4. Editing posts is banned, although depending on the severity of the edit punishment may be more lax.The Serela Did a Spellcheck Rule
that's not my name
I'm not much of an RVS guy but if you really want me to vote for someone I can
Shipping Sky.Sky x CF7 OTP
Come on man, we filled up 8 pages of RVS discussion and then found 2/3 scum on the first day in our last game. You were there! I can't believe you forgot it already.Yeah I guess that's true but I never really know who to vote for.
Like, you refer to RVS as "a thing", "a mess", and "a necessary evil".Well that's what i believe in. It's stupid. Mostly irrelevant without additional information. But it does leads to the actual discussion.
These words of yours imply that you don't believe that RVS is all that beneficial and exists only as a stepping stone that leads into actual discussion.
So, if you only see RVS as a tool that is used to lead into some actual discussion, why does it matter if Murrin decides to abstain from participating in it?If people do not participate in RVS, then where and when that same proper discussion starts? Without some initial posts you can't just accuse someone. Or rather you can, but then it will be no different from actual RVS. And by that logic Murrin's refusal to participate in RVS is scummy.
As long as the discussion starts, it shouldn't matter how many people participate in the RVS and with how much zeal does it?
After all, judging by the way that you described the RVS, you're of the opinion that the RVS is completely irrelevant and only the proper discussion that follows should be taken into consideration.
And why did you ignore ActionDan and Darkninjaabc who both also decided that they didn't want to participate in the RVS?Because wording was different. DNA actually voted you. So he participated in RVS. Dan is Dan, honestly. From what i've seen, he likes to analyze things and that's that. Murrin is similar, but he simply refused to participate at all. And since i don't know his meta, that kinda made him scummier in comparison.
Like, that's super inconsistant.
So Murrin is scummy for not wanting to participate in the RVS because Sky Palladium said so and ActionDan and Darkninjaabc are okay because they haven't been mentioned by anyone else yet.
Is that what you're trying to say?Congratz! You totes unveiled my nefarious scheme. Because being super invested during RVS phase is that's what we all do, yep. But your effort is commendable.
Do you know what I think?
I think that you're just trying to look relevant to this game whilst actually offering nothing of any value.
By sheeping Sky Palladium's opinion, you'll look like you're more dedicated to the game than you really are, right?
And, on top of that, you get to form an opinion of your own which means that you're contributing! Yay!
The answer is simple! He's faking a safe and relatively loud opinion in order to look like he's contributing more to this game than he actually is in hopes that his activity, or lack thereof, can go unnoticed and we never lynch him for being the scum that he is.
Well that's what i believe in. It's stupid. Mostly irrelevant without additional information. But it does leads to the actual discussion.If you actually read my post properly, you might have realized that this is part of the entire point.
If people do not participate in RVS, then where and when that same proper discussion starts? Without some initial posts you can't just accuse someone. Or rather you can, but then it will be no different from actual RVS. And by that logic Murrin's refusal to participate in RVS is scummy.... Oh, wait, you are.
Because wording was different. DNA actually voted you. So he participated in RVS. Dan is Dan, honestly. From what i've seen, he likes to analyze things and that's that. Murrin is similar, but he simply refused to participate at all. And since i don't know his meta, that kinda made him scummier in comparison.I missed DNA's vote, I tend to ignore his posts in general. I don't care about him right now though.
Congratz! You totes unveiled my nefarious scheme. Because being super invested during RVS phase is that's what we all do, yep. But your effort is commendable.Thank you! Now please go roll over and die, scumskiis.
Don't know who to vote for yet but I like the discussion. I'd throw out a random vote but I feel like people would say "WHY DID YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT AN RVS GUY AND THEN THROW OUT A RANDOM VOTE" so I'll stay quiet for now.Yes, but people are going to say you're scummy for not voting anyways, so we'd prefer you pick someone and take a stance. It's important for the game of mafia to force everyone to vote just to see where they stand later so throw something out, if you please. There's enough content already imo. What do you think of Sky voting you, do you know him out of game? Is he taking advantage of you, would he normally act like this towards you?
Yes, but people are going to say you're scummy for not voting anyways, so we'd prefer you pick someone and take a stance. It's important for the game of mafia to force everyone to vote just to see where they stand later so throw something out, if you please. There's enough content already imo.##vote Zak for keeping his vote on Dormio after Dormio wrote a pretty reasonable, long post.
Without some initial posts you can't just accuse someone. Or rather you can, but then it will be no different from actual RVS. And by that logic Murrin's refusal to participate in RVS is scummy.CF7, could you elaborate on this? I don't get it.
What do you think of Sky voting you, do you know him out of game? Is he taking advantage of you, would he normally act like this towards you?In Megatokyo Mafia, Sky wouldn't act like this toward me, but things are pretty different over here from Megatokyo, so I'm not going to hold that against him. I will say that I'm not sure of the meaning behind his vote.
In Megatokyo Mafia, Sky wouldn't act like this toward me, but things are pretty different over here from Megatokyo, so I'm not going to hold that against him. I will say that I'm not sure of the meaning behind his vote.
In our most recent game (http://forums.megatokyo.com/index.php?showtopic=1739059), I pushed for a Wave Master lynch for hating on RVS. He later flipped scum.I stand corrected.
Since we probably have 5 doctorsDue to this comment, I will be very interested to hear what kind of role Shadoweh has when the time comes to reveal that.
Question! Doesn't it seem strange to the rest of you that Darkninjaabc asks others to start something and complains about people not defending themselves whilst not even bothering to put down a vote anywhere?
So, for those still reading, why does this make CF7 scummy?
Everything else basically...I don't recall anybody sheeping me in living memory so I thought this was odd. I can get behind lynching rvs-haters only to a certain extent; once your MO becomes 'lynch people who hate rvs' then it becomes a set play, and the value of rvs is diminished. I voted Murren though because we'd just fucking gone over it in the game we just finished where 2x scums were caught in rvs and I wanted to reach through the screen and shake him until all the salt came out.
I seem to recall Dormio opening up with pretty big walls early on day 1 as town. I can at least remember Puzzle and Dragon he caught scum!CF7 in this way, and there was also another game more recently that I can't really remember. I think this points to town!Dormio.
I generally agree with what Dormio said and the sentiment behind it.
##unvote
##vote CF7
In our most recent game (http://forums.megatokyo.com/index.php?showtopic=1739059), I pushed for a Wave Master lynch for hating on RVS. He later flipped scum.
I also made a case mid day 1 for you, and tried to vig you night 1.
Are you a different person with different memories? I don't get it.
My vote was initially 'I cant believe you forgot our last game' but now its "why are you saying things that happened, didn't happen?"
Come on man, we filled up 8 pages of RVS discussion and then found 2/3 scum on the first day in our last game. You were there! I can't believe you forgot it already.Sky P has been, and still is, constantly referring to past games information and bias against players instead of trying to fault them for their commitment this game and whatnot, I believe this to be a strategy to generate apathy, because of the sheer difficulty for players who simply are not immersed enough in past games and the other forum to actually understand and get involved with Sky P and Murrin's conflict. Sky P can get by unnoticed as the playerbase just filter out his arguments without reading them. In addition, the timestamps also prove that while Sky P has been free on most occasions to make a post detailing his train of thought, it was never done and instead he once again resorted to clinging to other people's thoughts.
It actually is pretty reasonable for me to want the game to progress but without directly posting myself! If you do remember playing with me, I believe that it is a shared sentiment that my analogy is bad, and when they're empty, even moreso. I decided to not post because that has been a verified fact and me being myself only most often set the gamestate back. That's why I only wanted to speak when I have at least more confidence in my decision.edited for slightly better grammar
Alright, since I got started anyway, let me try to keep this coherent. Frankly, I believe the walling is not indicative of both CF7 and Dormio's alignment. Because basically, the reasons dormio provided for CF7 being scum is because his logic isn't sound, which is more commonly know as Punishing Bad PlayersTM, I can only imagine that it is in a perfect world where we would lynch the responsive and eager people D1 and have them turn out to be scum, so I have my reservations. And I suppose since there's been more devoted people-pointing-fingers at one another, we can officially declare this (EDITED IN: the end of) RVS, so let me retract my vote before things become moreits moreconfusing for us
If you actually read my post properly, you might have realized that this is part of the entire point.It's not impossible. But placing a vote, coupled with flips and other votes gives additional information on that player.
The RVS is irrelevant but it leads into discussion. Therefore, why does it matter if one or two people abstain from participating in it when it serves only as a launching pad?
Are you saying that it's impossible to get an early read on somebody without them having placed an early vote?
... Oh, wait, you are.I probably should have worded that differently. I meant that without some initial interaction between players it's impossible to accuse someone. RVS helps with that. But actual votes are not meant to be the focus of the case.
This makes no sense. You're saying that the RVS is irrelevant and is nothing but the groundwork for actual discussion, but here you go on to say that you can't accuse somebody without them having participated in the RVS.
Now that's just all sorts of silly. Your conflicting thoughts on the matter don't make me feel any better about you.
Like I said, I don't really care about DNA's posts.
I missed DNA's vote, I tend to ignore his posts in general. I don't care about him right now though.That just shows your own commitment to the game, i guess.
So what you're saying is that Dan gets a pass for doing the exact same thing as Murrin because he's Dan?That's what i am saying, yes.
Let's face it here, you didn't really care. You were just sheeping an easy case without much weight to it so that you could pass off that joke of a case as your early game contribution.Well i do care.
Thank you! Now please go roll over and die, scumskiis.
Hello~Hi. Is there anything else you want to share?
I seem to recall Dormio opening up with pretty big walls early on day 1 as town. I can at least remember Puzzle and Dragon he caught scum!CF7 in this way, and there was also another game more recently that I can't really remember. I think this points to town!Dormio.Strange. I don't remember that at all. I remember me being caught scum in that game was due to me having a contradictory claim.
I generally agree with what Dormio said and the sentiment behind it.Explain to me, how your own vote is better, please.
##unvote
##vote CF7
Then what should be the things we should be concerned with right now? Imho, it is the people who seem to be waiting to coast to day end while pretending to be contributing. Pretending being the keyword here, because while we can hold someone responsible for the opinions they utter as they are recorded down clearly, we cannot logically fault someone for being inconsistent if they are always sheeping other's while adding very little of their own, this in turn brings me to Sky P's behavior,Quote
You are voting me because you agree with Dormio and I that CF7's 'sheep Sky's vote on to Murren for his RVS philosophy' was vote-worthy.
It seems to me that if you were truly looking for players who were coasting to phase end without offering opinions, you might look at players who have said nothing at all (ActionDan, Serela, Shadoweh, Zakeri) to name a few offhand. Which is a polite way of calling you a liar.
Explain to me, how your own vote is better, please.
Then what should be the things we should be concerned with right now? Imho, it is the people who seem to be waiting to coast to day end while pretending to be contributing. Pretending being the keyword here, because while we can hold someone responsible for the opinions they utter as they are recorded down clearly, we cannot logically fault someone for being inconsistent if they are always sheeping other's while adding very little of their own, this in turn brings me to Sky P's behavior,
Punishing bad players is not a compliment, it means you are using your weapon (vote) to silence others for their incompetence instead of its original purpose, to hunt scum. I believe it is only ever justified to lynch players for bad gameplay when it is directly inhibiting the scumhunt, such as when town would resort to lynching lurkers if information are insufficient. I don't particularly see CF7 mindset being wrong to such a destructive degree, therefore I simply don't agree with that (being lynching CF7) to begin with.
You are voting me because you agree with Dormio and I that CF7's 'sheep Sky's vote on to Murren for his RVS philosophy' was vote-worthy.
I see that you are mainly interested in defending yourself than identifying scum. IMO that's a scum mindset.You are not entirely incorrect, but that's not here nor there.
Shipping Sky. RVS is kinda a thing, and while it's usually a mess, it's a necessary evil.Because to me or possibly anyone else it looks just like harmless RVS and it should be viewed that way, it doesn't even come remotely close to evidence as dedicated support for your 'outside meta', like come on, it seems to me that you are just exaggerating the support of CF7 on you, not to mention that statement was totally outdated and before dormio even questioned CF7.
##Unvote
##Vote Murrin
I'm skeptical of DNA's motives because this push if his started out as supposedly that I am coasting through the game, and that supposedly my posting style this game is supposed to encourage town apathy.
It's now changed to 'Sky's vote was just sheeping Dormio."
However, DNA didn't establish why it was bad to sheep Dormio, but ok for CF7 to sheep Sky. Sheeping is itself not an automatic scum tell, either.
At this stage I'm wondering why my I've spent more time arguing with DNA over my vote than CF7. I'll sleep on it.
Shipping Sky. RVS is kinda a thing, and while it's usually a mess, it's a necessary evil.
##Unvote
##Vote Murrin
@Serela my empty unvote was due to me thinking of whom out of 3 lurkers i should have voted for. Plus we still have an entire day to decide.Doesn't have a vote, because trying to decide which 'lurker' to vote in ED1, that's even more reason to vote you in itself :V
Doesn't have a vote, because trying to decide which 'lurker' to vote in ED1, that's even more reason to vote you in itself :VHow about you then? Jumping on a player with the most votes with a tenuous reasoning at best. At that's practically all of your content up to this point.
it's just a policy vote with a lot of yelling behind it.I can understand where the "policy vote" part comes from (although that's kind of painting it in a bad view with buzzwords, but whatever) but "a lot of yelling" is a blatant misrep no matter how you look at it :S Should I be voting you instead Zakeri? (the answer at the moment is no because I like my current vote, but suffice it to say you're currently my second pick)
But neither of them participated in the discussion that much. And i think both of them are usually more active as a town.I think at this point of the game my level of content isn't that bad. You might be spoiled by there being huge walls on page two for some reason. I am so not getting involved with massive walls made from nothing on page 2. I'd rather be lynched 8I
Questions for everybody.Is there a point to this questionnarie? But i guess i can answer.
1 - What do you think is the best way to catch scum?
2 - When playing as scum, what do you think are your biggest scum-tells?
I think it's more likely CF7 saw me badmouth him and doesn't like me for it then he saw 'no particpation'. That's pretty dishonest.My memory is fuzzy. And it's not the case.
Goddammit guys walls on page 2
I haven't looked at the thread but I saw that my vote for Zak was not counted. Do votes have to be bold on this board?
CF7 might wanna claim.Eh, why not. The phase extension. That was my awesomesauce one-shot ability. So i am functionally a VT now.
I dunno. I'll be accused of hunting down "lurkers" again.I really, really dislike this statement.
Other than that, CF7 hasn't really done anything other than say that he's okay with lynching Zakeri for reasons unknown in the post above this one.Same lack of content.
I think Zak's posts look more actively scummy.
Tenuous reasoning. Empty unvoting is bad, when prodded you said you weren't sure which lurker you wanted to vote for. Lurkers? You're trying to decide which lurker to vote for this early in the game? That's RVS jokevote tier right there. I'm p.content with my vote on you.
##Unvote ##Vote: Serela-snip where I spent two short sentences elaborating in a concise manner-
I understand you think it's bad but you need to explain why it's bad and also why it's a scum move.
I wanted Serela to expand on her vote because as it stands, it's just a policy vote with a lot of yelling behind it.Not only do I not agree (and several other people voiced disagreement with Zak about this as well) but calling it a policy vote backed by yelling is both painting it in a bad light with buzzwords (as I said in my original response to that post) and a misrep on the part of "lot of yelling", which makes it sound like I'm just hyping it up with passion or :wordswordswords: (the latter not being a bad tactic since people get lazy with so many words there) but the reality is it was very short and clear and consisted just of some simple logic that anyone who's played a good amount of mafia should already know in the first place, hence I only elaborated after Zak asked me to.
Also I gave the wall makers more than a glance and I see Murrin is actually pretty suspicious. I gave him/her a newbie pass because I've seen the "What does RVS even?" argument so many times before but I see that might have been a false flag.
You specifically voted CF7 because of his empty unvote. So yes, it's a policy vote.The vote expanded past that when CF7 stated he wasn't sure which lurker to vote; I added this as a strong reason (imo) before Zak called it a policy vote.
I feel that it's unlikely that scum!Zak + scum!CF7 would show their hand this early. Other than your own vote, Murren is voting for Zak, and Murren is acting very strangely. I'm wary of this wagon.
Come on man, we filled up 8 pages of RVS discussion and then found 2/3 scum on the first day in our last game. You were there! I can't believe you forgot it already.So, yeah, Murren knows that RVS can be useful and yet he clearly said that he won't do it.
It's hard to argue when there's not many people to argue with.a highly true statement which is why I didn't find the "but then cf7 didn't do much with the extended deadline" reason to be very convincing; everyone stopped talking
CF7 I honestly forgot that in that game, RVS caused our 2 strongest players to highly suspect 2 out of the 3 mafia players (then the 2 players who called them out both got killed by the end of night 1).
MainlyWell that's a fair judgment, it was an honest mistake, but there's no way to prove that.
I'm out for the rest of the phase. Good luck folks.
Sky seems town for the moment.
Dormio's content indicates town for the moment but he hasn't posted much recently.
DNA's reasoning seems weird.
Don't know about CF7.
Don't know about Shadoweh, Selery, Zak, Dan.
I've seen this work on mafia scum, but ordinarily in RVS, as a way to generate conversation.
Questions for everybody.
1 - What do you think is the best way to catch scum?
2 - When playing as scum, what do you think are your biggest scum-tells?
What was your objective in posting it, long after RVS was over?
Are you Hated or something? I only see 2 out of 5 votes.I thought it was 4 to lynch >__>; Good thing I'm not involved in a career that needs attention to detail (https://infinitestateautomaton.wordpress.com/).
What was your objective in posting it, long after RVS was over?
supplanting scumhunting while pretending to contribute.
There was a serious derth of activity on day 1. Even with a phase extension, conversation never got happening. I hoped to restart activity by posting some questions. It got the ball a little rolling, but only a few people were willing to play.
Do you believe I did this on day 1?That's what it looks like.
Also, really want cf7 to explain himself. At the point of using your extension ability, you were the prime candidate for a consolidate lynch, so the major motivation behind using it would be to save your skin, yet you failed to actually to capitalize on the additional time to give us your scumreads, claim, or anything really. This led me to believe that you are actually just trying to throw us off and hope that the apathy and lack of direction would cause town to direct the lynch elsewhere, which, congratulations, while you succeeded, you also managed to look terribly scummy,
There were already conversation topics, even arguments, in play.Ok, cool. Link them for me. Because by page 2 DNA was already making a case that I wasn't voting CF7 'for real' enough.
That's what it looks like.
THE REASON FOR ASKING QUESTIONS IS TO GET PEOPLE TO POST IN THREAD. NOTHING WAS HAPPENING. We were just going to afk-to-death. We had a no lynch.
I'd throw out a random vote but I feel like people would say "WHY DID YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT AN RVS GUY AND THEN THROW OUT A RANDOM VOTE" so I'll stay quiet for now.
I guess I'll hold my vote on Zak because he ignored my suspicion and didn't defend himself, and I don't really have a case on anyone (and apparently not voting is scummy).
That aside, Shadoweh's vote is likely because she learned (as I have) that CF7 is not actually vanilla town, so lied about his claim on day 1.Well. It's true and not at the time. It depends on how you want to look at it. I was vanilla town when the night started. At the same time i got mysterious one shot heal, which i used on Serela. And i am thinking it's that thing that O4rfish mentioned. Now i am vanilla again. Also i am tired as... um... something really tired. And i'll be back tomorrow.
Also, Zak, you didn't explain why you held your vote on Dormio earlier this phase after seeing Dormio's contributions.Contributions don't automatically mean not-scum unless you're playing with people that rely on cops 80% of their games. In which case Contributions means absolutely scum.
Shadoweh: you voted Dan during RVS, and then left your vote there. I can understand why you would have wanted to keep voting him, because AFK, but why did you never encourage other people to vote him? Conversely, why didn't you switch your vote when you posted this (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18546.msg1192447.html#msg1192447)?I didn't think CF7 was a bad wagon, so I didn't feel like dissuating it from happening. I was expecting Dan to, I don't know, yell at me, post something, but I never got a reaction out of him because he lurked out it seems. :/ I didn't switch at the time because I didn't want to put Cf7 at L-1 right when there was a sudden extension. If I'd realized I was going to be absent at deadline I would have switched. I think I've gotten too used to seven day deadlines and the DL being next Never.
cut by Shadoweh
I can 100% confirm CF7 is lying about his night action, because if he was telling the truth, Serela would be neon yellow instead of me.I stand by my claim.
Actually CF7 performed a redirect action.
More when I get back from the castle, but CF7 is scum.
SB, can we get a replacement for Murray?I'm reviewing the thread now. I was busy this week.
if I knew I was going to get doctored I really would have claimed d1 ;_____;What do you mean by "get doctored"? Does it have something to do with the yellow-colored Votals?
so, I'm not the greatest or most experienced Mafia player ever, but don't post stuff like this. You don't want people to think you're only trying to appear Townish. You want to have honest and transparent motives for doing whatever you're doing, or be able to fake them convincingly.Noted for the first post, but as for the second post (the Zak vote), I felt like I had to include that last comment, because I really didn't have a reason to vote for anybody. I didn't have a good case on anybody. Maybe I would have if I had had more time to analyze, but I was pretty busy this week so I didn't. So really the main reason I voted is that Shadoweh suggested that if I didn't vote, people would think I was scummy.
If someone jumps all over you for doing something you think is right, that can be discussed AFTER you do what you think is right.
Also: I have FoS on Murren and CF7.What does this mean? What does FoS mean?
Also, really want cf7 to explain himself. At the point of using your extension ability, you were the prime candidate for a consolidate lynch, so the major motivation behind using it would be to save your skin, yet you failed to actually to capitalize on the additional time to give us your scumreads, claim, or anything really. This led me to believe that you are actually just trying to throw us off and hope that the apathy and lack of direction would cause town to direct the lynch elsewhere, which, congratulations, while you succeeded, you also managed to look terribly scummy, I think this is the second prime wagon after sky pThis seems like a reasonable argument to me.
I can confirm that this slot turned CF7 into a one-shot doctor with no other powers LD1.What does "this slot" refer to? CF7's name being yellow?
Also, really want cf7 to explain himself. At the point of using your extension ability, you were the prime candidate for a consolidate lynch, so the major motivation behind using it would be to save your skin, yet you failed to actually to capitalize on the additional time to give us your scumreads, claim, or anything really. This led me to believe that you are actually just trying to throw us off and hope that the apathy and lack of direction would cause town to direct the lynch elsewhere, which, congratulations, while you succeeded, you also managed to look terribly scummyThis seems like a reasonable argument to me.
8. If your action fails or is redirected, you will be informed as such.CF7's doctor would have to have gone off on me, because he said it did, which means it couldn't have been blocked/redirected/etc. But it didn't, because I'm not yellow.
We can assume Shadoweh targeted CF7 with some kind of ability.It's best not to assume things like that.
and at the end we still need to rely on player interactions to make a rational decision
I believe that if we actually want to make use of these results, shadoweh has to claim
At the same time i got mysterious one shot heal, which i used on Serela. And i am thinking it's that thing that O4rfish mentioned.No mention that SB was roleblocked, or any indication that the ability failed.
I stand by my claim.No mention of roleblock. This would have been the perfect time to mention "Well actually, I tried to do xyz, but I was roleblocked - maybe that explains the crazy things you are saying, Sky?"
Skypal: ask SB if paint can get through roleblocks.<-- first mention of roleblock
Skypal paints Zak. Zak redirects Skypal to Shadoweh*. Shadoweh roleblocks CF7. CF7 does not reach Serela.
"Skypal: ask SB if paint can get through roleblocks. " <-- obvious question since trying to solve roleshens puzzle, and not dubious.It is dubious, since that's exactly what happened, and Oarfish knows too much.
9. A hammer is required to lynch. It takes over 50% of the total votes in order to hammer. Failure to achieve a lynch twice will result in universal loss.
Nothing really glaring from the rest yet, but I can try going deeper.Aside from CF7, but I assume everyone has already agreed on lighting a fire under CF7's ass by now
Zak and Oarfish making identical near-empty posts within half a minute of each other is somewhat creepyIt's much, much less creepy if you've been waiting for a lynch for over a week.
We can point to him acting scummy. CF7 has been acting scummy, so he gets lynched. No recriminations needed.
I do not have a good case on anyoneSaid here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18546.msg1193216.html#msg1193216) is terrible, because it just follows up by pointing at three people and making no effort to differentiate between them whatsoever. There's very little scumhunting to speak of, and most of it is cordial discussion of mechanics, as if he just isn't concerned with finding scum.
O4rfish's Day 2 Sky Paladin narrative is terrible.Yes, I realized that after Skypal himself pointed that out.
I'd vote CF7 but that's too easy.Apparently not, since we've skipped lynching twice in a row, with DNA's help.
DNA considered a CF7 lynch a foregone conclusion and consistently tried to lynch anybody else.
Just like what Bard is doingsooo... by these statements you mean... they tried to lynch someone else because they were more convinced someone else was scum which is normal and actually what happened????
Repeats how the roleshens are confusing, but with 5 possible scums instead of 3.maybe because he actually found the roleshens very confusing! since he was fairly clear about his thought process here and roleshens are roleshens (you have to actually logic it out, you can't just BS an opinion) I mean I don't get the "this is a scum action not a town action" thing
Says he wants a CF7 lynch, but asks me to unvote from CF7 in order to come up with other candidates.yes, because he was l-1 but it wasn't particularly close to deadline yet (let's not talk about what happened in the end >_>)
Attacks Skypal who is attacking CF7.Point. However, it's also not hard to see why town!DNA would make these parts. A lot of the stuff people post in mafia is to either accuse someone or to blast holes in their logic, so when you're trying to do the latter it's not unusual that you have to do it by attacking their case on someone else, which he did here. Additionally, consider that at the time DNA started to humor the idea of CF7 lynch, the only thing he had really called CF7 out for at that point was the questionable revote, while he had a whole case on SkyPal. Leaving his vote on SkyPal in this situation wouldn't be strange.
Defends CF7 pretty hard here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18546.msg1192167.html#msg1192167) and here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18546.msg1192172.html#msg1192172).
Then, supports the idea of CF7 wagon but leaves vote on Skypal. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18546.msg1192371.html#msg1192371)
Out of curiosity, Serela, what (out) of the 4 choices for roles did you pick before the game?
Because Town is now playing a 5-2 game* for STUPID REASONS, I will fight anyone who tries to diversify the wagons or weasel out of a lynch for the THIRD TIME.it just feels like he's trying to stifle the discussion by demanding we just tunnel on CF7.
That aside; there's still the case of somebody redirected me night 1. Nobody has stepped forward to claim it, so I presume it's a scum action. I had presumed it was CF7 because I was initially colored yellow and that seems to 100% implicate CF7. However, the mod contacted me and I got the feeling that he had accidentally colored me yellow because I had targeted Shadoweh (to paint her) and he had forgotten that I'm immune from being splashed by the person I paint.I'm about 95% sure that Zak was the redirector who targeted Shadoweh N2, what with his recent "you guys should know what role I am", the fact he claimed that he targeted Shadoweh, and the fact that Shadoweh didn't report her action being altered in any way. CF7 claiming he docced Serela when he hadn't even claimed being roleblocking and before knowing that paint only splashes on direct interaction would be really dumb imo. ...Even dumber than the current situation, that is. And that means he didn't necessarily target you, his role might just be something that redirects actions targeting himself onto another player, for example.
This is the reason why I was confused about how I got painted (You targeted me and I slid it off myself to Shadoweh meaning I thought I shouldn't have been hit but I got the backlash from targeting her).
If the paint affects everyone who targeted and/or was targeted by Shadoweh during the whole night, then Zak must have been the redirector. If the paint only affected people who came into contact after the paint was applied, then Zak could not have been the redirector.
I will guess that Zak used an ability to redirect everything targeting himself onto Shadoweh. Skypal's paint hit Shadoweh, and Zak was painted because he targeted Shadoweh. This would also cause Zak to question why he was painted, since he redirected the paint away from himself.
Also, my roleblock makes it sound like scum can kill and action at the same time.
Shadoweh, Town Limited Roleblocker, was killed Night 2.
@SkyPal: You're probably thinking too hard. Oarfish could have just guessed everything correctly. Guessing that Shadoweh was the roleblocker wasn't all that hard, guessing Zakeri was the redirector was a bit more of a stretch but still within reason.Yeah I pretty much figured the same myself; Zak's confusion made sense for a redirection role, although bus driving had been what first came to mind.
Miracles do happen.And there was much rejoicing. Yaaaaaaaay.
| 43 Dormio (3): Serela, Darkninjaabc, Bike-huni Zakeri CF7 (2): Dormio, Sky_Paladin ActionDan (1): Shadoweh Murrin (1): CF7 Not Voting (2): ActionDan, Murrin | 70: CF7 (3): Dormio, Sky_Paladin Serela Serela (2): CF7, Bike-huni Zakeri ActionDan (1): Shadoweh Sky_Paladin (1): Darkninjaabc Bike-huni Zakeri (1): Murrin Not Voting (1): ActionDan | 124 Day One End: Bike-huni Zakeri (3): Murrin, Serela, CF7 CF7 (2): Dormio, Sky_Paladin Serela (1): Bike-huni Zakeri ActionDan (1): Shadoweh Sky_Paladin (1): Darkninjaabc Not Voting (1): ActionDan |
| 230: CF7 (3): Shadoweh, Bike-huni Zakeri, Serela Sky_Paladin (1): Darkninjaabc | 246 End of Day 2: CF7 (4): Shadoweh, Bike-huni Zakeri, Serela, Oarfish Oarfish (2): Sky_Paladin, Darkninjaabc | |
| 281: CF7 (2): Bike-huni Zakeri, O4rfish Serela (1): Raitaki O4rfish (1): Bardiche Not Voting (3): 322 End of Day 3: Sky_Paladin, CF7, Serela | CF7 (4): Bike-huni Zakeri, O4rfish, Raitaki, Bardiche O4rfish (1): Bardiche Bike-huni Zakeri (1): CF7 Not Voting (2): Sky_Paladin, Serela |
"always on the biggest wagon" well I mean, we WERE trying to get cf7 lynched for like there days without it actually succeeding
and him just kind of giving up and waiting to die the entire time reaaaally gave 0 reason to consider him actually being town and lynching someone else
+ Zakeri barely posts enough for me to decide a read on beyond the usual "he didn't do much!" Though there's a bit in D1 where he plopped his vote onto Serela just to ask her to explain why CF7's reasoning was bad, but then later finding two other suspects one of whom he "heavily" suspected, but voting neither of them (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,18546.msg1193071.html#msg1193071). Makes me think his Serela vote was mainly made to get off the RVS Dormio vote, and that he might have even been hoping to stagnate the lynch for two days in a row.
Bard's analysis and efforts.You might want to ISO Bard. He's made 1 case and that's it.
I wouldn't have a problem voting Zak except that I don't have any idea who his partner would be. Given we're at LYLO, we should give some thought to scumteams rather than isolated scum, right?I don't think the game has enough content to actually link people together with any significant degree to matter without flips. Even for lylo. :T If I discount Zak as being scum I don't have any idea who else is even scummy, which is a much more pressing issue than not being sure who Zak's partner would be.
(Anyway I feel pretty great about Bard so far, if he was actually scum he'd deserve the win more than town would anyway) (not that I think he is or I'd vote him, etcetc whatever)
I could kinda see Bard being scum by virtue of "well he hasn't done anything that explicitly implies him to be town to me"Uh, non sequitor. Kind of feeds into S/M/R spec ...
Zak/Murrin/Raitaki: Zak didn't mention Murren d1; called him out ld1/ed2 but reversed himself ld2; has hardly mentioned Rai.
Murrin voted Zak pretty strongly on d1, which for a new player almost certainly means they're not a partnership, unless their partner likes to gamble like ActionDan.
Zak/DNA/Bard: Zak called DNA town on d2, but DNA didn't return the favor - countering one of his points on d1, calling him untrustworthy on d2.
On d3 Zak didn't buy into my case on Bard, but Bard called out Zak for being forgettable.
No crossvotes. Could be a team I guess, but I'm not feeling it.
It might be the last day, might as well fullclaim. I'm a 1-shot census taker, and my action allows me to choose one of the role types offered at the beginning of the game to learn how many players got a role from that category. Misc seemed too vague to be useful, Investigative was risky for scum to fakeclaim without an actual investigative ability, it didn't look like there would be any more than 1 Protective role, so I picked Controlling for N2. I was told that 3 people picked it. I'm assuming those people are Shadoweh, Zak and CF7. I asked Serela about her role type in D3 because Vig seemed like they can "control" people by murdering their face off, and I wasn't sure.
Hey Bard, mind describing what Serela said in your neighborhood that makes him so Towny?
My role is Town Day 1 Inventor/Vanillaizer,
Serela was dead.nobody was saying he wasn't
Maybe you shouldn't comment if you didn't actually read the game? Don't shitpost.(http://i.imgur.com/kewAp2R.jpg)
(Anyway I feel pretty great about Bard so far, if he was actually scum he'd deserve the win more than town would anyway)
for me, out of o4rfish, bard, and zak, only one is town, and I really don't think it's zak!
I want to see the see the neighbor qt pls, as an observer it felt obvious to me that this was Dormio masonizing Serela in Mirai Nikki all over again, especially combined with Bard's professed dislike of keeping things hidden in neighbor QTs in that game.(Anyway I feel pretty great about Bard so far, if he was actually scum he'd deserve the win more than town would anyway) (not that I think he is or I'd vote him, etcetc whatever)
especially combined with Bard's professed dislike of keeping things hidden in neighbor QTs in that game.
bard's fake reaction game in the QT was on point, although slightly over the top to the point where it was noticeable that it was kinda weird, but I never really thought about that very hard because I'm Serela
Whytaki is my new nickname. Between the confirmed scum and Serela, you choose a third, Bard voted after you, and you didn't think maybe you almost set up a quicklynch? :VI thought that it was possible that scum was waiting until they were both online to vote Zak together, so I didn't think of Zak as confirmed scum ; v; I guess I was too fixated on the assumption that scum would quicklynch together instead of taking their time and voting one by one, huh.
That wasn't fake.I dunno I think ones where you're like "Oh they lynched a townie game is over rip" when we lynched Zak and then later going "OH HE WAS SCUM??" kind of had to be fake considering YOU WERE HIS SCUMBUDDY :V
How to win as Scum:
1 get Town to no-lynch
2 kill anyone who thinks Oarfish isn't scum
3 tunnel Oarfish
Mafia sucks
I think if CF7 had been lynched on D2 or even D1 the game would have gone a lot more smoothly for town, even if CF7 turned out to be town.I second this.
2 No Lynches, smh lads.
Perhaps try to actually read bards' posts which were the reason you were lynched? We think he's town exactly because he has legit reasoning, he draws upon 'real things' you have done, ane draw a reasonable conclusion based on that.Ehh let's not get too ahead of ourselves here. Bard played well but fmpov a lot of his accusations about Oarfish's motivations didn't hold up upon closer scrutiny (especially the part about Oarfish's D2 "Skypal narrative" which was in fact a DNA invention, and the fact that he backed away from it fairly quickly making it obvious Bard was cherrypicking when he claimed it was a big part of Oarfish's D2 posting!) As scum it's natural that he would try to twist the narrative and precisely because he's mafia you can't claim his pushes on Oarfish were "legit." Plus Bard has claimed before that as mafia that he tends to punish bad play, which isn't necessarily scummy play (opinions may differ here)!
So tell me, what should I have done differently? How could I have defeated you?
if CF7 had been lynched Day one, I don't think scum would have won.