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~Beyond the Border~ => Akyu's Arcade => Topic started by: Edible on February 26, 2016, 05:59:20 PM

Title: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on February 26, 2016, 05:59:20 PM
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/3c369990fafdd79d914eafe50386e803/tumblr_nwqrrhPna71qfsqmio1_1280.jpg)

Puzzle & Dragons is an iOS/android puzzle RPG with BATMAN in it.  It plays like a cross between Bejeweled and Pok?mon.  It's completely free to play, but has premium features through purchasable "magic stones," the game's premium currency (which can also be obtained frequently as rewards in-game), which allow for increased inventory, pulls from a rare egg machine, and more.  If you're patient enough the game gives you enough stones through special events and rewards that you shouldn't need to buy any.  (It's recommended you don't because most things can be obtained/beaten without spending money and some amount of patience and skill.)

You can control monsters from lowly slimes to even lowlier dragons to BATMAN(above).  They all mostly have different stats and skills, allowing you to customize your team for any number of purposes.

Real talk though, the real reason to get into this game is because everyone else here is playing it and has been playing non-stop for the past 2 years :V , and probably won't stop for a long time thanks to the constant updates to the game and its mechanics, balance changes that never directly nerf anything and are mostly focused on increasing the viability of older monsters, and of course the endless addition of new monsters and collabs that are dished out on a regular basis.  AND BATMAN

If you're interested, there's a really useful database of BATMAN and game info here:

http://www.puzzledragonx.com/

A tip for new players: At the end of the tutorial the game will give you one free pull on the rare egg machine.  It's best to "scum" this pull and start over (by uninstalling and reinstalling) until you get something that's really rare (a god).  Great starters include any of the Chinese gods, Bastet, Isis, Verdandi, Lu Bu, Bastet, Odin, Kali, Shiva, Bastet, Sonia, and BATMAN.  Feel free to ask!

If you need more help or just want to discuss BATMAN, we also have a P&D channel on the MotK IRC network in here. Just type your name and go.
For those using IRC clients other than webchat, the channel is #puzzleandlibrarians on irc.ppirc.net.


List of friends + Main Leaders:
Edible: 328,945,274 (BATMAN*, Bastet*)
hyorinryu: 357.646.299 (Sakuya*, Perseus*)
Suikama: 348.941.282 (Isis*, Ra Dra*)
triangles: 322.456.235 (LMeta*, Santa Sakuya)
Chaore: 344,844,286 (Verdandi, Shiva*)
Yukarin: 394.177.213 (Haku*, Sakuya*)
Jq1790: 396,049,294 (Athena, Karin*)
Pesco: 328 276 294 (Rodin, Ronia)
Dibble: 314,673,283 (Isis, GOdin)
Matsuri: 358,689,277 (Awoken Astaroth*, Awoken Tsukuyomi*)
Fast Fanatic: 359,184,275 (TAMADRAPurin*, Sakuya*)
Sacchi Hikaru: 385,394,297 (Horus*, Vishnu*)
rdj: 338,277,280 (AA Lucifer*, Minerva*)
Chirei: 326,404,383 (Leilan*, Alraune*)
commandercool: 312,728,337 (Gabriel*, Awoken Ra*)
Aoshi: 398,822,333 (School!Athena, Sakuya*)
Conqueror: 331,616,320 (DQXQ, I&I)
MoogsParfait: 313,455,268 (Leilan, Amaterasu*)
Dorakyura: 347,957,300 (Nephthys*)
Bio: 336,681,244 (Sakuya, Athena)
En: 351,629,319 (Lu Bu, Haku)
moekou: 329,066,242 (Osiris*, Pandora)
Espadas: 301,335,377 (Ronia, B/G Karin)
Calamity: 331,737,355 (Ronia, Shiva)
Mea: 380,147,382 (Sakuya, chibi Rose)
aUsernameIsFineToo: 347,966,337 (Bastet, Rozuel)
Ruka: 368,034,352 (Sasuke, I&I Healer)

(Asterisk next to leaders means "hypermax" - +297, max skill. Glowing leaders have all five latent awakening slots full.)

Topic Archive
Thread I (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14669.0.html)
Thread II (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15058.0.html)
Thread III (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15370.0.html)
Thread IV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15728.0.html)
Thread V (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16090.0.html)
Thread VI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16209.0.html)
Thread VII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16326.0.html)
Thread VIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16604.0.html)
Thread IX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16767.0.html)
Thread X (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17002.0.html)
Thread XI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17175.0.html)
Thread XII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17337.0.html)
Thread XIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17483.0.html)
Thread XIV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17582.0.html)
Thread XV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17678.0.html)
Thread XVI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17748.0.html)
Thread XVII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17904.0.html)
Thread XVIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=18079.0.html)
Thread XIX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18188.0.html)
Thread XX (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18335.0.html)
Thread XXI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18505.0.html)
Thread XXII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18624.0.html)
Thread XXIII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18773.0.html)
Thread XXIV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18888.0.html)
Thread XXV (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18990.0.html)
Thread XXVI (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19121.0.html)
Thread XXVII (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19208.0.html)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on February 26, 2016, 06:06:57 PM
Friday dungeon more like never drop dub topalits dungeon
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 26, 2016, 06:11:29 PM
Yup, just Dub Amelits all friday every friday.

I mean, I got lucky and only had to run it once this morning to grab the Dub Mythlit I needed to make Awoken Loki, but mostly it's just purple trash ghosts. I've definitely had 6-7 in a row Amelits before.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on February 26, 2016, 06:17:47 PM
Also, don't forget:

There is a Gungho America Stream at 9:30 EST today! (http://www.twitch.tv/gunghoamerica)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on February 26, 2016, 06:26:02 PM
Friday dungeon more like never drop dub topalits dungeon
Don`t jinx it ! I`m in need of more Dubtopalits. :(

Also, is A. Sakuya just better than G. Sakuya or it`s just like people`s taste or builds ? She would fit very well on my ideas.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Moogs Parfait on February 26, 2016, 06:41:39 PM
Edible would you change my leads to A Leilan and Gold Star A Ammy
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on February 26, 2016, 06:45:48 PM
Sure.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on February 26, 2016, 06:51:21 PM
Edible would you change my leads to A Leilan and Gold Star A Ammy
Amaterasu ? Do you have space for a humble Rank 76 on your friend`s list ?
I understand if you don`t.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Moogs Parfait on February 26, 2016, 07:24:56 PM
I cleared out the quitters just now, feel free to send me a request
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on February 26, 2016, 07:43:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/B2VtaUf.jpg)

Art upgrade complete!  Really was indifferent about her artwork before this, but now she's quite pretty.  Glasses upgrade is totes legit.

She even gave me a little gift when I did that!

(http://i.imgur.com/rmqZ32o.jpg)

Skillmaaaax!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 26, 2016, 08:13:49 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/B2VtaUf.jpg)

Let's keep adding grandmas like it's cookie clicker

(http://i.imgur.com/HFKaLmL.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 26, 2016, 08:27:01 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ZgnEFU9.jpg)

I don't even want her, I just like bandwagons.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on February 26, 2016, 09:04:17 PM
>tfw no sexy urd
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 26, 2016, 09:36:43 PM
> tfw the Urd I sold for Yomidora turned cute
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on February 26, 2016, 10:11:59 PM
Re: Chirei
Puzzle & Clickers.

Re: FF
>sold presumably nondupe GFE
OTL
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 26, 2016, 10:34:21 PM
nah it's okay like, Urd is cute but I like husbandos more.

Unfortunately, Puzzle and Dragons seems to have more plausible waifus than charming men. What can you do?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on February 26, 2016, 10:38:32 PM
You have your husbandos, what i want is cute and fluffy stuff. :3
Probably a sideeffect of having owned a Bunny
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 26, 2016, 10:50:07 PM
You have your husbandos, what i want is cute and fluffy stuff. :3
Probably a sideeffect of having owned a Bunny

Cute and fluffy
Do you
Know who you're talking to?

(http://imgur.com/ubqsjDC.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on February 26, 2016, 11:14:36 PM
Cute and fluffy
Do you
Know who you're talking to?

(http://imgur.com/ubqsjDC.jpg)

So fofo, must have...... plushy doll, must pet and hug and pet and give care.

And i just saw one of your Extra 90 FPS clears, you make me feel bad on my EoSD Extra attempts, now i feel like the garbage i am. ;-;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 26, 2016, 11:17:10 PM
nah it's okay like, Urd is cute but I like husbandos more.

Unfortunately, Puzzle and Dragons seems to have more plausible waifus than charming men. What can you do?

That's because the lesser husbandos know they can't compete with One True Husbando so they just stay home.

I do wish PAD would make better use of what few husbandos they have though. Would be nice if we could get some event Odins to go with all the dressup waifus. Beach Odin, school Odin, president's day Odin. Or maybe Susano.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on February 26, 2016, 11:35:50 PM
I dont care for husbandos myself but the lack of lifeguard Odin is still a terrible crime that needs to be rectified.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Pesco on February 26, 2016, 11:43:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/t5bGf9C.png) (http://i.imgur.com/KfX03fF.png)

Something for everyone
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Aoshi-shi on February 26, 2016, 11:46:43 PM
I'm always for more husbando shenanigans. They could at least do something with the Sengoku boys.

Also Edible can you add on a gold name and * to my Sakuya please? Thanks!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 26, 2016, 11:50:40 PM
I dont care for husbandos myself but the lack of lifeguard Odin is still a terrible crime that needs to be rectified.

I'm just lucky PAD School didn't have a schoolteacher Gabriel or I would probably still be broke.

(http://i.imgur.com/t5bGf9C.png) (http://i.imgur.com/KfX03fF.png)

Something for everyone

Shirt is too on, not good enough (regarding Lucifer anyway, Urd's shirt is relatively off).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on February 27, 2016, 12:02:52 AM
Let's keep adding grandmas like it's cookie clicker

(http://i.imgur.com/HFKaLmL.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/tM6Ipvn.png)

Never knew so many people had her. She was nice enough to go 3/6 in skill ups too. Idk what I'll do with her. Maybe she'll be a Raoh sub.




Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on February 27, 2016, 12:04:24 AM
Don't forget this guy husbando-seekers!

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/MONS_894.jpg)

Re: Urd parade
I need to remember to use her as a lead more too.  I probably dont have enough RB subs, but it could be fun.  Freyr would go a long way for m-wait I have Apollo.  I suppose I could use him if I worked on him later.  Huh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2016, 12:21:52 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/tM6Ipvn.png)

Never knew so many people had her.

I swear she and Verdandi are the most common godfest exclusives. I think I've thrown away at least four of them each. They get around, somehow.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Pesco on February 27, 2016, 01:13:26 AM
Shirt is too on, not good enough (regarding Lucifer anyway, Urd's shirt is relatively off).

Imagination is sexier than seeing it all
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on February 27, 2016, 01:31:08 AM
I thought Okuni, Izanagi, and Red Odin were the gotos for husbandos.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on February 27, 2016, 01:39:58 AM
There're plenty if you know where to look!  Not nearly as many as the waifu brigade of course(because those sell better), but there're still a decent number of them.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on February 27, 2016, 03:24:37 AM
That Urd couldn't show more cleavage even if she wanted to
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on February 27, 2016, 03:50:53 AM
And here I am waiting for my one true dragon husbando.

let's just forget for a moment that Z8 is actually good so that the above statement can make sense, okay? okay.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2016, 06:01:41 AM
Hmm my PreDra dungeon is right in the muddle of a tabletop event that I've got scheduled for tomorrow. I can either rudely ignore my first round opponent to dick around on my phone during a game, or I can play super aggressively and try to win or lose as fast as possible.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on February 27, 2016, 02:35:59 PM
Reminder to not play PAD as the first thing in the morning:

Alarm goes off.
Grab phone and dismiss alarm.
(still in bed)
Open PAD.
Go into Challenge of a Lifetime twice with the wrong team.

:fail:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 27, 2016, 02:48:24 PM
Hmm my PreDra dungeon is right in the muddle of a tabletop event that I've got scheduled for tomorrow. I can either rudely ignore my first round opponent to dick around on my phone during a game, or I can play super aggressively and try to win or lose as fast as possible.

Excuse yourself to the restroom, hit the dungeon hard in there, apologize when you come back.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on February 27, 2016, 03:36:24 PM
About 15 minutes before going to the restroom start making faces like you are suffering or in discomfort, it helps...... although the questions after you come back are a bit more concerned  :derp: (speaking for experience.... dunno if i should be ashamed of it  ::))

Anyway Edible, could you change my leaders in the op? I don't use them anymore, now i'm basically running any Dark lead is best suited for the dungeon. If you want to put specific ones my first choices are usually A.Loki, A.Pandora and Yomidra (although i still bust out Verdandi and A.Sakuya when i can)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on February 27, 2016, 03:45:55 PM
I have a doctor appointment during pre dra

Who thought it was a good idea to make it so early in the morning?!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on February 27, 2016, 04:16:19 PM
*Plays  Challenge of a lifetime*

Well this ain`t too bad.
"Eastern Seven Star Formation"

Game Over :(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 27, 2016, 05:08:48 PM
Total bullshit that this only happens once today, especially since I missed most of mine. <_<;

Still...

(http://i.imgur.com/Pr0AXKd.png)
(Inc. HP)

(http://i.imgur.com/DdpBhRr.png)
(Inc. Time)

First and second full pentamaxed cards!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on February 27, 2016, 05:43:27 PM
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-BAN2C5-wZcI/VtHei2Zdf9I/AAAAAAAADTM/aIoH-w9pv-c/w339-h602-no/16%2B-%2B1)

i think i'm fine gungho thanks for the dungeon
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on February 27, 2016, 05:46:24 PM
Hey, at least it's 1502 MP, right?  Or were those ones only 100 or something?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on February 27, 2016, 05:47:08 PM
 WAKE ME UP INSIDE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXcdYBh3hgg)
(https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B0k2U6aV60UXak95dUY3d0tPMWc)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on February 27, 2016, 05:52:33 PM
Hey, at least it's 1502 MP, right?  Or were those ones only 100 or something?

Smalls are 100 mp yes, the 500 ones are rare spawns.

I can put the latents on leilan to make chirei less scrub though
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2016, 07:04:27 PM
Excuse yourself to the restroom, hit the dungeon hard in there, apologize when you come back.

I ended up missing the first 20 minutes of the dungeon because I had to find parking, then I half-played PAD while half-playing my other game. Ended up dropping an extra stone a minute after the dungeon ended because I wasn't paying attention. Still worth it.

Still zero black resists though.

If anyone happens to be updating the front page for the fact that every lead will be glowing now, plz add my NepDra. He has rainbow resists now but with two whites until I farm a black.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on February 27, 2016, 07:14:20 PM
Not bad, though I had to burn through more stones than I would have hoped because I don't even have 150 stamina yet. But some of these are absolutely worthless, 4 auto heals and a time extend, in addition to several attack and rcv boosts, which I suppose could be useful on specific mons or teams. Not mine though. I'm one green dmg resist away from rainbow which sucks, and no skill delay resists. Though I wonder if the latter even drop?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2016, 07:24:29 PM
No, they don't.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on February 27, 2016, 07:38:11 PM
Lol ok I thought I was being a little hopeful, so it's not just my luck
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 27, 2016, 08:07:23 PM
Did one full bar of natural stamina and then stoned a full five times after. This is what you can get instead of pulling REM once at my rank. All runs were done on Master difficulty except one.

(start after the red ninja, light latent with +1 on it is from 5x4 T&S)

(http://i.imgur.com/vtUXKUt.png) (http://i.imgur.com/nytd1sH.png)

2 HP
0 ATK (wtf????)
3 RCV
6 TE
3 Auto

3 Fire RES
4 Water RES
3 Wood RES
5 Light RES
6 Dark RES

Also ~15,000 MP

Total Value without MP shop discounts: ~710,000 MP

With Half-Price Latent Discount: ~330,000 MP



Which one would you rather have...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on February 27, 2016, 08:38:55 PM
I missed it fuck me

Fuck me with a rusty tamadra
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2016, 09:10:47 PM
How often can we expect to see this back? I'm up to do it infinity more times.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on February 27, 2016, 09:28:16 PM
I had a sadistic choice to make and in the end i went for +eggs. Simply cleared PreDRA dungeon for the stone and went back to run GYP. No matter how good that dungeon is, i have to give priority to plusses while 10x is still going....
Next time tho it will be a different story....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 27, 2016, 09:34:22 PM
I hypermaxed two things during this, so I feel like I'm good for +eggs for now. I don't even own another thing I want to hypermax.

Awoken Orochi is now the only thing I own that's +297 but not skillmax. I just don't have enough Bubpiis.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on February 28, 2016, 12:12:04 AM
I threw a stone or two and mostly got shit all.

A-Ama has an extra 9% auto-rcv now though!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Pesco on February 28, 2016, 01:19:40 AM
I take it Master difficulty for farming latents is fine? As in drops are still guaranteed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 28, 2016, 01:21:11 AM
I take it Master difficulty for farming latents is fine? As in drops are still guaranteed.

Drops are 100% on all settings, Master is more MP/stamina, Legend is more Latents/time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on February 28, 2016, 02:11:24 AM
Just out of curiosity, I decided to scribble out a few numbers regarding the MP efficiency of grinding this dungeon over rolling in the REM.

Assuming that:
- They don't decide to nerf Master drops in the future, ie: drops are 100% per floor
- the Predra drop rate is 1 in 3 on floor 2
- 1 REM roll is worth 5000 mp (lol)

With that out of the way,
33% of the time, you would get 1 Predra and 2 baby Predras for 700mp
66% of the time, you would get 3 baby Predras for 300mp

So on average, you should be getting (0.33)*700mp + (0.66)*300mp ≈ 433mp per run on master

For griding this dungeon for MP comparable to a 6* REM roll to be worth it,
5000mp/433mp ≈ 11.5 runs
11.5runs/5 stones ≈ 2.3 runs/stone, or:
≥ 3 runs per stone
which is also:
≥ 150 stamina per stone

tldr; grinding this dungeon for MP on master difficulty is efficient and comparable to a 6* REM roll (5000mp) starting at 3 runs per stone, or 150 stamina per stone, minimum.
(Rank 267 hits 150 stamina)

Which shouldn't be a problem for most of the people here, I'd imagine. At 131 stamina, I wasn't being MP efficient with my stone usage, in other words.
If you must know, if your luck is utter crap and the game hates you and will only drop baby predras for you, then it becomes efficient at 4 runs/stone or 200 stamina/stone minimum.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Pesco on February 28, 2016, 03:04:45 AM
Now tell us the efficiency in relation to the cost of buying latents.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on February 28, 2016, 03:23:34 AM
"Why would you buy something that can be farmed?"

At least that's my outlook on it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on February 28, 2016, 04:11:33 AM
Now tell us the efficiency in relation to the cost of buying latents.
I'm... assuming that's a sarcastic jab at how obvious that should have been or at how I was missing the point entirely since the gold trophy of the dungeons isn't the MP so much as it is the latents.
But since I can't tell and I'm such a good little teacher's pet I'll stand up and answer to say something everyone in the class probably already knows anyway. Which usually only goes to show how much that person is an outspoken smartass but I'll play the role.

If you're being MP efficient, then it doesn't matter either way whether you go for rolling the REM for MP, selling useless mons or dupes into your bank or farming MP from the dungeon. The only difference being that with the dungeon, you might actually get the one latent you want, or others that you can use. Besides which, you can be more than efficient than just straddling efficiency/equivalence. With rolling the REM, the worth of your roll will likely be less than the ideal 5000 MP that I assumed in the homework. You're leaving things to chance, and chance left in the fist of PaD who clenches that die will more often than not result in a punch straight through your hopes and dreams. The only latent that you have to buy is the skill delay resist, and again, if you're being MP efficient with stones then it doesn't matter which way except that, again, you're probably better off going the dungeon route.
Which probably changes if you're more early in the game with not many REM rolls or in need of strong leads. In which case you would likely benefit more from [the chance of getting, haha,] strong gods to go through more of the game than you would from trying to tune whatever party you have into a slightly, slightly more optimal one.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 28, 2016, 04:21:27 AM
"Why would you buy something that can be farmed?"

At least that's my outlook on it.

At this point I could conceivably see myself buying latents for Snow White since she's wide open right now if they're something extremely specific that would help me beat a specific Challenge 10. Like if I was just a few HP short of tanking something I might buy HP latents for her or something. It's not my intent to do that, but it's a scenario where I might buy something that can be farmed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on February 28, 2016, 05:53:58 AM
Wow uh aPandy's damage is kind of fucking silly

(http://i.imgur.com/yUGcshI.jpg)

Ra dragon doesn't feel so powerful anymore...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on February 28, 2016, 05:57:47 AM
Wow uh aPandy's damage is kind of fucking silly

>Enhance

yeah...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 28, 2016, 06:22:32 AM
Meanwhile I'm here like

"wtf who even runs balanced?"

CHIREI DON'T TALK

(http://i.imgur.com/aEZrBBA.jpg)

Thanks, JQ. You're the best.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on February 28, 2016, 06:47:32 AM
o7  Glad to be of service!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on February 28, 2016, 08:56:38 AM
CHIREI DON'T TALK

too late mudderfukker
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on February 28, 2016, 02:41:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/FIHPgCO.jpg)

yay
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on February 28, 2016, 05:04:26 PM
I really need to remember she is actually quite nice and raise one later.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on February 29, 2016, 08:16:05 AM
What the shit am I even supposed to do with australis :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 29, 2016, 08:20:39 AM
welp all my pulls sucked

hello mp!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on February 29, 2016, 08:31:24 AM
Don't make me nervous ! I'm also gonna pull.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 29, 2016, 08:47:10 AM
Bad pulls are just part of the game, yo. Get used to it early on, you'll get a lot of 'em.

But that makes the good ones all the sweeter.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on February 29, 2016, 08:57:21 AM
First Pull: Snowwhite.
Eh, it's just the first one right ?
Second: Farmable Dragonette
Why is this in REM ?
Third: Chrono Turtle
:( Why no light ?
Fourth: LKali
...... Welp, i can work with that ! :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on February 29, 2016, 09:07:18 AM
Bad pulls are just part of the game, yo. Get used to it early on, you'll get a lot of 'em.

But that makes the good ones all the sweeter.
> Has literally not pulled a single non-gold for at least two months.

yyyyyyyyeah

altho I got a dupe oukuninushi out of this one so I should probably sell it

my other 3 pulls are going for tomorrow tho
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on February 29, 2016, 09:19:58 AM
In fairness, the game has come a long way over the years. The REM used to be a cruel mistress, now it hands out golds like candy. :V

It's just kinda meh for those of us who already have a huge spread of things so most things we pull are dupes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on February 29, 2016, 09:33:41 AM
Oh well, even RNG needs to have some mercy from time to time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on February 29, 2016, 09:54:22 AM
(https://i.imgflip.com/100fuk.jpg)

I got nothing I wanted but at least no silvers
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 29, 2016, 12:08:22 PM
oh
hi Castor

Am unsure what gender you are, but you'll be used on both Yomidora and Zaerogoo regardless.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 29, 2016, 12:29:24 PM
One pull, got duplicate Pandora. That's really good, isn't it? Do people usually use Awoken Pandora as a sub for herself, or her as a lead and Super Pandora as a sub? My normal Pandora is skillmax so I can make this the Awoken if both are good. Will do another pull later.

Edit: So right now this looks like my best Pandora team:

APandora/Pandora*/Hanzo/Zuoh/Loki/APandora

For a weird pile of suboptimal crap I think it looks half decent. Tons of physicals to cover Hanzo's HP, and Hanzo and Pandora cover Zuoh's active perfectly. Less troll resistance than I would like, but I can sub in Sleeping Beauty pretty easily.

*Could be APando or Super Pandora. I want to say another Awoken sounds nice to get even more haste, but I may end up with a RCV problem so maybe the Super is better.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Tea Devil on February 29, 2016, 01:21:30 PM
- grimrock
- undine

hey gungho, multiplying the chance to get heroes doesn't help if the base chance is zero

why are godfests always useless, might as well save all of my stones for president lucifer in the summer

i mean, i'll get the same amount of trash either way
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 29, 2016, 01:43:56 PM
I got Perseus, now? That's cool.

I don't understand how Pandora and Andromeda are, uh, "powerful" in the sense that they are. Pandora opened a box, and Andromeda was tied to a rock to be eaten until Perseus saved her.

Maybe all of Pandora's buffs are really just to the box. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on February 29, 2016, 01:52:12 PM
Allow me to present to you Jammer Meta (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbLmRD8DNP4)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 29, 2016, 01:57:22 PM
FF: As PAD's liberties taken with the source material go I think the inclusion of those two as full-powered gods was actually really cool. The thing they both have in common is that they're both mythological women who served as plot devices, having something bad happen to them and then vanishing from the story. In PAD the imication is that they've taken the objects of their misfortune and used them as weapons (especially cool for Andro, who is now wielding the chains that once bound her).

Even though mythology kind of shit on them PAD is making them just as important as the men in their stories, and in a really cool way. Are they ultimately just an excuse to cram more waifus in the game? Absolutely, but I think they're a well-handled one.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 29, 2016, 04:17:21 PM
Scrounged up enough stones for a second REM pull.

-Duplicate Australis

Lolwut.

I actually kind of like the idea of using this guy as a sub for himself.

Australis/Australis/Spica/Voice/Asgard/Australis

One skillboost meta.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on February 29, 2016, 04:40:39 PM
I got Perseus, now? That's cool.

I don't understand how Pandora and Andromeda are, uh, "powerful" in the sense that they are. Pandora opened a box, and Andromeda was tied to a rock to be eaten until Perseus saved her.

Maybe all of Pandora's buffs are really just to the box. :V

Lorewise, Andromeda truly was just an unlucky girl whose mother made the wrong arrogant comment.

Pandora.... not so much.
She is the first woman made by the gods, and each mayor Greek God gave her "gifts", MALEVOLENT GIFTS, to punish humanity for Prometheus's theft of Fire.
She is a beautiful but deceitful, lying Eve. Her creation literally brings about the end of the Golden Age of humanity....

So she totally deserve her Devil type, and considering that jar of hers released diseases, plagues and a crapton of "evils" in the world, she was definitely dangerous..... but "heroic"? As much as i love your Pad incarnation, nothing heroic about you, girl.....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 29, 2016, 04:58:37 PM
I don't know, I think Pandora can still work as a hero or an anti-hero. What's the primary thing we fight in PAD? Gods. She's lashing out against the gods who used and/or tricked her depending on the version of the myth you're looking at.

And the fact that her box has anything but hope in it should mean something. Maybe her heroic act is traveling the world capturing the things she unleashed and stuffing them back in there.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on February 29, 2016, 05:06:36 PM
Starlight:  Snow White is a fantastic blue cleric card.  Unbindable and makes hearts and clears bind turns with her skill

Dragonette is not in fact farmable(though is given out sometimes as a possible drop from a gift dungeon)(nothing in the REM is anymore since a long time ago) and can patch a wood row team's sub void until you get something better

Chrono Turtle i cannot defend, adorable as the base form is, sadly.

LKali is a HIGHLY coveted sub and a GFE so you totally won on that!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 29, 2016, 05:14:58 PM
That's a good point, never knock a non-duplicate Fairy Tale Girl. Especially if it's Snow White.

This is what I think of Snow White:

(http://i.imgur.com/TuY3i6r.jpg)

(Never mind the autoheal latents, I just tossed those in there until I can get her some delay resists.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on February 29, 2016, 05:24:27 PM
tbh

Fairy Tale girls are probably the best possible silver eggs, with Sticker Girls. Sure, their attack might look a little lacking, but more often than not the rest of the team is dealing overkill damage anyways.

Dragon Knights are pretty cool too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on February 29, 2016, 08:28:35 PM
Fairy Tale girls are probably the best possible silver eggs, with Sticker Girls. Sure, their attack might look a little lacking, but more often than not the rest of the team is dealing overkill damage anyways.

Dragon Knights are pretty cool too.

Fairy Tale and Dragon Knights are better than some golds tbh.

(looking at you chokezume)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Aoshi-shi on February 29, 2016, 09:13:46 PM
Thanks for reminding me that I needed to roll lol

Got Diadem
Gadius
Naphthys
Anubis
Cerberus Rider

Diadem might be okay for my Bonia team but idk what to do with the others haha
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on February 29, 2016, 09:34:59 PM
Eight rolls!
-LKali
-GOdin
-Strawberry Dragon
-Durga
-Chronoturtle
-Archangel Lucifer
-Okuninushi
-Verdandi
I think I did luck out well enough.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on February 29, 2016, 09:58:36 PM
decided to roll for the hell of it since i've never gotten the dromeders NA side

radius
australis
somepadzshit
Lkali#2 (oh no.)
MOTHERFUCKIN'DROMEDER

hero set confirmed worth
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 29, 2016, 10:04:30 PM
She evades me still, and it's to her benefit. If she ever shows her face 'round these parts I'm going to feed her to Snow White.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on February 29, 2016, 10:29:38 PM
Yay, wait i thought LKali was wanted more as a Leader, oh well, still happy, and now i understand Snow White.
So many LKalis u.u, i still want a Norn u_u.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on February 29, 2016, 10:46:55 PM
Nah, Kali's a pretty mediocre leader. 36x with no HP or RCV boosts isn't stellar for a rainbow team. She's best suited as a sub on other rainbow teams, often in multiples. You could definitely get away with leading with her, she's still seemingly a fairly popular lead, but it's not her niche.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 01, 2016, 12:39:53 AM
honestly the fact that she has inbuilt kali by being kali probably makes her better than some but

really, it's more color teams suffering from being 'ra or you're shit' these days
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2016, 01:22:19 AM
That's definitely true to an extend, but unless your modifier is so good that you can sweep everything there's a limit to how many Kalis you want before you start needing utility subs and I think that limit is three. My Kalloween team runs four right now and I kind of think that's too many.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 01, 2016, 02:42:44 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/DiKsQN1.jpg)

 :)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 01, 2016, 03:05:00 AM
I think I might start working on a Pandora team since all my other pad friends use her and according to pad lists she's pretty much the #1 jp waifu right now

Not sure what the best team would be though. I have Pandy, Loki, Claire, Haku, and Grisar, as well as a bunch of other dark cards which are either non-devil or non row like zaerog, lolcifer, yomi, durga, chester, lilith, Diadem, and the legendary I LOVE DEVILBEAR. I guess I'm mostly missing out on Akechi

oh yeah i also have Vritra, Gryps rider, and Hanzo
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 01, 2016, 06:34:01 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Tiq8f4q.jpg)

 :matsurismirk:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 01, 2016, 06:36:37 AM
>pulls together five more stones
>Undine

I never learn.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2016, 06:40:33 AM
I think I might start working on a Pandora team since all my other pad friends use her and according to pad lists she's pretty much the #1 jp waifu right now

Not sure what the best team would be though. I have Pandy, Loki, Claire, Haku, and Grisar, as well as a bunch of other dark cards which are either non-devil or non row like zaerog, lolcifer, yomi, durga, chester, lilith, Diadem, and the legendary I LOVE DEVILBEAR. I guess I'm mostly missing out on Akechi

oh yeah i also have Vritra, Gryps rider, and Hanzo

Grisar and Loki seem like they fit pretty well, at least if you can support the skillups for both of them. Personally I wouldn't be able to turn down Claire. Do you have Sleeping Beauty? Pando/Grisar/Claire/Loki/Sleeping Beauty/Pando sounds good to me.

I don't really intend to lead with Pandora very much, but I'm definitely going to make her team because I have nothing better to do, I want to compare and contrast it with NepDra, and it will give me something I can actually use in co-op.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 01, 2016, 12:03:28 PM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/704628781986684929

Awoken Apollo. Nice art, but ultimately boring:

AS - Double Attack Stance Light + 2 turns light skyfall boost
LS - Light Att. all stats x1.5, ATK x2.5 when matching Light and Green combo
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 01, 2016, 12:46:59 PM
>whip up one more roll by beating hrungnir legend with broken event 4* team
>dupe Gadius


Meh....?

I had 30+ stones for 10x and I blew them on dupes

This is what I have become
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 01, 2016, 01:29:46 PM
Looks like I got a Fenrir.

Interesting.

Zaerogoo/Castor/Fenrir/Persephone/Yomidora/Zaerogoo might be my first no-Byakko version of the team. Scary scary.

Does his jammer drop rate apply at the same time as Zaerogoo's?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 01, 2016, 01:45:10 PM
Does his jammer drop rate apply at the same time as Zaerogoo's?

yes
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Dorakyura on March 01, 2016, 02:10:29 PM
I think I might start working on a Pandora team since all my other pad friends use her and according to pad lists she's pretty much the #1 jp waifu right now

Finished my Hypermaxed Pandora today  :o
She's gonna become super ult. Gonna make my other Pandora into Awoken Form, not gonna lose the skillups on her :V
If you need Pandora up, try to message me ahead of time  :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 01, 2016, 02:13:59 PM
Dang, they're trying to rez light healers pretty hard, huh?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2016, 02:22:35 PM
It's been a while, but I think after this event wraps up I'm going to have to skill up Raphael the old fashioned way. Hopefully the RNG isn't too mean.

Dang, they're trying to rez light healers pretty hard, huh?

Does anyone have healers right now? Blue healers doesn't seem to be a thing anymore, white healers hasn't been that much of a thing in quite a while if ever, and as far as I know nobody else has healers.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 01, 2016, 02:41:06 PM
>whip up one more roll by beating hrungnir legend with broken event 4* team
>dupe Gadius


Meh....?

I had 30+ stones for 10x and I blew them on dupes

This is what I have become
same :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Dorakyura on March 01, 2016, 02:42:10 PM
It's been a while, but I think after this event wraps up I'm going to have to skill up Raphael the old fashioned way. Hopefully the RNG isn't too mean.

Does anyone have healers right now? Blue healers doesn't seem to be a thing anymore, white healers hasn't been that much of a thing in quite a while if ever, and as far as I know nobody else has healers.

Awoken Astaroth is *kind of* green Healer :3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2016, 02:49:32 PM
same :colonveeplusalpha:

Me too technically, although I only did two pulls and I'm keeping them both. The more I think about two Australis the more I like it despite the obvious shortcomings. The idea of just slapping them onto any team to turn it into green rows is a fun gimmick.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 01, 2016, 03:05:04 PM
...... someone please insert some angry comment about RNG here...... i just rolled in the GF......

The ONE event with 4x rates, all the Dark GFE i miss featured in the same day and during Midnight Gala.
It's literally the best possible GF ever for me.... it's just become the most DISAPPOINTING of all.

I had really high hopes for this, but i would have been ok with just an Hanzo, an Hades, heck a flipping Vector Finn......
90 stones and my "best" rolls were a third Pandora and Creuse.....   :X
I didn't even get good MP since i got 5 silvers and only 1 gfe (oh hello 4th Sumire, could you kindly F*** OFF since i want Satsuki?!!?!)

I don't even know if i should KEEP this Pandora... is there a team that should use 3 Pandoras (Juggler doesn't count since jp-only)?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2016, 03:09:31 PM
Isn't Sumire supposed to be amazing in multiples?

And I wouldn't think three Pandoras would be necessary. Two seems like it would be plenty, right?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 01, 2016, 03:21:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/tuYumms.png)
Making progress.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 01, 2016, 03:26:17 PM
Isn't Sumire supposed to be amazing in multiples?

IF you have a water team to use them.... I obliterated my fire and water box to buy Yomidra, i have zero interest in cards that aren't Dark
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 01, 2016, 03:33:19 PM
Putting all your eggs in one basket is a dangerous thing in this game...hopefully you have better luck in the future.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 01, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
I read the above statement as:

Putting all your eggs in one bastet

Need coffee.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 01, 2016, 03:50:39 PM
I know this might come back to bite me in the ass in the future, but since deciding to focus on a single color i feel way more "free" when playing the game.

No more trying to farm different dungeons at the same time because they have skillups for different colors, no more calculating how much stamina to use on xxx before yyyy.....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2016, 04:02:15 PM
You pretty much have to expect most REM pulls are going to be trash for you at this point, don't you? If you're just throwing away 80% of your pulls sight unseen I'm not sure what expectations are reasonable, but they would have to be low.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 01, 2016, 04:06:10 PM
I read the above statement as:

Need coffee.
LEWD
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 01, 2016, 04:09:31 PM
That is why i only roll during Midnight Gala or PCGF.... need to maximize my chances.
That is also why i would have been ok with something like Vector Finn or Hanzo, forget Eschamali, DKali and the likes.

I'm just pissed off that the ONE time all the planets of the solar system were aligned (midnight gala + 4x + all the gfe i miss in the same day) it's exactly when i get my WORST rolls ever....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2016, 04:15:23 PM
LEWD

Not as lewd as putting all your eggs in two Bastets.

:V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Aoshi-shi on March 01, 2016, 04:21:15 PM
Got another Anubis.

Do I need two? :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 01, 2016, 05:03:21 PM
No cause he's supposed to be the ONE true god
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 01, 2016, 05:10:26 PM
Got another Anubis.

Do I need two? :V

I actually wanted another so I can have awoken and d/l

Instead I yolod another urd. Pad is trying to get me to play cookie clicker
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 01, 2016, 05:12:26 PM
I actually wanted another so I can have awoken and d/l

Instead I yolod another urd. Pad is trying to get me to play cookie clicker

Any reason to want D/L over D/D? For the Attacker sub-type? As far as awakening goes i think D/D got the better upgrade.... (mainly because i can't see myself ever using him in coop)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 01, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
DL is still viable becuase 8 combos is way easier to do than 9. Most boards have a max of 8 combos so 9 combo often needs a lot of luck
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 01, 2016, 05:52:17 PM
Man
Even though I obliterated most of my GFEs, silvers, dupes, and Sarasvati, I couldn't annihilate an entire color from my box.

How do people play Fenrir? Or will I need three more copies of him to be viable?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 01, 2016, 05:55:02 PM
I assumed he was talking about Anubis as a sub.... as Leader, yes D/L is "easier" (Anubis and easier in the same sentence?  :derp:)

Btw, I decided to rack up the stones from coin dungeons for one more roll.....

DARK KALI

MY GF HAS BEEN SAVED!  :toot:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 01, 2016, 06:00:29 PM
Any reason to want D/L over D/D? For the Attacker sub-type? As far as awakening goes i think D/D got the better upgrade.... (mainly because i can't see myself ever using him in coop)

Awoken in 7x6 and sub

Dl for lead
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 01, 2016, 06:04:34 PM
"Is anyone still using healers ?"
*Looks at box*
Well, 1,2,3, Wukong' new UEvo is also a healer, so 4, Kali also turns into a Healer,5, add Snow White and the Amaterasu Helpers, i guess i use healers. :V
DARK KALI :toot:
Two sides from the same coin u.u (LKali still best Kali *-*). :toot:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2016, 06:08:28 PM
I use a ton of healers, technically, but the fact that they're healers doesn't matter that much. It's not a case of "nobody uses any cards with healer typing" and more a case of "healer-based teams are not very common".

The main one right now seems to be Amaterasu. I know a lot of people love her, but I'm not convinced she's that good of a lead.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 01, 2016, 06:44:13 PM
3 rolls:

> Dupe Grape Dragon
> Dupe Ra
> Dupe Unicorn Rider

Sell all the things.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 01, 2016, 07:10:33 PM
What are your criteria for a good lead?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2016, 07:26:06 PM
What are your criteria for a good lead?

I feel like we've had this conversation before, but maybe not. Or maybe things have changed since last time.

Pretty much just "has effective synergy" which I'm not convinced Amaterasu does. Her unique selling point is that she has a ton of auto-recovery, but because of the way her leader skilll works she requires you to already be playing a team with high recovery. That means you re going to be either wasting her healing from her leader skill or wasting your natural recovery, or sometimes both. And her active compounds that by piling on even more healing, and a bind cler for a team that already has bind-immune leaders and probably a ton of heart rows. It just seems like bad math to me. She just inundates you with one resource, and it's not a resource that helps you win the game.

Now granted I'm thinking of her purely in terms of dual Amaterasus and I don't actually know that that's how she's used. Does she typically pair with something other than a second Amaterasu?

If I'm wrong about any of this please let me know. I haven't ever really used her (I don't own her) so maybe I'm overlooking something major.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 01, 2016, 07:39:19 PM
as someone who owns Awoken Amaterasu, but does not have her hypermax
and LZL, who is hypermax

LZL and Ammy make a nice pair, bringing the damage range from 9-16 to 7.25-20

His second dong helps, too, since Ammy is lacking in ATK as well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 01, 2016, 07:52:09 PM
Down an unknown road, to embrace my fate,
Though that road may wander, it will lead me to you.
And a thousand years would be worth the wait,
It might take a lifetime but somehow I'll see it through...

(http://i.imgur.com/Igfea1n.png)

And I won't look back, I can go the distance.
And I'll stay on track, no, I won't accept defeat!
It's an uphill slope, but I won't lose hope...

(http://i.imgur.com/C7TwSUg.png)

'Til I go the distance, and my journey is complete!

(http://i.imgur.com/vJjM9jz.png) (http://i.imgur.com/gKGGbus.png) (http://i.imgur.com/OwedT5O.png) (http://i.imgur.com/TjfEBmL.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2016, 07:54:18 PM
[evangelion]Congratulations![/evangelion]
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 01, 2016, 07:55:23 PM
As far as i've seen, dual Ammy plays like a "reverse" of the old Lucifer tank team.

While Luci tanked hits with his huge HP pool and healed back, Ammy simply is literally invincible unless the boss hits for more than the team's HP, since she autoheal to full every turn.

While Luci got near the rage points and unleashed gravity+nukes, Ammy get near and then burst them down with Light rows (A.Venus and DQ are core members)


EDIT: SUPER CONGRATS CHIREI! Now we wait for your little floral pixie to do the same.....  ;)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2016, 08:01:27 PM
Yeah I think I understand how it's supposed to work, that just sounds kind of weak to me. I don't know, how much HP does that kind of team have?

I guess Raphael probably helps a ton though. He has decent HP, makes up for Amaterasu's lack of rows, and shields her shitty HP in emergencies. His heart board is totally wasted on her, but it's the least of his powers.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 01, 2016, 08:09:18 PM
Everytime someone talks about Raphael i think that it's me, even though my name is spelled with an f.
And Ammy's HP isn't that shitty, also it there a light card with poison ? It would be fun to poison  a boss and slowly wait until he dies .
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2016, 08:14:24 PM
There's no way for an Amaterasu team to have good stats overall. It's akready wastibg so much weighted statage on useless RCV that you'd need all Physical/Healers to have good HP, and at that point you'll have horrible attack. Not to mention that you need to fit rows (apparently), orbchanges, and probably a damahe enhance in there.

If your goal is to grind things out with poison, which already isn't very viable because so many bosses are immune to status, you may as well just lead with Raphael and be guaranteed good HP.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 01, 2016, 09:10:18 PM
I see what you mean, i dunno, there are tons of cards out there, so someone might be able to make a healer team with some work.

And it almost seemed like you had a thing against healers for while to me. But you love Gabriel so...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 01, 2016, 09:10:48 PM
I asked what your requirements were because I didn't have any metric.  I didn't know if it was beating Arena or Challenge dungeons or what.

I remember asking you why you didn't like Ammy before, now that you mention it.  I didn't get to reply to that then, so I will now.

This is my current general purpose team.   I can get 80 more HP on Da Qiao, assuming I don't use HP latents (I do have 5 on Ammy cause that has mattered in the past)
(http://i.imgur.com/m6s6aKql.png) (http://imgur.com/m6s6aKq)

You're right that most of the time you'll be sitting at 9x with a full heal.  That's where Ammy's active comes in, allowing you to swap from the 9x + Heal leader skill to the 16x one.
Ammy is similar to Hero gods in that you will often need to manage your Light orbs.
None of the monsters besides Ammy are bind immune.
I have a mix of rows and prongs, but no double prongs.  Rose's +Light orbs actually help quite a bit here, which is why I use her over Mini Rose most of the time.
I can usually spike twice for 6 million apiece, or activate everything for 15 million.  (Assuming I don't bungle the combo)
As others have said, if an enemy can't kill you in one hit it can't kill you at all. 
You can always throw away your heart orbs for more Light damage, assuming Rose is up.

My team could be improved with tactical use of Raph, Sandy, and Eliza, but all of those take a lot of time investment and I haven't been able to grind that much.  I have a hard time maxing a single monster during 10x Descends.

I can always beat up to Challenge 7 and some Challenge 10s.  I have a harder time with 8 & 9 than 10.  I almost never stone on Challenges.

Chirei convinced me to invest in Leilan, and my Pandoras suddenly are a lot more vesitile, so I will be diversifying, but this group has gotten me through a lot.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2016, 09:37:42 PM
If I'm putting a specific metric on what passes as "good" I guess I'd say "most Legend Plus content".  But if you can no-stone Challenge 10s with it I'd say that's pretty impressive. Which ones, just out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 01, 2016, 09:50:57 PM
I still have to customize the team per challenge, but 7-10 and the ones like it I can beat.  (Basically no Beelzebub and no Number Dragons)

http://puzzledragonx.com/en/mission.asp?m=1175 (http://puzzledragonx.com/en/mission.asp?m=1175)

Until I got Raph, I had to swap an Ammy for LMeta and bring Sandy's shield to get past Hera.  I can't remember if I can survive a sea of poison, since you go to negative HP Ammy can't always heal out of it.

What I have most trouble with is the dragon boss rush dungeons where every enemy kills you on the 6th turn and they all have 5 million+ HP.  I'm wondering if I can bring both Mini Rose and Big Rose to hit hard enough, fast enough.  I really need to finish skilling Venus.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2016, 09:59:19 PM
Yeah, those are the Challenge 10s Gabriel can beat as well (at least consistently).

Not that that isn't enough because it is pretty solid, but how does she handle Scarlet or Linthia? I assume she has no trouble with the 5x4 descends.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 01, 2016, 10:11:12 PM
"Oh wow, I got a bunch of Raphael skillups in a row. Maybe this won't be too bad after all."

0/8 skillups.

Fuckmefuckmefuckmefuckmefuckme.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 01, 2016, 10:23:44 PM
aAma is acrually useful since she beats ra dra at kaguya latent farming :V

That's not something many teams can claim
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 01, 2016, 10:35:44 PM
Yeah, those are the Challenge 10s Gabriel can beat as well (at least consistently).

Not that that isn't enough because it is pretty solid, but how does she handle Scarlet or Linthia? I assume she has no trouble with the 5x4 descends.

I am terrible at the Level 1 dungeons, I've basically stopped doing them.  Scarlet in particular I get super mad about because I feel like I should be able to beat it, but I always forget I don't have all my stats.  Linthia I haven't even tried, I haven't been playing regularly lately and have wasted a lot of stamina in the process. 
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on March 01, 2016, 10:47:37 PM
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Beautiful. Just beautiful.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Dr Rawr on March 01, 2016, 10:53:41 PM
With a.ama I usually get to scarlet then just die. Could be possible if i max skill arcline but that's a pain in the dick
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 02, 2016, 02:47:37 AM
"Oh, hey, this place scared me a lot but let's try it anyway and see how I do just for kicks."  "Ok, Master was easy, but can I do Legend in one go too?" 

(http://i.imgur.com/oc1i1Bm.jpg)

"...oh.  I guess I can."
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 02, 2016, 05:56:49 AM
so i had enough stones for one more pull since apparently i have no desire to grind for plus eggs and my desire to whale is beyond nonexistent now

(http://i.imgur.com/7Ed8xm3.png)

well



so there's the one thing i've been whaling for ever since she came out

shame i can't hypermax her right now colonvee
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 02, 2016, 06:21:26 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/W57U6IR.jpg)

fuck the haters, urahara system OP for farming
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 02, 2016, 09:16:31 AM
All attribute required, 6x7 board?

Zaerogoo is my default for that, let's go in

> Mystic Curse
> Chomp

hmm
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 02, 2016, 09:25:40 AM
Oh look, another monster with a Kali-variant active.

This is getting... really boring!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 02, 2016, 09:26:04 AM
https://twitter.com/pad_sexy/status/704954282253094912

fucking hell gungho

this is not how you fix Fenrir...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 02, 2016, 09:53:24 AM
I was going to roll the REM, but the godfest is over. :(
Well, at least these One-shot challenges gave me a Tamadra.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 02, 2016, 09:53:36 AM
@Matsuri: On one hand, congrats! On the other hand, so jelly right now..... so, sooo jelly  :V

THEN I FOUND OUT WHAT THIS GUY ROLLED YESTERDAY AND MY JEALOUSY LEVEL BLASTED INTO LOW ORBIT....

http://puzzleanddragonsforum.com/attachments/img_4075-png.12810/
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 02, 2016, 10:25:33 AM
@Matsuri: On one hand, congrats! On the other hand, so jelly right now..... so, sooo jelly  :V

THEN I FOUND OUT WHAT THIS GUY ROLLED YESTERDAY AND MY JEALOUSY LEVEL BLASTED INTO LOW ORBIT....

http://puzzleanddragonsforum.com/attachments/img_4075-png.12810/

I would never be jealous of anyone dumb enough to whale on a 20box account lol
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 02, 2016, 10:51:43 AM
I would never be jealous of anyone dumb enough to whale on a 20box account lol

"Reroll last godfest and got very lucky with my rolls. I have 300k mp should I buy a 2nd yomi dragon or save for latents? Dont plan to iap so won't be farming arena in any time near future. Thanks!"

apparently it's non-IAP
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 02, 2016, 11:35:52 AM
It was only a matter of time before gungho said fuck it and just threw a stupid multiplier on jammers

Also hi awoken hermes you sure look like a good Isis sub too bad you're like only a whole year late
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 02, 2016, 03:11:49 PM
Is there any reason anymore to use Beach Pandora? Back before her awoken and uult selves came out she was a lot more flexible to use with her leader skill activating on water orbs, as well as having tpas. Awoken totally outclasses that what with being truckier and hitting like one too, and the uult has better awakenings as a sub.
I hope she gets the christmas!Sakuya treatment and gets an ult or something.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 02, 2016, 03:32:10 PM
I use her as a sub on a panda until I can get my other one hyper.

Also boom.  Sandy needs skill ups badly, but with the new boys I will be able to hit that 25k HP threshold.

(http://imgur.com/vpOpVcCl.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 02, 2016, 03:37:51 PM
Is there any reason anymore to use Beach Pandora? Back before her awoken and uult selves came out she was a lot more flexible to use with her leader skill activating on water orbs, as well as having tpas. Awoken totally outclasses that what with being truckier and hitting like one too, and the uult has better awakenings as a sub.
I hope she gets the christmas!Sakuya treatment and gets an ult or something.

Two TPA is a pretty big advantage over Awoken and UUEvo Pandora for any team that makes regular use of TPA.

The clear solution is to just use all three.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 02, 2016, 04:31:48 PM
So, since Fenrir rocks a x1200 max multiplier against gods. Does that mean Fenrir is the new

One True Dog

:c
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 02, 2016, 04:35:44 PM
Sopdet tho
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2016, 04:38:52 PM
Beach Panda is a solid foundation of Rainbow Pandora team.

Rainbow Pandora sounds like a Meiling spellcard.

Light Sign "Rainbow Pandora Beam" or some shit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 02, 2016, 04:47:09 PM
Beach Panda is a solid foundation of Rainbow Pandora team

Awoken Pandora
UUEvo Pandora
Beach Pandora
Awoken Tsukuyomi
Awoken Loki
Awoken Pandora

Oh baby.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 02, 2016, 04:47:38 PM
I'd ship it.

I didn't realize dogs wasn't ending last night so I wasted a bunch of stones for a few extra days of efficiency :(

I am excited about the new dude healers, they will round out my team's active skill set nicely.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 02, 2016, 04:57:22 PM
Awoken Pandora
UUEvo Pandora
Beach Pandora
Awoken Tsukuyomi
Awoken Loki
Awoken Pandora

Oh baby.

Let me roll Beach Pandora and i'll have that team up and running in a few days, since i already have the others ready to go  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 02, 2016, 04:59:50 PM
First nine 1shots done. We need more Lakshmi challenges! That was fun.

Not doing the last one because meimei and Vishnu are complete bullshit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 02, 2016, 05:01:16 PM
Vishnu is delayable so it just comes down to damage control

Goemon isn't though so fuck him
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 02, 2016, 05:03:08 PM
Rainbow.... Pandora??? That has to be a joke that sounds so weird. Well I'd be like one regular Pandora away from that weirdo team.

I'd like to think that whenever Keine takes off her hat every night before she goes to bed she unleashes all the evils into the world.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 02, 2016, 05:05:58 PM
"Reroll last godfest and got very lucky with my rolls. I have 300k mp should I buy a 2nd yomi dragon or save for latents? Dont plan to iap so won't be farming arena in any time near future. Thanks!"

apparently it's non-IAP

How does one only be rank 200 and be able to roll that many times for 600k mp-

>JP

nvm ez mode
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 02, 2016, 05:10:18 PM
Why is JP easy mode ?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 02, 2016, 05:11:46 PM
Why is JP easy mode ?

*rush to take a bag of popcorn and enjoy the show*  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2016, 05:14:22 PM
I'm still doing the mental math on this Challenge 10, but I think Gabe/Reine/Snow White/NepDra/Orochi/Ryune can do it. Maybe. I'll have to do a lot of test runs to work out damage control, but it's certainly plausible. Whether I'll have the patience to actually do it is up for debate.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 02, 2016, 05:38:35 PM
I actually ran that Rainbow Pandora team through the simulator.....

- 12 dark rows
- 45k hp
- 100% skill bind resist
- every heart row clears NINE turns of bind, and you have FOUR heartmakers
- 8 fingers
- 9 skill boosts

and i think it could be improved since A.Yomi is pretty much overkill both in spike damage and time extents....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 02, 2016, 05:42:12 PM
Why is JP easy mode ?

On a serious note, JP has access to every card in the game since they're the main demographic, and seem to get free stones at roughly 4x-5x the rate we do, and free pys literally every other day. This allows them to be on top with the "flavor of the month" the game is always based around for new content much easier (there will always be the unlucky ones, i'm aware), and even has access to tools NA doesn't have, such as skillups from collabs or even the collab cards themselves. It's pretty laughable how they handle distribution for a billion dollar company, to be honest.

On a slightly unrelated note, JP had a week to do one-shot challenge 2 on 5min stamina, we only have four days on 3min stamina. Hope y'all like staying up...

EDIT: I'm also aware that the latest thing that JP had to use for OSC2 was Awoken Orochi, but what do they ultimately lose by not being able to do the whole thing?

Stones?
Pys?

You mean those things that get passed around over there like water??
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 02, 2016, 07:29:35 PM
What is Awoken Hermes? He looks like a some weird party pirate. I think it's his worst art.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2016, 07:36:28 PM
What is Awoken Hermes? He looks like a some weird party pirate. I think it's his worst art.

"Completely outclassing super Archangels already" is what he is. At least as a lead.

Not quite literally, but I'm kind of pissed how much better he is than them functionally.

Edit: Never mind, he's 2/4/1. I thought he was 2/2/2.

Scratch that and replace it with "He's Gabriel's new best friend is what he is".
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 02, 2016, 07:42:46 PM
"Completely outclassing super Archangels already" is what he is. At least as a lead.

Not quite literally, but I'm kind of pissed how much better he is than them functionally.

Edit: Never mind, he's 2/4/1. I thought he was 2/2/2.

Scratch that and replace it with "He's Gabriel's new best friend is what he is".

Well, they kinda do different things, and based off of Actives, Gabe is more versatile. Besides it's an UUevo vs. an Awoken Evo. Also, Hermes looks like crap and Gabby doesn't does that's an auto-win for Gabe.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 02, 2016, 07:43:48 PM
Scratch that and replace it with "He's Gabriel's new best friend is what he is".

I didn't realize you were into Yaoi.

I ship it now. Better than RoBu.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 02, 2016, 08:17:38 PM
Finally managed to awaken Pandora into Awoken since this past week was like "hey get your A. Pandas now" week. After a couple more levels, dumping the badpys I never used, and tamadras from this week, I'll see what the fuss is all about.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2016, 08:38:46 PM
I didn't realize you were into Yaoi.

I ship it now. Better than RoBu.

If we can cherry pick the best Hermes art then I'm in. Better than Gabe x Ryune, better than Gabe x Black Rock Shooter Sisters, better than Gabe x Blodin...

Maybe not quite as good as Gabe x Gabe though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 02, 2016, 08:53:08 PM
Yaoi.
Seems more like hot husbando on husbando selfcest action
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 02, 2016, 11:36:18 PM
"ok challenge 7 is 7x6, time to bust out Kirin..... oh hell no, frickin' Sopdet! Better go with Yomidra"
"what the hell?! not a single Yomidra up? not even from random suggestions?!?"
".....you know, screw this. There IS something i can run either way, and it's a LOOONG time overdue....."

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-03-02-18-22-34_zpslo0itt9a.png)

Hey Beyzul, how are those 3.5M HP going for you, when i can burst your ass with a 12.5x and 15 Dark Rows?

A.Pandora first victims, too stronk  8)

ALL NORMALS CHALLENGE MODE CLEARED  :toot:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 02, 2016, 11:40:02 PM
Don't bully Beyzul. Gungho does it enough without your help. :colbert:

It's okay to beat him up, just don't rub it in his face.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 03, 2016, 01:40:11 AM

EDIT: I'm also aware that the latest thing that JP had to use for OSC2 was Awoken Orochi, but what do they ultimately lose by not being able to do the whole thing?

its just really laughable how NA has caught up to JP in pretty much everything except actual dungeon content

I mean NA got Predra Infestation before Star Thieves Den (guaranteed 5 pluses per run) when in JP it was the other way around... smh

That said, speaking of JP easy mode:

(http://i.imgur.com/B9qsK3Y.jpg)

Armor break + haste to power Urahara system for farming Kanetsugu plus marathon. Dank shit m8
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 03, 2016, 05:13:32 AM
So like a farmable Radra? Who's currently like the most op leader in the game? Raising the roof raising the roof
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 03, 2016, 06:39:05 AM
AWOKEN HERMES mats:

Indigo + Awoken Hephaestus + 2x Water Jewel + 1x Fire Jewel

AWOKEN APOLLO mats:

Awoken Sandalphon + Awoken Jord + 2x Light Jewel + 1x Wood Jewel
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 03, 2016, 07:50:46 AM
So like a farmable Radra? Who's currently like the most op leader in the game? Raising the roof raising the roof

'farmable' in the same sense as ra dra from what i've heard. Namely, he's Padr exclusive so you likely need to spend a lot of resources to get him.

He's also got shitty awakenings, and his active looks like it'll be pretty suspect. He'll make a great compliment, so you don't end up like the anniversary stream player and eat death on the second floor when the game gives you the middle finger :v

He'll be great if you have a radra team and don't want to spend 300k mp or don't have 300k mp too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 03, 2016, 08:29:44 AM
He's also got shitty awakenings, and his active looks like it'll be pretty suspect. He'll make a great compliment, so you don't end up like the anniversary stream player and eat death on the second floor when the game gives you the middle finger :v
Oh that's a little better but...
This philosophy of 'let's make mons with really overpowered multipliers, but make them really suck otherwise' seems a little misguided.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Dorakyura on March 03, 2016, 12:39:23 PM
I actually ran that Rainbow Pandora team through the simulator.....

- 12 dark rows
- 45k hp
- 100% skill bind resist
- every heart row clears NINE turns of bind, and you have FOUR heartmakers
- 8 fingers
- 9 skill boosts

and i think it could be improved since A.Yomi is pretty much overkill both in spike damage and time extents....

How did the team look like?

Awoken Pandora / Claire / Persephone / Ult Zuoh / ??? / Awoken Pandora would be a team I would look forward to.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 03, 2016, 01:59:26 PM
Haha, no it was the "Rainbow Pandora" team suggested by Edible, as in "every verson of Pandora".

A. Panda / Beach Panda / Uuevo Panda / A. Loki / A. Yomi / A. Panda
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 03, 2016, 02:04:37 PM
I don't want to admit how many times I died on Challlenge 6. Mostly it was because I just wasn't paying attention, but partly it was because Ra doesn't deal with two Resolve users in a row very well, especially on 7x6. Had to finally just use Rainbow Gabriel to get the clear, which obviously I should have done the first time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 03, 2016, 02:41:37 PM
Yep. I got my stone's worth from making Urahara system team. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kFm7J6Peq4)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 03, 2016, 03:13:51 PM
I beat Lakshmi only to get orbtrolled on hino

Although I guess to be fair I should have stalled more on neptune
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 03, 2016, 03:57:48 PM
I didn't get orbtrolled on Hino, RNGstard was precise as a surgeon in my first attempt...

4 turns of delay on Echidna
on the last turn skyfall enough combos to make Anubis blush --> bye bye skills against Zeus
first turn against Zeus, barely managed to make 7 combo
ZERO skyfalls --> Zeus survive and bind half of the team --> Game Over
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 03, 2016, 05:03:24 PM
Here's a weird trick for Challenge 8 if anyone cares. If you leave any of Indigo's locked jammer orbs from her preemptive laying around you fight super easy mode Scarlet who just spams Rose Burst forever trying to get rid of it (at least until she gets to lower health). If you've got the recovery to counter the Rose Burst damage she can't do much.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 03, 2016, 05:43:10 PM
A commander discovered this weird trick in Challenge 8, broad minded demons hate him!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 03, 2016, 06:00:53 PM
Here's a weird trick for Challenge 8 if anyone cares. If you leave any of Indigo's locked jammer orbs from her preemptive laying around you fight super easy mode Scarlet who just spams Rose Burst forever trying to get rid of it (at least until she gets to lower health). If you've got the recovery to counter the Rose Burst damage she can't do much.

Shit. I would never have thought of that. She just uses it over her fullboard fr/dk/pois attack?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 03, 2016, 06:02:17 PM
..... two 81x activations weren't enough to kill Neptune in OSC 9, survived with what was probably ONE PIXEL of life.
And of course both activations got zero skyfalls in a 7x6.....

You know game, you really should learn when to stop being an asshole. You can now take those last 2 pys and stones and shove them when the sun don't shine.
I have better ways to use my stamina and brain power.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 03, 2016, 06:35:46 PM
Shit. I would never have thought of that. She just uses it over her fullboard fr/dk/pois attack?

I don't know. I would have experimented more but I dropped the Bubpy I really wanted and didn't want to risk losing it. All I know for sure is that she keeps using Rose Burst over 50% health. Under 50% her priorities may shift. If anyone hasn't done that floor yet and wants to look into it further I'd be interested to hear what happens.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 03, 2016, 10:12:39 PM
Finding little loopholes is fun right ?

BTW, it keeps saying this website is unsafe, and it's troubling me, any fixes ? (Something about expired security stuff)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 03, 2016, 10:26:16 PM
Finding little loopholes is fun right ?

BTW, it keeps saying this website is unsafe, and it's troubling me, any fixes ? (Something about expired security stuff)

Probably just an expired certificate, happens about once an year, nothing to be extremely alarmed about (although keep your deathbombs at the ready, as the news from last year would say.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 04, 2016, 11:37:53 AM
Arena 2 is coming oh boy >_>

Never even had a chance to farm arena 1 because WE NEVER EVEN GOT TO DARK LATENTS
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 04, 2016, 12:34:49 PM
Arena 2 is coming oh boy >_>

Never even had a chance to farm arena 1 because WE NEVER EVEN GOT TO DARK LATENTS

Well. You did get Predra Infestation.

:persona:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 04, 2016, 02:19:32 PM
Wow, PAD has been pretty generous with the Pii drops so far. I got the Bubpy I wanted on floors 8 and 9, so Orochi is now hypermax.

That means I have no choice but to try to do floor ten now. I can't figure out how I would go about doing it with NepDra since I don't have room for a shield and a delay, but I would rather do it with Gabe anyway.

It fucking sucks that Gungho decided to put BOTH unfairly bulky green endgame bosses in this dungeon (blue for worst color 2016 :V) since that forces me to bring both Orochi and NepDra, and two flex subs at once is pretty sketchy. I assume I'll no longer have the damage to kill Vishnu without any damage enhances at all, but I will have a lot of turns of delay, a lot of haste, and a 7x6 board going for me so it's worth a shot.

Edit:  Yup, my minimum single 7x6 burst damage with two rows, Beyzul, and no damage enhance is 2441240, which is to say enough to kill Meimei IF SHE WASN'T GREEN. I would even still barely ki her if we assume I would get the 30% damage reduction instead with the help of my other heavy hitters. And given that I'll be doing considerably less than that in practice because I won't be able to bring Beyzul (although I will have quite a few more rows) this is looking pretty impossible so far.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 04, 2016, 02:53:25 PM
Wow, PAD has been pretty generous with the Pii drops so far. I got the Bubpy I wanted on floors 8 and 9, so Orochi is now hypermax.

That means I have no choice but to try to do floor ten now. I can't figure out how I would go about doing it with NepDra since I don't have room for a shield and a delay, but I would rather do it with Gabe anyway.

It fucking sucks that Gungho decided to put BOTH unfairly bulky green endgame bosses in this dungeon (blue for worst color 2016 :V) since that forces me to bring both Orochi and NepDra, and two flex subs at once is pretty sketchy. I assume I'll no longer have the damage to kill Vishnu without any damage enhances at all, but I will have a lot of turns of delay, a lot of haste, and a 7x6 board going for me so it's worth a shot.

Edit:  Yup, my minimum single 7x6 burst damage with two rows, Beyzul, and no damage enhance is 2441240, which is to say enough to kill Meimei IF SHE WASN'T GREEN. I would even still barely ki her if we assume I would get the 30% damage reduction instead with the help of my other heavy hitters. And given that I'll be doing considerably less than that in practice because I won't be able to bring Beyzul (although I will have quite a few more rows) this is looking pretty impossible so far.

People have been killing Vishnu with Blue teams, but it's mostly stuff like I&I or Blonia teams, though you have mentioned actually healing him before so it might be doable?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 04, 2016, 02:58:34 PM
Well. You did get Predra Infestation.

:persona:
no

no I didn't

:personapersonapersonaperonsaaaaaaaa:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 04, 2016, 03:13:12 PM
People have been killing Vishnu with Blue teams, but it's mostly stuff like I&I or Blonia teams, though you have mentioned actually healing him before so it might be doable?

Last time I had Sun Quan for a damage enhamce and that wasn't enough turns to kill him. Orochi seems like my best chance since he lets me fully burst twice, but then my damage will be much too low.

My best bet at this point may be trying Gabriel/NepDra leads. I don't do that very often because the HP is way too low, but it's the only thing I can think of that seems viable.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 04, 2016, 03:56:21 PM
I'm just pretending Challenge 10 doesn't exist so I can feel accomplished with my 9 stones.

(http://imgur.com/9cyFlGi.jpg)

Also nobody uses Kaede. It's depressing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 04, 2016, 04:09:42 PM
I ALMOST beat Challenge 10 last night. Got Vishnu down to about 25% health... and then got 7x6 screwed into a 9 combo that did over a million damage to him :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 04, 2016, 04:34:33 PM
FF:  Poke me sometime and I'll put mine up re: Kaede.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 04, 2016, 04:36:22 PM
Christ, damage control with NepDra in 7x6 is a nightmare. This is definitely mathematically possible, but I have no idea how likely it is.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 04, 2016, 05:37:57 PM
I'm just pretending Challenge 10 doesn't exist so I can feel accomplished with my 9 stones.

(http://imgur.com/9cyFlGi.jpg)

Also nobody uses Kaede. It's depressing.

Currently trying to skill her up. Just need one more.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 04, 2016, 07:08:25 PM
I`m planning to try a Athena Descended to get her sometime, what will i need to survive/burst through the dungeons, since i use a Light Team ?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 04, 2016, 07:10:44 PM
"Huhu, welcome."

Don't fucking welcome me, Meims. I'm mad at you right now.

Here I am sitting at a full health Vishnu wondering how the fuck I thought I was going to pull this off. Hmm.

Also note to self, dust off that Awoken Meimei team I made but have never used even once.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 04, 2016, 07:25:03 PM
I`m planning to try a Athena Descended to get her sometime, what will i need to survive/burst through the dungeons, since i use a Light Team ?
Who do you use specifically?
The dungeon actually gives you a lot of time, floor one gives you 3 free turns and floor three gives you at least 3 as well, potentially more as long as you don't hurt him. Each floor even goes to the trouble of healing you back all the way so you don't have to worry about low health between floors. The problems are then floor two and Athena herself. Floor two is one of those high defense mons. If you can't hit for over 600000, then you'll just have to heal back in between hits. Athena provides light orbs for you and even a free turn if you hit her below 15% health.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 04, 2016, 08:06:03 PM
I was trying to stall my NepDra skill back up against Vishnu banking on my six green resist latents to help me survive a worst-case scenario combination of attacks, but I died by like 100 damage. Pretty sure this is virtually impossible with Gabriel/NepDra after all. If I had a few more HP latents I could do it, but I don't. I fold, Gabriel can't do endgame content right now because all endgame content is green. Fuck me I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 04, 2016, 08:21:44 PM
Just because, finally decided to work on evolving my Haku.  First evo done, just gotta level and evo the Descend bosses and I'll be good. 

I guess I should evo the mats for FALuci, too, since I have him.  I have a rudimentary team fpr him if I actually care someday, so maybe...

Still blue-focused though so who knows how long it'll take to finish working on that, but oh well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 04, 2016, 08:28:33 PM
If/when you'll have those dark teams ready let me know if you need a specific leader to partner up with  ;)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 04, 2016, 09:03:11 PM
 PADherder link, i use all the Light Card except Medjedra, Kali and the EXP ones. (https://www.padherder.com/user/Starlighthawk/monsters/#31,0,31,8191,268435455,0,,0,0,0,eq,0,0,0,0,;default,0)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 04, 2016, 10:09:29 PM
Quote from: mei
"Huhu, welcome."

Quote from: Magneto
"TO DIE"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 04, 2016, 10:19:42 PM
Wait, there`s no Light Norn ? GungHo why ? Why do you love Dark and Devil more ?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 04, 2016, 10:34:39 PM
You're new, so it's understandable you wouldnt know. Devils are definitely favored, and the Dark bias is INCREDIBLY REAL.  Just gotta get used to it.

I dont recall there being a dark Norn though, and technically there is another wood one in LS once we get Shinra Bansho collab again, namely Saiga Another.  (Though his AS is not Norn like.  His nornlike board is held by Sylvie, a standard 6* GFE.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 04, 2016, 11:58:16 PM
Balanced/Physical/Attacker/Healer are indicative of archetypes, but Devils (and to a lesser extent, Dragons and Machine) are more of the same trait as "God" typing.

How often do we see single-typed Descends of the B/P/A/H variety? Guan Yinping and Zheng Fei are the only ones I can think of that aren't God/Devil/Dragon in the mix somewhere.

Usually, if it isn't a God, it ends up being a Devil. Raoh's leader skill could have been "Attackers and Gods" and his sub pool would probably be equal in quantity (maybe not quality) because of R/L Ares, Constellation gods, pre-super Yamato Takeru, Uriel. He would lose Scarlet (RIP), Chiyome, Minerva, and Ronia but he gets about the same back.

They're on par with each other, Gods and Devils, IMO. The only point of contest is probably Dark Devils being more in quantity and quality than Dark Gods, but you still have D/G Persephone, Awoken Byakko, Dizzy, Super Pandora, Dark Metatron, DKali, Castor...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 05, 2016, 02:44:48 AM
Usually, if it isn't a God, it ends up being a Devil. Raoh's leader skill could have been "Attackers and Gods" and his sub pool would probably be equal in quantity (maybe not quality) because of R/L Ares, Constellation gods, pre-super Yamato Takeru, Uriel. He would lose Scarlet (RIP), Chiyome, Minerva, and Ronia but he gets about the same back.

...sadly, I almost want to say that pool change would make him better. Scarlet is about the only notable one there.

UUVO NINJAS GOD DAMN WHEN GUNGHO ;;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2016, 02:45:25 AM
wizards dont even have regular uevos yet
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 05, 2016, 02:51:11 AM
wizards dont even have regular uevos yet

they do

they're called cyber beasts
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 05, 2016, 03:11:59 AM
W o o o w rude bun.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 05, 2016, 04:47:19 AM
W o o o w rude bun.

well, he's right

also

fucking lol dumpstering Jormungandr with system team? GJ GungHo thanks for ez plus eggs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDW6xFl8tqE)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 05, 2016, 05:01:42 AM
I-I know, but still...Poor dunked wizards.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 05, 2016, 05:13:09 AM
PADherder link, i use all the Light Card except Medjedra, Kali and the EXP ones.
 (https://www.padherder.com/user/Starlighthawk/monsters/#31,0,31,8191,268435455,0,,0,0,0,eq,0,0,0,0,;default,0)
Given the sheer amount of time you have in that dungeon, it may very well be worth it to run a Kali team paired with a Ra dragon or A. Ra or A. Sakuya to burst through every floor. Try to save your Kali active for Athena for a big burst. You can even ohko floor two, though if you aren't sure you can try max skill that earth fighter defense break. Bring shields if you think you'll need it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Dr Rawr on March 05, 2016, 05:27:02 AM
well, he's right

also

fucking lol dumpstering Jormungandr with system team? GJ GungHo thanks for ez plus eggs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDW6xFl8tqE)
thats just disgusting
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 05, 2016, 07:12:54 AM
Oh noo no noo, I got impatient and fed a bunch of tamadras to my unevolved Haku because I remember hearing that awakening counts are preserved between evos, I evolve her and no awakenings nooo
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 05, 2016, 07:30:26 AM
Yeah I've had that happen. It seems like the game only starts counting once you have access to awakenings. If you don't have any at all it just forgets about the Tamadras. Kind of tricky.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 05, 2016, 07:40:37 AM
they do

they're called cyber beasts

Phact isn't attacker type like Leeza so definitely not for me :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 05, 2016, 08:44:56 AM
Phact isn't attacker type like Leeza so definitely not for me :V

Leeza is probably the most useful Wizard of the RGB ones
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 05, 2016, 07:35:38 PM
C10 downed with a jank ass team with 40% SBR

I really can't wait until skill inheritance so I can stop having to use EX Hydra/Siren for delay


time for arena i guess
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 05, 2016, 09:15:41 PM
tried to yolo the last non-arena challenge mode

(http://i.imgur.com/nE9bxTc.png) (http://i.imgur.com/xgpMX8I.png) (http://i.imgur.com/IufPnfK.png) (http://i.imgur.com/Mn76s4X.png)

it was a huge success
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 06, 2016, 12:43:06 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/OX4CCqO.jpg)
wow arena was way easier than i expected

why havent i been farming this earlier

oh right cause no dark latents -_-
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 06, 2016, 01:15:57 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/OX4CCqO.jpg)
wow arena was way easier than i expected

why havent i been farming this earlier

oh right cause no dark latents -_-

you were expecting it to be hard with ra dragon?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 06, 2016, 01:29:17 AM
i was expecting it to be harder with no indra or latents :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 06, 2016, 01:31:35 AM
You underestimate a god-tier team for a god-tier lead, then.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 06, 2016, 01:36:35 AM
PreDra Infestation is back tomorrow, and this time it's right in the middle of the screening of The Boy And The Beast I JUST bought tickets for. Fuck me. At least it looks like it's weekly?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 06, 2016, 01:51:44 AM
i was expecting it to be harder with no indra or latents :derp:

the main point of those is a full back when you fail to knock kalers into non-kill range iirc

so tbh all you needed to do was not fuck up :v

admittedly i don't think anyone -actually- admonishes you for not throwing 99 stam in blindly though
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 06, 2016, 02:20:38 AM
i was expecting it to be harder with no indra or latents :derp:

That's only for tanking things you shouldn't be tanking like kali high health hit or parvati rage, I basically beat it with no latents.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 06, 2016, 02:26:36 AM
let me correct myself

i was expecting 100% dq hera spawns :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 06, 2016, 03:33:05 AM
let me correct myself

i was expecting 100% dq hera spawns :derp:

also a very fair point actually :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 06, 2016, 03:44:22 AM
im still afraid to actually farm it in case of repeated DQ punches to the face

its great how they put it at the very end after you do all that work getting there
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 06, 2016, 05:05:51 PM
fffff Scarlet Mythical is way harder than arena wtf

well part of the issue is i cant use a normal team <i'm forced to stick a shitty lilith in there for predras because I never rolled Ra...

I really need skill inheritance but unfortunately this dungeon becomes coop only before then >_____>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 06, 2016, 05:56:07 PM
Did skill delay resist latents ever drop in price in JP?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 06, 2016, 06:05:12 PM
I think they get affected by the 50% off sales

our you can farm them from mech hera Kappa
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 06, 2016, 07:46:46 PM
I was just thinking about how I might make a room tomorrrow to co-op Mecha Hera. Probably NepDra. I haven't really looked at her so I don't know what can do her, but I assume any half-decent team can co-op anything.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 06, 2016, 08:02:05 PM
Just now i realised that Suikama`s avatar is Urd.
Also was browsing around and found this little piece  here. (http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=2280)
Nedless to say, the potential i really fucking high, but the amount of arrangement + RNG combined to get max power is immense IMO.
Has anyone here even got to 20x Chain Combo ?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 06, 2016, 08:17:45 PM
Just now i realised that Suikama`s avatar is Urd.
Also was browsing around and found this little piece  here. (http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=2280)
Nedless to say, the potential i really fucking high, but the amount of arrangement + RNG combined to get max power is immense IMO.
Has anyone here even got to 20x Chain Combo ?

Not outside of tri-color, I assure you.

If you're betting on a combo number that high, you literally might as well just use anubis, or for green, Bastet, who still hits more than respectably enough.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 06, 2016, 08:32:04 PM
Kushinada + Bastet was a very common combination for combo players in the past, as one (bastet) ensured that lower combo numbers still packed a punch, and Kushinada assured that your multiplier would keep growing pretty much forever.

Of course, nowadays that kind of combo is considered "outdated" (as anything that isn't god-tier is) and kushinada is mostly relegated to sub status.

Not outside of tri-color,

I have actually have 20 combos outside of tricolor once :V

Of course, it didn't matter because it was a killshot regardless, but still.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 06, 2016, 09:11:07 PM
I have actually have 20 combos outside of tricolor once :V

Let me rephrase then.

Nowhere outside of tri-color or some extremely odd circumstances.

edit: lakshmi's blind board -really- fucking hurts to look at

also i really love orbs slipping out of place at the last second

great boss, 10/10, don't use her again plea- you already did didn't you
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 06, 2016, 10:18:53 PM
great boss, 10/10, don't use her again plea- you already did didn't you
I don't remember which dungeon, but I do remember seeing a page on Skyozora that had Lakshmi in it again.

In addition to the skillbind, because the dungeon isn't natively Awoken Skills Invalid she does an awakening bind prior to it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 06, 2016, 10:44:20 PM
I don't remember which dungeon, but I do remember seeing a page on Skyozora that had Lakshmi in it again.

In addition to the skillbind, because the dungeon isn't natively Awoken Skills Invalid she does an awakening bind prior to it.

If i remember, it might luckily just be arena 2. In which case, she's probably slightly welcome in that hell hole.

Honestly i beat her my first try, she's just 'small accidents: the boss' and that really annoys me because losing doesn't feel like a matter of skill in the end
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 07, 2016, 12:41:13 AM
If i remember, it might luckily just be arena 2. In which case, she's probably slightly welcome in that hell hole.

It's arena 2, but she also fires a 6 turn awakening skillbind on top of everything else to start the fight.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 07, 2016, 01:04:26 AM
anti-awakening-bind-awakening when :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 07, 2016, 01:43:28 AM
Please no.  Im tired of them offerimg cop outs.  I know they arent required and need not affect me, but there is the whole greed aspect of it, as well as a part of me thinking some stuff should just have to be actually dealt with instead of being able to just ignore game mechanics.  (At the same time I do realize that if someone wants to they should be able to without stigma...it's a weird thing for me I guess)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 07, 2016, 02:04:32 AM
Please no.  Im tired of them offerimg cop outs.  I know they arent required and need not affect me, but there is the whole greed aspect of it, as well as a part of me thinking some stuff should just have to be actually dealt with instead of being able to just ignore game mechanics.  (At the same time I do realize that if someone wants to they should be able to without stigma...it's a weird thing for me I guess)

Yeah, I'm sort of with you. Bullshit uses of mechanics by Gungho are annoying, but to hear everyone talk about it every single minor speedbump is the worst thing ever.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 07, 2016, 02:09:15 AM
Null-Awakening has appeared
twice? Outside of Lakshmi in arena 2?

and obvs Wadatsumi, Kagoogs, and various challenge 9s but don't mind me being facetious

It's, uh, not very prevalent in normal play. There are certainly worse fates.

I would rather see preemptive Awoken binds if it means we don't have to see status immunity. More reasons to field Orochi and all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 07, 2016, 02:22:37 AM
Orochi is actually doing pretty well for himself tbh

His active counters a bunch of bs bosses like Vishnu and even predras, and his leader skill lets him cheese things like Lakshmi
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 07, 2016, 02:47:23 AM
I don't use mine all the time since I typically still prefer Sun Quan, but I'm still impressed by him. I don't think he lets me do anything I couldn't have done before but he does synergize with Awoken I&I a lot better than Sun Quan does and I find myself using them surprisingly often.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 07, 2016, 03:00:53 AM
Tonight's results off one full bar of 293 Stamina and 6 stones:

3 HP
3 ATK
3 RCV
4 TE
1 Auto

6 Fire Res.
2 Water Res.
5 Wood Res.
10 Light Res. (Holy fuuuuuuuuudge)
5 Dark Res.

~17,000 MP

EDIT: Next Descend Challenge for NA, and this one's a bit silly. It has twenty-five stages.

It costs a total of 1230 stamina to beat the whole thing... without dying.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 07, 2016, 03:10:23 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/P91wWyu.png)

I knew my +297 L/G Kirin would come in handy one day.

I did the stalling thing against a singular Py like in the old days against an isolated TAMADRA to use Orochi's active -twice-. Fun times ???

Also using You are Already Dead on a high-defense enemy like Meimei
Was the best feeling.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 07, 2016, 05:24:31 AM
I also spent 6 stones and got 2 dark resist and 8 time extend -____-

Oh the bright side in monster strike I decided to yolo Yamato takeru with my double Lucy's and ended up destroying him lmao
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 07, 2016, 05:42:44 AM
no gems, 150 stamina,

dark resist, atk, rcv

one more rcv and ultimate kiriko
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 07, 2016, 05:49:19 AM
150 stamina spent, zero stones.

One red resist, one dark resist, one finger. Finger goes to horus, resists go to lkali. Kali is now 1 green resist away from having rainbow resist and horus is 2 fingers away from being maxed out.

The fact that I can still fuck up combos when I have 7.15 seconds of orb movement is kind of insane.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 07, 2016, 06:13:36 AM
The fact that I can still fuck up combos when I have 7.15 seconds of orb movement is kind of insane.
I probably screwed up a lot less before I decided to slap A.Yomi on my team and stop thinking at all. Easy modo activated. Back in the good ol' days with only 1 TE where I stressed out for minutes retracing my route before committing to it.

I finally got a green resist la-tent, two actually, so now my kirin is rainbows and I can make another one... if I wanted to (?) Can't imagine any point there though. Now all my Kirin needs is skill ups and apparently mine is really picky because it ate like 10 jewels already and hasn't skilled up once yet.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 07, 2016, 06:19:06 AM
150 stamina spent, zero stones.

One red resist, one dark resist, one finger. Finger goes to horus, resists go to lkali. Kali is now 1 green resist away from having rainbow resist and horus is 2 fingers away from being maxed out.

The fact that I can still fuck up combos when I have 7.15 seconds of orb movement is kind of insane.

I still fuck up with Awoken Ra occasionally, and when I do there are two possible causes. One is an incredibly bad board with more than once color being scattered to all corners of the screen. This is not common at all. Two is user error, where I just pick a bad route, break one of my own matches on the way to making another match, and then don't bother to double check before I take my finger off the screen. This happens increasingly often the earlier in the morning I'm playing, and it's much more common than I wish it was.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 07, 2016, 06:54:59 AM
I knew my +297 L/G Kirin would come in handy one day.
Her name is Sakuya !!!!!! Why people still call here Kirin ugghhhh ........ okay sorry.

Have nothing to report, i managed to wake up for PreDras, but i was sent again to sleep by my mother. :( No latents for me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 07, 2016, 07:05:29 AM
Her name is Sakuya !!!!!! Why people still call here Kirin ugghhhh ........ okay sorry.

Hold overs from the old days, where for the most part people didn't have them and only knew them by their respective animals, obv :v

The rem used to be a merciless place, filled with despair and regret.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 07, 2016, 08:25:57 AM
Her name is Sakuya !!!!!! Why people still call here Kirin ugghhhh ........ okay sorry.

Because it's what she represent: Incarnation of Kirin, Sakuya

And because when i read Sakuya i expect flying knives, not wrecking balls disguised as Q-tips  :V

Btw GH, thanks for putting PreDra dungeon at 2 am...... i literally fell asleep waiting for it and completely skipped it  :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 07, 2016, 01:17:28 PM
http://pad.gungho.jp/member/collabo/160307_ff_series.html

Prepare for oh-hohohohoho.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 07, 2016, 01:23:54 PM
Grrrr I thought we were supposed to be getting unrestricted Tengu, but the one in this descend challenge isn't. Having a single floor unfinished is going to drive me fucking crazy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 07, 2016, 02:20:34 PM
I might just shove a 297 on a guan yinping and then feed her off later >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 07, 2016, 03:50:19 PM
I just managed to get over the waste of stamina and loss of PreDra dungeon last night and they put the Snow Globe behind TENGU?
Thanks a lot GH! Don't worry, it's not like i have to 99 truckloads of cards, among them YOMIDRA.... :X

On a related note, it's becoming something of an habit to clear a number dragon's technical that i had left behind when i miss an important dungeon..... Lifive's ass kicked  :)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 07, 2016, 05:58:16 PM
Grrrr I thought we were supposed to be getting unrestricted Tengu, but the one in this descend challenge isn't. Having a single floor unfinished is going to drive me fucking crazy.

I'm glad I kept Ace around.  He's turned out to be pretty damn good for this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 07, 2016, 06:24:59 PM
Oh yeah I have an Ace as wel-

I evolved him :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 07, 2016, 06:43:56 PM
Died in Valk's stage due to messing around, but that's fine. Cleared all up to her and also Indigo(who I akipped to for a rankup) with the exception, naturally, of Tengu.  Good stuff so far.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 07, 2016, 07:00:58 PM
http://pad.gungho.jp/member/collabo/160307_ff_series.html

Prepare for oh-hohohohoho.

I'm kind of sad Faris isn't in there, but Bartz is fine too.

Between him and Y'shtola I may actually spend a bit this time around.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 07, 2016, 07:16:51 PM
Just for the record, I can confirm that there are indeed Chinese invades in these.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 07, 2016, 08:09:03 PM
Hnnnng Y'shtola makes me want to spend. I'm sad that she isn't using her updated attire but fuck it. She's the only Scion with half a brain.

(I'm still only doing one roll because collab REMs are traps.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 07, 2016, 08:13:31 PM
hooooooooooly shit would roll for terra and y'shtola

also fuck them to hell for giving cloud and sephiroth ults but not yuna
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 07, 2016, 08:19:06 PM
Just for the record, I can confirm that there are indeed Chinese invades in these.

I read your comment while doing Zeus Mercury...... when i turned back to my phone my first thought was "Since when there is Karin in this dungeon?"  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 07, 2016, 09:32:31 PM
Gaaah this sucks. I forgot the precise team and strategy I had been using to farm Scarlet and now I have to figure it out all over again. I guess I have to start writing this shit down.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 07, 2016, 11:00:09 PM
I tried to go do Divine Queen

I had to wait 20 turns because GungTroll put a Neptune there.
I almost had a heart attack at Hades.
I got shit on at Hera, 20 mins of attriction wasted along with 40 stamina.

Fuck Hera Zeus, please.
Also, does anyone have a A. Ra or Neptune or Anything with poison/true damage ? Will need for next attempt.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 07, 2016, 11:41:36 PM
Yeah I have both (well, Neptune Dragon anwyay). Ra is always up, Neptune Dragon is often up and is available upon request.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 07, 2016, 11:45:32 PM
Gaaah this sucks. I forgot the precise team and strategy I had been using to farm Scarlet and now I have to figure it out all over again. I guess I have to start writing this shit down.
You know I distinctly remember you posting multiple times in the past about forgetting strats for dungeons, you need some post-it notes to stick to the back of that phone, lol.

@Starlight
What are you using now? Hades gives you like 5 whole turns to kill him, shouldn't be a problem with your light team.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 07, 2016, 11:53:42 PM
I'm glad I kept Ace around.  He's turned out to be pretty damn good for this sort of thing.

I'm partial to Gilgamesh personally.
(http://i.imgur.com/G5nbbcn.png)

We fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 07, 2016, 11:55:45 PM
You know I distinctly remember you posting multiple times in the past about forgetting strats for dungeons, you need some post-it notes to stick to the back of that phone, lol.

Yeah, it's my own damn fault. Stall teams have to use a lot of situational subs for late-game content and I'm not good at remembering what's needed where. And it gets especially weird for cases like Scarlet where having specific numbers of skillboosts is really important, but my number of skillboosts tends to change due to buffs and the fact that I have Orochi now. One skillboost can make a huge difference and some of my old strategies (like subbing Black Metatron for Hera Rush) are outdated now, but sometimes I forget that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 08, 2016, 12:06:35 AM
@Starlight
What are you using now? Hades gives you like 5 whole turns to kill him, shouldn't be a problem with your light team.

It's not that, i just got some bad skyfall stuff, with regular skyfall he would have went down on the third turn.

I'm currently using an A. Drake lead for the HP and Atk. boost, having U. Rider Liene, Kaguya-Hime (New Year REM one), Wukong Evo'd and a L/G Dragon Fruit due to cost restrictions as subs, and i used a Shinra Saiga Helper as a safe-ish strat, since it was the closest i had for a anti-heavy defense monster such as Neptune.
Crappy huh ?

And i don't have you added Commander :V, here's my ID: 383095393
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 08, 2016, 12:09:08 AM
Commander, I did some searching, found this:

>I pretty much have it down to a 100% clear rate at this point with Gabriel/Reine/Snow White/Alrescha/Sun Quan/Ryune.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 08, 2016, 12:22:14 AM
Oh shit that makes a lot of sense actually. Alrescha does a lot of work in this dungeon and I forgot about her. I've even hypermaxed her since then. Well, I'm in with a different team right now but I'll bring that if I lose this time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 08, 2016, 12:24:47 AM
I also found this in your post history  (http://imgur.com/w4uGESr) if it helps out any
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 08, 2016, 12:29:39 AM
It's not that, i just got some bad skyfall stuff, with regular skyfall he would have went down on the third turn.

I'm currently using an A. Drake lead for the HP and Atk. boost, having U. Rider Liene, Kaguya-Hime (New Year REM one), Wukong Evo'd and a L/G Dragon Fruit due to cost restrictions as subs, and i used a Shinra Saiga Helper as a safe-ish strat, since it was the closest i had for a anti-heavy defense monster such as Neptune.
Crappy huh ?

And i don't have you added Commander :V, here's my ID: 383095393

You should look for Awoken Freyjas. I think Matsy has one.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 08, 2016, 12:30:59 AM
"Ok time to face Zaerogoo again, this time should be easier with my newly 297.... let see which team is best..."

> full Dark Absorb floor
> -50% Dark Damage on Zaerogoo
".....come here Sakuya......"  :matsuriscowl:

Gungho, care to explain the reasoning behind stacking a dungeon against the very color that would be interested in the boss drop? -__-
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 08, 2016, 01:00:49 AM
because Zaerogoo is the maleficent phantom King of darkness

That's like trying to poison Neptune in Zeus Mercury and Z&H
It'll work eventually
But it won't work well

But somehow LZL and Ammy best him easily.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 08, 2016, 01:45:48 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/d37G9UG.jpg)

It is going to be so fucking sad that Tokaigi Cup (Isis fixed team) is going to be the only ranked dungeon I didn't get sub-10% in
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 08, 2016, 01:51:38 AM
because Zaerogoo is the maleficent phantom King of darkness

That's like trying to poison Neptune in Zeus Mercury and Z&H
It'll work eventually
But it won't work well

But somehow LZL and Ammy best him easily.

Doesn't Neptune have a status sheild in Mercury?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 08, 2016, 02:22:20 AM
Doesn't Neptune have a status sheild in Mercury?

I thought it was only for 10 turns, my bad.
Still. Bring your own Neptune to that fight and watch him fail almost half of his attacks.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 08, 2016, 02:27:44 AM
I thought it was only for 10 turns, my bad.
Still. Bring your own Neptune to that fight and watch him fail almost half of his attacks.

I used Neptune Dragon and one-shot him. That works too right? :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 08, 2016, 02:53:57 AM
okay serious question time
Are Gabriel/Alrescha/Alrescha/Andromeda good as subs for Neptunedora? Because if it's legit enough...

Well. I have Orochi, Isis, I&I and Sachi Bros if double Alrescha is not preferable.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 08, 2016, 02:59:06 AM
I spend the whole dungeon dreading part 1 of Z8 and....

(http://i.imgur.com/niQzDoX.png)

Apparently, chinagirl invades can happen on that floor, too.

I then proceed to melt him away on my first shot, with his 75% shield up.

(http://i.imgur.com/llMRFSO.png)

A. Astaroth is so good.

That's a grand total of 39,124,096 damage dealt. Taking his shield into account, it's 9,781,024 damage inflicted.

He has 6,257,431 HP.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 08, 2016, 03:08:51 AM
I will need to do this with Karin eventually out of principle, but for now, I'll take my first Special dungeon clear with pride!

(http://i.imgur.com/9CYldv8.jpg)

I wanted Nordis anyway so this works out pretty well for me.

Subsequently I got money and A. Sakuya is finally maxskilled which will be nice too.

Not a murderous overkill victory like soooome peoples' Special clears, but the only thing that counts is the victory at the end!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 08, 2016, 04:59:01 AM
okay serious question time
Are Gabriel/Alrescha/Alrescha/Andromeda good as subs for Neptunedora? Because if it's legit enough...

Well. I have Orochi, Isis, I&I and Sachi Bros if double Alrescha is not preferable.

My NepDra team is not great, but here's what I use:

NepDra/Reine/Gabriel/Snow White/Alrescha/NepDra (although recently I've been pairing him with Ryune a lot with some success)

As I've said before, I think my team has two major weaknesses: Low HP and few skillboosts. The team you're proposing has slightly better HP, which is good, but even fewer skillboosts, which I would say is bad. I'm definitely a fan of Alrescha on Neptune Dragon, her HP isn't horrible, she makes him lockproof, and extra haste is great, but I wouldn't use two because it slows down an already-slow team even more. Once you do get your skills up you'll basically be set for a while because of all the haste, but you don't have any fast skills which is very bad.

Here's my ill-informed take on all of the subs you mentioned:

Gabriel: Very solid, especially if you have a lot of physicals already and need RCV. Even better if you have a heartbreaker. Bad HP is super sketchy though.
Alrescha: One is great, especially if she puts you exactly at five lock resists. Two is probably overkill outside of certain dungeons.
Andromeda: Great. No real downsides that I can see.
Orochi: HP and skillboosts are both great, lack of God typing is unfortunate and I'm hesitant to have any more non-orbchange actives. Probably becomes an amazing choice whenever you pair NepDra with an orbchanging friend lead, although odds are that will hurt your RCV even more. In my case I still have more than enough, but my team is heaven on healers.
Isis: I wouldn't use her over Snow White, but she does have better awakenings and stats so there's certainly a reason to. Definitely better than Snow White if you don't pack a heartbreaker, but you should probably have a heartbreaker. Her shield could be relevant depending on your team's final HP, but it's too small for my team to care about.
I&I: HP good, active semi-pointless. More haste is great, and in theory it lets you burst while conserving orbs, but it still seems like overkill to me.
Sachi Bros: Doesn't seem especially great at anything NepDra wants to have, but could be good if you have a green->blue orbchanger.

To be honest Neptune Dragon seems like he needs a heavy whale box to really work. He has too many flaws that can only be easily solved by stacking REM chases. Or maybe I should be pairing him with something and I'm just playing him bad. But as it stands I can't reaaally recommend him. Too flawed and needy.

Edit:

Commander, I did some searching, found this:

>I pretty much have it down to a 100% clear rate at this point with Gabriel/Reine/Snow White/Alrescha/Sun Quan/Ryune.
I also found this in your post history  (http://imgur.com/w4uGESr) if it helps out any

Thank you very much, that helped a ton. Who knows how long it would have taken me to figure that out again. I died a number of times earlier, but the first time I busted out Alrescha it was a breeze to clear.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 08, 2016, 05:41:01 AM
To be honest Neptune Dragon seems like he needs a heavy whale box to really work. He has too many flaws that can only be easily solved by stacking REM chases. Or maybe I should be pairing him with something and I'm just playing him bad. But as it stands I can't reaaally recommend him. Too flawed and needy.

Probably. Most of the non-GFE subs I commonly see on Neptune Dragon are Awoken Karin, Hermes (any form of Hermes), Andromeda... and that's it, sometimes Awoken I&I makes a guest appearance as does Hatsume, but yeah.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 08, 2016, 10:19:11 AM
I spend the whole dungeon dreading part 1 of Z8 and....

(http://i.imgur.com/niQzDoX.png)

Apparently, chinagirl invades can happen on that floor, too.

I then proceed to melt him away on my first shot, with his 75% shield up.

(http://i.imgur.com/llMRFSO.png)

A. Astaroth is so good.

I don't know what impress me more: the fact that the invade was so awesomely timed, or the sheer balance in damage output of your team members.....


EDIT: Ok what gives? Everytime i read a post here about chinese invades i turn back to my phone and there she is!  :wat:
Oh and this is my SIXTH invade in the Challenge Descended..... pretty good rate! (Sakuya, why do you still hide from meeeeee? *creepy deep voice*)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 09, 2016, 02:56:44 AM
>guan yinping boosts physicals

Oh boy

(http://i.imgur.com/RAd7S3Z.jpg)

Get dunked tengu
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 09, 2016, 04:55:10 AM
That is a lot of HP for 12costs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 09, 2016, 05:26:08 AM
I keep my hypermaxed yinping up for anyone else who wants to try lol
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 09, 2016, 05:57:49 AM
I might try when I'm done with the rest of it. I've got a hundred or so spare +eggs that I could do something similar with. Not sure if I have the subs, but I don't know how much it matters. I'm working on my Pandora team as well as the challenge, so all of my stamina is already going to use, but I'll take you up on that if I get the chance.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 09, 2016, 11:27:36 AM
HEY GUYS I HEARD YOU MISSED JUGGLER SO HERES AN ULT BECAUSE YOU ALL LOVED HIM SO MUCH

ALSO NA GETS ARENA 2 NOW KTHXBAI
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 09, 2016, 11:48:16 AM
HEY GUYS I HEARD YOU MISSED JUGGLER SO HERES AN ULT BECAUSE YOU ALL LOVED HIM SO MUCH

ALSO NA GETS ARENA 2 NOW KTHXBAI

meh, who cares about juggler ult

berserker ult is poverty rodin!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 09, 2016, 04:22:52 PM
Okay, if i can get the big green carbuncle, i can do Hera :V


Too bad i had just sold my Mythlits..... it's for a good cause.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 09, 2016, 04:34:36 PM
Idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot

First time attempting Nordis AND first time using A.Ra team.
I managed to mess up the killing blow for 3 CONSECUTIVE TURNS.....

AM I F***ING COLORBLIND?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 09, 2016, 04:55:56 PM
Idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot idiot

First time attempting Nordis AND first time using A.Ra team.
I managed to mess up the killing blow for 3 CONSECUTIVE TURNS.....

AM I F***ING COLORBLIND?

Maybe it's because using Dark teams left you like that. :P
Or you're sleepy.
Or you're drunk.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 09, 2016, 05:08:46 PM
Would somebody mind updating the first post to give my Ra the ultramax glow? He's got them fingers now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 09, 2016, 05:59:33 PM
This is based off KR and might not apply to very many people but

Navigator Linka (http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=2735) will be available for purchase overseas when maintenance is over. (200,000 MP)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 09, 2016, 06:25:44 PM
That active.  Those awakenings.  That art.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 09, 2016, 07:25:44 PM
What have you guys been doing with the autoheal latents you end up with from PreDra Infestation and other means? I've just been cramming them into white Metatron for the day when both she and they get a buff, but once that's done I can't think of any non-joke uses for them. Are there any builds anywhere that legitimately use them for anything?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 09, 2016, 08:17:13 PM
Put them on satan
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 09, 2016, 08:37:13 PM
Yeah that's pretty much all I could come up with. Or Okuninushi.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 09, 2016, 08:53:58 PM
KR 8.7 Update:

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 09, 2016, 11:52:09 PM
Oh sure, they reduce lag for OTHER reasons, but fuck me, right?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 09, 2016, 11:55:56 PM
Anyone with a 12 cost lead theyre willing to put up? Want to get Tengu out of the way.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 10, 2016, 01:34:16 AM
Finally.....

[attach=1]

(On phone, so no image hosting for me, open the image on another window.)

I've never been so happy to see a Dark (eww, yuck) monster in my box.
Thanks to Username for the GOdin, and for everyone in the IRC channel that helped me. First True Descended done. :D
Now only if this were a Hera-Sowilo.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 10, 2016, 01:56:47 AM
Anyone with a 12 cost lead theyre willing to put up? Want to get Tengu out of the way.

I keep my hypermaxed yinping up for anyone else who wants to try lol
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2016, 02:44:37 AM
(On phone, so no image hosting for me, open the image on another window.)

I think everyone posting PAD images is doing so from their phone. :V

Just upload it to Imgur or a similar image hosting site with your browser and post a link.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 10, 2016, 04:14:52 AM
I HAVE FULL STAM THE FUCK YOU MEAN MAINTENANCE FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2016, 04:24:26 AM
Oh shit is it now? I have full stamina toooooo...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 10, 2016, 04:51:07 AM
I HAVE FULL STAM THE FUCK YOU MEAN MAINTENANCE FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Oh shit is it now? I have full stamina toooooo...

(http://i.imgur.com/SuexAsY.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on March 10, 2016, 05:10:55 AM
Thanks to Username for the GOdin, and for everyone in the IRC channel that helped me. First True Descended done. :D
You're welcome, feel free to HL us in the channel or post a blurb on the current thread if you want any of our leads up, we're here to help!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 10, 2016, 10:12:29 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/SuexAsY.png)

Chirei you goddamn bast@rd! I laughed out loud at my workplace! XDDDD

Today is a good day:

- i used up all my stamina before the maintenance  BV
- i finally defeated Nordis  :toot:
- TENGU'S RESTRICTION HAS BEEN LIFTED MID-CHALLENGE! I suspected Gungtroll would show its colors, so i left him behind till now  :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 10, 2016, 12:58:56 PM
Soo.... update....
I guess it's that time of the month again.

- i finally defeated Nordis  :toot:

:toot:

Also, for those that don't know yet.
Tomorrow as soon as the evo carnival closes, there will be the following:
-2.5x EXP bonus chance
-2.5x Skill Up chance
-Double drops from Coin Dungeons
-3x +egg on Normal Dungeons
-Extra Chance of +eggs on Legendary Technical Dungeons

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2016, 01:41:36 PM
Aaaah is the maintenance back? I was at full stamina all night, it ended and I entered a dungeon, and upon leaving the dungeon there's more maintenance. I guess stamina is cheap now, so oh well.

Also it looks like we have half-stamina multiplayer dungeons right now?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 10, 2016, 01:55:13 PM
I had... just purchased TAMADRA village to help awaken new Andromeda and everything else that I needed to awaken.

mrgrgr
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 10, 2016, 02:02:52 PM
- TENGU'S RESTRICTION HAS BEEN LIFTED MID-CHALLENGE! I suspected Gungtroll would show its colors, so i left him behind till now  :D

"Puzzle & Dragons (North America) - GungHo Please note that the Tengu listed in current run of Descended Challenge will still retain the older conditions."
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2016, 02:03:16 PM
gmggmr

On another note, does anybody want to do co-ops with me while they're cheap? I can probably rush Awoken Pandora so that I actually have a lead people use (although getting all of her subs online in a hurry might be tricky and will depend a lot on Enhance Carnival drops, and my team isn't that optimal). Or maybe we could try some kind of weird Ra/Sakuya mess?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 10, 2016, 02:10:21 PM
-2.5x Skill Up chance

We meet again, old nemesis..... I'll unload all my ammo in one go..... BE READY.

Also it looks like we have half-stamina multiplayer dungeons right now?

Time to skillup Zaerogoo, taking advantage of the ridiculous exp/stam ratio of his dungeon

I had... just purchased TAMADRA village to help awaken new Andromeda and everything else that I needed to awaken.

O-U-C-H
i guess your phone right now is making an unplanned flying circumnavigation of the planet?


Copying a news from another forum: Bikini Claire, Halloween Kali, Xmas Ronia, and NY Ama are all going to be in JP's MP store for the weekend
If this happens in NA too my MP will disappear faster than The Flash  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 10, 2016, 02:12:55 PM
"Puzzle & Dragons (North America) - GungHo Please note that the Tengu listed in current run of Descended Challenge will still retain the older conditions."

Sorry for the double post but this just have to be said:

GH managed to troll even those like me that were awaiting their trolling...... too pro  :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 10, 2016, 02:23:57 PM
Copying a news from another forum: Bikini Claire, Halloween Kali, Xmas Ronia, and NY Ama are all going to be in JP's MP store for the weekend
If this happens in NA too my MP will dissappear faster than The Flash  :V
Oh crap, Beach Claire would make my current Pandora team completely unbindable.....aaaaaaarrgh. If I like sell every non-dupe I'm not using a lot of I can maybe probably just barely afford her. Although that's without A.Loki's two SBRs, if I put him in Beach Claire wouldn't be super necessary. Aaaaah I don't know!!

I would play coop if I weren't a total screwup. I guess A. Panda wouldn't be bad though since her hp multipliers should give her a healthy breathing space. My team is pretty underleved though and if it weren't for that tamadra shenanigans my haku would be max awoken already.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 10, 2016, 02:26:49 PM
Could someone paste the link to the updated Apk ? Or is it not done yet ?

And screw Beach Claire.
NY Amaterasu would be the ultimate thing i could get for mah team. But... 300.000 MP :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 10, 2016, 02:34:56 PM
gmggmr

On another note, does anybody want to do co-ops with me while they're cheap? I can probably rush Awoken Pandora so that I actually have a lead people use (although getting all of her subs online in a hurry might be tricky and will depend a lot on Enhance Carnival drops, and my team isn't that optimal). Or maybe we could try some kind of weird Ra/Sakuya mess?

I would be happy to co-op with you..... as long as you know that sometimes i can mess up activations that shouldn't be physically possible to mess  :V

As for leaders...... Yomidra, A.Loki, A.Pandora, A.Sakuya, A.Ra, Verdandi...... i usually run these (only the dark cards are 297)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 10, 2016, 02:40:34 PM
Could someone paste the link to the updated Apk ? Or is it not done yet ?

And screw Beach Claire.
NY Amaterasu would be the ultimate thing i could get for mah team. But... 300.000 MP :V
No the new update version is up, I just had to update mine. There seems to be several sites (https://www.androidpit.com/how-to-download-apk-file-from-google-play) available for information on downloading apks from the Google Play store (what's up with the word filter, miss?), which you can probably make use of if you don't feel like waiting around.

Honestly you'd be better off buying one of the MP dragons than trying to get a random sub for your current light team, if somehow you were rolling in that moola.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on March 10, 2016, 03:42:11 PM
Could someone paste the link to the updated Apk ? Or is it not done yet ?
Here you go. (https://apkpure.com/puzzle-dragons/jp.gungho.padEN)

(that link really needs to go in the OP)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 10, 2016, 04:34:47 PM
Here you go. (https://apkpure.com/puzzle-dragons/jp.gungho.padEN)

(that link really needs to go in the OP)

Thank you. And yea it needs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2016, 04:52:00 PM
I'd like to re-evaluate the slightly negative review of Neptune Dragon I gave a couple of days ago. I still stand by all of my criticisms of him, but I will say that I've been extensively testing Nepdra/Ryune since then and it mitigates some of my bigger complaints.

On the plus side, that version of the team actually has HP, and it cares about skillboosts less because it has fewer extremely slow actives and more ability to safely stall up skills. It could also make more optimal use of the double Alreschas that were discussed since it's short a lock resist otherwise (or at least my version is) and again cares a little less about skillboosts.

On the minus side damage is much lower, which means you're now obligated to actually do maximun bursts. However, maximum bursts still cleanly kill most things without an enhance, and if not it's much safer to chip things down before bursting. It's also less capable of huge Haste bursts, but since it has one more real active the result is still basically a net gain.

The missing recovery isn't too much of  problem because NepDra tends to overheal anyway. This distribution of stat bonuses is much more forgiving of subs because RCV and ATK now matter, rather than stacking as much HP as possible being the only consideration. The overall HP is good but not great (around 50k for me with an all-hypermax team) so I still wouldn't consider this to be a true stall team, but it takes advantage of NepDra's "bulky spike" role nicely.

So for anyone considering buying NepDra, make of that what you will. I'm still not sure zmI would recommend him, but he does clear a vast majority of the game this way,and if for some reason you need riduclous damage and two poisons dual NepDras is still an option. I'm not convinced he reall does much that other similar leads can't already do, but since what he does do is pretty solid I guess that's okay.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2016, 05:28:16 PM
Ha ha wow, Chinese invades in level up dungeons are horseshit. I just got Sakuya invade on Nordis on the jewel dragon  floor, which ate up most of the experience in the entire dungeon since Sakuya gives next to nothing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 10, 2016, 09:45:50 PM
The overall HP is good but not great
around 50k

...Remember when 20k HP was considered godlike? And here I am feeling kinda squishy with 25k HP and 4k RCV
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2016, 09:50:11 PM
I said it was "good", didn't I? :V And yeah, at least for my money 25K is just barely on the acceptable side of squishy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 10, 2016, 09:57:10 PM
The problem is that +eggs will only really get me about another 2.5k HP at best. And that's only marginally better since everything and their mother seems to hit at over 20k nowadays.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 10, 2016, 10:06:33 PM
Unless you have an HP modifier or a very specific team I find that RCV is your main survival tool since you probably won't be taking two hits straight-up from very many things. And if I recall you do have an RCV multiplier, so that's good.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 10, 2016, 10:24:03 PM
Well, that I do. 4k RCV, 3k autoheal and a 2.25x RCV multiplier. Plus a 1.5x heart enhance. I still feel kinda squishy though, cause hearts seem to swarm me when I don't need them, and seem to vanish when I do.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 10, 2016, 10:57:24 PM
I still feel kinda squishy though, cause hearts seem to swarm me when I don't need them, and seem to vanish when I do.

I thought you knew, GungHo's desire detector also affects skyfall.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Pesco on March 11, 2016, 01:24:08 AM
I had... just purchased TAMADRA village to help awaken new Andromeda and everything else that I needed to awaken.

mrgrgr

Last time that i bought tama village and it ran into maintenance they refunded me my 10 mil afterwards. I managed to score 1 run of it for free.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 11, 2016, 01:40:45 AM
Beat Sonia Gran for the first time thanks to Raph.  It will be easier once him and Sandy have their +eggs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 11, 2016, 02:11:14 AM
Wow I suck, I just died like 6 times everywhere in Zoo's dungeon because of inattention or not planning colors or screwing up obvious combos, holy crappy sack. Safe and farming aren't in my dictionary.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 11, 2016, 12:17:08 PM
The day after arena 1 leaves we get dark latents
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 11, 2016, 01:37:53 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/pNqVigm.jpg)

Need Tamadras badly!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 11, 2016, 01:42:18 PM
The day after arena 1 leaves we get dark latents

I honestly really dislike people complaining about this so much because y'all know Arena 1 pops back up now and again and it's not like it's useless for Arena 2 :/
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 11, 2016, 01:59:09 PM
ULT YUNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 11, 2016, 02:13:20 PM
The art for ult yuna was posted in the FF Portal App.

So pretty sure she's gonna be a thing, stats will come next week probably.

Valefor is in the art so maybe gets Dragon subtyping?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 11, 2016, 02:36:37 PM
It's kinda weird that she goes back from summoning Bahamut to Valefor. I would have thought she'd be summoning Anima for light/dark or something, which would have been cool.

But either way, I'm hoping her LS is good because I'm itching to use my overstock of shynpy on her :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 11, 2016, 03:02:02 PM
Sure is fun getting fucked by goemon
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 11, 2016, 03:14:47 PM
Sure is fun getting fucked by goemon

Yeah, I don't know what if anything I'm going to do about that. I think if my brand new Pandora team as well as my Castor were all leveled, awakeninged, and skilled I could clear it with them provided I rolled white Kali, but that is not the case. I don't think Gabriel really stands a chance but it's worth looking into I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 11, 2016, 03:22:16 PM
I can theoretically beat him easily but bad luck just fucks me always
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 11, 2016, 03:33:06 PM
I think I could work something out with Gabriel if we had skill inheritance, but I can't figure it out right now. Reine is definitely getting God Gravity if possible. It deals with Vishnu and Kali and there's basically no downside since I'll never charge it accidentally.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 11, 2016, 03:41:26 PM
Gravity doesn't work on Vishnu

Unless you mean KNOCK HIM low -> gravity kill but that's super risky it's better to just use delay
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 11, 2016, 03:57:08 PM
Oh shit it didn't even occur to me that gravity wouldn't work on him, but I guess that makes sense. Fair enough.

Just a delay isn't really quite enough outside of extremely optimal circumstances (which means no situational subs and going into the floor with all skills up, which isn't likely). Puppet active would totally work, but I don't think it would help that much on Kali. That's probably fine though, I think I have room for both.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on March 11, 2016, 04:49:47 PM
Well, that Ultra-Fat-Metal-TAMADRA-King dungeon sure helped my rank. I went from 27 to 40 right there, AND got the drop, which I fed to... I forgot (whatever my now level 60 monster is) so yeah. It's almost cheating.

There we go. Now I can finish an up-to-snuff team for Expert Dungeons.
(http://imgur.com/TxFg0hH.jpg)

EDIT: Fixed image
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 11, 2016, 04:52:21 PM
It's so good.  I'm at a point where one run of that can ALMOST still rank me up from an empty Exp bar so yeah.  Basically guaranteed rankup button for several hundred ranks.  Great tool for if you wanna stretch stamina further to run something specific like a useful Descend or an urgent dungeon like TAMAs or PreDRAs or something while it's up.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on March 11, 2016, 04:57:10 PM
Yeah, it really does help a lot. Because for the most part I rely heavily on Partner Monsters, the level 40 bonus to that aspect is letting me get things like Keeper of the Gold, which I'm finding people tend to like to shove in their slot 1 (not leader slot)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 11, 2016, 05:02:48 PM
So, the day started GREAT with DKali going from 1 to maxskilled with 17 Devilit and easily steamrolling the new challenge from 1 to 7, then....

"Lv 8, Bubpy? No use, skip...... Lv 9, Flampy? Welp, skip again and guess which one is on lv10..... >_>"
"Lv 10.... ok this time i should be able to try it......"

Full poison board first turn
(which instantly defeat ALL my teams due to DKali being lv40 and the Hakus not being up turn 1, while A.Sakuya team would get eaten by Goemon for dinner)

"....annnnnnd another badpy lost forever, let go farm those stupid Chasers in coin dungeon. Oh btw GH.....GO TO HELL"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 11, 2016, 05:13:53 PM
There we go. Now I can finish an up-to-snuff team for Expert Dungeons.
(https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5AZcumCpQpzNTBYSlB5TGZBcFU/view?usp=sharing)

EDIT: Fixing link (Even if it doesn't matter, I need to learn some BBCode)
Just make sure that the url within the
Code: [Select]
[url][/url] tags ends with an image file extension. Such as .jpg or .png or whatever.

e:
oops, I meant img tags
Code: [Select]
[img][/img]
e2:
looks like you ninja'd me with your own edit
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on March 11, 2016, 05:18:00 PM
Yeah, the issue was that Google Drive doesn't like embedding images, so I had to upload it from Drive to imgur.

EDIT-BECAUSE-I-DON'T-THINK-THROUGH-MY-POSTS: And Drive doesn't let you resize; imgur does.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 11, 2016, 05:57:58 PM
It's kinda weird that she goes back from summoning Bahamut to Valefor. I would have thought she'd be summoning Anima for light/dark or something, which would have been cool.

But either way, I'm hoping her LS is good because I'm itching to use my overstock of shynpy on her :v

Technically, Bahamut was never in the art, and it's unlikely they'll touch her active tbh, so she'll be summoning Bahamut at the same time as Valefor.

As far as art goes, Valefor feels pretty fitting imo, since well, baby's first.

I'm pretty hype though. Now I get to feel better about Hming her in JP!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 11, 2016, 06:36:50 PM
Full poison board first turn which instantly defeat ALL my teams

(http://i.imgur.com/SuexAsY.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 11, 2016, 06:47:18 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/SuexAsY.png)

Ok, i laughed  :D

And i wouldn't fistpump if i were him: no chance to win --> won't even try to run it --> no need to stone due to game overs.  :justasplanned:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 11, 2016, 07:26:57 PM
Technically, Bahamut was never in the art, and it's unlikely they'll touch her active tbh, so she'll be summoning Bahamut at the same time as Valefor.

As far as art goes, Valefor feels pretty fitting imo, since well, baby's first.

I'm pretty hype though. Now I get to feel better about Hming her in JP!

I meant I was hoping her LS was good so she was worth using as opposed to Sakuya or Horus or such-- and thus worth dumping the pys into. Her active probably won't change, though I feel it could use a little buff or something.

And I suppose that's true-- Valefor is exclusively her summon after all-- Anima was Seymour's first. And eww, Seymour.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on March 12, 2016, 01:22:17 AM
By the way, if I feel like joining the IRC chat, do I just get a client and connect? Or is it more complicated?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 12, 2016, 01:26:55 AM
Get client(or go on webchat.ppirc.net)
Pick username
---If client: Connect to server:  cirno.ppirc,net
Connect to channel: #puzzleandlibrarians

Any issues, just post in here some more!

Also note that Matsuri provided a handy IRC walkthrough in a sticky in this very forum, namely this one. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17630.msg1143051.html)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 12, 2016, 02:29:06 AM
I meant I was hoping her LS was good so she was worth using as opposed to Sakuya or Horus or such-- and thus worth dumping the pys into. Her active probably won't change, though I feel it could use a little buff or something.

Oh i was commenting more on, aesthetically the bahamut summon is only in active name :v

Mechanics wise all I care about is awakenings tbh, Leader-wise it's about the equivalent of typing FFX into a hentai website.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 12, 2016, 02:40:22 AM
By the way, if I feel like joining the IRC chat, do I just get a client and connect? Or is it more complicated?

a link in my signature exists, just type in a name and go
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 12, 2016, 02:42:41 AM
Oh i was commenting more on, aesthetically the bahamut summon is only in active name :v

Mechanics wise all I care about is awakenings tbh, Leader-wise it's about the equivalent of typing FFX into a hentai website.
The summons are in the leader skilll name, not the active. 
AS:  I have become a summoner!
LS:  Summon ______(Valefor/Bahamut, depending on if evo'd)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 12, 2016, 03:53:50 AM
The summons are in the leader skilll name, not the active. 
AS:  I have become a summoner!
LS:  Summon ______(Valefor/Bahamut, depending on if evo'd)

Oh.

Well, Okay. Yeah, I got nothing then :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 12, 2016, 11:58:40 AM
get the fuck out of my town

(http://i.imgur.com/ef4fHkK.png) (http://i.imgur.com/VnC1VyX.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 12, 2016, 02:57:59 PM
> screwing up perfectly good combos at the last nano second due to greed

IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT

You just had to stay still, me, just stayed still. Why the hell were you trying to match a red orb in the place you were holding your red orb!? orz
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2016, 04:45:48 PM
oh boy its the weekend it's time to farm dark laten-

>coin dungeons are disabled this weekend

 :colonveeplusalpha: :fail: :colonveeplusalpha: :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 12, 2016, 05:09:28 PM
Daylight saviiiiiingsssssss.

Also apparently they had Despair Vault today or something.  What a terrible choice for the one thing to offer.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 12, 2016, 08:51:12 PM
I swear if GH gives back Coin dungeons when i cannot farm that last skillup for D/D Haku anymore.....

On a related note, today i was almost at full stamina (in preparation for running Watery Temptress) so when i saw that my farm rush was destroyed before even beginning i went to my usual backup plan

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-03-12-15-55-39_zpsfvvmcwsj.png)

Kick the ass of a random endgame technical you left behind  :V

And the actual run was hilariously easy, my usual Yomidra team was basically MADE to deal with that dungeon  :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 12, 2016, 11:09:29 PM
oh boy half stam coop i can farm devil rush and max skill grisar and get a million rank ups

>dies to satan and mephisto

like why do i even play this game again
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 12, 2016, 11:25:29 PM
oh boy half stam coop i can farm devil rush and max skill grisar and get a million rank ups

>dies to satan and mephisto

like why do i even play this game again

for crown and epeen
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 13, 2016, 12:01:13 AM
for crown
funny you say that cause im playing a lot of clash royale now :V

pretty fun aside from the pay2win part, but its fine as long as matchmaking doesn't decide to fuck you in the ass
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 13, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
like why do i even play this game again

well you see

because all of the alternatives are much worse

do not leave the padbubble suikwiemer, embrace it
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 13, 2016, 12:08:14 AM
also funny you say that, because monstrike just commit sudoku by saying they're going to remove all coop except local, making it literally LOCAL COOP ONLY HURDUR

i probably already mentioned that earlier but eh :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 13, 2016, 12:34:03 AM
Wow, that's probably the quickest way to completely murder the game.

Truly, for as horrible as PaD can be, it is still the best choice.

(Although I've personally also been playing a lot of Fallout Shelter, but that's another story.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 13, 2016, 12:41:42 AM
i died AGAIN

WTF I CANT COMBO TODAY

WTF
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 13, 2016, 12:42:32 AM
also funny you say that, because monstrike just commit sudoku by saying they're going to remove all coop except local, making it literally LOCAL COOP ONLY HURDUR

i probably already mentioned that earlier but eh :V

wait what

that is absolutely.... do you mean local local or in-app online because

monstrike is 200% not made for that at all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on March 13, 2016, 12:44:01 AM
The things that make you wish you had a Guard Break monster: Low Light Ninja. I think it's been an hour.

Image Replaced

EDIT: Oh, what? One of my attacks has done more than 1 damage.

EDIT 2: Well, I got lucky and FINALLY got a couple of defense-ignored moves, dealing 300ish damage, and screw me.

(http://imgur.com/G5MHwJO.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 13, 2016, 12:47:48 AM
wait what

that is absolutely.... do you mean local local or in-app online because

monstrike is 200% not made for that at all.
right now you can do local, global, or LINE coop

they are making it so that the other two are gone and it's LOCAL ONLY NO MORE ONLINE AT ALL
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 13, 2016, 01:01:49 AM
The things that make you wish you had a Guard Break monster: Low Light Ninja. I think it's been an hour.

(http://imgur.com/n9k92tM.jpg)

EDIT: Oh, what? One of my attacks has done more than 1 damage.
Unfortunately, your team as-is looks like you can't hit above 1x damage, so you're in for a rough time.  Pollux requires enhanced orbs to activate their multiplier(and none of your monsters can provide any by active or by Awakenings), and chibi Ammy there does not have an Atk bonus at all.

Good luck dealing with that stage if you're still at it!  Though really, you'd be better off quitting and trying a new team.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on March 13, 2016, 01:04:31 AM
Yeah, I just updated the image  :V :V :V :V :V

By the way, I usually get an Awoken Pollux friend, but this time, I wasn't sure what to expect enemy ATK-wise, so I played it safe and went with my only Amaterasu friend, which has a chibi :{
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 13, 2016, 03:01:25 AM
~WARNING ANOTHER STUPID TIER LIST POST INCOMING PLS IGNORE~

wow so a bunch of jp sites just dropped yomidra leaving radra as the clear #1 leader in the game. I guess it has to do with arena 2 and how no one has found a good team for him while radra does okay with the weird orochi/ragnarok dragon whatever build. on top of that he probably has trouble keeping up in damage with the increasing powercreep in crazy dungeons like mech zeus/hera

awoken lucifer also seems to have dropped below awoken pandora despite them thinking he was better originally. I guess while his god killer and true damamge is good for arena, it's not quite so great in other lategame dungeons

glad i invested into her

BUT ITS TOO BAD I CANT SEEM TO FARM GRISAR FOR HER CAUSE I FUKKEN SUCK
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 13, 2016, 03:07:25 AM
BUT ITS TOO BAD I CANT SEEM TO FARM GRISAR FOR HER CAUSE I FUKKEN SUCK

farm badpy in 1/2 solo alts ezpz
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 13, 2016, 03:17:24 AM
i still need at least 3 more for awakenings

which i would have already but i have dicks for fingers


i think im just gonna give aLoki 5 time extend cause apparently i need it
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 13, 2016, 03:38:34 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ldynawk.jpg)
Oh op op please make me shiiine and starryyy~~

Took me long enough, here's to my first hypermax

(Also if you could change my secondary to A Panda I would be most glizzles)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 13, 2016, 03:48:23 AM
can i get a premptive golden isis star

i'm 1 dark dark resist away which isnt happening this weekend because thanks gungho
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 13, 2016, 03:58:20 AM
hurrr
Raoh X Freyr bursted past the 65% HP mark on LKali
Then she bound Freyr
Then she used the ten-turn skill bind, which hit through Raoh/Suzaku/Belial/Scarlet's SBR

Fuckers.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 13, 2016, 04:22:14 AM
~WARNING ANOTHER STUPID TIER LIST POST INCOMING PLS IGNORE~

wow so a bunch of jp sites just dropped yomidra leaving radra as the clear #1 leader in the game. I guess it has to do with arena 2 and how no one has found a good team for him while radra does okay with the weird orochi/ragnarok dragon whatever build. on top of that he probably has trouble keeping up in damage with the increasing powercreep in crazy dungeons like mech zeus/hera

awoken lucifer also seems to have dropped below awoken pandora despite them thinking he was better originally. I guess while his god killer and true damamge is good for arena, it's not quite so great in other lategame dungeons

glad i invested into her

BUT ITS TOO BAD I CANT SEEM TO FARM GRISAR FOR HER CAUSE I FUKKEN SUCK

A few things;

Game8 IS NOT THE SAME as GameWith. They are two different parties with two totally different grading criteria for tier list.

Yomidra is very inflexible, despite her top-class style of "low-effort-high-reward" play. Ra Dragon has a lot of more flexible builds.

Awoken Lucifer's damage is reliant on rows, but at the end of the day it's still x16. He's below Pandora and Astaroth because Pandora has a higher cap (x4 x1.25 = x5) and Astaroth has higher stat boost (x1.5 vs x1.35). Awoken Lucifer has issues dealing enough damage to things that aren't Gods, which doesn't really justify running him in dungeons with combo shields (LOOKING AT YOU DEFOUD)

Here's my video on how I farm Devil Rush solo for Grisars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLJAlLl22Jo
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 13, 2016, 05:44:30 AM
Game8 IS NOT THE SAME as GameWith. They are two different parties with two totally different grading criteria for tier list.

both, however, are terribly shitty sites that suck

(mostly gamewith, i remember balking at them all the time with dorapo)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 13, 2016, 07:26:54 AM
Wtf I posted but it didn't show

Anyways I was going off setsus wombo combo tier list


Also
(http://i.imgur.com/WmSHMKU.jpg)

Kali is actually so easy

But fuck goemon
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 13, 2016, 07:45:19 AM
Wtf I posted but it didn't show

Anyways I was going off setsus wombo combo tier list


I don't hold that much stock in JP tier-lists so despite setsu being a good guy I take even less stock in his.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 13, 2016, 08:45:35 AM
you know i always see y'all talking about these tier lists and yet you never link them

what's up with that
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 13, 2016, 09:30:40 AM
you know i always see y'all talking about these tier lists and yet you never link them

what's up with that

http://パズドラ.gamewith.jp/article/show/14672 GameWith dungeon clearing tierlist
http://パズドラ.gamewith.jp/article/show/25410 GameWith farming tierlist
https://game8.jp/archives/18865 Game8 tierlist

https://setsupad.wordpress.com/2016/03/12/jp-aggregate-leader-list-trial-week-5/ Aggregated list of the above (and probably some others) done by setsu
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 13, 2016, 10:05:58 AM
Quote from: Suikama
also funny you say that, because monstrike just commit sudoku by saying they're going to remove all coop except local

I had to do a double-take at this..... then i was rolling on the floor  :D

Yomidra is very inflexible, despite her top-class style of "low-effort-high-reward" play. Ra Dragon has a lot of more flexible builds.

I am no expert about RaDra, but shouldn't be the other way around?
Both boost RCV, have similar awakenings, and use Gods.
But RaDra MUST have board changers, and if you don't have the DKali/A.Isis duo you also need to take into account SBR/Bind clearing, while Yomidra doesn't.
As far as i know, it's RaDra that have a "perfect team" (unless you want to tackle Arena 2, but there simply is NO safe team for that), while Yomidra switch around a lot.....

What am i missing?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 13, 2016, 12:21:03 PM
But RaDra MUST have board changers, and if you don't have the DKali/A.Isis duo you also need to take into account SBR/Bind clearing, while Yomidra doesn't.
As far as i know, it's RaDra that have a "perfect team" (unless you want to tackle Arena 2, but there simply is NO safe team for that), while Yomidra switch around a lot.....

What am i missing?

RaDra board changer subs:
DKali
Fat Chocobo
Ragnarok Dragon
Linthia

RaDragon can also take advantage of heavy delay from Awoken Orochi. You can also run Kanna for a x2 enhance that has a haste. Gravities? Zeus&Hera, Machine Zeus, etc.

Yomi Dragon is pigeon-holed into running subs such as herself, Zeus-Stratios for gravity, Okuninushi for delay, and Akechi is a must. Eschamali is also basically required for competitive damage output.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 13, 2016, 12:22:15 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/1Gn3qcb.png)
Turns out I can do these too. Nifty.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Yukarin on March 13, 2016, 01:09:56 PM
Can someone make the A.Sakuya on the liat golden for me? I just fed her rainbow resists.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 13, 2016, 02:39:47 PM
i rolled a few times

got a SHITTON of new stuff which makes me ecstatic

AWOKEN OROCHI UR FINALLY MINE NOW
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 13, 2016, 03:28:38 PM
You might not be able to see it clearly, but that's an LKali being burned.

(http://i.imgur.com/IRkJqNn.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 13, 2016, 04:09:44 PM
RaDra board changer subs:
DKali
Fat Chocobo
Ragnarok Dragon
Linthia

RaDragon can also take advantage of heavy delay from Awoken Orochi. You can also run Kanna for a x2 enhance that has a haste. Gravities? Zeus&Hera, Machine Zeus, etc.

Yomi Dragon is pigeon-holed into running subs such as herself, Zeus-Stratios for gravity, Okuninushi for delay, and Akechi is a must. Eschamali is also basically required for competitive damage output.
Not that it changes much, but wouldnt Divine Queen Hera also work for a gravity?  Or is there something I'm forgetting about Stratios other than his gravity being IIRC 35% instead of 30?  Academic curiosity, that's all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 13, 2016, 04:25:07 PM
Stratios having negative recovery doesn't phase Yomidora at all, and he's got HP for days.

Doubledongs is kind of an afterthought but they're there.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 13, 2016, 04:35:46 PM
Not that it changes much, but wouldnt Divine Queen Hera also work for a gravity?  Or is there something I'm forgetting about Stratios other than his gravity being IIRC 35% instead of 30?  Academic curiosity, that's all.
35% is exactly enough for Kali while 30% isnt
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 13, 2016, 04:54:26 PM
Okay so one notable flaw of Nepdra/Ryune is that it's less likely to have 100% lock resist. And as we all know, 80%=0%. At least it's pretty good at stalling the lock out.

Also, I got a Grisar invade earlier, and am I the only one who automatically read his dialogue in the voice of that cultmaster guy from Harvester? Or possibly more commonly the villain  from Inspector Gadget, since it's the same voice? Just sayin' that is definitely what Grisar sounds like.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 13, 2016, 06:48:28 PM
Okay so one notable flaw of Nepdra/Ryune is that it's less likely to have 100% lock resist. And as we all know, 80%=0%. At least it's pretty good at stalling the lock out.

Thoria teams can stall out the lock (It is possible for LKali to bind someone on a 100% SBR team, then hit you with Kalam as you now have less than 100% SBR, so this scenario is possible.), but even then I have heard that ultimately you would rather not get hit by it since it does massively increase your chance of being killed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 14, 2016, 04:58:42 AM
Here are my results from a day of Grimoire farming. This has historically not been profitable.

Paulina: 1/3
Theurgia: 0/1
Armadel: 2/4 (skillmax now, although a lot of that was from Piis)
Grisar: 1/2 (I forgot that I had actually used a bunch of Badpys on him before, so he's surprisingly kind of a legit possibility for my Pando team)

Hey, that was actually pretty good. Now that one of them is maxed though I probably won't do this again. I don't really care about Theurgia that much, and doesn't Paulina have a different skillup in Fist Of The North Star or something?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 14, 2016, 05:10:44 AM
Only Goetia had a FotNS skillup, but now she can get skills from Dub-Mythlits so it's a moot point.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 14, 2016, 05:35:16 AM
Ah that sucks. Paulina does drop from Indigo, but unfortunately Indigo isn't available in multiplayer dungeons or anything so farming it won't be as efficient as farming Scarlet for Armadels. And nobody needs that many Indigos. Oh well, I'll max her eventually. With excess Bubpiis if nothing else. I actually do use her to make Gabriel and NepDra into rainbow teams so I should probably max her at some point. She's even a candidate for eventual hypermaxing I guess.

Edit: I am, of course, talking about Christmas Paulina.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 14, 2016, 10:31:29 AM
Oh boy Skill inheritance is rem only rip the z&h dream
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 14, 2016, 11:35:00 AM
And the puppeteer dream unless MP shit counts as REM for some reason? Well, that's completely fucking useless to me after all. Wonderful.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 14, 2016, 11:56:39 AM
And the puppeteer dream unless MP shit counts as REM for some reason? Well, that's completely fucking useless to me after all. Wonderful.

Only the following from MP stuff counts as REM:

Beach Claire
NY Amaterasu
Halloween Kali
XMAS Ronia
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 14, 2016, 12:33:49 PM
Trying to think of any use at all for skill inheritance for me at this point, and all I can come up with is putting Awoken Neptune active on something to deal with Meimei. I'd have to do the math on whether that lets me clear a single fucking dungeon I couldn't before, but I kind of doubt it.

Hopefully I'm overlooking something that might help me beat Vishnu, but I'm pretty sure my team remains completely fucking worthless for current endgame content after all. Maybe something relevant will come out some day I guess? But right now this is pretty much seeming like it benefits whales with Ra Dragon and nobody else. Upgrading single heartbreakers to double heartbreakers still seems like a thing, but I don't own on Hermes, much less two.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 14, 2016, 03:25:31 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/C2nEaE2.jpg)

Cleared with Gabriel. I think this may have been the easiest one of these, or maybe I'm just getting used to them.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 14, 2016, 03:48:33 PM
M...aybe I could put Super Heat Up on something if I read right and Prometheus(being a CURRENT 5* REM card) qualifies...?  I am also struggling to see how this isn't mostly a worthless system for me, sadly.  Ah well, least I don't have to farm TANS then.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 14, 2016, 03:57:53 PM
Nothing hits hard without warning and everything has pretty low HP

That said I stilled died on the easier difficulty to floor 1 >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 14, 2016, 04:03:01 PM
YO CHIREI

Since c10 is only 3 floors it might be doable with alraune right?

Here's another chance to hit the top of the pad subreddit :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 14, 2016, 05:40:19 PM
YO CHIREI

Since c10 is only 3 floors it might be doable with alraune right?

Here's another chance to hit the top of the pad subreddit :V

Two things:

1) I don't really care for the e-points, my stuff being popular was completely beyond my expectations and something of an accident
2) How do you propose I get past a fullboard poison with a team that can't hit that many skillboosts while still having enough utility to do 35% of kali's health in one turn, because i've done the math and it doesn't look sanely feasible. I DO have other things I'd like to do in the game...

M...aybe I could put Super Heat Up on something if I read right and Prometheus(being a CURRENT 5* REM card) qualifies...?  I am also struggling to see how this isn't mostly a worthless system for me, sadly.  Ah well, least I don't have to farm TANS then.

Apparently silvers may be used if they can evolve. The system's concept at implementation is interesting because we now have to look at all cards a second time to ascertain their value. That said, nothing has changed of my guess that you probably ultimately won't use it more than a small amount of times to fix up a team. It really shouldn't be something you need to use more than a handful of times to deal with specific things.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 14, 2016, 05:57:34 PM
Gravity takes care of Kali shield and full board active or poison resist awakenings handle beelz. Dunno about burst but it seemed like you've been able to burst a lot of things I wouldn't have expected before. Eh I dunno it was just a silly idea

Anyways oh boy Skill inheritance is as limited as I thought

But it's still super duper good for Isis which only helps further cement radras dominance in this game lol. Also I think Raph active would also be great to put on the team somehow as immunity is just insane. All preemptives no matter strong get blocked, as well as low HP "autokills". Biggest thing is illsix becomes doable since younknock him to 30% and then use Raph active to block the autokills as you clear the locked jammers, and then you still have 1 more turn of immunity which blocks dq hera. Even if they make arena 3 with 60093827 DQ preemptive Raph will always be able to block it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 14, 2016, 06:28:50 PM
2) How do you propose I get past a fullboard poison with a team that can't hit that many skillboosts while still having enough utility to do 35% of kali's health in one turn, because i've done the math and it doesn't look sanely feasible. I DO have other things I'd like to do in the game...

Simple, you do it the COOL way  :V

(http://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnhthceFR11VOSY/giphy.gif)


Something completely unrelated: is it just me or Lightless Devil's Nest is COMPLETELY USELESS if you want to skillup Attack Stance - Dark?

Since the only "reliable" sources of Vamp drops are either faaar away (halloween dungeon) or we don't know when they will be back (poring tower) i'm sorely tempted to farm amelits like there is no tomorrow and evolve trillions of baddie....
DValk is a staple in basically all my teams and i can't believe she isn't even halfway to maxskilled (and i possess ALL the users of that AS bar Beach Claire, which i'll buy as soon as they put her up in the shop  :V)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 14, 2016, 06:35:01 PM
Go farm Vampires from floor five of alt Talos's Abyss. I don't know exactly what the droprate is but it seems pretty good (40%?) and it has an absolutely horseshit stamina-experience ratio right now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 14, 2016, 06:46:08 PM
Go farm Vampires from floor five of alt Talos's Abyss. I don't know exactly what the droprate is but it seems pretty good (40%?) and it has an absolutely horseshit stamina-experience ratio right now.
alt Talos's Abyss.
CATH PALUG, CATH PALUG EVERYWHERE

You are basically suggesting that i put my nuts into an iron vice and toss a coin to see if it tightens or not every floor  :colonveeplusalpha:

But since you still make a valid point....... time to see if masochism is really a bad thing  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 14, 2016, 07:04:08 PM
I believe I've said before "let it not be said that I am not a masochist". But if you can't handle the kitties I guess you could go farm Baddies... ;p
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 14, 2016, 07:26:05 PM
Alt. Cosita can still drop the vampire at the end you know...

Simple, you do it the COOL way  :V

(http://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnhthceFR11VOSY/giphy.gif)

Simple if you want to eat sub 0.1% chances and use a strategy that is completely invalid because someone wants me to lead with Alraune anyway and therefore that 10combo wouldn't oneshot Beelz if it id happen.

I pick all my fights smartly. That's one of the reasons I've survived for so long.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 14, 2016, 08:18:59 PM
wow..... i think i just received the greatest "F**K OFF" of my life.....

> first run of Talos's Abyss
> first floor
> THREE KITTIES, which go nicely with the 3 dark orbs of the starter board

normally i would be angry but this is so freaking PERFECT that i actually feel amused  BV
It was literally the perfect setup to screw me over in the shortest amount of turns, since my team at full hp can tank 2 hellcats....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 14, 2016, 10:10:27 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/co2M6ga.jpg)

Hmm.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 14, 2016, 10:55:35 PM
Does anyone find ranking dungeons fun? I've done four runs so far and the fucking third floor has erased my main color three of those times. And I got a nine combo with prongs using Verdandi/Bastet and still couldn't kill Takeminakata. I'm not enjoying this at all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 14, 2016, 11:03:48 PM
I ran a 80% jammer resist crew with

L/B Kirin
L/G Kirin
Liu Bei
Ariel
LZL
L/B Kirin

And I just lucked out and got good rng.
Egyptians get screwed over badly because they can't use active skills.

I would guess for people that don't have Kirin, Izanami is the best bet.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 14, 2016, 11:13:38 PM
Does anyone find ranking dungeons fun? I've done four runs so far and the fucking third floor has erased my main color three of those times. And I got a nine combo with prongs using Verdandi/Bastet and still couldn't kill Takeminakata. I'm not enjoying this at all.
Most of em?  No.  Cauchemar Ichad liked and the coming fixed cups I will, but most of them are garbage, yeah.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 14, 2016, 11:30:17 PM
My issue is that with no actives, all of my teams are horseshit except for the ones I don't have friend leaders for. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 15, 2016, 01:08:04 AM
Simple, you do it the COOL way  :V

(http://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnhthceFR11VOSY/giphy.gif)


Something completely unrelated: is it just me or Lightless Devil's Nest is COMPLETELY USELESS if you want to skillup Attack Stance - Dark?

Since the only "reliable" sources of Vamp drops are either faaar away (halloween dungeon) or we don't know when they will be back (poring tower) i'm sorely tempted to farm amelits like there is no tomorrow and evolve trillions of baddie....
DValk is a staple in basically all my teams and i can't believe she isn't even halfway to maxskilled (and i possess ALL the users of that AS bar Beach Claire, which i'll buy as soon as they put her up in the shop  :V)
Funny you say that

cause vamp skillup dungeon is in coop right now

1/2 stam off too

now its the perfect time
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 15, 2016, 01:13:22 AM
Funny you say that

cause vamp skillup dungeon is in coop right now

1/2 stam off too

now its the perfect time

Lightless Devil's Nest IS the skillup dungeon...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 15, 2016, 02:54:41 AM
So spoiled. Back in my day, we had to wait for Lightless Devil's Nest to show up in the special dungeons, and if not, grind baddies forever to evolve and feed them to Vamp instead.

And that was considered one of the easiest skillups in the whole dang game :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 15, 2016, 03:02:16 AM
Sorry grandpa, we are in the 2016 now  :V

Joking aside, after maxskilling 5 different cards before the "base form of chaser/fairy with AS" patch came out i've had it up to my eyeballs of stupid drop rates.....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2016, 03:06:52 AM
Sorry grandpa, we are in the 2016 now  :V

Use Badpiis then. :colbert:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 15, 2016, 03:09:24 AM
Lightless Devil's Nest IS the skillup dungeon...
reading comprehension is for chumps
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 15, 2016, 03:21:07 AM
Just saw the Skill Inheritance announcement, it's just as bad as I expected it to be, and just as useless. So basically a nonexistent system as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 15, 2016, 03:56:58 AM
Hmm... mixed feelings. I guess I could potentially put my random Orochi that's lying around in my box, awoken it, and then attach it to my Kushi. Might be useful for 10 stage dungeons or maybe 7 ones if there are some stalling points. Cuz it'd be hard to accidentally charge it, and it should only be up by boss time, while Kushi's shield is for potential tricky parts before it. So more like insurance rather than planning for something to be useful, but...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 15, 2016, 09:41:26 AM
Use Badpiis then. :colbert:

But i am!  :blush:

It's just that i have a few trash cards that need them more to become decent, like Yomidra, Okuni, A.Loki, A.Pandora, A.Yomi, A.Anubis.....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 15, 2016, 12:32:00 PM
Since nobody mentioned it:

If there's going to be an MP card in the FF Collab, it's highly likely going to be Cecil. He's the only card who doesn't need to evolve, he can directly ultimate evolution. Split ult, one his Dark Knight form and the other his Paladin form.

There will be a 2nd FF Collab dungeon covering the other games not covered by the other dungeon.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2016, 12:43:17 PM
There will be a 2nd FF Collab dungeon covering the other games not covered by the other dungeon.

Oooh, that's pretty cool. I don't give a flying fuck about Final Fantasy in general, but the last dungeon was really neat so a second one like that would be welcome at least.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 15, 2016, 01:32:26 PM
I don't give a flying fuck about Final Fantasy in general

BURN YOU WRETCHED SCUM! BUUUUURNNN!!!!  :flamingv:

sorry couldn't resist
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 15, 2016, 01:41:41 PM
Since nobody mentioned it:

If there's going to be an MP card in the FF Collab, it's highly likely going to be Cecil. He's the only card who doesn't need to evolve, he can directly ultimate evolution. Split ult, one his Dark Knight form and the other his Paladin form.

There will be a 2nd FF Collab dungeon covering the other games not covered by the other dungeon.

If he's good, I'll buy him. FFIV is my all-time favorite FF, and if he's got split ult, that means he may be versatile-- essentially 2 MP cards in one!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 15, 2016, 02:40:47 PM
New things Added in JP 9.0:

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2016, 02:47:26 PM
BURN YOU WRETCHED SCUM! BUUUUURNNN!!!!  :flamingv:

sorry couldn't resist

Sorry, I only have time to play good games.

I didn't get in on the ground floor so I don't have the necessary nostalgia blindness to enjoy this franchise.

Final Fantasy VII is lucky we have Bethesda to save it from the dubious title of "worst hype to merit ratio in games".

I really liked Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.

JRPGs are not my genre as a rule. It takes a really particular kind of game (Persona, basically, and even then the RPG elements are the weakest part of the game in my opinion) to grab my attention. I find they just really clash with my deep-seated tabletop RPG preferences.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 15, 2016, 03:08:42 PM
Even in absolute darkness there is light.
BLACKLIGHT CANNON... FIRE!!!

(https://imgur.com/SIqd6rY.jpg)


"This is all thanks to me."-Rose


This fanfiction has been brought to you by eight grader syndrome and Final Fantasy Tactics.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 15, 2016, 03:15:40 PM
chuuni stuff

this is all i could see

(http://i.imgur.com/w1Ok4U4.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2016, 03:22:57 PM
this is all i could see

(http://i.imgur.com/w1Ok4U4.png)

Oh god dammit that made me snort Diet Coke out my nose at my desk. Ha ha ow.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 15, 2016, 03:25:21 PM
JRPGs are not my genre as a rule.

Well, that explain a lot. Not much point in playing a game if you dislike the very concept behind it.
I am not up-to-date with the latest FF games so i cannot comment on how the franchise is right now, but i utterly love JRPG/RPG and story-driven games. I put FF7 and FF8 in my personal top10 of greatest games of all times, but like any game they are far from perfect  :V

Anyone have a right to their preferences  ;) Even if i don't like them, i know there are millions of people who likes Resident Evil or GTA.....

EDIT: CHIREIIIII!! HAHAHA XDDD
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 15, 2016, 04:18:55 PM
Oh god dammit that made me snort Diet Coke out my nose at my desk. Ha ha ow.

ur welcome
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 15, 2016, 04:25:39 PM
I dunno, i can't seem to get into FF7, FF6 must have stolen the spot first.

Also, WHY AERITH DIDN'T BLEED, YET SEPIROTH DID ? Did she stay alive still at that moment.....?"

And now i have a big jealousy towards Moogs, he/she/dunno has all the Light/Healer cards i wish i had in one team....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 15, 2016, 04:34:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UkCLyyO.jpg)
This is what it means to be a dog.

One dog allowed only.

I don't have any more Purin friends. :c
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 15, 2016, 04:55:48 PM
The following has been translated in the NA client. Note that it's only these four out of all the ults from the 4th ani stream...

-Heroic God-Emperor, Yamato Takeru
-Fervent Monkey King, Sun Wukong
-Cruel Bleak Night Goddess, Pandora

-Prophetic Norn, Skuld
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 15, 2016, 05:15:54 PM
Nice.  I have my mats all ready for uuevo Pandora.

Currently at about 11% in the tournament.  I just straight up don't have a good all-color lead for this (closest is Awoken Sakuya but she's not reliable enough in my experience), so I've been running a physical TPA-heavy Batman team with some success - namely Blodin and Awoken Kagutsuchi carrying the mail whenever there's not enough dark on the board.  I don't have a phys/machine Green or Light with TPA so it's not really ideal, but it's the most progress I've had so far.

... Actually, hm.  GZL isn't phys or machine but with his attack it probably doesn't matter.  I'll try subbing him in.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 15, 2016, 05:18:37 PM
I wonder if my current team has any chance of taking on Athena Descended, just tried a run with Moogs Ammy and got orb trolled and ended up just doing half HP damage to Gigas.

Having a 2000+ Dmg God card that can enhance Light and Wood, having immense synergy with A. Drake will be wonder for me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 15, 2016, 05:25:30 PM
What team are you using again? You shouldn't feel obligated to dive right in, either, if you feel you aren't doing enough damage, either.

Re: Edible
Funny that you say Awoken Kirin isn't reliable, but I still think she's best for the job.

Tack on a Top Droidragon for full jammer resist, cover the rest of your colours and just -combo-. You certainly don't need reliability, you just need her to work -once-

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 15, 2016, 05:44:46 PM
I took her through it twice and got orbtrolled repeatedly each time, even when averaging 6+ combos by the end.  I think it would take more luck than the game's willing to give me to get a higher score with her than what I'm currently running.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 15, 2016, 06:01:49 PM
And now i have a big jealousy towards Moogs, he/she/dunno has all the Light/Healer cards i wish i had in one team....

Try not to yolo so you can roll hard for your target cards when they come up.  I barely got Sandy and Raphael while spending like 50 stones rolling each time
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 15, 2016, 06:10:01 PM
Managed to get 14% with Yomi Dragon. Beats the 70+% I was stuck at. No actives is complete bullshit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 15, 2016, 06:36:47 PM
No actives is a giant middle finger to Awoken Egyptian.
Preemptive jammer fucks over Radra.
Preemptive gravity means no LZL, Zeus & Hera, etc etc
What are you going to do? Run D/L Ascooby Doobis?

I can only see unconditional attack leads like Izanami and Batman working -reliably- but you need some serious dark orb luck to KO Takeminakata, don't you?

I would rather have 3 of RGBL than need 5 dark orbs. I can't even use Zaerogoo on Yomidora to nudge the drop rates in my favor. :/
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 15, 2016, 06:48:34 PM
Every ranking dungeon needs luck

This whole game is just luck luck luck
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 15, 2016, 06:57:30 PM
Every ranking dungeon needs luck

This whole game is just luck luck luck

Well, it could be worse, what if they create a luck stat that influences drop rates and REM/PEM rates even further ? There is always room for more RNG.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2016, 07:07:17 PM
Is anyone else finding that they still don't have urgent dungeons showing up? I've been waiting on full stamina all day for urgent Tamadra dungeons and they're nowhere to be found. What gives?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 15, 2016, 07:07:37 PM
I wonder if my current team has any chance of taking on Athena Descended, just tried a run with Moogs Ammy and got orb trolled and ended up just doing half HP damage to Gigas.

Having a 2000+ Dmg God card that can enhance Light and Wood, having immense synergy with A. Drake will be wonder for me.
I mentioned this before, but it may very well be worth your while to try out a Kali team instead for that dungeon because of all the free time you have. Pair with RaDra or A. Saku if there aren't any.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 15, 2016, 07:13:59 PM
I can only see unconditional attack leads like Izanami and Batman working -reliably- but you need some serious dark orb luck to KO Takeminakata, don't you?

This is why I brought a bunch of alt color leads with dark as a secondary for Bats

Diza lead would work much better, but my few Diza friends vanished.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 15, 2016, 07:21:18 PM
I mentioned this before, but it may very well be worth your while to try out a Kali team instead for that dungeon because of all the free time you have. Pair with RaDra or A. Saku if there aren't any.

Might do the trick, what ticks me off is that i need 20 more coat to evo her !!! I have a ton of evo mats at the box and a ton more that i have to sell for space (looking at you two, Mystic Mask and Keeper of Dark).

I put my Padherder on my signature, take a look if you wish.

Edit: It won't do, i lack the skill/orb changers/luck to do it. :(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Thaws on March 15, 2016, 08:25:40 PM
this is all i could see

(http://i.imgur.com/w1Ok4U4.png)

Omg chirei pls

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2016, 08:27:39 PM
Re: Urgent dungrons. PDX appears to be an hour slow still. My Tamadras that were supposed to be up at 3PM EST popped up at 4PM EST.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2016, 08:34:28 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/2yzbPdw.jpg)

Ha ha wow, I'll take that for 50 stamina any day.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 15, 2016, 09:02:06 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/llo4xRr.jpg)

Testing.... Testing....
Yatta !

I somehow made it this far.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 15, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
Be careful when she gets low...If you see "The end is nigh!", next turn she'lll destroy you to the tune of ~93,000 damage.  Used at I think 10% HP, which if I'm not mistaken is about 400,000-420,000 HP or so. 

Good luck!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 15, 2016, 09:55:17 PM
Be careful when she gets low...If you see "The end is nigh!", next turn she'lll destroy you to the tune of ~93,000 damage.  Used at I think 10% HP. 

Good luck!
That's my fear, she uses it at 15%, and she's just a bit below my Second Card's area in HP, so about ~20% HP, and i think my Max output on her was about 8-9%, so i'm scared as fuck. I wish i had a Menace Card.... or a Gravity to make it a little less heavy, should have taken Hera here.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 15, 2016, 10:16:47 PM
Are you taking full advantage of your Two-Prong Attack awakenings? That can make a huge difference to damage. I don't know what all is evolved and awakened on your team, but at least your friend lead should have them, and I assume a few other things besides. Ideally the setup you want is something like this:

http://pad.dawnglare.com/?s=bGAlZ70

Obviously that's pretty high-execution and requires a perfect board to even attempt, but Kaguya's active can help you get to exactly the right number and even two or three sets of four matches can be a big help.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 15, 2016, 10:45:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/hLNxSj0.jpg)

Victory ! (https://youtu.be/M58LvB3Yv6c)

I had to:
Use Ammy's AS to get the 4x from the LS
Measure Athena's HP bar with a ruler (No, really, i did.) and use the info to slowly chip her to 16-17%.
Use LKali + Wukong AS for starting assault.
Do 2 Light TPAs and 1 for Wood and Fire
Use A. Drake, U. Rider for second assault.
Slight lack of Light made me use Kaguya.
Make a big ass plan to make use of TPAs, Row Awakenings, Combo numbers and some other shit.
Pray.

Man, i need to practice more.
'EoSD Extra':"Nope, you already have to practice me."
Me:"Aww.. :("
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 15, 2016, 10:57:23 PM
By the by. You mentioned a lack of team capacity stopping you from evolving LKali?

Uvo Athena does cost 70 units, so you'll have to rank up a lot to field her over, say, Wukong.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 15, 2016, 11:05:24 PM
I got her to broaden my options, her orb enhance will be wonderful with A. Drake, her Atk is top notch and i REALLY like the art. True, cost will be a problem, but i'll plan something for her.

Now to wait for Izanami (No, not that Stupid DIzanami, the good one for me, who has a lower Drop rate and slightly weaker AS ironically.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Thaws on March 15, 2016, 11:56:01 PM
Source: http://m.gamer.com.tw/forum/C.php?bsn=22153&snA=88612&bpage=1&top=8&ltype=&keyword=

Inheriting skills WILL be a legit tactic against cooldown delays, as long as you've saved enough turns into skill 2, you can still use your skill 1 after being slowed.
Rip people who bought slowdown resist latents

Excess skill boosts WILL count towards your cooldown counter for skill 2. So if your team always had excess sb, well they will be useful now! :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 16, 2016, 12:15:42 AM
time to stack dkalis on dkalis
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 16, 2016, 01:48:47 AM
I know someone here was questioning the value of Neptune Dragon regarding damage, HP, and RCV

(http://i.imgur.com/7yZk6dV.jpg)

Yeah.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 16, 2016, 03:19:57 AM
I know someone here was questioning the value of Neptune Dragon regarding damage, HP, and RCV

(http://i.imgur.com/7yZk6dV.jpg)

Yeah.

I'm not questioning the damage or RCV, they're obviously great no matter what. My problem is his HP which, as we've discussed before, is not a problem if you have the very few optimal subs for him. I still don't. I would hazard a guess that most people don't have more than a couple. He needs very specific, often rare, subs. That's the entirety of my problem.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 16, 2016, 03:21:55 AM
I'm not questioning the damage or RCV, they're obviously great no matter what. My problem is his HP which, as we've discussed before, is not a problem if you have the very few optimal subs for him. I still don't. I would hazard a guess that most people don't have more than a couple. He needs very specific, often rare, subs. That's the entirety of my problem.

A lot of the good subs for Nepdra have a lot of HP already (Andromeda got a shitton of HP in her super ult, Blonia has a massive fuckton of HP, Nepdra himself has a shitton of HP, etc.) but I can see why you would think that. And the HP gets higher with plus eggs. My team there is full hypermax and still 30K with no multiplier. It would be 35k if I replaced my Hermes with a 2nd Blonia.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 16, 2016, 03:29:16 AM
I'm not disagreeing with that, but it's still a tiny sub pool. I don't have Andro despite droppibg like 250 stones chasing her, I don't have Blonia because she's super rare, and I don't have any of the others because I spent like most of my stones scross the entire game chasing Amdro. "His good subs happen to have a lot of HP" is basically equivalent to "his optimal sub pool is optimal" which doesn't do anything for a vast majority of players.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 16, 2016, 03:38:58 AM
It's pretty much the same for Awoken Astaroth too. The only reason I can make her work so well is because I literally have her most ideal subs. Otherwise she'd be a mediocre Raoh knockoff rather than being on his tier or above, depending on what aspect of them you are comparing between.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 16, 2016, 03:44:44 AM
Pretty much the only reason I can make Vishnu work at all is because the REM has blessed me with some pretty great Green Attacker cards. I mean, I have like 3 Meimeis.

WHICH DOESN'T EXACTLY MATTER BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE IN THE SERVER PLAYS VISHNU but okay :fail:

That's one of the big problems in general though, you need very specifically optimal subs to make some leaders work, and if you don't got them you ain't setting foot on the endgame. At least for the most part, Chirei's Alraune and CCool's Gabriel prove that burst isn't the only answer (it's just the very, very, very encouraged answer.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 16, 2016, 04:04:46 AM
20 runs 0 tama invades

Luck luck luck luck
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 16, 2016, 04:21:40 AM
It's pretty much the same for Awoken Astaroth too. The only reason I can make her work so well is because I literally have her most ideal subs. Otherwise she'd be a mediocre Raoh knockoff rather than being on his tier or above, depending on what aspect of them you are comparing between.

pls giff michael ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 16, 2016, 06:11:23 AM
Pretty much the only reason I can make Vishnu work at all is because the REM has blessed me with some pretty great Green Attacker cards. I mean, I have like 3 Meimeis.

You can make vishnu work because he's very flexible for what he does. :v

I can tell you my jp team is jank as hell for vishnu but endlessly effective. Vishnu is a very flexible card.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 16, 2016, 06:55:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7GhwwefXY0

lol. 3 delays. smh

(Rukia w/ Giga Gravity, A.Isis w/ Force, Nut w/ Abyss Storm Ring)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 16, 2016, 08:25:51 AM
You can make vishnu work because he's very flexible for what he does. :v

I can tell you my jp team is jank as hell for vishnu but endlessly effective. Vishnu is a very flexible card.

idk man.

I mean, theoretically you can make Vishnu work with 4 Leezas but

should you?

(I get what you mean though, Green Attacker is a pretty flexible archetype despite being so REM-heavy.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 16, 2016, 10:14:23 AM
(I get what you mean though, Green Attacker is a pretty flexible archetype despite being so REM-heavy.)

no you missed it so i'll rephrase

there are two attackers on my team

only one is vishnu.

color leads do not have actual type requirements and should not be treated as such at any point
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 16, 2016, 11:16:04 AM
Inheriting skills WILL be a legit tactic against cooldown delays, as long as you've saved enough turns into skill 2, you can still use your skill 1 after being slowed.
Rip people who bought slowdown resist latents

Wait, wait, let me check if i got this right..... let say i equip Ronia onto Lkali

Does it means i can theoretically eat up a 12-turns skill delay (if Ronia's AS is fully charged) and still be able to use Lkali's active?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 16, 2016, 12:17:00 PM
Well, PAD Radar's being released tomorrow.

YamaP hasn't responded to my tweet about if this will work outside of Japan region (since it uses GPS), so I guess we'll find out tomorrow.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 16, 2016, 12:42:55 PM
you should all
do the Gunma collaboration
It's two stones for 50,000 coins how good can it get?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 16, 2016, 12:48:21 PM
Oh weird, I got a Grisar invade on the master difficulty of Tengu. Anyone have any idea what the master invage rate is? Can't be that high I imagine.

Edit: Goddamn, he seemed to be full strength too. That could throw you for a real loop if you weren't up to mythic yet.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 16, 2016, 12:50:42 PM
I hadn't checked the ff update yet but ooh, adding the villains is a great idea. Especially Jecht's aeon form, I'm glad they went with that. This is essentially turning into like a dissidia collab or something.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 16, 2016, 01:38:34 PM
Oh weird, I got a Grisar invade on the master difficulty of Tengu. Anyone have any idea what the master invage rate is? Can't be that high I imagine.

Edit: Goddamn, he seemed to be full strength too. That could throw you for a real loop if you weren't up to mythic yet.
Stronger than normal, even from what I heard elsewhere.  He survived someone's 12.6m salvo supposedly I think?  Even being at normal Mythical level is ridiculous though. What the heck GH?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 16, 2016, 01:42:49 PM
Yeah that tracks, he did survive some surprising shit. I thought that was just early mornibg suckage on my part, glad to hear that's not the case. If I had known I wouldn't have held anything back, but fortunately he gives you a while.

I guess they figured that bevause he was in one of those type-boosting dungeons everyone would have amazing stats and they could afford to make him harder.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 16, 2016, 01:48:44 PM
In any case he has NO business being in a freaking MASTER dungeon, or even Legend.  Messed up stuff, that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 16, 2016, 03:09:31 PM
In any case he has NO business being in a freaking MASTER dungeon, or even Legend.  Messed up stuff, that.

Are we talking of the same company here? The company which put full-powered Chinese invades in COST-RESTRICTED DUNGEONS?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 16, 2016, 03:21:48 PM
They do have some semblance of mercy. Iirc, the China girl invades in Corpse Dragon could use neither their preemptive nor their GTFO attack.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 16, 2016, 03:34:04 PM
There we are.  6.2%.

Basically an optimal speedrun, but I could improve it with higher combo average.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 16, 2016, 04:06:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ecS5NIP.png) (http://i.imgur.com/VIaRUnm.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 16, 2016, 04:38:17 PM
alraune got Big
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 16, 2016, 05:18:49 PM
On a similar note.

(http://imgur.com/whCnPB8.jpg)

There's Big Blue, then there's Huge Blue, and I guess this is Huger Blue. Not Biggest Blue though, I supposed that would be Noah/Noah.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 16, 2016, 07:05:54 PM
Hey does anyone know when i can get the next TAMADRA dungeon ? I haven't seen one in a while.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 16, 2016, 07:14:09 PM
I think there was one yesterday or the day befote or so...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 16, 2016, 07:16:19 PM
They do have some semblance of mercy. Iirc, the China girl invades in Corpse Dragon could use neither their preemptive nor their GTFO attack.
No, that's just the mechanics of the stage.  DZombie is a Normal Dungeon, so nothing can use skills.

Edit: whoops doubleposted.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 16, 2016, 07:29:19 PM
Hey does anyone know when i can get the next TAMADRA dungeon ? I haven't seen one in a while.

Yeah that was yesterday. The time was off too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 16, 2016, 07:40:08 PM
Yeah that was yesterday. The time was off too.

           ?____?
:V//   

Welp, there goes a table. :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 16, 2016, 07:49:30 PM
You could always buy it from coin dungeons...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 16, 2016, 08:10:21 PM
Screw Izanami

Im just going to farm latent gurellas instead

At least then even if I get unlucky I get a bunch of other latents to mess around with and stuff onto my other cards

Also it's not 5x4 fuck that shit
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Thaws on March 16, 2016, 10:02:26 PM
Skill inherit hype!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILU1euR8A5A

Someone cleared arena 2 with Bastet!
And that's with encountering the most terrifying combination of Vishnu->Ilsix!
It is a JP-only strat though, because both bastets inherited Baggi for Baggi loop, Gravity on Vishnu, and Force on Osiris.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 16, 2016, 10:37:06 PM
Pardon me, just going to colonvee to myself for a few hours.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 16, 2016, 11:09:55 PM
Don't get ahead of yourself edible cause theres still no baggi in sight for us
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 17, 2016, 01:29:54 AM
Arena 2 more like arena2ez (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zJBjXnbFLE&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 17, 2016, 01:44:20 AM
Well when you've got access to the full PAD lineup and a bunch of linked skills and a ridiculous RaDra team, I bet it WOULD be!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 17, 2016, 02:36:36 AM
Arena 2 more like arena2ez (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zJBjXnbFLE&feature=youtu.be)

anything's easy when you have a bajillion delays that are like 4 or 5 turns long
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 17, 2016, 11:43:38 AM
SEPHIROTH IS HERE!!!!

"POWER!!!! UNLIMITED POWERRRRRRR!!!!!!!"

AS: Full board enhance + 2-turn haste

LS: 3x ATK and 1.5x RCV to Attackers AND DEVILS. 2x ATK when attacking with 4 attributes, 3x ATK for 5 attributes. (dual Seph: 81x)

Machine Killer added and second highest base atk after Mecha Zeus (2302)


My only complains:
- they could have given him a bit more RCV instead of HP
- NO SBR will be a pain to deal with
- he cannot use either of the Kalis..... Skill inheritance incoming? HOLY CRAP I AM WRONG. HKALI IS DEVIL! 300k MP are already reserved.  :V

For once, GOOD JOB GH. Seph is finally viable!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 17, 2016, 01:18:13 PM
Of course yuna only gets a TE when cloud and Sephiroth get killers :v

She's just Easier Sakuya with no bind removal mitigation and that's... really underwhelming. :(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 17, 2016, 02:03:25 PM
Yeah, collabs are a real tossup between "better version of something that already exists" and "worse version of something that already exists". Lot of room for disappointment.

That said, plz buff Eva Collab with across-the-board God Killers Gungho. It won't make them what I want them to be, but at least it would be thematic.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Yukarin on March 17, 2016, 02:49:39 PM
Once again, if I may ask someone to make my Sakuya glowing golden, I'd appreciate it haha
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 17, 2016, 03:45:52 PM
She's just Easier Sakuya with no bind removal mitigation and that's... really underwhelming. :(

Her LS is legitimately far better in the end. Lower combo count (and with 2 te per lead, even 7c feels easy), far more team flexibility, much less chance of orb troll... If It was based off of LS alone, I'd pick Yuna in a fucking heart beat. 8x with easy 4 color? God damn.

Except her awakenings REALLY hurt her. The fuck did you -have- to give her only one awakening for? >:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 17, 2016, 04:09:50 PM
Of course yuna only gets a TE when cloud and Sephiroth get killers :v

She's just Easier Sakuya with no bind removal mitigation and that's... really underwhelming. :(

She does have built in shield still and that's no joke with that mult. She can still sub sakuya for bindclear+gravity too.

Machine Killer added and second highest base atk after Mecha Zeus (2302)

But he has machine killer so he owns mech zeus...

sfrt now the atk king smh.... what happened to this game
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 17, 2016, 04:24:03 PM
sfrt now the atk king smh.... what happened to this game

Well, Sephiroth's fighting style isn't exactly "delicate fencing and pirouettes".... more like "i slice up buildings half a mile away like butter with my 3m-long sword"

..... thinking about it, it's not like Cloud is much different... he is even more punk with that lump of metal he calls sword....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 17, 2016, 05:01:12 PM
Once again, if I may ask someone to make my Sakuya glowing golden, I'd appreciate it haha

Whoops.  On it.

Edit: So like... am I ever going to use 4 Kalis for anything?  I barely even use the one I have max level/skill/awoken.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 17, 2016, 05:36:48 PM
Edit: So like... am I ever going to use 4 Kalis for anything?  I barely even use the one I have max level/skill/awoken.

Four is complete overkill tbh. I mean, you could 4 kali+filler team it, but...

2 seems like best amount to keep in the immediate imo
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 17, 2016, 05:40:03 PM
Whoops.  On it.

Edit: So like... am I ever going to use 4 Kalis for anything?  I barely even use the one I have max level/skill/awoken.

Two is probably enough. Three isn't strictly necessary but it bice to have. Four is almost definitely too many. I've used teams with all of those numbers, and three is my preference.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 17, 2016, 05:48:19 PM
Whoops.  On it.

Edit: So like... am I ever going to use 4 Kalis for anything?  I barely even use the one I have max level/skill/awoken.

skill transfer onto awoken ra/sfrt

Well, Sephiroth's fighting style isn't exactly "delicate fencing and pirouettes".... more like "i slice up buildings half a mile away like butter with my 3m-long sword"

..... thinking about it, it's not like Cloud is much different... he is even more punk with that lump of metal he calls sword....

I may be horribly biased because this is more or less my first exposure to sephiroth ever (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA9cgHYv90s)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 17, 2016, 06:20:31 PM
Well of course Seph will have Machine Killer and Cloud Devil Killer.  They need to be extra effective against each other after all, do they not?  What with the whole eternally locked in battle dealie if Kingdom Hearts is to be followed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 17, 2016, 07:36:30 PM
She does have built in shield still and that's no joke with that mult. She can still sub sakuya for bindclear+gravity too.

But he has machine killer so he owns mech zeus...

sfrt now the atk king smh.... what happened to this game

I suppose that's true-- and it's easier to hit Yuna's cap than it is to hit Sakuya's (let's be real, you're not pulling constant 9/10 combos with her)-- and even then your damage is limited by not always being able to do TPAs. Yuna lets me do it with 4 colors, which allows for rows and TPAs.

I mean, I'm still not really impressed because wow you can do better than just an extra TE, but I may finish skilling her up.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 17, 2016, 07:41:29 PM
I suppose that's true-- and it's easier to hit Yuna's cap than it is to hit Sakuya's (let's be real, you're not pulling constant 9/10 combos with her)-- and even then your damage is limited by not always being able to do TPAs. Yuna lets me do it with 4 colors, which allows for rows and TPAs.

I mean, I'm still not really impressed because wow you can do better than just an extra TE, but I may finish skilling her up.

Honestly to put my thoughts succintly, it's a good enough upgrade i'll start using her on JP again, but nowhere near what she needed to be a 'top lead'.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 17, 2016, 08:03:00 PM
#giveyunathejugglertreatment2k16
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Janitor Morgan on March 17, 2016, 09:40:16 PM
I'll need to do some more poking around about things I could use skill inheritance with, because I had an idea that was shot down on the basis of NY Tengu only being 4*. ;_;

Zaerog Infinity might have been a bit more manageable for me if I could do the following:
-- Lucifer + Sunburst Knuckle
-- Sleeping Beauty + Ultra Gravity
-- Zeus & Hera + ???
-- another Zeus & Hera + ???
-- G/D Meimei + Dance of the Great Tengu

Not sure what the friend leader would have as the inherited skill (or if it'd even be another Lucifer), but at least Sunburst Knuckle would allow me to cheese the super kings. The problem spots then become "can I burst down Heavy Metal Dragon without resolve" and "can I burst down Z8 at all, even with that much gravity + Meimei's multiplier/Dragon Killer" since he resists dark.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 17, 2016, 10:12:01 PM
#giveyunathejugglertreatment2k16

So you want her to get a ridiculous multiplier for matching several different combos of hearts?

And that reminds me, did Gadius ever take off? I remember his biggest selling point was basically "Juggler with +2 rows" but nobody seems to talk about him. Or Typhon for that matter.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 17, 2016, 10:53:06 PM
So you want her to get a ridiculous multiplier for matching several different combos of hearts?

And that reminds me, did Gadius ever take off? I remember his biggest selling point was basically "Juggler with +2 rows" but nobody seems to talk about him. Or Typhon for that matter.

My Gadius friend doesn't level him up ! AGHHH !
Also, my Amaterasu friends have faded, now i only have DrRawr and Moogs, neither of which have them on for now...
Maybe i should find some on the forums.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 17, 2016, 10:58:30 PM
And that reminds me, did Gadius ever take off? I remember his biggest selling point was basically "Juggler with +2 rows" but nobody seems to talk about him. Or Typhon for that matter.

Solidly no. uriel didn't get swole for a while, so he didn't have a proper pandora-like. He was good, but good isn't always good enough.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 17, 2016, 11:00:06 PM
Everyone jumped ship from gadius to Typhon since he can use awoken Pandora and akechi and be good simply because of op subs
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 18, 2016, 12:12:05 AM
3 months ago....

Quote from: Espadas
Ok, i give up. Paradise of the Holy Beasts Challenge Mode is out of my ability/luck. 3rd time and again i didn't even reach Kouryu.
Even comboing like i've never done before and spamming actives like fresh water wasn't enough to save me from orbtroll.....

I'll attempt it again in 2 years, when i'll be able to field a leader with static 50x and RCV/HP boost


Sorry Kouryu, even you can't fight powercreep forever..... or to be more precise, even you can't fight A.Pandora  :D

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-03-17-22-08-56_zpsrrwiruwz.png)


Now the problem is figuring out how to do the same to Defoud, Lifive and Ilsix....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 18, 2016, 01:19:04 AM
So you want her to get a ridiculous multiplier for matching several different combos of hearts?

And that reminds me, did Gadius ever take off? I remember his biggest selling point was basically "Juggler with +2 rows" but nobody seems to talk about him. Or Typhon for that matter.

No, I'm just being tongue-in-cheek about wanting one of my fave FF characters to have a less lackluster upgrade :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 18, 2016, 01:26:35 AM
Izanami Descended Creators:

1:"So how do we do Floor 1 ?"
2:"Easy, we put 2 monsters with preemptives, one being a pitch black field effect, then we give 2 turns for the player to see if the RNG has mercy on them and gives them enough orbs to work with, if they don't, then they have to endure a -99% gravity and a 5k attack to top the cake, done.
1:"Well, this way we'll make some people really mad."


They sure did..... and i didn't even get Izanami....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 18, 2016, 01:58:40 AM
Squall ult pls. He's the one I rolled.

Izanami Descended Creators:

1:"So how do we do Floor 1 ?"
2:"Easy, we put 2 monsters with preemptives, one being a pitch black field effect, then we give 2 turns for the player to see if the RNG has mercy on them and gives them enough orbs to work with, if they don't, then they have to endure a -99% gravity and a 5k attack to top the cake, done.
1:"Well, this way we'll make some people really mad."


They sure did..... and i didn't even get Izanami....

You should have seen that dungeon before they nerfed Light Izanami. That was bullshit. The best part was that they didn't make SBRs yet either.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 18, 2016, 03:30:26 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/eyaEl8I.jpg)
Gimme that goddamn star already ahsga fuck izanami
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 18, 2016, 04:10:52 AM
I hope I never have to touch this disgusting mp dragon again.

(http://i.imgur.com/uJrwr7E.png) (http://i.imgur.com/RiQiA03.png)

thanks skmr
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 18, 2016, 04:41:46 AM
Lmao Lightening

I think what youre supposed to do with all these collab dkali clones is stick them onto dkalis so you get both skill delay resist and the extra effect bonus if you stall long enough :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 18, 2016, 05:37:15 AM
Everyone jumped ship from gadius to Typhon since he can use awoken Pandora and akechi and be good simply because of op subs

Typhon also has SBR, while Gadius does not...

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 18, 2016, 06:09:20 AM
Let's Play Arena 2: Because I Have Full Stamina and No Idea What to Do With It Anymore

(http://i.imgur.com/3uh9pR1.png)

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

(http://i.imgur.com/4XAUhe1.png)

what? You wanna try to wall me? nah bruh

(http://i.imgur.com/klnBFqH.png)

why did i try to stall that out

why did i keep coming short of 1.5mil

why did i not use freyja

bruh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 18, 2016, 10:01:15 AM
Raf tests his luck with REM ! Episode 2:

(http://i.imgur.com/PfYNdFZ.png)
*Looks at Saria friend*

(http://i.imgur.com/bRCCU0B.png)
Wood + Mechanical + GFE :D

(http://i.imgur.com/wWnv5zU.png)
*Remembers Hikari* o.o

(http://i.imgur.com/5ELSKMA.png)

:O  Um, did i get lucky ? Is Double Sakuyas a thing ?

Last 2 are a Golem and a Dragon Samurai, no use to me.
I guess this went well ?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 18, 2016, 11:17:20 AM
:O  Um, did i get lucky ? Is Double Sakuyas a thing ?

Last 2 are a Golem and a Dragon Samurai, no use to me.
I guess this went well ?
I cannot think of any sane reason to use dub Sakuyas, though some may find reason to keep both an Awoken and L/G version of her lying around.
But somehow you managed to get Sakuya+LKali this early which makes me most jellyness. Switch to that immediately and steamroll into the endgame.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on March 18, 2016, 02:11:44 PM
Hey, I got an Australis too  :3

(http://i.imgur.com/IB3dEgF.png?1)

And a Typhoon Typhon, which I mean, whatev. Can't even use it yet, at 30 Cost/60 evolved.
With my lame gem count, I should be able to roll again tomorrow, once I finish the 5th Technical Dungeon, which shouldn't be too hard with my new Pollux team, which gets the proc out almost every floor past the first. Because the first floor is when I'm charging my skills.

Just for collectability, I need the REM to give me some true garbage so I can sell them and get LINKA. Because Groove Coaster and JP iTunes accounts.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 18, 2016, 02:28:37 PM
Evolved Cinderella
Gabriel #3
Sleeping Beauty
Green Od-15000 MP

Commandercool, your boyfriend is being promiscuous again... not that I mind.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on March 18, 2016, 02:33:19 PM
The Fairy Tale series pets seem to be good for their standard Skills, but not so much as leaders. You can usually find something more efficient than Color->Heart->Your Color. That said, Fairy Tale draws aren't half-bad at all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 18, 2016, 02:37:06 PM
Oh. No, we all understand how cool the fairy tale girls are.

I'm talking about Gabriel trying to hook up with me for the third time. xD
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 18, 2016, 02:40:38 PM
Ok this is getting RIDICULOUS...... only in this game i can be so lucky and yet grumbling.....
Random yoloroll for the GF: ILM, which translate to 50k MP, which is awesome. But then i thought back on my GFE history and i can't help but feel conflicted....

Since beginning the game i rolled:

1x Tsubaki
4x Sumire
4x Godin
1x Rodin
1x Blodin
1x Ronia
1x Blonia
1x Urd
2x Verdandi
3x LKali
1x Gadius
1x Ilm
1x Saria
1x Scheat
2x GZL (when he still was GFE)
4x GGY (when he still was GFE)

then you add the rolls i actually care about, namely the dark ones:

3x Dmeta
1x Dkali
1x Typhon

I should hide my face in shame at being so lucky! And yet all i want are Satsuki, Zuoh (Eschamali is only a dream) and the dark pantheons i miss.....

WHY DO YOU KEEP GIVING ME 6* WHEN I WANT THE 5*?!?!?

(if anyone feels like tossing bricks at me for complaining about being lucky..... you are totally right  :V)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 18, 2016, 02:42:33 PM
Did three pulls hoping for some husbandos for my husbando.

-Sixth Urd
-Exa-Hydra
-Ars Nova

Meh. Keeping the hydra for inheritance, Ars Nova kind of cool I guess, Urd goes in the trashcan.

Evolved Cinderella
Gabriel #3
Sleeping Beauty
Green Od-15000 MP

Commandercool, your boyfriend is being promiscuous again... not that I mind.

You better treat that husbando right. Ultramax that shit. All three of them.

And once again re: Fairytale Girls, I own an ultramax Snow White, so yeah I like her at least.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 18, 2016, 02:59:12 PM
I have no water jewels for some reason.

6 runs I encounter everyone except Karin of course

Also fuck the rem I'm not touching that shit
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 18, 2016, 03:37:37 PM
Four rolls, hopefully one more tomorrow.

-Masamune(oh hey it's the other Karin-compliant weapon.  I have almost all four semiuseful ones now.  Isn't it sad, Claymore?  Also maybe I can use you when Awoken Artemis is a thing here?  I dunno)
-Dupe water dragon swordsman(3000 MP richer there)
-Tsubaki(on one hand yay GFE I didmt have, on the other "what the heck do I use you for?")
-Dupe Indra(5000 MP)

A less than amazing result to be sure, but I guess it coulda been worse.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 18, 2016, 07:37:11 PM
Goes do some REM Simulator.
*Rolls*
*Reads Commander`s Husbando craze on Gabriel.*
*Goes back and sees Gabriel.*
"Oh hi, i was just thinking about you.But Raphael is still better... after all it`s me in the game.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 18, 2016, 09:13:04 PM
I'm yolorolling tomorrow since I ALREADY HAVE ALL ARCHANGELS IMCLUDING 3 GABES.

Jesus CCool is it just me or does Gabe get around? Not that I mind, he's a true gentleman.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 18, 2016, 09:17:51 PM
Woah Typhon sells for 50k hey heyo. So hey Typhon I know you're new to the party and I'd invite you in but that price tag on your head would line my wallet with a nice lace of silver and my Pandora wants a new dress and etc etc.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 18, 2016, 09:28:13 PM
I'm yolorolling tomorrow since I ALREADY HAVE ALL ARCHANGELS IMCLUDING 3 GABES.

Jesus CCool is it just me or does Gabe get around? Not that I mind, he's a true gentleman.

Spread the love, motherfuckers.

If I could run 6x Gabriel I would.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 18, 2016, 09:41:54 PM
Spread the love, motherfuckers.
NEVER ! Raphael and Amaterasu will never leave my heart !

Also, GungHo, is this even possible ? (http://puzzledragonx.com/en/mission.asp?m=1456)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 18, 2016, 09:44:21 PM
I already have a Gabe, so I don't need to roll. I wouldn't Micheal though. Maybe if it was a green gala.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 18, 2016, 10:25:30 PM
I'm at a con right now and every vendor has those badass Valkyrie figures. I've been going booth to booth asking everyone if they have a blue one, and people keep telling me "Nobody wants that one so we don't even stock it".

Blue for worst color 2016. :(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 18, 2016, 10:28:27 PM
I'm at a con right now and every vendor has those badass Valkyrie figures. I've been going booth to booth asking everyone if they have a blue one, and people keep telling me "Nobody wants that one so we don't even stock it".

Blue for worst color 2016. :(
What ?!? Now i have to agree with you, i find her Awesome ! That`s Attribute Racism ! Call GungHo !
If anything, Red Worst Color 2016.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 18, 2016, 10:41:06 PM
I'm at a con right now and every vendor has those badass Valkyrie figures. I've been going booth to booth asking everyone if they have a blue one, and people keep telling me "Nobody wants that one so we don't even stock it".

Blue for worst color 2016. :(
http://www.amazon.com/Eikoh-Puzzle-Dragons-Graceful-Collection/dp/B015C10XVM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458340719&sr=8-1&keywords=puzzle+dragons+valkyrie

You're welcome.  = D  All five of em are available for similar prices, too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 18, 2016, 10:48:13 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Eikoh-Puzzle-Dragons-Graceful-Collection/dp/B015C10XVM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458340719&sr=8-1&keywords=puzzle+dragons+valkyrie

You're welcome.  = D  All five of em are available for similar prices, too.

I know they're purchasable online, I just have con madness right now. I may still order one.

If anything, Red Worst Color 2016.

All of the bullshit endgame enemies are green though.

Am I forgetting something? What's the most troublesome relevant blue endgame enemy? I can only think of Blue Hera and she's kind of a chump. Maybe I'm being dumb and overlooking a big one.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 18, 2016, 11:03:13 PM
I know they're purchasable online, I just have con madness right now. I may still order one.

All of the bullshit endgame enemies are green though.

Am I forgetting something? What's the most troublesome relevant blue endgame enemy? I can only think of Blue Hera and she's kind of a chump. Maybe I'm being dumb and overlooking a big one.
Illsix? Zhou Yu can be a dick too.

Kalis being red probably sucks a lot for green too. They also have lifive to deal with too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 18, 2016, 11:23:34 PM
I'm at a con right now and every vendor has those badass Valkyrie figures. I've been going booth to booth asking everyone if they have a blue one, and people keep telling me "Nobody wants that one so we don't even stock it".

Those assholes don't appreciate short haired armor girls
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 18, 2016, 11:36:22 PM
Illsix? Zhou Yu can be a dick too.

Kalis being red probably sucks a lot for green too. They also have lifive to deal with too.

Oh yup, Ilsix is it. There you go. He's just started to crop up in dungeons outside of his own so I forgot him. That's valid.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 19, 2016, 01:45:24 AM
All of the bullshit endgame enemies are green though.

Am I forgetting something? What's the most troublesome relevant blue endgame enemy? I can only think of Blue Hera and she's kind of a chump. Maybe I'm being dumb and overlooking a big one.

Red's issue is severely lacking in utility. Though skill inheritance might fix that a little bit, the core problem still remains. Your only long duration shields are Phoenix Rider and Red Golem, the former which currently can't be skilled up without piis in NA, your only natural bind-immune bind-clear is R/B Amenouzume, your only long-duration delay is XMAS Echidna (since Cao Cao is only 1 turn delay and Yian Kut-ku/Mr. Satan 2 turn delay is JP only), armor break is to Kagu/A.Shiva/Shiva/A.Minerva. Really not that many options. Red is very good farming color but they don't have many leads strong enough to tackle Arena 2.0 without asking for more sub slots than 4. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 19, 2016, 01:50:49 AM
your only natural bind-immune bind-clear is R/B Amenouzume

no one likes red riding hood ;;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 19, 2016, 02:06:17 AM
Blue has the same or worse options in many of those categories. Maybe it's different in JP, but they're both sparsely supported. At least red has Phoenix Rider.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 19, 2016, 03:11:52 AM
Decided to do two more pulls because I was bored.

-Lemon Dragon
-Duplicate Orochi

I just pulled a Zeta Hydra for I heritance and I own a hypermax Awoken Orochi. Can you think of a reason to not sell this one?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 19, 2016, 03:12:54 AM
It took 20 runs to get Karin

This game is so rigged it's unbelievable
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 19, 2016, 03:19:07 AM
It took 20 runs to get Karin

This game is so rigged it's unbelievable
We knew the risks when we joined, and your PADherder is lengthy to say the least. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Dr Rawr on March 19, 2016, 03:21:36 AM
Oh boy I got a Fenrir, thoughts on selling him?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 19, 2016, 03:24:20 AM
no one likes red riding hood ;;

Durrh, totally forgot about her ;;

Shows how much I care about Silvers lol

Blue has the same or worse options in many of those categories. Maybe it's different in JP, but they're both sparsely supported. At least red has Phoenix Rider.

Blue in JP has Baggi, but most of time when it comes to Blue, most teams have 30K HP and a huge RCV multiplier to support not getting splat in one hit, see: Izuizu+Ryune, Blonia, Nepdra, etc. And Blue has a lot of bindclears in JP that you can use. Blue is way tankier than Red so you can afford to not have shields. Red don't have the same distribution of high HP cards.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 19, 2016, 03:27:51 AM
Rawr:  Jammer meta isn't super big here yet; if he's not a dupe I'd say still don't sell though simply as a rule for almost any REM card.  RGB Constellation 2.0s make jammers(and their color, 3 of each) at a max of 3 cooldown(but not being dark they're merely stopgaps atm) but beyond that support for it is still shaky.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 19, 2016, 08:46:26 AM
It took 20 runs to get Karin

This game is so rigged it's unbelievable

You used 1000 stamina for a water jewel?.....
Do you have something obscenely powerful that finally complete your hypemax endgame team that need that jewel? Because if not you got ripped off big time.... you would have been better off waiting the next challenge and spend a tenth of that......
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 19, 2016, 01:04:41 PM
It was for my second awoken Isis

So I had to


Also Zeus dragon

100 MILLION HP

+ 20 million damage absorb aka fuck off gravity and anubis
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: qMyon on March 19, 2016, 01:18:12 PM
Roll 3 times -

Hathor dupe
Arcline
Apollo

What are the chances of getting nothing but Light festival stuffs instead of Godfest stuff?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 19, 2016, 01:45:26 PM
I also rolled 3 times and didn't get Orochi but got Exa-Hydra.  I'll take it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 19, 2016, 02:29:32 PM
I rolled again today.

Got a card called Nut.
It`s no Amaterasu or Skuld, but it`s still good.
Seriously, i really want one of those. But Non-IAP + REM Rates screw me over.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 19, 2016, 02:39:17 PM
Skuld is a 6* GFE so she will be REALLY HARD to get.  Ive been wanting one for many months to no avail myself.  (Along with basically every other water 6* GFE, haha)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 19, 2016, 02:53:26 PM
Oh hey ultimate arena is up.
Oh hey the moon is up outside too even though it's morning but I don't own any spaceships that can take me there and back.
Oh hey ultimate arena is up.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 19, 2016, 03:22:13 PM
FUCK
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 19, 2016, 03:22:17 PM
SOPDET
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 19, 2016, 04:16:58 PM
Got the second Dark Mechanical star goddess today. Hamal?

She's a cutie. For one extra turn of CD, she seems like an objectively better Persephone in terms of active skill.

Hell. Between Castor and Hamal, I might have subs for a Hysferzen team.

Hysferzen/Castor/Hamal/Deus Ex Machina(!!!!!)/???/Hysferzen

oh. The best sub for that last spot is Eschamali. Whelp.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 19, 2016, 04:22:44 PM
Got one more roll in the end.

>Ruka

Yeah, that sounds about right for me and scrounged up rolls.  I might try for one final one today anyway since I think I can just baaaarely pull it off.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 19, 2016, 04:34:09 PM
Did a couple "just because" rolls since we probably won't get the new FF collab for a while

1. Laila #20X6
2. Kaede #3

...should I sell her or just make a damned Kaede system?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 19, 2016, 04:42:35 PM
If we do get FF i hope we get the other ver too cause every radra arena 2 run ive seen uses fencer active
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on March 19, 2016, 06:05:21 PM
[10:56:03] <aUsernameIsFineToo> @choose yolo or it's not worth it
[10:56:05] <@Keine-tan> aUsernameIsFineToo: I choose...yolo! ^_^V
(https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B0k2U6aV60UXc1hnd0ZMV2UwSU0)
Worth it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 19, 2016, 06:15:27 PM
[10:56:03] <aUsernameIsFineToo> @choose yolo or it's not worth it
[10:56:05] <@Keine-tan> aUsernameIsFineToo: I choose...yolo! ^_^V
(https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0B0k2U6aV60UXc1hnd0ZMV2UwSU0)
Worth it.

Lend me some stones ! I must get my Amaterasu possible Waifu or Skuld possible Waifu !

Also, does Algedi and Australis go along on a team ?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on March 19, 2016, 06:24:59 PM
Also, does Algedi and Australis go along on a team ?
I'm not sure, especially since the difference in their AS cool down is quite large. Even then, combining their skills would be a bad thing since you convert way too many orbs into wood, which decreases the maximum combo you can get from the board.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 19, 2016, 08:30:47 PM
jesus Ra dragon with Carat hits for 10 million per sub

and now there's a new Muse to chase :persona:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 19, 2016, 08:53:53 PM
jesus Ra dragon with Carat hits for 10 million per sub

and now there's a new Muse to chase :persona:

Is Carat really that useful for Radra? I mean, Radra teams can already overkill basically anything on demand, so what would be the use of an even higher burst? Not to mention, what would you switch out for her?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 19, 2016, 09:13:03 PM
you replace no one cause skill inheritance :V

the burst if for the insane bosses like Kali, mech zeus/hera, and the new fangled 100000000 hp zeus dragon
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 19, 2016, 09:54:23 PM
you replace no one cause skill inheritance :V

the burst if for the insane bosses like Kali, mech zeus/hera, and the new fangled 100000000 hp zeus dragon

Welp, need to change my mindset to keep in mind skill inheritance is actually a thing  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 19, 2016, 11:59:51 PM
its a game changer seriously

like you never have to run low stat cards like the fairy tales since you just inherit their skills

the materials are also easy to get from their dungeon so it's not a whale option at all
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Pesco on March 20, 2016, 01:05:42 AM
Got the second Dark Mechanical star goddess today. Hamal?

She's a cutie. For one extra turn of CD, she seems like an objectively better Persephone in terms of active skill.

Hell. Between Castor and Hamal, I might have subs for a Hysferzen team.

Hysferzen/Castor/Hamal/Deus Ex Machina(!!!!!)/???/Hysferzen

oh. The best sub for that last spot is Eschamali. Whelp.

I got a Hysferzen for you if you make that team
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 20, 2016, 01:15:30 AM
I got a Hysferzen for you if you make that team

yo we're going to be
THE FIRST HYSFERZEN USERS IN NA I'M SURE OF IT

I noticed that the three light golems and star gods also have the  R/G/B trio to them. But I own neither of the light stars so.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 20, 2016, 02:05:28 AM
If we do get FF i hope we get the other ver too cause every radra arena 2 run ive seen uses fencer active

FFCD isn't going to NA, if NA already got the first FF collab but none of the FFCD collabs, NA isn't getting FFCD.

Sorry dude :X
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 20, 2016, 02:11:31 AM
Anyone use APanda (or A Luci, though preferably the former) here? I have an unused best friend sticker I might want to put on someone's shoulder. Preferably here, forum buddies and all, over random internet strangers and all dangers.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 20, 2016, 02:26:43 AM
yo we're going to be
THE FIRST HYSFERZEN USERS IN NA I'M SURE OF IT

I noticed that the three light golems and star gods also have the  R/G/B trio to them. But I own neither of the light stars so.

I have the dark one(forgot who that was), if you guys ever want to do anything.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 20, 2016, 02:44:03 AM
FFCD isn't going to NA, if NA already got the first FF collab but none of the FFCD collabs, NA isn't getting FFCD.

Sorry dude :X
na wins again
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 20, 2016, 04:37:10 AM
This was pretty scary, but first 5x4 allclear!

(http://i.imgur.com/BKS6TO7.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 20, 2016, 04:51:57 AM
na wins again

In a way
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 20, 2016, 05:02:01 AM
NA has successfully defeated Juggler.  I'd call that a win!  =p

(I kid, I kid)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 20, 2016, 05:09:49 AM
its a game changer seriously

like you never have to run low stat cards like the fairy tales since you just inherit their skills

Three things:

1) Their stats across the board are not as low as you make them out to be
2) Their awakenings aren't even that bad
3) Having the unbind/heartmake first can matter a lot as it will always be faster
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 20, 2016, 09:02:43 AM
For real, fairytale girls are 100% legit in every way now. Sure their stats aren't the absolute best, but their utility when it comes to healing and bind clearing is unmatched-- I don't think there are any other cards able to clear binds AND make hearts at the same time, without even needing to make a row. This means you won't even need to make the row and your turn won't be lost because of it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 20, 2016, 09:11:40 AM
yo we're going to be
THE FIRST HYSFERZEN USERS IN NA I'M SURE OF IT

I noticed that the three light golems and star gods also have the  R/G/B trio to them. But I own neither of the light stars so.

Hysferzen available here too (maxskilled but not maxleveled). Technically i also have Sherospada but it's simply waiting on the chopping block for when i'll finally get Mecha Hera.

Anyone use APanda (or A Luci, though preferably the former) here? I have an unused best friend sticker I might want to put on someone's shoulder. Preferably here, forum buddies and all, over random internet strangers and all dangers.

I use her, but she isn't skilled up yet (Badpys are going to Okuni and Yomidra atm).

This was pretty scary, but first 5x4 allclear!

Grats, and all my envy at dropping BOTH the dark latent and LIza!  ;)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 20, 2016, 10:05:08 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/0AcSTRZ.jpg)

yea fuck you too Shuten-Douji, Resolve+Status Shield is so lazy.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 20, 2016, 11:41:22 AM
Anyone use APanda (or A Luci, though preferably the former) here? I have an unused best friend sticker I might want to put on someone's shoulder. Preferably here, forum buddies and all, over random internet strangers and all dangers.

I do (use Awoken Pandora). She's not hypermax yet, but I can do her next and I've got a pile of +eggs sitting around that she can have. I would also like a hypermax Pandora buddy, so I'd be happy to put her in my best friend slot if you'd be willing to do the same or similar.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 20, 2016, 01:47:35 PM
I do (use Awoken Pandora). She's not hypermax yet, but I can do her next and I've got a pile of +eggs sitting around that she can have. I would also like a hypermax Pandora buddy, so I'd be happy to put her in my best friend slot if you'd be willing to do the same or similar.

If you 2 are ok with this, we could make a bbf triangle. Mine is already 297, just lack skillups
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 20, 2016, 01:53:41 PM
If you 2 are ok with this, we could make a bbf triangle. Mine is already 297, just lack skillups
Oh yeah I guess that could work, that'll depend on whether ccool needs to keep it for husbando besties (or already perpetrated that).
How is everyone getting plusses so quickly btw? She's my next +297 target, already max fed with badpys, where do people farm them?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 20, 2016, 01:58:47 PM
I already used my best friend this cycle on a Ryune, sorry.

I farm +eggs from 10x descends obviously, but a majority of mine came from 5x normals. And then they just tend to trickle in a little from everything. Alts are good.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 20, 2016, 02:03:30 PM
In that case I don't mind being an open edge then, if we do me->espadas->ccool, if espadas still intends to give his out.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 20, 2016, 02:18:57 PM
Nice Lmeta buff there gungho
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 20, 2016, 02:21:19 PM
In that case I don't mind being an open edge then, if we do me->espadas->ccool, if espadas still intends to give his out.

Sure! So, just to be clear: Mea uses her bbf on me and i use mine on ccool?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 20, 2016, 02:38:56 PM
Sure! So, just to be clear: Mea uses her bbf on me and i use mine on ccool?
lol, but yes
If ccool still has some friend space, I want to regular buddy him too
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 20, 2016, 02:49:28 PM
Yeah sure if you send a request I can make space.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 20, 2016, 03:00:22 PM
LZL buffs again
3x attack at less than full HP
6x(!!!!!!!!!!!!!) at full

Can LZL X Awoken Amaterasu finally be a thing?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 20, 2016, 03:06:27 PM
Yeah that totally sounds like a thing honestly.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 20, 2016, 03:12:40 PM
lol, but yes
If ccool still has some friend space, I want to regular buddy him too

I KNEW i would guess wrong  :V
Didn't know if you were male or female but since Mea is usually a female name.....

bbf sent ccool  ;)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 20, 2016, 03:22:47 PM
Thx. I put Panda in my best friend slot and fed her a +125 cabbage. As always, if anyone needs anything particular up in any slot message me. I'll probably be slow on the uptake but I'll do what I can.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 20, 2016, 03:33:51 PM
I KNEW i would guess wrong  :V
Didn't know if you were male or female but since Mea is usually a female name.....

bbf sent ccool  ;)
Well I suppose it does sound feminine, never met one. Mine sent as well. bbf? best best friends?

I don't suppose Bikinitron will get the leader skill buff since she already covers god types too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 20, 2016, 04:52:50 PM
I KNEW i would guess wrong  :V
Didn't know if you were male or female but since Mea is usually a female name.....

bbf sent ccool  ;)
That's why i put he/she when i don't know their gender. :V
And just parachuting in here, but Mea and Commander, would you two mind adding me ?
Your leads seem pretty nice for me (and i don't want to be left out (?w?) ), i might not be as capable as Swords or Chirei or Chaore, but i'll do my best to help !
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 20, 2016, 05:06:23 PM
They buffed lmeta, finally :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 20, 2016, 05:07:10 PM
That's why i put he/she when i don't know their gender. :V
And just parachuting in here, but Mea and Commander, would you two mind adding me ?
Your leads seem pretty nice for me (and i don't want to be left out (?w?) ), i might not be as capable as Swords or Chirei or Chaore, but i'll do my best to help !
I don't see you in the OP, so you can just add me, I made space, my ASaku welcomes you with open arms. Cut through the chains of confusion and rng. Steamroll in to the game beyond the game, that endgame of our dreams. Though I was under the impression I had already been added by you. Maybe that was someone else.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 20, 2016, 05:55:20 PM
i might not be as capable as Swords

Is there someone here called Swords?  :V
Once i start clearing lv10 and rushes, then i'll admit to myself to be decent...... right now i'm still your average player that gets by only because of strong cards  :fail:

EDIT: FINALLY maskilled Persephone! Now i just have to decide which uevo to keep.....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Thaws on March 20, 2016, 06:23:18 PM
https://twitter.com/DaikeYamamoto/status/711557355972927488
https://twitter.com/DaikeYamamoto/status/711562727425060864

YamaP tweets Re:Skuld buff

"Re: Uevo Skuld LS, during testing stage, we found that by using with Nut, etc and clearing 4 or 5 orbs, or clearing 4+5  according to situation, it was very easy to use. But since people are saying this is like a downgrade to the original LS, we will keep reverting the LS as an option in mind."

"Oh I see, not being to use Skuld the way she used to be does make her kinda awkward. Thanks for all your comments, her's LS should probably be original LS+extras afterall, we'll see what to do when the week starts"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 20, 2016, 06:36:22 PM
Can I bring up Shiva here?  Pleeeeease?  Yes he works quite well in his current form, but Awoken Shiva was still a slap in the face to his old usage.

Though this is different I realize, being current form as opposed to a new one.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 20, 2016, 06:53:13 PM
That's why i put he/she when i don't know their gender. :V
And just parachuting in here, but Mea and Commander, would you two mind adding me ?
Your leads seem pretty nice for me (and i don't want to be left out (?w?) ), i might not be as capable as Swords or Chirei or Chaore, but i'll do my best to help !

Send me a request and I'll accept it, and let me know if your in-game name is different.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 20, 2016, 10:20:59 PM
Can I bring up Shiva here?  Pleeeeease?  Yes he works quite well in his current form, but Awoken Shiva was still a slap in the face to his old usage.

Though this is different I realize, being current form as opposed to a new one.

Still applies, I don't think any of the other Awoken Forms had such a drastic change in playstyle. (Please do correct me if I'm wrong.)

I think the only problem is that "not enough people cried about Shiva so he didn't get changed"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 20, 2016, 10:33:44 PM
Send me a request and I'll accept it, and let me know if your in-game name is different.
Roger ! My Nick is different due to limitations, it`s StarlightH.
Can I bring up Shiva here?  Pleeeeease?  Yes he works quite well in his current form, but Awoken Shiva was still a slap in the face to his old usage.

Though this is different I realize, being current form as opposed to a new one.
What was Shiva`s first AS again ?  Reduce defense to zero right ?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 20, 2016, 11:03:41 PM
Old Shiva was a flat 3x ATK for fire types, and he had rows. Old "defense to zero" active skill aside.

New Shiva ran on TPAs and totally messed up everybody who was using the row fire crew like Red Sonia, Yamato Takeru, etc etc
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 21, 2016, 12:38:51 AM
Siiiiiiiiigh ooooohhhh my gosh ok finally I'm done. What started as mere curiosity turned into a project. I was like "ooh, what would be better, APanda+APanda or APanda+ALuci for Arena???" "but hey the PAD calculator doesn't figure in god killer awakenings hmmmmmm". Good bye precious hours, at least it's a weekend I guess.
Here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k7e0wcj27DvprXdQ9lJUGo2dXk-pLb37SZyRW2HJ23E/edit?usp=sharing) it is if you want it, do the make a copy thing in file like the original. I'm going to have the most massive of face palms if anyone tells me someone's already done this. Automatically detects dragon, god, devil, and machine killer awakenings.

e: I guess it doesn't allow for enemies with multiple types right now, guess I'll do that if there's a demand or something or sometime later, it's not a big change.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 21, 2016, 12:53:06 AM
While I've been at the con this weekend I haven't really had the time or battery power to actually play so I've just been entering team challenges of expensive dungeons that I never got around to clearing. Took out Kouryu and Threedia with NepDra. I should go get more Blonia friends and just run NepDra/Blonia/Blonia/Blonia/Blonia/I&I for challenge mode. Or would Blodin ultimately give me more damage than I&I?

Roger ! My Nick is different due to limitations, it`s StarlightH.

Kay, added.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Dr Rawr on March 21, 2016, 12:54:34 AM
First challenge series completed awoken amaterasu 1-5, 8 and awoken sakuya 6, 7, 9, 10
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 21, 2016, 01:17:12 AM
Speaking of which I cleared my first Level 8 Challenge this time around with AHorus. Wasn't all that bad, but breaking through Fatty's Defense on level 9 is impossible for me.

I mean, it wouldn't be if I had Vishnu friends BUT TOO BAD NOBODY FUCKING PLAYS VISHNU :fail:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 21, 2016, 02:24:12 AM
final rank 18%

meh i dont have the energy to care about this anymore, i'm happy with my one crown
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 21, 2016, 09:24:01 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/GRncDEP.jpg)

i feel like I HAVE THE POWER

2 of those subs are only Lv38 lol
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: qMyon on March 21, 2016, 09:47:04 AM
Noob question - Snow Globe Dragons are essentially for feeding exp once maxed, right? Do they have any other use?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 21, 2016, 09:48:23 AM
Subs for Santa Claus.

So yes, just EXP fodder.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 21, 2016, 06:07:32 PM
I used to lead with them back in the day. Good times. Bleu got me my first Valkyrie.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 22, 2016, 02:24:21 AM
I may not play JP, but I can still get SOMETHING from PAD Radar!

(http://i.imgur.com/tApVoHO.png)

(Yes I could have just gone on Reddit or something and downloaded it without the app, but that's lame and boring.)

Now if only I had her actually in-game...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on March 22, 2016, 04:18:55 AM
Yeah backgrounds are pretty much the only reason I have Puzzle Radar; I'm not actually too interested in most of the other stuff, because I can only dump that on my JP account. One thing about it though: I have gotten orbs multiple times from the same spot, so I've been spamming the scan button before I do anything just to squeeze some potential 5 orbs out.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 22, 2016, 04:45:54 AM
It's more effective to do it while you travel or throughout the day if you are mobile.  Getting around will greatly increase orb spawns.  Instead of spamming the button and praying, scan, move a fair bit, scan, repeat until scan charges are empty.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 22, 2016, 11:27:20 AM
Well, what do you know?
(http://i.imgur.com/SvvhVgQ.png)
I guess you start to count from three.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on March 22, 2016, 03:22:21 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/tApVoHO.png)
Oh that looks gorgeous :o
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 22, 2016, 03:43:58 PM
It's just Awoken Astaroth's art on a nice background but her art is so good that it doesnt need anything else.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 22, 2016, 11:01:21 PM
Is there a Valkyrie Rose,a Amaterasu, a Skuld or a Famiel one ? How about Tamadra ones ?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 23, 2016, 12:31:27 AM
There are only super ult Yamato Takeru, ult BSonia, Awoken Astaroth, Zeus Dragon, and Eschamali at the moment, as well as a generic one with some orbs on a radar background or something.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 23, 2016, 12:45:54 AM
Is there a Valkyrie Rose,a Amaterasu, a Skuld or a Famiel one ? How about Tamadra ones ?

not in padr, but they do exist in gungho's giant wallpaper cache, p.sure
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 23, 2016, 01:01:08 AM
http://pad.gungho.jp/member/unei/kabegami.html

Go nuts.  The iOS/Android ones would prob work for normal computers too looking at their resolutions.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 23, 2016, 01:36:55 AM
Weeeeeeeee !
Thank you !
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 24, 2016, 02:57:47 AM
Finally beat scarlet mythical

Volsung was actually 2ez

Linthia though has so much goddamn HP

12 million to take down with no awakenings is dumb

what's even dumber though is I could have stalled out the awakening bind and then popped Dkali but I used her early for no reason...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 24, 2016, 01:16:09 PM
"I can still shine!"

(http://i.imgur.com/8Q0ayei.jpg)

Go back to watching anime.
Nerd.

This guy seems like a legit Fenrir sub. I'll probably skill max him using Pys, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 24, 2016, 01:23:25 PM
Who dat? Is he from that new leveling dungeon that just popped up?

Also, PreDra infestation today for those interested.

I'm kind of surprised Super Pandora still isn't available. Weren't we kind of expecting her last night?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 24, 2016, 01:30:29 PM
Gainaut. I think he just came out, yeah.
He's a real cutie now that I think about it. He's so determined (stubborn) in the way he transforms.

It's so anime, saying "I can still shine!" like that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 24, 2016, 01:37:00 PM
PreDra ? When ?!?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 24, 2016, 01:40:56 PM
Check puzzledragonx.com for details; depends on the group you are in.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 24, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
So i`m group D which means PreDra infestation will appear at 9 PM of my timezone.

And tomorrow we`ll get free Tamadras  and 1 free Magic Stone !
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 24, 2016, 02:14:21 PM
Lol at Folklore in Gainaut's dungeon. "Cattle Mutilation". I want to believe.

Actually Folklore is super cool in general. He's very high on my " PAD's coolest dragons" list. I wish he was more broadly useful, but he technically had a niche once. I guess that makes him more successful than his swappin' brothers.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 24, 2016, 02:42:31 PM
Noah + Folklore OTP

it's kinda the antithesis of Gabriel and Beyzul, huh?

I refuse to believe that Gabriel is cattle, though. <3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 24, 2016, 03:32:50 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/EblPkNM.jpg)

Easiest one of these yet, I'd say. It was pretty slow mostly because of Toytops, but nothing is really threatening.

Gainaut's first form looks ridiculous.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 24, 2016, 11:17:54 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gyrAiU5.jpg)

Well fuck you too PAD.

Edit: 3/5 autoheals with this stamina bar. I won't be stoning for more right now thanks.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 24, 2016, 11:57:52 PM
Skuld buff makes her kind of a Yomidra lite, which I'm all for because I really need something that can just maul 5x4s
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 25, 2016, 03:43:57 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/EblPkNM.jpg)

Easiest one of these yet, I'd say.
you lied to me

I went in blind and got fucked up by ifrit :<

Edit: wtf x144 fails to kill anything in this dungeon

Welp you finally got your wish for something that fucks everyone but water types
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 25, 2016, 03:53:45 AM
I refuse to take responsibility for willful blindness. Ifrit is a chump-ass motherfucker if you know his moves.

Out of curiosity which one do you think is the easiest? Nordis?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 25, 2016, 03:59:24 AM
Uh I think it was volsung. As long as you have 100%sbr and delay it's no problem. Nordis is easyish too but he kind of fucks dark teams that lack bind immunity.

Also I died to gainat FIRST FORM because apparently x144 with tpa can't kill him
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 25, 2016, 04:41:39 AM
As an Astaroth user, everything about Gainaut's dungeon is pretty easy until Folklore and Gainaut himself, then it's all just FUCK GREEN FOREVER AHAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 25, 2016, 01:52:01 PM
So it looks like the PAD Radar dragons are based on farmable bosses. The black one has a solid chance of being Hera Dragon, but what do you think the blue one will be? I'm guessing Wadatsumi Dragon, but I'd like to see Noah Dragon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 25, 2016, 01:58:02 PM
I can quit any time I want

(http://imgur.com/Ge4QSRhl.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 25, 2016, 02:01:23 PM
So it looks like the PAD Radar dragons are based on farmable bosses. The black one has a solid chance of being Hera Dragon, but what do you think the blue one will be? I'm guessing Wadatsumi Dragon, but I'd like to see Noah Dragon.
Isis dragon :>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 25, 2016, 02:12:07 PM
Isis dragon :>

Nooooo that woukd break the cycle and drive me fucking crazy. Unacceptable. No Isis Dragons allowed. :colbert:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 25, 2016, 02:54:18 PM
Nooooo that woukd break the cycle and drive me fucking crazy. Unacceptable. No Isis Dragons allowed. :colbert:

What if it was SNOW WHITE DRAGON?  :derp:


> see next GF lineup

**** akechi **** Akechi **** AKECHI **** AKECHI **** AKECHI GODDAAMNIT!!!

I need you, damned rebel! Why do you have to be featured during NOT-Midnight Gala?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 25, 2016, 03:27:53 PM
What if it was SNOW WHITE DRAGON?  :derp:


> see next GF lineup

**** akechi **** Akechi **** AKECHI **** AKECHI **** AKECHI GODDAAMNIT!!!

I need you, damned rebel! Why do you have to be featured during NOT-Midnight Gala?

No. NO SNOW WHITE DRAGONS ALLOWED. At least not in this set. Although a bunch of little dragon dwarves would be cute.

I'm also interested in Sengoku for the blue one. He seems like he would be solid on NepDra. And I'm still missing most Chinese somehow.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 25, 2016, 03:49:52 PM
So you would accept only a water farmable boss uh...... weeeellll, technically there is a water farmable boss that is also already a dragon.....

GH, time to give ccool his dream...... troll eveyone and bust out BEYZUL DRAGON Ultimate!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 25, 2016, 03:50:47 PM
I don't really mind what that dragon will be, i just want my Thor Dragon !

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 25, 2016, 04:07:40 PM
Horus Dragon.

Because yes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 25, 2016, 05:01:48 PM
Awoken Susano is now online.  Hold onto your butts.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on March 25, 2016, 06:35:21 PM
I can quit any time I want

(http://imgur.com/Ge4QSRhl.jpg)
:toot:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 25, 2016, 11:20:55 PM
I'm getting like a million green doggies and only a single black doggie what the heck for the past week.

At least 3x skill up chance, this event seems pretty generous for na
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 26, 2016, 01:04:25 AM
Does anyone see Hephaestus Descended? PDX says it's up but I can't find it anywhere.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 26, 2016, 01:24:03 AM
Starts in half an hour, PDX is wrong.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 26, 2016, 01:39:56 AM
Isis dragon :>

You guys still don't know?

Blue is Noah Dragon and Dark is Hera Dragon. They announced the full lineup weeks ago
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 26, 2016, 01:40:29 AM
For those that don`t know, there will be another Godfest in 5 days, featuring:

The Sonias, the Norns, the Dragonbounds, the Odins, the JP Callers, the Samurai Gods, the Chinese Goddesses Incarnations (Sakuya/Haku/Karin/Leilan and Meimei),
LMeta and DMeta, LKali and DKali, Scheat, Australis, Exhanchamali Eschamali, Ilm and Fenrir.

All will have 3x Drop Rate, so save your stone !
Note: At Day 1: Ilm, the Odins and the JP Callers will still have regular Rates.

Hope this helps !
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 26, 2016, 01:49:13 AM
You guys still don't know?

Blue is Noah Dragon and Dark is Hera Dragon. They announced the full lineup weeks ago

Ha ha, I called it sort of!

See, things do follow a pattern.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 26, 2016, 01:51:29 AM
You guys still don't know?

Blue is Noah Dragon and Dark is Hera Dragon. They announced the full lineup weeks ago

the vast majority of us are not fluent in japanese

that should be p obvious by now :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 26, 2016, 02:40:29 AM
yay more stones

(http://i.imgur.com/Ikb01JL.png) (http://i.imgur.com/mAoI2FW.png)

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 26, 2016, 04:49:54 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/4hcDRSZ.jpg)

Hmm, you may have a 75% shield, but I have a Beyzul.

Edit:

(http://i.imgur.com/PIIO0Gf.jpg)

Oof, easiest Challenge 10 ever. I found Challenge 7 to be harder than this.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 26, 2016, 07:32:56 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/zFZ89y1.jpg)

Told you I'd OHKO him. At 12.5% damage capacity.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 26, 2016, 07:48:55 AM
I noticed several weird glitches in the previous pad calculator so I made another update (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CpczAQomzZsTQHm-iWAo8EFdfuI7QtrixYnwjSHu4DE/edit?usp=sharing) for it, a v1.02 if you will, this time allowing for monsters with triple types and bosses with more than one type --- to account for teams with possibly multiple type killer awakenings of different kinds, if that's even a concern yet. Weird glitches (as in the ones I fixed) include not accounting for the second conditionals for multipliers, one of the cells being randomly replaced by another for some odd reason (I must have clicked somewhere while editing, damn it spreadsheets).

Mostly done because my Claire had devil typing in her third type slot and wasn't receiving my Panda multipliers in her calculations.

e: enemy's 2nd elemental doesn't do anything to the damage calculations at the moment since I'm not sure how pad handles damage when enemies have two-color health bars, half and half. Anyone know? I noticed that the attacks from the team start with the main elements of the team from left to right, then left to right again but this time with the subelements, so that the order of attacking is:
leader's 1st color -> sub 1's 1st color -> sub 2's 1st color -> ... -> friend leader's 1st color -> leader's 2nd color -> sub 1's 2nd color -> ... -> friend leader's 2nd color
Then I wasn't sure if the attack only uses the color of the enemy's health bar to factor in type (dis)advantage multipliers when it first hits, or if the damage from a mon is actually split at the moment an enemy's health color switches and the different color multipliers then apply. My assumption was the former, as the damage numbers might imply but I wasn't for sure for sure.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 26, 2016, 08:36:52 AM

e: enemy's 2nd elemental doesn't do anything to the damage calculations at the moment since I'm not sure how pad handles damage when enemies have two-color health bars, half and half. Anyone know?

2nd elemental health bar don't do anything until animation trigger

If first 50% of HP is Red and 50% of HP is Green, using Water type attack will do x2 damage no matter what
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 26, 2016, 08:55:29 AM
2nd elemental health bar don't do anything until animation trigger

If first 50% of HP is Red and 50% of HP is Green, using Water type attack will do x2 damage no matter what
Ooooh that's what that ominous *flushhh* thing was, I always figured it was a rage mode or something, thanks. I'll remove the secondary element thing then since it's pointless, thanks.


Besides which, what part of 50 freaking percent does this game not understand? What kind of deux ex-induced rolypoly idealistic unicorn dystopia do I live in that I can somehow manage to flip sixteen hundred george washingtons in a row? Give me a freaking rebellious dog to feed to my rebellious boy stupid game, rng goddessess!!!, go keep your greens in the backyard.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 26, 2016, 12:23:23 PM
I kind of had the opposite results in an earlier dog dungeon, where I wanted Raphael skillups and dropped the white dog a ridiculous number of times in a row... But then I went like 0/25 on skillups with the drops I did get. Multiple axes of RNG is even more bullshit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 26, 2016, 12:38:48 PM
Ult Cloud video for Aamir farming (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh2tb91LESw)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 26, 2016, 06:04:47 PM
I'm considering just using piis on Akechi. Not sure I feel like dog hunting. What're the odds of drops?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 26, 2016, 06:18:24 PM
I'm considering just using piis on Akechi. Not sure I feel like dog hunting. What're the odds of drops?
I'm having a fick duckery of a time getting drops, as in if a rebel dog spawns, no drops, I've had one and I've been running this all of the past week, green dog spawns, he drops.

Since I'm consistently getting drops on every floor and I'm seeing like at least 1-2 dog invades every run, let's be optimistic and say he invades once every run. The floor has four mons including him, so that's 25% chance of dropping him. And that's, of course, besides the 50% chance of spawning him over green doggie in the first place.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 26, 2016, 07:23:14 PM
I'm having a fick duckery of a time getting drops, as in if a rebel dog spawns, no drops, I've had one and I've been running this all of the past week, green dog spawns, he drops.

Since I'm consistently getting drops on every floor and I'm seeing like at least 1-2 dog invades every run, let's be optimistic and say he invades once every run. The floor has four mons including him, so that's 25% chance of dropping him. And that's, of course, besides the 50% chance of spawning him over green doggie in the first place.

Hmm...whether he gets the Piis or not depends on what Awoken Persephone looks like. I wonder when they'll reveal her.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 27, 2016, 12:16:17 AM
New Star Vault is pretty cool. It's basically equivalent to one of the better 10x descends in yield, although it gives a bit less experience. Would do again, will do again, may stone for at some point if it makes the difference between ranking up or not.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 27, 2016, 12:21:07 AM
I tried it, and went well, but then they binded my lead and i lost half my HP. :V I really need to get a Light or Green Bind Healer.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 27, 2016, 12:40:44 AM
My team ended up being Raoh/Scarlet/Scarlet/Scarlet/Laila/Freyr

It is scary being able to use a 5 CD skill three times in 5 waves.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 27, 2016, 12:56:50 AM
New Star Vault is pretty cool. It's basically equivalent to one of the better 10x descends in yield, although it gives a bit less experience. Would do again, will do again, may stone for at some point if it makes the difference between ranking up or not.

its pretty amazing actually. It's more consistent than Tengu during 10x descends and is the same speed of clearing
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 27, 2016, 01:03:55 AM
I tried it, and went well, but then they binded my lead and i lost half my HP. :V I really need to get a Light or Green Bind Healer.
G/L Alraune is bind resistant, and farmable.  Not immune, but there is still a chance!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 27, 2016, 02:01:39 AM
its pretty amazing actually. It's more consistent than Tengu during 10x descends and is the same speed of clearing

As someone who values my magic stones, experience yield matters to me. My preference for +eggs is still Blue Zeus.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 27, 2016, 02:33:54 AM
I`ll still stick with Ocean of Heaven, the +egg drop rate is quite high for a normal, it tends to have many Mystic Masks and give considerable amounts of Coins and EXP IMO.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on March 27, 2016, 02:36:04 AM
Haven't gotten TAMADRA invades in hours :fail:

*gets a single TAMADRA invade at the end of the day*

 :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp:
My life is complete!

EDIT: The context is that I needed exactly one more to max Pollux, and then save the one tomorrow.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 27, 2016, 03:05:24 AM
Haven't gotten TAMADRA invades in hours :fail:

*gets a single TAMADRA invade at the end of the day*

 :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp:
My life is complete!

EDIT: The context is that I needed exactly one more to max Pollux, and then save the one tomorrow.

*Meanwhile, at Raf`s Monster Box*

"Sir, we still have 4 more Baby Tamadras to evo, what do we do ?"
"Get your asses up and go farm more Dragon Plants, Flowers and Fruits! Don`t forget we also have some Pengdras do evo too !"
"Yes sir !"

Stocking Tamadras and evoing then is almost a hobby to me (And should be), even though they get all eaten up after i get something Evo`d/Uevo`d.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 27, 2016, 03:32:37 AM
You're far more patient than some of us, that's for sure!  I dunno about others, but I know I usually just feed babies for the possibility because I can't stand to deal with the hassle of evolving a bunch of em, heh.

Unrelatedly: DIE YOU PIECE OF CRAP ROBOT DIE DIE DIE!

(http://i.imgur.com/MBOJr9X.jpg)

I don't know why I suck so badly at her dungeon.  I got lucky in that Golem Zangief didn't decide to show up and ruin my day with DOUBLE HAMMER CYCLONE ALL DAY ERRY DAY.  (Jotunn did, actually.  You...can probably guess how that turned out for him.)  Still, finally cleared it so I'm up to date on Descendeds now til something else comes out.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Moogs Parfait on March 27, 2016, 04:47:24 AM
Baby Tamas I will only evolve near Xmas time, because Dub-Topalits are a nightmare.

Think the Xmas dungeon will come back in July?  Seems likely
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 27, 2016, 08:14:00 AM
Gaia Dragon:

50 million HP

7 turns of 75% damage cut
99 turns of absorb damage hits over 6 million damage
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 27, 2016, 08:54:45 AM
Gaia Dragon:

50 million HP

7 turns of 75% damage cut
99 turns of absorb damage hits over 6 million damage

I was going to talk about how Skill Inheritance's power creep is rearing its ugly head here but somehow I think even without Skill Inheritance this would've happened naturally.

Somehow, I'm actually kinda glad that NA probably won't get PAD Radar if this is the kind of shit we should expect from it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 27, 2016, 11:46:07 AM
I was going to talk about how Skill Inheritance's power creep is rearing its ugly head here but somehow I think even without Skill Inheritance this would've happened naturally.

Somehow, I'm actually kinda glad that NA probably won't get PAD Radar if this is the kind of shit we should expect from it.

These dragons are meant to be farmable alternatives to 300K MP dragons.

Partners for them, even. If you expected it to be easy, that's... Yeah.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on March 27, 2016, 01:35:38 PM
No, it's more like I'm expecting them to at least try to slow down the power creep, instead of just going with it and giving it turbo jets.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 27, 2016, 03:22:46 PM
Wow, first try clear of C10 with my default Batman team on a yolo run.

This one seemed less soul-crushingly difficult, at least for a team packing multiple delays :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 27, 2016, 05:06:19 PM
Does anyone on my friends list have a hypermax blue Sonia they can put up? I've been making runs at Legendary Skyway challenge mode for a few days and I think I really need two or more Blonias to pull it off.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 27, 2016, 09:29:48 PM
chirei how did you beat legendary skyway challenge i dont understand

frost dragon actually seems easier because its designed for tank teams

but skyway is just damage walls or die so like how
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 27, 2016, 09:38:23 PM
So far my strategy has just been use NepDra and go all out popping skills every floor until the masks floor, hope I one-shot the masks but not the Tamadra, then try to stall back up on that. But I'm finding myself having to use Ryunes for filler instead of Sonias and I just don't have the damage to take out Fairlio and still have all the ammo I need for the last floor. I'll probably win eventually at this rate with good enough RNG, but my team could be better.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 27, 2016, 09:43:11 PM
Do the BSonias have to be hyper for this to work, or is it more the active you need?  If it's just the skill, well, how many of em do you currently have?  I might be able to scare up one or two more from my friend list.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 27, 2016, 09:43:39 PM
I just don't have the damage to take out Fairlio and still have all the ammo I need for the last floor.
This is the problem

I'm using aPandora with like 20 million rows but it's still not enough to kill even the Light Angelion...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 27, 2016, 09:56:43 PM
Do the BSonias have to be hyper for this to work, or is it more the active you need?  If it's just the skill, well, how many of em do you currently have?  I might be able to scare up one or two more from my friend list.

Hyper really is preferable mostly just for the RCV. Stalling isn't easy as is and non-hyper subs would make it even harder.

Currently I have one, two would hopefully do it, three would be preferable.

As for damage, Fairlio is chippable and I've got two damage enhances (Blodin and I&I). Bad boardchanges could still be killer though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Dr Rawr on March 27, 2016, 10:00:42 PM
This is the problem

I'm using aPandora with like 20 million rows but it's still not enough to kill even the Light Angelion...
would having monsters with dragon killer help?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 27, 2016, 10:01:56 PM
No, it's more like I'm expecting them to at least try to slow down the power creep, instead of just going with it and giving it turbo jets.

It's fine either way because they're bad anyway BV
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 27, 2016, 10:52:09 PM
This is the problem

I'm using aPandora with like 20 million rows but it's still not enough to kill even the Light Angelion...

I've been trying Skyway challenge with A.Pandora too and i MIIIGHT have found a way.

My last attempt was: A.Panda - A.Panda - A.Panda - A.Panda - A. FALuci - Lu Bu

floor 1-4: Panda actives if necessary
floor 5: Luci against Metatron Tama, then kill the masks
floor 6: fight him down, set up the board for when it converts wood/light, panda active to full heal and kill
floor 7: pray for a decent first board. My last attempt i got a bad first board and when i tried Panda+Lu bu on second turn i left him with about 25% HP left

the main problem is burst down Lifive, maybe it would be better to use A.Loki instead of Lu Bu for 2 turns of lower burst but i had zero Loki in friend list at the time
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 27, 2016, 11:59:36 PM
chirei how did you beat legendary skyway challenge i dont understand

frost dragon actually seems easier because its designed for tank teams

but skyway is just damage walls or die so like how

Did someone say skyway challenge (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19121.msg1226275.html#msg1226275)

Used two I&I because I needed it all to take out Angelion and Lifive in quick succession.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 28, 2016, 12:17:52 AM
so you basically have to get lucky on angelion, because if you knock her low you just auto lose to bind spam + green hp + shield on top
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 28, 2016, 12:54:08 AM
so you basically have to get lucky on angelion, because if you knock her low you just auto lose to bind spam + green hp + shield on top

Uhh, how exactly do you plan to accidentally knock him down to green? Unless you are unlucky enough to skyfall an entire dark row at the wrong moment you can stall an eternity on Angelion.
Where you need luck is against Lifive.....

AND MY STRATEGY WAS RIGHT!  :D  :toot:

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-03-28-01-20-11_zpsxqyjzucu.png)


Against Angelion i stalled about 18 turns: first time he used the shield i used pandora to leave him with around 70% HP, then i waited until i finally got a good board after his wood/light convert.
You can stall easily because he either:
a) do nothing (shield)
b) gives you heart orbs
c) gives you light orbs to be converted into heart

and if you don't match a dark row you deal basically NOTHING of damage. I kept storing dark/green orbs on the top 2 rows and when he finally gave me enough wood orbs for 2 dark rows i used pandora and killed him.

The real deal breaker is Lifive: first board was decent, shaved about 20% hp, second turn pandora - luci - lu bu gave me exactly 12 dark orbs. Thankfully skyfalls got me over the combo shield and he went down ^^
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 28, 2016, 01:04:03 AM
so you basically have to get lucky on angelion, because if you knock her low you just auto lose to bind spam + green hp + shield on top

Bind is only done under 30%, my winning run hit her down to green bar, just have to hit a bit harder to make up for the halved damage.

Should be easier with Andro/Gabe UUVOs (andro was yours)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 28, 2016, 02:13:15 AM
the real hard part is having the right friends up...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 28, 2016, 02:34:02 AM
the real hard part is having the right friends up...

I can supply a penta karin and penta skuld but that's like it, the latter doesn't have any rows either.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 28, 2016, 06:44:23 AM
OK i just did it.

http://i.imgur.com/clAiVuk.png

(http://i.imgur.com/hA2Ih1X.jpg)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 28, 2016, 08:14:14 AM
After a whole week of dog dungeons, millions of green doggies, like 5 black doggies, I get just 2 skill ups on Akechi. I guess the skill up odds weren't actually that bad but I'm still calling bs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 28, 2016, 09:24:48 AM
Same team as yesterday.  :D
Lucifer wasn't even needed (i went in half-blind  :V) but can mitigate bad pandora boards....

(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b599/Ciofecantes/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-03-28-08-02-17_zpscerb4bne.png)

Now there is only Ilsix challenge mode between me an Aren...... between me and farming about 20 badpys  :qq:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 28, 2016, 03:42:56 PM
Challenge level 10.

Nothing like stalling 99 turns to get rid of that damage absorb.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 28, 2016, 06:28:41 PM
Tried Ilsix challenge mode with the saaaaame team. Reached Starling fully expecting an harsh battle....

THAT MOMENT when i realized the cruel irony:

> Starling is GOD
> Lucifer will always heal him
> i can't kill him from above 20%
> i WILL eat a full board change that is a literal "YOU LOSE" button for this team  :fail:

If i tried it with 5 Pandoras i could have won  :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 28, 2016, 06:33:12 PM
Challenge level 10.

Nothing like stalling 99 turns to get rid of that damage absorb.
Apparently a lot of people did that from what I'm seeing elsewhere...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 28, 2016, 06:34:55 PM
I may just have to do that as well. Parvati's rough!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 28, 2016, 06:36:58 PM
You can also delay her, or just hack her down since she doesn't hit as hard as she does in arena
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 28, 2016, 06:44:34 PM
That's really hard to do when you have to avoid doing high damage to her. With AAstaroth it is impossible-- and with AYomi on 7x6 it is very, very hard. I even pulled off a 10 combo with no popcorn and still healed her.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 28, 2016, 07:13:51 PM
She was virtually harmless to NepDra. His poison really fucks her up and she gives him the hearts to stall for as long as necessary. And his good damage control made steadily chipping her easy. Nepdra/Ryune doesn't really care that much avout her low-health attacks either.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 29, 2016, 12:22:24 AM
nope cant do it

im literally too unlucky to be able to clear this

slowly hacking down angelion

think hmm maybe i should try to burst but it prob wont be enough

SKYFALL LOL SHOULDA POPPED I&I

OF COURSE I'LL ONLY BIND YOUR LEADER BECAUSE FUCK YOU
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 29, 2016, 12:57:44 AM
"In case of elevated levels of rage, break thy glass."
*Breaks glass*
*Activates emergency cooling systems*

Also, i need 2 Water Jewels and 4 Light ones, cause A. Thor and A. Sakuya, thanks GungTroll.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Pesco on March 29, 2016, 01:05:05 AM
Farm Valk for light jewels. At worst you'll end up with a max skilled Valk.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 29, 2016, 01:08:21 AM
Farm Valk for light jewels. At worst you'll end up with a max skilled Valk.

I dunno, do you think i have the stuff it takes for it to work ? My PADherder is in the signature. Keep in mind Cost Limit too.

Edit: Wow, it was quite outdated, just updated it, hope there is something of use.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 29, 2016, 04:50:12 AM
Don't forget that the evo carnival is up for the pal egg machine if you haven't spent yet
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 29, 2016, 04:56:06 AM
I almost maxskilled Sumire off of it, plus I got Perseus bankai ult'd just because I could.

Evo machine best machine.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 29, 2016, 06:39:08 AM
What a new and refreshing idea for an active skill.

Get it? Cause water is refreshing
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 29, 2016, 10:24:32 AM
omfg xiang mei so pretty *-*

Also obligatory "gungho fuck off with all the Kali knockoffs holy fucking shit"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 29, 2016, 11:40:34 AM
Yeah I kinda facepalmed internally at that, not gonna lie.  Ugh.

Also Xiang Mei pretty but another case of "good but not good enough and far too specific team requirement" unfortunately.  Fire Healers aren't...really much of a thing.  There's what, like Gadius, Uriel, RRH, uh...Femme is useless due to her active, uh...

Some others I talk to are speculating Healer A.Uzume which could help if you lack the Hood, but yeah...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 29, 2016, 11:48:58 AM
Yeah basically. If there was more of a field for her, I'd be sold 100% because she's actually pretty excellent as far as LS and AS go! But it's another case of "either you have the specific ideal team for her or she's not very good for you". That, and she is single-attribute and single-type, even when evolved. I mean... really, gungho? At this point in the game you're limiting an MP card to that? No.

Maybe I'll have better luck with later flowergirls.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 29, 2016, 11:55:51 AM
Xiangmei is weird because three of her best cards are silvers instead of ARES ARES ARES ARES DKALI DKALI DKALI DKALI, making her very acceptable.

You can actually still use non-healer red cards, but they would only be 1/2 as powerful.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 29, 2016, 01:28:20 PM
I did forget another such silver actually.  I could see Mitsuki being pretty handy, effectively most of the time guranteeing the full heart activation, so there's that I guess?

Hopefully a better sub field emerges eventually.  If she were Light she'd be SUPER cool because of how many of those there are, including a little bit of farmable stuff.

Also, I had an idea for what I want AUzume to be:

R/L
Phys/Healer
Mats: Surtr/Sandalphon/Yatagarasu/red jewel/light jewel

AS: Sun Goddesses's Protection
Heal 3 turns of bind, prevent binds for 1 turn, haste 1
LS: Dance of Returning Light
1.5X HP/Atk/Fire, 3x Atk for F/F combos

I dunno.  Mind going out there I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on March 29, 2016, 01:28:52 PM
You can actually still use non-healer red cards, but they would only be 1/2 as powerful.

You can also use non-Red healers, but Xiangmei's AS might kill off your sub's color orbs
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 29, 2016, 02:01:43 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/DseYnDO.jpg)

There we go. Took a few tries but I got there. My winning team (NepDra/Blonia/Ryune/Blodin/AI&I/AI&I) even ended up being really suboptimal because I forgot AI&I's enhance lasts two turns, so I brought two of them for the last two floors. Could have had an extra Ryune at least, if not a Blonia. Oh well, it worked.

Now Legendary Snowy Valley is my only remaining Challenge Mode. No idea how I'm going to approach this one (aside from "a tank team") but it looks super hard.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 29, 2016, 02:09:54 PM
Seems like in terms of subs, Xing Mei favors stuff like Uriel and Kiriko. She's really likes the collabs.

I can see a team like
XingMei Mamiya Uriel Kiriko Phoenix Rider.

Also, I'm in the minority, but I'm perfectly fine with Kali knockoffs.

Idk what I want Awoken Ame to look like, most awoken keep the original part of the skill, so I'd want something like Increased healing + heart orbspawning + a shield. For awakenings, I'd want something like her R/B ult, but with bind recovery.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 29, 2016, 02:18:36 PM
re kali knockoffs: we've just had way too many lately, otherwise i'm fine with one of the more important board changes for an entire teamset being made more accessible tbh

just if i could stop rolling all the collab ones too would be nice

re xiangmei: absolute garbage besides a really impressive rcv stat

AS is only self-serving, even before LS, and beyond the healer req the heart count is a bit way too fuckin' high

something like gadius/uriel/red/flex (obv kiriko) would work well but have no serious reasons to use over anything else frankly due to the inconsisitency

red mp monsters that are not pure continue to be :sadredinsnow:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 29, 2016, 02:21:34 PM
re kali knockoffs: we've just had way too many lately, otherwise i'm fine with one of the more important board changes for an entire teamset being made more accessible tbh

just if i could stop rolling all the collab ones too would be nice

re xiangmei: absolute garbage besides a really impressive rcv stat

AS is only self-serving, even before LS, and beyond the healer req the heart count is a bit way too fuckin' high

something like gadius/uriel/red/flex (obv kiriko) would work well but have no serious reasons to use over anything else frankly due to the inconsisitency

red mp monsters that are not pure continue to be :sadredinsnow:

I thought Shiva Dragon was loved by farmers everywhere. Though yeah, she does seem pretty niche. 9 hearts is a lot. I can see a lot of board changes not giving you that much. Attacker killer is pretty niche as far as awakenings go too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 29, 2016, 02:35:23 PM
Xiang Mei's stats are absolutely ludicrous. That much attack amd recovery while still having non-abysmal HP is impressive. Why does he only have one attribute though? Is that a non-final form?

Sherias looks kind of dubious to me. He basically requires additional orbchanges to hit very hard after his own active, and that seems like a lot of slots devoted to that. He basically looks like a row lead with a bizarre active to me, since three colors including a row isn't hard at all, but he's not very compatible with that strategy himself. Given that you need to cram three colors, several orbchanges, and a bunch of rows in his sub slots his team looks like it would be incredibly specific. So basically another NepDra.

Edit: Wait, are Sherias and Baldin the new GFEs? That makes sense I guess. Not that I want more, but that makes more sense to me that MP.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 29, 2016, 02:43:10 PM
I thought Shiva Dragon was loved by farmers everywhere. Though yeah, she does seem pretty niche. 9 hearts is a lot. I can see a lot of board changes not giving you that much. Attacker killer is pretty niche as far as awakenings go too.

that's not a compliment to shivadra, nor a compliment to a color

even then, i'm pretty sure trance could go over several alternatives that are great and do not include spamming ares, because farming is a shit easy job

he's honestly probably far from even top at the field at this point
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 29, 2016, 03:29:01 PM
Now Legendary Snowy Valley is my only remaining Challenge Mode. No idea how I'm going to approach this one (aside from "a tank team") but it looks super hard.

100% agree. I already managed to reach Ilsix with the usual team, the problem is that he hit likes a truck while having that annoying resolve with huge hp to boot....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 29, 2016, 07:20:06 PM
my mind somehow zeroed in on this

mei: absolute garbage

For real though, I would not put her in absolute garbage tier simply because most of her pool exists in silvers, which means that combined with skill inherit, she could possibly be built on the cheap. It would not be top tier by any means, but it would be far better than shitty juggler because she would actually not keel over instantly due to the HP bonus.

Now Legendary Snowy Valley is my only remaining Challenge Mode. No idea how I'm going to approach this one (aside from "a tank team") but it looks super hard.

relink to this (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19343.msg1239933.html#msg1239933)

Interesting story behind this one: I showed someone my clear for Skyway, which they then used to beat it, noticed Gabe was in there, which prompted them to beat Snowy Valley challenge with Gabe CMode team, which then looped back around to prompt me to try it with a Michael team. Funny how that works.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 29, 2016, 08:05:01 PM
I finally decided to get off my rear and start working on Scarlet #4 again, especially since we have this delicious x3 skillup rate.

3/5 on skillups today. Definitely a good haul.

Aaahhh still have four more to go.
I don't know how many times I've run this dungeon but I've had quite enough
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 29, 2016, 08:43:16 PM
Speaking of Skillups.... where is the Light Sprite dungeon when you need it ? My Wukong needs 4 more skillups and i can't miss the 3x . ;-;


Edit:
Let me get this straight.... the Grimoires all have a -50% Resistance versus Light and Dark ? Fffffff..ffff........fudge. 50 Stamina down the drain.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 30, 2016, 02:37:09 AM
Yyyyup, they're kind of rude about that.  They're also resistant to one other element at all times due to the elemental trinity, too, so they can be kinda a pain if you're not prepped for the long haul.

It's sort of refreshing to see the light and/or dark shields pop up though when most of the time light/dark can't be resisted at all by anything, I have to say.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 30, 2016, 02:57:52 AM
Speaking of Skillups.... where is the Light Sprite dungeon when you need it ? My Wukong needs 4 more skillups and i can't miss the 3x . ;-;


Edit:
Let me get this straight.... the Grimoires all have a -50% Resistance versus Light and Dark ? Fffffff..ffff........fudge. 50 Stamina down the drain.

Yeah that's what playing one of the shit colors feels like. Only a lot more often.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 30, 2016, 03:13:08 AM
my mind somehow zeroed in on this

plz no bully turtle

For real though, I would not put her in absolute garbage tier simply because most of her pool exists in silvers, which means that combined with skill inherit, she could possibly be built on the cheap. It would not be top tier by any means, but it would be far better than shitty juggler because she would actually not keel over instantly due to the HP bonus.

That's...really not true, though. There's about 3-4 red healer silvers that you would realistically use, and they're all spread to the seven winds actually. There's much more golds for her to use, actually. Also spread to the seven winds, several not available to NA. On top of the fact she requires a 300k mp investment...no, you...really won't be making her cheap. At all.

Like, unless you're stacking reds, which even then...

There are a lot of problems with her frankly, even if she was 'cheap to build' and not annoyingly niche. She's just not very good, even for a 300k mp monster. I'm not even sure if she beats Shivadra, even.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 30, 2016, 04:40:28 AM
Alright, finally got around to making an Awoken Shiva team so I can co-op with my roommate's Awoken Shiva or maybe my neighbor's Urd.

Here's what I got so far:

Shiva/Misato/Kagu/Urd/Flex*

*Nim, Ame, Jotunn, or Exa-Hydra are all strong possibilities

It's just supposed to be for co-ops so I'm not incredibly worried about it being that balanced right now. Just happy to finally have a place for my Misato. Don't know if it can clear anything co-op that I can't clear solo, but I'm interested to try.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 30, 2016, 05:14:48 AM


There are a lot of problems with her frankly, even if she was 'cheap to build' and not annoyingly niche. She's just not very good, even for a 300k mp monster. I'm not even sure if she beats Shivadra, even.

I think Shiva dragon wins easily tbh. Far easier to build for.  The 9x seems appealling, but needing 9 hearts dilutes her burst a ton and locks her out of Ares spam that Shiva Dragon enjoys. Needing 2 kinds of  orbs and 12 of them in total to burst while not providing any hastes is going to be a pain in the ass. As she is now, I don't see her catching on. I think we'll see buffs coming her way.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 30, 2016, 07:13:01 PM
"It's meaningless to just live.  It's meaningless to just fight.  I want to win!"

(Bleach Collab is gonna be a thing in EU and NA.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 30, 2016, 07:19:07 PM
Is it worth rolling for?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on March 30, 2016, 07:22:16 PM
"It's meaningless to just live.  It's meaningless to just fight.  I want to win!"

(Bleach Collab is gonna be a thing in EU and NA.)

... Huh.  That's pretty surprising!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 30, 2016, 07:57:33 PM
They're getting us back for April fool's last year huh?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 30, 2016, 08:04:54 PM
Is it worth rolling for?

Short answer: not unless you really want to relive it's olden days.

Long Answer: Fuck no not really. Besides Urahara system, the only real standout cards are Rukia and Ichigo. Rukia is an interesting pick, but honestly i'm pretty sure hype will die around her soonish. Ichigo is a solid as hell sub, but not really worth going broke for.


I'm pretty glad I already sold my soul on JP though, I don't fancy another round of it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 30, 2016, 08:46:45 PM
Oh shit it's actually happening

I'd want Ichigo more if it weren't for the fact that Lightning is better for arena2
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 30, 2016, 08:58:50 PM
Given that Kali actives are a dime a dozen, one may as well just stick to GFE hunting and avoid collab pain unless a given version has some specific advantage, heh.

(Seriously, someone needs to tell YamaP to stop.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 30, 2016, 09:07:49 PM
Speaking of that, Godfest is tomorrow, so better get your stones at ready ! I need 4 more to complete 5 rolls. :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 30, 2016, 09:55:08 PM
I already have an awoken and d/d Haku, I want another panda for when uuevo gets released and hopefully a Zuoh, I'm not rolling this time. Especially not with fire gala.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Dr Rawr on March 30, 2016, 10:05:13 PM
Anyone here got a hypermax amaterasu with 5 rcv latents? I need it for challenge 10, for some reason the ones on my friends list haven't played for awhile
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 30, 2016, 11:12:48 PM
Long overdue, finally was able to finish starlight sanctuary challenge mode because the hera one was being difficult a year ago. APanda breezed through it.

I would be more excited about detergent collabs if I didn't stop caring about it after the arrancar arc. The constant power level shifting was too much.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 30, 2016, 11:28:11 PM
Aw, I want the things in the first day of the godfest, which has the red gala, way more than I want the things in the second day, which has the blue gala. Hmm....
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 31, 2016, 12:04:17 AM
Blue Gala ? That means i should save some rolls for that too ! I might get cute af Famiel <3 ! Best Angel 10/10 Would hug and squish like a Tamadra.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 31, 2016, 12:25:19 AM
Aw, I want the things in the first day of the godfest, which has the red gala, way more than I want the things in the second day, which has the blue gala. Hmm....
Roll half and half?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 31, 2016, 12:44:02 AM
Best Angel 10/10 Would hug and squish like a Tamadra.

When you say best angel, you are referring to Gabriel, yes?
I would hug him and more
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 31, 2016, 12:48:34 AM
When you say best angel, you are referring to Gabriel, yes?
I would hug him and more

He's in the Archangel category. :P And i, Rafael am the best archangel u.u
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 31, 2016, 12:55:43 AM
i still cant beat angelion
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on March 31, 2016, 01:08:48 AM
Short answer: not unless you really want to relive it's olden days.

Long Answer: Fuck no not really. Besides Urahara system, the only real standout cards are Rukia and Ichigo. Rukia is an interesting pick, but honestly i'm pretty sure hype will die around her soonish. Ichigo is a solid as hell sub, but not really worth going broke for.


I'm pretty glad I already sold my soul on JP though, I don't fancy another round of it.

Rukia's might last for a while longer I think. She's the first blue combo leader that people latched on to. I don't think she'll lose hype until we see another one of those.
Given that Kali actives are a dime a dozen, one may as well just stick to GFE hunting and avoid collab pain unless a given version has some specific advantage, heh.

(Seriously, someone needs to tell YamaP to stop.)

I wish they were a dime a dozen all these Kali actives are on super rare/ annoying to get units :(

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 31, 2016, 02:22:42 AM
Oh, I just meant the collab ones aren't AS special for em because there're a fair number of such, along with the much more available original bearers of those sorts of actives.  ...not to mention the new blue iteration that's gonna eventually come here and be seekable as well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 31, 2016, 09:53:08 AM
Hmmmmm, today's the day ! Let's roll on the REM !
Wait, it's still Red Gala, and i'm pretty lackish in Water cards...... fuck it !

*Rolls*
*Dino Rider Drops*

Yea, bad idea, better stop.
But i feel i must continue..... it calls... something calls....

*Rolls*
(http://i.imgur.com/GR6ePqk.png)

:o :o :o :o :o :o
But it still calls......

*Rolls*
(http://i.imgur.com/CY36KQR.png)

*-* ...... so.... i guess i don't lack Water stuff anymore ?

And i also have the means to do another roll tomorrow, i wonder if Famiel will come too. :3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on March 31, 2016, 11:12:20 AM
Ame No Uzume. :|
Sherospada. Cool. Andromeda could appreciate this.
Yamato Takeru. Cool. With two of these guys and Ares, I might be justified getting Shivadora.

If only I had some sort of red utility, like an unbindable cleric OH RIGHT I have Rozuel.

Hatsume. Cool. I think I can use her for Andromeda without issue.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on March 31, 2016, 11:15:53 AM
I hate you so muuuuuch!  ;_;

(kidding, of course, nice going!)

>Ivory Dragon
This is not a good start...

>Mori Motonari
Well...I guess great Awoken Hermes sub maybe...?  I'm sure he's good but he isn't what I'm looking for here.

>GrimRock
What did I do to deserve this abuse, PAD?

>Ame no BikeshortsUzume
THIS I will gladly take!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Zengar Zombolt on March 31, 2016, 11:20:25 AM
Let's goooo
-Shiva
-Karin
-Haku
-Yukimura
-ESCHACHACHACHAMALI
-Bvalk
-dupe Asrs Nova
-Gabriel
-Another Bvalk
I think I won.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 31, 2016, 11:40:54 AM
Alright, shooting for Karin and the blue Sengoku.

-Nim (duplicate)
-Ishida Mitsunari
-Chrono Turtle
-Dino Rider
-Genie (duplicate)
-Dragon Rider
-Phoenix Rider
-Red Sonia (duplicate)

Well, that was trash. The only one of those I'm happy with is Phoenix Rider (which, admitttedly, is cool). Why can't I have pantheon gods, PAD?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 31, 2016, 12:05:16 PM
*Rolls*
(http://i.imgur.com/GR6ePqk.png)

ewwWwwwww//wwgratswWwwWwwww
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on March 31, 2016, 02:13:41 PM
I pulled like my 5 millionth flame dragon swordsman and shotel like what the fuck
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 31, 2016, 03:08:14 PM
Decided to do a couple rolls because I have no interest in Bleach and Final Fantasy may be quite a while away.

1. LKali #3679532
2. Ishida Mitsunari

Don't really need him, but cool, I guess?

(really would like Uriel for Xiang Mei or Akechi for all my dark teams...)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on March 31, 2016, 03:10:29 PM
-ESCHACHACHACHAMALI

I think I won.

You won all my envy.....

Did 2 rolls despite everything, got 10k MP >.>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 31, 2016, 03:24:51 PM
oh hey those enhance orb buffs made a.venus a lot easier to use, that's nice

and a.shiva got nothing because we  really cared about mini-shiva more i guess.

like he literally does both parts mediocrely and they didn't even touch that shit, okay
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 31, 2016, 04:20:42 PM
oh hey those enhance orb buffs made a.venus a lot easier to use, that's nice

and a.shiva got nothing because we  really cared about mini-shiva more i guess.

like he literally does both parts mediocrely and they didn't even touch that shit, okay

they did say "more buffs tomorrow" but...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 31, 2016, 04:25:55 PM
they did say "more buffs tomorrow" but...

I'd wager different kinds, yeah.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on March 31, 2016, 04:44:32 PM
they did say "more buffs tomorrow" but...

Beyzul! Beyzul! Beyzul! Beyzul!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 31, 2016, 05:08:52 PM
Any reason to keep around two Diadems? He's not even devil type, all I can think of for one of them is for potential skill inheritance.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on March 31, 2016, 05:26:39 PM
Keep them in case you get Eschamali, I guess? :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 31, 2016, 09:26:45 PM
So now that one cute thing of the list is down and i got the Second Best Valk (for me), what is Valk's specialty ? I know her AS can work really well with Wukong's AS if i ever need some firepower, and her RCV and atk along with the neat 2 TPAs make her a neat boost to recovery and the punch, any comments on how to proceed with what i rolled ?

I also rolled a Ishida Mitsunari (that's the name ?), not amazing but everything green is welcome to me.

Right now i can make a Blue team like this:
Skuld/Nut/Snow White/BValk and a empty spot here ( i'd say either A. Thor, cause 2x Water, or B/G Plesio, dunno, not the most aware PAD player regarding team building).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 31, 2016, 10:14:14 PM
The valks are very quick heartbreakers that have pretty decent stats.

You have lots of resources but not enough stamina-time or clear power to make it worth investing in many teams atm. You would rather have one team that can clear almost any dungeon now. One skyscraper that challenges Mt. Olympus than a rural village. Then you can build any team.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on March 31, 2016, 10:27:02 PM
I should point out that Skuld starts with a whopping 50 cost, which may run you into some problems depending on what you start using as subs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 31, 2016, 10:49:19 PM
I should point out that Skuld starts with a whopping 50 cost, which may run you into some problems depending on what you start using as subs.

I'm not actually going to commit to doing the Blue Team now, first i must finish what i already started, that was just a small preview of what i can put together.

Although i'm kinda lost as to how to build my Healer team right now with so many new options. And with the already mentioned a million times Wukong UUEvo coming out with healer typing, the only thing that can make this better is for Waifuterasu to appear from the REM.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on March 31, 2016, 10:52:05 PM
"Guess I better do something with those 20 stones I have. 2 rolls today, 2 tomorrow."
[30-day consecutive bonus! 5 stones received.]
[Event bonus! 1 stone received]
"Make that three today."
*rolls* Laila "Ugh, Flame Gala junk... At least she's not horrible. She's an orb-switcher."
*rolls* Leilan "Not the best, not the worst. Not the luckiest, not the unluckiest."
*rolls* Belial "And that goes towards my LINKA fund."

Maybe I'll nail something better tomorrow :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on March 31, 2016, 11:03:40 PM
Do Team Challenges (Those that you use your lead + a bunch of OP stuff from your friends.) to squeeze more Stones !
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on March 31, 2016, 11:28:09 PM
I wonder how Radra and Nepdra got to be listed on pdx's day two gfe drops. Because it would be hilarious if some programming oversight actually allowed that.

e: ah, of course, what a fool been fooled
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on March 31, 2016, 11:53:46 PM
"Guess I better do something with those 20 stones I have. 2 rolls today, 2 tomorrow."
[30-day consecutive bonus! 5 stones received.]
[Event bonus! 1 stone received]
"Make that three today."
*rolls* Laila "Ugh, Flame Gala junk... At least she's not horrible. She's an orb-switcher."
*rolls* Leilan "Not the best, not the worst. Not the luckiest, not the unluckiest (referencing how she's part of both events, at a combined 9x chance)"
*rolls* Belial "And that goes towards my LINKA fund."

Maybe I'll nail something better tomorrow :derp:

...please tell me you atleast have a dupe belial if you sold that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 01, 2016, 12:21:37 AM
"Guess I better do something with those 20 stones I have. 2 rolls today, 2 tomorrow."
[30-day consecutive bonus! 5 stones received.]
[Event bonus! 1 stone received]
"Make that three today."
*rolls* Laila "Ugh, Flame Gala junk... At least she's not horrible. She's an orb-switcher."
*rolls* Leilan "Not the best, not the worst. Not the luckiest, not the unluckiest (referencing how she's part of both events, at a combined 9x chance)"
*rolls* Belial "And that goes towards my LINKA fund."

Maybe I'll nail something better tomorrow :derp:

Galas and Godfests do not multiply their rates.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on April 01, 2016, 12:36:02 AM
Galas and Godfests do not multiply their rates.

Thank you, noted.

...please tell me you atleast have a dupe belial if you sold that.

Honestly, I didn't really care much for it because I have no need for him as a leader (buffs things I don't have ANY of, [except for Physical, and I don't use physicals ever]) and I don't feel the need for a counter. It just doesn't ... feel right? I dunno, counters aren't my thing; I prefer combo-based damage, like from my Pollux, and as a slightly lesser example, DL Maple. I'm not saying counters are a waste of time or anything, I just don't really like the idea of a counter in this game. It doesn't flow with me, I guess.

So LS: not worth it to me, kind of like unevolved Leilan, who only procs on Wd/Lt/Fr attacks all at once (in that case, I'm totally keeping for once I UEvo into, say, Awoken Leilan or something with a similar LS[i think that's the only one])
AS: I'd rather have a defense boost for 3-4 turns, not a counter.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on April 01, 2016, 12:40:32 AM
Belial is the only monster in the game that changes Wood -> Fire without changing a secondary color, he's also bind immune and has 3 Fire Rows.

He is an absolutely phenomenal Fire Row Sub, especially if you can skill him up (which is no longer impossible in NA).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 01, 2016, 12:41:28 AM
Belial is an awesome Leilan sub...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 12:45:10 AM
Don't ever sell anything that isn't a duplicate unless you really, really need the MP right away for something. You never know what it's going to become with buffs. But yeah, Belial is solid as hell right now. Even counter, which is a total afterthought and not why you use him at all, has some niche use for killing Resolve enemies.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 01, 2016, 12:54:14 AM
Hikari:  Rule of thumb, even if you don't think you'll use it later, if it's a 5*+ card and not a dupe(or one of several silvers like fairy tale girls, Dragon Swordsmen, etc), keep at least one.  You never know if you'll find some use for em later or wanna make a different team for variety.

Speaking of awesome Leilan subs though, I apparently had four stones counting my inbox ones.  One Coin!Rare Evo Rush stone and subsequent pull later...
(http://i.imgur.com/SzmHpsRl.jpg)
Worth iiiiiiiit!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on April 01, 2016, 12:58:21 AM
I see :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :derp:






Anyways, I'm still not 100% regretting it. Only about 60%.
I guess my thing is that it's more a matter of how often/when I'll use it. I just didn't really feel I'd ever have a need for him at the time, and only sort of feel like he would be useful now. I just don't feel like investing as much as is necessary to make him a good sub. a UUEvo, plus full TAMAs would probably take months upon months for me, and while sure, it's PAD, you grind, at that point I would completely forget I even had him.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on April 01, 2016, 01:28:14 AM
That's not really true, remember :

Tamadra Dungeons appear somewhat often, you can also get them from other dungeons, rewards or even the PEM.
For the materials, it isn't as troublesome as you think, i haven't been playing PAD for long, maybe 2 months ? But if i wanted to UEvo my LKali i could do it right now, Evo Mats can be obtained through many ways ! Needs some Mystic Masks ? Go do Ocean of Heaven, lacking some Color Dragon Fruits ? You can get some at the PEM at a pretty decent rate, going for the Jewels ? Every now and then the Chinese Girls appear and you can also find their invades on Descends at times, also PEM.
And you'll never know when will you dig through your box to try and find that one card which would finally have it's use, Edible can attest to that, after all, he (or his drunken self at least) accidentally sold a card that later came as a problem to him.

Tl;dr : Never underestimate a card, it's Ls sucks ? Use as a Sub ! AS isn't that great ? Combo it with another one ! It's still not of much use ? A new UEvo can quickly change that ! And besides, if it's not a REM, it WILL BE a Evo Material, maybe not now, but it will. (*cough* Zaerog *cough*)

Long Post is Long
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on April 01, 2016, 01:32:05 AM
Anyways, I'm still not 100% regretting it. Only about 60%.
I guess my thing is that it's more a matter of how often/when I'll use it. I just didn't really feel I'd ever have a need for him at the time, and only sort of feel like he would be useful now. I just don't feel like investing as much as is necessary to make him a good sub. a UUEvo, plus full TAMAs would probably take months upon months for me, and while sure, it's PAD, you grind, at that point I would completely forget I even had him.

I'll have to disagree. Yes it takes some time, but had I taken your way of doing things I wouldn't have my absolutely top-tier Vishnu team.

Or my Super tanky and stally AHorus team.

I mean, yes, your stuff now may not seem like you'll use it much. Then you roll more stuff and suddenly you find yourself having a very good and top-tier team of your choosing.

Or at least that's what happened to me in... oh like six of my teams.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on April 01, 2016, 02:32:22 AM
Gonna stop making excuses  :(

Anyways, lesson learned.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on April 01, 2016, 02:36:41 AM
Anyways, lesson learned.

That's really the most important part, since you can't really take it back. Just try not to make the same mistake twice.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 02:58:07 AM
I mean it's not like you threw away, say, Gabriel or something important. If you're going to make a mistake you may as well make a small mistake. :derp: ;)

Legendary Snowy Valley challenge mode is driving me crazy. It's not that it seems impossible (although I don't know, maybe I'm underestimating stalling on Ilsix for a long time) it's just that it takes so long to lose when I lose...

I'm putting out a call for any and all information anyone has on challenge clear for it. Teams, strategies, things to keep in mind. I can't just bash my head into this until I figure it out like I did with Lifive. It just takes too long.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on April 01, 2016, 03:13:02 AM
I think I've spent over 1000 stam on lifive tries

I don't even care anymore
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 03:28:12 AM
Yeah I gotta say I don't think I could've handled Lifive without a blue rows team. He just has a too much HP and gives you too little time to kill him.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 01, 2016, 03:43:02 AM
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-0/p173x172/12936739_1259322830762973_1447777769442160723_n.png?oh=6ce9daf41255868fa445c27c2be941d1&oe=5785FEC9)

to drain your wallet from 4/4 to 4/17
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on April 01, 2016, 03:46:36 AM
Yeah I gotta say I don't think I could've handled Lifive without a blue rows team. He just has a too much HP and gives you too little time to kill him.
I'm using Andromeda

Ive beaten angelion once and then failed to ohko lifive and died
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 04:25:41 AM
How many damage enchances are you using? I used both Blodin and AI&I. I popped I&I on Angelion and Blodin on Lifive, with a turn of I&I enhance remaining. My team had 6x attack, two rows, and 15(?) row enhances. I'll be honest and say I wasn't really paying that much attention when I bursted Lifive so I don't know how much I overkilled him by, if any.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 01, 2016, 04:30:45 AM
How many damage enchances are you using? I used both Blodin and AI&I. I popped I&I on Angelion and Blodin on Lifive, with a turn of I&I enhance remaining. My team had 6x attack, two rows, and 15(?) row enhances. I'll be honest and say I wasn't really paying that much attention when I bursted Lifive so I don't know how much I overkilled him by, if any.

It's probably less that and the fact that because he is using Andromeda, he HAS to kill Lifive in one turn because I don't think he would have enough health to survive the next hit, which is why I used Nut.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 05:05:15 AM
I wouldn't plan on taking any Lifive hits since he gives himself a large combo shield on the first turn and that seems like it creates too much opportunity for things to go wrong. Maybe he's just too bulky to kill outside of extremely optimal circumstances and most people may have no choice but to deal with it, but I'd say going for the one-shot kill should be the goal if at all possible.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 01, 2016, 06:05:25 AM
I wouldn't plan on taking any Lifive hits since he gives himself a large combo shield on the first turn and that seems like it creates too much opportunity for things to go wrong. Maybe he's just too bulky to kill outside of extremely optimal circumstances and most people may have no choice but to deal with it, but I'd say going for the one-shot kill should be the goal if at all possible.

What I banked on going into the fight was at least doing 75% of his health, which I did handily. From there I can definitely still do 6+ combo if I do one row, and I ended up finishing him under the 500K damage shield, even. It's definitely another way to do it, but you need to know what you hit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on April 01, 2016, 11:10:19 AM
PAD Academy refresh might be pretty hype now if they removed the junk and replaced it with the new cards
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on April 01, 2016, 11:43:52 AM
Really gungho ANOTHER KALI?

Also wow what an SS Isis buff >_>

They didn't even bother drawing new art, they just gave her a ponytail which makes her look more like Nep than Isis now
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 12:49:08 PM
Wow, the new fairy tale girls suck. They are way worse than the normal ones outside of some very niche applications.

Why is the new Theurgia a five-star? Wasn't Christmas Paulina four stars? Beach Armadel pretty much confirmed, but hopefully she's not even more rare...

Meanwhile, I've been sitting on full pal points for like four days waiting for enhance carnival, but it's just rare monster carnival! That's the worst of all possible carnivals!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on April 01, 2016, 01:06:58 PM
So. After all of that, I rolled another four times, and got a Maeda, another Snow White, another Verd, and an I&I. Out of the two duplicates I rolled, what should I do with them? Are there teams that benefit from two of those things, or should I skill-up with them (3x event), or just sell them?

I'm talking about Snow White and Verd, just to make that clear.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 01:12:08 PM
Sell them. Those aren't really cards that work well in multiples (some people will disagree with me on Verdandi, but I'm strongly against stacking three-color board changes) and no skillup is worth that many monster points.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 01, 2016, 01:17:48 PM
Sell them. Those aren't really cards that work well in multiples (some people will disagree with me on Verdandi, but I'm strongly against stacking three-color board changes) and no skillup is worth that many monster points.

Verdandi may be a good skill inherit onto Leilan, but that's only for the dedicated, I think.

Wow, the new fairy tale girls suck. They are way worse than the normal ones outside of some very niche applications.

Why is the new Theurgia a five-star? Wasn't Christmas Paulina four stars? Beach Armadel pretty much confirmed, but hopefully she's not even more rare...

This along with two repeat characters really baffled me. GH is really losing it. Apparently even JP has complained about Kali and Sakuya stealing more of the spotlight as well.

Athena UUVO(Awoken?) School ver. is the only real solid thing that came out of this. Everything else was just kinda sad. I want to like the new fairytale girls but losing the heartmake is a giant dealbreaker, and the game is very weird in that going from 2->3 turns of bind cleared is such a bigger deal compared from going to 3->4(sorry ame).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on April 01, 2016, 01:21:50 PM
Cool, that's what I was hoping. Well, I'm off!
Actually, because I'm not sure about this, should I swap my Gold Keeper with Maeda once I level him up? I'm trying to drop the Keeper off of my team, but for the stats and AS, I'm considering Takkun for the Pollux Synergy and TPA, but I could start my combo with Maeda, then use Sunrich > Pollux > Two Mystic Masks.


Yes, my team kinda sucks. I just try to get 3 5+ linked orb combos after that, because if the LS. Just to point out that I'm not fullboarding while I have a Pollux.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on April 01, 2016, 01:59:13 PM
Wow, the new fairy tale girls suck. They are way worse than the normal ones outside of some very niche applications.

Why is the new Theurgia a five-star? Wasn't Christmas Paulina four stars? Beach Armadel pretty much confirmed, but hopefully she's not even more rare...

Meanwhile, I've been sitting on full pal points for like four days waiting for enhance carnival, but it's just rare monster carnival! That's the worst of all possible carnivals!
wait really they skipped enhance

I'm so done with this game
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 02:06:32 PM
Actually I will say this for the new fairy tale girls,  their active does have applications for skill inheritance since it fills two niches at once. It does kind of a bad job of both of them, but that could be relevant. Maybe. And unlike the good fairy tales it doesn't break rainbow boards.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on April 01, 2016, 02:09:29 PM
You can't inherit the school faries they're only 4 star
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 02:34:41 PM
Fuck you're right they're trash.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on April 01, 2016, 02:50:26 PM
Nothing a retrospective, hasty patch-up announcement to backlash and april fools! joke a suspicious retcon can't fix.

Annuthrr Kalyy?!?!? angrish fangrish grunting noises
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Dorakyura on April 01, 2016, 03:20:28 PM
Really gungho ANOTHER KALI?

Also wow what an SS Isis buff >_>

They didn't even bother drawing new art, they just gave her a ponytail which makes her look more like Nep than Isis now

I though like "wait, what is the difference?", but I really though she looks more Nephysh, thanks for pointing that out.

Soon in "Another" Collab: Another Kali!
SS Athena looks great, those 2 rows make here super hybrid and she has Healer, with or without glasses. Awoken Astaroth approves, I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 01, 2016, 03:44:17 PM
I want Schoolthena, and SSIsis would be fine, but the rest of it is either useless or "STOP MAKING SAKUYAS AND KALIS ALREADY" so my stones are probably safe.

Guess it's time to pray for summer to be good?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 03:50:55 PM
Well we know summer will be good because it'll be another chance to get that fuuucking pirate lady I couldn't pull last time.

Lifeguard Gabriel too plz thx Gungho.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 01, 2016, 03:55:44 PM
I would totally give you one if I could, no lie.  I dont think Ill ever remember to raise the one, much less two of em.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on April 01, 2016, 04:13:27 PM
Now that beach Pandora is like all of irrelevant compared to her uuevo and awoken non-bikini-clad selves, I'd die for new outfit upgrades.

Or towel Osiris with beach ball medje, I can dig that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on April 01, 2016, 05:35:09 PM
Ahahahahahahahah
Duplicate Fenrir.

Running two of these guys plus another Fenrir friend lead is enough to have jammers all the flipping time, right?

I just need that G/B Kali+jammer descend boss and some form of light (Yomidra? Awoken Lucifer?) and I'll be good to GET DOWN AND JAM.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 01, 2016, 05:43:58 PM
I wanted to make an awoken leilan team but then I rolled saria last night :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 01, 2016, 05:48:54 PM
I wanted to make an awoken leilan team but then I rolled saria last night :V
Put her in the box to rot and make ALei team anyway because it's more interesting?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on April 01, 2016, 05:57:43 PM
I wanted to make an awoken leilan team but then I rolled saria last night :V

I have a Thor, i guess we can work out a Thoria ?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 01, 2016, 06:44:18 PM
I wanted to make an awoken leilan team but then I rolled saria last night :V

Put Saria's skill on Leilan for actual shenanigans. Wait long enough and 7star will now heal you.

EDIT: Hephaestus Dragon enemy stats datamined...

100m HP

Preemptive: -15 CD to all your skills. Very fair.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on April 01, 2016, 07:11:02 PM
EDIT: Hephaestus Dragon enemy stats datamined...

100m HP

Preemptive: -15 CD to all your skills. Very fair.
Welp.
Time to roll some Lucifers or whoever else to attach like a tumor to your burst mons.

Players can now deal with skill delay->players will now have to deal with skill delay
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 01, 2016, 07:22:29 PM
Well, to be fair it was basically expected, wasn't it?

Still, wonderful game design.

I'll just stick here and enjoy my new AHaku who I will probably forget I have for a while.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on April 01, 2016, 07:35:16 PM
Now that beach Pandora is like all of irrelevant compared to her uuevo and awoken non-bikini-clad selves, they better give her a good uevo AND let me roll her.

Fixed.

Today i wanted to roll once just to not have regrets...... dupe Sleeping Beauty
"oh come on, at least give me a gold for the yoloroll.... >_> "
roll again..... dupe Dragon Samurai
"WHAT? Ok, to hell with saving stones! You WILL drop me a gold! >.<"

...... ZUOH  :D

Stupid, stubborn Espa 1 - Rngastard 0  :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on April 01, 2016, 07:37:08 PM
Put Saria's skill on Leilan for actual shenanigans. Wait long enough and 7star will now heal you.

EDIT: Hephaestus Dragon enemy stats datamined...

100m HP

Preemptive: -15 CD to all your skills. Very fair.

To repeat, thank fuck these guys are mostly crap.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on April 01, 2016, 07:52:35 PM
Someone here already mentioned that they preferred skill delay to be a mechanic players would just have to deal with, to give it a different roadblock effect than skill blocks.
Except the thing with sbrs is that 80% resist is 0% and certain team compositions can fluctuate or have greater viability depending on how crucial it is for you to have full sbr. What I don't like about this new 'skill delay resist' is that it basically becomes, how many auxiliary mons do you have? Your (already viable) team comp stays the same except you tack on those various reserves, whose only purpose is to be an awakening, essentially. How many tans and other materials are you willing to spend to juggle around these 'skill delay resist' mons with actual mons whose inherited skill contributes to a team composition? It's rather poorly designed imo.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 01, 2016, 08:09:10 PM
Has anyone else done any rare moster carnival pulls and found it to be actually decent? I ended up doing twenty and only got one mythical beast. Actually ended up getting a bunch of skillups on things. Maybe they tweaked the droprates to make it actually sort of worth it?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on April 01, 2016, 08:14:45 PM
Oh hello scheat.  Nice of you to join the party.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on April 01, 2016, 08:20:53 PM
I got A LOT of Jewels from those, just today i got a Water one, this way i can UEvo Thor or wait til i get a Light one and UEvo Sakuya.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on April 01, 2016, 09:36:28 PM
Has anyone else done any rare moster carnival pulls and found it to be actually decent? I ended up doing twenty and only got one mythical beast. Actually ended up getting a bunch of skillups on things. Maybe they tweaked the droprates to make it actually sort of worth it?

They put too many things in it imo. They should split in in two and give them their own time in the machine. Maybe split the amount of time the carnival lasts and have it feature the first group for one part and the other group for the last part. Trying to get actual skillups from that place is annoying. Since they have the pre evolved forms the skill, the carnival has lost some of its appeal imo. 
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on April 01, 2016, 10:37:29 PM
Maaaan.

I have blue jewels out the ass because I've almost never had a use for them, but I won't be able to get karin awoken before the skill changes ;_;

At least it's changing to something else I can use, but I still need to hang onto a bunch so hopefully scheat  doesn't take forever to skill.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 02, 2016, 12:46:25 AM
Oh cool does that mean the green one will be an Australis skillup? I do have two of those to take care of. Not that I'll ever use them, but I like the idea of having them.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 02, 2016, 12:55:21 AM
Oh cool does that mean the green one will be an Australis skillup? I do have two of those to take care of. Not that I'll ever use them, but I like the idea of having them.
/me looks it up

It does indeed!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on April 02, 2016, 01:28:43 AM
Oh cool does that mean the green one will be an Australis skillup? I do have two of those to take care of. Not that I'll ever use them, but I like the idea of having them.

So my Rowstralis will need to get a Jewel diet along with Pengdra side course to grow and get strong ? :(
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on April 02, 2016, 03:17:51 AM
Ended up blowing more of my hard-earned stones. Most stuff was insta-sell dupes, but I did get Algedi, so I guess that's okay???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on April 02, 2016, 05:33:12 AM
10:30PM here, did another team-challenge and rolled again; got a RSonia. Not bad, IMO.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on April 02, 2016, 06:29:39 AM
10:30PM here, did another team-challenge and rolled again; got a RSonia. Not bad, IMO.

Man, you're about an year and a half too late on that roll. Anyone remember when Ronia/Lu Bu was The Shit™?

Meanwhile, I pull three times hoping for a Kaede. And it goes like:

> pull
> "KAEDE KAEDE KAEDE"
> sumire
> high-pitched-angry-squealing

I then proceed to roll twice more and get a dupe Karin and a Chiyome and I sell both.

I should probably forget about ever getting a Kaede at this point :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on April 02, 2016, 10:52:10 AM
notable godfest pulls:

(http://i.imgur.com/IJJWMR7.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/In5tc8S.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/4bAReQX.jpg)

2nd Eschamali rofl
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on April 02, 2016, 11:52:27 AM
notable godfest pulls:

(http://i.imgur.com/IJJWMR7.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/In5tc8S.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/4bAReQX.jpg)

2nd Eschamali rofl

*Looks at Magic Stones Counter*

Uhh, well, so that is JP ? No fair ;-; You should share with the poor too !
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on April 02, 2016, 11:55:09 AM
Uhh, well, so that is JP ? No fair ;-; You should share with the poor too !

people call me a whale . -.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Pesco on April 02, 2016, 12:21:33 PM
people call me a whale . -.

bcuz u fat

:V (I whale too because ~*hard-earned income~*~)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on April 02, 2016, 12:23:06 PM
people call me a whale . -.
bc it tru
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on April 02, 2016, 12:47:21 PM
bc it tru

I ain't denying it :V Lots of JP who spend way more than me though
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on April 02, 2016, 07:32:50 PM
so apparently the new MP waifu is actually op

~*o*~everyone do the power creep dance~*o*~
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on April 02, 2016, 07:37:16 PM
so apparently the new MP waifu is actually op

~*o*~everyone do the power creep dance~*o*~

suikama have you been drinking tierlists again

you need to stop that dude, you have a problem
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 02, 2016, 08:15:14 PM
In more important news:

10x Descends from 4/4-4/10, Hera-Sowilo and Tengu are in coin dungeons for the duration with 1.5x drop

7 more stones and a gift dungeon instead of tamadras like everyone expected

Bleach Incoming which is another stone

Athena Tournament is another stone

NA Stream on 4/8 will probably give another stone at minimum

NA looking pretty nice right now
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on April 02, 2016, 08:26:02 PM
suikama have you been drinking tierlists again

you need to stop that dude, you have a problem
She has super high HP and RCV due to heart spam

Makes her able to clear stuff like Zeus Mech solo
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on April 03, 2016, 10:54:34 AM
suikama have you been drinking tierlists again

you need to stop that dude, you have a problem

She's strong in a "you can beat pretty much anything if you have this specific team and maybe this specific skill inherited" kind of way

That's to say she isn't OP but you're being delusional if you're dismissing her strength.

She's basically Ra Dragon but somehow less flexible, but then you're pretty much biased against MP stuff and universally call pretty much all of them garbage soooo
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on April 03, 2016, 12:31:23 PM
Just a note here:

Tomorrow, PreDra Infestation will come back, hopefull we`ll get lucky and have nice drops.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on April 03, 2016, 03:03:08 PM
ahhh guys what do I do with 280 stamina but only 28000 exp to rank up

King Carnival??? :|
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on April 03, 2016, 03:08:10 PM
Probably, dunno.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on April 03, 2016, 03:36:09 PM
ahhh guys what do I do with 280 stamina but only 28000 exp to rank up

King Carnival??? :|

This is what I would do.

Speaking of which, why did they skip enhance carnival and go back to rare monster carnival? :|
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on April 03, 2016, 03:40:46 PM
Speaking of which, why did they skip enhance carnival and go back to rare monster carnival? :|

About 549878 other players are wondering the same thing, me included, i have 18 Rolls that were waiting to get me some EXP Fodder.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 03, 2016, 05:10:21 PM
This is what I would do.

Speaking of which, why did they skip enhance carnival and go back to rare monster carnival? :|

They had to screw us over somehow with all the awesome event bonuses we just got.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 03, 2016, 07:14:15 PM
They had to screw us over somehow with all the awesome event bonuses we just got.
If that is the price I have to pay they can keep rare monster carnival up forever if we can keep the descend and skillup bonuses, not gonna lie.  Totally worth.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 03, 2016, 09:15:02 PM
I just played co-op for the second time using my Shiva and his Urd, and it was horrific. He is a terrible, terrible player. he wasted 240 of my stamina by just failing to ever even attempt to do prongs, even when they were super obvious. It's no wonder he's been playing for longer than me and is like half my rank.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 03, 2016, 09:19:25 PM
I just played co-op for the second time using my Shiva and his Urd, and it was horrific. He is a terrible, terrible player. he wasted 240 of my stamina by just failing to ever even attempt to do prongs, even when they were super obvious. It's no wonder he's been playing for longer than me and is like half my rank.
I forget if there was some established reason why you don't, but you could get better results probably by pairing with us here if you go on the IRC or something...*prods the link in Chirei's signature and the channel callout in mine*

Still sucks to lose 12 hours of stam though, ouch.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 03, 2016, 09:55:09 PM
I wasn't doing this to accomplish anything, he just kept bothering me to help him beat Legend Plus dungeons.

I haven't teamed up with anyone here because nobody plays anything that works with any of my stuff. Until recently anyway. And my teams that can team up with anyone are so rough that I don't think they can probably do much I can't do solo. I'm sure I'll team up with one of you guys eventually, but I don't have very high expectations right now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on April 03, 2016, 10:11:49 PM
I just played co-op for the second time using my Shiva and his Urd, and it was horrific. He is a terrible, terrible player. he wasted 240 of my stamina by just failing to ever even attempt to do prongs, even when they were super obvious. It's no wonder he's been playing for longer than me and is like half my rank.

This is 50% of the reason I haven't touched co-op. The other reason is finding time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 03, 2016, 10:19:42 PM
My internet can be unstable sometimes too so I have some concern about accidentally fucking over a stranger if I get dropped mid-dungeon.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 03, 2016, 11:24:23 PM
I wasn't doing this to accomplish anything, he just kept bothering me to help him beat Legend Plus dungeons.

I haven't teamed up with anyone here because nobody plays anything that works with any of my stuff. Until recently anyway. And my teams that can team up with anyone are so rough that I don't think they can probably do much I can't do solo. I'm sure I'll team up with one of you guys eventually, but I don't have very high expectations right now.

I run the strangest stuff out of anyone in the chat and have probably gotten off the most co-op rounds overall.

I also don't really play co-op for the intent to need to beat something, but for fun. I grew a lot less mad about the idea once I started taking it on those terms.

My internet can be unstable sometimes too so I have some concern about accidentally fucking over a stranger if I get dropped mid-dungeon.

Disconnects happen, and the people here are generally aware that it's no big deal. It's really only frustrating imo when you're playing with a guy that doesn't know how to use their lead like that friend of yours.

I'd suggest using data if it's not spotty in your area - I did a few dozen test runs on release and all those runs only used up mere kbs of data.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 04, 2016, 03:44:18 AM
This deserves its own post.

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12512772_825455774225397_860534023191073153_n.png?oh=578b71bb262f5cce7160f4a362834945&oe=577DDDD4)

 [Three Kingdoms]
Cao Cao
Sun Quan
Liu Bei
Da Qiao & Xiao Qiao
Lu Bu

[Indian Series 2 Gods]
Krishna
Sarasvati
Vishnu
Ganesha
Durga

[Egyptian Series 2 Gods]
Set
Nut
Osiris
Hathor
Nephthys

[Angel Series 2 Gods]
Red Angel, Rozuel
Blue Angel, Famiel
Green Angel, Ruel
Holy Angel, Ariel
Dark Angel, Lumiel

[Samurai Gods]
Sanada Yukimura
Mori Motonari
Ishida Mitsunari
Maeda Keiji
Akechi Mitsuhide

[Mechanical Star Series Gods]
Antares
Alrescha
Spica
Pollux
Castor

[Godfest Exclusives]
Goddess of Secrets, Kali
Goddess of Power, Kali
The Norn Urd
The Norn Verdandi
The Norn Skuld
White Beast Demon, Ilm
Black Beast Demon, Zuoh
Red Dragonbound, Gadius
Black Dragonbound, Typhon
Orange Dragonbound, Saria
Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
Green Dragonbound, Sylvie
Scarlet Dragon Caller, Tsubaki
Indigo Dragon Caller, Sumire
Jasper Dragon Caller, Kaede
Sun Dragon Caller, Kanna
Moon Dragon Caller, Satsuki
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on April 04, 2016, 03:55:03 AM
Is that literally just an additional Godfest but without risk of trash?

And as a sidenote, crie-ery-tim rank 91
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on April 04, 2016, 03:57:19 AM
Nah, it's a one-time pull. But no worries! You're not too far away from your first memorial pull, which you get at either 100 or 150, I think. It has everything from before the Three Kingdoms Pantheon, I think.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on April 04, 2016, 04:04:28 AM
Pretty sure it's 150. I could use an auto-healer God, but Ammy RNG doesn't like me, so I'm not getting my hopes up there. For the most part, I'm only ever competent at dungeons when I'm using either a friend's AwokenAma or Pollux.

EDIT: I'm 90% sure Ammy is from before Three Kingdoms.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 04, 2016, 04:43:31 AM
Pretty sure it's 150. I could use an auto-healer God, but Ammy RNG doesn't like me, so I'm not getting my hopes up there. For the most part, I'm only ever competent at dungeons when I'm using either a friend's AwokenAma or Pollux.

EDIT: I'm 90% sure Ammy is from before Three Kingdoms.
1:  You will want to learn to not rely on autoheal leaders; they're handy crutches for earlier in the game, but they're just that:  crutches.  Outside of if you can form a proper team for Awoken Amaterasu (or to a lesser extent, Attackerasu,  the L/R form you might see on some super rare occasion) they're usually really limited by the time you get to later on as leads.  Using a friend Pollux, on the other hand, is good.

2:  Ammy's in the Rank 150 Memorial REM, as she is part of the Japanese series of gods, both sets of whom are included.
The included pantheons are:
-Greco-Roman Series 1 AND 2
-Norse
-Egyptian Series 1
-Japanese Series 1 AND 2
-Indian Series 1
-Chinese
-Archangels Series 1
-Archdevils
-Heroes

GFEs:
-Odins
-Sonias
-Metatrons
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on April 04, 2016, 05:08:06 AM
Hmm... I see. I guess I'll try to practice without autoheal then.

On the topic of team-building, what should I try to replace a Keeper of Gold with? I absolutely hate having that thing there, but they're pretty good. I just don't like having three Evo Materials on my team. My current strategy is use Sunrich>Pollux>Keeper>Mystic Mask to get a full board of enhance minus five, and then link five on the far left, shove the five non-light next to that, and then have the remaining twenty orbs next to all that, for 3.01x on the twenty, combo'd to three, times four with Pollux. Or even more if I have a Pollux helper. That nets around 3,000,000 damage max, if I'm correct. I'd like to either improve upon this strategy or just replace the Keeper, but with the stats the Keeper has, I can't find much to replace it with, while maintaining or keeping similar the active skill.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 04, 2016, 05:14:27 AM
Ah, is your PADHerder current?  Maybe I can come up with something.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on April 04, 2016, 05:25:47 AM
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12512772_825455774225397_860534023191073153_n.png?oh=578b71bb262f5cce7160f4a362834945&oe=577DDDD4)

[Godfest Exclusives]
Scarlet Dragon Caller, Tsubaki
Indigo Dragon Caller, Sumire
Jasper Dragon Caller, Kaede

Oh you just know that I'm gonna pull Tsubaki and then have the two RGB JP Dragon Callers except the one I actually want.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mеа on April 04, 2016, 05:50:24 AM
Ooh new memorial rem? That's cool, if only I actually really needed something from it. Maybe Zuoh, but I don't really need-need it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 04, 2016, 06:24:08 AM
What's the largest discount coin dungeons can get? Is it the current 50%? I should probably do King Carnival from the coin dungeons just for completion, but I don't really want to pay that much for it if possible.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 04, 2016, 09:09:55 AM
What's the largest discount coin dungeons can get? Is it the current 50%? I should probably do King Carnival from the coin dungeons just for completion, but I don't really want to pay that much for it if possible.

half
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on April 04, 2016, 10:25:22 AM
Memorial roll: Gadius #3 of COURSE of all the many things I don't have it's a dupe

Also gungho for the love of GOD stop putting fucking Predras in ranking dungeons, you fools
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on April 04, 2016, 11:37:30 AM
Okay lets do thiANOTHER DKALI JESUS CHRIST

This game is so rigged for dupes it's not even funny

Okay it's a little bit funny in this case o3o
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 04, 2016, 11:38:07 AM
FUUUUUCK yeah I got Ishida Mitsunari, the last thing I pulled from the normal REM and  that I wasn't that thrilled about then either. Thought about keeping him since he seems vaguely intetesting to stack, but I'm never going to get around to that. Why couldn't it have been the blue one?

I'm 2/2 for things I give absolutely zero shits about from memorial REMs. Oh well.

Edit: I'm just over 50% of the way to another MP dragon though, so that's cool.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on April 04, 2016, 12:08:40 PM
I got another sun quan, which would've been nice two years ago when I had any use for a sun quan <_<
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Chaore on April 04, 2016, 12:28:49 PM
saria

kenpachi for bleach too

wtb> good rolls
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on April 04, 2016, 12:31:23 PM
Okay lets do thiANOTHER DKALI JESUS CHRIST

This game is so rigged for dupes it's not even funny

lol

i still only have 1 dkali . ___.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 04, 2016, 12:34:23 PM
Is it just me or shouldn't we have gotten super Pandora weeks and weeks ago? I thought Korea got her a while ago, and we're usually just behind them aren't we?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on April 04, 2016, 12:49:35 PM
Memorial: Sun Quan (not even worth keeping for skill inheritance....)

Bleach: GOLD! ....... Urahara (*obscene string of profanities at the thought it could have been Ichigo instead of idiotic jammer meta*)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Pesco on April 04, 2016, 01:17:16 PM
Ichigo, Yoruichi and Kenpachi.

Quitting game while i'm ahead.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: trancehime on April 04, 2016, 01:18:50 PM
Bleach: GOLD! ....... Urahara (*obscene string of profanities at the thought it could have been Ichigo instead of idiotic jammer meta*)

me dumpstering kanetsugu descended with urahara (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kFm7J6Peq4)

he's basically the only good jammer lead tbh, I would not complain about getting him tbh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 04, 2016, 01:35:03 PM
Well, if they think jammer meta is stupid then...

It'd be like if I rolled DKali.

Got literally the worst possible roll from my memorial REM pull other than a GFE I don't want(because I couldnt bring myself to sell one of THOSE)...dupe Ganesha of all things.  5k MP, rather.  *sigh*
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: triangles on April 04, 2016, 01:39:51 PM
:hi5: Ganesha buddy!
Though mine wasnt a dupe
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 04, 2016, 01:44:58 PM
Ganesha in single is actually pretty neat, if for nothing else than MORE MONEY.  Fun times.  Still gotta ult him someday myself...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 04, 2016, 02:07:34 PM
Got literally the worst possible roll from my memorial REM pull other than a GFE I don't want(because I couldnt bring myself to sell one of THOSE)...dupe Ganesha of all things.  5k MP, rather.  *sigh*

Skill inherit for invincibility cheat
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on April 04, 2016, 02:10:07 PM
... Hasn't this challenge descended been around for a really long time? <_<
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 04, 2016, 02:19:42 PM
... Hasn't this challenge descended been around for a really long time? <_<
Yeah, it's weird that they decided to make it so long.  A challenge DESCEND that lasted this long would be sweet though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on April 04, 2016, 02:44:23 PM
Ah, is your PADHerder current?  Maybe I can come up with something.

Hehe, I was in Vancouver BC and forgot to update it before that, so no...
I'll do that in just a second. After the GF, it's pretty out-of-date.

EDIT: Updated!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on April 04, 2016, 02:45:47 PM
Oh you just know that I'm gonna pull Tsubaki and then have the two RGB JP Dragon Callers except the one I actually want.

NOPE IT'S A DUPE SUMIRE HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g)

I'm contemplating selling both just out of spite, ugh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on April 04, 2016, 03:08:02 PM
NOPE IT'S A DUPE SUMIRE HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxUNJxg-Rro)

I watched the original of that, and said the exact same thing :o
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on April 04, 2016, 03:10:55 PM
me dumpstering kanetsugu descended with urahara (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kFm7J6Peq4)

he's basically the only good jammer lead tbh, I would not complain about getting him tbh.
Is it worth keeping two Fenrirs around if I can maxskill some of the farmable Kali+Jammer boards?

Also I got a Lumiel from the memorial. An unbindable triple donger board change? Seems legit.
I need to run more of them coin dungeons for her skillups, though. :c
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on April 04, 2016, 04:51:43 PM
Also I got a Lumiel from the memorial. An unbindable triple donger board change? Seems legit.
I need to run more of them coin dungeons for her skillups, though. :c

Her annoying bastard of a skillup monster also drop from Alt. Talos's Abyss and Temple of Trailokya.

On a different note, i finally found a viable Sephiroth team that doesn't castrate itself  :toot:  too bad i'll need to wait until Halloween for one of the pieces  :colonveeplusalpha:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 04, 2016, 05:00:58 PM
Her annoying bastard of a skillup monster also drop from Alt. Talos's Abyss and Temple of Trailokya.

On a different note, i finally found a viable Sephiroth team that doesn't castrate itself  :toot:  too bad i'll need to wait until Halloween for one of the pieces  :colonveeplusalpha:

why halloween, we should get ff back a lot sooner
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on April 04, 2016, 05:09:45 PM
Wtf is Kenpachi and why did I roll him?

Oh well. He seems underwhelming.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 04, 2016, 05:15:04 PM
Wtf is Kenpachi and why did I roll him?

Oh well. He seems underwhelming.
The real question is "why did you roll BLEACH REM?"  =p
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on April 04, 2016, 05:39:31 PM
The real question is "why did you roll BLEACH REM?"  =p

Because BLEACH is the best :) It could be all silvers and I'd still have to roll at least once.

In other news, I really like these Canopener buffs. Makes him appealing as one of those skill link recipiants, though idk who I'd throw on him. I'm leaning toward Delgado.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 04, 2016, 05:41:01 PM
Even though Canopus isn't Balanced?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on April 04, 2016, 06:01:58 PM
Delgado is a descend boss tho so he's not eligible?

I like the idea of Canopus as a Ragnarok sub. But their low CD of 5 basically means you can use Canopus and Hadar and their crazy stats as replacements for mobs with good active skills but bad stats.

I might link Goetua to Zaerogoo. Spawning 5 dark orbs and enhancing dark is waaay good for 6 CD but 13 turns on Zaerogoo isn't unreasonable. The issue with Goetia is her awakenings are "orb enhance" but I'd gladly use her active.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 04, 2016, 06:07:10 PM
Delgado is a REM card, one of the Crest Knights.

http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1654
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on April 04, 2016, 06:17:28 PM
yeah I realized that only after boarding the subway

I was thinking of Diagoldos. Dumb fire dragon spawning light orbs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 04, 2016, 06:18:15 PM
Yeah I really kinda hate him, he's so poorly done.  If he were light/fire instead it'd fix the biggest issue I have with him, really.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: hyorinryu on April 04, 2016, 06:35:08 PM
Even though Canopus isn't Balanced?

Darn. Just realized that Canopener and Sylve aren't balanced. Still, when it's 2.5x, it'll should probably do work even with only 2/3s of the team. They need to make crest actives affect a 2nd type. GH pls. If I&I can do water and dark, Delgado should be able to do balanced and dragons. Ideally I'd use someone like Draggie, but sadly he's not REM. Thoughts on linking Arcline to Lmeta SantaKuya use?

Also, at first, I didn't care for those randomly spawn X amount of orbs, but thinking about it, they're probably pretty useful for 5x4 dungeons.

Yeah I really kinda hate him, he's so poorly done.  If he were light/fire instead it'd fix the biggest issue I have with him, really.

I like to think he's one of those experiments that didn't work out.

In other news. i have a Metatron, and I wish I had Amaterasu instead.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on April 04, 2016, 06:38:46 PM
If he was L/R what would Ariel even exist for?

Making Sakuya board changes? :)

Oh well. Many descend bosses are at least usable so one dud doesn't bother me that much.

re: 5x4 boards
Yomidora is one of the best at clearing them for a reason, I thought?

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Edible on April 04, 2016, 06:55:02 PM
In other news. i have a Metatron, and I wish I had Amaterasu instead.

I have a metatron and I wish I had two amaterasus :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on April 04, 2016, 06:58:28 PM
why halloween, we should get ff back a lot sooner

 ??? I wasn't talking about Sephiroth himself..... i already have him hypermaxed  :V
The team i'm thinking about is  Seph - HKali - HAlraune - D/B Okuni - FLEX - Seph  (the card i actually need to wait halloween for is HAlraune, i'll buy HKali)

- 100% SBR
- unbindable bind clearer
- delay
- full board change
- enhance OUT THE WAZOO

the possible candidates for the Fire spot are:

- HVamp (the only one i already own)
- Nephthys (which would also give the team exactly 5 dark orb enhance)
- Kakkab (possibly worst choice, lowest weighted stats and its active could break the board)
- Fenrir + inherited skill
- Heaven-Shaking FALuci + inherited skill

inherited skill would probably be either a short cooldown shield (HIza/DMeta) or LKali/DKali

with Fenrir and fully hypermaxed the team would have 25k HP, 8k RCV, 7 SB, 5 TE
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 04, 2016, 07:38:02 PM
??? I wasn't talking about Sephiroth himself..... i already have him hypermaxed  :V
The team i'm thinking about is  Seph - HKali - HAlraune - D/B Okuni - FLEX - Seph  (the card i actually need to wait halloween for is HAlraune, i'll buy HKali)

I do not support alraune being shipped with some shirtless guy that smells like ham and cheese
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on April 04, 2016, 08:09:11 PM
oh my goooods even more Fenrir buffs

it's like they reeeally want me to skillmax the second Fenrir as well

but Castor and Hamal need my badpys too
please send money to buy pys
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 04, 2016, 08:15:25 PM
Seriously, constellation skillups when? I'd like to get Spica and Castor online and I think it's pretty unreasonable to have to use piis.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on April 04, 2016, 08:46:49 PM
I do not support alraune being shipped with some shirtless guy that smells like ham and cheese

No can do, i need a D/G with 2 SBR and Aamir is bindable  :V

And Seph isn't shirtless anymore  :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 04, 2016, 09:00:14 PM
You're right except one thing:  Aamir is NOT bindable.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on April 04, 2016, 09:02:57 PM
Hey, how much mobile data does PAD use ? I need to plan a new internet service for my phone.

And once i get to Rank 150, I'll roll like hell to try and get Amaterasu, cause best healer/waifu, then there is Famiel as best daugtherfu to pair with Skuld. ^^
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on April 04, 2016, 09:12:37 PM
You're right except one thing:  Aamir is NOT bindable.

LOL how did i reach that conclusion?? I meant to say that Aamir doesn't have 2 SBR  :blush:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 04, 2016, 09:14:49 PM
Amaterasu, cause best healer

:colbert:

Ahem.

Gabriel.

(And don't say he's not a waifu, because in that case various Valkyries and Kali would have words.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on April 04, 2016, 10:06:27 PM
I would contest Kushinadahime for strongest healer waifu in terms of raw ATK as well. Andromeda also has more HP so that's a thing.

Kushinadahime wins out in terms of Healer in overall weighted so YOU KNOW.

Best healer is still Awoken Kirin Gabriel though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Espadas on April 04, 2016, 10:18:52 PM
Actually there is a cute lady that might have something to say about "strongest Healer".....

her name is Xiang Mei  :derp:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 04, 2016, 10:27:30 PM
I would contest Kushinadahime for strongest healer waifu in terms of raw ATK as well. Andromeda also has more HP so that's a thing.

Kushinadahime wins out in terms of Healer in overall weighted so YOU KNOW.

Best healer is still Awoken Kirin Gabriel though.

Kushi's clothes are also pretty fucking great. She may win best outfit, and she's got that God/Healer/Attacker typing going on that we all love so much. She's just got quite a bit of competition for her niche so she loses out a little in actual usage. I've never bothered to use mine over Susano.

Andro is scum, she is a disgrace to the healer name because I wasted so many stones failing to pull her.

Actually there is a cute lady that might have something to say about "strongest Healer".....

her name is Xiang Mei  :derp:

Nobody said "strongest", this is about "best". And she is not best. :colbert:

She's not bad though.

(Is Xiang Mei a woman? The "gentleman flower" thing is still throwing me although I know it's a translation oddity.)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on April 04, 2016, 10:39:41 PM
Sssssssso Noah Dragon is basically an HP knockoff of Neptune Dragon that looks even more generic.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on April 04, 2016, 10:43:03 PM
:colbert:

Ahem.

Gabriel.

(And don't say he's not a waifu, because in that case various Valkyries and Kali would have words.)
I would contest Kushinadahime for strongest healer waifu in terms of raw ATK as well. Andromeda also has more HP so that's a thing.

Kushinadahime wins out in terms of Healer in overall weighted so YOU KNOW.

Best healer is still Awoken Kirin Gabriel though.

First, he's a husbando :V
Second, he is not Light.
Third, even though i think Kushi is awesome as hell, she isn't light either (Which is a real shame for me.)
Fourth, this is my opinion, so stop this and answer my original question !!!
Fifth, Famiel is still best cute angel for me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 04, 2016, 10:45:40 PM
Fourth, this is my opinion, so stop this and answer my original question !!!

I don't know, I don't separate out PAD from my other mobile data. Not so much that it's cranking my bill way up, but I do use local wifi much if not most of the time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 04, 2016, 10:49:54 PM
And Seph isn't shirtless anymore  :derp:

he is still shirtless inside
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: MatsuriSakuragi on April 04, 2016, 11:05:58 PM
Best healer is Awoken Astaroth, all your arguments are....


...countered.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on April 04, 2016, 11:30:36 PM
Best healer is Awoken Astaroth, all your arguments are....


...countered.

I guess your Counterargument is Outshined by the fact that it's not a main Light att card and has no bind clear. :V

Also, may someone provide me with a US Apk link for me please ? Update and all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on April 04, 2016, 11:40:39 PM
Okay enough of the waifus/husbando Wars.

Surely we can agree the best Dragon is Beyzul Zaerog Infinity, yes?

That said, I could use a new light mob. I haven't had anything to put Shynpys into so Elia is skill level 13 already.

but this game keeps giving me dark
:c
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on April 04, 2016, 11:45:17 PM
Okay enough of the waifus/husbando Wars.

Surely we can agree the best Dragon is Beyzul Zaerog Infinity, yes?

That said, I could use a new light mob. I haven't had anything to put Shynpys into so Elia is skill level 13 already.

but this game keeps giving me dark
:c

But didn't Zaerog become a Evo mat for Sonia Gran ? Doesn't that make her the ultimate dragon/dragon eater ?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 04, 2016, 11:49:54 PM
Okay enough of the waifus/husbando Wars.

Surely we can agree the best Dragon is Beyzul Zaerog Infinity, yes?

That said, I could use a new light mob. I haven't had anything to put Shynpys into so Elia is skill level 13 already.

but this game keeps giving me dark
:c

I'm in a similar boat. My Elia isn't quite capped yet. but she's close.

But didn't Zaerog become a Evo mat for Sonia Gran ? Doesn't that make her the ultimate dragon/dragon eater ?

Zaerog Infinity (or Zaerogoo to his friends) is a different Zaeorog than Zaerog. A better Zaerog. Zaerog sucks, Zaerogoo is a coolguy.

Edit: I gotta say, white Sonia is a real strong contender for best dragon (NOT strongest) in my estimation. Maybe that's what I'll do with all my Shypny after Elia. I still kind of want to make a novelty team for her. Too bad her evolved art is so much less good than her pre-evolved art.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: The Greatest Dog on April 04, 2016, 11:58:53 PM
Zaerog Infinity is so metal, he eats himself three times at once to evolve
quite literally, because Zaerog (normal) evolves from Heavy Metal Dragon.

only for Zaerogoo to become an Evo material for Ragnarok
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on April 05, 2016, 12:05:48 AM
"But does he lift ?" -Metalit and co.

Also, please APK ! Need to grab login bonus !
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on April 05, 2016, 02:09:50 AM
Zaerog Infinity is so metal, he eats himself three times at once to evolve
quite literally, because Zaerog (normal) evolves from Heavy Metal Dragon.

only for Zaerogoo to become an Evo material for Ragnarok

Zaerog is both at the bottom of and the top of the food chain. He is the beginning and the end, the α and ω, the zero and the infinity.

He should also totally be 100% the absolute best monster in the game but it's not like I'm salty or anything nope no sir not at all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Pesco on April 05, 2016, 02:22:13 AM
Hey, how much mobile data does PAD use ? I need to plan a new internet service for my phone.

10mb a week is more than enough for PAD (without updates) and whatsapp.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 05, 2016, 02:26:13 AM
Raf:  Also, since it seems to have been forgotten...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B92Cv6OOGfLwVHRzbjFCY0x0WjQ/view

Checked Reddit, hoping this is good and such.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on April 05, 2016, 03:07:04 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/2CSjdor.png)

Oh scheat
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 05, 2016, 03:12:16 AM
Silly, that's Rukia, not Scheat!

(nice going though)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 05, 2016, 03:12:46 AM
o scheat that way too big image size
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Suikama on April 05, 2016, 03:30:09 AM
Is it? I can't tell cause I'm using my phone and it's just the same size as my phone screen since it's a screenshot...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: commandercool on April 05, 2016, 03:46:29 AM
Is it? I can't tell cause I'm using my phone and it's just the same size as my phone screen since it's a screenshot...

It's 1080x1920 for some reason.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Monarda on April 05, 2016, 04:08:58 AM
Raf:  Also, since it seems to have been forgotten...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B92Cv6OOGfLwVHRzbjFCY0x0WjQ/view

Checked Reddit, hoping this is good and such.

Finally one that's not JP ! Thank you.

Edit: Almost lost PreDra Dungeon, i ran it once..... got autoheal latent, damnit GungHo ! Good thing i can do another run later
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Jq1790 on April 05, 2016, 05:30:58 AM
It's probably not even that impressive anymore given it's so long since he came out, but it's about time Karin claimed a Special clear of her own. 

You may be the king, Zaerog...

(http://i.imgur.com/HCqBv1El.jpg)

...but Karin's the queen now.

*simple BG was to see if it'd speed up Athena Tournament earlier and I just keep forgetting to switch it off
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: OverlordChirei on April 05, 2016, 10:30:20 AM
someone make new threadddd
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Hikarin on April 05, 2016, 03:00:49 PM
Mods lock thread please~

Past post #1000.
Oh yeah, I guess someone should shove a link to the new thread here first, for organizational purposes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Thread XXVIII: The Meta Is Too Meta
Post by: Mr. Sacchi on April 05, 2016, 03:13:52 PM
someone make new threadddd

Done. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=19456.new#new)

I am sure I fucked something up. But I need to go to sleep.