1. Each player sends in two numbers to the moderator, between 1 and 10 in the format (x,x).
2. Which ever player sends in the lowest unique first number (i.e. no other player sent in the same first number) gets the first pick.
3. Whoever picked the second-lowest unique number goes second, up until there are no more unique first numbers.
4. After there are no more unique first numbers, the next pick goes to the person with the lowest first number that matched only one other first number, but has a lower number than that other person. After he picks, that other person picks.
5. After the first tied pair picks, the second-lowest tied pair picks, and who picks first is based again on whoever has the lowest second number.
6. After all of the two-way ties are resolved, the three-way-ties are again resolved in a similar fashion, based again on who picked the lowest second number, then the second-lowest second number, etc.
7. If anyone picks *both* the same numbers as anyone else, they are bumped entirely to the end of the list.
If multiple pairs are bumped to the end of the list, the pair with the lower first numbers picked goes before the pair with the higher first numbers picked.
8. Of each pair bumped to the end of the list, they must each roll again separately and the draft operates recursively.
USER, you have selected the Tracker.
During the night, you may ##Track a player to learn who they visited, but not what they did.
USER, you have selected the Roleclop.
During the night, you may ##Investigate a player to learn their role, but not their alignment.
USER, you have selected the Doctor.
During the night, you may ##Protect a player to prevent all attempts on their life that night. You may not self-target.
USER, you have selected the Roleblocker.
During the night, you may ##Roleblock a player to prevent them from carrying out any night actions that night.
USER, you have selected the Neighbourizer.
During the night, you may ##Neighbourize a player to open a private quicktopic with them outside of the thread. All neighbours will be added to the same quicktopic, which will close when you die.
USER, you have selected the Jack of all Trades.
During the night, you may ##Strongman Kill another player in place of your factional kill, ensuring that the target dies despite any attempts made to protect them or interfere with your action. Alternatively, you may ##Ninja Kill in place of your factional kill, allowing you to kill a player without being seen by any Trackers targetting you. You may only use these abilities once in the game.
Bard/Raikaria: You both picked the exact same thing in RPS. So uh... send in five more rounds and please don't pick exactly the same thing this time thanks.That's just too funny.
Bard/Raikaria: You both picked the exact same thing in RPS. So uh... send in five more rounds and please don't pick exactly the same thing this time thanks.
Seriously?
To wit... I picked Rock-Rock-Rock.
Raikaria and bard are not scum togetheris it because if the rock paper scissors?
Raikaria and bard are not scum together
out me down
RPS Shenanigans delayed RVS Shenanigans so he gets my RVS. Also 3rd on the wagon ZOMG.
I don't think he'd fake that logic as scum, it's the kind of thing that I don't see many people coming up with. I think there's something I'm not getting in his logic though, but the post is townie as fuck anyways so
Raikaria's hasty vote: I want to hear more about this.Raikaria voted Bard actually. Not idea how you confused the two.
If this was the reason for your vote, you should have voted Bard, since Dan was not involved in RPS shenanigans.
Why the Dan vote?
another step closer to CF7 + Dormio scumteam, now I just have to believeLet me tell you a secret. We are!
I think posting the drafting order was a mistake, period. We know that players near the top of the list could probably pick any role that they wanted.
MOST LIKELY TO BE ROLED TOWN
1.) CF7
2.) Mitsuki
3.) Zakeri
4.) Dan
5.) Dormio
6.) Sky Paladin
7.) Rawr
8/9.) Raikaria/Bard
LEAST LIKELY TO BE ROLED TOWN
Can we assume town only picked town roles? Can we assume scum only picked scum roles?
We can probably assume that SB would have played off a tie even if both Raikaria/Bard were town/scum, since to do otherwise would have players asking "Why aren't Raikaria/Bard rerolling?" when their number pick was revealed. So I think it's inconclusive.
Raikaria's hasty vote: I want to hear more about this.
If this was the reason for your vote, you should have voted Bard, since Dan was not involved in RPS shenanigans.
Why the Dan vote?
#Vote Bard
RPS Shenanigans delayed RVS Shenanigans so he gets my RVS. Also 3rd on the wagon ZOMG.
Good observation.
And yeah SB has made a slight booboo in the handling of the tie. But I'm not gonna complain about a mistake that is pro-town.
scum players were supposed to be able to comunicate while choosing their role.There's no mention or even implication of this in the rules. How did you come to this conclusion?
I don't think he'd fake that logic as scum, it's the kind of thing that I don't see many people coming up with."I agree with his logic."
I think there's something I'm not getting in his logic though"But I don't understand it". So why agree with it?
And also nice list with nothing backing it up. What makes you so unlikely to have rolled town? What makes you know who rolled town? What makes me and Bard least likely to be town?
Voting me for completely false reasons and making a fancy list with no evident logic. Why would he put himself as 6th least likely to be town, for one?
What Mitsuki commented on:
Alignments were assigned before drafting -> I said this.
"I agree with his logic."
There's no mention or even implication of this in the rules. How did you come to this conclusion?
The mafia may converse pregame while making their choices.
CF7 why are you leaving your vote on Dormio if it's a RVS vote and you suspect Raikaria?He's sitting at L-2. Apparently not really bothered by it. Maybe that actually will motivate him enough to post here.
Let me tell you a secret. We are!
There's no mention or even implication of this in the rules. How did you come to this conclusion?
Raikaria
Do you understand the purpose of 'draft mafia' is that certain players get to pick first. That means the players who picked first, and were announced to be first, are likely to have town power roles.
Basically wiriting off Mitsuki and CF7 as most likely to be Town is stupid because the 2 highest priority roles are pro-scum.
I'm just going to put it out there that I'm pretty sure that factional kill is an innate scum ability.
Warning - while you were reading a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Go away Dan.
I was under the impression that 'Factional Kill' is Vig.
The roles in this game are:
Tracker
Rolecop
Doctor
Roleblocker
Neighbourizer
Jack of all Trades (Strongman/Ninja)
What makes me doing nothing worse than Zak, who you explicitely mentioned, or others doing nothing?I think i stated the reason. 2 votes away from the lynch and your lack of reaction to it.
Also, I really don't like how you're all like "Well Raikaria looks scummy to me but I don't want to vote him and will instead prod someone less than 12 hours into the game". (Less than 12 hours passed between CF7's first post with opinions and the game starting)
CF7 and Mitsuki, are very suspicious because the two higher priority roles are very pro-scum.
Why would he put himself as 6th least likely to be town, for one?He's not sixth likeliest to be not-town, he's sixth-likeliest to not have a role.
I was under the impression that 'Factional Kill' is Vig.No, I'm absolutely certain the "Factional Kill" is in fact the "Factional Kill".
Alignments were decided before we even picked out numbers,
The roles in this game are:
[Role PM<quotes]
The priority list is as follows (with the Strongman first):
-Strongman
-Roleblocker
-Doctor
-Factional Kill
-Neighbourizer
-Roleclop
-Tracker
Raikaria, did you have to repost Sky's entire post just to respond to the last line of his post?
He's not sixth likeliest to be not-town, he's sixth-likeliest to not have a role.
You're right to call bullshit on the validity of his list but you're not actually doing that, you're just using the bullshit of his list against him here.
I think posting the drafting order was a mistake, period. We know that players near the top of the list could probably pick any role that they wanted.
OH. I thought it was 'liklihood to have rolled town' and it was just a typo.
Basically wiriting off Mitsuki and CF7 as most likely to be Town is stupid because the 2 highest priority roles are pro-scum.
I do tbh and I don't like the post.
I do find your post about townie though.
The value of the list is to suggest who the doctor, if there is one, should cover this night phase.
So I can consider a Cf7/Dormio scum team since their were both voting there for a moment.Excuse me? I'm still voting there, thank you very much.
I summarily dislike his Mitsuki vote post. I dislike it because he builds a strawman ("this is what Mitsuki could have done, BUT THEN DIDN'T!"), misrepresents Mitsuki's post, and quips about disliking Mitsuki's Town clear. That last one admittedly isn't very strong, but it feels like such a bogus reason to throw on at the end that it offends my sensibilities. I dislike his earlier post quipping about likelihood of having a role, because role discussion really isn't relevant right now and it feels forced to introduce it as a topic. Looks like contributing, is really just throwing up smoke and mirrors to me.
I think town reads are basically useless since they don't really advance game state.
I agreed initially with Mitsuki's assessment of Sky, but when I thought about it overnight, I asked myself "Wait, didn't Sky acknowledge that alignments were given before when he mentioned the list of "Most likely roled town to least likely roled?" Then I checked over the post today, and I have no idea what implies that Sky couldn't possibly know that Scum were communicating with each other.
I dislike pretty much everyhing Raikaia had posted this game. I keep having to find excuses not to vote them. We haven't played for a long time so sure we are a bit rusty but holy wow Raikaria what are you doing.
Bard provided a potentially viable explanation but he did not explain why Mitsuki appears town.
To people who are saying that my CF7 "case" is shit: Well, maybe it's because it is? I didn't have any scumreads,
Raikaria, why are CF7 and Mitsuki suspicious, and is suspicious the same as scummy?
apparently the reason I thought CF7 and Mituski were suspicious was based on my misunderstanding of Sky's chart.
Mitsuki's tacit defending of Sky Paladin is almost textbook chainsaw defending.
Focusing on merely one point (Sky Paladin's misrep)No, I didn't focus on one point, I gave several explanations on how the whole bit on Palain was scummy. I thought that SkyPal's misrep was a good example of how your case didn't hold water but I can focus on why the other points you brought up aren't good if you want.
and claiming I'm "exaggerating about what [Sky Pal]'s done" conveniently ignores whether or not Sky Paladin's actions are town-minded, while subtly suggesting that they are ("common from SkyPal")
If I have to spoonfeed why Paladin's actions are scummy: his strawman is scummy because he pretends you're scum for failing to do any of the four things he mentioned. His misrepresentation as "empty content post" is dishonest and scum minded, because his summary leaves out the content of the post and pretends it doesn't exist. Focusing on discussing roles over discussing who's scum has the potential to draw in others; any discussion that isn't focused on finding scum is discussion that benefits scum by sheer virtue of distracting Town from its wincondition.
Therefore, Sky Paladin is Scum, because he employs three tactics which all serve to distract Town and further a Scum agenda.
Defending Sky Paladin on the basis that "he's always like this" purports that Sky Paladin is completely logical, sound and brilliant whenever he's scum. Last I checked, rolling scum doesn't turn you into Buddha.
Since I just realised there's no reason for Raikaria or Bard NOT to pick (1,1)
In this post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17947.msg1162239.html#msg1162239) Sky unequivocally explains whoever got to pick first is extremely likely to have a (town) power role. You respond that scum are capable of picking town roles to deny them from town. Nothing in your post suggests that you have some misunderstanding over what Sky Paladin was talking about.
Defending Sky Paladin on the basis that "he's always like this" purports that Sky Paladin is completely logical, sound and brilliant whenever he's scum.
It looks like half the game was confused on what that list Sky posted was for.
UPDATE: After further analysis, Tarhalindur has determined that the Chainsaw Defense is only trustworthy once the player defended has been revealed to be group scum (once the player defended is proved to be Mafia, any player that used Chainsaw Defense on the dead scum should be scrutinized). Otherwise, it is a null tell. Mutual Chainsaw Defense may, however, still be an outright scumtell; more research is required here.
Disagreeing with me is scummy because I'm right. Also because you have no idea whether or not Sky Paladin is Scum or Town with absolute certainty, so you cannot say whether or not I am right. Unless you're Scum, then you can be absolutely certain of it.
I DEMAND an explanation, even more so as you saw fit to vote Mitsuki almost immediately afterward.
He later states: (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17947.msg1162497.html#msg1162497)
"I don't need to explain why a Scumread appears Town." in response to my request for clarification.
Which suggests that he saw you as town at that time which is interesting because that is the exact post where he votes for you.
Regarding alternative interpretations of Mitsuki's post that isn't "empty content": the post contains an evaluation of your alignment, the information that "scum players were supposed to communicate before picking" and the information that alignments were chosen before roles were picked. In particular, your summary of the post is only the last, third point. It's dishonest to strip away 2/3rds of a post and then claim it "empty content".
i dont understand why mitsuki thinks bardiche is scum.
i dont think bardiche is in the wrong with his case on sky paladin.
I also don't like how Sky Palladium is trying to defend her.I don't really see how I'm defending Mitsuki. I made a case on Bard who was voting her at the time.
Therefore, Sky Paladin is Scum, because he employs three tactics which all serve to distract Town and further a Scum agenda.
##Unvote
##Vote: Mitsuki
It's unlikely you thought "factional kill" was a selectable role as an exhaustive list of roles was posted, pre-ambled with "these are the selectable roles". I don't find it believable that Raikaria did not look at the roles list or examined the roles in detail prior to making a pick. I think it's only believable if either Raikaria is extremely inattentive and drafted without looking at the roles list in detail, or his scum buddies already suggested a pick for him so he did not need to pay attention.
Chainsaw defending doesn't require the other party to flip.
Disagreeing with me is scummy because I'm right. Also because you have no idea whether or not Sky Paladin is Scum or Town with absolute certainty, so you cannot say whether or not I am right. Unless you're Scum, then you can be absolutely certain of it. The entire quote isn't about disagreeing with me, it's that you've made no attempt to explain why I'd be wrong. I disagree Sky behaves "as normal" and think he behaves in a decidedly pro-Scum way.
such a bogus reason to throw on at the end that it offends my sensibilities.
how is this (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17947.msg1162251.html#msg1162251) a scumtell and not a Raikariatell. How does this differentiate from his town logic? He posts bad logic as either alignment.
Raikaria's whole line of logic is bullshit. It's lazy and something that I could see scum getting behind because it lets them build suspicion on someone for no good reason at all.The reasoning is in, like, the very same post that you linked.
i dont understand why mitsuki thinks bardiche is scum (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17947.msg1162568.html#msg1162568). ive read that post and actually looked at the links but i cant really tell whats going on. which in my book is just scum posting some kind of useless babble people will not really read and agree with it.
I probably won't be on the computer by the time the day ends. I might switch to Mitsuki before I go to sleep. Who knows?
For two rolls, there is a 1/6 probability of rolling a six on the first roll.
If this occurs, we've satisfied our condition. There is a 5/6 probability
that the first roll is not a 6. In that case, we need to see if the second
roll is a 6. The probability of the second roll being a 6 is 1/6, so our
overall probability is 1/6 + (5/6)*(1/6) = 11/36. Why did I multiply the
second 1/6 by 5/6? Because I only need to consider the 5/6 of the time that
the first roll wasn't a 6. As you can see the probability is slightly less
than 2/6.
Raikaria: It's entirely possible to both think Sky Paladin is likely to be Scum and that Mitsuki is likely to be Scum. I'm voting Mitsuki because I have stronger feelings about Mitsuki than Sky Paladin. Mitsuki complains that where I see Scumreads, I should be seeing Nullreads because "Sky Paladin is always like this". This is a bogus case to me. If you consider that Mitsuki himself said that he has no scumreads (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=19023), or very few, it becomes weird and suspect when they focus their content on defending players instead of finding scum. Basically, I feel like Mitsuki's content is devoid of any Scumreads save for one single Scumread, which is on me over a disagreement for whether or not Sky Paladin's actions are scummy.
While Sky Paladin is behaving in an Anti-Town and even Pro-Scum way, Mitsuki fits the profile of Scum who have difficulty of fabricating cases and flounder about helplessly for a while, then finally settle on something.
I am willing to dismiss the 1/36 chance that Mitsuki picked the same thing that CF7 did as insufficient to warrant consideration.
If you consider that Mitsuki himself said that he has no scumreads (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=19023), or very few, it becomes weird and suspect when they focus their content on defending players instead of finding scum. Basically, I feel like Mitsuki's content is devoid of any Scumreads save for one single Scumread, which is on me over a disagreement for whether or not Sky Paladin's actions are scummy.
The reason I bring it up is because Mitsuki's case hinges on me being wrong about whether or not Sky Paladin's actions are scum-minded. The only way for Mitsuki to know that they are not scum-minded for a fact and thus, that I am wrong is when Mitsuki knows Sky Paladin's alignment already. The only way Mitsuki can know and satisfy both conditions is when he's Scum and Sky Paladin is not.
Outside of that, it's an interpretation issue, and I feel that making a case based on disagreeing with an interpretation on the basis that "by default, Sky Paladin's anti-Town actions are null" is not in-line with a Town line of thought. If the best and only case you can bring up is that someone thinks anti-Town actions are scummy, I take serious issue with your alignment.
You mentioned that you felt a "Town Bard should know better" about Sky Pal. Let's assume that I do not "know better". What changes, if anything?
If Mitsuki claims to have picked Doc, and flips Vanilla, we now know what role CF7 has. This information is useful to Scum. Do not provide them information.
I'm not sure I follow Bardiche's logic on claiming/not claiming so I'll just ask: Bardiche, will it change anything for you if I claim? Will it serve some purpose? Obviously I won't just claim but also explain my logic on my pick. I'm not vanilla, anyways (wow, what a surprise).
@Bardiche: I don't think that my cases on you and on Dormio are very similar, they're actually completely different. Disregard what I said about his Raikaria vote, that is a different matter, and see how I comment on his vote on me in this post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17947.msg1162774.html#msg1162774).
I don't think there's enough support for a Raikaria lynch, and in any case he could always go ahead and vote me for not-me-over-me since I'm still sitting at L-1.
What do you think of Dormio?
Eh, I get Dormio has recently voted but he hasn't really given the reasoning behind his vote. How is that better than other people? Who would you rather lynch than Dormio?
i dont think bardiche is in the wrong with his case on sky paladin. i mean if skypaladin posts nonsense as both town and scum isnt it up to town to determine if its scum skypaladin or town skypaladin? we are talking about his content and we cant just hand wave it away.
I kind of want to focus on the people who've been using the Mitsuki/SkyPal/Bard fiasco to hide in the shadows.
Therefore, Sky Paladin is Scum, because he employs three tactics which all serve to distract Town and further a Scum agenda.##Vote: Bardiche
##Unvote
##Vote: Mitsuki
I agree that it is defensive. Is defensiveness a scum-only quality? Not rhetorical, I am genuinely curious.In itself, no. Everyone has or should have some stake in living through to the end of the game, if for no other reason than because your death contributes to your potential loss, regardless of the side you're on. That why I focused on the tone of the line and how aggressive it was. it implied higher stakes for Mitsuki, which scum subconsciously have both in persecution complex (Being the villains of the game), but also mathematical sense (Two scum lynches as oppose to three town lynches to game end). Of course the difference in numbers is negligible considering probabilities.
I was dismissive of the case on bard yesterday, but actually reading it made me feel better about Mitsuki.
Rawr's online status says he was around six hours ago, so he's seen what we have to say.:smug:
I think Rawr is more likely to be scum than CF7. I've been checking Rawr's town meta and he is way more active than this, has clear opinions and actively contributes to the game. Compare it to his play here, which has been extremely lazy and uninvolved. Again, I think this is scummy regardless of meta.if you look further back you will see me doing this every game
This is cheerleading my case on Sky Paladin without taking a stance one way or the other. "Bardiche isn't wrong" doesn't equal "Bardiche is right", and DrRawr deigns not to make a judgement one way or the other.huh i thought of it as more of a why are people voting bardiche over his case on skypaladin. i didnt actually think that i was cheerleading sky paladin when i made that post.
i dont think ive ever seen someone call them out based on when they were lest online which makes me feel like hes just trying to rush through this lynch.
@Zakeri, I'd like to see you reply to my post.Sorry, I didn't mean to ignore your case on me, but the reason I didn't respond is because I don't think there's anything I can add besides distraction or white noise.
I don't think Shadoweh has said enough of anything to get any sort of read on her, Gut or not. Least, not at the time Mitsuki says she gets one on her.
How is this enough to grant a vote on SkyPal. Also his vote was the second vote on you, how is that rushing a lynch?It's enough for me to vote sky paladin and explains the action Dan kill. Pretty obvious he's rushing it or elese he wouldn't have talked about the least time I was on the forum and how I haven't posted. Also 4 to lynch so assuming bard isn't Scum it takes someone else then ez Scum hammer because i haven't posted
What do you think of Zakeri and Shadoweh?
i still dont have much time to post atm but ill throw a vote down or something
i think scum are just creating uninformative lynches and night kills after actiondan got night killed. i cant see any particular reason as to why he was killed over shadoweh mituski and zakeri unless scum are part of that group or something like that. also i dont think ive ever seen someone call them out based on when they were lest online which makes me feel like hes just trying to rush through this lynch.
I don't see how a few posts with opinions wouldn't be enough to begin to figure out what she's thinking.
Zakeri selectively tries to dissuade a townread on someone he has no read on.
and he doesn't give a real explanation on why my townread would be wrong.
What? What opinions?
All of her opinions as of those two posts were stuff she could have said during pre-game and commenting on Dan being the weird choice for nightkill.
No one should have any opinion on her.
And why are you suggesting I'm picky with "Proper" reads? There's also not a lot of dissuading I need to do at the moment, since the only votes on not-my-suspects are yours on me for being passive, and Rawr's on sky for inadequetly-explained-reason-that-will-probably-get-him-lynched-anyway. Not to mention, I was dissuading a townread on somebody who was still one of the people I didn't think was town.
I don't like how Zakeri selectively tries to dissuade a townread on someone he has no read on.
I'd rather play with Serela than any of you, this is retarded.
@Bard
Quit complaining and do something about it. Ask pressing questions on players you think are hiding. Vote the one you hate the most. Invite others to do the same.
Dammit I was this close to gambiting Rawr instead of posting what I did before. But I decided NO WE SHOULD DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY AND NO LIES THIS GAME pffffffff.
gj sky paladin
im pretty sure with you being neighbor nothing is safe to claim
...Why do I suddenly get the feeling the Shadoweh and Bardiche are having private times right now?
Oh. That looks pretty open and shut.
Good job Bard. Sorry I gave you a tough time on day 1. I just thought you, Mitsuki, and Raikaria were all scum. Nothing personal.
I'm kind of holding you responsible for the sudden wagon and death of Dormio so I'm a little mistrustful of your decision to pick up Zak.
I don't think that's what happened, to me it looked like "How can anybody give a town read on Shadoweh when she's posted so little content" and calling in to question you handing out town reads.
Other than Zak, who do you think is scum? I think you've townread myself, Bard, Raikaria, and Shadoweh now. So that kind of leaves Rawr and Zak as your scum picks. Am I mistaken?
Mitsuki voted Dormio as a late day 1 OMGUS. It seems her vote on Zak is a day 2 OMGUS. If she is only playing by gut, and her gut was shown to not be an absolute arbitrator of justice, then I am not inclined to trust that gut.
I'm voting the one I hate the most and you guys should do the same. When part of the players have deigned not to even bother with opinions (Shadoweh+Raikaria), and the other part deigns to live in vacuum and go all "lalala~" and pretend there isn't a Day 2 (Zakeri, DrRawr), it becomes difficult to decide one way or the other.Sorry, I thought today just looked really obviously between Zak and Rawr and Rawr was posting 10x worse then Zak, also lulz. Also apparently I can wait until there's a flip to actually do some rereading. (I'm sorry that apparently saying 'yes i want in i have some free time' is the symbol to make seventeen people swamp me overnight)
Hey, DrRawr, claim with what action you targeted ActionDan last night, kthx.
I basically echo the points made about Rawr; but I'm not going to vote him now because he's got a fair few votes and I will literally be unable to move my vote for 24 hours after this point because IRL stuff I have had arranged before I even signed up to this game.
I was just reading through the thread and saw Shadoweh replace in and then got bad memories of how I was left behind so often. Oh my dear Shadoweh~ :ohdear:Zakky-chaaaaan <^_^> Don't worry, I had a good night's slahahahaha okaay I stayed up all night reading mafia. I thought Raikaria was suspicious when I replaced in and the feeling hasn't diminished now, instead of going for an easy way out on Raikaria or Zakeri, Rawr was insistant on pushing a weird case on Sky Paladin. I can't say I'm very good at telling when Zak is lying to me but I do not think Zak would give up this easily since it didn't happen when we were buddies torn sadly apart in.. was it Dwarf Fortress? The one where we poisoned Conq and I woke up dead. That one.
I feel like this is too much of a justification not to vote Rawr. Sure, Rawr was at L-2 and I get that some people don't like to leave players at L-1, but this comes across as self-conscious.Come on you even quoted the post...
I come back and apparently things are solved.
I don't have much to add on the matter; because I am fairly confident that Bard's Tracker claim is legitimate; after all; Tracker is the role I wanted but did not get [I am a Vanilla]; and we were tied. So I have every reason to believe a tracker claim.
Not gonna vote yet because I *think* Rawr is L-1?
So don't try to justify a lynch on me with me not wanting to put Rawr at L-1; because I already thought he WAS L-1.
I don't have much to add on the matter; because I am fairly confident that Bard's Tracker claim is legitimate; after all; Tracker is the role I wanted but did not get [I am a Vanilla]; and we were tied. So I have every reason to believe a tracker claim.
You raising this is actually interesting: you won the RPS and therefore picked before I did. If you tried to pick Tracker, and did not get it, what made you think -I- would be able to get Tracker?
Zakeri's case on me seems to basically be 'He was v/la so didn't vote'It's actually more that you were active lurking than simply not voting, but either way you were making some time to read the game and not offering anything useful with that time.
"I would have given up but it would not end the game." - But we know there's no ITP since the OP said 2 scums 7 towns.the joke here is that I'm insisting I'm not the last scum.
You raising this is actually interesting: you won the RPS and therefore picked before I did. If you tried to pick Tracker, and did not get it, what made you think -I- would be able to get Tracker?
That logic doesn't check out at all.
Sky Pal, please claim. Since you claimed Zak couldn't lie, I'm interested now.
Raikaria, I was told I lost. Five times. In a row.
EDIT: Raikaria beat Bard in RPS and as a result was eighth to draft.:V
:V
Raikaria, what was your logic behind selecting tracker?
Didn't think other people would pick it; being low priority.The only real investigative role in this setup is the Tracker, it's actually the most important town role imo. You can't be serious.
But I figure Bard wouldn't have ACTUALLY invited Zak since he thought Zak was scum. And that would mean scum!Zak would not have know. If he could make a hit last night, and idled it again.See? You already knew I was the doctor and made a beautiful post teeming with insider knowledge. So, you picked rolecop over roleblocker, really? Awful choice for a scumteam. (Although the idea that you picked Doc not expecting CF7 to really want to play doctor with people and ended up with two vanillas is lulzworthy.)
Which means we have a scum doc.
Which means we have a scum doc.
See? You already knew I was the doctor and made a beautiful post teeming with insider knowledge.
Bed/fridge logicDon't be silly, again. Everyone except you, me and Mitsuki claimed. Mitsuki can't be the doc because the doc can't self-protect. Zakeri wouldn't have known who the last role is but you would have.
For me to be scum Roleclop and know Shadoweh is doc, that means I idled a night hit to Roleclop Shadoweh and learn she is doc.
Mitsuki just to humor me though: why did you track Rawr? It seems like a fairly oblique shot.
SkyPal, what did you want to do by crumbing Roleclop? What did you aim for?
I think a mass claim would be helpful since Zak has to claim Roleclop and that would explain why he outed Just as a neighbour. And if he lies about his role, I will know.
Also I want SkyPal to post his doc crumbs.Note that since I didn't actually get doc, my crumbs take the nature of somebody who knows there is a doc in the game from the get-go rather than "I protected player x" because I couldn't submit an action.
The value of the list is to suggest who the doctor, if there is one, should cover this night phase.
Zakeri wouldn't have known who the last role is but you would have.
I'm going to be busy as hell this weekend, so if we don't get enough time to discuss we can always NL since it's MyLo. (@mod: is it mylo? since it's not been announced. Also you were supposed to bring up I have limited access orz)
@Mod - Can scum no-hit this game? Can scum no-hit more than once?
So, for Shadoweh: Did Mitsuki volunteer to check Rawr, as she suggests in her response, earlier? Or was she convinced to do it by Bard?For Zakeri's sake I'll answer this: Mitsuki tracked Rawr before she was in a QT with Bardiche. In fact there's no way Bard could have asked her to track first so I have no idea why you would float this as a possibility. Also Mitsuki's first post in the QT is basically 'lol i have a guilty on rawr'. I said it there last night when Bard asked if it were possible Mitsuki faked it. I'm p sure that a scum Mitsuki would not have started the day by telling a townie that her partner was scum.
My feeling is that she didn't get convinced to do it and legitimately thought Rawr was scum and tracked him for it. This is consistent with her day 2 behavior.
I'm in the situation where as a town player, I've observed Mitsuki start a case while she wasn't under any pressure, and I feel like the scum thing for her to do would have been to sit back and let town do something random, or to join in on another wagon (Raikaria and mine were the main ones iirc). That's why we have that third on wagon scumtell, right?
Given his day 1 performance, I will not assume he is busy, and in fact assume that he is avoiding the game because he is lurking scum hoping we will mislynch another towny.
Are you sure you aren't just voting him because he's making what you see as a bad case on you, because that's how your response comes off to me. >_>
I guess it doesn't matter much. Reading over it your case is pretty good, I don't think you've ever had a high opinion of Dan so I can't see how his nightkill would implicate you either. (Rawr is more likely to get killed for the weirdness :] )
I mean, the alternative is that Mitsuki and Bardiche are having a scum pajama party and just high-fiving each other in the scuum QT endlessly because i really can't see scum feeling like they have to do much when this is a five-page game. Its pretty worrying that everyone I would consider high priority lived (Cf7 is not exacctly at the top of the kill list either sorry bro). But Bard just feels interested in solving things and i like the way zakky-chan sounds. Also since no one seems interested in claiming im just going to drop it, it's not that important right now anyways. (probably doesn't matter since we didn't figure it out ahead of time.)
I'm kind of confused I had a chance to replace in in the first place, having looked at the ruleset. >_>
"Oh right, lack of nightkill. I presume that means we either had a doc block or a town block on a scum hit or scum idled."
There was one option missing from that lack of nightkill; and that was that a town roleblocker had blocked a mafia hit. I didn't raise that option because I knew there was a doc in the game, and since I had (mistakenly) POE'd Zak as scum Roleclop, there could be no roleblock and a doc was the only role option. I knew there was a doc because I'd tried to pick it and didn't get it.
SkyPal finding it hard to believe that I tracked Rawr out of my own will makes me sad.
By "town block on scum" didn't you mean that a town roleblocker could have blocked a mafia hit?
trying to engineer this into a confirmed tracker who tracked scum vs a confirmed doc who blocked a nightkill
That post of mine that Sky pointed out is me thinking his case on Rawr was reactionary.How could it be reactionary if I was voting Rawr first? You know it's not, because:
Things like Dan dying
I don't think you've ever had a high opinion of Dan so I can't see how his nightkill would implicate you either.
Also also, forgive me if I don't have a priority on proving to you that I'm town, I really don't see you changing your mind about what a good lynch you are.
Also in case I died you can assume the doc to be scum lolIs at least considering that you might not be what you say you are.
Re: Mod questions, why would you eliminate the only chance for a no-lynch to be productive, that's why I didn't say why I thought it would be unproductive.
By your story, I idled the hit so I could do a role check on either your or Mitsuki.
1 - You're not confirmed. Roles are not alignment indicative. We had Dormio flip JOAT.Stop putting words in my mouth. I have never claimed you did a role cop instead of performing the nightkill. I've made it clear thrice that since the doctor can't self-protect, Failing to kill Mitsuki means you knew Mitsuki wasn't the doctor. Also, you cheeky little schmuck:
2 - What's this about a 'confirmed block'? We don't know anything about that. By your story, I idled the hit so I could do a role check on either your or Mitsuki. It doesn't add up.
SETUP INFO:Oh, oops! Guess you were never actually restricted after all were you?
There are 7 townies and 2 mafia members. By default, everyone is a vanilla. Unless stated otherwise, the mafia members can perform the factional kill and use their roles in the same night.
How could it be reactionary if I was voting Rawr first? You know it's not, because:I think if Rawr hadn't become the center of attention the entire day you would have backed off him. Instead you got stuck in this awkward slapfight that made him look terrible and you couldn't pull out. I don't think there was an alternate to Rawr that day. Like, at all. Turns out cases predicated on knowing someone is scum make you look bad in advance.
Shadoweh:
Post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17947.msg1164039.html#msg1164039) "Rawr was insistant on pushing a weird case on Sky Paladin."
I would never, ever, ever, ever, ever kill Dan, unless I knew he was roled, because he is too valuable as a mislynch in LYLO. Which you know (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17947.msg1163537.html#msg1163537), because:Never Would I Ever As Scum Do That Thing I Did This Game. The thing is I can't think of anyone who would normally kill Dan, it's not what I would do either. You however, aren't the only member of your scumteam, and Rawr doing random things isn't out of the question. So no, you don't get to pretend you couldn't have done it when you weren't the only one there.
So no, you don't get to suspect me as scum. You know it's not me.
Actually, I want you to prove that you are town so I can make an easier choice between you and Mitsuki. I presume you want to prove you are town becauseI'm much more interested in proving you're scum. Maybe if you were town you wouldn't be so worried about how you look to people.
Mitsuki Is at least considering that you might not be what you say you are.
Because scum could just ask in their quick topic and already know the answer, having already idled their hit once. I'm town, so I have to ask in public. I'd rather not entertain a strategy unless it can be confirmed useful for town.Well technically town didn't have to either.. Bard already said in our QT that scum can idle. I trust him not to have lied for some reason.
I didn't even consider myself dying a possibility.
I'm much more interested in proving you're scum.
I think there is strategic value in holding on to my role at this stage. If your town network realllllly wants to know, let me know your posting on behalf of the neighbourhood watch.Considering this was after I claimed not-doc and Doc being divided among Shadoweh and Mitsuki becoming public knowledge when I claimed, what exactly was the strategic value of holding onto your role? Your gambit to get me to claim rolecop didn't work either, and the only people other than me were the doctor, the tracker, the neighborizer, and the guy we were in the process of lynching.
Considering this was after I claimed not-doc and Doc being divided among Shadoweh and Mitsuki becoming public knowledge when I claimed, what exactly was the strategic value of holding onto your role?
Can you imagine what today would look like if Shadoweh had said "No, I am the tracker, and I tracked Zakeri, who went nowhere. Mitsuki is lying!" They'd countervote right off the bat, and you and I would be forced to choose between them, with the first one to blink and vote deciding the game. Shadoweh could easily lie and say she's done plenty of scumhunting in the QT and we have no way of knowing the truth.No, that's not what I proposed at all. I suggested I should be protecting Bard instead of Mitsuki last night because scum don't like to fail to kill the same person twice. Actually I'd say I was fairly active in the QT, just bringing it up would be annoying for half the voting public that matters. The main reason I honestly believe you're scum is you're the only plausable target left. I don't actually like fakeclaiming for no reason? Like, what purpose would that have actually served?
That is what I assume Shadoweh was inferring (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17947.msg1164531.html#msg1164531) when she posted, "Tch, I told you it would have been cooler". I'm guessing Shadoweh proposed something like "Let's say that you're the doc and I'm the tracker" in the QT.
Out of Mitsuki and Shadoweh, Mitsuki played a better, more town-oriented game, and I learned from the game where I hammered Shadoweh in LYLO that a player who slam dunks scum is probably not scum.Well at least you actually remember it happened now.. ::) I'm also valentine's glomped and slightly feverish, but i'l lbe back later
I think Shadoweh is scum here, basically because I can see SkyPal's confidence, and Shadoweh feels scared. While I'm not that confident on Shadoweh, the more I think about it the more I can't see SkyPal as scum. Being skeptical of the tracker and trying to get 2 townies in a 1vs1? No way scum would do that.
The thing on Shadoweh is that right now she feels slightly as scum and then SkyPal brought a good point about her trying to shoot down SkyPal's Rawr case.
I'm sorry if this is the wrong choice. If Zakeri wants to think over it and sees things differently, we can always NL and talk a bit more about it. But otherwise I'd rather not let such a fight continue, I don't think it's fun for SkyPal and specially not for Shadoweh.
I do not get scared. What I am is confident that at least -I- know who the last scum is and you can't seriously want to throw this game away because he's 'CONFIDENT'.
jerksI'd apologize but my mama taught me not to lie.
Fun game to read, too bad mafia is dead rip.
I think the setup is probably more townsided when downsized. Would have been interesting to see with more players.
Maybe? I think it was more down to CF7's choice to pick doc heavily restricting the scum nightkills. Although town could've easily picked up Roleblocker or something I guess and that would've put scum in a really awkward position. I'm more disappointed that I had to cut most of the more interesting roles because they didn't fit in 9p very well.As Town I would have definitely picked up Roleblocker. It was obvious Sky didn't have it after the no-kill, since if he'd blocked someone I'm pretty sure it would have come up. Doctor was a goood choice in theory, and maybe I should have played it less tricky and just killed Mitsuki. Such is life.
I'm actually really surprised that NOBODY went for Roleblocker or even seemed to consider it when it's such a strong role in 9p.
I would have said something but I was busy practicing my CPR Doc abilities on Bard if you know what I mean.
Bardiche I get that you're saying that I contributed nothing to the game, you don't need to repeat it that much
No lynch at 5v1 with investigation alive is not a bad plan though?
the point was making scum forget that just one no-lynch is a thing, also the longer __Lo is the more pressure scum feel. I don't know about you but 6 days of __Lo would be a pain to bear for meThe only problem with your plan is that it amused me so much :yukkuri: Please spend 6 LYLO's with me Mitsy! We can start writing collaborative SkyXBard slash!
Shadoweh stop Valentine's Day is over and I got nothing from you. NOTHING BUT A KNIFE IN MY BACK.But at least I got you something! <3
We can start writing collaborative SkyXBard slash!
Seriously extending _Lo is horrible for either alignment.yea,
The only problem with your plan is that it amused me so much :yukkuri: Please spend 6 LYLO's with me Mitsy! We can start writing collaborative SkyXBard slash!
I believe it's a bad plan in nearly all cases because you rely on forfeiting your chief weapon to eliminate scum (lynching) and hoping that the night action will prove favourable (Scum won't kill a key figure).Except we weren't actually giving up a lynch. We still had the same number of lynches we had the whole game, which was 3 town lynches before loss.
because seeing Shadoweh get lynched could only be more satisfying if mine was the hammer.I'll tell you, it felt really good~.
itt Bard has bbeen sending me poetic death threats and/or solicitations all night :matsurismirk: