to perfect every other stage except the last one. Actually, the stage portion was fine. I just blanked out for some reason during the fight.
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6 deaths, 1 deathbomb, 1 border broken. All 8 of those were derps.
There is some good news in that run. SakuyA actually is good for something. If I don't figure out that one part with SakuyaB, then I can do a Perfect Phantasm with Sakuya assuming I don't completely mess up.
I wouldn't want to go against SakuyaB since I prefer that shottype, but there's nothing in the rules for perfect runs that forbid the use of homing shottypes. :3
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. (http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/untit105.jpg)
Replay upload only on request.
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Broke a border and died on the same nonspell. Broke a border on Double Death Butterfly. Died to Boundary of Life and Death like usual.
Double Death Butterfly and Boundary of Life and Death are the main problems for perfect phantasm for me. The rest is not derping the other stuff.
If I pick SakuyaB instead of SakuyA(which I'll probably try to perfect it with as well if I do it with SakuyA first), then the part after midboss Ran gets me as well.
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holy hellfire, why did it take me five tries to beat Gengetu?
what the crap?
multiple deaths on her first phase?
multiple deaths on her third phase?
five deaths on her fourth?
the hell
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I'm glad I got killed by Double Death Butterfly and BoLaD because otherwise my perfect Phantasm run would have been ruined by dying to Yukari's first spellcard.
Also, I haven't even captured Double Death Butterfly yet with SakuyA, not that it should matter since its about the same capture time as SakuyaB, IIRC.
Also, why the hell am I even trying this when I can't even make a safespot on BoLaD?
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I died while Kogasa was exploding. Twice. At least I've yet to recapture Parasol Star Memories, otherwise I'd be raging even more over such blatant chokes.
And is it just me, or does her second card feel kind of easy?
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My home computer practicly exploded froma virus, taking all my data for Perfect Cherry Blossom, Imperishable Night ANS Subterranean Animism with it!
Not to be rude, but derping Phantasm doesnt seem to compare to losing the game itself and all data with it! FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I wanted to use Linux to run Touhou games under Wine. (Using Ubuntu 10)
Too make a long story short, the entire procedure seems too long and extensive (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5902.0) and TL;DR. And it doesn't guarantee that the game will run. All my Touhous were raped under Wine. =[
UFO didn't even run. And to think I wanted to run Call of Duty on Ubuntu...
And now I removed it, but I cannot restore the drive to a single volume, so I might have to wipe everything. ;_;
XFS File System not recognized by OS X. Shit...
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8565
I HATE LEGENDARY FLYING SAUCER! Look at what that pest did to my run!! Goddammit
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LFO fucks up your best runs but lets you capture it when you've already failed everything else.
I'm currently having trouble with 1) the superdense wave (moving to the sides has a 50/50 success rate) 2) the single red wall that moves very quickly in an almost horizontal manner, and once you've got past that "wall" you have one split second to dodge another two amulets aiming straight at your face.
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I wanted to use Linux to run Touhou games under Wine. (Using Ubuntu 10)
Too make a long story short, the entire procedure seems too long and extensive (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5902.0) and TL;DR. And it doesn't guarantee that the game will run. All my Touhous were raped under Wine. =[
UFO didn't even run.
I've ran it fine:
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/temp/th_2010-05-03-172354_1680x1050_scrot.png) (http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/temp/?action=view¤t=2010-05-03-172354_1680x1050_scrot.png)
I've ran everything but the fighting games and DS under Wine (have never played Double Spoiler, period).
My home computer practicly exploded froma virus, taking all my data for Perfect Cherry Blossom, Imperishable Night ANS Subterranean Animism with it!
You probably could have accessed your data from a Live CD and copied all your data to a flash drive.
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panicbombing just as Mishaguji clears didn't capture it FFFFFFF
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I've ran it fine:
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/temp/th_2010-05-03-172354_1680x1050_scrot.png) (http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/temp/?action=view¤t=2010-05-03-172354_1680x1050_scrot.png)
I've ran everything but the fighting games and DS under Wine (have never played Double Spoiler, period).
WAT HAU DUD YOO DID TAT
Now fullscreen it
Did it work right out of the box? If it did then Ubuntu just hates my hardware for some reason =/
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Chalk up another one for the "UFOs are stupid" club for now. Probably God's way of saying "get back to studying moron!" ::)
(And this is just from the demo. Thank god I didn't put money into it)
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Chalk up another one for the "UFOs are stupid" club for now. Probably God's way of saying "get back to studying moron!" ::)
(And this is just from the demo. Thank god I didn't put money into it)
UFO is not stupid, you need to study it. It's more like "get to studying".
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I'd rather study something actually useful
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I'd rather study something actually useful
This is why I haven't achieved anything in it as of now.
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Tried Hard mode.
Bullshit clipdeath on Ichirn when the battle should have been no death. Screw up midboss Nue, Die 3 times to Murasa. Arrive at Shou 0/0/ Should be obvious what happened then.
Radiant Treasure Gun sucks. But if that hadn't gotten me, it would have been the second nonspell.
Edit:
Capture Super-Water Repelling BS Monster, bomb the train. Capture Cloud World Kraken Strike, clipdeath on her easy as hell nonspell. Die to her final spell. Fuck up midboss Nue again. Screw up Murasa(read: not actually screwing up but clipdeathing) causing me to arrive at Stage 5 with 0/0. Game over on Midboss Nazrin's nonspell.
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WAT HAU DUD YOO DID TAT
Now fullscreen it
Done, I was able to play it ;)
Did it work right out of the box? If it did then Ubuntu just hates my hardware for some reason =/
I needed the DirectX libraries, but as I mentioned in my post in the Linux thread there are easier ways to install them (by using winetricks). AFAIK it should work fine with cards that either the proprietary Nvidia or ATI drivers support. Others I'm not so sure about. I can't remember if Ubuntu enables those drivers for your card by default, when I was using Ubuntu I always used more recent versions of Catalyst/fglrx than what shipped with Ubuntu (I would always wait on those drivers before upgrading to the next Ubuntu release).
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it's kind of funny how every time I think "OK, I'm just hating for hating's sake, it's not that bad, I'm going to go play UFO now" I end up hating the game more every single time.
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What's that one dumbass card Kogasa has? A Spare Umbrella's Monster Night Train?
Hate it...
Completely ruins UFO Lunatic for me..
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What's that one dumbass card Kogasa has?
every
single
fucking
card
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On Hard, the trouble starts with Parasol Star Memories. On Lunatic, it's on Hello Forgotten World.
Tried to capture Sylphae Horn High Level a few more times. Got within like 1 or 2 shots from capture 3 times then got hit, then the other tries I failed so quickly.
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In MoF, Marisa's attacks are either broken or total crap that looked okay only on paper.
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On Hard, the trouble starts with Parasol Star Memories. On Lunatic, it's on Hello Forgotten World.
Tried to capture Sylphae Horn High Level a few more times. Got within like 1 or 2 shots from capture 3 times then got hit, then the other tries I failed so quickly.
Ya know what's totally weird about Hello?
The spaces between the bullets are like six pixels.
On focus, you move like three.
So if you move any more than one frame give or take two then you DIIIIE
Then again, my 1cc Normal was with MarisA, and I tried Lunadick with MarisA as well. Isn't there some flak about Reimu having a smaller hitbox?
So yeah. HFW is a real hit n miss.
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Agh, Parasol Star Memories is still kicking my ass. To anyone with knowledge about it, would Kogasa moving in certain directions make the attack any easier (parasol positioning, perhaps)?
Ya know what's totally weird about Hello?
The spaces between the bullets are like six pixels.
On focus, you move like three.
So if you move any more than one frame give or take two then you DIIIIE
Then again, my 1cc Normal was with MarisA, and I tried Lunadick with MarisA as well. Isn't there some flak about Reimu having a smaller hitbox?
So yeah. HFW is a real hit n miss.
That's why you go diagonally down into the bottom of the screen - you move less horizontally. Trust me, Hello Forgotten World (Lunatic) will be a cakewalk once you do that.
And yes, Reimu's had a smaller hitbox at least since EoSD (don't know about the PC98 games).
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since PCB. Reimu and Marisa have the same hitbox size in EoSD. Not sure about PC98 though, but I'm sure it was the same too.
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holy hellfire I hate UFO
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ARGH I swear I'm gonna tie up Byakuren
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8590
And I did insanely well. Almost MAX lives by end of Stage 3.
I don't bomb/deathbomb because I never expect to get hit. Maybe I'll do it this time...
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In MoF, Marisa's attacks are either broken or total crap that looked okay only on paper.
unless you have a Gradius fetish
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ARGH I swear I'm gonna tie up Byakuren
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8590
And I did insanely well. Almost MAX lives by end of Stage 3.
I don't bomb/deathbomb because I never expect to get hit. Maybe I'll do it this time...
It's only possible (the earliest) to max out your lives during the interrim of stage four. It's either before or after the Nue encounter, depending on how fast you work.
You should learn how to bomb on reflex. Strangely UFO feels like it has the largest deathbombing window (bar IN) so it shouldn't be that hard. After a while you develop an instinct of what will hit you and what won't.
@Funen1
Doesn't that allow her to stick you in the corner where you are left with no choice but to dodge anyway?
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WHAT THE HELLLLLLLL
I was unable to get up to Koakuma without ragequitting
ragequitting only happens if I die three or more times with three bombs in stock
THE HELL
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It's only possible (the earliest) to max out your lives during the interrim of stage four.
I did it. Max Lives by end of Stage 3.
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I did it. Max Lives by end of Stage 3.
Really?
That's interesting. You get, what, 8 life pieces from bosses, and shoot down 10-ish UFOs?
Wait, are life pieces in this game fraction four or fraction five?
Or maybe I died at some point and am merely blocking out the memory..
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Ya know what's totally weird about Hello?
The spaces between the bullets are like six pixels.
On focus, you move like three.
So if you move any more than one frame give or take two then you DIIIIE
Then again, my 1cc Normal was with MarisA, and I tried Lunadick with MarisA as well. Isn't there some flak about Reimu having a smaller hitbox?
So yeah. HFW is a real hit n miss.
Warning: Random rough calculations included with some factual information.
~16 in actuality between each bullets counting from the bottom of the screen, ~18-22 if you're counting hitboxes only. This number may actually vary depending on Kogasa's position relative to the vertical position. Hitboxes vary in "width" from ~4-7 pixels (4, 5 and 7 for R,S and M in that order... IIRC). Focus movement is 2 Px / Frame, ~1.41 if you're moving diagonally downwards. Assuming that you're in between two bullets, you technically have something like 7-9 Px per side for movement Each frame consists of ~0.0165 seconds. You have at least 4 frames assuming that you're starting from the middle; for tapping a button (that is, pressing and releasing it) ~0.065 seconds isn't too unreasonable. For the record, I can do it No Focus with Reimu / Sanae while pressing down at the same time (resulting speed is ~3.2 Px / Frame) with moderate (read: 50%) consistency; that's 2, maybe 3 frames worth of space. To quote:
Microtapping is a skill as well :3c
Really?
That's interesting. You get, what, 8 life pieces from bosses, and shoot down 10-ish UFOs?
Wait, are life pieces in this game fraction four or fraction five?
Or maybe I died at some point and am merely blocking out the memory..
At the end of Stage 3, it's 6 pieces from the Bosses. Number of UFOs varies, but ~10 seems about right. For the sake of argument, let's assume 6. 6 (Red) UFOs -> 3 lives. 6 Fragments -> 3 lives. 6 lives + your base 2 = 8. And that's 6 of the 10 possible Red UFOs. And it's per 4.
And before anybody even complains "but lunatic doesn't let me get those UFOs" I'm going to say bomb. Turn two of those into Greens (very possible) and you'd still be getting 8, which translates to 4. Of course, assuming that they're full.
Oh, and I'm playing terribly today.
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Today is no touhou day.
I make the most retarded deaths all over.
Also I reached stage 6 on mof only to game over on rice porridge.
And Stage 6 pcb (finally after a quadzillion chenderpdeaths 1/2 alicedeaths and a prisreevers battle that finally went my way - sort of after bombspamming in the opener) and then clipped yuyuko's opener OAME GVER DERPDERPDERPDERPDERPDERPDERP
and finally YOUMU YOU'RE TOO SOFT STOP WALLING ME!
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Really?
That's interesting. You get, what, 8 life pieces from bosses, and shoot down 10-ish UFOs?
Wait, are life pieces in this game fraction four or fraction five?
Or maybe I died at some point and am merely blocking out the memory..
Here:
Totally making a statement here. UFO should be one of the easiest Touhous around, but most people seem to agree it's not.
Spoiler: The UFO system actually makes the game easier.
http://tsundereworks.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/maxlivesstage3.png <Nobu> Linked due to 150kb image size limit.
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8592 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8592)
:barf:
UFO VOMITS EXTENDS YOU GUYS
The idea is to only go for reds. Milk them and then kill them. You do this twice and beat the midboss and you already got an extra life.
You can even go over the maximum. I'm not sure if UFO keeps track of that though. I don't think SA did.
And hell yes~ 0.000% Slowdown Rate
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UFO VOMITS EXTENDS YOU GUYS
UFO theoretically vomits extends. Not quite fair that you (from what I can tell, someone who's aiming for Lunatic 1ccs) are playing Normal for this demonstration. Speaking as a Lunatic player playing Lunatic*, it's unreliable to expect to be able to pick up every UFO that appears. Significant wall sections occur during Stage 2 and Stage 3, which prevent your ability to be able to collect UFOs, allow UFOs to absorb items, destroy UFOs efficiently, and grab the spoils. If I had a nickel for every time I ended Stage 2 by summoning a red UFO, letting it fill, getting streamed away from it so I can't grab the star, then having it leave before I could destroy it, I'd have a room full of Touhou plushies to console me after my failures. Stage 3 impedes the process as well with the post-midboss arrow wall fairies, and the pre-boss streamfuck, both of which require proper execution to survive, and going even slightly out of your way to grab that stray UFO, or to try to destroy one, can be all it takes to get you killed. Sure, you can bomb, but that only goes so far until you have to start suiciding for more bombs (which counteracts the extend-vomiting point you're trying to make), plus, unless you're MarisaB**, it can be easy to destroy a UFO prematurely, losing you that second star. And this is just pointing out sections where I already expect problems to occur. This doesn't account for just plain screwing up and grazing some UFO for no reason and getting myself killed by flying into a bullet wall in an attempt to grab that UFO.
*Sure, lower difficulties might be more fair and not wall you so much, but if you're a Normal player playing Normal, it can look just as intimidating as being a Lunatic player playing Lunatic, which makes it equally difficult for them.
**Krim Inc. is not responsible for homicidal/suicidal rage induced by use of the MarisaB shottype.
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Krim: If you haven't already watched it (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8115), my
infamous run where I make it to Syou 8/9 and clear with 0 lives remaining due to a critical failure.
Barring the obvious mistake, max lives by the end of Stage 3 still looks possible to me, even on Lunatic. ReimuA half speed bomb isn't even a proper liability as well; you may have to use 1-2 extra bombs though.
I can probably whip up a ReimuA one if you wish (though, not right now of course).
**Krim Inc. is not responsible for homicidal/suicidal rage induced by use of the MarisaB shottype.
Don't be hating on the One True Shot Type man :<
Also it probably goes without saying that image destroyed my bandwidth. I know you people like your high quality stuff but keep them thumbnailed / linked.
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I usually go for max bombs before Kogasa then start going for Reds late stage 3 or stage 4, and I can consistently get to stage 5, and I still derp a lot and never get midboss Nue's extend because I die with lots of bombs in stock, costing me effectively 2 lives.
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Barring the obvious mistake, max lives by the end of Stage 3 still looks possible to me, even on Lunatic.
I wasn't arguing that it was impossible, but that it's simply quite difficult, to the extent that if you can get that many extends, you probably don't actually need that many extends.
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@Funen1
Doesn't that allow her to stick you in the corner where you are left with no choice but to dodge anyway?
Don't know what you mean by corner. Going diagonally down into the bottom means holding down, then when you need to move left/right, tap left/right.
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UFOs don't vomit extends
it's a fucking extend diarrhea
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Don't know what you mean by corner. Going diagonally down into the bottom means holding down, then when you need to move left/right, tap left/right.
It takes roughly 15 seconds to MarisA her HFW card, right? She emits a constant (four seconds?) stream of bullets that I avoid by going at an oblique angle, yes, but that leads to me being pushed down and right/left into the border of the screen.
UFOs don't vomit extends
it's a fucking extend diarrhea
It is...
@GreenVirus
Count me corrected. Sorry ppl.
Warning: Random rough calculations included with some factual information.
~16 in actuality between each bullets counting from the bottom of the screen, ~18-22 if you're counting hitboxes only. This number may actually vary depending on Kogasa's position relative to the vertical position. Hitboxes vary in "width" from ~4-7 pixels (4, 5 and 7 for R,S and M in that order... IIRC). Focus movement is 2 Px / Frame, ~1.41 if you're moving diagonally downwards. Assuming that you're in between two bullets, you technically have something like 7-9 Px per side for movement Each frame consists of ~0.0165 seconds. You have at least 4 frames assuming that you're starting from the middle; for tapping a button (that is, pressing and releasing it) ~0.065 seconds isn't too unreasonable. For the record, I can do it No Focus with Reimu / Sanae while pressing down at the same time (resulting speed is ~3.2 Px / Frame) with moderate (read: 50%) consistency; that's 2, maybe 3 frames worth of space. To quote:
Wow. I was just estimating, but I had no idea that anybody would ever care to figure out O_o
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It takes roughly 15 seconds to MarisA her HFW card, right? She emits a constant (four seconds?) stream of bullets that I avoid by going at an oblique angle, yes, but that leads to me being pushed down and right/left into the border of the screen.
Mind if I see a replay? I guess I'm still a bit confused at your description.
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Mind if I see a replay? I guess I'm still a bit confused at your description.
Unfortunately not. I busted out my computer's RAM and video output.
I'm interneting with iPod.
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UFOs may vomit extends, but I waste far more chasing after them and then getting walled by static spam.
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UFO's difficulty behaves weirdly when compared to the other games. The reason?
If you are sufficiently skilled to take on the stage patterns while also chaining UFOs properly, you'll get an incredible influx of resources, making the game much easier. Until you have reached that level for the given difficulty, you will have a really hard time. If you made a graph showing the skill level of the player against the actual performance in UFO, there would be a very noticeable bend at that point that other touhou games don't have. This effect is only strengthened by the fact that you lose one whole option every time you die.
Thus if you can barely clear other lunatics (like me), you will get ravaged by UFO lunatic. If you can clear other Lunatics with lots of spare resources, UFO will seem even easier by comparison.
Q.E.D.
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Almost 1ccd EoSD Normal yesterday! Im mad again now because of the mention of diffuculty and flucnuation! Grrrr! I got 1/2 way throught Remi's last spell and got caved in a corner grrrr!
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GAME OVER ON SCARLET GENSOKYO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHH
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Barring the obvious mistake, max lives by the end of Stage 3 still looks possible to me, even on Lunatic. ReimuA half speed bomb isn't even a proper liability as well; you may have to use 1-2 extra bombs though.
You can hit max lives at midboss Ichirin. Or, that's the earliest I have. One bomb to kill a UFO only because I spawned it too early, so it's very possible with no bombs.
I wasn't arguing that it was impossible, but that it's simply quite difficult, to the extent that if you can get that many extends, you probably don't actually need that many extends.
Not very difficult (considering), you just need a good route. The problem is, you don't want lives for stage 4, you want them for stages 5 and 6. All those UFOs on stage 4 will go to waste. More reason to try scoring :V
UFO's difficulty behaves weirdly when compared to the other games. The reason?
If you are sufficiently skilled to take on the stage patterns while also chaining UFOs properly, you'll get an incredible influx of resources, making the game much easier. Until you have reached that level for the given difficulty, you will have a really hard time. If you made a graph showing the skill level of the player against the actual performance in UFO, there would be a very noticeable bend at that point that other touhou games don't have.
Thus if you can barely clear other lunatics (like me), you will get ravaged by UFO lunatic. If you can clear other Lunatics with lots of spare resources, UFO will seem even easier by comparison.
Q.E.D.
Listen to this man.
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I have reached boss!Ichirin 8/8 before, so I know it's very much possible :V
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I am SICK of makeshift walls forming on me! First UNR's "fallout" bullets completely close off the already small spaces between suns, then a freaking vertical line (seriously) of butterflies in DBDB appearing from behind another mass before I can react to them.
Fucking randomness.
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UFO theoretically vomits extends. Not quite fair that you (from what I can tell, someone who's aiming for Lunatic 1ccs) are playing Normal for this demonstration. Speaking as a Lunatic player playing Lunatic*, it's unreliable to expect to be able to pick up every UFO that appears.
*...
*Sure, lower difficulties might be more fair and not wall you so much, but if you're a Normal player playing Normal, it can look just as intimidating as being a Lunatic player playing Lunatic, which makes it equally difficult for them.
I would have done it in Lunatic if I could, but isn't there the same amount of UFO's regardless of difficulty level? Hell, I was even thinking about doing it on Easy.
Doing this is very difficult, but like anything else in Touhou, it's not impossible, regardless of what difficulty you're playing at. Difficulty is only relative to how much experience the player has. You already know this, though. It's in your post.
Krim: If you haven't already watched it (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8115), my infamous run where I make it to Syou 8/9 and clear with 0 lives remaining due to a critical failure.
Totally watching that/
I have reached boss!Ichirin 8/8 before, so I know it's very much possible :V
Okay, hitting max lives is one thing... but also max bombs? Do you have a replay?
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Okay, this thread should totally go back to shape. I'm out of things to say at the moment, but at this rate, it'll be the "UFO Bitching/Whining Thread"
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Okay, this thread should totally go back to shape. I'm out of things to say at the moment, but at this rate, it'll be the "UFO Bitching/Whining Thread"
It tends to be. In fact, it's tended to be such since UFO came out. :/
EDIT:
HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR EXAlice
HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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I'm out of things to say at the moment, but at this rate, it'll be the "UFO Bitching/Whining Thread"
Why do you think I named the thread what I did? :3
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gdi ufo lunatic
gdi umbrellas
gdi train
gdi stage 3
gdi wallpound
gdi random shitfest of stage 4
gdi murasa nonspells
gdi shou
gdi shou
gdi shou
gdi shou
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SDZ,JBFGJKsaDGHFJKSHADBVGFJKSBGADFJKSBGADKJFHSDKFHSBGAKJDBFGKASJDFHBKSJABFJASDBHFJKSDBHFSDHABVFJKDBVFJKASDVHSHADVKFJSHABVDJHSAVDKFJSHAVDKFJHSABVDKFJBHASDKJFSBAKDJFBHSAKJDBFHSAKJDFHBVSAKUDJBVFGULAWEHYFLSJDBHFKLBFKLSJBNABDHABDFKLJSABDF
THAT DID NOT HIT ME
IT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE
GODDAMNIT ALL
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THAT DID NOT HIT ME
IT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE
GODDAMNIT ALL
The next time that happens, save a replay of the run and watch it. Seriously.
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SO CLOSE
With only this much left in Byakuren's life bar: (About to capture her last card hot damn)
"-------------------------------"
And I died. http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8611 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8611)
Here lies the memories of Reimu B, who sought to 1cc UFO Normal and failed.
Meanwhile, I made Ran make me a sammich. After that, I will try again.
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gdi ufo lunatic
gdi umbrellas
gdi train
gdi stage 3
gdi wallpound
gdi random shitfest of stage 4
gdi murasa nonspells
gdi shou
gdi shou
gdi shou
gdi shou
st4 stage portion is pretty simple tbh
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More UFO Hard. Too many derps.
Also, Scarlet Meister(fangame), what the fuck is this? Made it to Stage 3 of Easy but derped some, but still, this is supposed to be Easy mode. Normal doesn't seem that bad on the first stage either, but I keep messing it up. Hard/Lunatic, what the fuck?
I wouldn't be surprised if even the best players here couldn't 1cc this fangame on Hard/Lunatic.
Also, Concealed the Conclusion. How do I stop sucking?
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I'm glad Subterranean Sun killed me, otherwise it would have been a perfect run ruined by Utsuho not fucking dying in time at the end of her second nonspell.
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Killing Doll is being a bitch! How i am i supposed to read which directions those knives are gonna be headed if they all bundle on top of each other? I dunno who said the knives had crappy hitboxes, what i know is that hitbox problems is not what kills me here. Its reading issues. Moo...
That card would be better if Sakuya's random movement wasn't capable of doubling the difficulty of it.
What's worse is: For this entire day (5 Stage 5 runs of EoSD) i haven't been able to capture her mid-boss spell at all. That's usually pretty easy for me! Meh.
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Have you ever found yourself 1cc'ing a Touhou on normal, and thinking to yourself, "huh, that was easy"
until later you realize FML IT REALLY WAS EASY. EASY MODE
though this really only happens on PoFV, since all the other games have different cards for each difficulty
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I think I'm finally understanding just how much luckshit Parasol Star Memories is. Yet another problem I have with randomness: when cards are this insane, it almost feels like instead of "you captured the card", it's more "the card let you capture it" (please note how I worded these; it matters).
That one PSM capture I had - you know, the one I got on my fifth ever attempt - was it just a fluke after all? It no longer feels like an accomplishment when it's not even me capturing the card, but me just getting lucky.
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ARGHGHG Had the shittiest MOF playthrough EVER.
(Normal)
Awesome scoring tactics until stage 3. Intro. Death.
(9)'d Nitori's 1st nonspell (which is practically unfaillable until she walls you)
Died as Nitori's final was asploding.
Panic Bomb'd aya's survival on the last second (damn so close to capture ayayayayaya)
Derp'd Over (9) 000 times on Sanae.
Somehow reached Kanako and Game ovar'd on her 2nd last spell.
also FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O_oMUaKt2Y) this link goes to another run
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit106.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=490&u=12803292)
And here I was, just a few moments ago, rejoicing over discovering a new scoring route. Want to know what happened? I died 4 times on Stage 4. With limited resources due to scoring, it obviously hurt me a lot more.
Sigh. Going to try again later.
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Damn it...thanks to Sanae I realized that I will absolutely not 1cc normal any Touhou game not named Imperishable Night...
Gotta love how MoF likes to reward your attempts to not bomb everything that moves with goddamned clipdeaths.
Also, why the hell is Nazrin`s very first spellcard (Rare Metal Detector) so damn hard? UFO is the only game where my finger gets twitchy to bomb the very first goddamned spellcard. It reminds me of Hina`s Bad Fortune, where I have to focus on multiple bullet lines, but this is Stage 1 damn it...
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit107.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=491&u=12803292)
FFS I'm stopping.
EDIT: Tempted to open up Stage Practice. Walled by Stage 6 Nue for unknown reasons (I assume that certain fairies didn't go pop), lost a life and yeah. Stupid way to go out, isn't it?
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Hmm... So far scenario D in CtC seems to be the hardest scenario by far.
Alice alone is harder than the stage 5 boss, I'm not even joking.
Also look what somebody recreated:
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5300/ffffffffffffff.th.png) (http://img517.imageshack.us/i/ffffffffffffff.png/)
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(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5300/ffffffffffffff.th.png) (http://img517.imageshack.us/i/ffffffffffffff.png/)
oh HELLLLLLLLLL NO
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I'm having an easier time beating Suwako than I am Kanako. I can have the same number of lives and everything, but I just got my ass kicked by Kanako twice and I've beaten Suwako a half-dozen times now.
What the hell? Why am I picking up all the crappy deaths all of the sudden? I used to fly through EoSD without so much as using a bomb until stage 4. Now I die on average THREE times before reaching Patchy? That's total crap.
ReimuA is the most terribly designed weapon for EoSD's extra stage. Underpowered homing amulets that don't home in on Flandre during Cranberry Trap and Four of a Kind? Oh, sign me right up!
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This. Why the heck homing Reimu is so crappy in the one game I would really like to use her - SA? Auto item collection is quite useful though.
On a side note: is Marisa C (Nitori support) a good shottype? It reminds me of the old good magic missile, and the bomb lasts long plus it gives you 0.50 power if you survive AND pulling off a deathbomb means another border for free. Saved me a lot of times when I felt I`m not gonna make it and allowed me to actually try.
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MarisaC is the worst shot in the game. Not only that, she gets the hardest Satori fight in the game.
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st4 stage portion is pretty simple tbh
Red yin-yang orbs spam and purple pillars say hi.
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5300/ffffffffffffff.th.png) (http://img517.imageshack.us/i/ffffffffffffff.png/)
This looks so strange yet so familiar :/
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MarisaC is the worst shot in the game. Not only that, she gets the hardest Satori fight in the game.
Reimu A's fight is much more harder imo because of Double Death Butterfly (0/42) and Border of Wave and Particle (35/42). That shit on Lunatic burns my eyes.
*Histories are for Normal.
At least Marisa C is manageable, and the Spell Card reminds me of the Supernatural Border from PCB. Ahh, I love that.
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The bomb system in Touhou 10. Makes me rage that I have to sacrifice my firepower for it.
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Reimu A's fight is much more harder imo because of Double Death Butterfly (0/42) and Border of Wave and Particle (35/42). That shit on Lunatic burns my eyes.
I'll give you DBDB, that's legitimately hard. But BoWaP is static - you learn it, and it becomes a piece of cake. Not only that, the Lunatic version has exactly the same pattern as on Hard (faster, but bullet layout is the same). So you don't even have to worry about losing your eyesight learning Lunatic's pattern - just prepare yourself on Hard first.
I can't really say much about MarisaC's Satori fight - I only ever use ReimuA.
The bomb system in Touhou 10. Makes me rage that I have to sacrifice my firepower for it.
Except it's extremely easy to regain your Power in MoF. You can often get a big chunk of it back from stuff the bomb auto-collects, removing some of the work you need to do while you're still invincible.
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I think I'm finally understanding just how much luckshit Parasol Star Memories is. Yet another problem I have with randomness: when cards are this insane, it almost feels like instead of "you captured the card", it's more "the card let you capture it" (please note how I worded these; it matters).
That one PSM capture I had - you know, the one I got on my fifth ever attempt - was it just a fluke after all? It no longer feels like an accomplishment when it's not even me capturing the card, but me just getting lucky.
It's not really ls though.
If you stay in the same place you are trap. Attempt again but this time without fail.
Moving right and left actually will help you.
The bomb system in Touhou 10. Makes me rage that I have to sacrifice my firepower for it.
Stock bombs admittedly are much better.oh HELLLLLLLLLL NO
What is that?
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What is that?
Judging by the screenshot, a replication of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT_BbsULgKw#t=1m20s).
Alternatively, it may be a replication of ~*~The Books~*~, but the fading in circles and single-layered circles appear to disagree with me. Well, a comfirmation / clarification should solve things.
/selfplug
EDIT: Oh look, a new way to safespot Ichirin (not Lunatic apparently) without requiring the precision as per the 'original' method, but still retaining a rather large portion of graze. I'm surprised I didn't see this sooner. For the interested (http://score.royalflare.net/th12/replay12/th12_ud072b.rpy).
EDIT 2: Oh look, now because I've been playing on Hard so much, I've almost forgotten everything about Lunatic! Hooray!
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It's not really ls though.
If you stay in the same place you are trap. Attempt again but this time without fail.
Moving right and left actually will help you.
I do hope you're talking about the Lunatic version, because Hard is actually not that bad.
Of course I'm moving around. The problem is parasols and random bullets keep walling off every path I can take (and yes, I'm also moving off the bottom when it gets dangerous, but I still get walled higher up). Not to mention Kogasa's random movements make this happen much more often than I'd like. Why ZUN brought that feature back, I have absolutely no idea.
Not sure what "Attempt again but this time without fail" means. Unless that's saying "capture it again".
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Judging by the screenshot, a replication of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT_BbsULgKw#t=1m20s).
Alternatively, it may be a replication of ~*~The Books~*~, but the fading in circles and single-layered circles appear to disagree with me. Well, a comfirmation / clarification should solve things.
Yeah, it's a complete reference to the LLS rings of death.
However after having done it a few times, it's not nearly as bad as the original (it's actually dodgeable), there's also a lot more room between the bullets in the rings.
It still scared the crap out of me the first time I saw it though. :blush:
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I do hope you're talking about the Lunatic version, because Hard is actually not that bad.
Of course I'm moving around. The problem is parasols and random bullets keep walling off every path I can take (and yes, I'm also moving off the bottom when it gets dangerous, but I still get walled higher up). Not to mention Kogasa's random movements make this happen much more often than I'd like. Why ZUN brought that feature back, I have absolutely no idea.
Not sure what "Attempt again but this time without fail" means. Unless that's saying "capture it again".
Marisa A
Easy 04/ 05
Normal 22/ 23
Hard 02/ 02
Lunatic 07/ 07
Hard mode spawns three of those balls, right?
And lunatic spawns five.
If you switch sides of the screen between destroyed parasols then it comes down to not hitting the initial red swirl of bullets. And Kogasa only throws, what, three of those per direction?
You are going to get trapped every now and then but after a few fractions of a second they'll move out of the way.
Those hitboxes are smaller than I take them for :Oa
The quote- "Try harder"
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Oh ye gods, CtC!Eirin's last spell is garbage.
The quote- "Try harder"
Well, to be fair, PSM's difficulty really depends on what shottype you're using.
The difficulty can range from trivial to feasible to downright impossible.
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I was using Laser Marisa. :/
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I was using Laser Marisa. :/
Piercing is a really helpful ability to have on a card like this.
Also, her unfocused shot is pretty wide at 4.00 power which helps for taking out umbrella's coming from the sides.
I never actually said that MarisaA fell in the "trivial" category.
I don't remember exactly what shottypes go where.
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I can tell you where Reimu A fits in there. *shakes fist* I could have perfected Kogasa so many times by now if it weren't for that freaking card.
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Gameovered on Yuka's Last Phase on LLS Hard.
How do you even do that? I just saw a wall coming at me.
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Gameovered to Nue's final fairy wave in stage 6. Just before Byakuren...
Fuck you Nue.
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Yeah, I was using ReimuA for PSM. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't ReimuB (and possibly MarisaB) have it worse?
And Mister Sanity, don't forget the much longer lanes (even though they have two small gaps in them) on Lunatic. Oh God the restrictions...
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I don't know where the heck my playing ability has gone today. Died to Well-Bucket-Dropping-Monster FOUR times in a row. And then when I finally got past that, died 3 times to Yamame. Next attempt, died to the orbs right before midboss-Parsee, which I'm pretty sure have never ever hit me before, and then to the faeries immediately afterwards, which have ALSO never hit me before. Tried extra, and died 2 times to Sanae. I decided at that point, that I was better off not playing Touhou anymore today T.T
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I can tell you where Reimu A fits in there. *shakes fist* I could have perfected Kogasa so many times by now if it weren't for that freaking card.
Actually, I believe ReimuA is one of the best shottypes to use for "PSM". :V
As for ReimuB, it's completely impossible for her to capture it unless you safespot it.
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PSM has a safespot ? :V
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I just learned that there was a extreamly better way to capture Red Oni Blue Oni, almost the complete opposite of what I have been doing.
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PSM has a safespot ? :V
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4677/th010.th.png) (http://img294.imageshack.us/i/th010.png/)
Go in the space between Kogasa's hitbox and the spawning bullets.
It's really tricky to do and I wouldn't really recommend it.
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Gameovered on Yuka's Last Phase on LLS Hard.
How do you even do that? I just saw a wall coming at me.
It's static, and there are tiny gaps that you have to memorize. Still, it is utterly impossible to learn unless you savestate abuse (which I really need to do someday).
Also, Kogasa's safespot is her legs. Ha ha old chap!
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Actually, I believe ReimuA is one of the best shottypes to use for "PSM". :V
As for ReimuB, it's completely impossible for her to capture it unless you safespot it.
ReimuA is 3rd best due to raw cutting power. MarisaA snaps this Spell Card in half so easily, and SanaeB has collateral damage going for her. You would think MarisaB has something going on due to spread + a decent overall damage count but there isn't unfortunately.
Oh, and ReimuB (http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/untit108.jpg). The only reason why the History is that low is because of my ~50 timeout attempts, pacifist runs, etc. :<
Gameovered on Yuka's Last Phase on LLS Hard.
How do you even do that? I just saw a wall coming at me.
Static, but just bomb. Even ZUN says the attack is way over the top in the comments found on the disk. I haven't seen the attack on Hard for quite some time now but I'll assume it retains the same viciousness relative to the difficulty.
Also, Kogasa's safespot is her legs. Ha ha, old chap!
Well, where else do you expect the safespot to be? :V
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The funny thing about Namu-san's curvy lazors is the fact that I would have made it through without losing a life if I didn't move for the last couple seconds of the card. There is nothing to blame except myself this time.
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Are you serious?
(http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz205/Clear3/bull.jpg?t=1273366532)
This is my Hard mode no-card run with Youmu's Story in SWR, I have soooo many problems with this. Tenshi is alright, but if I just didn't lose a life back in Stage 3, I would have been fine.
First of all, am I the only one who absolutely HATES Yukari's first card? I don't know, but whatever reason, I either fly too high or too low, or I mess up on the last circle of bullets and have to sit through another 10 seconds of the same shit.
The second card is alright, until you get hit with one of those bullets, get knocked back to where Yukari is going appear, since you can't graze the death wheel, I lost a life there. If that doesn't do me in, Flying Insect's Nest will, that shit should not drain my spirit that fast. I watched some videos and found that you can fly above the line of fire and use your 2B bullets and aim down, but that is HARD to do.
I think it is Youmu's and Alice's Story on Hard that I can't 1cc without cards. Someone can offer me some advice?
Oh, and PSM Safespot? Sweet, how do you get in there without bombs? Is it there as soon as it starts? But what do you mean by tricky? (and yea, I don't expect anything less for her weakness to be there, lol)
And the CtC last word you speak off... Almagest or Life Pulse?
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Oh, and ReimuA (http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/untit108.jpg).
>Ｂタイプ
pff well then
All this talk about safespots is showing me your true colors, gents. Wussies >: |
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But the card is total luckshit in the first place.
Also, wouldn't the safespot just be moving due to Kogasa's random movements? Have fun with that.
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Safespotting is way too tiresome, real wussies use the chickenbomb.
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>Ｂタイプ
pff well then
All this talk about safespots is showing me your true colors, gents. Wussies >: |
YOU SAW NOTHING.
Also, this. Only time you should really be safespotting is when you're playing for score, really. Cowards :V
Also, wouldn't the safespot just be moving due to Kogasa's random movements? Have fun with that.
Yes it would. But it's still easy to move around in anyways; the trajectories of the umbrellas make it so that they (almost?) never cross into the zone unless you get unlucky; I'm talking extremely unlucky here. That, and the safespot is... larger than what one would initially think.
The safespot can be reached... as soon as the battle starts really; it exists right from the get-go with the first non-spell. Or, you can be a master of timing out clearing the attack in such a way that you can move up the screen as Kogasa declares.
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Touhou PCB Extra:
So I capture all of Chen's cards.
And I capture all of Ran's cards until her timeout card comes along.
BAM 7 Deaths. And I couldn't even use the goddamn bombs. <Sakuya A>
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/ds1210.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=493&u=12803292)
Comparison (http://score.royalflare.net/th125/levelscene125-9.html#L9S3).
EDIT:
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit109.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=494&u=12803292)(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit110.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=495&u=12803292)
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I just lost out on a 1 billion plus score in Phantasm because I chickened out and bombed the fourth phase of Bounded Field. I've never felt comfortable doing it in PCB and reckoned that bomb + card bonus would be worth less overall than a lost life. Didn't realise until after the final scores tallied up that I had beaten my previous high score and would have probably beaten the 1b mark if I hadn't bombed.
I daren't watch the replay in case I was okay. I didn't even think my score would be that good, since I had to bomb DBDB and BoLaD and didn't get borders at the right times during Zen Temple. I can't even say it was a no death run because I died to the last wave of pellets before the Yukari fight even started.
URGH.
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Have you ever found yourself 1cc'ing a Touhou on normal, and thinking to yourself, "huh, that was easy"
until later you realize FML IT REALLY WAS EASY. EASY MODE
though this really only happens on PoFV, since all the other games have different cards for each difficulty
Happened to me on my first try on PoD.D.
Due to that mistake I now refuse to play it on any difficulty except Lunatic :V
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Made it to "Young Demon Lord" on a no bombs 1cc attempt.
Goddamnit those 3 deaths on Sakuya should not have happened!
Caught "Killing Doll", caught "Eternal Meek", survived the stage 4 end of stage spam with ReimuA.
Bawww... :(
And the CtC last word you speak off... Almagest or Life Pulse?
Oh ye gods, CtC!Eirin's last spell is garbage.
Anyway, CtC scenario B showcase should be up tomorrow.
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So uh...
I Unlocked Phantasm.
& WTF Even SA Extra is harder than this.
Touhou Difficulty is all over the place, where Normals are Easy, Easy are Normal, Extras are Lunatics, Phantasm is Hard, Hard is Normal, Lunatic is Bullshit. Lunatic UFO has it's own special place.
I notice a HUGE different from PCB Hard than from PCB Lunatic. Like this:
Easy
Normal
Hard
Lunatic
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zun really exaggerated the extra/phantasm difficulty descriptions, phantasm is basically extra with some tweaks
sometimes lunatic is easy, sometimes it's borderline possible
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MarisA Patchouli is such bullshit.
I would never attempt a no bombs 1cc on most(if not all of the games). Especially not EoSD. MarisA gets it so bad. You already have a almost 100% chance of death on the books. Then 5 almost 100% chance deaths on Patchouli, possibly more than that. Not much margin for error with Marisa considering you're only allowed to die 8 times.
Actually, if I were to attempt one, it would be MoF. IN would be possible too if I wasn't terrible at Marisa.
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Thought it would be a great idea to touch up some scores before moving back up.
[10:35] <Baity> @calc 600*525
[10:35] <@Keine> Baity: 315000
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Screenshot relevant.
EDIT:
Then 5 almost 100% chance deaths on Patchouli, possibly more than that.
I see one, maybe two myself. Three is the hard cap though.
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While we're on topic of EoSD, AGHAGHAGH EoSD!
There's so many things wrong with EoSD's gameplay, it's a complete mystery why I'm even getting urges to play this game at all. Doing so only makes me rage at it even more than the last time. Hell, even UFO is better than this luckshit game.
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UFO has so much more luckshit than EOSD.
EoSD just has
Books, PrePatchouli fairies(ReimuA), Patchouli(only ReimuB and MarisA), Stage 5, Killing Doll, Eternal Meek, Remilia spells
UFO has
Kogasa, Stage 2 second half can be, Stage 3 random wallshit, Ichirin, Murasa's last spellcard before the survival occasionally cheapshots you too, Stage 5 second half, Shou, Byakuren first spell and some nonspells.
If we include the Extras, then midboss Kogasa is more luckshit than Patchouli who is pretty much fair. EoSD's stage is so much worse than UFO's.
Edit: How the hell could I forget Murasa's second spellcard. That thing is bullshit.
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I trust UFO's bullet hitboxes way more than EoSD's (not counting any additive blending here). I suppose one could get used to the fact that they're bigger, if the game's hitbox detection didn't feel so fucking inconsistent. Not just metal-fatigue bulllets, all kinds. I swear, I get noticeably closer to their centers on certain runs than on others.
As for your list, it only looks like UFO has more luckshit, except you apparently condensed larger portions of the game into a few words. Think, you say an entire stage is luckshit in EoSD, yet UFO doesn't have anything like that (parts are, but not the whole). Listing "Remilia's spells" also includes a bunch of attacks, some of them the hardest cards in the series (because they're so badly designed, I might add). And I think you forgot Patchouli - it feels like every shottype has at least one bullshit card (maybe except ReimuA, but isn't she a bad shottype?), and quite a few use bullets with already questionable hitboxes (beyond the weird hitbox detection I mentioned).
EDIT: Just saw your edit. Ex-Patchouli probably isn't that bad for me, though I've been using MarisaA, who trivializes Royal Flare. :V
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Well, really I don't think Stage 5 EoSD is luckshit. Most people probably would. There is the safespots which I find unreliable, and I can dodge the stuff just fine usually except for the premidboss crap.
EoSD bubbles don't bother me anyway. I always thought of bubble hitboxes as that in the other games as well before I was told about the actual size for later games.
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Yet I see plenty of people go to the top of the stage (I'm assuming that's the safespot you're referring to) to dodge the fairy spam. Do they consider it consistently that bad to warrant avoiding it altogether?
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I don't know. I just have a 0% survival rate trying that.
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End of Stage 4 fairies are easily doable with ReimuA; shotgun the middle one, then move over to the left just before they start firing. DON'T PANIC(bomb), they'll die if you did it right.
And I just cheese the first half of Stage 5 because SCREW THAT NOISE.
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yep I see this being bitched about too much so I'mma give in and address it
UFO has so much more luckshit than EOSD.
No
UFO has
Kogasa, Stage 2 second half can be, Stage 3 random wallshit, Ichirin, Murasa's last spellcard before the survival occasionally cheapshots you too, Stage 5 second half, Shou, Byakuren first spell and some nonspells.
In order:
Kogasa has "PSM", her one inordinately hard spell which yes, is out of place. All of her other spells are fine. Trains may require some practice.
Stage 2 end is just streaming. Dodge the pink bullets. Spawn a UFO to delete them if you don't want to dodge them.
Stage 3 end can be done by moving clockwise in a circle around the screen. The rest of the stage is fine.
There is nothing wrong with Ichirin?
"Eternally Anchored Ghost Ship" will wall you if you backed yourself in a corner by not steering the aimed anchors away from you. It's passable consistantly.
Stage 5 second half is only luckshit if you're incapable of monitoring bullets at that speed. Much like the second half of stage 4. It's not nearly as bad as some EoSD random number garbage.
There is nothing wrong with Shou. Welcome to the stage 5 boss.
Byakuren's first spell can be passed consistantly if you're capable of switching between the "paths" if you think you're about to get walled. Yes, it can sometimes be easy, but it's mostly very hard. Byakuren is the hardest Touhou boss.
If we include the Extras, then midboss Kogasa is more luckshit than Patchouli who is pretty much fair. EoSD's stage is so much worse than UFO's.
Midboss EX Kogasa is luckshit now? Since when?
Edit: How the hell could I forget Murasa's second spellcard. That thing is bullshit.
Please dodge more.
Almost all of your complaining about "luckshittiness" can be legitimately countered with "practice more". There are a few odd occasions of "eww that was bad luck", much like anything that isn't completely static. If you don't like the game, that's fine, but it is far from luckshit. Sorry man.
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End of Stage 4 fairies are easily doable with ReimuA; shotgun the middle one, then move over to the left just before they start firing. DON'T PANIC(bomb), they'll die if you did it right.
This applies to all Shot Types. However, ReimuA has it much more worse than any other Shot Type; Kefit agrees here. Possible, but you would have to practice it a fair bit more because timing is crucial much more stricter.
Stage 3 end can be done by moving clockwise in a circle around the screen. The rest of the stage is fine.
Anti-/Counter-Clockwise also works; it just plays out a bit differently.
Welcome to the stage 5 boss.
Quoted for posterity.
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This applies to all Shot Types. However, ReimuA has it much more worse than any other Shot Type; Kefit agrees here. Possible, but you would have to practice it a fair bit more because timing is crucial much more stricter.
Yes, but if you do it as a laid out above, it works every time. One bomb shaved off. Not that it matters when I KEEP DYING WITH THREE BOMBS IN STOCK ASJDHFAJSDHGAJSDGHAJKSLG
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Yuka, Yumeko, Sakuya, Youmu, Reisen, Sanae, Orin
What do all of these bosses have in common? Their battles rely purely on skill. If I die or bomb, it was my fault.
Here's a typical Shou battle:
Hey, I actually dodged this, oh wait the laser decided to randomly curve where I moved.
Raidiant clipshit
If Shou moves the wrong way on this nonspell you'll get stuff shot at you in angles that can either wall or clip you.
Walls of Justice, you might clip a laser trying to avoid them.
Hey, a nonspell that's actually fair.(though I wish I could pull off the circling thing)
A spellcard that's actually fair(on Hard or lower)
An easy to clip spellcard.
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Hey, I actually dodged this, oh wait the laser decided to randomly curve where I moved.
The laser will screw up it's curving trajectory only after it hits you. It's static otherwise.
clip clip clip clip
Save your replays and review them. I assure you, you got nailed by those bullets.
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I can consistently capture Shou's last card on Hard, and Vajra, too... But I've only captured RTG twice out of all my attempts to not fail at stage 5 practice
Oh, but her first two noncards seem so... WOAH FAST CONSECUTIVE SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT TO READ TRAJECTORIES.
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Instead of bitching, I will award with praise.
L-Nitori's Drown card was extremely fun to play, and I even captured it 01 / 01. Excellent job!
However.
H-Nitori's equivalent can suck eggs.
And go to hell.
And suck eggs in hell.
Because dodging amid sine bullets is the devil's work.
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/grazew10.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=501&u=12803292)
Yeah, this is going to take a lot of work. By the way, that's just Stage 3 alone, and optimally should be a fair bit higher I imagine.
Mid-boss!Ichirin's spot is fine. Boss!Ichirin's first spot is fine. Boss!Ichirin's 2nd spot can go die in a fire. Don't even get me started on the eye.
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Ooku and Orin are assholes in DS. I can't clear any of their stages!
Ooku goes like "BLOW THE WHOLE SCREEN!" while Orin goes like "THRILLER THE WHOLE SCREEN!".
And I was like "Ooooh fuck oh shit oh fuck etcetra!".
Then I played Mystic Square for the first time (AWESOME RIGHT?) then meeting Shinki, and "OH SHIT GRADIENT HAIR GRAMPS!?", just much more narrow than Hijiri's, and made me die. On iisi modo. :V
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3 spare lives at midboss Nazrin, that'll be a total of 5 lives for the rest of the game if I beat Shou.
*die to Greatest Treasure*
*die to postNazrin spam with bombs in stock*
*die to postNazrin spam with bombs in stock*
*Die to Shou's BS opener*
This was after dying with bombs in stock on Ichirin, dying with bombs in stock on Murasa.
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There is nothing wrong with Shou. Welcome to the stage 5 boss.
The second nonspell is fucking garbage.
EoSD vs UFO is kinda hard to compare, EoSD is extremely random while UFO is a memorizefest.
Both are bullshit in different ways.
EDIT: played PCB again
can't the boss just fucking stand still or be a little bigger
or just make the enemy marker a little more visible
or don't make the bullets so fucking bright
why can't I move the hitbox all the way down and instead I die because I got stuck 10 pixels above
game over by piss poor designing
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*Headdesk* FUCK!!! AGAIN! Died on Kaguya`s second to last nonspell, when I know I can catch her last one. Even more embarrasing, last time was with Magic Team, this time was with Yukari solo.
Alright >_>. I lied about 1cc`ing Normal IN. But being this damn close, it doesn`t matter. Please, tell me it doesnt... MOTHERFUCKING STARS!!! ARGDSFGHFDHFDSHDHE#RWHFDHEWHTF *Headdesk* *Headdesk* *Headdesk*
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Make it to stage 4 without dying
Die before midboss Nue
Die twice to midboss Nue
Die right after midboss Nue
What the fuck was that shit? How did I go from doing awesome to game overing in a little under 30 seconds?
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What the fuck was that shit? How did I go from doing awesome to game overing in a little under 30 seconds?
You thought "I'm doing really well here".
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Just game overed on Legendary Flying Saucer.
Shou is complete bullshit. Also midboss Nue(both of them) are mean.
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Just because something is hard doesn't mean it's bullshit.
CtC!Shiki is a fucking joke of a stage 3 boss. Hell, even Wriggle is harder than her Jesus Christ.
Scenario C will be up tomorrow.
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Freaking Aya SHAMEimaru screwed up my MoF No Deaths run. Two deaths during her second non-spell.
And wtf at Sanae being harder than Kanako. I don't trust my hitbox and her spells are clippy so I bombed the entire stage.
Oh well, ended with 470 Million.
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Don't die until Radiant Treasure Gun game over on Devil's Recitation
Shou is a fucking bullshit garbage boss.
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The second nonspell is fucking garbage.
can't the boss just fucking stand still or be a little bigger
Because that would be boring.
or just make the enemy marker a little more visible
what?
or don't make the bullets so fucking bright
Now this one I can mildly agree with.
why can't I move the hitbox all the way down and instead I die because I got stuck 10 pixels above
CAVE games do the same thing dood.
Now look, I know I'm completely out of practice with Touhou at this point (damn you CAVE, Raizing and Takumi!) But thats no reason to scoot right into Sanae's bullets. Of course, I had also forgotten about the focused movement key. :V
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Wait, people think Murasa's second spellcard is luckshit now? Sinking Vortex is one of the fairest cards in the series :ohdear:
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Wait, people think Murasa's second spellcard is luckshit now? Sinking Vortex is one of the fairest cards in the series :ohdear:
I almost timed it out unintentionally because Murasa kept moving away from me. It's ridiculous trying to get underneath her when everything is going at 45 degree angles.
But it's completely fair sometimes.
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I feel like I've hit a plateau in my playing skill. It feels like the vast majority of my deaths nowadays (except in UFO because fuck additive blending) occurs within the boundary of my reflexes. You have no idea how many times I've been dying to stuff because I moved what feels like one or two frames too late, yet I never realize that I'm actually late until I die. And yes, I am using Vsync for every game before SA (which doesn't need it; same with UFO).
It's been like this for at least a month now, and I haven't achieved anything noteworthy since my MoF Lunatic 1cc at the end of March. No notable perfect runs, no new Lunatic 1cc's, nothing. Except maybe clearing UFO Extra, but Nue seems too easy for that to count. I wonder if I should take a break from Touhou, aside from what time I need to spend studying for finals, but I'm concerned my skill will just deteriorate even more. Agh, I hate not making progress.
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Played IN stage 4a. Plenty of mistakes on the stage aside, I 2BND'd Reimu. One bomb was on a derp hit from her second non-spell, and the other was from Fantasy Seal - the only spell card of hers I simply cannot figure out. Just a bit more and this would have been a notable run. :(
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words
Look at the PCB enemy marker.
The screen is purple.
The marker is purple.
It barely flashes.
The enemy constantly moves around.
The bullets are much brighter than the enemy.
So Drake can you make a hack where you make it bright yellow or something
And wayyyyy too many patterns are much easier near the bottom in Touhou.
Also lol I did a test run on st3 PCB lunatic and almost got a perfect
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MoF Normal 1cc No Deaths
Yet slaughtered by Hard mode. It's the spell cards. They're different. However, I feel right at home with stage portions.
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Look at the PCB enemy marker.
The screen is purple.
The marker is purple.
It barely flashes.
The enemy constantly moves around.
The bullets are much brighter than the enemy.
Now back up. The enemy is now DIAMONDS.
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I give up for today. I haven't gotten past Stage 3 once today.
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Nope. PCB is / I am retarded and making the enemy marker image different just makes it blink a fuckload (which I assume is there in the first place, just difficult to see).
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The enemy marker blinks if you're damaging the boss. If you stop shooting then it turns solid again.
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It also blinks between purple (Never seen the purpleness myself) and deep red when the enemy's bar is about to empty.
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I swear, I`m gonna rip Kaguya`s skull open and take all goddamned lives she took away from me, damn it >_>. Another fucking derp away from 1cc, last nonspell. How the fuck are you supposed to watch the big, speedy bullets all the time AND slowly get away from the bottom of the screen, getting FAR too close to Kaguya, when she`s wailing on you. And I had one Masterspark saved for "Swallow's Cowrie Shell -Everlasting Life-", and I KNOW I can capture Hourai Barrage...fffuuuu...*headdesk*
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There is nothing wrong with Shou. Welcome to the stage 5 boss.
Mr. Hate UFO agrees here. Pretty much anything Shou has is fair. I don't get how the fuck you guys do non-spell 2 though. She is inferior to Orin, Sakuya and Youmu imo but more entertaining than Sanae and Reisen.
About the 2nd non-spell: I can't stand an attack that punishes people that doesn't have lightning fast reflexes. No other stage 5 boss has done this before.
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It also blinks between purple (Never seen the purpleness myself) and deep red when the enemy's bar is about to empty.
With the inclusion of the annoying BDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUH sound.
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With the inclusion of the annoying BDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUH sound.
What's annoying about it? In fact, it's extremely quiet. I went for a long while without even taking notice of it.
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With the inclusion of the annoying BDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUH sound.
It's both quiet and actually useful. ???
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Subwoofer computer.
An error on my part.
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I just realized that every time I 1CC MoF Normal, my end score gets lower. Maybe by my 10th 1CC, my score will be completely non-existent.
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Gkg... Got to Remilia on Hard, made it all the way to Scarlet Gensokyo with only a bomb left. I couldn't do it...
I.. I think I'll go over in this corner and mourn for a bit :ohdear:
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(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/1448/ackinsanity.th.png) (http://img227.imageshack.us/i/ackinsanity.png/)
Anybody could have ragequitted by now...
But I love this stage too much.
Sure, it says "958 Times Used" but that's for any mode in Touhou, but it didn't take me any more than 50 tries to 1cc the first time, and I usually play other Lunatics. Easy mode isn't touched and I only play Hard to unlock stages. That said, Extra is around two-thirds of what you see here.
Summary:
Enter Ex-Sanae with 1K graze, 3.75 power. Capture first two cards, bomb third card. Enter Koishi with 4.00 power and at least 2K graze.
Capture everything until Genetics.
Die twice. Bomb timeout card at least four times.
Lose all remaining lives to Subterranean Rose. :colonveeplusalpha:
ouch....
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When do the lasers actually lose their hitboxes on Aura of Justice?
Also, if I see this stupid boss, her curvy lasers, her spinning lasers, random bullets in way too small of spaces, etc. another time and she ruins my run like she always does.
Oh, Ichirin is a garbage boss too.
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When do the lasers actually lose their hitboxes on Aura of Justice?
It's when the laser completely disappears. I know, it's stupid. You'd think that if the lasers don't have hitboxes when charging up, they shouldn't have them when charging down either. Yet, they do. Granted, the card is still kind of easy overall, but you'd expect there to be at least a little bit of consistency in the programming, instead of it blindsiding you randomly (though admittedly, when that happens once, it shouldn't happen again).
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Make it up to Fujiyama Volcano with bombs in stock. Well, I forgot how to do it, so I died ruining what was a no death run up to that point. Then I fucked up Possessed by Phoenix by deathbombing twice. Then I capture Hourai Doll, but that one wasn' a surprise.
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IN Reimu...no deaths...one bomb.
Freaking Fantasy Seal ~ Dark. ;_;
inb4KrimandBaitygoanddothisinonetry
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inb4KrimandBaitygoanddothisinonetry
Hell no. I'm not touching IN for a looooong time because it messes up with my other skillsets, and quite badly too. Also, busy, etc. . That said,
inb4krim
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I suppose this means you don't have good tips on that spell card? It's a rather horrifying spell card. :<
/me cracks open spell practice
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Aww Donut, Octopus-tan isn't that bad of a spellcard! You just need to treat it like you would a streaming card; Kaguya's Salamander Shield, for example. Arc-based streaming! :D
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I see that after spending some time in spell practice, and captured it on another run. However, I still screwed up on Demon-Binding Ring and Hakurei Danmaku Field (?!). BTW, I discount last spells in "perfects," since theoretically you could have not collected enough time orbs and not faced it.
God dammit I hate the perfecting mindset because I become unable to enjoy a fight until I succeed in perfecting it. ;_;
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Looks like I'm a tad bit late (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8707). Either way, timing is crucial, and... I don't believe that large arcs are needed at all. Streaming along the bottom can get frustrating though; it's all I have to say on the matter.
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>:(
Fucking Parasol Star Memories.
How can this game even be considered 'finished' when a crime against humanity like that exists? I wonder if there was any testers AT ALL in this card.
I wanna go play a good game now... against a good stage 2 boss. Spell 21, here i come!
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IN Reimu...no deaths...one bomb.
Freaking Fantasy Seal ~ Dark. ;_;
inb4KrimandBaitygoanddothisinonetry
Oh hey, first try indeed. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8710) :3
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Failed a No Deaths PCB Stage 6 run on 80% Reflowering due to a completely bullshit clipdeath.
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What the hell? (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8713)
12.6 glitch strikes again in IN? ???
Having just fought Reimu more times in just this afternoon than I ever did before, (+-10 times) I'm seriously confused about whether Reimu or Marisa is easier.
Reimu feels really easy than from what I remember and she is a lot more fun as well. (random vs static for nonspells)
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Oh hey, first try indeed. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8710) :3
Wait, i thought Donut was trying to do a perfect run (including final card) but why would he have problems with NDNB? ::)
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Wait, i thought Donut was trying to do a perfect run (including final card) but why would he have problems with NDNB? ::)
BTW, I discount last spells in "perfects," since theoretically you could have not collected enough time orbs and not faced it.
Also note the "perfect" at the replay archive.
And technically it was actually NDNB. BV
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4 more 1DNB attempts at 80% Reflowering.
Also, circling around Yuyuko during Demon World might not have been such a good idea, but I wanted to try a different idea since doing it the normal way makes it just lame walling. I'm sure it's possible to do it like that, but not for me.
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..Well. I think this run has convinced me to either A) not use a controller for the shmups or B) relearn everything with said controller.
Tried IN Extra with Border Team with the controller.
Game over on Possessed by Phoenix. Granted, it's PbP, but still, I usually almost always clear it. I'm not exactly mad, just in a state of "...huh."
Oh yeah, 2 spellcard bonuses. Neither of them were Xu-Fu's Dimension because I forgot my controller layout and bombed at the very beginning of the card.
Replay (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8717) for the bored.
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Ha ha old chap! I gave that there eastern church caretaker what's for!
...Bah ha ha ha. *waves hand at Jaimers* I've given up on trying to keep up with you guys.
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Also note the "perfect" at the replay archive.
And technically it was actually NDNB. BV
That damned last spell. The only reason i wouldn't even bother with it. Achieving NDNB should be pretty easy though. Nothing Reimu has is very hard anyway. Except for last spell.
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Oh hey, first try indeed. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8710) :3
4A
Border Team
Technically illegitimate by way of PIME TARADOX :V
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Donut was actually doing the same.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOU'LL CREATE A (ry
...Bah ha ha ha. *waves hand at Jaimers* I've given up on trying to keep up with you guys.
Don't tell me you've forgotten (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5938.msg327797#msg327797) the words of FAV already :3
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Technically illegitimate by way of PIME TARADOX :V
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Donut was actually doing the same.
I did actually start a Border Team run, realized said paradox, stopped, changed to Scarlet Team, then remembered I don't like Scarlet Team (more due to inexperience with their shot than anything else) and stopped entirely.
I'm out of practice, so I probably wouldn't have done all that well anyway.
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I do use Border team for stage 4a actually. The game not having intermissions and immediately starting the second half of the stage after her second spell card is annoying. X(
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SA is now easy with Reimu A.
But can anyone tell me why I suck so bad with Marisa A?
When you die, the loss is brutal. Not only do you lose a life, but you lose 8 bombs (depending on power) and a fifth of an extend.
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SA is now easy with Reimu A.
But can anyone tell me why I suck so bad with Marisa A?
When you die, the loss is brutal. Not only do you lose a life, but you lose 8 bombs (depending on power) and a fifth of an extend.
When you die in SA, you get something like 2.20 Power back. But 2.20 Power for MarisA is a lot less than 2.20 Power for any other shot type, so you stay in the hole.
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Failed a No Deaths PCB Stage 6 run on 80% Reflowering due to a completely bullshit clipdeath.
Story of my life (except when my lives start dropping the hell off courtesy of either the Prismrivers or Youmu.
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When you die in SA, you get something like 2.20 Power back. But 2.20 Power for MarisA is a lot less than 2.20 Power for any other shot type, so you stay in the hole.
MarisA drops more power for you. Comparative to the power you'd get from a different shot in the same situation, it's pretty much the same.
MarisA is a really great shot type, as long as you don't try to unfocus shot and suicide. Focused far away is still stronger then some of the other shots, and she has one of the GOOD bombs.
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Drops more, but it's not enough. For instance, when you die with 8.00, you only get 7.00 back.
Die at 7.xx and you get 6.xx back, etc. :3c Anything 3 and below only gives you back 3. 3/8.
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MarisA's power gauge is out of twelve... Dropping three yeilds 0.25 power.. I think..
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MarisA's power gauge is out of twelve... Dropping three yeilds 0.25 power.. I think..
It's 8 for MarisaA. I can't give much more info about what she drops though, since I never play as her.
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It's 8 for MarisaA. I can't give much more info about what she drops though, since I never play as her.
Played SA Marisa A:
Didn't even beat Stage 5 Normal, and I can't deathbomb.
It seems like shot power is greater when you shoot unfocused. :/
That's probably causing me to die a lot since I try to play unfocused at Marisa's ridiculous speed.
Played SA Reimu A:
1cc Normal no deaths.
----> Lunatic Stage 1,2,3 no deaths.
WTF. Do you think it's worth unlocking Extra with that shot type? If not then I'll just set it aside for later.
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Played SA Marisa A:
Didn't even beat Stage 5 Normal, and I can't deathbomb.
It seems like shot power is greater when you shoot unfocused. :/
That's probably causing me to die a lot since I try to play unfocused at Marisa's ridiculous speed.
Yeah, it's kind of odd how her shot is arranged (focused vs. unfocused). I would say she's better played like a scorerunning Youmu solo from IN - when you're not moving, stay unfocused, and when you do need to move, tap focus just long enough to get you where you need to go (perhaps watching kamiG's IN replay would help for visualizing it).
Don't ask me why ZUN made her unfocused shot the stronger one, I have no idea. She would definitely be a better shottype if her shots were reversed - MarisaA unfocused is almost as powerful as ReimuA focused.
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FUCK! Shou has been violating me. Destroying me on every damned attempt. I think i managed to get 1 RTG capture and 1 CC capture + 2 Aura of Light captures out of 8 Shou runs. Every thing went so horrible that suicide is an enticing thought.
Then went to play Orin just to check if it was my handling of Shou that was bad or just me having a bad day. Thankfully it was the later. Almost gameovered on Orin. Would have if the final card of hers wasn't so easy.
Still, isn't it frustrating when you get pwned by something despite usually being much better at it?
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Tried out UFO Lunatic just to see how bad it is.
What the hell is this? The first 2 stages make Lunatic Kaguya, Lunatic Utsuho, Lunatic Eirin, , Lunatic Kanako, Lunatic Orin, and several other Lunatic bosses I'm not going to name look like Easy-Normal mode depending on the boss.
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Utsuho, Kanako and Orin are easysauce; Kaguya and Eirin are bombspammable. You must also realize that UFO is not your average Touhou game, and it's still more fair
and fun
than most shmups in existence.
The first two stages ? More like Stage 2 as the entire Stage 1 is iisi.
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The next thread needs 'sadface' in the title.
(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1166/tgm133.th.png) (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/tgm133.png/)
Of course it wasn't a true perfect. There was one border break against Lunasa's second noncard and one against the stage six spam. Then Youmu's last spell was sacrificed (blew the border on the first wave) in favor of actually having a border available for stage six at the right moment. Should have planned during endstage Youmu's second noncard, and thanks to .ASP for convincing me to let go of my spell capture greed. It'll be done right eventually.
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I just game overed a UFO no-focus to Flying Fantastica.
I just game overed a UFO no-focus to Flying Fantastica.
I just game overed a UFO no-focus to Flying Fantastica.
:(
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more fair and fun
than most shmups in existence
:V
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DDP's second loop is worse. I dare you say otherwise :V
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DDP's second loop is worse. I dare you say otherwise :V
Sure, it's harder, but if you think it's unfair or unfun
at all you're doing something wrong. :V
(For the record, I'm not saying UFO Lunatic is unfair either, but you get the point.)
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Hibachi alone makes it fun, but I don't know how to do S6 without bombing every time my shield wears off :ohdear:
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I've managed a couple of bits, but for the most part neither have I, it's terrifying. :ohdear: I must get back to DDP at some point~
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INSECURITY
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8750
I know I can 1cc SA on Hard, but I panic bomb. I am very insecure and I know many of these bombs could have been avoided. I don't use Reimu A's ability and I die with full power.
Take a look: stage 5 deaths are utterly ridiculous.
With a little luck and skill, SA Hard is doable, but what's the point if I don't feel I can do it?
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Another perfect run attempt ruined on Subterranean Sun, because I can't fucking read. Why must I keep making the stupidest mistakes at random times?
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Tried out UFO Lunatic just to see how bad it is.
What the hell is this? The first 2 stages make Lunatic Kaguya, Lunatic Utsuho, Lunatic Eirin, , Lunatic Kanako, Lunatic Orin, and several other Lunatic bosses I'm not going to name look like Easy-Normal mode depending on the boss.
Stage 1 is easy but Stage 2 and 3 sucks. Perfecting Lunatic Orin (And Youmu as well) is easier than Lunatic Kogasa and Ichirins stage portion screams bomb/life spam unless you memorize every single part of it.
You must also realize that UFO is not your average Touhou game
No. UFO is not worthy of being called Touhou. Its an unfinished flawed pebble in a bucket of diamonds. Why are there so many lasers in the game? Why is the Stage 2 boss harder than pretty much any Stage 4 and 5 boss before her? Why is resource gathering and scoring not seperate systems?
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IN is not worthy of being called Touhou.
Fixed.
Different =/= flawed. Since when do people complain instead of actually trying to get better ? It's pathetic. I got a near consistent rate on DR and that's all thanks to practice practice practice and taking it easy.
Why are there so many lasers in the game?
So many ? Only Shou has them. Nuelaser can't even hit you. Also, Kamui says hi.
Why is resource gathering and scoring not seperate systems?
I personally like being able to freely alternate my play style during a run. I chain reds for lives, I chain blues for score, I chain COLORS for power. And I can do it whenever I want.
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Just had an IN No Death Extra ruined by Hourai Doll. This was after 2 failed tries at Possessed by Phoenix second phase, 2 failed tries on Rings of death, and a failed try on Fujiyama Volcano. The worst part was that if Mokou didn't bump into me on Fujiyama Volcano, I still would have had bombs in stock for the screwup on Hourai Doll.
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I'll have a whole collage of this by the time the no-miss / no-bomb run comes around. Then it'll have to move up to capturing all 28 spells.
(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/346/tgm134.th.png) (http://img535.imageshack.us/i/tgm134.png/)
Border break on Hell God Sword. Nothing else could have been done for stage six (other than activating through shooting). It was all planned, one more cherry item, just careless.
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Played EoSD through about a dozen times with the 1cc run being destroyed around level 5-6 each time. Played PCB once and 1cc'ed it with 2 lives to spare on my first attempt with one life being lost at the end in a failed attempt to capture Yuyuko's time-out spellcard.
Goddamnit.
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Peerless Cheap God ruined yet another perfect Aya run. I could build a museum out of those together with all my 1DNB Shou runs.
I don't really have too much trouble with the rest of Aya's stuff though so i might get that perfect one of these days. At least she is much more fun than Shou is... and doesn't use f*cking lasers.
Fixed.
IN is one of the best. It appears that UFO corrupts your soul. :3
Different =/= flawed. Since when do people complain instead of actually trying to get better ? It's pathetic. I got a near consistent rate on DR and that's all thanks to practice practice practice and taking it easy
You want me to practice? I don't like the damn game. All has ever given me is frustration, anger and a loss of faith in ZUN's designing capabilities. As well as a few moments of entertainment but it pales compared to the frustration.
Why would i even give that game a second thought? Simple. Because you guys at this forum keeps defending it and talking about how great it is and how you need to practice to get good. Well... it doesn't work. Sure i'm getting better at it and i might even be able to get myself a 1cc but its still not fun.
I'll complain about whatever frustrates me. Its completely illogical to keep playing it just to "get better".
Murasa and Shou are the best UFO has to offer. Doesn't say much though.
UFO ain't fun enough to be worth devotion for a 1cc. Would you clear a game on its highest difficulty if all the game brought you was frustration and hate?
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Nazrin and Nue are the only fair fights in UFO. And then Nazrin ruins it by coming back in Stage 5 with Greatest Treasure.
Kogasa has some BS cards, Ichirin is BS, Murasa is fair except for Sinkable Vortex and the survival, Shou is BS, Byakuren is also clipping BS.
You know the game is screwed up when the only thing that's fun is Extra. Oh wait, Kogasa's there too with her BS second card.
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You know the game is screwed up when the only thing that's fun is Extra. Oh wait, Kogasa's there too with her BS second card.
Fast dodging. But the game itself is clipshit all over.
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Nazrin and Nue are the only fair fights in UFO. And then Nazrin ruins it by coming back in Stage 5 with Greatest Treasure.
Kogasa has some BS cards, Ichirin is BS, Murasa is fair except for Sinkable Vortex and the survival, Shou is BS, Byakuren is also clipping BS.
You know the game is screwed up when the only thing that's fun is Extra. Oh wait, Kogasa's there too with her BS second card.
I don't think Sinkable Vortex/Kogasa's 2nd card in Extra is that bad but i still agree wholeheartedly with you. Practice might get you past all these things but why practice if you are not having fun in the first place?
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UFO hard run with Sanae B, the only character I haven't 1cc'd with.
Perfect stage 1.
Almost perfect 2.
THREE deaths on Ichirin, with FIVE BOMBS IN STOCK EACH TIME. Kraken Strike (which was unlucky), 2nd card (which a derp moment) 3rd *non-spell* (which was a death after the spellcard was declared but before the bullets fully disappeared).
After screaming and throwing the joypad about, I threw myself back in, determined to beat it regardless. After all, stage 4 vomits extra lives, right?
4/2 going into stage 5.
2/2 by the time I reach Shou (Greatest Treasure and the last barrage before Shou).
Die twice on RTG.
Die on second non-spell.
Clearly, this game doesn't want me to beat it with Sanae B.
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Due to the massive amount of bombs you get in UFO (keep in mind each life is two more bombs if you actually USE THEM), just bombing everything you can't consistently do is actually good strategy that will get you MUCH, MUCH farther then normal. Keep in mind three characters have bombs that are p.much spellcard skips, and two others aren't far off.
MarisaB doesn't count :derp:
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Practice might get you past all these things but why practice if you are not having fun in the first place?
The fun will start overflowing after you understand the game a bit better through practice.
I didn't like UFO either in the beginning but now it's super awesome.
As for me, I just 1cc'd Phantasm Romance on Another Mode with Extra 3 and finished 5/0.
Why is it here? Because it would have been max lives if I hadn't died like 4 times with full bombs in stock on Shinki.
WHY AM I NOT BOMBING FFS >:[
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bullshit
Being hard doesn't make something bullshit. Play on fucking easy mode if you're gonna whine about difficulty.
Practice might get you past all these things but why practice if you are not having fun in the first place?
Nobody is forcing you to play.
clip
>: |
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Nobody is forcing you to play.
That's how I play UFO.
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The fun will start overflowing after you understand the game a bit better through practice.
I didn't like UFO either in the beginning but now it's super awesome.
How much practice is needed? I have put 50 damn hours into this game. About 100 Shou runs, 50 Murasa runs and 30 Byakuren runs.
There is almost no bosses i have ever fought over 100 times on one difficulty setting. I think Kanako because of VoWGs awesomeness but no one else. I don't see how a good game should take that much practice before it can get enjoyed.
I'd like to make an example that's not shmup related. Mega Man X2 for example. I wasn't very pleased with it at first but it only took 1-2 hours to understand what needed to be understood about that game before enjoying it. Most modern games released barely take understanding but can be entertaining nevertheless. As for shmups - i have really not needed anywhere near the same amount of practice to have fun with any other Touhou game. SA and EoSD are the hardest of the non-UFO ones and they were fun pretty much immediately.
That's how I play UFO.
I think i should adopt that.
Nobody is forcing you to play.
No thank goodness for that. Anything beyond 30 minutes of this game is too much.
Being hard doesn't make something bullshit. Play on fucking easy mode if you're gonna whine about difficulty.
UFO Hard mode is boring so playing easy mode is not gonna help. Instead of whining i would suggest playing a better game instead.
Though something can be so hard that it is bullshit. What is Kogasa doing in Stage 2 for example? No Stage 2 boss should be so tough. She is harder than Marisa and maybe even the Prismriver sisters. Stage 4 bosses.
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Though something can be so hard that it is bullshit. What is Kogasa doing in Stage 2 for example? No Stage 2 boss should be so tough. She is harder than Marisa and maybe even the Prismriver sisters. Stage 4 bosses.
Great, isn't it? I'm actually not falling asleep for the first half of the game anymore. I don't even play the other games because I don't feel like boring myself to death with the piss easy first 4 stages. I view the abnormally hard stage 2 boss of UFO as a welcomed change, imbalanced or not. It's a great warm up. Why anybody who says UFO hard mode is too boring would actually want the first half of the game on Lunatic to be even easier is completely beyond me.
Actually, I have a hard time believing some of you guys have the audacity to complain about the hardest difficulty of a game being too hard. It can be as hard as it damn well pleases. There are plenty of people that have no problem with it. Maybe you should train harder and suck it up, instead of bitching and moaning about stuff that is apparently beyond your level? Practice and get better at it, or play a different, easier game, princess. UFO is far from bullshit. Everything is passable, consistently, provided you train enough.
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I'm gonna feel dumb asking this, but what's 'clipping' and 'clipdeaths?'
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I'm gonna feel dumb asking this, but what's 'clipping' and 'clipdeaths?'
People getting hit by bullets when they think they didn't. It's a poor excuse for not paying attention.
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Personally, I'm interested in seeing some replays of these runs where there are clip-deaths galore, along with where in the stages/battles they believe they were clipped.
I wonder how many of those deaths were by really being clipped by a bullet versus getting directly hit by one, and its being called a clip-death because nobody studied the replays.
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I think This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-4g2ajgMnw) qualifies as a legitimate clipdeath.
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Looks like you got hit by a big assed bullet to me. We don't even start on the Reimu hitbox
ab
use, either.
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I don't see how I got hit as in PCB and later you can touch any part of a bubble that isn't the center.
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I think we can define clipdeath as only being hit by the edge of a bullet or pattern.
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The point is, UFO is difficult for the wrong reasons.
Personally, I'm interested in seeing some replays of these runs where there are clip-deaths galore, along with where in the stages/battles they believe they were clipped.
I wonder how many of those deaths were by really being clipped by a bullet versus getting directly hit by one, and its being called a clip-death because nobody studied the replays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMvbveX344c
It still hurts watching that replay.
The second MF bullet was covered by the first one which I perfectly dodged, but the second hidden one was a pixel off.
I dunno, but scratching bullet by a pixel isn't something I'd call a direct hit.
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I dunno, but scratching bullet by a pixel isn't something I'd call a direct hit.
I thought it was pretty much confirmed that EoSD has shitty medium orb hitboxes.
And it looks like Enigma... was caught in the center. Even if by two pixels...
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That would imply PCB has the same bubble hitboxes as EoSD though, cause I thought it was the very center. I know you can touch the colored part in later games, though I thought that started in PCB.
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That would imply PCB has the same bubble hitboxes as EoSD though, cause I thought it was the very center. I know you can touch the colored part in later games, though I thought that started in PCB.
I wouldn't know, since I don't play EoSD much. I can't play your replay back frame by frame either to get an idea of when exactly you got hit, so...
Anyways, I need to go try this on PCB now.
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Glowing bullets are also pretty damn clippy. Especially Byakuren's.
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Just uploaded the replay.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8765
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I believe I requested entire replays (as in the kind uploaded here (http://replays.gensokyou.org/)) where some of you are proclaiming failures of epic proportions by clipdeath, not cherry picking failures. WIth that out of the way:
I think This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-4g2ajgMnw) qualifies as a legitimate clipdeath.
I'm no expert, but that looks like a pretty big hit:
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/temp/th_shot0114.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/temp/?action=view¤t=shot0114.jpg)
Your hitbox was entirely in the colored part. I downloaded the video and stepped through your bubble bullet dodges, and you had one more very close call.
Reimu hitbox hax + not staying sufficiently in the white + showing off by staying close = death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMvbveX344c
It still hurts watching that replay.
Clip? What? It looks like you first ram a bullet:
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/temp/th_shot0117-1.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/temp/?action=view¤t=shot0117-1.jpg)
Next frame is the explosion.
Then get hit directly by one or two:
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/temp/th_shot0120.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/temp/?action=view¤t=shot0120.jpg)
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/temp/th_shot0121.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/temp/?action=view¤t=shot0121.jpg)
I'll admit I'm not some hitbox guru, but I think someone unfamiliar with them were to look at what I saw I'd say that those were outright fuckups.
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That would imply PCB has the same bubble hitboxes as EoSD though, cause I thought it was the very center. I know you can touch the colored part in later games, though I thought that started in PCB.
It *did* start on PCB. If it didn't, every game of it I've ever played would have ended at Ghost Knives.
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Alright. I used Vsync and played the replay back at 1FPS (ya really). Unfortunately, pressing the home key to take snapshots has quite a laggy input at that frame rate, so I was maybe ~1 frame off from when you died.
More interestingly, you were even closer to the inside of the bubble before I heard the death sound, which I took a shot of and put it on the left of my attachment. The one on the right is about the frame at which you got hit.
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More interestingly, you were even closer to the inside of the bubble before I heard the death sound, which I took a shot of and put it on the left of my attachment. The one on the right is about the frame at which you got hit.
The death sound isn't necessarily played the moment you get hit, it could just be when the game "acknowledges" your death.
It almost sounds like something Baity could study with some TAS help when he is bored. Set up a multiple scenarios where you will get hit using pixel-perfect precision to discover where the hitbox is (I imagine there's a way to automate that input), and see how many frames it takes the game to make you explode.
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The second MF bullet was covered by the first one which I perfectly barely dodged, but the second hidden one was a pixel off and thus I got hit.
That answers that.
Also, not seeing the other bullet behind it means exactly that; you didn't see it. Therefore, the more appropriate thing to say here is "I got ninja'd by a bullet".
It almost sounds like something Baity could study with some TAS help when he is bored. Set up a multiple scenarios where you will get hit using pixel-perfect precision to discover where the hitbox is (I imagine there's a way to automate that input), and see how many frames it takes the game to make you explode.
...Testing. Most of the bullet data has already been covered by other people though.
EDIT: Currently, I'm only seeing a 1 frame delay between being hit and the death jingle starting. I might want to test this on the bubble bullets though.
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Even after I went on a touhou hiatus, there are a lot of touhou fans in some irc channels I frequent. I distinctly remember someone always complaining about the most recent game, until the next one came out. Then they would like it, and it would be someone else's turn to complain about the next one. Coincidence?
Also, Number of UFO main game attacks with lasers*:
2 for Nazrin (Rare Metal and her midboss noncard), or 3 (Busy Rod).
None for Kogasa!
3 for Ichirin. (Noncards, scolding)
None for Murasa! (Interesting, both of the no lasers have names that end in -sa.)
5 for Shou! (Ouch.)
3 for Byakuren
(* doesn't count attacks with lasers that turn into bullets.)
So, 12/13 attacks with lasers. Assuming you're playing on normal, you can cut Nazrin and Ichirin's (except scolding because I hate it), knocking it down to 7/8.
Solution: Swallow your pride, get green ufos, and bomb the attacks. Once I did this I got my 1cc easy.
Special message to lunatic players: It's called Lunatic for a reason.
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8770
This was my best run of IN. No safespot abusing whatsoever. I clear with 4 spare lives. Then I completely fuck up Kaguya's Last Spell rush(I screwed up all the other Last Spells too) causing my score to completely suck since I ended at 4:30 instead of a much better time.
The only consolation I have is the no death Kaguya fight, though not the stage cause I got there with no bombs and Eirin's opener sucks.
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IN stage 4a (the entire stage) ND1B...FANTASY SEAAAAAAAAAL. And not even from a wall; I hit one of the big bullets that's just there to look threatening!
Magic Stones, Yuka, Gengetu, Sakuya, Remilia, Reimu, Kanako, Suwako, Satori, Orin, Utsuho, Koishi! I have beaten every one of these bosses with only one bomb or death! One mistake each! One stroke short of perfection!
/me Glances back, forth, forward, to the sky
I am in despair! My playing ability that is eternally one step short of perfection has left me in despair!
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People getting hit by bullets when they think they didn't. It's a poor excuse for not paying attention.
That's... kinda retarded. Then again, for me, it's usually
Ending 1: You have successfully dodged this bullet, with pixels to spare. Congratulation!
Ending 2: You ran right into the center of a bullet that you seen coming from a mile away. Congratulation.
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(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/Macros/th_despair.gif) (http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/Macros/?action=view¤t=despair.gif)
I am in despair! My playing ability that is eternally one step short of perfection has left me in despair!
I was tempted to inline the large version
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Being hard doesn't make something bullshit. Play on fucking easy mode if you're gonna whine about difficulty.
Nobody is forcing you to play.
Why anybody who says UFO hard mode is too boring would actually want the first half of the game on Lunatic to be even easier is completely beyond me.
Actually, I have a hard time believing some of you guys have the audacity to complain about the hardest difficulty of a game being too hard. It can be as hard as it damn well pleases. There are plenty of people that have no problem with it. Maybe you should train harder and suck it up, instead of bitching and moaning about stuff that is apparently beyond your level? Practice and get better at it, or play a different, easier game, princess. UFO is far from bullshit. Everything is passable, consistently, provided you train enough.
That's pretty much it. Naut wins this thread.
How much practice is needed? I have put 50 damn hours into this game. About 100 Shou runs, 50 Murasa runs and 30 Byakuren runs.
There is almost no bosses i have ever fought over 100 times on one difficulty setting. I think Kanako because of VoWGs awesomeness but no one else. I don't see how a good game should take that much practice before it can get enjoyed.
33 hours, 90 S6 runs and I'm still enjoying every single fight with her.
Though something can be so hard that it is bullshit. What is Kogasa doing in Stage 2 for example? No Stage 2 boss should be so tough. She is harder than Marisa and maybe even the Prismriver sisters. Stage 4 bosses.
There isn't a rule where Stage 2 bosses need to be crapeasy. Kogasa is a hard boss, but the later bosses are still harder so there is nothing surprising or unfair about it.
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I'm no expert, but that looks like a pretty big hit:
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/temp/th_shot0114.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t299/Barrakketh/temp/?action=view¤t=shot0114.jpg)
Your hitbox was entirely in the colored part. I downloaded the video and stepped through your bubble bullet dodges, and you had one more very close call.
Reimu hitbox hax + not staying sufficiently in the white + showing off by staying close = death.
I'm pretty sure from PCB onward, the colored parts of the bubbles cannot hurt you. Judging from your and Fox Fanatic's later pictures, it looks like Enigma never touched the black center, so unless its hitbox was supposed to extend slightly into the colored portion (could someone help me confirm this?), I'd call that a programming error within the game (most likely an isolated incident; wouldn't be the first time I see PCB's engine slip up on something).
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Using "it was a glitch" is an even worse excuse than "it was a bullshit clipdeath hurr".
You have enough lenience that if two bubbles were going straight down, the two colored parts were just touching each other and you were between them more or less exactly, you would live. But that's it.
Either way to call any kind of crappery when he was that far into the bullet anyways is just bad. It's like yelling at a bear that might or might not be angry at you, then complaining after it mutilates you. Just don't.
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STOP DYING
DAMNIT
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Stop raping me Yukari please
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so unless its hitbox was supposed to extend slightly into the colored portion (could someone help me confirm this?
Yes, the hitbox does indeed extend into the coloured area to a certain extent.
EDIT 2: I also had a HUEG post I was going to put up, but the forum ate it quite a few hours ago and I haven't been feeling up to writing it all out again.
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Then get hit directly by one or two:
You can clearly see the first one missing me(a bullet disappears after a hit), but the second, semi hidden one which was off by a pixel hitting me. Even after watching it several times, the bullets don't seem off by a single pixel.
If that was a direct hit, then there is nothing like clipdeath and this entire discussion is pointless :V
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33 hours, 90 S6 runs and I'm still enjoying every single fight with her.
There isn't a rule where Stage 2 bosses need to be crapeasy. Kogasa is a hard boss, but the later bosses are still harder so there is nothing surprising or unfair about it.
No that is true. That will just bite you when you are going for a 1cc. More restarts = more frustration.
Still, i'd like to point out that my dislike towards the game is not because i am not good enough at it. I have the capabilities to do well at the game and i'm close to perfecting most of the bosses having already dealt with 2 of them. Close to perfecting 3 og them and sucking at Byakuren mainly due to lack of practice.
I'm just not interested in the game. Its not really fun for me and any mistakes i make playing it feels more frustrating. To be fair i'll admit the game isn't bad. Its just me and select few others that doesn't like it. Let's just leave it at that and get back to enjoy our games.
Magic Stones, Yuka, Gengetu, Sakuya, Remilia, Reimu, Kanako, Suwako, Satori, Orin, Utsuho, Koishi! I have beaten every one of these bosses with only one bomb or death! One mistake each! One stroke short of perfection!
I am in despair! My playing ability that is eternally one step short of perfection has left me in despair!
I am similar. In my case the bosses are called Murasa, Shou, Kanako, Satori and Mokou. I also think i did Sakuya like that once but then Killing Doll and put an end to that.
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perfection is pointless tbh, most people here can perfect all the extras but it's way too tedious.
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Which is jarringly true, in UFO's case. I've captured, like, 10 cards.
Mountain of Faith EX is too damn hard, as is PCB.
I get to 'horrible green river' or some crap like that and in PCB I can't beat Chen, for crying out loud.
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I forgot what to do here durr hurr hurr (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8771).
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perfection is pointless tbh, most people here can perfect all the extras but it's way too tedious.
I enjoy perfecting things like lunatic boss fights. Extra mode boss fights are often twice as long as a stage 6 boss though so they become quite tedious.
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8772
Derped almost everything. Cleared 1/2. Didn't derp the Last Spell rush as badly this time, but still screwed up pretty bad. I still somehow get my best score.
I wonder what I would be scoring if I wasn't derping way too much. I cleared with 4 lives once, not sure how many extra points that could have given me, plus I know I can do better than 3:30 after the Last Spells.
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I had always been under the impression that a "clipdeath" was just a death you did not even subconsciously expect (so I guess every Koishi death is a clipdeath :V), not literally a death caused by hitting the edge of a bullet's hitbox. I guess that's just because that's how it's used, all the time.
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I have been trying a little at making a perfect pacifist of Yuugi and her 2nd and 3rd non-spell are really tricky! I have succesfully timed out her 2nd non-spell but i haven't managed her 3rd yet. It might even be easier to pacify Ichirin. :)
Not really a rage. There is just not a thread for "i tried this a couple of times and haven't pulled it off so its not an accomplishment nor is it embarassing or frustrating... yet" so i figured here would be best.
I had always been under the impression that a "clipdeath" was just a death you did not even subconsciously expect (so I guess every Koishi death is a clipdeath :V), not literally a death caused by hitting the edge of a bullet's hitbox. I guess that's just because that's how it's used, all the time.
I think the best way to describe a clipdeath is a death to a bullet that you were sure you were clear of but wasn't by a few pixels. Like getting hit by a bubble or knife in EoSD. Its especially normal with bullets that doesn't really make it obvious where their hitboxes are.
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Using "it was a glitch" is an even worse excuse than "it was a bullshit clipdeath hurr".
You have enough lenience that if two bubbles were going straight down, the two colored parts were just touching each other and you were between them more or less exactly, you would live. But that's it.
Either way to call any kind of crappery when he was that far into the bullet anyways is just bad. It's like yelling at a bear that might or might not be angry at you, then complaining after it mutilates you. Just don't.
Dude, moumantai. All I'm doing is examining all possibilities - that mindset comes with being a scientist. You'll note that I did indeed bring up the idea beforehand that the hitboxes could be larger than just the black center (which Baity properly confirmed). Also, I'll have you know that I try to limit considering the chance of a glitch as a last resort - in Enigma's case, the only other question standing in its way was examining what the hitbox size really was.
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Okay.
imgoingtouseatitletoattempttocoverupwordingmypostsbadlyand
explainmyselfproperlyonlyaftersomeonemakesasnideremarkeventhough
thetitleimflauntingwouldexpectmetoexplainmyselfmorethoroughlythanihadanywaysand
latertellyoutotakeiteasyregardlessofthemajorityoftheconversationnotbeingveryeasygoinginthefirstplace
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Murasa is fair except for Sinkable Vortex
Murasa is fair except for Sinkable Vortex
Murasa is fair except for Sinkable Vortex
wat
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Press bomb button before getting hit at least 5 times in a run and died all 5 times.
Isn't random clipshit bad enough in UFO, I don't need this garbage happening too.
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But SV is her easiest card!
At least, it is on normal.
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But SV is her easiest card!
At least, it is on normal.
Alright. For the first card you need to dodge the anchor. Once you've gotten that down, it will be easier than Sinkable Vortex.
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Isn't random clipshit bad enough in UFO, I don't need this garbage happening too.
Uh, just to make things clear;
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/untit124.png) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=514&u=12803292)
The hitbox is something like the above. Keep in mind bullet velocity when looking at the images; the faster the bullet the more inaccurate the observation. The "rear" observations are easier to calculate from because I can pick the slower bullets to chase.
EDIT: Oh, here's something.
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/untit127.png) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=517&u=12803292)
The bullet below the hitbox is the killer bullet.
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bullet
So how is it even possible to die :V
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So how is it even possible to die :V
that's the fucking point man :I
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Baity, could you make another set of images like that but using either Sanae or Marisa?
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Press bomb button before getting hit at least 5 times in a run and died all 5 times.
Is your pre-rendered frames/flip queue size option in your graphics card's settings set to 0 instead of the default 3?
If it's default you're getting 3 frames of input lag.
Also, what type of monitor are you using?
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Baity, could you make another set of images like that but using either Sanae or Marisa?
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/untit128.png) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=518&u=12803292)
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(http://i.imgur.com/DFWQ7.png)
'clippy' indeed
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It doesn't make any sense to have hitboxes of bullets be square shaped when the bullet is circular or some other shape. That would mean that you can get hit by a corner of the hitbox. So you can sometimes get closer to bullets than other times.
Or what?
Why are the glowing bullets i hate so much (despite being fucking beautiful) having square shaped hitboxes? That blows.
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FUUUUCK
NORMAL stage 4 on first try (after 1ccing easy with sanaeB) sanaeA
In Murasa
5 lives 5 bombs
Clippe'd the "Impossible to die from" bullet right before final attack b4 survival with 2 bombs in stock.
During survival, Murasa drew bullets on MY MOTHERFUCKING HITBOX
Out Murasa 3 lives 1 bomb
Game over on shou's last card ffffff (sucked more on the stage than the curving lasers)
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So you can sometimes get closer to bullets than other times.
Considering that you teleport to move, it's like that even with circular hitboxes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYuRCMmnb4k).
I still don't see the logic behind the squares though, it doesn't make sense at all. I'd love to know how you're pulling this information, Jisakujien.
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Considering that you teleport to move, it's like that even with circular hitboxes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYuRCMmnb4k).
What does that have to do with anything? What if you want to dodge a square shaped bullet then? Your experience might tell you that you should be able to make it through a gap but what if the bullets are coming at an angle so you hit a corner? It doesn't even make sense that the bullet hitboxes are smaller than their sprites.
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Considering that you teleport to move, it's like that even with circular hitboxes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYuRCMmnb4k).
I still don't see the logic behind the squares though, it doesn't make sense at all.
It's quicker to compute collisions with squares/rectangles for hitboxes instead of using round ones.
What if you want to dodge a square shaped bullet then? Your experience might tell you that you should be able to make it through a gap but what if the bullets are coming at an angle so you hit a corner? It doesn't even make sense that the bullet hitboxes are smaller than their sprites.
When the exception of bubble bullets, why would you be trying to dodge the hitbox instead of the sprite? The hitbox might be important, but I like to think the fact that they are smaller than the sprites as a way to "forgive" mistakes on the part of the player.
I mean, taking the hitboxes into consideration might be necessary if you're trying to safespot BoLaD or something, but for general dodging it seems like a bad idea to rely on something that most people here don't even know the specifics of.
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It's quicker to compute collisions with squares/rectangles for hitboxes instead of using round ones.
When the exception of bubble bullets, why would you be trying to dodge the hitbox instead of the sprite? The hitbox might be important, but I like to think the fact that they are smaller than the sprites as a way to "forgive" mistakes on the part of the player.
I mean, taking the hitboxes into consideration might be necessary if you're trying to safespot BoLaD or something, but for general dodging it seems like a bad idea to rely on something that most people here don't even know the specifics of.
ilu man
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It's quicker to compute collisions with squares/rectangles for hitboxes instead of using round ones.
How so?
Hrm, I suppose. Doesn't really matter when the bullets are that small, so I guess the small difference in comp cost helps when there are so many.
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Concealed the Conclusion. This game has way more cheapshots and hitbox issues than UFO does. I'm complaining about UFO on Hard. I'm bitching this on Normal because the game is a piece of crap.
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Concealed the Conclusion is a piece of crap.
this is good enough
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Square hitboxes? Oh man, I thought you were better than that, ZUN... From what Jisaku posted, it looks like the hitbox shape is not affected by movement (does not point the direction it is going). I doubt that's the case. Could you provide me with proof, anyone?
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We're trying to get jisakujien to post detailing this but we never get any reply from him. He just pops up the next time hitboxes are mentioned with the same stuff. He's the only person so far that has this square hitbox picture thing, so it's really up to him.
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From what Jisaku posted, it looks like the hitbox shape is not affected by movement (does not point the direction it is going). I doubt that's the case.
No, that makes sense, no circular bullet has it's graphic angled (so it's hitbox won't be angled either). This helps with drawing a graphic that isn't wonky due to pixel rounding. This may be why ZUN uses square hitboxes too, since they will never be angled, yet bigger bullets (like bubbles) will get angled -- so they use circular hitboxes. I'd still rather all bullets have circular hitboxes, I'm not convinced the processing power it saves to have them as squares is reason enough to not have it. Two subtractions, one addition, three multiplications, one comparison... Not much.
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Terukuni Throughout the World is a terrible spell
Terukuni Throughout the World is a terrible spell
Terukuni Throughout the World is a terrible spell
Terukuni Throughout the World is a terrible spell
Terukuni Throughout the World is a terrible spell
Seriously, what the hell Aya? Your entire fight is crap as is your stupid stage. This entire stage is the only thing I don't like in MoF outside of Kanako(as a character and her first nonspell). I find Peerless Wind God to be fairer than this crappy excuse of a spellcard. It sucks knowing that this, which most people say is easy is one of 2 cards that I have not captured in MoF.
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SA stage 4 is the worst thing. It's like a compilation of everything that is wrong with this series. Clipdeath galore! Unavoidable danmaku (unless you kill the boss in time)! Clipdeath galore! Laser spam! Clipdeath galore! BoWaP I HATE YOU AND EVERYONE WHO SAYS YOU ARE EASY.
You'd think I'd be less angry after I 1cc'd a couple times, after I've beaten every stage in the series no deaths...but no, this stage holds a special place in my heart for causing me to cry tears of blood even now. Well fuck you too.
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I don't remember any unavoidable danmaku.
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Midboss Orin, if you don't manage to kill ~half the fairies.
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Attempted a SA Lunatic 1cc with only 0 Power. "Perfect" Stages 1, 2. Game Over
YEEEEEEAAAAAAH on Stage 3. Food for thought, I haven't touched SA in a while.
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You can definitely dodge that, I'm just not skilled enough to do it. Going to the side seems to help a little bit.
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I don't remember any unavoidable danmaku.
Reimu A entering Midboss!Orin with less than 4.00 Power.
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Unavoidable? (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8787)
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Unavoidable? (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8787)
And to think i always bombed that.
When the exception of bubble bullets, why would you be trying to dodge the hitbox instead of the sprite? The hitbox might be important, but I like to think the fact that they are smaller than the sprites as a way to "forgive" mistakes on the part of the player.
I mean, taking the hitboxes into consideration might be necessary if you're trying to safespot BoLaD or something, but for general dodging it seems like a bad idea to rely on something that most people here don't even know the specifics of.
Oh my god that just makes so much sense. You win sir. I have been dumb. :
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Unavoidable? (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8787)
I love how the power items form a "K" in the beginning :3
Is the first Orin encounter just about rotating counter-clockwise like that ? What if she starts off by moving to the left ?
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Why is Rainbow Wind Chime easier on Hard than Normal? Why do the bullets travel faster on Normal? That's what trips me up so much when fighting Meiling in EoSD.
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BoWaP I HATE YOU AND EVERYONE WHO SAYS YOU ARE EASY.
this, this, this
the entire game feels somewhat weird to play, but some of the st4 crap is too much
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I love how the power items form a "K" in the beginning :3
Is the first Orin encounter just about rotating counter-clockwise like that ? What if she starts off by moving to the left ?
Which direction she first moves in wouldn't be an issue, because (like most "random" boss movement), you can manipulate which side she'll move to by being on that side of her. Regardless, Orin's position isn't important anyway. You can still do the same circular trick from the left and right sides of the screen (though it's a bit weirder because bullets will tend to come from a more horizontal angle), so positioning doesn't matter. This is the trick that I've trusted in ever since I've discovered it, and it only fails me in my derpiest of moments (you know, the kind of moments where you're playing so badly that you would die to Icicle Fall).
It's one of those strategies that goes to show you: if you really don't know what you're doing, and you have stage practice unlocked, try something random. It may stick. I had no idea what I was doing with this attack, then I just went "wheeeeeeeeee I'm spinning I'm spinning I'm spinning... wait, I'm alive?" and realized that it was a viable strategy.
Also, the Power K at the beginning was totally un
intentional.
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this, this, this
the entire game feels somewhat weird to play, but some of the st4 crap is too much
If it helps i can tell you that it puts a strain on my eyes having to read such a fast pattern.
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Cool people don't have that problem because they use ReimuB.
BV
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Cool people don't have that problem because they use ReimuB.
BV
Which effectively trivializes the entire battle.
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Which effectively trivializes the entire battle.
Considering Reimu A trivializes almost the entire game, I'm okay with this.
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I wouldn't say any of them exactly trivialize the whole battle.
You still have Terrifying Hypnotism which can be easily screwed up, the second nonspell.
I'm terrible at Suika Satori's first and third recollection. Aya's Satori has Tengu Macro Burst and clippy Whirlwind. MarisA has 3 cards of pain. Patchouli's is terrible too. And Nitori's cards are the worst as I would gladly take Yukari's Satori over that.
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C700 songs and YGS2000 trivialize BoWaP. I'm serious BV
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Tried to unlock extra stage for marisa A:
(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9823/epicfailss.jpg)
:V
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youhadabombleftandshehadlikeonefuckingpixelofhealthleftWHDIDYOUNOTUSETHATBOMBHOLYSHITAGHGHGARHGGRAHRGAHGRA
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Aya is a terrible boss.
Aya is a terrible boss.
Aya is a terrible boss.
Aya is a terrible boss.
Aya is a terrible boss
Fixed.
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This may be why ZUN uses square hitboxes too, since they will never be angled, yet bigger bullets (like bubbles) will get angled -- so they use circular hitboxes. I'd still rather all bullets have circular hitboxes, I'm not convinced the processing power it saves to have them as squares is reason enough to not have it.
Ah gotcha.
It's quicker to compute collisions with squares/rectangles for hitboxes instead of using round ones.
When the exception of bubble bullets, why would you be trying to dodge the hitbox instead of the sprite? The hitbox might be important, but I like to think the fact that they are smaller than the sprites as a way to "forgive" mistakes on the part of the player.
For general dodging it seems like a bad idea to rely on something that most people here don't even know the specifics of.
This is why we blame things on clipdeath - because we don't know the exact hitboxes. Sure, Naut has free rein to say that most "clipdeaths" are actually the player not paying attention, but there's also an element of players relying on the ambiguous "hitbox smaller than sprite" idea. When we're letdown and we get hit, it's only natural to get pissed off.
I can't believe I'm talking to freakin' Naut. If society was just, this guy would have his own country. It is an honor to meet you. You too, Krim and Jaimers.
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This is why we blame things on clipdeath - because we don't know the exact hitboxes. Sure, Naut has free rein to say that most "clipdeaths" are actually the player not paying attention, but there's also an element of players relying on the ambiguous "hitbox smaller than sprite" idea. When we're letdown and we get hit, it's only natural to get pissed off.
It's really a simple concept: don't rely on the hitbox, rely on the sprite. If you don't get hit by the sprite, you don't die. If you got clipped by the sprite and didn't die, count yourself lucky that ZUN is showing some mercy :3
If all of you that are whining about the ambiguous hitboxes got your apparent wish and we had perfectly shaped hitboxes that exactly matched the sprites, you would have died doing the exact same thing that the so-called "clippy" hitboxes are doing now. In fact, you'd probably be dying a lot more since all those near-misses (like when Bananamatic had part of those MF bullets pass through him and then clipped on a corner) would be blatantly obvious hits.
And yet if you did what I'm suggesting you do and not get hit by the sprites, neither the current "clippy-death clippy-clip-boxes of DOOOOOM" or the perfectly shaped hitboxes would kill you.
Now, if the hitbox were actually bigger than the sprite I'd say the lot of you would have a valid argument.
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If all of you that are whining about the ambiguous hitboxes got your apparent wish and we had perfectly shaped hitboxes that exactly matched the sprites, you would have died doing the exact same thing that the so-called "clippy" hitboxes are doing now. In fact, you'd probably be dying a lot more since all those near-misses (like when Bananamatic had part of those MF bullets pass through him and then clipped on a corner) would be blatantly obvious hits.
The problem is that ZUN blatantly encourages this, what with the design of "Xu Fu's Dimension" forcing you to exploit tiny amulet hitboxes while streaming, and "Danmaku Paranoia" encouraging tiny movements that would result in dead Reimu if the circle hitboxes weren't so small. Players are used to amulet hitboxes and water-drop hitboxes being nearly non-existent. That's why clipdeath from them is so annoying. Many spellcards are specifically designed for micrododging, as well, like Sanae's "Gray Thaumaturgy".
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I was so close.
SO CLOSE!
No UFO normal no-focus for me. FF, you suck.
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Flying Fantastica was a severely underwhelming final card.
Falling circles. Oooh.
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Why is Rainbow Wind Chime easier on Hard than Normal? Why do the bullets travel faster on Normal? That's what trips me up so much when fighting Meiling in EoSD.
Rank, probably. If you're playing on Normal, you're probably dying much less, so the rank will be higher by the time you reach Meiling, making the bullets faster. If you're dying/deathbombing more on Hard like I assume you are, the rank will be lower and the bullets will be slower.
SANAEB
WHY ARE YOU SO GOOD FOR STAGES BUT HORRIBLE FOR BOSSFIGHTS
WHY WON'T YOU LET ME 1CC NORMAL FOR GOD'S SAKE
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Just failed a timeout of Earth in a Pot with 3 seconds left on the timer.
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Which direction she first moves in wouldn't be an issue, because (like most "random" boss movement), you can manipulate which side she'll move to by being on that side of her. Regardless, Orin's position isn't important anyway. You can still do the same circular trick from the left and right sides of the screen (though it's a bit weirder because bullets will tend to come from a more horizontal angle), so positioning doesn't matter. This is the trick that I've trusted in ever since I've discovered it, and it only fails me in my derpiest of moments (you know, the kind of moments where you're playing so badly that you would die to Icicle Fall).
There's actually a simpler way to do Orin's S4 opener which doesn't use vertical movement: just make smooth movements from left to right to left (demonstration (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8801)).
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I recall demonstrating that method to Krim before (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=4406) but he insists on using that method, which works just as fine. It's not even that much more complex.
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Flying Fantastica was a severely underwhelming final card.
Falling circles. Oooh.
On Lunatic i'd say its probably the hardest final card. Maybe Scarlet Gensokyo...
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Actually, it's pretty static for a final card. Out of 22 of my captures, 16 of them were done using the exact same movements.
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Actually, it's pretty static for a final card. Out of 22 of my captures, 16 of them were done using the exact same movements.
It might be that i don't have any practice with the card whatsoever. + Hells Tokamak syndrome with bullets coming from all directions in a confusing way.
It feels incredibly cheap to me. You may have capped this a lot because you have found a pattern to it but how many times have you capped VoWG?
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Three on fifty-six. I just sightread it. And even then it's easy to derp those pixel-perfect walls.
The last part of LFO requires you to blindly rush through the side of a solid wall of amulets (or at least I can't make out what the heck's happening as they blend into each other). So both are equally cheap.
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Three on fifty-six. I just sightread it. And even then it's easy to derp those pixel-perfect walls.
The last part of LFO requires you to blindly rush through the side of a solid wall of amulets (or at least I can't make out what the heck's happening as they blend into each other). So both are equally cheap.
Based on who's eyes are looking. I suppose none of the cards are cheap. I consider all my mistakes at VoWG legitimate failures on my part. Playing LFO i often find myself in situations like: "What the heck just hit me?, did that bullet just switch direction?, OMG big complicated mess!
Also. Doesn't LFO get more convoluted if you die/bomb it?
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Also. Doesn't LFO get more convoluted if you die/bomb it?
Not really; you just enter "unfamiliar territory" which causes this "strange" increase in difficulty.
Anyway (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8802)...
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(http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5421/th009.th.png) (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/th009.png/)
BAWWWWWWW ;_;
EDIT:
(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/8107/th020.th.png) (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/th020.png/)
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On Lunatic i'd say its probably the hardest final card. Maybe Scarlet Gensokyo...
Mountain of Faith was awesome.
Resurrection Butterfly was awesome.
Hell's Artificial Sun was... okay.
Grudge Bow was underwhelming, FF was underwhelming, Ex-Kanako's cards were underwhelming, Ex-Kogasa was underwheming, a few of Utusho's cards, underwhelming.
I liked most of Suwako's cards, because they generally required extreme reflex in tandem with great motion planning. Granted, I only got as far as the snake-frog thing but still.
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Wacko and Koishi are the best Extras :3
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Wacko and Koishi are the best Extras :3
Koishi doesn't really have any challenge to her at all. Subconcious and Rorshark in Danmaku is her hardest attacks and even they are not really that hard. Yukari and Mokou are better.
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AAAAAAAAH WHAT IS THIS.
I can't play the PC-98 games ! They're so random and the controls feel bad... I always get hit when I least expect it, my hitbox is not right...
The Windows Touhou seem so easy compared to THEM.
I'm doing LLS Extra, sometimes it's easy, and then it suddenly become impossible.
Will I adapt ? Is it normal to suck when we first play these old games ?
My goal is to beat all of Touhou Extras, but I see I'm far from that...
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You need to adapt to PC98. It might take a bit, but there shouldn't be many problems.
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Also, LLS Extra is the hardest PC-98 extra.
Yes EES is easy now shut up
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Koishi doesn't really have any challenge to her at all. Subconcious and Rorshark in Danmaku is her hardest attacks and even they are not really that hard. Yukari and Mokou are better.
Good to see that you also consider Koishi as an iji boss. I still prefer Suwacko over the other two though. Her battle is overall more fast-paced and I like Native Faith better.
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oh goddamnit
goddamnit goddamnit GODDAMNIT
game over on Scarlet Gensokyo
and I had a bomb
and I died with three bombs THREE TIMES
GODDAMNIT ALL
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I just failed PCB Easy.
....
...........
How.... what...
*numb*
EDIT: Tacked a stage 2 Fairy.
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Rank, probably. If you're playing on Normal, you're probably dying much less, so the rank will be higher by the time you reach Meiling, making the bullets faster. If you're dying/deathbombing more on Hard like I assume you are, the rank will be lower and the bullets will be slower.
SANAEB
WHY ARE YOU SO GOOD FOR STAGES BUT HORRIBLE FOR BOSSFIGHTS
WHY WON'T YOU LET ME 1CC NORMAL FOR GOD'S SAKE
I see. That would explain it: I'm trying to beat stage 3 without dying on Normal. I was just poking around on Hard to test the waters. Tell me, does rank effect the placement of those godforsaken books in EoSD stage 4? The set just before Koakuma appears? That's a huge trouble point for me right now. The rest of the stage isn't much of an issue, but me being the resource whore that I am, try to avoid dying/bombing heavily before Patchy. :V
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The Books are random. On Lunatic, they are pretty much an autobomb unless you get really lucky.
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Tried to do a scoring run of IN Normal.
Trainwrecked Stage 4. screwed up stage 5 with 1 death and some bombs. Screwed up Eirin midboss spell, Kaguya's first spell, died to Kaguya's third nonspell, failed Cowrie Shell, failed Kaguya's first last spell.
Why is Brilliant Dragon Bullet easier than Dragon Necklace? Why is Cowrie Shell harder than Lifespring Infinity? Why do I find Rainbow Danmaku harder than Hourai Jewel(okay, this one's a practice based one, but the others are actually harder)? Buddha's Stone Bowl is easier than Buddhist Diamond but not by much. Fire Rat's Robe is easier than Salamander Shield, but it's also simple to screw up.
Edit: Just completely derped a Hard run too.
Tried IN Easy at 180 FPS, it was way too hard. Tried it at 120 FPS, way too easy.
Edit again: UFO Stage 6 Hard entering 2/2. I'm 2/3 going into the boss. Die on opener, die on second nonspell, die on Magic Butterfly. I can't even blame the game for the failure this time.
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WHY IS LFO EASY UNTIL THE RED SHOTS THEN IT'S IMPOSSIBLE WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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I can do St. Nikou's Air Scroll just fine in practice, but when I get to it in an actual run, Game over.
Also, having to bomb Magic Butterfly is a terrible strategy.
I'm getting so damn close to that Hard 1cc.
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GodDAMMIT suck.
PCB Easy 1cc with Marisa A, but only beat my previous high score by 24M. Fucking can't capture anything Yuyuko or Youmu throw anymore.
FUCK!!!!!!!
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Entered Byakuren 4/4, game overed on LFO.
How the hell did I die 3 times to that?
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Play EoSD 15 times, fail 15 times.
Play PCB once, 1cc.
Play EoSD 15 times, fail 15 times.
Play IN once, 1cc.
Play EoSD 5 times...
I MISS MY HITBOX.
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Just failed an IN Lunatic 1cc with Youmu solo on Hourai Jewel. If I hadn't died with bombs in stock earlier in the run, I would have cleared.
Edit:
Yuyuko solo. Guess where I game overed. Hourai Jewel again. Apparantly this card being trivial for me only applies to Border Team.
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Does being Wriggle Kicked 4 restarts in a row count? /rage
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Good to see that you also consider Koishi as an iji boss. I still prefer Suwacko over the other two though. Her battle is overall more fast-paced and I like Native Faith better.
Zengeku and you are worlds apart from me:
SA Extra: Hundreds of tries and no victory. However, I love the stage a lot and I absolutely love Koishi's character design as well so that alone makes me want to keep playing.
Did I mention I also love her stage theme. Spell cards are among the prettiest I have ever seen in Touhou. Flower Danmaku <3
MoF Extra: Tried a few times and put it away. It's not difficult. I die because I don't know the cards. No thanks, I really don't want to go through another memorize-fest just to beat this stage. I don't like Suwako at all either. Kanako is so much cooler.
I would have said the same thing about Mokou, but IN has Spell Practice, making beating the stage much faster.
Frogs are disgusting imo.
PCB Extra: 12 tries and Ran is down. PCB Phantasm: 7 tries, get to Yukari's last card, but I kind of put it away for a bit.
UFO Extra: Not even going to start on this. I love it, though.
Koishi -> One of the hardest Extra. I can capture most of her cards, but that's due to having triple-digit history.
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Play EoSD 15 times, fail 15 times.
Play PCB once, 1cc.
Play EoSD 15 times, fail 15 times.
Play IN once, 1cc.
Play EoSD 5 times...
I MISS MY HITBOX.
Oh, it's not that bad. You just don't let the luminescent knives/daggers/balls smack Reimu/Marisa's chest.
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Trying to 1cc with Scarlet Team. Keep screwing up on early stages so I keep having to restart. Farthest I got was Salamander Shield with them.
I know I can do this since I've done it with Magic Team. And Remilia's bomb is a lot weaker on spellcards than I expected.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRASLKASDLKGFJASLD
I failed a death-bomb.
I
FAILED
A
DEATHBOMB
What the hell. This spell card, this shot type, nay, this very game is a PoS. What the fuck was ZUN DRINKING when he came up with this mess he called a fair attack? This represents everything that has ever gone wrong with Touhou, and my life as well! WHY DOES THIS ALWAYS HAPPEN? I pressed the button...AND I WAS A COUPLE HUNDREDTHS OF A SECOND TOO LATE?
FUCK YOU ZUN
FUCK. YOU.
That was fun :3
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Is your pre-rendered frames/flip queue size option in your graphics card's settings set to 0 instead of the default 3?
If it's default you're getting 3 frames of input lag.
Also, what type of monitor are you using?
How do I go about changing this?
And I fail deathbombs all the damn time in IN(unless I'm using Border Team). Seriously, it seems like a 0.000 second time between hit and death sometimes with the other teams when I press before getting hit some of the times.
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Each deathbomb in succession takes off available time in IN. Stop waiting for the deathbomb.
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I don't try to deathbomb. If I think I'm going to hit, then I bomb, but sometimes I get hit when I think I'm not going to.
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This stage is designed to eat my bombs and then kill me off.
Clever. See what happens: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8821 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8821)
If Yuugi's last nonspell doesn't get me, then her last card will because I will have >1.00 power. This has been going for the past two months.
Stop bitching, GreenVirus. I just beat this stage, no deaths.
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Oh I just failed...
I got up to Marisa on IN and then next thing I know I die 4 times, in the space of about 60 seconds...
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UFO Extra aimed foes are vehemently against me getting my last green UFO. 30 freaking times in a row. I've never been so happy to reach midboss Kogasa.
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Long-Term goal: Do "Perfect" MoF Lunatic Stages No Vert.
Stage 2: Hina moves down during her 2nd Non-Spell.
EDIT: sigh (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8823).
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WHAT IS. THIS. SHIT.
Evil Eye Sigma is the most rage inducing boss ever. I just died FOUR times to it's first attack :colonveeplusalpha:
The farthest I got to is it's fourth phase, and I don't know how I did it.
Also, hitboxes in the third phase are just crap.
I hate it, and I want it to die.
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Finally have time to play Touhou again since college is done, so let's fire up MoF Normal.
*Stage 4*
...That divebomb fairy just fired backwards and hit me as it was leaving the screen. Well, I shouldn't have too many more issu--
*Wind God Hidden in Leaves*
ffffffffff
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Tried Marisa solo.
Reimu's Yin Yang orbs. As if the fight wasn't bad enough when you could trivialize them with Alice/Remilia..Arrived at her midboss with 3 spare lives due to some bad stage 3 performance. That and the boss took all 3 of those lives.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRASLKASDLKGFJASLD
I failed a death-bomb.
I
FAILED
A
DEATHBOMB
What the hell. This spell card, this shot type, nay, this very game is a PoS. What the fuck was ZUN DRINKING when he came up with this mess he called a fair attack? This represents everything that has ever gone wrong with Touhou, and my life as well! WHY DOES THIS ALWAYS HAPPEN? I pressed the button...AND I WAS A COUPLE HUNDREDTHS OF A SECOND TOO LATE?
FUCK YOU ZUN
FUCK. YOU.
That was fun :3
Err, that's rather uninformative. What exactly are we complaining about?
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Err, that's rather uninformative. What exactly are we complaining about?
People who get pissed off at missing a deathbomb. I can almost always believe that it was my fault. :V
I failed a deathbomb on Scarlet Gensokyo though, which paved the way for that post.
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One millimeter of lifebar from my first Red Magic capture ever, and I get a solid wall to the face D:
Also lost almost a whole continue's worth of lives to Sakuya (including actually dying to Misdirection, of all things), but that's not too unusual, especially considering it was several months since I last played EoSD.
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Game overed Lifespring Infinity with Remilia solo. This was with a few derp deaths with bombs in stock.
Game overed early stage 5 with Marisa solo. Of course, I'm terrible with her at the moment, but it seems possible for me.
Game overed on Three Treasures on Alice solo. Oh yeah, that one is not happening. It's probably worse than Reimu and Sakuya solo.
So I have
Yukari solo, 1cc'd
Marisa solo, seems possible
Youmu solo, will happen eventually
Yuyuko solo- will happen eventually
Remilia solo, will happen eventually
Others, no way. Well, admittedly I haven't messed with Reimu and Sakuya on Lunatic.
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Failed a Perfect Byakuren with the conditions:
- Initial 2.xx Power
- MarisaB
by dying as "LFO/S" was fading... because I raised my hands in celebration without realizing it.
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Failed a Perfect Byakuren with the conditions:
- Initial 2.xx Power
- MarisaB
by dying as "LFO/S" was fading... because I raised my hands in celebration without realizing it.
Ouch,,, I feel your pain, I've done that before when I was still a young 'un to touhou and managed to get to Marisa on lunatic... (IN)
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Why on earth would I EVER try Shuuso Gyoku again? What the hell possessed me?
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^ No idea :V
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit132.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=539&u=12803292)
Died while taking the 4th shot again. I probably deserve it for getting that close now that I think about it.
EDIT:
/me checks WR
/me does quick number crunching
Right wtf is this; I need 264k shots on average to beat it. Pff screw that.
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^ No idea :V
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit132.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=539&u=12803292)
Died while taking the 4th shot again. I probably deserve it for getting that close now that I think about it.
EDIT:
/me checks WR
/me does quick number crunching
Right wtf is this; I need 264k shots on average to beat it. Pff screw that.
That's... literally right next to her isn't it...?
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Almost right next to her. There's about 2-3 more hitbox graphics side-by-side of space (Iku's collision box is pretty large), but to actually get that close is not humanly possible considering how the bullets / lasers are fired.
EDIT: Here, have a compare and contrast between me and the people at royalflare for 11-2.
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt263/BaitySM/th_BaityIsTerrible.jpg) (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt263/BaitySM/BaityIsTerrible.jpg)
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Pfffthahahaha
300k more? Doesn't look like, er, POSSIBLE at all.
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit133.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=540&u=12803292)
:moogy:
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What the Fu-
BAITYYYYYYYY
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...Moving on:
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit134.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=541&u=12803292)
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Got to Remilia 7/1.
Finish 4/3.
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While having my regular issues with Boss!Orin, I use 3 bombs on her 2nd Non-Spell, and end up having a bullet spawned on me after the attack was over. Then, on Corpse Eater, Orin decided to fuck me up, and ran straight into me.
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My god I hate UFO so much.
Gmae over on Byakuren's foruth noncard. If not for dying while pushing the bomb button on Cloudy Omen, I might have had a chance. Also would've helped if Shou didn't OHLOLYOUDIE three times.
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ARGH STUPID CAT
8 Deaths on Stage 5 Hard.
try again, then
3 Deaths on Stage 5 Hard.
First death is always on midboss Orin's card.
Second death is always Cannibal
Third death is always the final spell because I run out of bombs for the other things.
Enter Stage 6 with <1.00 power.
Fourth death will then be either Okuu's first or second spell.
From there, I hardly have resources.
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UFO.
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ARGH STUPID CAT
Bomb the midboss card with confidence, learn Cannibal and... do the last properly/bomb. Utsuho's first and second cards are more or less skill-based so there' no helping that.
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Bomb the midboss card with confidence, learn Cannibal and... do the last properly/bomb. Utsuho's first and second cards are more or less skill-based so there' no helping that.
Bomb 1: Stage opener
Bomb 2: First nonspell
Bomb 3: Second nonspell
Bomb 4: Spell card
DEATH
Working on the other cards. When going for 1cc, I enter stage 4 with <1.00 power because of BoWaP. So I actually die twice before boss fight because bomb 1 is death, and since I don't get the 4.00 gain, I die again at the spell card. From there, the usual routine follows.
So the entire stage eats up four/three lives at the least.
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[16:45] <Baity> scoring on sp-9 is a bitch
[16:47] <Baity> 45% of my deaths have been deaths by aya ramming me
[16:47] <Baity> 50% of my other deaths were because the lasers cut too low
[16:48] <Baity> 1% actual hit by a bullet
[16:48] <Baity> 4% bullet spawns on top of me
[16:48] <Baity> then there's the actual scoring element
[16:48] <Baity> my shots vary from 40k to 230k (http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/untit136.jpg) :V
[16:49] <Drake> because lolrandom
[16:49] <Baity> pretty much
Also, 11-3 is stupid.
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FUCK!
DIED WITH BOMBS AT LEAST 3 TIMES, AND FAILED A LLS NORMAL 1cc ON YUKA!
I COULD'VE HAD THAT DAMMIT!
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I just cannot deal with bullets coming from behind me. That's the only explanation for my failure to consistently capture A Forgotten Umbrella's Night Train.
On Easy. >_>
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Failed Kaguya' first Last Spell when the timer was on 0. Got hit on the second one when it was still at the +1 hour mark, Failed Rising World at 1 second left.
That could have been anywhere from 30 minutes to 90 minutes of extra Night Bonus.
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(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6076/25331318.th.png) (http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6076/25331318.png)
yeah uh massive lolwut
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we have deathbombing
why don't we have border-just-ran-out border-bursting
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we have deathbombing
why don't we have border-just-ran-out border-bursting
Because you have this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bCDTUerAus#t=1m51s) instead. :V
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You forgot deathbordering.
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You forgot deathbordering.
I probably owe my no-vert extra run to a deathbordering. :V
Man, I should get back into Touhou one of these days.
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You forgot deathbordering.
...deathbordering?
Is that what happens if you get to 50000 cherry when you die?
This stuff is great.
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I know I've had that happen to me as well. It also disabled the rest of my bomb stock for that life as well when it happened.
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I just cannot deal with bullets coming from behind me. That's the only explanation for my failure to consistently capture A Forgotten Umbrella's Night Train.
On Easy. >_>
For the record, the Easy version is significantly tougher than the Normal one.
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit139.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=548&u=12803292)
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About an hour of assorted MoF stage runs, and the only highlight was getting another Mountain of Faith Normal capture.
Among the lowlights:
* Failing Mountain God Procession as it was clearing
* Failing Expanded Onbashira as it was clearing
* Failing Source of Rains (Hard) at 5%
* Dying three straight times to the opening fairies in S4 (Hard)
* Failing Illusionary Dominance (Normal) at 2 seconds
* Failing Illusionary Dominance (Hard) also at 2 seconds
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(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6076/25331318.th.png) (http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6076/25331318.png)
yeah uh massive lolwut
I fail that spell pretty often in Hard. Of course it's always followed by an immediate ragequit (though I think I found a way of doing it consistently now).
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Uh, no. I find it hilariously easy on Lunatic, even. The point is that she totally walled me in when the one solo bullet is shot randomly.
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit139.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=548&u=12803292)
How in the world did you manage that?!
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By doing something like this (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8866).
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Uh, no. I find it hilariously easy on Lunatic, even. The point is that she totally walled me in when the one solo bullet is shot randomly.
I know it's loleasy, I was just saying that for some bizarre reason I have a hard time on it even though I'm not that bad of a player (not that good, either, but still not bad enough to get repeatedly punished by a stage 1 hard attack).
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Wah! Curse you Kanako! Although I probably would have 1ccd MoF Normal with ReimuA if it wasn't for those FOUR derp deaths on Nitori... Oh dawdamit (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8868)
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So I 1cc with Marisa A. Did horrible, stupid deaths everywhere (another Orin tackle, can't stream worth shit) yet still manage to win with four lives. Even captured [Heaven and Hell Meltdown] for the first time ever.
So why am I here?
The replay is working ok now. Keeping the video link though because it's 3am and I'm cranky. COMPLETELY FUCKING BROKEN!!! It has me game-overing on Utsuho's first card by ramming EVERYTHING once it starts.
Is this de-sync (doubt it very much, since it'd be a first) or am I just hated by God tonight?
Either way: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E29iOPSxF94)
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Try watching the replay from Stage 5. Full-game SA replays tend to desync at the Utsuho fight if you start the replay from Stage 6 (and the same happens with MoF and Stage 4, in which case you would want to start the replay from Stage 3).
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:o
Thank you Krim!
Finally got it to sync by starting on Stage 4 and not touching V-Sync. Will try starting from Stage 5 in the morning. Also will have to edit that rant I suppose. =/
At least I won't have to worry about good runs being ruined in the future...
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Vsync Patch doesn't fix replays :V
That aside, Screw you (http://score.royalflare.net/th125/levelscene125-EX.html#LEXS6) and your bullets spawning on top of me. Enough with you; begone, spawn of evil! And in my replay, there's plenty of "error" as well. I guess it'll be beaten "really easily"?
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Just failed 2 No Death FinalB practice runs on Hourai Jewel, one of them when I had 2 bombs in stock going into it.
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Phantasm:
Die three times to Yukari on the same spell card with all bombs in stock.
Sakuya A, so that amounts to 3 deaths and a total of 12 bombs lost, which could have meant another 12 lives. In a sense, I DIED 15 TIMES.
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Vsync Patch doesn't fix replays :V
I know, but hitting fast-forward (Ctrl) seemed to hurt this one. Well, that or my luck was really that bad. Either way makes sense.
Anyway that isn't important; it's working from Stage 5 now. Thanks again Krim.
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<ZengarZombolt> Of all the things to die to in Shuusou Gyoku's Extra, I get kicked by Reimu.
<ZengarZombolt> :V
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This is why I didn't want to take a break from Touhou. I'm trying an assortment of things in each game I have, and I'm sucking so bad in everything I do. I know it's expected, but it becomes frustrating when I remember that I started this break because I hit a serious plateau. It's like a lose-lose situation for me: take a break and get worse, or continue playing and get worse. And I can't do a damn thing about it.
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How long have you been playing since you got off your break? Of course there's going to be a drop in skill immediately after you return. It's only natural simply because you haven't been playing. If it hasn't been long since you ended your break, give it a few days for your skills to redevelop.
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How long have you been playing since you got off your break? Of course there's going to be a drop in skill immediately after you return. It's only natural simply because you haven't been playing. If it hasn't been long since you ended your break, give it a few days for your skills to redevelop.
I think that if the lapse in playing is sufficiently longer than that of the time spent actually playing it, then the inverse actually occurs. De facto you have much better reactions given you recall what goes down. But, if you forget how each card worked, then you'd die of course :V
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How long have you been playing since you got off your break? Of course there's going to be a drop in skill immediately after you return. It's only natural simply because you haven't been playing. If it hasn't been long since you ended your break, give it a few days for your skills to redevelop.
I already mentioned that the skill drop was expected. Not the first time it's happened to me either. But does that mean I have to like it?
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Well, it could certainly add a degree of challenge, if anything :V
See: Donut.
Anyway,
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit141.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=551&u=12803292)
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(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2199/inlunatic.th.png) (http://img64.imageshack.us/i/inlunatic.png/)
Why is this in the Bitching/Whining thread? 2 Last Spells on Mystia, a screw up on Keine's first nonspell causing me to bomb. Death on Ephemerality. Death on Tewi with 1 bomb in stock. If you add those up and then avoided those in a run, I think it adds to a potential no miss(someone correct me if I'm wrong).
Oh, and I also failed the first of Kaguya's Last Spells with 0 seconds left, which may or may not have been enough to break the 3 billion mark. Oh wait, those deaths were enough to screw that up.
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goddamnit goddamnit goddamnit why do I keep clipping random crap on stage 3 arrrrrrrgh
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Wait so you 2 miss IN lunatic and still rant? I could barely 1cc the A route :V
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Yeah, I probably shouldn't be complaining about a 2 miss, even when it should have been 1 or 0.
Though I don't get how someone could die 5 more times, bomb more, and capture the same # of spells (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8864) could beat my score. Maybe I don't know as much about scoring yet as I thought I did, but then I haven't watched said replay yet. Wonder what I was doing wrong in score terms as I don't think the Last Spells alone could attibute that kind of difference.
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Grazegrazegraze, timetimetime, etc.
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Is there a level harder than UFO Level 3 on Lunatic ? I can try it for hours, hours and more hours, but I can't pass it. Even SA Stage 5 Lunatic was easier. WAY easier.
I'm about to throw my laptop through the window.
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Stage 3 UFO is more or less streaming and getting rid of the big fairy waves before you get walled.
Note that you can circle around the screen during the streaming parts.
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Just Game Over'd MoF Hard on Stage 4.
Granted I'm playing as Reimu C for laughs and I've had a long day at work, but I didn't even *see* half of the bullets that killed me. I died twice in Stage 2 for heaven's sake.
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Is there a level harder than UFO Level 3 on Lunatic ? I can try it for hours, hours and more hours, but I can't pass it. Even SA Stage 5 Lunatic was easier. WAY easier.
I'm about to throw my laptop through the window.
Krim has a replay of a perfect UFO stage 3 Lunatic run, with Reimu A (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=6657). No deaths, bombs or UFOs. Whatever part you're having trouble with, I'm sure his replay will give you a good idea of how to pass it.
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AARGHARGAHRGHARGHARGHRGHGARHR
No, it doesn't help, sorry. I'm still dying and dying again, walled, too much bullets, two lives, not enough bombs :colonveeplusalpha:
I hate this stage. Why did you do that, ZUN ?
EDIT: Fuck this, worst stage ever, I will stop right here and never 1cc UFO in Lunatic.
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two lives, not enough bombs :colonveeplusalpha:
Not seeing it (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8888).
8888 GET!
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Dying with three bombs three times in a row: Check.
Dying with bombs in stock seven of eight times: Check.
ReimuB: NEVER AGAIN
(mostly because of Cirno and S4, specifically the evil streaming fairy parts and BURY IN LAKE/GREEN STORM/EMERALD MEGALITH)
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DAMN YOU LYRICA
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Two Words:
Curving Lasers
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Three words: Spinning Star Lasers.
I decided i want to take down 10-4 with Hatate in Double Spoiler today. Pretty difficult one. I kept messing up all the time, ramming stars that could easily be avoided, clipping lasers, getting trapped by lasers and dying at the final picture. I got it in the end but fuck it was getting annoying how Iku would just dance around up the screen. I have no idea how many times i moved in for the picture and she would just move out of the way...
It took 225 shots to capture. It felt like more though.
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ND2BNBB Prismrivers fight. Merlin's opener just isn't fair.
No chance of a perfect of the stage as the second half sucks so much.
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I captured StB's scene 7-2. Took me a lot of time. then, when i chose "save replay" it crashed. FUCK YOU, SERIOUSLY STB :|
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I'm 2/2 on Grudge Bow with ReimuA now... while still failing pretty much everything else, even Dark Clouds! And I have yet to capture Undefined Darkness or Rainbow UFOs...
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Okay I don't know what Donut's talking about when he says using Hatate makes DS easier. Sure, she charges faster, but her camera's range is horrible.
EDIT: Okay so I take that back, some Scenes are much easier with Hatate, but others are much easier with Aya as well. It's also really hard to Gold Rank with Hatate, whereas with Aya, clearing a Scene is basically a guaranteed Gold Rank :C
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Died on Peta Flare Lunatic.
GJHDBNjfnm
Also I'm really sad because I spam bombed Satori's last spell where I could dodge it a few weeks ago. Fuck me.
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2 Deaths, 6 bombs on VoWG Lunatic
Good for now, just last week I had 8 deaths. Getting close, though.
I'm not going to try to time this out yet, though.
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This is why you don't play touhou in school (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuOOst9Qg-4)
note the two derpdeaths on kanako's first 2 cards
Edit: note that I was rusty and did not touch MOF for weeks.
Also Lol1stcapture of the rain card b4 Mountain Of Faith.
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GODDAMIT
Why is Stage 4 (A,B) IN Hard so bullshit?
First run, I die four times, and I deathbomb too. Second run, I die six times, and I use even more bombs.
I still managed to 1cc, but why is Marisa giving me such a hard time? Stage 4 is the hardest stage I've ever played, and it doesn't look difficult either.
It's even crappier than Stage 5 SA Lunatic.
If it weren't for that, I would be able to easily 1cc with default lives. IN isn't difficult...
Stage 1, perfect, no focus, fail last card
Stage 2, perfect, no focus, capture last card
Stage 3, four bombs, capture last card
Stage 4, six deaths, 12 bombs.
Stage 5, two deaths, four bombs.
Stage 6, three deaths, five bombs. The extra death is because of Kaguya's last card. I don't understand how people do this one...
Behave like the other stages, PLEASE
/rant
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Marisa is more micromem, Reimu is more read and dodge stuff. Though Reimu has some micromem and Marisa has some read and dodge too.
Hourai Jewel can be memorized.
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Have fun actually memorizing Hourai Jewel lol
I very much like Reimu's fight more than Marisa.
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Have fun actually memorizing Hourai Jewel Ha ha, old chap!
I very much like Reimu's fight more than Marisa.
Hell no I can't even do it on Normal.
Err, I don't do it because I'm lazy. A few hundred runs in Spell Practice should do the trick, nothing that I'm not used to... for that matter.
Reimu is worse. And I hate playing with Magic Team.
yeah... SA Hard is more feasible...
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- Perfect Lunatic Byakuren up to "LFO/S" with MarisaB
- Reverse into an amulet
- Perfect Lunatic Byakuren up to "LFO/S" with MarisaB
- Reverse into an amulet during clearing phase
- Perfect Lunatic Byakuren up to "Devil's Recitation" with MarisaB
- Sneeze
- ...
There goes my three attempts for the day.
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(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7594/stuffr.th.png) (http://img185.imageshack.us/i/stuffr.png/)
No bombs run ruined by Marisa because she SPAMMED her hardest attacks for the entire fucking time. You know, those RARE ones. :|
On a different note, I've managed to dodge the end of stage 3 part several times now, it's hardly impossible. Although I'm playing as ReimuA, so I question whether the speed of other shottypes can handle it.
The list of bullshit just keeps getting smaller... :V
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Also, the hitbox of those stars!!!
/TH 08, Stage 4B
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The list of bullshit just keeps getting smaller... :V
I knew SoEW wasn't anywhere near the BS as everyone says it is. My complaints are Marisa, Mima, and Extra. Everything else I die to I'm fine with because it's just sucking then.
Who was it that said I was wrong when I once posted that SoEW was fairer than UFO?
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The list of bullshit just keeps getting smaller... :V
The crappy hitboxes aren't getting any smaller, though! :V
Having said that, SoEW is certainly the easiest lunatic - I played the entire thing (on all difficulties!) no more than five times, and three runs on lunatic was all I needed for the 1cc. Most likely never touching it again.
Anyway. This just in: Rising World at 120FPS is......... hard.
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ARGH
I hate fighting Marisa SO MUCH
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and three runs on lunatic was all I needed for the 1cc.
But isn't this how most games go? The third time I got to Aya was my first MoF Lunatic 1cc; second time I got to the Prismrivers for PCB; I got to Scarlet Gensokyo my first serious run of EoSD Lunatic although despite that being like half a year ago or more, I still haven't 1cced... LLS I think was 3rd or 4th time past Marisaboss...
I mean, I don't sit around trying Practice mode to get better; if I'm not good enough to 1cc something yet, I do something else. UFO Hard was the exception, but those practice runs were mostly just for fun, and not actual practice; and in the end, my first 1cc was still... err *checks spellcard record* holy shit did that really only take 4 tries other then S1~2 restarts. I thought it was more. And now that I think about it, I did most of my practice stages with SanaeB and then did ReimuB for serious 1ccing; that's kinda weird.
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But isn't this how most games go?
OH YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME
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But isn't this how most games go?
:objection!: Been meaning to use that at least once
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Consider how often you actually practice / play the individual games. For starters, SoEW / LLS / MS don't have "Stage Practice" unless you use savestates. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure that the number of hours clocked on SoEW don't even compare to the other games for most, if not all people.
/me tableslams an-*bang!*
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Furthermore, I'm pretty sure that the number of hours clocked on SoEW don't even compare to the other games for most, if not all people.
So so true. I wouldn't be putting in the effort in if I didn't 1cc SoEW's modes on the first try after like month-long breaks from it.
Consider how often you actually practice
Practice? What's that? :derp:
I'm like that in school too; I've never actually studied before. I just kinda remember everything. People in math class get mad at me because I finish way faster then they do, and on the occasion we're working in a group, I keep telling them the answer to whatever they're putting in the calculator before they can finish inputting it :V
It's kind of creepy, actually. But in a good way.
For instance, SoEW / LLS / MS don't have "Stage Practice" unless you use savestates.
Yeah, they don't. I admit, I'd probably practice the last three stages of MS Lunatic if I could, and I'm considering grabbing savestates for said purpose. But UFO and MS are the only cases where I've actually done (or in this case, wanted to do) that. MS Lunatic does not look friendly. PoDD Lunatic isn't either, for that matter, and I'm going to have to be practicing it a lot to be able to dodge all these boss patterns so I don't need to bomb. I'm improving on that quickly~
But I pretty much just use my knowledge of the stuff in previous difficulties, and heightened skills from doing other games; by the time I try to 1cc something, I have the ability to do it, I just need to get out a good enough non-derpy run. SA Hard is a wonderful example of this. My first 1cc had SEVEN extra lives at the end, which is insane, and two deaths were super-derp things at full power on loleasy parts of Stage 6 (not Utsuho, the STAGE.). I'm still surprised at that.
Yumeko and PoDD are really difficult because I've got to practice those exact patterns; I can't just use miscellaneous dodging skills and grab a 1cc against stuff like that, and I don't have sufficient experience on them, since PoDD I mostly just bombed the bosses, and on MS, I 1cced Hard the first time (and I mostly bombed Yumeko then too anyway).
The fact that there's so many games that when I can't do one thing, I can just go do something else first; that really, really helps. I don't have to practice on one game, I can go play a different one and just hone my general skill, and I can remember almost everything about the game within a few runs anyway.
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Okay, this is nothing new, but I perfected EoSD stage 6 (Eternal Meek included) until Vampire Illusion. I died not because I got walled (heck, I dodged what most would consider a wall), but because I momentarily glanced at Remi's health and lost my concentration, backing into a bullet. When this was followed by me dying 3 more times in the span of a minute, along with me surviving 3 waves of scarlet meister, this hurt a little more than usual.
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Got to S4 0/0.
Well.
This needs work.
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Spent literally 97 minutes (I timed myself) to capture DS 9-7 with Hatate. I finally did, and went to save my replay.
I am used to StB, where once you finish a spell, you press Up once and you're at the Save Replay option.
In DS, pressing Up once brings you to the Retry Scene option.
:colonveeplusalpha:
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit151.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=564&u=12803292)
It also appears that my score.dat had reset itself earlier today, fortunately I had a backup.
EDIT: FFFFFFFFFF- (http://score.royalflare.net/th125/levelscene125-EX.html#LEXS8) this is already enough of a bitch to do how the hell am I supposed to reproduce a fluke of all things? Nevermind I worked out the little trick that I needed. Upping later.
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Holy crap why am I so bad at Keine and Marisa.
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Aw, man. SakuyaB in PCB is such a pain in the butt.
Also, just got a quick reminder of why I was so glad to have dodged DS. Played it for a week and gave up. Just tried it again. Same results as last time. I think Einstein's definition of insanity revolves around trying the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. How fitting.
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you guys must be awesome or something because i have trouble with beating the game on easy i have embodiment of the scarlet devil
mountain of faith and imperishable night
i just recently beat reisen on imperishable night
i cant beat sakuya's awesomeness
i fail with the lvl after nitori i cant even get to the boss
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you guys must be awesome or something because i have trouble with beating the game on easy i have embodiment of the scarlet devil
mountain of faith and imperishable night
i just recently beat reisen on imperishable night
i cant beat sakuya's awesomeness
i fail with the lvl after nitori i cant even get to the boss
Nothing to worry about! Everyone develops at different speeds. I've been playing the games for almost two years and I'm still only on Hard Mode; Jaimers 1cc'd every game in the series on Lunatic within nine months. It's nothing to worry about; skill comes with practice, and practice comes with time.
Also, just got a quick reminder of why I was so glad to have dodged DS. Played it for a week and gave up. Just tried it again. Same results as last time. I think Einstein's definition of insanity revolves around trying the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. How fitting.
You have to get used to DS and StB. They are both games designed to kick your ass until you get better. If you're not good enough, again, don't worry! Play the other games! I stopped playing DS when I got to Stage 10 because I couldn't beat anything on it besides 10-3. Two months later and lots of practice, I gave it a shot and cleared the entire game within a few days. Come back to it later if you feel you've improved; you'd be surprised how noticeable it is once you have.
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I think Einstein's definition of insanity revolves around trying the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. How fitting.
This is why I love Einstein.
For the sake of insanity, I have become such a stubborn asshole. Learning to draw, and doing well in Touhou, all fit within the range of insanity. Do the same thing over and over until you become better.
The Border Between Simple Practice and Insanity.
To me, insanity = extreme dedication.
Anyone can practice, but not anyone practices to the level of insanity.
And Sakuya is total hax
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit152.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=565&u=12803292)
Too standard for my tastes. Oh well, at least it's consistent.
EDIT: Failed a Perfect NF Murasa. Funny thing is that it was my first try as well. "Oh my hand slipped whoops".
EDIT 2: OK, three times out of five attempts I think I should stop before I make more stupid mistakes. Interestingly enough, two missed on "DCC", and one on "SV". Read: nothing on the 3rd Non-Spell.
EDIT 3: And yes, I got wind of you people on IRC.
Shame on you people for thinking such things >:|
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(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6383/ffffffffffffffm.th.png) (http://img168.imageshack.us/i/ffffffffffffffm.png/)
I CAN SO TOTALLY DO THIS :<
That was a perfect normal Mima BTW
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(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6383/ffffffffffffffm.th.png) (http://img168.imageshack.us/i/ffffffffffffffm.png/)
I CAN SO TOTALLY DO THIS :<
That was a perfect normal Mima BTW
k then do
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Failed a timeout of Thousand Needle Mountain With 0 seconds on the timer
Why does this crap keep happening to me?
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Completely fucking blew a really good UFO Marisa A Lunatic run. Max lives at Murasa. Had 52k point value for the big blue at the end of stage 5. Didn't kill it. 220 million points down the drain.
I don't make it to stage 6.
Shit. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8951)
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Completely fucking blew a really good UFO Marisa A Lunatic run. Max lives at Murasa. Had 52k point value for the big blue at the end of stage 5. Didn't kill it. 220 million points down the drain.
I don't make it to stage 6.
Shit. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8951)
wow epic fail
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Yeah, that was sorta the point in me posting here. :/
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Two deaths and three bombs on the stage.
Bomb on Nue's opener and death on Dark Clouds.
What the hell is wrong with this?
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140/141 spells captured on PCB
Demon World sucks so much.
Edit:
2DNBNBB PCB Stage 3. Midboss nonspell and Orleans Dolls
Edit:
Now I just had this crap (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srEQroPh6P4) happen a second time.
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hhahahahaha died four times on Kanako's Rice Porage spell....;_;
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hhahahahaha died four times on Kanako's Rice Porage spell....;_;
It's okay, because that card is ass! I can't explain it, but I think it is difficult as well and dislike having to combat it!
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I think it's easy even on Lunatic :V
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Actually, in my opinion it is somehow easier on lunatic than on hard. :V
On topic: When grinding MoF stage 6 this was bound to happen eventually, but I.. I...
I failed Madly Dance on Medoteko. :flamingv:
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Tried UFO Hard again. Why do I even bother?
The only 2 shottypes worth using are SanaeB and MarisA. And SanaeB would just have issues on Lunatic as well for the enemies that don't die fast. Not that I would even bother with Lunatic as it can't be good for your health. MarisA is better on bosses but a little worse on stages, but she's okay at most stage parts. The hitboxes are way too big as well, and Zun needs to return it to how it was in EoSD and before with equal hitboxes.
And the clipdeaths everywhere. Then Shou just craps all over any good run up to that point.
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What exactly do you have against ReimuA? She does the most amount of damage in the game without shotgun, and her range is absolute. Only thing she doesn't have is piercing, which seems to be why you like MarisaA and SanaeB.
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More importantly, why would you be using anybody other than
skinny-useless-doesn't-eat-enough-small-ass-hitbox
Reimu when you're "clipdying"? Like Drake said, Reimu A does the most damage by a large margin, and Reimu B is laughing during the stages. This, coupled with that impossibly small hitbox, should make her the shot type of choice for first one credit clears.
Having said all that, if for some reason you think Sanae B has a weakness, I do feel like I may be talking to a wall :(
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(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i293/Arcengal/seriousattempt1.jpg)
This was my first serious attempt at a 1cc after the ridiculous amount of practice runs I've been doing.
- Captured Pendulum Guard for the first time ever.
- Didn't die until Carnival.
- Died to King Kraken Strike because my finger slipped.
- Died to second non-spell because someone started talking to me IRL.
- Grabbed the wrong colour of UFO about 4 times over the courses of stages 3-5 (STOP CHANGING DAMMIT)
- Died to Nazrin's mid non-spell (WHAT!?)
- Captured RTG (...WHAT?!)
- DIED TO FREAKING ABSOLUTE JUSTICE BECAUSE I PRESSED UP/RIGHT INSTEAD OF UP.
- Autobombed Vajra, was *just* too close to the lasers during Clarification.
- Amassed a grand total of one extra bomb in stage 6.
If I stay calmer while playing, I'm pretty sure I can do this. Which feels weird, to say the least.
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SanaeB
issues
I can't seem to parse that. Maybe windows can help us.
(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/1504/sanaeb.png)
Or not.
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Tried UFO Hard again. Why do I even bother?
The only 2 shottypes worth using are SanaeB and MarisA. And SanaeB would just have issues on Lunatic as well for the enemies that don't die fast. Not that I would even bother with Lunatic as it can't be good for your health. MarisA is better on bosses but a little worse on stages, but she's okay at most stage parts. The hitboxes are way too big as well, and Zun needs to return it to how it was in EoSD and before with equal hitboxes.
And the clipdeaths everywhere. Then Shou just craps all over any good run up to that point.
I still don't see how is Marisa's hitbox bigger :V
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I still don't see how is Marisa's hitbox bigger :V
Reimu's hitbox is 2x2, Sanae's 3x3 and Marisa's 3.5x3.5 (I still think they're circles but some people think they're squares so :/). If you play a lot with all the characters, you'll notice this in active gameplay. Their graze radius is pretty proportionate to their hitbox size as well, so it makes sense. Now, one and a half pixels doesn't seem like a big difference, but it does mean you're trying to dodge with an area of 12.25 pixels2 versus 4 pixels2, which is more than three times as large (provided we're assuming the hitboxes are square). :ohdear:
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I have to graze fast and hitbox too small
seriously, it seems rather natural to me, or reimu has her hitbox way too little
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Reimu's hitbox is too small in my opinion as well. She's way too forgiving. She even has the highest DPS shot type and homing... A bit excessive. No love for Marisa :(
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I don't remember the last time I clipped something with Marisa. I also find her somewhat stronger for some reason...even though she is weaker.
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The only reason I dislike MarisaB is that both the sound effect and the darkening effect last noticably longer than the invincibility of her bomb. I mean, yeah, one can get used to it, but man, is it deceiving...
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laser marisa or spread marisa(B)?
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The MarisaB that is MarisaB, which is the spread type and also MarisaB. Doesn't shoot Bs, though. Not manly enough.
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More importantly, why would you be using anybody other than skinny-useless-doesn't-eat-enough-small-ass-hitbox
Reimu when you're "clipdying"?
One of Reimu's powers is to be able to eat sweets without getting fat...
so Marisa's a fatty?
anyways...
FUCK YOU MEILING WHY CAN'T I HAVE INVINCIBILITY WHILE BOSSES ARE DYING LIKE IN IMPERISHABLE NIGHT?
FUCK YOU CIRNO HOW DID I DIE TO ICICLE FALL NORMAL WITH A BOMB IN STOCK
FUCK YOU REMILIA AND YOUR AWFUL BUBBLE HITBOXES. I DIED TO YOUR OPENER WITH A FREAKING BOMB.
and I was doing a 1cc run with the bomb stock set to zero, so... yeah.
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LOLWUT I just realized in another failed 1cc of UFO that
In irchin's final, there is enough space to fit your hitbox right between the two BROFISTS. Without dying of course (Normal)
I still suck a stage 4 derpderpderpderp
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I never was consistent enough to do that. I think even Marisa can do that. If not, then Sanae can too.
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There's quite a bit of room there actually
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I need to bitch about effing Alice in Labyrinth of Touhou
ARRRRRRGGHHHH.
1. I took down her healing doll just to get shot in the face with Seeker Dolls.
2. Patchy, who was in the fourth slot, got shield bashed in the FACE and was OHKO'd.
3. Masterspark failed. She silenced me before I could pull it off.
4. STOP KILLING REMI DAMMIT.
Then the angry touhou fangirl went on a rage-induced level-grind trip and returned to beat the living daylights out of Alice and her goddamn dolls.
The end :V
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2x Asteroid Belt seems to do more damage than a Master Spark :V
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2x Asteroid Belt seems to do more damage than a Master Spark :V
Srsly?
Because then I might just beat onibitch... :V
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Went back to replay some early (level
1 and 2
) DS scenes (after not touching the game for a couple weeks). Got plenty of scenes where I beat my old high score after two shots (!) .... except that now that I'm actually trying to score, I keep doing stupid stuff and take 10+ attempts to clear them ....
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PoDD Lunatic.
The Decisive Battle and Chiyuri are fucking impossible.
Decisive Battle Kana is, almost unbelievably, the MOST impossible. She spams ex attacks and boss summons (who in turn summon more EX attacks) and they create friggin walls and aksdfhasdlghasdf
But even if I get Rikako for Decisive, who I can handle for like 8 minutes, I still don't usually reach Chiyuri. Who then curbstomps me so hard if I DO reach her.
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Tried out UFO Hard today with random shottypes.
I now have Stages 1-4 unlocked for all shottypes on Hard. I have yet to get past Stage 5 even with hours of continuespamming :/
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GOD DAMMIT, I suck more at UFO than at SA
At least In SA I don't clip motherfucking everything.
And in SA you don't need to run around dodging unfuckingfocused and grab blasted UFO pieces which always results in bad deaths or bombspam.
:getdown:
PS: Does being better at RaymooC in than at RaymooA in SA make me weird? (No, its not about satori. Satori is piss easy)
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:getdown:
Holy shit that's so cool
:getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown:
On Topic: Sanae is too freaking clippy! Argh, I'm always thinking I'm going to die. And one of her nonspells is total hax. [Hard]
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:getdown:
:getdown: :getdown: :getdown:
Holy shit that's so cool
Quote wasn't actually supposed to move but it did anyway.
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I just had the glitchyest run of a touhou game yet. Once was a border break after I died losing power but not any lives, and the other was me dieing as I tried to bomb, and remained at full power. Both of these happened in stage 3.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9014
Here for a game over against Yuyuko 3 point items away from a extra life. And many derp deaths.
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PoDD Lunatic.
Are you using Ellen? I don't remember anyone else getting Kana in the decisive match. And Ellen is *hard* to use. I mean, *stupidly hard*. The overpowered EX (which also gets spammed in one of the boss attacks) helps a lot but lol abysmal speed/charge/damage/everything else. Top-mid tier, since you can hit the AI fairly reliably unlike with some other cahrs, but you have to work a lot to stay alive, more than it's probably worth.
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I am fucking raging.
First time on stage 6 UFO NORMAL
2 lives 3 bombs.
Gained 3 measly bombs from ufos
GO'd on the normal version of devil's recitation.
:getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :getdown: :V :V :V :V :V
Continued. Gained 5 bombs
beat her and only died once on NUESPHERE and The final
TIME FOR AN EXCUSE.
DAMMIT GAME STOP DROPPING TO 45 FPS AND THEN SUDDENLY ACCELERATING TO 60.
FUCKFUCKFUCK I CAN TOTALY 1cc this but I failed.
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WOO HOO UFO system is so cool I never had this happen to me berfore har har har
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4287/crysomemoar1.png (http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4287/crysomemoar1.png)
Yet the player manages to suck this bad?
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9012/crysomemoar2.png (http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9012/crysomemoar2.png)
Replay: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8375 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8375)
The past has repeated itself. This time with Sanae B: (Please see the original post. That was from almost two months, which makes this so embarrassing.)
http://tsundereworks.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/ufailo1.png (http://tsundereworks.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/ufailo1.png)
I have not tried UFO since my 1cc clear with Reimu B (Which was close BTW. Then I just played stage 2 Lunatic because of a challenge from Zengeku the Viking.
Oh, and look at Sanae. This is only a few milliseconds away from the kill.
BTW, You're absolutely right. Kogasa's Parasol Star Memories is total bullshit. (Yuugi may have Mt. Ooe, but that's the only bullshit card she's got.)
http://tsundereworks.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/ufailo2.png (http://tsundereworks.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/ufailo2.png)
w/e
As a person who is between Hard and Lunatic difficulty, this sucks like you can't imagine... (Exempt UFO. I cannot clear that in Hard.)[move] :getdown:
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BTW, what is it with people with the move function?
[matsuri]Please don't resize images with the img tags anymore. It still loads the full image, and each one is quite a bit over the 150kb filesize limit.[/matsuri]
<got it, thanks!>
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Byakuren.
I can't.
I decided to try Stage 6 on Normal mode, and I lost 7 lives to her (no bombs). All these nonspells are SO HARD for me, ON NORMAL MODE. Oh god, what will it be on Lunatic ? And the last spell, is there a trick I'm missing ? I try to capture it, again and again but no, I can't.
:getdown::getdown::getdown:
I don't know how I managed to 1cc UFO Normal. Maybe I should just stop playing for today.
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Yeah, really people. Just because you realize you have the ability to scroll words and spam smileys doesn't mean you should. It's getting really annoying.
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Yeah, really people. Just because you realize you have the ability to scroll words and spam smileys doesn't mean you should. It's getting really annoying.
gahhh I'm dying to everything today. I wish I wasn't so inconsistent all the time. :getdown:
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Capture last card wut? http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9028
Yeah, forget UFO. Not touching this game again. None of this stuff happened three months ago.
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Remilia is being evil again! I have gotten close to capturing Scarlet Meister quite a bunch of times today but i always fuck up. >:(
EDIT:
And now i got hit just as the attack was about to be over. The deathwave from getting hit ended the spellcard. :(
EDIT 2:
Arrggh fuck this attack. Luck has way too much to say in this attack and there isn't anything remarkable about capturing that spell anyway. Unless you can do it consistent its nothing more than getting lucky once. Hooray. A capture of Scarlet Meister is not even very different from a timeout of it because the timer is so short.
And there is no chance in hell i'll play the stage 200+ times just for a chance at a capture of a 15-second spellcard just to fail.
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EoSD Lunatic, default lives. Got to Sakuya before my first continue. :V
I know I could do it with max lives, but it's kind of lame.
Where I love to die : Cirno's Shotgun, everywhere in stage 3 (those blue kunais), China's spells.
I do great in stage 4, as I died once and it was a stupid death. Patchouli is not too hard once you know how to deal with the lasers, but some of her spells still suck. (ReimuA)
I fear Scarlet Gensokyo. I captured it one time, but now it always destroy me in practice mode and it could shit on my 1cc. :ohdear:
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Oh yes guys. Scrolling text and smily is damned annoying. Please stop it!
(Why'd they even make that possible to begin with? In what situation would that be appropriate?)
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isfpoiwnefidsgfsndpisuhg
What's with Yamame's opener on Lunatic ? WHY IS IT IMPOSSIBLE ?
I can perfect Stage 2, but not the first one, just because of this piece of shit.
fffffffffffffff :colonveeplusalpha:
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Mistake number 6:
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit166.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=585&u=12803292)
"Never thought this would come back around and bite me in the ass". That was a terrible Stage 5 run, by the way.
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isfpoiwnefidsgfsndpisuhg
What's with Yamame's opener on Lunatic ? WHY IS IT IMPOSSIBLE ?
I can perfect Stage 2, but not the first one, just because of this piece of shit.
fffffffffffffff :colonveeplusalpha:
If she moves downward first, bomb it. You're not getting past that shit. If she goes up, it's cool. Dodge in the direction away from the lowest point of the spiral.
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What's with Yamame's opener on Lunatic ? WHY IS IT IMPOSSIBLE ?
I beg to differ. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=7015)
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(In what situation would that be appropriate?)
In page 23/24 of a bitching and whining thread. :V
[move][move] :getdown:
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On topic: Sanae on Luantic. fffffff
As if it wasn't clippy enough in Hard...
Of course, she's easy. (The game is too easy for a Lunatic, IMO) but it is annoying to try to dodge, and get killed by something you were never expecting in the first place /English , AND stock full of bombs.
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I captured Tele-mesmerism.
But I got hit by Reisen's third non-spell.
I am not certain how I'm supposed to feel.
I also remembered what I heard about Tewi. Apparently her attack is static relative to her position. Those Japanese scorerunners apparently have a safespot in the lower right-hand corner memorized.
EDIT: Apparently.
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EoSD Hard Practice. I enter Scarlet Gensokyo 0/0.
Get her to about 10-15% life.
WALLED! >:(
Randomness: Fun until it's not.
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I beg to differ. (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=7015)
I beg to differ from your begging to differ.
Are you consistent on that? I can't seem to make it work. I might not be doing it right though. If you are to put it into words what is it exactly that you do? What i see in your replay is the red bullets not getting far enough down the screen and you stream along the bottom. It doesn't always line the bullets up for you like that though. I was
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I beg to differ from your begging to differ.
Are you consistent on that? I can't seem to make it work. I might not be doing it right though. If you are to put it into words what is it exactly that you do? What i see in your replay is the red bullets not getting far enough down the screen and you stream along the bottom. It doesn't always line the bullets up for you like that though. I was
Hard to judge exactly, since I don't play that level much anymore, but I've gotten it most of the time. I'm not sure I can explain every detail about the attack, but the best I can say is that by making the wide move before the second set of red bullets begins to move, said red bullets won't be in a position to wall you (not as well as if you barely moved, anyway). Again, don't quote me on that - it's been a while since I've tried her opener. All I know is that method gives me at least partial success, whatever way it's supposed to work, so I still use it.
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Things I need to stop sucking at:
Keine
ALL OF STAGE 4
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Aya on MoF...just...ugh...
I got so close to a 1cc of MoF on Normal, had like 6 lives by stage 3. Played through stage 3, and I think I died once.
Okay, I think, I'm gonna show that Tengu who's boss. :V
Next thing I know, I lose a life/bomb on all of her cards, die with 2 SECONDS left on Illusionary Dominance, and somehow lose THREE FRIGGIN' LIVES on her last card. ;_;
Stage 5 passes without a fluke.
I enter stage 6 with I think 1 life. I die on KANAKO'S SECOND TO LAST CARD. The end of my 1cc.
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Aya on MoF...just...ugh...
I got so close to a 1cc of MoF on Normal, had like 6 lives by stage 3. Played through stage 3, and I think I died once.
Okay, I think, I'm gonna show that Tengu who's boss. :V
Next thing I know, I lose a life/bomb on all of her cards, die with 2 SECONDS left on Illusionary Dominance, and somehow lose THREE FRIGGIN' LIVES on her last card. ;_;
Stage 5 passes without a fluke.
I enter stage 6 with I think 1 life. I die on KANAKO'S SECOND TO LAST CARD. The end of my 1cc.
Optimize your Stage 1-3 strategy.
Extra lives are based on score, and iirc you get lives at 20, 40, 80, 150, and 300 million points. You also get lives after Midbosses 3 and 5.
Let me start with saying that you will not reach 300 million points unless you NDNB the first five stages all at the while maximizing your Faith and keeping it's decline at a minimum. Doing that you should be able to amass at the very least 240,000 FP.
When fighting I. Dominance, fly up to the median of the screen and then slowly go down while dodging the streams.
And if I remember correctly Kanako's penultimate card is the one with blue streams and bullets everywhere heading in your direction. Move in a circle and at the top of which try not to hit Kanako. If you feel that you may, (death?)bomb.
I cleared MOF on Normal but then again I entered Stage 6 with like 6 lives :3
Aya's one card, with the fast blue bullets and the random falling? HATE
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Optimize your Stage 1-3 strategy.
Extra lives are based on score, and iirc you get lives at 20, 40, 80, 150, and 300 million points. You also get lives after Midbosses 3 and 5.
Let me start with saying that you will not reach 300 million points unless you NDNB the first five stages all at the while maximizing your Faith and keeping it's decline at a minimum. Doing that you should be able to amass at the very least 240,000 FP.
When fighting I. Dominance, fly up to the median of the screen and then slowly go down while dodging the streams.
And if I remember correctly Kanako's penultimate card is the one with blue streams and bullets everywhere heading in your direction. Move in a circle and at the top of which try not to hit Kanako. If you feel that you may, (death?)bomb.
I cleared MOF on Normal but then again I entered Stage 6 with like 6 lives :3
Aya's one card, with the fast blue bullets and the random falling? HATE
I neglected to mention I'm using Reimu A. I feel that using that shot type in particular minimizes my Faith loss. Thanks for the tips; I guess I'd better retry.
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There is no extend at 300,000,000. At least I don't remember there being an extend at 300,000,000.
Not using bombs in MoF is terrible for scoring. You can bomb final boss nonspells for score, and there are stage parts where you gain faith for bombing despite the 3,000 Faith penalty. And if you deathbomb, you don't even lose the 3,000 Faith.
It's probably the easiest game in the series to play for score. SA has suiciding and bombspamming for graze. UFO is UFO. PCB has borders, bombing for cherry, suicides. EoSD and before have bombing and suiciding for score purposes. IN requires you to know every safespot in the game and milk graze and time.
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I've 1cc'd MoF normal! That's the last normal Windows shooter I had to beat, so yeah!
Nowww. Does that mean I move on to Hard? D;
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I've 1cc'd MoF normal! That's the last normal Windows shooter I had to beat, so yeah!
Nowww. Does that mean I move on to Hard? D;
Extras are, in general, easier than hard 1ccs, so if you haven't beaten those, they would be the next logical step to make.
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Extras are, in general, easier than hard 1ccs, so if you haven't beaten those, they would be the next logical step to make.
Exempt UFO Extra stage portion ha ha, old chap!
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Exempt UFO Extra stage portion ha ha, old chap!
But in exchange, Nue is easier than Normal mode. Unless you have one of the shottypes that can't kill UFOs worth anything. SanaeA, how the hell do you do RED UFOs and Blue UFOs with her. I can't even get far in the fight like MarisA and SanaeB who I beat it with because these things are fucking impossible with SanaeA and probably a few others.
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I've had a UN Owen remix stuck in my head ALL DAY and I can't find the specific remix on Youtube. X(
Edit: Found it.
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But in exchange, Nue is easier than Normal mode. Unless you have one of the shottypes that can't kill UFOs worth anything. SanaeA, how the hell do you do RED UFOs and Blue UFOs with her. I can't even get far in the fight like MarisA and SanaeB who I beat it with because these things are fucking impossible with SanaeA and probably a few others.
Hmm, I wouldn't know. I've been able to play as Reimu B (Or A, I'm not sure) and I always get kicked by the stage portion. Nue herself isn't that bad.
I would have this Extra beat if I could practice the spell cards without having to be at the mercy of Kogasa and the stage. =/
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I just realized this is in the wrong thread. It should be in the accomplishment thread. Oops.
Buuuut it looks like this has sparked a nice little conversation, so whatever.
Extras? I suppose they are somewhat easy, but I die too quickly, and rarely get past the midboss. I suppose I need to memorize the stages then.
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I just realized this is in the wrong thread. It should be in the accomplishment thread. Oops.
Buuuut it looks like this has sparked a nice little conversation, so whatever.
Extras? I suppose they are somewhat easy, but I die too quickly, and rarely get past the midboss. I suppose I need to memorize the stages then.
Ha! I didn't even notice that :P
Yeah, IMO, and most people seem to agree on this as well: Extra stages are more about memorization than they are skill. That's how I did PCB's Extra.
That said, perfecting Extra for me is way too tedious unless I had something like savestates to be able to go back and forth spellcards.
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Dear UFO Stage 5:
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
The stage is bullshit, the boss is bullshit, and if I could just get this stage done RIGHT I could 1cc the game and move on with my life. But no, I have to use up anywhere from 4-6 lives and even more bombs to clear it. I hate you, stage 5. I'm filing for divorce.
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If you're complaining about anything before Nazrin outside of the orb spam, it's just memorization.
PostNazrin without spread, what the hell Zun.
Shou sucks and is the reason I haven't cleared Hard. Byakuren to a lesser extent.
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If you're complaining about anything before Nazrin outside of the orb spam, it's just memorization.
the boss is bullshit
Vajra oh hell no
Piece of shit laser runs in for the kill and the Reimu can't keep up with the laser holy shit I hate that thing
Don't even start with curvy lasers because those things are easily dealt with a bomb. First spell is a piece of shit.
/raeg :o
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I've captured every attack Shou has on Hard before, but I can't get a decent fight against her in an actual run.
I can usually do the opener, but I sometimes bomb. bomb/death, bomb/death, capturable usually, She rams into after I deplete her health from the safespot or I die to her ramming into me during the safespot or I stay down and die/bomb. Bomb/die, Bomb/die
How can anyone find this boss to be fun. Give me SoEW Marisa, Yuka, Yumeko, Sakuya, Youmu, Reisen, Sanae, or Orin any day. They are all much better stage 5(4 for Marisa) bosses than Shou is.
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I've actually more or less got Shou's non-spells consistant now, which is terrifying in itself.
Now if I could get a better cap rate on RTG than 4/85 then it'd be a good start. I treat her second as a survival card, autobomb Vajra and am getting better at Complete Clarification.
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There is no extend at 300,000,000. At least I don't remember there being an extend at 300,000,000.
Not using bombs in MoF is terrible for scoring. You can bomb final boss nonspells for score, and there are stage parts where you gain faith for bombing despite the 3,000 Faith penalty. And if you deathbomb, you don't even lose the 3,000 Faith.
It's probably the easiest game in the series to play for score. SA has suiciding and bombspamming for graze. UFO is UFO. PCB has borders, bombing for cherry, suicides. EoSD and before have bombing and suiciding for score purposes. IN requires you to know every safespot in the game and milk graze and time.
I distinctly remember a 300M extend. Unless it's Easy-exclusive :(
My easy score is 342M while my normal score is like 210.
I remember it because, well... I was failing hard at Kanako once.
On my last life...
GET SPELL CARD BONUS!
16,400,000
EXTEND!!
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FUCK YOU REMILIA.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
I got to her last nonspell in my Lunatic 1cc attemp, then I died because it's shit.
fffffffffffffffff doing this with default lives is insane. I think I'm just going to do it with max lives even if it's lame.
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I distinctly remember a 300M extend. Unless it's Easy-exclusive :(
Just did an Easy 1cc to confirm and there's no 300m extend.
Also, Mountain of Faith Easy is the. most. irritating. card. ever.
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Just did an Easy 1cc to confirm and there's no 300m extend.
Also, Mountain of Faith Easy is the. most. irritating. card. ever.
Oh, damn. I wonder where I got that from :<
I could have sworn...
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SanaeA, how the hell do you do RED UFOs and Blue UFOs with her. I can't even get far in the fight like MarisA and SanaeB who I beat it with because these things are fucking impossible with SanaeA and probably a few others.
Dude, Red UFO is piss easy no matter what shot you're using. Blue UFO's is only marginally harder if you're using Reimu A or Sanae A. Maybe Marisa B, too.
Buuut~ WHY THE HELL AM I TRYING TO 1CC UFO HARD WITH REIMU B? SCREW YOU SHOU AND YOUR FREAKING RADIANT TREASURE.
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so I played SA with Marisa/Alice, getting somewhere for the first time
interesting shot type, probably slightly underpowered but I have no complaints about it
what I would like to bitch about is satori. I don't recollect any of those spells, and I just 1cced PCB Lunatic >:(
I kept waiting for, like, "recollection: that fucking noncard where the red arrows come down and then the blue arrows come down slightly later so that you don't have time to sightread them"
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I treat her second as a survival card, autobomb Vajra and am getting better at Complete Clarification.
I found out that her second card is, contrary to the Normal version, much easier if you stick to the center the whole time. Once or twice you'll have to fly around a row of arrowheads between laser times, but aside from that it's very easy to survive, even to time out.
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Move in a circle? Miracle of Otensui/Source of Rains? Into the large blue bullet area? That's just crazy :V I don't think I can adequately describe what I do, so see a crappy old video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fd1PjS9GTA#t=8m30s). I still use the same overall technique; it works on any difficulty but Easy.
Illusionary Dominance: I typically stay in the bottom left corner (although the bottom right corner works just as well). That automatically avoids about half the bullets.
Also, there is no extend at 300 million. Extends are only at 20, 40, 80, and 150 million, plus the two on stages 3 and 5.
edit: whoa, replying to old posts from the previous page Ha ha, old chap!. brb, scorerunning easy
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I've posted that complaint about Source of Rains before.
Don't you just hate cards that are harder on Easy than they are on Normal? Or on Normal than they are on Hard? Or on Hard than they are on Lunatic? This card does all 3 of those. It's still easy to screw up on Lunatic though.
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I think it's easiest on Normal, personally.
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what I would like to bitch about is satori. I don't recollect any of those spells, and I just 1cced PCB Lunatic >:(
Two out of three of Satori's recollections aren't from PCB. One is from StB, the other is Alice's deathbomb from IN.
And the third one, at least on Normal, is from PCB.
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Satori Alice:
Spring Kyoto Dolls - PCB
Artfull Sacrafice - IN
Kamakazi Strawdolls - StB
The all suck
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Two out of three of Satori's recollections aren't from PCB. One is from StB, the other is Alice's deathbomb from IN.
And the third one, at least on Normal, is from PCB.
The third one is an original spellcard based on a spellcard from Immaterial and Missing Power.
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In today's episode of GuyonFire Triest to 1cc UFO:
Game over at Flying Fantastica. With only about 10% of the lifebar left.
I have never actually screamed "NOOOO!" out loud before. Welp.
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Why are so many people GOing at FF?
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I could have won. My EoSD Lunatic 1cc could have been successful.
BUT NO. A little piece of shit fairy of Stage 6 RAN INTO ME and I entered Remilia with one life. I made it to Scarlet Meister.
With one more life, I could have made it.
Oh fuck you, fairy. Next time I will bomb Stage 6.
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I can't believe what just happened.
I left Stage 5 3/0. Let's assume I die once on Stage 6, still leaves me 2/2 for Byakuren, plus whatever bonuses I get.
I die twice and get there 1/3. Once because I mess up the first green UFO for the first time ever and run out of luck about 4 seconds into random dodging, the second to the FIRST WAVE OF NUE'S ATTACK.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i293/Arcengal/waytomessitallup.jpg)
Going into one of my most feared spells 0/0, I mess up an intermediate wave.
Did I mention that this run included a NBND TIMEOUT OF VAJRA OF PERFECT ****ING BUDDHISM!? I'm probably never going to get that lucky again... I feel sick.
Replay here: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9056
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How can you possibly get this far in UFO Lunatic ? God, this game is inhuman, I can't even capture Nazrin's last spell in Stage 1, I can't remember where and when I must catch UFOs, I can't get to Stage 3 with more than 1 life.
I tried Stage 5 and 6, and what is this, how can you possibly win there ?
Well, like the game says, it's for the chosen ones I suppose. :V
(I hope I'll be this good someday :ohdear:)
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How can you possibly get this far in UFO Lunatic ?
An unbelievably large amount of practice. As an illustration, my Greatest Treasure history is currently 3/157. Also, knowing what to bomb because you can't do it (Murasa's 3rd non-card, PSM, etc).
Edit: You're probably better than me at EoSD. My best is getting to Vampire illusion.
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My Luna-dick UFO Runs:
Rod Sign Busy Rod 15 / 15
Defense Sign Nazrin Pendulum 07 / 15
Hello Forgotten World 03 / 15
Parasol Star Memories 01 / 15
Water Repelling Bone Dry Monster 06 / 15
Monster Train Card 00 / 15
Mid!Ichirin's Nonspell: Death
.it's kind of embarassing actually...
Despite this UFO is still my favorite game in the entire series.
Bar Mountain of Faith or Perfect Cherry Blossom.
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Satori's recollection.
Every single one of Orin's and Utsuho's spells
>.<
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Why are so many people GOing at FF?
Because that card is bullshit.
I could not die on all of UFO and then I'll practically clip FF four times.
I've never been able to <3 Death Stage 6. That's why I always have to arrive at Stage 6 with a lot of lives.
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It seems fairly straightforward to me.
I hated Mountain of Faith. I hated Eirin's everything. I hated Resurrection Butterfly, I hated Grudge Bow, I hated Suwako's everything, I hated the entire PCB Extra stage no. 1.
I don't mean to brag but the whole falling circles thing just isn't so hard. What's your strategy?
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Heart death stage 6 sounds pretty hard. Also I've never captured FF either :U
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It seems fairly straightforward to me.
I hated Mountain of Faith. I hated Eirin's everything. I hated Resurrection Butterfly, I hated Grudge Bow, I hated Suwako's everything, I hated the entire PCB Extra stage no. 1.
I don't mean to brag but the whole falling circles thing just isn't so hard. What's your strategy?
Well, I'm going to say this:
First time I got to FF, I almost captured it. My strategy was to go through all the rings in a clockwise manner, starting from the middle, right under Byakuren. (I don't have a replay. =[
I was at 0/0 and Byakuren's life bar was around "-------------".
Ever since, I had trouble getting through the rings. I'm pretty sure it's static, though. Maybe take a look here: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=8613
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ugh
I'm so used to PCB reimu's preposterous deathbomb timer
merely sane timers now seem unfair to me
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Play CAVE shmups! Never take deathbombs for granted again! [/advicedog]
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Play CAVE shmups! Never take deathbombs for granted again! [/advicedog]
You know what? I'm going to do that... I feel like I need a break from Touhou anyway. Too much of a memorize fest.
Don't some Cave shooters have a deathtimer, though?
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Satori recollection
Everything from Orin and Utsuho.
Damn it, SA Normal 1cc is so freaking hard.
Maybe I should go work on EoSD Hard 1cc instead since I managed to get to Remilia's 1st card in lunatic without continue...
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If there's one thing I hate more than bashing my face against a problem until I can't see straight it's watching that same problem roll over and die the next time I so much as poke it.
After several instances of reaching Byakuren 4/2 or better and eating a facefull of fail, today I reached her at 3/0, and left 1/2.
Oh, and this is my first UFO normal 1cc. *party blower*
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UFO made me rage almost every time.
In my 1cc, I got to Byakuren with 6/5 and ended up with 0/1 (didn't know about timing out the last spell...)
I can't even get pass stage 2 in lunatic (even in SA I continued my way to stage 5).
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I think the deathbomb timer is just right, actually. Except in IN, of course. It's ludicrous.
On my first UFO 1cc I entered Stage 6 with max lives and 4 bombs.
I exited with 7 lives and 7 bombs.
When I first started playing Touhou, I. NEVER. BOMBED.
Something about me never really playing shmups with bombs in them.
So when I perfected Stage 3 MOF Easy on my very first time playing Touhou, I was yelled at for not using bombs :(
People at school are so backwards
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Well you should be bombing for Faith, at the very least :hurrsuperfluousnitpick:
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Well you should be bombing for Faith, at the very least :hurrsuperfluousnitpick:
It took me a week and a half to figure out the scoring system.
I'm just reluctant to bomb when I'm not on 5.00 power.
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Grrr... something like 7 EoSD lunatic runs in a row today that didn't make it past Sakuya due to random stupidity (particularly on level 4). Once I died 3 times in a row with no bombs used. Decided to just do one run on hard for a change of pace and a quick 1cc. Of course, this time I died FOUR times in stage 4 without bombing. And, guess what, game overed on Sakuya, again, somehow. Argh... T.T
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That argument is valid for every spellcard in existance, I'm not sure why you brought it up. Memorizing non-random patterns would take far less time than lucking through everything.
Scarlet Meister is a very good example of this. It can go from a complete clusterfuck to a card thats just pretty hard. While it may be perfectly possible to dodge it no matter what happens. Its a very short spellcard so there is a much higher chance for the player to luck their way through that one than cards like VoWG or LFO.
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Its a very short spellcard so there is a much higher chance for the player to luck their way through that one than cards like VoWG or LFO.
Although you can still luck through VoWG if you power through it with Ma-*shot*.
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So I decided to play SA with Marisa "It's okay to screw up if you bomb first!" C.
I bombed, survived some incredible stuff while invincible, the border ran out, and then I died within one second.
I laughed a little bit. Then it happened again on the next spell card.
And again on Utsuho. Twice.
...Really? <_<
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So I decided to play SA with Marisa "It's okay to screw up if you bomb first!" C.
I bombed, survived some incredible stuff while invincible, the border ran out, and then I died within one second.
I laughed a little bit. Then it happened again on the next spell card.
And again on Utsuho. Twice.
...Really? <_<
At least PCB borders give .2 seconds of invulnerability after the border ends naturally.
But when I use a border in SA, I always become more reckless...
and it doesn't work.
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So I decided to play SA with Marisa "It's okay to screw up if you bomb first!" C.
I bombed, survived some incredible stuff while invincible, the border ran out, and then I died within one second.
I laughed a little bit. Then it happened again on the next spell card.
And again on Utsuho. Twice.
...Really? <_<
SA? Borders?
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SA? Borders?
When's the last time you used Marisa C?
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When's the last time you used Marisa C?
I am... extremely unfond of MarisaC.
I used her once, and that's it.
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I am... extremely unfond of MarisaC.
I used her once, and that's it.
She's really great/fun for Extra, actually. Good for practicing/getting better at it as well.
Beating Normal with her might be strange, though...
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She's really great/fun for Extra, actually. Good for practicing/getting better at it as well.
Beating Normal with her might be strange, though...
I would have failed my first extra clear if not for her.
BAAAW SHAMELESS SELF PROMOTION (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBqn_b9EgSY#t=4m2s)
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I am... extremely unfond of MarisaC.
I used her once, and that's it.
Well if you never bombed then there's probably good reason for that.
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit136.png) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=588&u=12803292)
I seem to be prone to falling into this never ending cycle.
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Still experimenting with ReimuB in EoSD, because I really hate not being able to micrododge with MarisaA (even though the latter is otherwise better in every aspect). Doing Stage 3 Lunatic to practice Meiling. At her last card, I shotgun for a second, then start moving back down. All of the bullets are well above me, but out of nowhere, PICHUUUN!
...what the fuck EoSD?
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I don't think I want to scorerun IN now after trying stuff in spell practice. I can't milk Wriggle. I can't milk Mystia(not that she has anything good to milk), I can't milk Keine's midboss card, I can't milk Keine, I can't milk Marisa's stuff, I can't milk Reisen's stuff, and I can't milk Kaguya's stuff.
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Y'know, dedication is good and all. But I should probably stop running the same thing over and over again after I notice myself playing significantly worse than when I started. And then restarting if I have too many stupid deaths before stage 4 (which is happening increasingly often). If I never have to fight Rumia again, it'll be too soon -.-
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Trying to capture all the spellcards I've unlocked thus far in practice.
Astronomical Entombing is a huge pain with Alice solo. At least with Yukari, I can get Ran to lock on and just micrododge, but Alice has to be directly under Eirin in order to do any damage. >_<
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Why the hell does invincibility runs out RIGHT when the bomb end?
Made me died in heaven and hell melt down 3 times in the row!
Totally ruined my 1cc.
I WANT MY 1CC ARRRHH!
At least I figured out how to no death stage 1-4.
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Why the hell does invincibility runs out RIGHT when the bomb end?
...because the bomb ended?
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I can't milk Keine
Milk Keine HA! (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/316094/animal-auer-bird-cow-ex-keine-fujiwara_no_mokou-fu)
@Topic
Another two fails at Subterranean Flower Rose. I lose my counting.
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Trying to capture all the spellcards I've unlocked thus far in practice.
Astronomical Entombing is a huge pain with Alice solo. At least with Yukari, I can get Ran to lock on and just micrododge, but Alice has to be directly under Eirin in order to do any damage. >_<
Try a Yuyuko solo. Has the same micrododge speed as Yukari, but the butterflies deal more damage than Ran.
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I got caved by EX Keine.
Now I have to delete IN from my work computer.
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and now, immediately after clearing PCB Lunatic, it seems Rook has met his match...
SA Normal :V
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit170.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=594&u=12803292)
Sans the obviously not awesome 2.00/1.50/1.50/1.29(or .30) shot, what am I doing different? It's like as if I need absolutely perfect precision with the timing on this.
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I thought, for one tiny moment there, that I had stage 5 sorted. I captured Greatest Treasure on my first attempt of the day and got to Shou no-deaths.
Then I died 4 times to RTG.
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Why am I dying to Fantasy Seal Fader constantly when nothing is touching me in spell practice. I'm worried this could possibly happen to me on a real run sometime, which would suck.
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Ok, SA stage 1 is seriously becoming the bane of my existence. It seems that I now either die to Well-dropping Bucket Monster or Yamame's opener the majority of the time, leading to a restart. And another. And another. I swear it's getting worse. I just made 7 attempts on the stage, and never once got to Yamame's first spellcard before restarting. Oddly, stage two is much easier to survive without dying, and nothing else in the game seems to involve as many fiddly annoying deaths. I just wish I could stop doing this stage over and over. >.<
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I believe Horror "Well Bucket Dropping Monster" (?) involves random bullets.
And Yamame's opener is admittedly more annoying than her second nonspell.
But stage 2, I find, is a lot worse than stage 1.
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Someone once posted around here about SA:
Stage 1 is a Stage 2 in disguise.
Stage 2 is a Stage 1.5 in disguise.
Stage 3 is a Stage 4 in disguise.
Stage 4 is Stage 4...in disguise!
Stage 5 is OHGODWHATISTHIS
Stage 6 is a Stage 4 in disguise.
Or something extremely similar to that. It was a ways back.
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Stage 5 is OHGODWHATISTHIS
Seconded. When I feel as much accomplishment perfecting a Stage 5 (stage portion) as I do no-deathing a final boss, I know something's wrong.
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Somehow I still die easily in stage 6 though.
For me, Stage 5 = Stage 6 survival wise because I bomb every single one of Orin's card and 3/5 of Okuu's card.
Okuu has more lives than Orin, so yeah. The stage portion can be perfected easily IMO, at least in normal.
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UFO Hard(and Lunatic)
Stage 1- probably more like Stage 3 for the stage part(on Lunatic, Hard is simple), boss is mostly fine.
Stage 2: Fine for a stage 2(on Hard at least) for the stage, Kogasa should be in stage 4 because that does not belong on stage 2
Stage 3: Typical Stage 5 difficulty
Stage 4: Just how it should be.
Stage 5: What the fuck is this shit? Shou is a fun boss(to watch people get owned by) but complete bullshit and not fun to fight yourself.
Stage 6: Fine for a final stage. Byakuren, So much clipdeath.
Hell, the game clipdeaths you way too much throughout.
Edit: Tried PCB Stage 6 Lunatic Perfect
Die to stage spam(seriously, how the fuck do you do this?), die to Deadly Dance twice, die to Ghost Knives, die to Flowery Soul, Die to Sumizome, die to Resurrection Butterfly. I think I'll stick with final stages that I actually have a chance of perfecting some day(FinalB)
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Someone once posted around here about SA:
Stage 1 is a Stage 2 in disguise.
Stage 2 is a Stage 1.5 in disguise.
Stage 3 is a Stage 4 in disguise.
Stage 4 is Stage 4...in disguise!
Stage 5 is OHGODWHATISTHIS
Stage 6 is a Stage 4 in disguise.
Or something extremely similar to that. It was a ways back.
Haha. Yeah, I can sort of see that. I certainly find stage 2 much easier than stage 1. Well, the STAGE part of stage 2 is extremely easy, even on lunatic (I think I may have died once, in all my numerous attempts), and Parsee is quite reasonable. It's not so much that stage 1 is hard, or anything. But I find it extremely irritating. Dying that early in the game almost demands a restart. And, frankly, I found the stage boring even BEFORE I starting seeing it many times more often than every other stage >.>
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Haha. Yeah, I can sort of see that. I certainly find stage 2 much easier than stage 1. Well, the STAGE part of stage 2 is extremely easy, even on lunatic (I think I may have died once, in all my numerous attempts), and Parsee is quite reasonable. It's not so much that stage 1 is hard, or anything. But I find it extremely irritating. Dying that early in the game almost demands a restart. And, frankly, I found the stage boring even BEFORE I starting seeing it many times more often than every other stage >.>
People aren't finishing off their credits what is this >:|
(seriously, how the fuck do you do this?)
I find this appropriate:
"Lunatic Training (http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7688/r2entrynobu.gif)" by Nobu (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1308).
Choose one.
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I think I'll stick with final stages that I actually have a chance of perfecting some day (FinalB)
You must be thinking of the wrong FinalB. The Kaguya one, with Hourai Jewel and Brilliant Dragon Bullet and Life Spring Infinity and five last spells? It's hard enough capturing those consistently in spell practice, let alone in a run with ragequits. It could be done, but hello luck and ragequitting.
Yuyuko is fond of static spells. This is why there are perfect runs of her. Kaguya, not so much. Hell, Kefit only managed a no-death run, and that was a while ago.
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That went worse than expected. I enter Remilia 4/2 (this time on DEFAULT lives) and die with both bombs on her opener.
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Vampire Illusion, I accidentally get bammed by a bubble bullet. Two bombs in stock.
:<
Ended 2/0 because I captured Scarlet Gensokyo, but this was my chance to redeem that last run! D: Of course, if I really cared about ending with lots of resources, I'd stop using Marisa A (Patchy ;-;)...
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Talk about capturing Scarlet Gensokyo...
At least you can do it.
My record on hard is 1/100 and on lunatic I often go in with 2/3 and come out with 0/0 (if at all)
Survive the big wave and 3 small waves, and often you get a huge wall slamming in your face right after...
How do you do Pachy's Emerald clusterfuck (lunatic)?
I've capped her other cards a few times (Marisa B , so no dangerous leaf wind) before.
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I can't get a decent run of UFO Stage 1 going anymore to try for another 1cc. Oddly enough, I keep losing to Gold Detector, which I'm sure I can do, rather than Defence Prism which I'd be quite happy to bomb.
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I can't get to stage 5 anymore on PCB without completely choking at Youmu. I'll go in with maybe 5 or 6 lives, do horrible on all of her cards, and go into stage 6 with maybe 2 lives, and then lose one at Youmu's nonspell.
Seriously that nonspell is bad enough. The first part anyway. bad enough she uses it 3 times as her opener.
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1DNB of Ran's timeout phase.
Admittedly, it wouldn't be impressive anyway as the safespot still exists, and I failed at it.
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Two derps on Tewi, two on S6. Nine wasted bombs.
GAAAAAAA
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STOP DYING AT MIDBOSS NUE FOR THE LOVE OF
And I was *THIS* close to capturing PSM. *THIS* close. But then I freaked out at the drumbeat noises and died.
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Grr... those large solid bullets in EoSD are the bane of my recent existence (ie: Remilia practice). I swear that, no matter how many times I tell myself their hitbox is deceptively large, I'm still caught off guard by them. It's like I still haven't developed the ability to 'feel' their hitbox when I'm moving around them. I swear, sometimes it looks like they've hit me BEFORE they touch me, even. T.T
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[12:52] <theshim|IN> oh
[12:52] <theshim|IN> my
[12:52] <theshim|IN> GOD
[12:52] <theshim|IN> Game over on Astronomical Entombing
[12:52] <theshim|IN> 1099 point items
[12:52] <theshim|IN> BKLASDJBFG,ADBVJFLDKAFJBNVDJKAF,VGDFJKABADVJHJKADFBVHADJ,BVGADJBVGDJKAFBVMADVFHGADJKBVDAJ
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[12:52] <theshim|IN> Game over on Astronomical Entombing
[12:52] <theshim|IN> 1099 point items
That's probably the worst thing I've ever heard. In other news, hitbox dissonance is the bane of mankind.
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DAR GARBLEGARGH ARGH!
I started MS lunatic with the sole purpose of figuring out Luize's laser phase. No deaths or bombs until said phase.
Game over while timing it out. Twice. I just don't know what the fuck with that attack. Anyone has a tip to beat it consistently? ;_;
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You must be thinking of the wrong FinalB. The Kaguya one, with Hourai Jewel and Brilliant Dragon Bullet and Life Spring Infinity and five last spells? It's hard enough capturing those consistently in spell practice, let alone in a run with ragequits. It could be done, but hello luck and ragequitting.
Yuyuko is fond of static spells. This is why there are perfect runs of her. Kaguya, not so much. Hell, Kefit only managed a no-death run, and that was a while ago.
I'm consistent enough at most of the attacks, yes this includes Lifespring Infinity and Hourai Jewel.. I've recently figured out Eirin's opener. Brilliant Dragon Bullet is generally doable, but easy to mess up. Second nonspell needs some practice, and so does the third. Buddhist Diamond can be an issue, but it's can be cleared quickly enough. Second Last Spell and Rising World are big issues though. The other 3 aren't bad.
Several of us here have no death runs of Final B. I actually got a No Death FinalB run on a 1cc recently. I had bombed Eirin's opener because I didn't know how it worked yet, Kaguya's opener because I misread it, and screwed up Brilliant Dragon Bullet by moving too far, then perfected the rest up to the first Last Spell where I failed at 0 seconds left. Then captured the other 2 I was consistent at. Really, I just need to figure out a few of the attacks. Rising World does suck though when thinking of trying that.
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Game over while timing it out. Twice. I just don't know what the fuck with that attack. Anyone has a tip to beat it consistently? ;_;
Be specific about where you're dying here. I have a one-in-two chance of guessing where you die. Also, use the help function here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=4151.0) >:|
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That said, the only tip I can give here is that the lasers are pseudo-static, so all you have to do is align yourself just a tiny bit to the side and the lasers will miss by default.
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Pseudo-static? As in they're static from Luize's position or something?
Anyway, I tried Luize one more time, FINALLY perfected her, and decided to see where the run would go. Long story short, I'm at Devil's Recitation (Yuka BTW) 2/3. As a bullet's coming at me, I try to press the bomb key, and my finger fumbles. Suddenly the screen froze, and a few seconds later it came back, and only then did the bomb respond. The problem? This was taken from my bomb stock the NEXT life. I pressed the button well before the bullet hit me, so whatever I did must have locked my controls too. So I went from 2/3 to ending 0/2.
:< Oh well, a Yuka 1cc is a Yuka 1cc.
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Pseudo-static? As in they're static from Luize's position or something?
Aye.
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Aaaah. That might help more than you'd imagine. Thanks~
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NOOOO HOW DID I GAME OVER ON LEGENDARY FLYING OBJECT HARD WITH 2 BOMBS IN STOCK
I WAS ONE FIFTH OF A LIFEBAR TO 1CCING HARD
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Urrgghh... I've about had it with Kaguya and her damn Hourai Jewel. How the fuck does that qualify as a final spellcard? How can ZUN make the finale of one of his games being something that doesn't have anything to do with the players skill but only depends on if the player has memorized it or not.
As it so happens, i haven't memorized it so i die. That's basically how it goes. Other memo cards are at least either A: possible to sight-read or B: can be eliminated with a bomb. Hourai Jewel... just sucks! I even found this Enigma replay which was commented that it is pretty easy once you know where to turn! How can you say that and still have trouble with Terukuni i'll ask? No need though. The answer is that nothing but memorization is required to deal with Hourai Jewel and if you don't have it all down it becomes impossible. What the hell.
... Phew... sorry for ranting but really, that card sucks so hard. I'd rather time out LFO and sleep with Byakuren afterwards than play that card again... (aside from Lunatic runs anyway...)
Does anyone even enjoy that card?
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Does anyone even enjoy that card?
It's why Eirin is a better final boss than Kaguya. Though better =/= easier or harder.
Kaguya only has her spell rush to make up for the fact that Hourai Jewel is boring as hell.
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Hourai Jewel is very much the low point of the Kaguya fight. The rest of it is fine making her still a better boss than Eirin. Just going for survival is simple now, but I haven't figured out the scoring method for it yet(vertical streaming).
I liked Hourai Jewel more before I figured out how it worked.
Astronomical Entombing can be trivialized, but I don't take advantage of that.
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Note to self: If you're having a shitty, depressing day, do NOT play SA. :(
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game over on Scarlet Weather Rapture of All Humankind FFFFFFFFF-
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Hourai Jewel is very much the low point of the Kaguya fight. The rest of it is fine making her still a better boss than Eirin. Just going for survival is simple now, but I haven't figured out the scoring method for it yet(vertical streaming).
I liked Hourai Jewel more before I figured out how it worked.
Astronomical Entombing can be trivialized, but I don't take advantage of that.
I only have one problem with Eirin's boss battle: Omoikane's Wrath. While its normally easy enough, its very easy to mess up and push a button too hard. You need to be very precise to do it. So yeah, i prefer Kaguya too. Hourai Jewel may suck for being such a memorization whore that it is but the rest of her cards (even though i still don't understand LSI) are much better: They are quite colorful, brilliant dragon bullet is much more manageable now that i know what i'm doing and i found it that it is pretty much possible to survive whatever Buddhist Diamond throws at me which makes it a pretty fun attack.
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Finally made it to philosophy, with 1 extra life as well
Genetics = holy shit (somehow made it through with 3 bombs and didn't clip anything)
then in philosophy...
*so I will just bomb whenever the roses get anywhere near me...*
survives a bit...
*derp* death
*shiiiit.... but don't worry I have 4 bombs. only 20 seconds left so I should bomb spam...*
*PICHUN*
AARGH
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I FUCKING HATE MYSELF AND THIS FUCKING GAME
FUCK SUBTERREAN ANIMISM
IT'S 3 DAMN MONTHS I TRY TO LUNATIC 1CC
3 MONTHS
Yesterday:
Got to Orin with 5 lives. Lost four of them, ragequit.
Today:
After many restarts, reached Stage 4. Died 2 times there and ragequitted.
Various restarts.
Deaths at Stage 3, ragequits.
Last try, got to stage 2 boss, died on opener.
NOW, WHY THE GODDAMN FUCK DO I MAKE MISTAKES ON THE EASIEST THINGS EVER. IM SO ANGRY.
I want to 1CC this so badly, but I also want to delete this fucker from my computer forever. I want to play other Touhou-s but I don't want to lose all the practice I have with TH11. FUCK.
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DAMMIT SHOU.
I HAD SEVEN FUCKING LIVES WHY DO I ONLY HAVE TWO LEFT *Raaaage*
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Thanks a lot UFO I had my daily dose of RAEG
20+ retries at S1 because of random derps during the stage. The bullets blended PRETTY DAMN well into the background.
And then my best run ended at Murasa's last spell. No UFO route memorized, nothing.
A ND1B Ichirin fight kind of makes up for it though.
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UFO stage 4 sucks SO BAD. It's not like S5, streaming and a bomb thrown in the mix, it's just relentless spam over all the screen, reducing the navigable area to around 2x2 pixels. What the hell ZUN it's even worse than S5.
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Omoikane requires even more memorization than Hourai Jewel does. I've only ever captured it when I was at full power and had access to Remilia(only during spell practice since I usually die before it)
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UFO stage 4 sucks SO BAD. It's not like S5, streaming and a bomb thrown in the mix, it's just relentless spam over all the screen, reducing the navigable area to around 2x2 pixels. What the hell ZUN it's even worse than S5.
UFO-hater wanna post reply: Stage 4 is probably the best part of UFO.
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Dammit. Cleared EoSD Extra for the 3rd time after ... 7 tries (all are ragequits during Royal Flare). Inconsistent as hell.
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745 attempts at SFN, best is 33 seconds left.
375 attempts at Pacifist Astronomical Entombing. Best is 47 seconds left, with about 6 times where I got to 51 seconds left.
I will time both of these out some day.
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UFO-hater wanna post reply: Stage 4 is probably the best part of UFO.
I merely seem to fuck up an abnormal number of times during S4. I can dodge, apparently, but not in that stage.
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S4 is dodging
rest is memorization garbage
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Of course. Because UFO can't possibly be down to skill. NO WAY. >:V
Anyway, another 1DNB Murasa fight, this time screwing up on the last ten seconds of Dipper Creeping Close. I even had the rhythm required to trivialize it too...
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S4 is dodging
rest is memorization garbage
I still don't see where this whole UFO memorization thing is coming from. :/
If with "memorization" you mean "figuring out how to handle the stage", than you are correct. The same can be said for Progear.
Anyway, 1DNB MoF stage 4 again. Died on Aya's last nonspell of all things.
*sigh*
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The same can be said for Progear.
And Dodonpachi. All of UFO except for S6 is dodging, with the "memorization garbage" that is knowing how to deal with each stage. Same as DDP then.
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For me, UFO isn't that much memorization, except for UFO sequence to maximize resources.
Stage 5 need memorization though, to maximize bombs and not screw up.
Boss spell cards usually need at least some memorization anyways in most of the games.
I think SA = UFO > everything else in terms of memo, which makes both of them the most annoying to 1cc for me so far.
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If with "memorization" you mean "figuring out how to handle the stage", than you are correct.
"Figuring out a UFO route". Baity gained OMGMULTIPLEEXTEND!s at the last part of S4 while all I could get were RAINBOW UFOs :V
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"Figuring out a UFO route". Baity gained OMGMULTIPLEEXTEND!s at the last part of S4 while all I could get were RAINBOW UFOs :V
If you need a good demonstration of an easy and practical UFO route I can make a replay for you. I've got stage 4 pretty much down by now and can snatch up 3 extra lives from it.
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"Figuring out a UFO route". Baity gained OMGMULTIPLEEXTEND!s at the last part of S4 while all I could get were RAINBOW UFOs :V
Uh, I'm terrible at memorization. All I've actually "memorized" from playing is the fact that Red goes to Blue which goes to Green which goes to Red, and staying close to UFOs delays the colour change. Everything else that I appear to have "memorized" is written on a piece of paper.
rest is memorization garbage
Y'know, every time I see this, I get tempted to ask (target person) for a 1cc.
If anything, IN requires more memorization than UFO.
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Other than possible optimal UFO routes (which I honestly found didn't require much memorization, except to avoid missing the occasional one), I don't think I found UFO more 'memorization-heavy' per se. It DID certainly require a lot more practice for me to get my hard 1cc in it than any other Touhou game. But I didn't go out of my way to memorize more than naturally happens when you play something a bunch of times.
I think, perhaps, that in UFO there's a greater variety of difficult attacks which each require slightly different tactics that have less 'overlap' between them than some other games. (ie: some read-and-dodge cards function pretty similarly to many ones, even if they LOOK different) And this makes it feel as though it's more memorization-heavy? Maybe?
But I think the only attacks that I really used any amount of specific memorization (other than a feel for a general approach to the card) was Nazrin Pendulum (which position had the easiest gaps for each wave), and of course Magic Butterfly (to be fair, probably one of the most micromem card in the game)
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If anything, IN requires more memorization than UFO.
I call friggin' shenanigans on this. I've 1cc'd IN Lunatic. I've put in a lot more time and still haven't 1cc'd UFO Hard.
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It's time for logic theater, starring Iji-Donut!
I call friggin' shenanigans on this. I've 1cc'd IN Lunatic. I've put in a lot more time and still haven't 1cc'd UFO Hard.
(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8075/donutyoulostme.jpg)
Now, let's think on this. If IN requires more memorization than UFO, that does not necessarily mean it's harder, does it? After all, the main three components of dodging in Touhou are memorization, bullet reading, and luck, right? This would mean that IN would be high on memorization, the most simple and easily manipulated of the three components.
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7223/indexcavcubfc.png) However, UFO is high on bullet reading, is it not? Call it what you will, dodging in UFO comes down to your ability to dodge on the fly. Though I actually have trouble with memorization, random dodging is considerably more difficult for the average person. Following me?
So, my point is that IN having more memorization than UFO would actually make it easier to 1cc, as UFO has more of the type of dodging that is harder! So please stop calling UFO memorization garbage! It is not, nor is it luckshit! It is too fucking hard for anyone with less than twenty motherfucking fingers and eyes of fucking danmaku perception to be able to follow. Thank you.
(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6698/hni0013.jpg)This has been a Donut logic theater. See you all next time!
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twenty motherfucking fingers
you're all fucking aliens
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On the topic of UFO's lunatic difficulty:
UFO's difficulty behaves weirdly when compared to the other games. The reason?
If you are sufficiently skilled to take on the stage patterns while also chaining UFOs properly, you'll get an incredible influx of resources, making the game much easier. Until you have reached that level for the given difficulty, you will have a really hard time. If you made a graph showing the skill level of the player against the actual performance in UFO, there would be a very noticeable bend at that point that other touhou games don't have. This effect is only strengthened by the fact that you lose one whole option every time you die.
Thus if you can barely clear other lunatics (like me), you will get ravaged by UFO lunatic. If you can clear other Lunatics with lots of spare resources, UFO will seem even easier by comparison.
Q.E.D.
...I think I should enframe this post and put it on top of my fireplace or something. Ah, but I'd need a fireplace for that first... :/
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^^ totally agree
I can enter Ichirin 6/8 or something ridiculous like that on normal.
On hard or lunatic? I'll be lucky if I actually get to stage 3 without continue > < cuz I can't get any UFOs.
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What? I was told SA was one of the most difficult Touhous because it has such an emphasis on skill.
Just like UFO, but not like IN. IN is so much more memorization, that is what probably makes it the easiest Touhou game. This is most obvious in Mokou's stage. Memorize and all shit is trivialized.
Put it this way: I'm close to 1cc'ing IN Lunatic, but I'm having major trouble 1cc'ing UFO on Normal again. /shame
On hard or lunatic? I'll be lucky if I actually get to stage 3 without continue > < cuz I can't get any UFOs.
Oh hell no wallshit stage portion 3. Only on Lunatic.
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GUYZ I DUN GET IT Y CANT I 1CC UFO LUNATIC (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9176)
Watch it. Seriously. I've seen 1cc's get only 6 Spell Cards. I've seen some with less. I've seen perfect runs.
Thus if you can barely clear other lunatics (like me), you will get ravaged by UFO lunatic. If you can clear other Lunatics with lots of spare resources, UFO will seem even easier by comparison.
This... doesn't really say much. If you're barely clearing, then naturally it will still be difficult across all games to get another 1cc. And then, if you're clearing with a notable amount of resources left, then of course (all games, including UFO) will be easier because you're better than the poor chap in the previous example.
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"Figuring out a UFO route". Baity gained OMGMULTIPLEEXTEND!s at the last part of S4 while all I could get were RAINBOW UFOs :V
YES! Totally that! If i could get the available lives just from playing then i'd have this game 1cc'ed ages ago.
It is too fucking hard for anyone with less than twenty motherfucking fingers and eyes of fucking danmaku perception to be able to follow. Thank you.
How about in S3 where you have to circle around in the enemies at the end to avoid getting screwed? Or how about those yin-yang orbs that if you don't do things right will drown you in bullets.
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How about in S3 where you have to circle around in the enemies at the end to avoid getting screwed? Or how about those yin-yang orbs that if you don't do things right will drown you in bullets.
You...circle around the enemies? Really, it's not that hard once you get in the rhythm. It's like complaining about having to stream because everything else is too hard. As for the yin-yang orbs, time a UFO. Or bomb. I admit UFO stage 3 is a bit of a bitch without proper planning.
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How about in S3 where you have to circle around in the enemies at the end to avoid getting screwed?
Circling around is simply intuitive; you practice it until you get it down. CW vs. CCW; it's all the same. It's one of those things that simply "clicks" in your head after a few tries.
Or how about those yin-yang orbs that if you don't do things right will drown you in bullets.
Uh, if they're drowning you in bullets, then you're obviously not wiping out ~half of them as soon as they appear. The only time when this isn't happening is when you're using a Forward Type and not unfocusing to increase your fire spread.
EDIT: Coincidentally, for survival play, the UFO tokens are arranged such that you can summon a UFO during both such instances (or just after with timing). HMMMMMMMM.
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GUYZ I DUN GET IT Y CANT I 1CC UFO LUNATIC (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9176)
I watched it. It would probably be good for 1cc'ing purposes. I just know that i don't want to play for half an hour only to be destroyed by LFO.
Circling around is simply intuitive
I dunno, i would never think about trying that.
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About LFO, there's a way to make the attack much less painful: When you bomb/die, move up to the top of the screen. This misdirects the waves and gives you more time before the bullets start converging.
Just a free tip.
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About LFO, there's a way to make the attack much less painful: When you bomb/die, move up to the top of the screen. This misdirects the waves and gives you more time before the bullets start converging.
Just a free tip.
I'll keep that in mind. I've got a 7-week vacation ahead of me and nothing to play in it so I might just put in some UFO playing.
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first ufo extra run in ages
2DNB
first miss on kogasa's third(and I have over 90% rate on that one) and on her survival(derp early at that)
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How the FUCK did I time out Genetics of the Subconscious, dying 3 times in the process.
Got to Subterranean Rose, game overed, and forgot to save replay.
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Y'know, being clobbered by match mode Shikieiki without getting a hit on her most of the time isn't the bad part, because that's what lunatic match mode is supposed to do.
Repeatedly running into bullets by yourself whenever you are winning certainly feels horrible, though.
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(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4092/fffffffffff.th.png) (http://img267.imageshack.us/i/fffffffffff.png/)
so fucking close on getting that no bomb 1cc. if didnt die on CIRNO i could have done it.... damn
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I dunno, i would never think about trying that.
SA Extra Post-Mid-Boss fairies.
GUYZ I DUN GET IT Y CANT I 1CC UFO LUNATIC (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9176)
DURRRRRRRRRR
ITS TOO HARD
IM NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT
(http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9187)
Intentional messing around has never been more fun. Also, this one contains intentional suicides which makes it less practical when compared to the other replay but you should get the idea from this. And of course, bomb moar etc. etc.
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SA Extra Post-Mid-Boss fairies.
Sorry but i don't use MarisaC so i don't have to do that. I never bothered to learn it because why bother when you have wall-hax? It would just be waste of time.
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I do it because it's a lot more fun than gap haxing. :]
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I do it because it's a lot more fun than gap haxing. :]
Really? Am i missing something about the joy of moving in a circle?
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No, but you're missing something about the joy of adding one more silly restriction on yourself and being able to say "yeah, I did that." But hey, it's a game. If that's your style and what you find fun, I'm not going to stop you.
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No, but you're missing something about the joy of adding one more silly restriction on yourself and being able to say "yeah, I did that." But hey, it's a game. If that's your style and what you find fun, I'm not going to stop you.
I don't really find playing SA Extra fun at all. And its not really my style. Its just how every single lazy person cheese that part of the stage.
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Sorry but i don't use MarisaC so i don't have to do that. I never bothered to learn it because why bother when you have wall-hax? It would just be waste of time.
I don't really find playing SA Extra fun at all. And its not really my style. Its just how every single lazy person cheese that part of the stage.
Hmm. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...
Let's give this a spin. Go here (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/P85VZCJ) and take the survey. Do not spread it around.
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Mystia's second noncard.
I mean...
What.
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Mystia's second noncard.
I mean...
What.
Kill familiars, recieve spell card.
In other words, shoot unfocused. That's what I do.
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Kill familiars, recieve spell card.
In other words, shoot unfocused. That's what I do.
The only trick is that the gap to dodge in is 1 hitbox wide.
Also GODDAMNIT I HATE UFO
Everything was fine until S5, but all of a sudden I collect every wrong colored UFO because I can't see a damn thing, can't get lives, can't get bombs, game over before Shou. I got to S5 with THREE LIVES. What the skdasdjfhlakjsdf,lbklasdjbfbklasjbfjklasbf,aj
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I'll keep that in mind. I've got a 7-week vacation ahead of me and nothing to play in it so I might just put in some UFO playing.
Good luck, I got sick of UFO after 4 days :V
If you need a good demonstration of an easy and practical UFO route I can make a replay for you. I've got stage 4 pretty much down by now and can snatch up 3 extra lives from it.
I still need to hone my skills a little further, so chances are I'm not touching UFO for a while. But thanks for the offer. I'll let you know when I need a replay :3
Hmm. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...
Let's give this a spin. Go here (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/P85VZCJ) and take the survey. Do not spread it around.
Ack I got curious.
So ... who gets to see the results ?
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So yeah, I'm still somehow trying to get a Pacifist(No bombs unlike the first one that noone complained about) run of Ran after someone complained about me using bombs on the Yukari one despite almost everyone doing that. I keep derping attacks that I shouldn't even be dying to.
Also a 1DNB timeout of Charming Siege. Considering my likelihood to derp stuff in that fight over that long period, I'll probably get that timeout long before I pull this off.
Also, about your sig Zengeku, how can you like Mega Man when you hate memorization stuff? From the few I've played, it's all memorization.
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PoFV, Reimu vs. Sakuya.
Sakuya activates level 4 spellcard.
Grazegrazegrazegrazegraze.
sakuya somehow manages to activate level 3 spellcard immediately after.
Whut.
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I usually don't like to whine about the games but I just have to vent out this one. I really hate using ReimuC in SA. I'm actually considering skipping her in my project of 1cc'ing the games on hard with all shot types. Doing the Extra with her was painful enough.
Sure, she has good power and probably the best bomb in the game but she is just so awkward to use. I usually just a) mess up by not wanting to unfocus, or b) mess up by unfocusing and then attempting to correct the shot facing. Everything where you just have to move unfocused (like Orin's stage 5 midboss opener and Mt. Ooe) are really awful with her. If that wasn't enough she also gets a really mean Satori fight.
Oh, and her special ability is killing you if you forget to hold down either shot or focus.
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Game over on LFO.
You have no idea how much I hate UFO.
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Hmm. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...
Let's give this a spin. Go here (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/P85VZCJ) and take the survey. Do not spread it around.
Hm, I'm curious about this. Will we ever see the results of this? :/
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All right, the whining paid off. Did a ReimuC Hard 1cc of SA with 4 extra lives remaining. Her bomb does wonders.
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Let's give this a spin. Go here (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/P85VZCJ) and take the survey. Do not spread it around.
I swear to God if that one question about blaming mistakes on "clipdeaths" doesn't have at least a 9:1 ratio for clipdeaths to honest mistakes, you're all fucking liars.
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Took that survey. Said that I usually blame mistakes on myself.
Raging because HRtP wasn't on that list. :((((((
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Took that survey. Said that I usually blame mistakes on myself.
Raging because HRtP wasn't on that list. :((((((
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I swear to God if that one question about blaming mistakes on "clipdeaths" doesn't have at least a 9:1 ratio for clipdeaths to honest mistakes, you're all fucking liars.
I can only honestly answer honest mistakes because I only post rage about clipdeaths and stupid crap on around one in three hundred deaths.
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STAR MAELSTORM. HOW TO NOT FAIL AT IT.
Seriously, it's the only card of Byakuren's I haven't captured. From my own self-evaluations after I stop freaking out, my brain just goes "HELL NO, I KILLED THE GUY WITH THESE STUPID LASERS! LEAVE ME ALONE!" followed by me hitting the bomb key.
:V
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Hey, outside of a few cases in EoSD, a few cases in PCB, and a lot of UFO, I do blame myself. I wasn't lying when I picked the blame myself option because that's what it usually is.
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Can't say I understand half of my deaths in MoF and UFO, but apart from these two I know I only die to mistakes.
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STAR MAELSTORM. HOW TO NOT FAIL AT IT.
Seriously, it's the only card of Byakuren's I haven't captured. From my own self-evaluations after I stop freaking out, my brain just goes "HELL NO, I KILLED THE GUY WITH THESE STUPID LASERS! LEAVE ME ALONE!" followed by me hitting the bomb key.
:V
Star Maelstrom is much easier when you start thinking of it as a streaming attack. Make sure to stay as far away from the lasers as possible, and when Byakuren starts shooting stars, begin streaming and direction changing like you would a normal attack of the sort. Under this mindset the attack suddenly becomes much easier.
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EoSD Lunatic.
Entered Stage 4 5/3 (one death to Perfect Freeze, one to Colorful Typhoon).
Entered Stage 5 2/3.
ALL THOSE DEATHS WERE DURING THE STAGE AGH ;_;
(on the bright side, I captured Emerald Megalith for the first time!)
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Raging because HRtP wasn't on that list. :((((((
HRtP is not a Shmup. Ergo, I could not add it to the list.
If you really wanted, I could go and make another survey and do a "rate HRtP plz".
Results
At some point later, sure.
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All I will say is that Merlin has become the bane of my existence.
GAH!
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So I just tried UFO hard again.
Couldn't get to stage three without ragequitting in what, almost one hour of attempts with various shottypes. Baity can step on me all he wants to, UFO is fucking nuts and his sadistic pleasure in mocking everyone who says otherwise doesn't change a thing.
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Couldn't get to stage three without ragequitting
What are you people doing >:|
If you're ragequitting from losing only 1 life I seriously suggest demand that you suck it up and go through with that one life lost. How many are you losing by Stage 3?
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I'm ragequitting from dying to god-knows-what (unlike in the rest of the series, glancing away from my sprite often equals death, seriousness varies depending on shottype but it happens with all (and makes it unplayable with SanaeB which throws me off really bad)) after failing to accumulate lives/bombs properly because GODDAMN UFO SYSTEM and on top of that I know there's BROFIST LAG looming at the middle/end of the stage which forces me to bomb every single Ichirin card since my computer can't handle it and the framerate goes all crazy. Ichirin looks very easy, but try that when the framerate keeps going from 60 to 30 to 40 to 60 depending on how many fists are entering/leaving the screen. I can handle stage four and stage five, but Shou demands another bombspam because I just can't wing it past her nonspells/RTG, and the only time I got to Byakuren I was clobbered so badly I quit Touhou for a couple of months.
Also, if you say something to the effect of "practice moar" I'll shoot you, unless that includes admitting that UFO is insane. I'll try a few more runs but don't expect anything. UFO LUNATIC IS RETARDED, BYE
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Mind posting a replay of a random run? Perhaps we could help you the old-fashioned way.
As someone who once 1cc'd SA lunatic on an 8 year old computer, I feel your pain on Ichirin and brofist lag. Still, you should try and suck it up bitch if you really care. Which from the sound of things, you don't, so whatever. :V
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So I just tried UFO hard again.
Couldn't get to stage three without ragequitting in what, almost one hour of attempts with various shottypes. Baity can step on me all he wants to, UFO is fucking nuts and his sadistic pleasure in mocking everyone who says otherwise doesn't change a thing.
Play Lunatic.
I'm dead serious. Although it's not as bad as an effect as the rest of the series where clearing Lunatic makes Hard seem like a complete joke, playing the Lunatic stages will get you used to the patterns and make you realise that everything Nazrin / Kogasa throw at you is extremely rofltastic on Hard.
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Donut, if I remember correctly, you 1cc'ed UFO lunatic on your "first attempt", as you put it - after practicing every stage between 50 and 100 times each. I am not that kind of person and maybe I don't really care, it's just annoying to see you people claiming it's "not that hard". If I had the time and/or the willingness to sink hours and hours and hours of practice into it, of course it would be "easy" - but I don't have the time. It wasn't an issue for pretty much anything else, but apparently UFO refuses to give anything unless you quit your job for it or something.
Play Lunatic.
That's what I'll be doing, if anything because even if I 1cc hard in the very next run I still won't be satisfied at all.
Also, hard Nazrin/Kogasa are mostly jokes, and so are Ichirin and Murasa. It's the stages and the UFO collecting which annoy me, and it's some weird as-of-yet-unidentified speed/sprite/hitbox issue which kills me. (Shou too in the rare times I got there on hard)
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Actual FPS shifting is a legitimate reason not to enjoy this, I can understand that. What's bothering me now is this:
dying to god-knows-what
some weird as-of-yet-unidentified speed/sprite/hitbox issue which kills me
How are you even drawing this conclusion? Because UFO uses the exact same bullet data as MoF and SA for their respective bullets. Obviously, the best solution at this point is to:
posting a replay of a random run?
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everything Nazrin / Kogasa throw at you is extremely rofltastic on Hard.
High-Sensitivity Nazrin Pendulum is garbage. It requires you to squeeze through a gap exactly one hitbox wide multiple times, unless you're MarisaA.
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High-Sensitivity Nazrin Pendulum is garbage. It requires you to squeeze through a gap exactly one hitbox wide multiple times, unless you're MarisaA.
It really, really doesn't. It's just memorisation. Alternatively, bomb it.
Anyway, the main of my post is to post a kinda DUR GUYS Y CAN'T I 1cc HARD replay, based on the last few posts. I manage to fuck up loads of times and still clear 3/1. I've heard Baity going on about the amount of resources in this game but didn't realise till now just how true it was until this run.
http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9201
Edit: This wasn't meant as a criticism of anyone or mocking Baity, I was just surprised at how many resources I had left after a rather miserable run.
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RESOURCES ARE A LIE
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I'm a fan of Touhou: The Resource Management Game Series
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uoydfjhxbgcvjkhbzxjkcvhbkzxjhcvbzkjhcvbz,jxchbvz
If I die to Iku's last card when she has one hit left on her ONE MORE TIME
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It's also based on every other game where your resources aren't based on random crap screwing you over in the stages.
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If you don't collect any red UFO, and no death the whole run, you will end up with 5.25 lives I think.
That's really not much in terms of resources, especially compared to the other games,
where you reach max lives by stage 4 or 5 if you don't die.
For the harder difficulties, I have trouble collecting UFO of the right color, severely limiting my resources.
However, in the other games, even if I'm bad at PoC-ing, I still get enough extends regardless of difficulty.
Even SA will give you enough lives as you can't miss more than 2 extends (10 pieces) due to dying in boss attacks.
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If you don't collect any red UFO, and no death the whole run, you will end up with 5.25 lives I think.
That's really not much in terms of resources, especially compared to the other games,
where you reach max lives by stage 4 or 5 if you don't die.
And...? Actually, since you're a rather new person, I'll give you benefit of the doubt here and show you this (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=6173) oldie.
For the harder difficulties, I have trouble collecting UFO of the right color, severely limiting my resources.
Bomb for invulnerability.
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High-Sensitivity Nazrin Pendulum is garbage. It requires you to squeeze through a gap exactly one hitbox wide multiple times, unless you're MarisaA.
corners
corners
use the friggin corners, people
seriously, timing out that spellcard is WAY easier then capturing it with non-MarisA people. Or maybe SanaeB.
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But then you don't get the life piece.
And the fact that you can very easily end up timing it out or almost while shooting the whole time is pretty stupid.
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But then you don't get the life piece.
And the fact that you can very easily end up timing it out or almost while shooting the whole time is pretty stupid.
You don't? Really? I must go check this.
Edit:I never noticed that ):
You could try using the corners when needed but still being aggressive, I guess. I did that sometimes, with mixed results.
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I tried that with MarisaA and SanaeB, using the corners.
There is still only a hitbox-sized gap to fit through so I said "fuck that" and just bomb it every time. :V
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You do realize we're talking about the hard version though right
Because those gaps should be pretty big ):
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"The hardest difficulty in a game is too haaard"
alternatively
"I'm not good enough and spend more time whining than practicing and getting better so everything is luckshit"
I love you guys :blush:
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And...? Actually, since you're a rather new person, I'll give you benefit of the doubt here and show you this (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=6173) oldie.
Bomb for invulnerability.
I enjoyed that replay.
Getting back to the point... for people who aren't very good, like me, dying 6 times in a 1cc run is not bad,
and often happens in the other games with 6 or more extends as well.
As for the green UFOs... yes obviously bomb for invulnerability and you get your bomb back anyways.
That doesn't give much extra resource for use against bosses though.
Yes you did have resources to bomb Kogasa and Ichirin,
but you captured a bunch of spells in Murasa, Shou, and Byakuren (LFO!), where I would've died easily.
Just because you can avoid all the bullets and bomb stages while getting a bajllion green ufos
doesn't mean other people won't clip death a few times accidentally and think the game is hard.
Difference in skill != game is really not that hard
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If I had the time and/or the willingness to sink hours and hours and hours of practice into it, of course it would be "easy"
Oh, how I wish it worked that way for me. I DO sink hours and hours of practice into things, and repeat them dozens and dozens of times and still often only marginally improve ^^;
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"I'm not good enough and spend more time whining than practicing and getting better so everything is luckshit"
I never said UFO was luckshit, maybe I said it was shit (it isn't, it's just WAY TOO FUCKING HARD) but I am sure I never said it was luckshit. If you find one post of mine saying UFO is luckshit I'll delete my account and never show up again, this is a promise.
And either way I'd still rather do anything else with my time than practice stages until my hands fall off, thanks. Yes, I am aware that you'll come back with something like "shmups don't work like that" - well, that's why it's a dead genre: occasional prohibitive difficulty (even if sometimes exaggerated) and elitist player base (FACT), two things Touhou had mostly avoided until UFO came along; now we have hard mode which is harder than lunatic and a core of about half a dozen top western players who take pride in mocking the not-quite-top ones because really, if I can't put at least five hours per day into shmupping this means I'm a horrible person who shouldn't even be allowed here, right.
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I just want to point out that in terms of hours put in before a 1cc, it took roughly the same amount of time to 1cc UFO lunatic as it did others in terms of hours put in. I'm sorry that I'm coming off as elitist, but to me, UFO's difficulty is way oversold because people overthink the UFO system. In terms of danmaku, UFO lunatic is only a bit more difficult than the average lunatic from my point of view. :\
And nobody said you weren't "worthy" of coming here. The whole point of this part of the site is to pool our knowledge together to help everyone. That said, it seems we could post replays showing perfectly safe and lucrative UFO routes at this point and people wouldn't care. You have to help us help you!
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he's totally not worthy, man
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You do realize we're talking about the hard version though right
Corner works but takes longer, as I do believe I pointed out somewhere before. Oh well.
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit177.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=603&u=12803292)
The Risk:Reward for doing this makes it definitely worth practicing to do.
As for the green UFOs... yes obviously bomb for invulnerability and you get your bomb back anyways.
You get the bomb back, and a bit more. That, and not every UFO summoned needs to be accompanied by a bomb.
Yes you did have resources to bomb Kogasa and Ichirin,
but you captured a bunch of spells in Murasa, Shou, and Byakuren (LFO!), where I would've died easily.
Just because you can avoid all the bullets and bomb stages while getting a bajllion green ufos
doesn't mean other people won't clip death a few times accidentally and think the game is hard.
It should be noted that I messed up Stage 2 beyond belief, and I (still) had a rather large amount of spare resources to boot.
I'm tempted to post a link to my first 1cc; planned bombs, near full-survivability playstyle with mistakes all over etc. etc.
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I love you guys :blush:
ilu2
Cut twice:
Noted.
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adsfasdfasdf GOD DAMMIT
UFO lunatic, 5th attempt ever, couldn't get farther than Kogasa's first non-card. What the hell. Why do they even make difficulties I can't beat? >:|
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"The hardest difficulty in a game is too haaard"
alternatively
"I'm not good enough and spend more time whining than practicing and getting better so everything is luckshit"
I love you guys :blush:
QFT, also:
Touhou UFO Bitching/Whining Thread mk. 7
I'm guessing before this was Touhou SA Bitching/Whining Thread.
And next will be Touhou [Insert 13's name here] Bitching/Whining Thread.
@Topic: Touhou MoF Hard run ruined by clippy Sanae. I no death'ed all the stages until Stage 5. Of course, we all know that Sanae is the easiest Stage 5 boss, but her cards make me claustrophobic. =P
I hate myself for not bombing.
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That said, it seems we could post replays showing perfectly safe and lucrative UFO routes at this point and people wouldn't care. You have to help us help you!
I've watched the replays, and I have an idea of what I must do, but unless I make a chart and put it on a wall behind my computer, you can bet I'm going to forget the UFO routes midway through.
I've tried "some" lunatic stage practice (two ReimuB stage 2 runs): twice perfected the stage (since I didn't bother about UFOs, and this is only stage 2 after all), two Hello Forgotten World captures (as expected), one 1D timeout on Parasol Star Memories (and one 5D timeout on the second attempt - wut), captured Bone-Dry whatever once, and failed horribly at the last card both times. So yeah, just above average difficulty for stage 2, I imagine, and Kogasa is negotiable through liberal bombing vs. PSM and the last, but can I repeat the flawless stage part on a full run where I need to hunt down UFOs? Hell no.
One option would be to completely ignore the UFOs in stages 2 and 3 and try to get lucky during stage 4 which showers you with UFO tokens; I'm pretty sure I could do better this way, but it'd be obviously counter-productive in the long term.
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SA Extra & UFO Stage 6
I will NEVER be consistent on any of Ex-Sanae's cards. I just died to each one of them on separate runs.
I really hate the "Extra" vibe that stage 6 gives me. Memorize a path most efficient for obtaining the most bombs while avoiding getting killed by Nue.
I'm beginning to realize that I really don't like *playing* the Extra stages because of all the hard work you have to put into memorizing a path. And then, if you stop playing the stages for a while, you'll forget everything and you'll have to memorize it again.
Oh boy, Mokou's stage... I haven't played that for two months now... I'm going to rage so hard when I realize I can't perfect it anymore...
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Okay, yes, UFO gives you a metric fuckton of resources. But here's the rub:
If you are getting all those resources, YOU DO NOT NEED THEM.
The first thing I noticed about that "derp" hard replay? You let about 2 UFO pieces go to waste in the entire run. Y'know what? I've gotten pretty damn good at UFO chaining recently, but I couldn't do that well even on easy mode. The second thing I noticed was that you made some pretty impressive dodges in places, then made up for it by bombing easyshit. And no matter how much it sounds like that evens out, in practice it never does. For one thing, not everyone always dies with no bomb stock.
"The hardest difficulty in a game is too haaard"
alternatively
"I'm not good enough and spend more time whining than practicing and getting better so everything is luckshit"
I love you guys :blush:
...you do realize what thread this is, don't you? This is the place we go to rage and scream and bitch and moan about WHATEVER is bugging us, no matter how irrational, so that we don't have to vent our frustration by chucking expensive equipment across the room.
In a month from now, who knows? Maybe I'll think UFO is the best game in the series. But for now, I'll hurl whatever slanderous insults I want at it, if it means keeping my sanity.
(also, UFO can go die. Seriously.)
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I feel like sharing my first UFO Hard 1cc as a proof of concept (I am not someone like Baity, so all my mistakes, bomb abuse, etc... are deliberate). That includes such highlights as bombing Ichirin's non-cards, dying on stage 4 Nue, struggling more than is usual on LFO, dying a few times with bombs in stock... oh, and not thinking very hard about my UFO chain and breaking it in parts, of course. I don't think that sort of play is 1cc worthy, but it's a clear all the same! (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9206 (http://link))
That sort of 1cc isn't very satisfying though, so it's time to start going for score! And I'm in awe of you guys who are confident enough to score for score on UFO Lunatic.
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Alright. I'll take your survey Bait. And then, some words to maybe counter-act the UFO defenders! :V
As i completely refuse to believe that it is lack of skill that causes my UFO failing.
I swear to God if that one question about blaming mistakes on "clipdeaths" doesn't have at least a 9:1 ratio for clipdeaths to honest mistakes, you're all fucking liars.
I found that question rather hard to answer. If the mistakes happen in pre-UFO games i am for some reason more forgiving towards them and blame myself on them.
Also when i die due to not knowing what i'm doing i get irritated. The same thing applies for pre-UFO games. Certain Touhou titles just make it more interesting to actually go and learn things.
Basically its: Okay, this is MoF! Lets learn this. If its UFO, its more: I don't give a crap anyway.
Also, about your sig Zengeku, how can you like Mega Man when you hate memorization stuff? From the few I've played, it's all memorization.
Nah, its just cos' Duff McWhalen is freakin' bad-ass!
Seriously though, Mega Man is some of the greatest games ever made imo. The Mega Man X games are pretty good too but i like the classic series better.
There may be a lot of memorization involved but they don't punish you as harshly for forgetting what you are doing and there is a lot of skill involved as well.
"The hardest difficulty in a game is too haaard"
More like, the hardest difficulty is too hard and anything lower is so easy that its boring.
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I just realized that everything said so far is technically relevant to the actual thread because we're all arguing about various things, which does indeed fall under "bitching / whining". Go figure.
You let about 2 UFO pieces go to waste in the entire run.
UFO chaining itself should become second nature by the time you're coming around for a Lunatic 1cc (or maybe even Hard); if this isn't the case then drop it down a difficulty or two (or three even) and get familiar with the system. Using bombs should give you plenty of time to think as well; you may or may not notice that I have a tendency to stand still for a few seconds just after bombing. If not, then I'm going to suggest pausing as a possible alternative; though whether or not your morals about pausing in a shmup may or may not come into effect here. There are also cases where I use a bomb preemptively; this is a "planned" bomb and is actually quite normal to use in any of the Touhou games. "Too difficult to do X? Use a bomb here if possible"; planning a route makes things much easier after all.
The second thing I noticed was that you made some pretty impressive dodges in places, then made up for it by bombing easyshit. And no matter how much it sounds like that evens out, in practice it never does. For one thing, not everyone always dies with no bomb stock.
You have to do some dodging in Lunatic play, whether you actually like it or not; I believe even Rook can attest to this with his Chronicles of 1cc'ing PCB Lunatic (that said, if you're reading this, I would like to offer sincere congratulations on that). That said, any form of impressive dodging present would fall under either being a complete fluke, or be unfortunately, mediocre dodging in my honest opinion even if I took it down a notch or two.
Indeed (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9207), not everyone always dies with no bomb stock. Not everybody can flawlessly execute a given route (even if it's on paper) every single time either. Yadda yadda yadda you get the idea. However, ironing out those careless mistakes is part of the learning process.
That sort of 1cc isn't very satisfying though, so it's time to start going for score! And I'm in awe of you guys who are confident enough to score for score on UFO Lunatic.
Ah, a rare post from you; I keep thinking you're a lurker for some odd reason :V
I'd also like to offer thanks to you for actually submitting to Royalflare, even if it was only once or twice. And pulling off that 1cc. Granted, it was quite the sloppy 1cc, but it's a 1cc nonetheless. Even though you may feel guilty about this, I would like to offer my sincerest:
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt263/BaitySM/Image%20Response/konngaratulation.jpg)
despite being in the incorrect thread to do so.
I found that question rather hard to answer. If the mistakes happen in pre-UFO games i am for some reason more forgiving towards them and blame myself on them.
The question itself should be difficult to answer if you don't reflect on your own development periodically.
EDIT: Random fixes.
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The question itself should be difficult to answer if you don't reflect on your own development periodically.
Ehh... developments with regards to what?
I just meant it was hard to answer because my reaction to dying in any game is very much depending on the nature of the death. Sometimes i wind up blaming the game if something seems unfair and sometimes i blame myself.
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Pacifist Ran attempt.
Derped way too much and had no lives left after Charming Siege(as usual no bombs or there would be complaining).
Made it Unilateral Contact where I barely failed to time it out. If I had done that, I could have made it to at least the end of the survival card or to the timeout phase, or if I managed to do things right a clear.
Edit: Failed to mention 3 failed IN Extra No Death attempts on Possessed by Phoenix second phase.
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Why is it that the UFO Stage 2 and 3 bosses are harder than the Stage 4 boss? It doesn't make sense. I will give UFO a bit of legitimate praise though: The bosses past stage 3 are not so bad.
Although i'm pretty annoyed by dying twice to LFO after getting it to the final phase. In a run where i capped everything by Makai Butterfly (lol, forgot route) and Devil's Recitation (death by laser). I would devote some time to getting better at Devil's Recitation as that has potential for being quite entertaining but that's where the problem of every Non-S4 stage in UFO is dreadfully boring.
Its like playing a game with 2 minute+ load times. It would be fun but unfortuneatly you have to sit through boring stuff whenever you don't win (as in, get an acceptable run.)
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I swear, SA lunatic stage 1 is the hardest easy thing ever. No matter how simple everything in it seems to be, I continually manage to retardedly slam into something. Will I not learn? *slaps self*
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I am unbelievably bad at SA. And at UFO S1.
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Aw mannnnnnn...
I was about 2 seconds away from capturing Rings of Death. I lost focus when my brain said "by the way, this is Rings of Death and you're not dead yet".
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I never said UFO was luckshit, maybe I said it was shit (it isn't, it's just WAY TOO FUCKING HARD) but I am sure I never said it was luckshit. If you find one post of mine saying UFO is luckshit I'll delete my account and never show up again, this is a promise.
That first quote was for you, not the second :V
...you do realize what thread this is, don't you? This is the place we go to rage and scream and bitch and moan about WHATEVER is bugging us, no matter how irrational, so that we don't have to vent our frustration by chucking expensive equipment across the room.
You're free to ignore my counter-bitching. The idea behind my pseudo-trolling was for you people who bitch and moan about UFO being too hard or getting "clipdeaths" to realise what you're doing wrong. All of your fucking defeatist attitudes are getting you nowhere fast, so when the people who have beaten UFO lunatic come in and offer advice (don't throw away garbage runs, stop blaming the game, watch a few replays), we get called elitist players who take pride in mocking other players who have not accomplished as much and that we spend five hours a day grinding. I don't think anybody here spends five hours everyday grinding away at stuff we can't beat. Except Jaimers. And if he doesn't, I'll be angry, because he improves way too quickly. :V
Not only all that foolishness, but our advice is ignored in the end, and the people who are having trouble continue bitching about the same damn things. Gee, I wonder why?
Why is it that the UFO Stage 2 and 3 bosses are harder than the Stage 4 boss? It doesn't make sense. I will give UFO a bit of legitimate praise though: The bosses past stage 3 are not so bad.
Murasa is the easiest fourth stage boss in the series, which is unfortunate. Yes, Kogasa is hard. For somebody who always complains about how boring the earlier parts of these games are, you sure have some interesting opinions about the more... Entertaining stage two and three bosses.
More like, the hardest difficulty is too hard and anything lower is so easy that its boring.
This is a very valid point. I also find hard to be too boring, so I kept at lunatic until I managed to start doing well at it. That's just how it is. If you don't like it, then there's really nothing else to be said on the manner, really.
That sort of 1cc isn't very satisfying though, so it's time to start going for score! And I'm in awe of you guys who are confident enough to score for score on UFO Lunatic.
Hell yeah, man! Go for score! And confidence!? Pah! I'm still nervous as all blazes when I enter Hijiri, I dunno about some of the other lunatic scorers :V
Whoa, almost forgot --
Its like playing a game with 2 minute+ load times. It would be fun but unfortuneatly you have to sit through boring stuff whenever you don't win (as in, get an acceptable run.)
Stop throwing away garbage runs.
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This is a very valid point. I also find hard to be too boring, so I kept at lunatic until I managed to start doing well at it. That's just how it is. If you don't like it, then there's really nothing else to be said on the manner, really.
lunatic just kicked my ass
that's really all there is to say on the matter
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Y'know, maybe I should stop trying to play while I'm nursing a cold and aching all over. I think the bullet patterns are starting to make me dizzy >.>
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Ehh... developments with regards to what?
Developments with regard to your skill; you people don't reflect on how good you think you are after trying a few 1cc attempts? Or when they start playing on the higher modes?
I just meant it was hard to answer because my reaction to dying in any game is very much depending on the nature of the death. Sometimes i wind up blaming the game if something seems unfair and sometimes i blame myself.
This ties in with the development of skill. For instance, HardMode!Baity complains of clipdeaths. The question in short is asking "do you blame the game for killing you, or do you blame yourself for killing yourself?"
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Except Jaimers. And if he doesn't, I'll be angry, because he improves way too quickly. :V
Less than 10 attempts to beat that extra mode. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6420.msg367461#msg367461) :V
In other related news to that video: Youtube is making me fucking cry.
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Somebody bet my Marisa A score already :<
Look again! My score is no longer diamonds :( (http://score.royalflare.net/th12/levelchar12.html#L3C2)
Fucks sake I didn't want to have to improve it so soon.
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Obligatory AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Did great on Shiki as Reisen, then after a level 4 spell went to the bottom to misdirect any coming lasers. Got smacked in the back by a line of enemies. Oh fuckfuckfuckfuck I could 1cc as Reisen easily if Shiki didn't kill me in ways as contrived and stupid as a Rube Goldberg (ry
And then I ragequit about 10 times until I had a good run going again, and proceeded to lose 3 lives to Komachi by running into more enemies. I also ran into a coin while my head was turned away from the monitor. Fun stuff.
Am I the only person who gets markedly worse the longer they play? I can only play for an hour before everything goes to shit.
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fuc.
Two Lunatic EoSD runs made it up to stage 5 at those faeries that throw MASSIVE BLUE WALLS at you before midboss Sakuya and game overed on the last bullet of the last wave. orz
Maybe I should switch away from ReimuB, considering I lose most of my lives to Patchouli...
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Well, that's it. Screw Reimu. With no piercing and no close-range aerial attacks, she can't handle Iku's last card very well...and she's utterly useless on SWRoAH. Yes, I know there's the perfect video up on youtube, but I can't replicate that, and nothing else works with her.
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MoF Hard, clipped by Sanae because my neighbor went BZZZZZZZZZZZ and scared the crap out of me
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(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/80/32/92/th/untit178.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=604&u=12803292)
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Maybe people would complain less about the elitists who think UFO is easy if you stopped posting 1ccs in the Bitch/Whine thread because they didn't meet your scoring standards.
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Funny you should mention that:
[13:32] <Naut> Did you finish?
[13:32] <Baitikkuri> nope
[13:32] <Naut> Was gonna say, 1/2 is iffy
[13:33] <Baitikkuri> took risks at the start
[13:34] <Baitikkuri> died early
Besides that, complaining about scoring mistakes is within the boundaries of the purpose of this thread.
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Maybe people would complain less about the elitists who think UFO is easy if you stopped posting 1ccs in the Bitch/Whine thread because they didn't meet your scoring standards.
Has also been guilty of doing this, just not on UFO. Nor would I if I had a UFO one on the higher difficulties because I know how valid the UFO complaints are.
In addition to that, there's also the hitboxes are perfectly fine, no such thing as clipdeath, practice more(just how many hours do you need? I keep trying, I don't improve on this game because of all the BS), all the attacks being fair, etc. I just don't see any of this as true and seeing it spammed is annoying to anyone who does not like the game.
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Elitists are silly.
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Maybe people would complain less about the elitists who think UFO is easy if you stopped posting 1ccs in the Bitch/Whine thread because they didn't meet your scoring standards.
Who the fuck has said UFO is easy >: |
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Who the fuck has said UFO is easy >: |
GUYZ I DUN GET IT Y CANT I 1CC UFO LUNATIC (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9176)
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o rite
Baitums :(
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o rite
Baitums :(
in 24pt font no less
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I see no instance of the word "easy". What I'm saying in short is that everybody who's playing on the Lunatic level and has gotten a few 1cc's under their belt should be able to get a UFO Lunatic 1cc. If you're not and you don't know why at this point, I'm going to strongly suggest that you reflect on it a bit more.
Realization Tip: Open the game and check the number of hours you've clocked and compare this value with the values in the other games.
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What I'm saying in short is that everybody who's playing on the Lunatic level and has gotten a few 1cc's under their belt should be able to get a UFO Lunatic 1cc.
Well, surely even you would agree that the difficulty is quite a bit higher than the earlier games? I mean, I've 1cc'd the first 4 windows games on lunatic, and UFO lunatic still destroys me (SA still does a fair bit, too)
Nothing in the game has necessarily struck me as unfair, of course. In fact, I don't really think that anything in any of the games has. Some attacks are more annoying than others, certainly. Some are downright mean. But they've never seemed unfair.
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http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9214 (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9214)
FUCK!!!
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*Hits Alt+F4 & posts on MoTK, then runs SA again*
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Well, surely even you would agree that the difficulty is quite a bit higher than the earlier games? I mean, I've 1cc'd the first 4 windows games on lunatic, and UFO lunatic still destroys me (SA still does a fair bit, too)
No, believe it or not. I will admit the following. In comparison, Stages 1 and 2 are harder but not to the point where they override the difficulty present in the later stages. Stages 3-6 in my honest opinion, are around the same as the other games, with a few obvious exceptions like IN Stage 5.
Also, results (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt263/BaitySM/survey1all.png) now that I'm not getting any more responses. (~150 KB and 720x3600 or something like that)
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Also, results (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt263/BaitySM/survey1all.png)
Where are all you people who care about score
get in here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?board=7.0)
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No, believe it or not. I will admit the following. In comparison, Stages 1 and 2 are harder but not to the point where they override the difficulty present in the later stages. Stages 3-6 in my honest opinion, are around the same as the other games, with a few obvious exceptions like IN Stage 5.
Hmmm... I've often wondered how much of a person's difficulty ranking is individual, and based on particular playing habits and strengths/weaknesses. I've always found the post-IN games to be significantly more difficult, overall, than the earlier ones, even though MoF often seems to be considered one of the easiest lunatics by many people. My 1cc of that was pretty much a fluke, as it was, I think.
Also, I think some of the survey questions were too loaded to really give good data. I mean, who really wants to say, essentially that "I assume my death is rarely my own fault"
I find it interesting (though perhaps unsurprising) that the number of lunatic players is not only so much higher than the other difficulties, but so much higher than the relative percentages of people who have 1cc'd hard or higher in that giant survey, a while back. Presumably, this is just because the people who read this sub-forum are better players, on average, than the general Touhou community.
Also, oddly, despite how much complaining UFO gets, it received a higher rating than any other game except PCB. I wonder if some people thought they were rating the game's difficulty, and not how good they thought it was? Wait, we WERE rating how good we thought they were, weren't we?
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Hmmm... I've often wondered how much of a person's difficulty ranking is individual, and based on particular playing habits and strengths/weaknesses. I've always found the post-IN games to be significantly more difficult, overall, than the earlier ones, even though MoF often seems to be considered one of the easiest lunatics by many people. My 1cc of that was pretty much a fluke, as it was, I think.
The MoF / SA / UFO bullet and control systems are all consistent, whereas all the other games follow their own unique controls; though to be on the "general" side of things, I group PCB and IN together as well.
Also, I think some of the survey questions were too loaded to really give good data. I mean, who really wants to say, essentially that "I assume my death is rarely my own fault"
Quite. However, that question basically boils down to "I blame the game for killing me more, or I blame myself for killing myself in the process of dodging (or doing whatever)". If this isn't the case, I could always ask the question again; I'm technically free at this point to write up another survey.
Some of the questions were intentionally made obscure, just to see where everybody subjectively put themselves as players. In terms of being objective, I myself would have no idea where everybody would be placed, but it's a good way of finding out the proportion of players who think they put in adequate effort, and those who don't for instance.
I find it interesting (though perhaps unsurprising) that the number of lunatic players is not only so much higher than the other difficulties, but so much higher than the relative percentages of people who have 1cc'd hard or higher in that giant survey, a while back. Presumably, this is just because the people who read this sub-forum are better players, on average, than the general Touhou community.
This can be explained by the fact that I only appealed to HME, where the players are the ones who actively play the games to improve. I ended up doing this because I'm using a free account, thus the number of responses that I could receive were limited. If you know of any service that gives me the chance to collect unlimited responses and is free with "no strings attached", by all means suggest it.
Also, oddly, despite how much complaining UFO gets, it received a higher rating than any other game except PCB. I wonder if some people thought they were rating the game's difficulty, and not how good they thought it was? Wait, we WERE rating how good we thought they were, weren't we?
If we were talking about difficulties, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't be seeing SoEW down there. StB got bad numbers as well, so this basically cements that everybody who took the survey knew that the question was asking how good do they think the game was.
That said, if I'm going to continue surveying, I'm better off splitting it off to another thread. Regardless of whether or not people are actually taking it seriously; hey it beats using my prediction model
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Also, you're more than welcome to add questions of your own; it's generally better and easier to organize and do other things if one person keeps hosting the surveys.
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I was the only one on question 6 because lol toohoo scoring :V
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Okay, this turned out to be long. Hope people will sit through this wall.
Murasa is the easiest fourth stage boss in the series, which is unfortunate. Yes, Kogasa is hard. For somebody who always complains about how boring the earlier parts of these games are, you sure have some interesting opinions about the more... Entertaining stage two and three bosses.
Murasa being the easiest is quite debateable. Personally i manage Murasa quite well but then again, i manage pretty much any S4 boss quite well. Marisa would be a candidate for the easiest though. Only one actually difficult spellcard and some rather difficult non-spells. Murasa has one difficult non-spell and and her 3rd card. I don't know what is with that card but sometimes it seems easy and other times there is this little bullet that randomly gets spawned where i need to be and suddenly she gets harder than Marisa because Marisa doesn't do that.
As for my problem with S2 and S3:
Stage 3 is probably my greatest grudge against UFO. Take that out and i'd rate it 4/5 (rated it 3/5 in survey). The stage is long, its boring to play and there is too much you just have to learn.
Then you might argue that there is things you need to learn in IN and SA Stage 3 as well but that single part in those two stages that call for memorization are easily disposed of with a bomb. In UFO stage 3 you basically have to be perfect throughout the entire stage to make it through. Add to that the worst S3 boss of the entire series and i get a headache.
I'm even being told that Ichirin is easier than Alice but i'm almost consistently perfect on Alice outside of the occasional tapped a bit too hard on Spring Kyoto Dolls that might occur.
Stage 2 i wouldn't have such a big problem with if Kogasa's 1st spellcard didn't cheat so much. The best i have done is capturing it with ReimuA at 3xx power because i got lucky. It still often rapes me with 4 power and i don't stand a chance if i get there with 2xx or less.
And oh, mid-boss attack that isn't difficult by any means. Impossible to fail. Unless you hit that movement key a bit too hard. Not a valid complaint i know but still annoying as other stage 2 mid-bosses doesn't have that. (Here Chen or Hina would probably be best as they have some pretty fine (although easy) spellcards for their mid-boss appearance.
The problem with hard stage 2 and 3 bosses is simply that it will make 1cc'ing tedious like all hell.
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IN Hard with Magic Team, I get to 6B with a good (for me) 1.35 billion and 7/0 despite a pretty bad stage 5... and proceed to fail/bomb nearly everything Kaguya has, and I'm down 4/0 I follow up by failing all her last spells with more than 10 seconds on the clock (that takes some skill) and barely hit 2 billion :ohdear:
And thank you Baity! I've only uploaded a SP-9 replay to Royalflare back when there was a mysterious lack of good scores for it, but I'm otherwise not quite up to the level where I'd like to show my replays yet (see above!)
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Wasn't paying attention during the nonspell before Charming Siege so I get killed by it. A few more derps on nonspells. Timed out Unilateral Contact, holy shit. Die on survival with 1 second left. Enter Izuna Gongen with a spare life. Fuck up where I was when the timeout phase started so the misdirection failed. Die twice.
That was almost a true pacifist clear of Ran. Forgot to save the replay as well so I can't even upload that one timeout mentioned.
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Also, results (http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt263/BaitySM/survey1all.png) now that I'm not getting any more responses. (~150 KB and 720x3600 or something like that)
I find it hilarious that everyone complains about UFO, yet it was the only game on the list to get a 5 rating.
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I find it hilarious that everyone complains about UFO, yet it was the only game on the list to get a 5 rating.
Meh, that is only the median. On average it comes second place after PCB. But yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. :D
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Because UFO is an awesome game, it's just that it's hard as fuck.
brb 20 ragequits on S1 Lunatic, why do I suck at Gold Detector of all things.
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Holy crap, I beat Lunatic Murasa with 4 extra lives still left! I could actually 1cc this! I even capped Kogasa's second card, and Ichirin's first and last cards!
...and then the game crashes! Oh joy! ;_;
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Holy crap, I beat Lunatic Murasa with 4 extra lives still left! I could actually 1cc this! I even capped Kogasa's second card, and Ichirin's first and last cards!
...and then the game crashes! Oh joy! ;_;
Because UFO is an awesome game
I think UFO is an awesome game too, er, vomits extends and doesn't afraid of anything...
*pichun.wav*
Got max lives, just to lose them all to FF in the end... =[
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I find it hilarious that everyone complains about UFO, yet it was the only game on the list to get a 5 rating.
Its very odd that there is only 4 that rates UFO below 4. I gave it 3 of 5 as the only person which means there is only three people who thinks lower of it. That is simply not consistent with the amount of people hating on it.
And how can anyone possibly give IN 1/5? I respect a persons opinion but this really weirds me out. (To be honest, how any of the windows games, ufo included, can get 1/5 mystifies me)
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5 derps again.
I can totally 1cc SA Lunatic if I just STOP DERPING.
Almost no-power capped Catwalk (or timed it out, at least) but I derped into the last bullet in the pattern. Retarded.
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And how can anyone possibly give IN 1/5? I respect a persons opinion but this really weirds me out. (To be honest, how any of the windows games, ufo included, can get 1/5 mystifies me)
I haven't seen this survey, but for one, if it's a survey of what you think of the Touhou series, if we were all being a bunch of rabid Touhou fans and saying "BEST SERIES EVER 5/5!" for every game, it wouldn't give us any information on how the fanbase thinks about each game in comparison with one another. In this sense, it makes sense that some games should be rated 1/5, not because they're the worst games ever, but because they're some of the worst within theTouhou series specifically.
That said, if I had to pick one of the Windows games to score 1/5, IN would easily be it. It kinda feels to me like it lacks some of the inspiration of the other games. Stages seem to be "here's a bunch of bullets now familiarcancel them". Keine and Marisa are static bosses. Reisen is a Stage 3 boss in Stage 5, though I have to give her credit for the "wow factor" that made her really awesome when I first started playing. The game has Spell Practice, which is a definite plus, but the game lacks one of those "VoWG" masterpieces that I would really want to spam Spell Practice on (best I can think of would be SFN, but that's really a PCB card, which brings me back my "lack of inspiration" point). And speaking of the lost potential for a new masterpiece, the final spellcard, Hourai Jewel. Fucking Hourai Jewel. Memorize this or die. Worst final card ever. (I suppose you could argue that LFO is another micromemorizable final card, but it's not necessary in that case, as it's plenty possible to survive LFO with on-the-fly dodging.)
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then fight Eirin :V
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Eirin also has a crappy memorize card as well. The fight is mostly fair, though not as fair as Kaguya's. Buddhist Diamond is more worthy of final card status than Hourai Jewel is though(though the HP would need to be increased for that). Though none of Kaguya's cards really deserve it. Maybe Rising World if it was changed from a survival, given a big health bar, and a longer timer.
Oh, and Eirin has a crappy final too as it can be trivialized and is still pretty easy to capture even without destroying familiars and is much easier than Hourai Jewel is. It flips in terms of timeouts though with Hourai Jewel being the easier timeout and Astronomical Entombing being the harder one.
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imo Eirin lunatic has some stupid cards as well. Omoikane's Brain and Apollo 13 comes to mind.
Rising World is not survival - it's just that the timer is short.
I have trouble reading the huge shower of contaminated rice in Astronomical Entombment
It's probably because I'm not very good at dodging stuff though
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Brain takes only one bomb. Same for Apollo if you do it correctly.
Can't memorize Hourai Jewel? Bomb. Again. And again.
It's much better when the stupid card isn't immune to bombs.
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Omoikane is the memorize card in that fight. Even if you had it memorized, it's easier to screw up than Hourai Jewel is.
Apollo 13 is completely fair, just extremely hard.
And how is Rising World not survival? You can't even hurt her, plus your shot doesn't reach her anyway, and the only way to clear the spell is to time it out. It would be a crazy spell though with a longer timer + having to actually kill it if the phases lasted longer or were changed.
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What Krim said.
Even if you had to give ratings based on Touhou specifically i would bundle up IN together with SoEW. I would probably rate UFO lower though.
Directed at Baity: Do i then miss the point of the give-ratings part of the survey? Was it meant to be interpreted as rating the games compared to the other Touhou games or was it supposed to be rating the games compared to games in general? I went with the latter (comes with being a controversial critic of video games on danish gaming sites: :] )
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Meh, that is only the median mode. On average it comes second place after PCB. But yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. :D
Fixed. The median is still 4 for both PCB and UFO. The mode's are different, and the mean values make it so that PCB is the better rated between that and UFO.
then fight Eirin :V
AstroHa ha, old chap!ical Entombing is a pretty anti-climatic Spell Card to finish things off outside of the Last Spells.
"Hourai Jewel"
Spell Practice exists for cards such as these. Just a note if Spell Practice comes back, you can certainly expect a lot more Spell Cards such as these to appear. Just a thought that occurred; it's the reason why Spell Practice was introduced for IN in the first place.
And thank you Baity! I've only uploaded a SP-9 replay to Royalflare back when there was a mysterious lack of good scores for it, but I'm otherwise not quite up to the level where I'd like to show my replays yet (see above!)
Well, it's understandable. As a sidenote, the mysterious lack of scores earlier on is because SP-9 required quite a bit of luck to get a fairly high score. And probably the fact that the other Scenes were being filled up first.
Directed at Baity: Do i then miss the point of the give-ratings part of the survey? Was it meant to be interpreted as rating the games compared to the other Touhou games or was it supposed to be rating the games compared to games in general? I went with the latter (comes with being a controversial critic of video games on danish gaming sites: :] )
I was aiming more for the latter; but in this case it wouldn't matter because I appealed to the players who know how to critique to an extent, so I wouldn't get those useless hurf durf 5/5 everything because it's Touhou.
On that note, I would like to vent about my terrible playing skills yesterday. Across multiple games too.
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On that note, I would like to vent about my terrible playing skills yesterday. Across multiple games too.
applies for me today
this is absolutely garbage, worst playing in weeks
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I was aiming more for the latter; but in this case it wouldn't matter because I appealed to the players who know how to critique to an extent, so I wouldn't get those useless hurf durf 5/5 everything because it's Touhou.
Okay. Its still hard to imagine a Touhou game getting 1/5 though. Even SoEW. And all the PC games do have a certain level of quality. Maybe some people haven't been completely fair with their ratings but i dunno.
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I gave PoFV a 1/5 because I truly do dislike the game. The only saving grace is Shikieiki's badass dialogue, but you have to go through the entire story mode for that. :[
Speaking of whcih, guess what I foolishly played today (normal, Medicine, 1cc'd just barely).
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"Guilty" of giving 4/5 to UFO despite being completely inept at it
I like UFO a lot more than it likes me, honest
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Damn it. Almost beat the 3rd phase of subterranean rose.
Somehow feel so claustrophobic when facing those long chain of roses and *derp* death with 4 bombs in stock.
Maybe I should try timing it out on the first phase... 190 seconds = so freaking long.
On the bright side, I killed Genetics in 40 seconds! No more stupid 99-second time out.
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2 for IN and PoFV; 4 for EoSD, PCB (damn) and StB; 5 for MoF, SA, UFO and DS :smug:
So 29 out of 31 people actually blame themselves for the mistakes ? I'm Kogasa'd :V
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Medicine's boss fight is poorly designed and worthy of ragequits. This applies to all difficulties. Doesn't help that you have to fight her as some of the more gimped characters. I know how to do Aya, and now you throw this bullcrap at me?
What the fuck ZUN.
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an hour and a half, one run makes it to S5
this is so stupid
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Did some very minimal UFO lunatic practice. In three or four attempts for each stage until S4 I started figuring out some routes WITHOUT ACTUALLY TRYING, realized stage 2 is indeed a joke and that Kogasa is mostly a joke with SanaeB (only the train card looks nuts when you can cheese PSM, but I don't have a problem with one autobomb before S3 so whatever), and noticed stage 4 is, as I suspected, very very lenient, though I was unpleasantly suprised at how fast Murasa's nonspells look on lunatic when you're the one playing. I was hoping I could avoid having to memorize these, but it seems it's unreasonable to try and read the waves every single time.
Now, if I could only stops these DEATHS FROM FUCKING NOWHERE WHICH WERE INTRODUCED WITH MOF WHICH TOOK ME ABOUT FORTY ATTEMPTS DESPITE BEING THE EASIEST SHIT EVER, also SCREW STAGE THREE'S WALLFAIRIES
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walls are aimed
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AGH HOW DID I LOSE MY LAST LIFE TO BYAKUREN'S OPENER
DAMMIT MURASA STOP MOVING THE WRONG DIRECTION IN SINKABLE VORTEX
WHAT I CAPTURED RTG HARD?
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tried to malice cannon "Possessed by Phoenix"
got killed by the explosion (!) at the last 5 second while I was about to finish off her life bar.
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Why won't Yumeko's 2nd attack stop killing me? Isn't that supposed to be easy? I guess i need to take a break, go play some Castlevania and then come back later once i've chilled out.
2 for IN and PoFV; 4 for EoSD, PCB (damn) and StB; 5 for MoF, SA, UFO and DS :smug:
So 29 out of 31 people actually blame themselves for the mistakes ? I'm Kogasa'd :V
I handed out a lot of 5's as well: PCB, IN, MoF, SA and DS.
But it seems you gave EoSD a 4 which indicates that you like it. I'll just be waiting for your 1cc then. (Hopefully you'll make one that isn't as much of a trainwreck as mine was... entered stage 5 with 2 lives. And won. I got some good resourcemanagement there.)
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I think I have only once or twice ever uttered the word "clipdeath" with even a hint of malice.The only games I blame for my deaths are StB, and, after much deliberation, UFO.
As for the rankings, I normalized my responses around 3; 1 '5' (SA), 1 '1' (StB) and the rest roughly equal.
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For me, clipdeath means simply that I died by a very small margain, a close call as opposed to making a huge mistake like screwing up a streaming or something.
Even if you died by the width of a pixel, It is still your own mistake. Well, outside of certain SoEW bullets that is. :derp:
Although requiring actual pixel-perfect dodging makes thing very difficult and usually more frustrating than difficulty by other means, I'll give you that.
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I made PSM wreck my day again. Dying to that card (which happens 95% of the time) equals me getting in a bad mood as i've never died without being boxed in at that spellcard. A bad mood that effectively ruins the rest of the fight.
Then i go to Shou and as usual things go dreadful.
Vajra is apparently a card that requires memorized movements. Fuck that shit. Its fine enough to dodge the bullets and all but without any indication of the pace you need to move at I can really only consider it a piece of trash no matter how possible it might be.
No real grudge against her other attacks. Except her 2nd non-spell being super annoying because it requires better reflexes than i have which basically eliminates all skill and leave it up to dodging. I don't really think i can help it if my reflexes aren't faster than they are.
EDIT: Some edits now that i have calmed down a bit.
I don't think my reflexes are being too slow as i can read much faster bullets with greater sucess. Eternal Meek for example. And i suppose VoWG is harder as well. Its probably just because i utterly suck at laser attacks and gets rendered inable to do any good action simply because i don't see them coming. I can understand that there isn't something wrong with the game simply for my own lack of ability but its certainly a reason not to like a game.
If a game challenges you to the point where you take the blame of your mistakes and entertains you then you have a solid challenge.
If a game challenges you so hard that you can't seem to improve at it despite your best efforts and make you frustrated to the point where you start blaming the game then you've got difficulty that certainly is challenging but not in the good way.
In other words: I'm looking for challenging gameplay but not to the point where things get frustrating. I don't want any silly gimmicks where i need to more around the screen at a specific pace to redirect a laser, or having to figure out what parasol to destroy and what parasol not to destroy.
I want Hell God Sword, Virtue of Wind God, Storm Day, Spring Kyoto Dolls, Orin's final non-spell, any given Hong spellcard (easy? whatever at least it's fun), Sakuya's non-spells etc.
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Died with three power on Orin three times.
I should have a 1cc by now. This sucks.
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For me, clipdeath means simply that I died by a very small margain, a close call as opposed to making a huge mistake like screwing up a streaming or something.
Even if you died by the width of a pixel, It is still your own mistake. Well, outside of certain SoEW bullets that is. :derp:
Although requiring actual pixel-perfect dodging makes thing very difficult and usually more frustrating than difficulty by other means, I'll give you that.
This. Fucking this. Complaints about clipdeath are warranted so long as the player wasn't paying attention and ran into a bullet.
Speaking of screwing up streaming...
MoF Stage 4 hard. Tried to stream the red jellybeans by holding down and tapping left. Somehow messed that up and ran into a bullet. While streaming. I am going to go revoke my gamer's license now.
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tried to malice cannon "Possessed by Phoenix"
got killed by the explosion (!) at the last 5 second while I was about to finish off her life bar.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6057.0
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http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=6057.0
Depends on how pissed off he got. :V
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Augh, I really should have perfected the Prismrivers by now. I suicided twice before them to lower the rank (Lyrica's opener is nearly impossible on max rank due to a single added bullet), died as Concerto Grosso was exploding. If the stage weren't so long...
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
I was having my best PCB Hard run ever (7/3 by Stage 5, perfect stage 4 except for 1 death at the second prismriver nonspell) and, just as I thought, "hey look I'm actually playing decently tonight", stage 5 raped me and left me to die at stage 6 with no lives and three bombs, a couple of point items away from the last extend.
I somehow get past Youmu midboss with just one bomb spent, so I prayed and faced Yuyuko. I was actually doing not bad at all, when by the end of her second spellcard, being only 12 point items away from the extend, I rushed to the POC and got instakilled by spawning bullets.
:rage:
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I'm kind of wary about that stage 5 raping you stuff. Could I see a standard practice replay? Even if it was mostly bad luck it still sounds iffy.
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walls are aimed
multiple stabs to the chest are aimed too, in a way
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run around in circles to misdirect them
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Augh, I really should have perfected the Prismrivers by now. I suicided twice before them to lower the rank (Lyrica's opener is nearly impossible on max rank due to a single added bullet), died as Concerto Grosso was exploding. If the stage weren't so long...
Wait, what? Rank in PCB? I haven't noticed anything like that. Also, i didn't die during the stage when i perfected them so it can't be that impossible.
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I attempted an UFO Lunatic run. Got to stage 4 and game overed at anchor.
I DIED FUCKING THREE TIMES ON ICHIRIN AND TWO TIMES ON HER GODDAMN ASSFUCK OF A STAGE!!!
I hate this game and Stage 3 is to blame! I wanna cut up whatever playtester thought that was a good idea with a boxcutter. Terrible experience.
Also fuck that horrible UFO system. Its like those UFO's are designed to change color when you don't need them to and take forever to change whenever you actually want them to.
And stop fucking floating atop the screen where there is no way to get you. And stop floating where i need to dodge so i pick you up by accident.
I'll have to quit this game now because i've gotten so angry that i'm afraid i'll start hurting someone. Thus defining ragequitting.
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After countless practice and multiple captures in the row yesterday, I have finally nailed the heart cards...
*then proceed to clip in both Release of Id and Super Ego out of stupidity*
FFFFUUUUUU
*oh well maybe I will try again...*
then the worst run ever came
died once in the FIRST non-spell, bombed the extremely easy first spell
DIED IN THE FUCKING 2ND SPELL WTF HOW DID I FAIL THAT
Clipped some jellybeans
Got too excited and accepted Koishi's love in 3rd and 4th spell
then proceed to bomb through a couple of cards
Somehow made it to genetics and instantly ram into a bullet in the first 2 seconds.
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I'm kind of wary about that stage 5 raping you stuff. Could I see a standard practice replay? Even if it was mostly bad luck it still sounds iffy.
This (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9258) is last night's run, I don't have time right now to try a st5 practice run, but given the conditions (7/3) it's as good as one I guess.
But yeah, I'm not making amends, I suck at PCB st5, even in normal. Keep in mind I haven't 1cc'd PCB hard yet. I know the theory of how you're supposed to tackle Youmu's attacks but if I lose concentration for a tiny bit then everything goes to hell.
Last night it was somewhat special, I somehow managed to not bomb once despite losing a lot of lives (and despite having excellent deathbomb reflexes during the previous stages). I'm pretty sure it was the fact that I failed pretty hard at some initial popcorn attacks and Youmu's first spellcard and lost concentration, but yeah... that replay is really embarrassing, st5 onwards :blush:
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Another Pacifist run that got to Ran's timeout phase just to game over because of idiotic screw ups earlier in the run. 2 others that got to Shikigami "Chen", and another that got to Unilateral Contact.
And all these 1DNB and 2DNB timeouts of Charming Siege piss me off, especially the one where I stupidly died with under 3 seconds left on the card.
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PCB Normal Stage 5 is the reason I can't 1cc this freaking game. I've figured out how to deal with pretty much all of Youmu's cards but I always die frequently and randomly to different things. I don't think I've captured any of her cards.
On a slightly related note, is there a general opinion on the difficulty of each Prismriver's individual spellcards and non-spells? I've only really ever bothered with Lunasa (Reimu) and her "thing" seems to be claustrophobia and really small dodging space. I've gotten used to that by now but when I've tried other sisters they completely obliterate me. Any opinions on them?
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Wait, what? Rank in PCB? I haven't noticed anything like that.
What I've generally seen in regards to this is that rank does exist in PCB, but unlike EoSD, it's so subtle that it's basically a meaningless number and something you can ignore 99% of the time. The only PCB attack I've seen anyone mention rank on is, as Donut mentioned, Lyrica's opener, which Kefit also mentions here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmONw-PN-Fk).
Of course, as a Reimu player, I end up fighting Lunasa, and I've never encountered this attack outside of the two Marisa 1ccs I've done, so I don't actually have any experience of my own to draw conclusions from. For all I know, this thing called "max rank" is just a bad case of nervousness.
On a slightly related note, is there a general opinion on the difficulty of each Prismriver's individual spellcards and non-spells? I've only really ever bothered with Lunasa (Reimu) and her "thing" seems to be claustrophobia and really small dodging space. I've gotten used to that by now but when I've tried other sisters they completely obliterate me. Any opinions on them?
For Normal, you're probably fine sticking with Lunasa. Lunatics tend to go for Lyrica due to her tap-stream noncard and relatively easy spellcard, but something about that spellcard seems to be more difficult on Normal than it is on Lunatic I typed that out, then decided to go back and test it for myself. It doesn't just "seem" more difficult. That is NOT a Normal difficulty spellcard. It's definitely more difficult than its Lunatic equivalent.
Don't fight Lyrica on Normal.
I don't have much experience with Merlin, but I seem to recall curvy lasers on that front. I'd reject it just based on that.
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I don't have much experience with Merlin, but I seem to recall curvy lasers on that front. I'd reject it just based on that.
Merlin's opener is absolutely brutal. Hino Phantasm (the Normal card) is much harder than Ghost Clifford, Hard or Lunatic.
The Prismrivers are not very well balanced.
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Merlin's opener generally takes a total of 3-4 resources away from me, so usually 1 death and some bombs. I fucking hate that attack so much considering I mainly use Sakuya.
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Merlin's opener is absolutely brutal. Hino Phantasm (the Normal card) is much harder than Ghost Clifford, Hard or Lunatic.
The Prismrivers are not very well balanced.
I don't know about Hino Phantasm or Ghost Clifford as i pretty much destroy those spellcards without any effort but Merlin's opener is certainly brutal. If nothing else because i have to play crappy maid to face it. Still, tough attack. Also. I remember their easy mode version of one of their spellcards were something that belonged on Hard mode. I'm not too sure of that however.
About Kefit: He just failed. I immediately found a gap to dodge through. He didn't even clip anything. Rushed straight into a bullet. Now, there might be some rank mumbo-jumbo to this game but it doesn't seem to be too much of a problem. Its strange how Kefit never managed to capture it at max rank though. It was obviously possible.
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Wait, what? Rank in PCB? I haven't noticed anything like that. Also, i didn't die during the stage when i perfected them so it can't be that impossible.
Yes, like Krim said, Lyrica's opener is the only place where rank makes a substantial difference in PCB. On max rank, there's one added bullet that so happens to be right over the gap you normally squeeze through. It's not an impossible squeeze, but it's one that is very difficult and due to the stage's length (along with the possibility you don't make it through without dying) impossible to practice. It's because of this attack and Concerto Grosso shenanigans that I still haven't perfected the easiest stage 4 bosses in the series despite perfecting someone like Aya. :(
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I get you. That's also part of the reason i only perfect bosses rather than the entire stage. It simply takes too long time. And the bosses are the only interesting thing about Touhou. (Good thing the stage:boss ratio is opposite of DDP)
But. Why do you insist on using Marisa then? Are you unable to play Reimu properly? I actually considered perfecting the Prismrivers as Marisa instead of Reimu but i found Reimu's 2nd non-spell to be harder than Marisa's 1st non-spell and because i find Reimu's movements more precise i choose her.
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[17:12] <theshim> okay, there were enough bullets on screen going fast enough that I traded three boss summons with Chiyuri after I died
[17:12] <theshim> PoDD is retarded
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Reimu is too slow for my tastes in EoSD and PCB. Something about not being able to outrun bullets gets to me. Plus, isn't Lunasa's second non-spell notorious for being nigh-impossible?
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Plus, isn't Lunasa's second non-spell notorious for being nigh-impossible?
Not really (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRhl3ouJD0k) :V
Not the only cap either. Done it several times.
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I have a no-focus Reimu A capture of it in an old failed no-focus 1cc attempt (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=4195). It would have been the highlight of the run if I didn't deathborder Sumizome, giving me a chance at Resurrection Butterfly.
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Well, that just supports the statement that it certainly isn't nigh-impossible.
Still... no-focus... you just have to do everything the odd way huh? Maybe i'll think of something nice to do with that attack. :/
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Everyone yells at me just because I made a rage thread a bit early. X(
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Then we make two more posts.
Even though I'm proud of 1cc'ing Lunatic....
What the hell Kaguya? No doubt that you've got impossible requests. Nothing Kanako has ('cept for VoWG and Source of Rains) compares to that.
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Ephemerality 137 (lunatic)
Took me freaking #$&%$#^ 137 tries in a row to capture.
Now, we need one more post.
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And that's it. Please don't be petty and make another post just because you can.