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~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: Chaore on April 11, 2014, 04:26:02 AM

Title: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Chaore on April 11, 2014, 04:26:02 AM
(http://www.gunghoonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/header-puzzle-dragons-e1352414844223.png)

Welcome to PUZZLE AND DRAGONS Mafia.

The dragonesque genre of mobile games has become so bloated, that PAD itself is now being threatened by shitty ripoff clones attempting to sabotage the game itself! They've already gotten rid of the incredibly lovable Mei Mei!

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Greetings, CHAORE.

You are TORTOISE MOUNTAIN GENBU, MEIMEI. Your element is only Green.

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/750.jpg)

You're a PAD Character, so you're town. You when when all the scum are eliminated, or that Handsome Devil Lucifer returns to town. Along with your federally mandated Vote and Ability to Speak you have FIVE abilities.

GENBU THE WORLD: At any time during the day, you may use #GENBU MOTHERFUCKERS: to target and wipe someone completely off the map. You may do this as many times as you wish until everyone is dead Day 1.
Tortoise Shell Too Strongk: You are completely unkillable or lynchable bar plot convenience.
Bastettttt~ Help me with this, kay?: You may target multiple players, up to the entire game, with any night action or Day Action
Dramatic Block!: During the night, you may take the shot for any player you target. As you're unkillable this is basically a doctor.
Taking a break now~: You may choose to completely leave the game at any point during the game, and come back when you wish. If the game ends while you're gone, you win.

You have no choice but to strike back, brave PADmons, fight!

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Rules:
1. Days will last 72 hours or until a lynch is met. If no lynch is met in that time span, no lynch will occur.
2. Once LYLO, and ONLY LYLO occurs, there will be no time limit for days. A lynch must be made to end the day.
3. Night phases will last 24 hours, and all actions that occur during the night must be sent in during that time.
4. Do not quote or screenshot your role PM or you will be fired. Out of a cannon.
5. Discussion of the game outside of the game unless permitted is grounds for execution.
6. Deletion or Editing of a post will cause god to smite you with lightning. This is your ONLY WARNING.
7. Dead players may 'BAH' exactly once, and can not discuss the game itself in that post. Any posts other than that single BAH post will be punished.
8. All talk ends during night phases. Once hammer hits, all talk also ends.
9. All votes must be bolded and preceded with ##. Same with unvotes.
10. The moderator may be questioned at any time in thread or via PM.
11. Any variation of 'God damnit Chaore!' may only be said once.
11.5- Rules can be modified at any time depending on clearances needed to be made.
12. Confirmation will start after all role PMs have been sent.
13. PX gets no bah posts ever.
14. Scum may not refuse to submit a kill, should one not be sent, the mafia kill will be randomized OUT OF ALL PLAYERS.

Alive:
1. Action Dan
2. Raitaki
4. Serela
6. PX
9. Squidworth Shadoweh
10. Zakeri

Dead:
14. Chaore, TORTOISE MOUNTAIN GENBU, MEIMEI took a break from the game Day 0- for good!
7. NNR, EVIL DARKDRAGON VRITA was taken out by bubblie Ballistics Day 1!~
11. Sky Paladin, FUU, THE DANCER IN THE GRASSES was taken back to Valhalla by Warrior Rose, Graceful Valkyrie at the end of Day 1.
8. Dr Rawr, DEMOLISHING CREATOR, SHIVA lost his house night 1, and also his life.
3. Raikaria, playing THE DREAD DRAGON MACHINE, EATER OF STONES, DESTROYER OF HOPES, SADISTIC MONSTER later FUMA KOTARO was destroyed for his crimes day 2.
13. Dormio, LOVE DEITY, COSMOS VENUS & NOCTURNE CHANTER TSUKUYOMI was destroyed in the night 2.
5. CF7, FOX QUEEN DAJI was lynched on Day 3.
12. Bardiche, ECO TINY ALMA died on Night 3.


Confirmation Phase begins now, once all players have confirmed they've received their Role PMs the game will begin.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2014, 04:27:07 AM
Where the fuck is my role PM also holy shit why do you start this 30 minutes before my exam.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2014, 04:34:25 AM
Oh, cool, there it is.
/out
8)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: Serela on April 11, 2014, 04:34:58 AM
You decided to put my meta into a solidified role to just get it over with before the game even starts, didn't you

WELL I GUESS I'M PRETTY OKAY WITH THIS. Everyone will understand what I'm talking about soon. But time to sleep~ This is like the longest confirmation post I've ever seen anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: ActionDan on April 11, 2014, 04:40:38 AM
Confirming that Serela's role is awesome

NOT!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: Raitaki on April 11, 2014, 04:54:52 AM
confirm
great job chaore you ignored my whole spring break and went straight to the "actually doing homework" part c:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 11, 2014, 05:04:07 AM
this game took so long to start that I forgot how to reach the website.

Also, I'm dropping my confirm post meta this game.

also, also, confirmed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 11, 2014, 05:35:21 AM
guess how many fists i have to punch you people in the face? /confirmed
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: PX on April 11, 2014, 05:37:08 AM
I could have sworn I quit playing this fucking app game 3 times already
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: CF7 on April 11, 2014, 06:56:20 AM
/confirm
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 11, 2014, 09:23:23 AM
/iPhone confirm

Maybe I should actually get the game since I'm pretty much iPhone playing this game.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: Pesco on April 11, 2014, 09:54:40 AM
Luci confirmed for low tier :V

Pesco confirmed for hasn't touched the game in like a year.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 11, 2014, 12:31:15 PM
Oh here's the thread.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: Raikaria on April 11, 2014, 02:46:37 PM
Conformation Complete
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: ActionDan on April 11, 2014, 03:11:28 PM
Shadoweh replaces Bardiche effective immediately!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: Raikaria on April 11, 2014, 03:36:54 PM
Shadoweh replaces Bardiche effective immediately!

Wait it takes this long to start and then we instantly get a replacement?

Wat.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: ActionDan on April 11, 2014, 05:09:01 PM
It's a joke
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: Bardiche on April 11, 2014, 06:19:42 PM
You want me to drop out?

Okay.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- CONFIRMATION PHASE
Post by: Chaore on April 11, 2014, 09:05:53 PM
12/13 seems about right.

THE FIRST DAY BEGINS

With 13 ali-

GGGGGGGGGGGREAT!

Oh!

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/984.jpg)

Serela is posing in an incredibly manly manner! He's GIGAS THE GREAT!

This means he is TOWN. Yay!

Relatedly, he also currently appears to be BULLETPROOF. It sure would suck if someone tried to shoot him and failed.

Everyone join in a shout with him!

GGGGGGGGGGGREAT! *POSE*

With that aside, There are 13 players left alive, so it takes seven votes to lynch.

Deadline is set for April 14th, Six O' Clock Pm EST. Giving you roughly three days.

Have at it!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raitaki on April 11, 2014, 09:26:10 PM
I claim Miller.

##Vote Serela

ohgod my eyes it hurts please go away ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 11, 2014, 09:26:43 PM
Oh, lol.
##Vote Bard.
Because apathy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 11, 2014, 10:16:40 PM
##Vote: Raitaki

Serela talked about the meta being strong, but I'm almost worried that roles may have been hand selected this game.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2014, 10:35:54 PM
##Vote Dormio

Without a Shadoweh to vote, I am lost and confused.
What am I even doing with my life right now?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 11, 2014, 10:41:49 PM
Oops, I messed up the BB coding.
Not that it matters, anyway, because nothing can stop me in my quest.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 11, 2014, 11:23:49 PM
Serela is confirmed town? There goes my 'lynch Serela Day 1 so he's not alive at LYLO' strat.

You want me to drop out?

Okay.

Just the opposite. I was baffled.

Anyway, we must keep up traditions!

##Vote: Sky Paladin

I fully expect a vote in kind!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 11, 2014, 11:52:39 PM
No wai Rai, you shouldn't let moderators tell you what roles are IMO it worked out so well for us last game.
If you believe then BELEIVE in day 1 Serela lunch. Don't let logic and common sense betray you!

##vote Pesco because I never had the chance before. So scary :C
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on April 11, 2014, 11:59:35 PM
##Vote: Raitaki

Intentionally votes for Town. Who else intentionally vote Town? Scum do.

Not even joking. Legit scummy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raitaki on April 12, 2014, 12:10:31 AM
Nope. Stop right there. Every citizen has the right to RVS. You're unfairly ostracizing me for exercising my rights in my own way >:C

Also, Sky_Pal, trying to act the victim to cast doubt on my claim?
##Unvote
##Vote: Sky_Paladin
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 12, 2014, 12:29:52 AM
Hmmm huuuung

##vote cf7
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 12, 2014, 12:31:07 AM
Wait for it
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Serela on April 12, 2014, 12:40:58 AM
GGGGGGGGGGREAT!

##Vote Raitaki

SkyPal you do realize Pesco isn't actually in the game right
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Serela on April 12, 2014, 12:42:13 AM
Also, if Bard is a vig, -then- you get to worry about roles being handpicked.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 12, 2014, 12:55:10 AM
GGGGGGGGGGREAT!

##Vote Raitaki

SkyPal you do realize Pesco isn't actually in the game right

There it is.

Wait for it
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Schezo on April 12, 2014, 01:51:33 AM
Votecount

Bardiche (1): CF7
Raitaki (3): Zakeri, Bardiche, Serela
Dormio (1): Dormio
Sky Paladin (2): Raikaria, Raitaki
Pesco (1): Sky Paladin
CF7 (1): Action Dan

Not Voting: PX,  NNR, Dr. Rawr,  Squidworth

With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are ~69 hours left in the day.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raitaki on April 12, 2014, 02:08:08 AM
Pesco (1): Sky Paladin
Wow
It's happening
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: PX on April 12, 2014, 02:32:32 AM
No it's not

##Vote Raitaki
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 12, 2014, 03:37:13 AM
Game is going strong, not even half a day in and we've already got people voting for two of the scum.

of course one of those two isn't playing but I'm still counting it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 12, 2014, 05:15:50 AM
Well, i wouldn't read too deep into rvs vote, tbh. I'd even say that people are entitled to vote anyone they want as their rvs vote. I agree that voting for confirmed town is scummy, but not this early into the game. Also by that logic Dormio could be scummy as well, since he's voting himself.
But actually, to test waters...
##Unvote
##Vote Dormio
.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 12, 2014, 05:21:42 AM
Oh ah err um. No I didn't know Pesco wasnt playing. Well it's just rvs vote, I'll put down something more serious later.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 12, 2014, 06:41:29 AM
Don't worry, Sky is just predicting Pesco replacing in.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Chaore on April 12, 2014, 06:52:14 AM
Relatedly, If Squidworth continues to not confirm by the 24h mark of the first day, I'll just have shadoweh replace in for him.

If he's not able to make that for whatever reason, I'd appreciate atleast communication from him. >>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 12, 2014, 07:05:34 AM
##Unvote
##Vote ActionDan
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 12, 2014, 08:13:01 AM
Well it's just rvs vote, I'll put down something more serious later.
Do that.
Anyway, it's a weird RVS start. Like more RVS than usual.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 12, 2014, 08:16:35 AM
@CF7: Is your current vote on me random?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 12, 2014, 08:22:28 AM
@CF7: Is your current vote on me random?
Not really. As i said, testing reactions.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 12, 2014, 08:37:04 AM
Cool.
Do you think that I am more likely to be scum for having voted myself?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 12, 2014, 08:46:27 AM
Well, you might be. Because self-voting is sort of a good way of not showing your bias toward other players if you are scum.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 12, 2014, 09:05:06 AM
Awesome.
Now, are you going to give me a more decisive stance or are you going to stick with your "you might be"?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 12, 2014, 09:17:06 AM
It's still just the beginning of D1 and there were not many player interactions and such, so I'll stick with my "you might be".
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 12, 2014, 09:52:27 AM
Alright, that's cool.
##Unvote
##Vote CF7

This vote is not random.
CF7 is scum trying to look like he's creating a valid case and therefore encouraging the end of the random voting stage.
"But isn't trying to end the random voting stage a good thing for town and a bad thing for scum? How could that make someone scummy?"
Easy. Because the random voting stage will inevitably end at some point.
Scum might as well try to make what they can of it.
"But how can you tell if it's coming from scum or town since they both have their own motivations for trying to end the random voting stage?"
Well, I can only hazard a guess, but I think that CF7's motivations come from a scum agenda.
"Why is that?"
Well, let's look at CF7's posts.
His first post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086290.html#msg1086290) is a randomly placed vote on Bardiche with no real significant meaning to it.
However CF7's second post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086409.html#msg1086409), the one where he votes for me, is much more interesting.
Firstly, he defends Raitaki for no real reason.
I do not understand why he CF7 would do this when he complains in his next post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086447.html#msg1086447) about the random voting stage.
Was Bardiche voting Raitaki not a point of interest which you could have, at the very least, attempted to investigate further if you truly wanted the random voting stage to end?
Why then do you try to absolve Raitaki of any guilt while not making any sort of judgement on Bardiche?
The fact that you did neither of these makes me think that your complaint about the random voting stage is insincere.
Couple this with the fact that your complaint was made less than 12 hours into the game and this makes me think that you were simply complaining about the random voting stage in order to make it appear as though you wanted the random voting stage to end when, in reality, you were more than content to let the random voting stage drag on.
This is further supported by the second half of your second post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086409.html#msg1086409) wherein you vote for myself.
So, tell me, why is it that you defend Raitaki for voting for confirmed town and simultaneously attempt to paint me as scummy for voting myself. (Confirmed town to me)
You claim that it is to fish for reactions which should, in turn, help to end the random voting stage but that's really just a facade, isn't it?
With no strong opinions of your own, you just want to look like you're contributing whilst not actually committing yourself to anything.
I mean, just look at CF7's latest post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086454.html#msg1086454).
All I asked of you was to decide on whether or not me voting for myself was scummy and yet he comes up with the excuse that there are not enough player interactions to determine this.
What possible player interactions could he require when the only possible person involved in the action that you might or might not find scummy is me?
But, I suppose I have to cut you some slack.
After all, if you were to commit yourself to thinking that I were scummy, then that would make it pretty awkward for you later if an opportunity to jump onto an easy wagon arrives, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Serela on April 12, 2014, 12:04:29 PM
Is there really a wall that big already?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 12, 2014, 12:40:06 PM
His first post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086290.html#msg1086290) is a randomly placed vote on Bardiche with no real significant meaning to it.
However CF7's second post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086409.html#msg1086409), the one where he votes for me, is much more interesting.
Firstly, he defends Raitaki for no real reason.
Well my only defense of Raitaki was that i pointed out that people semi-seriously voting for him because of his RVS joke vote. Tbh, i kind of wanted to vote for Serela myself just for kicks, but as you can see people here have no sense of humor and Raitaki is scummy because of this.
I do not understand why he CF7 would do this when he complains in his next post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086447.html#msg1086447) about the random voting stage.
Was Bardiche voting Raitaki not a point of interest which you could have, at the very least, attempted to investigate further if you truly wanted the random voting stage to end?Why then do you try to absolve Raitaki of any guilt while not making any sort of judgement on Bardiche?
The fact that you did neither of these makes me think that your complaint about the random voting stage is insincere.
Couple this with the fact that your complaint was made less than 12 hours into the game and this makes me think that you were simply complaining about the random voting stage in order to make it appear as though you wanted the random voting stage to end when, in reality, you were more than content to let the random voting stage drag on.
Bard's vote was his first post vote and i didn't pay much attention to it. Because usually people just write random junk in their first posts. Thinking back on it, his jump on Raitaki is so far null, as most of the votes made in RVS. At least for me this early in the game.
Also i didn't "complain" about RVS. It was just observation and stating the facts.

This is further supported by the second half of your second post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086409.html#msg1086409) wherein you vote for myself.
So, tell me, why is it that you defend Raitaki for voting for confirmed town and simultaneously attempt to paint me as scummy for voting myself. (Confirmed town to me)
You claim that it is to fish for reactions which should, in turn, help to end the random voting stage but that's really just a facade, isn't it?
With no strong opinions of your own, you just want to look like you're contributing whilst not actually committing yourself to anything.
I wrote about Raitaki's situation above, considering you i didn't try to paint you scummy. I said you might be and I voted you and wanted to see what happens. As it turns out you decided to write a case on me. Also what opinions are you talking about, when pretty much nothing happened yet and half the players are not even here?
All I asked of you was to decide on whether or not me voting for myself was scummy and yet he comes up with the excuse that there are not enough player interactions to determine this.
What possible player interactions could he require when the only possible person involved in the action that you might or might not find scummy is me?
So far self-voting is more or less null. And i wanted to see more of your posts nothing more nothing less. Maybe i worded it wrong.
All in all, i'll wait and see what happens next. And for now, my vote stays where it is.

P.S. I am genuinely amazed at how people here can make cases on me over trivial things.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 12, 2014, 01:19:30 PM
Groannn walls.

Dormio that is certainly the best constructed case I have seen. Truly you are a mafia god.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 12, 2014, 02:20:06 PM
Dormio why when I click on the posts you post in your post does the font go all weird?

Also while you have some points I think the case is a little too cruxed on the RVS votes and silly shenanigans that happened there. That said, it's enough to get me thinking in the peanut gallery about it, I'm just not convinced yet.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raitaki on April 12, 2014, 02:28:26 PM
Also, Sky_Pal, trying to act the victim to cast doubt on my claim?
Still waiting on this by the way. Were you trying to say that I shouldn't believe in my Miller role PM?
Thinking back on it, his jump on Raitaki is so far null, as most of the votes made in RVS. At least for me this early in the game.
So far self-voting is more or less null. And i wanted to see more of your posts nothing more nothing less. Maybe i worded it wrong.
Well, you might be. Because self-voting is sort of a good way of not showing your bias toward other players if you are scum.
So what degree of scumminess is Dormio on the scum-o-meter right now? You said it was null twice, but earlier you called it possibly scummy in a way that applies to RVS, and you even said you wanted to see more of his posts. If what he's doing null, why do you want to read him more over others?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 12, 2014, 03:06:24 PM
Well, considering Dormio, i'm leaning on slightly scummy at the moment. Because his case seemed like cherry-picking to me.
I wanted more posts from Dormio because of whole self-voting thing. And no-one else self-voted. It's just not a townie action. That's why i wanted to see more interactions from him, so i could confirm or disprove my suspicions.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raitaki on April 12, 2014, 03:30:51 PM
So regardless of what you said about RVS actions being null, Dormio's self-vote is still scummy? And despite what you just said about it being "more or less null", apparently it's not a town action (a townie won't do it = implying it's anti-town) now?

##Vote: CF7

Scummy for rapidly changing viewpoints as convenient, and also for the non-concrete, retractable posts that fail to commit to anything as Dormio pointed out, what with the "mostly" and "might" and "usually".
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raitaki on April 12, 2014, 03:37:47 PM
Whoops

##Unvote
##Vote CF7
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 12, 2014, 03:54:48 PM
My "mostly", "might" and "usually" come from uncertainty, because it's D1 and there's no 100% information that could be used reliably.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 12, 2014, 05:24:05 PM
Well, considering Dormio, i'm leaning on slightly scummy at the moment. Because his case seemed like cherry-picking to me.
I wanted more posts from Dormio because of whole self-voting thing. And no-one else self-voted. It's just not a townie action. That's why i wanted to see more interactions from him, so i could confirm or disprove my suspicions.

Except it's the first serious vote out of RVS.

Of course it's cherry-picking. You gotta pick the cherries out of RVS, there ain't much content otherwise to pick.

Just seems like an attempt to discredit Dormio's case there.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 12, 2014, 05:38:16 PM
I exist. my sleep schedule's been ridiculous since last week though so starting off might be a bit wonky.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 12, 2014, 06:18:57 PM
Read up. I like the case on CF7 so far. With the Dormio wall I was thinking "Dormio has some valid points, and I would have missed CF7's scummy OP otherwise, but CF7's reactions seem natural, RVS is rather uncertain and chaotic." but CF7 hasn't been helping his own defense with the waffling behavior.

So I'm going to sheep Dormio
##Vote: CF7


Idle thoughts:
-Dan shoudn't be playing Mafia if he can't handle long posts
-If roles really were cherrypicked, CF7 dun goofed and didn't make me a Miller.
-I sure hope Serela puts more effort into the game, since he doesn't have to worry about being suspicious.
-Raitaki reaction to getting voted in RVS was scummy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 12, 2014, 06:46:03 PM
Considering I've read everything I resent that Mr NekoNekoFever
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Serela on April 12, 2014, 06:47:59 PM
NNR:I don't normally hold back much in my play in the first place, unless maybe if I'm scum. I'm very transparent like that. (Although I do obviously hold back things that really wouldn't be productive at all)

But everyone who isn't new should know that I have an utterly terrible relationship with ED1, so, yeah, there's a significant chance I'm not posting for like 22 hours. That's what -normally- happens, anyway, so it's nothing new. It's just normally I don't blatantly admit that it's what I'm going to do B)

anyway I had the same reaction as dan, so
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Chaore on April 12, 2014, 07:59:41 PM
This Votecount set up is weird but i'm too lazy to change it: Round 1

Bardiche (0):
Raitaki (4): Zakeri, Bardiche, Serela, PX
Dormio (1):  CF7
Sky Paladin (1): Raikaria
Pesco (1): Sky Paladin
CF7 (4): Action Dan, Dormio, Raitaki, NNR

Not Voting:  Dr. Rawr,  Squidworth

With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are ~50 hours left in the day.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Chaore on April 12, 2014, 10:02:50 PM
24 Hours have passed, Squidworth has been replaced by Shadoweh starting now.

Feel free to quick hammer her at your leisure.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Serela on April 12, 2014, 10:37:53 PM
SHADOWEH <3 When I looked over the playerlist and you weren't there I felt a void in my heart
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 12, 2014, 10:42:50 PM
Re : Raitaka
Oh uh. I actually thought you and Raikaria were the same account until just now. I was referring to rais desire to lynch Serela despite being mod confirmed town: and last game I after I claimed vanilla town there was some hilarity here.

Blah blah

##vote Raitaka

For being overly sensitive about his miller claim.

Re: Cf7-Dormio: self voting is scummy and giant wall with what looks to me to be begging the question does not move me. That said I spent the last two games getting pressure for not voting Cf7 so I'm :/ not this again.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on April 12, 2014, 11:12:57 PM
If I pretend not to have seen my role pm and don't confirm can I lurk out the rest of the day?
Dormio being really tryhard is a scumtell no joke, but as his post is the best thing today so far I don't feel like voting him for it.
Sky, its Raitaki and Raikaria, please stop merging them, that would be something awful. Raitaki is the only person I would consider faking a Miller, but the pile-on of votes on him seems overblown to me. I haven't been reading CF7 (or anyone really) closely enough yet to say if he's super scum 5000 like last time. I think Sky's vote right there is scummy though, Raitaki doesn't seem to be overreacting to prods on his miller claim at all to me.

##Vote: Action Dan

Stop powerlurking. If you've actually posted game-related content in the last 24 hours be sure to disagree with me. It might make your posts longer then an unreadable one-liner. If only I could make a wall case on Dan to match Dormio's beauty, sadly that would require something to post about.

On an unrelated to scumhunting note, is GIGAS an Only Fire type? He looks like a fire pokemon. If Dan is a Dark or Dark subtype I would appreciate confirming or denying that, also same question to Bardiche. FOR MYSTERY REASONS.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 12, 2014, 11:47:47 PM
Firstly, I'm going to make a response to CF7's response to me (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086462.html#msg1086462).
It's pretty amusing how he only helps to perpetuate my case whilst trying to defend himself.
For example he claims that he was not defending Raitaki, nor was he complaining about the random voting stage.
Instead, he was simply bringing to light the fact that Raitaki was being voted and that the random voting stage didn't seem to show any sign of stopping.
Yeah, right. What a load of bullshit.
The wording "people semi-seriously voting for him because of his RVS joke vote" is defensive in and of itself as it states that you believe that the votes for Raitaki are unjustified.
And then there was absolutely no point in bringing attention to the random voting stage when less than 12 hours had passed by that point.
With an unreasonable complaint like that, as I said before, it looks to me like you're only trying to make it look as though you want the random voting stage to end whilst not actually caring either way.
And then we have this beauty of a line: "considering you i didn't try to paint you scummy."
I don't know how it works in your country, buddy, but when somebody states reasons for why my actions could potentially be scummy, I think that's a pretty clear indication that that person is trying to get some attention on me.
Which is fine in and of itself.
What is not fine is the wishy-washy attitude that you take.
Why couldn't you commit on a read on me either way when you gave your own reasons so as to why I was suspicious?
Why did you give the bullshit excuse of needing more player interactions when the only interactions that you needed were me interacting with myself?
And also, why do you feel the need to try to discredit me by calling my case trivial?
Like, actually, the last sentence where CF7 states "P.S. I am genuinely amazed at how people here can make cases on me over trivial things." is pretty scummy by itself.
You made your response, so what need is there for the further attempt at discrediting me?
Why employ an underhanded appeal to emotion?
Is it because you're scum, and know that I'm town as a result, and can't find a way to make a proper case on me without resorting to something like that?

Dormio being really tryhard is a scumtell no joke
You trying to pick a fight here?

I'll make a post about some of the other stuff that's happened after I eat breakfast and do some stuff.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2014, 12:14:03 AM
I have to agree with Shadoweh in regards to Dan.
It's great that you're reading, but do you feel like contributing too at any point?

I feel that NekoNekoRex should contribute more at some point too.
Same goes for PX, Bardiche, Zakeri, and Rawr.
Idle thoughts:
-If roles really were cherrypicked, CF7 dun goofed and didn't make me a Miller.
And this is clearly a scumslip.

Now, once I do some more stuff, I'll probably post about the other people that have done something so far in this game.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on April 13, 2014, 12:31:53 AM
Frankly I'm surprised you didn't vote Squidworth in preparation for my ascendance and to restore your faith in mafia :D
I'm semi-serious about it, yes. I know you're capable of it as Town but you've taken to only doing it when you want to be unreadable.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 13, 2014, 12:35:27 AM
To be explicit I think your case against cf7 is terrible.  For one saying he's complaining about rvs when the tone he used throughout was 50 shades of neutral.  The rest is overblown bad cop vomit. It genuinely surprises me that you were able to to create a wall out of that.

Atm his defense posts are satisfactory though I don't understand what reactions he could have been expecting.

Shadoweh if it helps I am the opposite of black.  Also if you're red that'll go nice with the blood that'll flow today :).  O my look at the time!  It's lurk o'clock
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on April 13, 2014, 12:41:31 AM
I'm black as my soul feels every time you decided twitterposting is better then making a good post like that. If you think the case on CF7 is bad, what are you voting him for? An actual question looking for you to sell me on it b/c I'd rather vote Paladin for badreasoning.org

##Unvote
##Vote: Sky Paladin
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 13, 2014, 12:48:32 AM
I don't feel a need to move it because I'm not sure who to move it to plus I don't think his defenses are a paragon of towness, just that they don't incriminate him.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2014, 12:51:26 AM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/128.png)   Hey, hey! Is it time for us to shine yet?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   Shut up. Why would you want to shine in the first place?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   Staying out of sight would suit you so much better.
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/128.png)   But things are so bo~ring right now!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   Why don't you just go kill yourself if you're bored?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/128.png)   You're so mean! Fine! I'll wait!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 13, 2014, 12:52:23 AM
Dan, do you think Shadowehs misrep of me in her intro post is more or less scummy than Cf7 or Dormio?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2014, 12:53:47 AM
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CF7 is scum trying to look like he's creating a valid case and therefore encouraging the end of the random voting stage.

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Dormio is scum trying to look like he's creating a valid case and therefore encouraging the end of the random voting stage.

I don't see why Dormio's reasoning doesn't apply to him all the same. His case uses over-dramatisation of the actual proceedings ("complaint" is a rather quick assumption), as well as assumptions:
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You claim that it is to fish for reactions which should, in turn, help to end the random voting stage but that's really just a facade, isn't it?
If you cut out everything after the word "reactions", you are left with what factually happened. After that is conjecture and assumption. The part about "strong opinions" is bullocks at this stage in the game where there are very few opinions to be formed and smells too much of random nonsense slapped in to make his case seem more legit. Demanding a certain "you're scum" or "it's likely you're scum based on the self-vote" is absurd given not even 12 hours into the game and RVS stage. I have a feeling that if the answer had been, "Yes", Dormio would still have been making this case.

I also dislike the follow-up posts for nonsense like
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Instead, he was simply bringing to light the fact that [...] the random voting stage didn't seem to show any sign of stopping.
We have on record CF7 saying that "RVS is weird, more weird than normally". How does that equate to "RVS shows no sign of ending"?
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I don't know how it works in your country, buddy, but when somebody states reasons for why my actions could potentially be scummy, I think that's a pretty clear indication that that person is trying to get some attention on me.
I also dislike this line of reasoning. Dormio's case has a lot of nitpicking: attacking very specific parts of a post and overblowing them with assumption and supposition. But when CF7 states he wasn't trying to "paint" someone as scummy, Dormio insists that it is so. "Painting" someone as scummy implies the person isn't scummy to begin with, and this thus falls down to OMGUS.


Serela, rather than comment on the size of the post, care to comment on the content of it?

Raikaria, can you not flip-flop waffle on it and say whether you think the case is good or bad? "It's too cruxed on RVS" and "it has me thinking about it" is too vague and wishy-washy. This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086561.html#msg1086561) talks about "discrediting" Dormio's case in a weird way to me. It's weird because Raikaria first agrees that Dormio is cherrypicking arguments, but then states that observing this apparent fact is "discrediting" the case. If you think it's true, why is it discrediting it?

Serela is useless. Lucky for him the mod favours him.

Sky_Paladin, if Raitaki is scummy, what do you opine about his CF7 vote then?


##Vote: Dormio
His case is needlessly aggressive and considering the last game I would not be surprised if he's scum hoping CF7 will break down under the pressure like he did last game. I also can't really remember a time when Dormio goes outright hostile from the get-go. Points in his case are nitpicks with blown-out proportions, and the only real part of his case I consider worthwhile is the accusation of "wishy-washy behaviour" versus CF7. For the RVS phase, however, this reasoning isn't strong enough to pretend there's this strong a case on anyone. Dormio's guilty of "trying hard to make it look like he's contributing to end RVS".
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 13, 2014, 12:58:04 AM
Ok but I'm the one doing the shining. Just wait for it.

Pedit.  Despite that being an impressively loaded question on about 3 levels I can answer that my instinct is not inclined to travel in those directions to find scum.

Ppedit.  Oh my wall
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on April 13, 2014, 01:03:32 AM
Frankly I support Serela doing nothing but posting a vote followed by his day is going because it would make me smile every time I read the thread. It's not like we need to hear his opinions to suss him out, annd lets be honest, was anyone looking for Serela to convince them who the scum are? PS ilu Serela

I hate to break it to you but I'm already Townie Obvtown, therefore your question is invalid.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 13, 2014, 01:25:19 AM
Okay I like basically everything in bards wall
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2014, 01:34:19 AM
RE: Bard's post.
In regards to me trying hard to end the random voting stage: True.
I actually ended it though as opposed to CF7's "maybe, maybe not, I don't feel like committing" attempt.
That's all I'll say about that, if you think my attempt came from scum!Dormio, then that's cool too.

Anyway, anime sucks and I'll probably be back later.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 13, 2014, 01:52:54 AM
@dormio
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All I asked of you was to decide on whether or not me voting for myself was scummy and yet he comes up with the excuse that there are not enough player interactions to determine this.
What possible player interactions could he require when the only possible person involved in the action that you might or might not find scummy is me?
not that i really care or anything but cf7 reply about the player interactions doesnt limit itself to "reactions to dormios selfvote"
i could spend 10 minutes breaking apart dormios case posts on cf7 but why would i bother trying to defend cf7?

raitakis miller claim is pretty cool(he didnt wait till later in the game to claim it) but i have no idea why hes so hung up about sky paladins #25 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086308.html#msg1086308)post, you just read it wrong really

@shadoweh gigas is fire/light no idea if colors have anything to do with roles or not though

#Vote: Raitaki
hilarious as it is raitaki fake claiming miller is a potential thing and his line of logic in voting cf7 doesnt even make any sense. even though he misread what sky paladin said his "why dont you believe my role pm" reaction is pretty scummy

-cut-
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I actually ended it though as opposed to CF7's "maybe, maybe not, I don't feel like committing" attempt.
are you implying his half baked attempt at ending rvs is scummy? i would think making any attempt at ending rvs is town rather. also wasnt your post just a reaction to his vote? so in a way he did end rvsby seeing what kind of reaction you would make
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 13, 2014, 01:55:10 AM
Quote from: shadoweh
I think Sky's vote right there is scummy though, Raitaki doesn't seem to be overreacting to prods on his miller claim at all to me.
how so considering he would vote sky paladin over it and wanted what ever kind of response raitaki wanted from him?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 13, 2014, 01:57:30 AM
also im going to ask did anyone elses role pm mention lucifer?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 13, 2014, 01:58:15 AM
also im going to ask did anyone elses role pm mention lucifer?
a simple yes or no nothing else please
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Serela on April 13, 2014, 02:02:24 AM
Rawr:It's in the sample town PM given in the opening post. By the way lol hi would it be dumb to softclear rawr for this? I kind of thought the same thing when I saw it and almost pm'd Chaore about it, but then I saw the sample pm in post one.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 13, 2014, 02:04:17 AM
i didnt read chaores opening post

I spent so much time on it too :negative:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Serela on April 13, 2014, 02:08:15 AM
gee gee

Anyway, fairly satisfied with where my vote is right now, I could be tempted into voting SkyPal but it's nothing significant. Dormio is a meta thing and I don't remember Dormio!meta well enough for that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 13, 2014, 02:08:23 AM
in fact im pretty embarrassed by serela telling me that i almost feel like editing out those posts. but im sure chaore told us we cant do that in the same post as the role pm
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 13, 2014, 02:21:26 AM
Dan is Town for reading more of the game than I have.
I am scum does backpedalling on my enjoying walls, We literally have a day three only post at the very tail end of RVS, geez.

I agree that CF7's posting felt stilted and forced, but I don't think that solidifies him as scum. In fact, I remember reading his posting as lucid and true as scum, although the game I'm thinking of ended up with him getting lynched day one for not putting up a fight.

I'm tempted to vote Dormio for making up a bunch of bullshit on the account of he couldn't possibly have that many things this early in the game, but I don't think I'd be voting him for actually being scum if I did that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2014, 02:25:25 AM
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I am scum does backpedalling on my enjoying walls

It is with the for one of does not parse the post of it that the made of it

I am scum

???????

Dormio isn't able to respond to any of my case about him? I assume that means he admits his case is fluffed up bullshit. Satisfied with the location of my vote.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 13, 2014, 02:30:17 AM
keeping my vote, because Raitaki's interactions with CF7 seem more like just taking advantage of his ability to outword CF7.

Also I meant "for" instead of "Does". If it helps you can put an "of" between "enjoying" and "walls".
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2014, 02:52:27 AM
It's okay Bardiche, I have ways to prove my alignment later.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2014, 02:52:48 AM
Like I mentioned earlier, nothing can stop me in my quest.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2014, 02:53:54 AM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/128.png)   Now?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   No. Go die.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 13, 2014, 02:55:01 AM
Nagano station check in.  Probably last check in for awhile for me.

I think Shadoweh is scum for her misrep of me in her opening post but I don't have the time to disassemble it. Basically she made an empty content post that telegraphed her intent to vote me and talked about colors, then voted me. As in faking content to appear helpful but really is not.

Ah gotta go
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Schezo on April 13, 2014, 03:00:29 AM
Purple is better than scrub red: Round 2

Raitaki (5): Zakeri, Serela, PX, Sky Paladin, Dr Rawr L-2
Dormio (2):  CF7, Bardiche
Sky Paladin (2): Raikaria, Shadoweh
CF7 (4): Action Dan, Dormio, Raitaki, NNR

Not Voting:  Nobody

Raitaki is at L-2
With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are ~43 hours left in the day.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 13, 2014, 03:17:39 AM
"Telegraphing a vote" is just an easy way to put a negative spin on "Talking about people she finds suspicious before voting them."
It doesn't help that there's some content in her empty content posts.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raitaki on April 13, 2014, 03:30:35 AM
@CF7: RVS being uncertain doesn't excuse flip-flopping. Tossing all that stuff about RVS being null out of the window just to appease Dormio saying he can't get a solid vote out looks scummy to me.

@Sky_Pal: You immediately called my claim possibly bogus after I made it, so I asked you to elaborate on that and put a vote on for pressure, how is that being overly sensitive? This was still back in RVS, and votes made during RVS aren't likely to stick anyway, why did you think I was flipping out with that vote? If anything, putting someone on L-2 ED1 for asking about you apparently debunking their claim is the more sensitive thing to me :I

Dan, do you think Shadowehs misrep of me in her intro post is more or less scummy than Cf7 or Dormio?
What is this post even? Just straight up accuses Shadoweh of misrepping you without any explanation, and then why did you specifically asking Dan for his opinion about it? Feels like "hey if you have nothing to do vote this person who's voting me" to me.

Bard's deconstruction of Dormio's CF7 case looks legit, think I'll read it again instead of skim on first sight of post-by-post analysis. Though my point still stands that CF7 was scummy for retconning his nullread of Dormio's self-vote and RVS actions in general to present a more "solid" scumread on Dormio when confronted.

So with Zak and rawr, that's 2 people who basically waved off my CF7 vote for ??? reasons. Zakeri what do you mean outwording CF7? Is it scummy to bring semantics into scumhunting or something?

Remind me why I'm at L-2 again? It's not even half D1 and I'm already sitting on five votes and having no idea where half of them came from :I

Okay, looking back at Dormio's walls, Bard was right, the stuff about CF7 faking wanting to end RVS is pretty much speculation. He did bring up some more concrete details, like asking why my vote on Serela was null and his self-vote wasn't and pointing out how CF7 handwaved Dormio's first wall away, but there's still a lot of unnecessary pointless text in there. Looking at people's responses to the wordiness, I'm guessing this is not a regular thing where Dormio intentionally acts obfuscating, so I think cramming all that filler in there is incriminating.

None of my other scumreads are solid enough to warrant a switch yet, so I'm keeping my vote where it is and see what these people have to say for now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 13, 2014, 03:45:21 AM
Wow I didn't even notice at the time of my last post that Raitaki had so many votes.

Then I see three of them occured during RVS.

Then PX's Raitaki vote is for no reason.

Not got to reading and checking Rawr and Sky's reasons for voting him, it's 4:30am and I've been woken by BIRDS and I'm not in the state to do complex thinking yet. Give me time to wake up on that one.

ActionDan unvoted too, so I'm not gonna look too into that, and Serela is *confirmed town*.

But PX and Zakeri should perhaps flesh out their reasons for sitting on their RVS votes still when the wagon has rolled to L-2.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 13, 2014, 03:46:18 AM
Note I may have missed the explanations. 4:30am. I just skimming and posting votecount reactions. Coherent post later when it's a reasonable hour.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 13, 2014, 03:48:22 AM
Also I am fully aware I am still on my RVS vote myself, but I'm still in the 'trying to figure out who is the scum in this mess' phase. And I'm not sitting on an RVS which is L-2.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Serela on April 13, 2014, 03:59:29 AM
It's not like he's actually going to get quickhammered or something.

Also, going to bed
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 13, 2014, 04:02:24 AM
It's not like he's actually going to get quickhammered or something.

Also, going to bed

This is me we are talking about Serela.

Also it's more a 'are you guys serious about your lynch and if so elaborate', just written in a really sleepy 4:30am mode.

Now it's a '5 am and I've eaten something' mode. Probobly post more in a couple of hours.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on April 13, 2014, 04:12:03 AM
I'm not 'talking about colors', I'm explicitly asking a question for role-related reasons. Which Bardiche didn't answer. I assume this means he's still mad at me for turning on him at the last minute. I might make it up to him if he has a black black heart too.

Sky's defense boils down to oh my god, Shadoweh sucks. I look forward to him having enough time to make a terrible case against me and vote him so I can throw him off a cliff.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 13, 2014, 05:22:08 AM
OK actually conscious enough to read and digest stuff now.

Firstly I am waving my arms around flailing because usually my big contribution is to do something dumb to *~end RVS~* but Dormio beat me to that.

Zakeri is clearly taking other things into account, so I'm not too fussed about Zakeri's vote sitting on the initial RVS vote anymore. PX hasn't done much of anything, so I can't really talk too much about that either.

So basically, my gut that something was up with the Raitaki votes was off. Although I don't agree with the votes on him too much. I think people are blowing it out of proportion. I don't think his miller claim is enough to jump on him, nor his insitance to defend that claim when being jumped on for it.

Of course, that could be his entire gambit, to make people think that he's legit by not retracting the miller claim or something when it's pressured. But I think that's a bit of a stretch for ED1 speculations.

I'm probobly overthinking this.

@ Bardiche: All arguments are 'cherrypicked'. You 'cherrypick' the flaws to use. Therefor, attempting to discredit an argument against you by claiming that the points were 'cherrypicked' in my view is a flaw in itself. I am not being contradictory there. I'm just probobly not making myself clear.

Also, Bardiche's points about Dormio and CF7's meta are reasonable. As I stated in #53, I felt something was a little wrong with the case [Thinking it was the crux of the case being RVS Shens]. However at the same time I thought the case pretty solid and couldn't figure out exactly what it was.

Shy and Shadoweh is ???.  Not too confident about Sky's response in his most recent post either, especially as he had plenty of chances to talk about Shadoweh voting him/intending to do so inbetween that and... Shadoweh's vote. I mean he mentioned it very breifly, but look at the mention:

Dan, do you think Shadowehs misrep of me in her intro post is more or less scummy than Cf7 or Dormio?

Why the sudden appeal to Dan? Dan already stated that he thought that what Shadoweh pointed out as a null read, and thus didn't really see what Shadoweh pointed out as a misrep.

Which he still had not at that time, or now, for that matter, explained to the rest of us. Almost as if he expected Dan [And everyone else for that matter] to know exactly what was irking him about Shadoweh's points.

Rawr and NNR suck. PX sucks more. All for pretty much the same reasons.

Anyway, right now my vote is between Dormio [Blame Bard] and Sky. They're both on 2 and I don't really know which is worse, because Sky's my gut telling me something's wrong plus my trademark *~conspiracy~* theory, and Dormio's basically *what Bardiche said*.

I think I know which people are more likly to take seriously.

##Unvote
##Vote: Dormio


Now excuse me it's half 6 am and the birds have shut up so I'm going to take a nap to catch up on the sleep I lost.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: PX on April 13, 2014, 05:39:02 AM
I agree with Bard's sentiments on Dormio's case, However, Dormio's efforts don't seem scum oriented to me. However

##Unvote
##Vote: NNR


His post seems like it comes from a scum attitude, since he basically both pushes and defends someone, and just goes into a wait and see position by sheeping a case and providing nothing towards it. He's basically doing the flip-flopping shit himself, except that for now he's set so that he can go either way.

And the Raitaki case is... ???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on April 13, 2014, 06:14:21 AM
Why the sudden appeal to Dan? Dan already stated that he thought that what Shadoweh pointed out as a null read, and thus didn't really see what Shadoweh pointed out as a misrep.

Which he still had not at that time, or now, for that matter, explained to the rest of us. Almost as if he expected Dan [And everyone else for that matter] to know exactly what was irking him about Shadoweh's points.
Seeing as you consider him a suspect, I assume that means you think this is scummy. But can you explain to me why Sky expecting Dan to know what irked Sky about my points is scummy? That's just a really weird thing to push.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 13, 2014, 09:42:37 AM
For example he claims that he was not defending Raitaki, nor was he complaining about the random voting stage.
Instead, he was simply bringing to light the fact that Raitaki was being voted and that the random voting stage didn't seem to show any sign of stopping.
Yeah, right. What a load of bullshit.
The wording "people semi-seriously voting for him because of his RVS joke vote" is defensive in and of itself as it states that you believe that the votes for Raitaki are unjustified.
Actually, i honestly do believe that pile of votes on Raitaki is unjustified.
Zak. RVS vote, then he justifies keeping his RVS vote on Raitaki, because of Raitaki's jump on me.
Serela. Well what can i say here... Again RVS vote. And he's just keeping his vote on Raitaki because he simply can, by being confirmed town. Oh, well.
Sky. Simply votes him for his Serela vote and being "oversensitive" about his miller claim.
And finally Rawr. Pretty much same justification as Sky.
Are those votes justified from your point of view? Because i can't just justify any of them. Claiming miller is not a fun thing to do. I dunno about others, i would be oversensitive too about my miller claim in any case (i.e. if i am actually a miller claiming miller, or scum gambitting on claiming miller). But i'm leaning on believing the miller claim, because it's a role madness game and as a result miller is quite possible in the setup.
And then there was absolutely no point in bringing attention to the random voting stage when less than 12 hours had passed by that point.
With an unreasonable complaint like that, as I said before, it looks to me like you're only trying to make it look as though you want the random voting stage to end whilst not actually caring either way.
It wasn't a complaint. Not every post must be serious. You know, sometimes a banana is just a banana.
And then we have
Why did you give the bullshit excuse of needing more player interactions when the only interactions that you needed were me interacting with myself?
This whole thing. Here how it went in my head.
"Self-voting is not really town. Let's try to vote Dormio and see what happens." I didn't need your interactions with yourself i needed your interactions with other players. Including myself. I guess, i got what i wanted, not sure if it was worth this fallout tho.
And also, why do you feel the need to try to discredit me by calling my case trivial?
Like, actually, the last sentence where CF7 states "P.S. I am genuinely amazed at how people here can make cases on me over trivial things." is pretty scummy by itself.
You made your response, so what need is there for the further attempt at discrediting me?
Why employ an underhanded appeal to emotion?
Is it because you're scum, and know that I'm town as a result, and can't find a way to make a proper case on me without resorting to something like that?
I wasn't trying to make a case on you. As i wrote above, i wanted a reaction out of you and reaction i got. It's a bit defensive, but doesn't really paint you as a scum.
That being said.
##Unvote

Also, that being said, Shadoweh, can you explain your sudden interest in elements, because no-one else said anything about them, before you brought it up. Still, something tells me, there's a reason for this, and i'm kind of suspecting what it is, but i'll leave it for now.

I'd like to hear what Serela and Sky_P has to say, but i'm not sure if that's possible in the near future.
And for the reasons i stated above i kind of suspect people who are keeping their votes on Raitaki wagon. Serela not included. =)

##Vote Sky_P
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on April 13, 2014, 10:03:22 AM
I'm not 'talking about colors', I'm explicitly asking a question for role-related reasons.
Ask a stupid question, get an obvious answer.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 13, 2014, 10:10:35 AM
Quote from: Raitaki
Zakeri what do you mean outwording CF7? Is it scummy to bring semantics into scumhunting or something?

in 54 and 56, you start out by pulling up three lines, two showing CF7 says Dormio is null, and one saying Dormio is doing something he thought was suspicious, and when CF7 decides that yes he thinks Dormio is suspicious enough to pursue you're treating it like a huge contradiction, even going as far as calling it "Rapidly Changing" when almost nothing happened. It read to my like instead of asking for his reasoning, you were just asking leading questions in the hopes of making him dig his own grave.

I feel like if you were town pursuing the same line of thought, you would have been more forward with the vote, putting it in 54 and then asking the question after it. Instead you asked for more words first so that in 56 you could twist them into coming from a scummy perspective.

also for those who want to follow along, my RVS reasoning for voting Taki was because he voted Serela; It has nothing to do with miller claim.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 13, 2014, 02:01:44 PM
It is Tokyo check in time and I am completely drink on an iPhone! I yeah it's mafia time

Autocorrect u hate you leave my typos in peace. A way. True quote for today "bananas are cool people" and I don't want fish for breakfast. Begin.

Shadoweh this is a shit post.

"If I pretend not to have seen my role pm and don't confirm can I lurk out the rest of the day?"

Meaningless.

"Dormio being really tryhard is a scumtell no joke, but as his post is the best thing today so far I don't feel like voting him for it."

If its a scum tell vote for him geese so passive aggressive. He wrote a wall of beg the question it's shit but bad logic is not a scum tell. Ineffective. You just said "I think nobody has contributed anything of merit except Dormio but he is scum." but no vote. Therefore what you are really saying is "nobody has said anything" which is just weak, at the very least you can have an opinion on either Dirmio/CF7 "I agree/disagree" or raitakia pile'o votes. You pretend to do something but you did nothing.

"Sky, its Raitaki and Raikaria, please stop merging them, that would be something awful."

The exact post before this is when I said I had just realized they were different people. Which you couldn't have know since you are not me, so I must presume you were cut by me or something. But if you were cut by me then you would have seen me realizing my mistake. Ergo you just passive aggressive hey let's suppress somebody's argument by discrediting them. If you genuinely find something scummy or wrong then call it scummy and say why then vote. Don't misrepresent stuff.  You should be Bette than this.

" Raitaki is the only person I would consider faking a Miller, but the pile-on of votes on him seems overblown to me."

Rai has votes for a few reasons.
1 he voted Serela. Weakest reason IMO.
2 he challenged me for doubting his miller claim or something and made a big deal out of it which I thought was unnecessary so I voted him for being too sensitive over a claim.
3 I think something to do with cf7 but I can't remember z

So some votes are justified. You specifically pick my vote as scummy but don't say why and ignore everybody else. Why?

" I haven't been reading CF7 (or anyone really) closely enough yet to say if he's super scum 5000 like last time. "

Ok but you read Dirmio and Dormio is 80% of that case but you dont have an opinion? Bullshit.

"I think Sky's vote right there is scummy though, Raitaki doesn't seem to be overreacting to prods on his miller claim at all to me."

I voted because he singled me out for a random question early in the game because I apparently didn't beleive his miller claim. I didn't even mention his claim but he felt threatened enough to act on it. And you felt threatened enough to reinforce it. Why?

Slash Dan vote

"Stop powerlurking. If you've actually posted game-related content in the last 24 hours be sure to disagree with me. It might make your posts longer then an unreadable one-liner. If only I could make a wall case on Dan to match Dormio's beauty, sadly that would require something to post about."

Bullshit. If you think I am scum you should have voted for me here.  VotIng for Dan to stop him "powerlifting" is the epitome of faking town effort.

##vote Shadoweh for useless shit posting pretending to be doing something and acting with a scum agenda.

Also buddying Dormio geese.

Bard: I think Dormio is more likely scum than Cf7. 

??: I asked Dans opinion because he was 100% on scum picks last game. If he has an opinion I am therefore interested.

I am really drink so I'd I missed a question or point please hit me up with it after the hahngover
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 13, 2014, 02:05:26 PM
I mean I literally can't see any reason for Shadowehs vote on me other than step 1 discredit Sky's vote then step 2 counter vote Sky for voting her scumbuddy step 3 profit
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 13, 2014, 02:08:29 PM
Also adhadiwe you even say "Raitaka issomeone who would fake a miller claim" so why what is your ACTUAL problem with. My vote?
You are actually agreeing that Raitaka is suspicious. Agreeing. With. Me.


So

Why


That awful no valid reason vote from somebody who should be better?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 13, 2014, 02:15:54 PM
Anyway

I am at Disneyland tomorrow so I can't really post for another twenty hours or so.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 13, 2014, 02:35:43 PM
Also cf7/ vote on me is also really awful bit this drink I just csnt
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 13, 2014, 02:43:19 PM
I mean I got told off by. Y wife earlier.
I was in the grocery store buying spoons and I noticed the shop lady had this really sweet hat. And the other counter was empty except for the clerk and he also had this sweet hat. And I commented it to my wife and she said yeah they have the same hat. BUT THEY WERE DIFFERENT. So I asked the store lady (in Japanese) if her hat was the same as the other guys hat and she jus ignored me. Wow it was so rude. The. Afterwards my wife hit me with the grocery bag and was all "why did you ask that? It was so rude!" man I just wanted to buy one of those hats. They were steamboat willy kind of awesome. I thought I would be like Zun with that hat. Walking through Shinjuku in an awesome hat and a Hawaii shirt, drunk as a skunk and still chugging Kirin. I mean isn't that the dream? I could run into him and be like ZUN BARD STOLE MY SUB WHAT DO I DO and then bam touhou sixteen bard is the fourth stage boss using submarine type spell cards yet still looking like Josef Stalin in a fetching red dress and heels. Because Touhou.

Instead I get a bruise in the arm from a tin of fucking peach yoghurt and an angry wife, no hat, and two bullshit votes. Man. Zun better be at Disneyland or this whole trip was wasted.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 13, 2014, 03:30:23 PM
Actually, i honestly do believe that pile of votes on Raitaki is unjustified.
Zak. RVS vote, then he justifies keeping his RVS vote on Raitaki, because of Raitaki's jump on me.
Serela. Well what can i say here... Again RVS vote. And he's just keeping his vote on Raitaki because he simply can, by being confirmed town. Oh, well.
Sky. Simply votes him for his Serela vote and being "oversensitive" about his miller claim.
And finally Rawr. Pretty much same justification as Sky.
Are those votes justified from your point of view? Because i can't just justify any of them. Claiming miller is not a fun thing to do. I dunno about others, i would be oversensitive too about my miller claim in any case (i.e. if i am actually a miller claiming miller, or scum gambitting on claiming miller). But i'm leaning on believing the miller claim, because it's a role madness game and as a result miller is quite possible in the setup.It wasn't a complaint. Not every post must be serious. You know, sometimes a banana is just a banana. This whole thing. Here how it went in my head.

This sums up pretty much my views on the Raitaki case.

As for Shadoweh's colors, I'm half expecting a Captain-Planet-style role... <_<

I mean I got told off by. Y wife earlier.
I was in the grocery store buying spoons and I noticed the shop lady had this really sweet hat. And the other counter was empty except for the clerk and he also had this sweet hat. And I commented it to my wife and she said yeah they have the same hat. BUT THEY WERE DIFFERENT. So I asked the store lady (in Japanese) if her hat was the same as the other guys hat and she jus ignored me. Wow it was so rude. The. Afterwards my wife hit me with the grocery bag and was all "why did you ask that? It was so rude!" man I just wanted to buy one of those hats. They were steamboat willy kind of awesome. I thought I would be like Zun with that hat. Walking through Shinjuku in an awesome hat and a Hawaii shirt, drunk as a skunk and still chugging Kirin. I mean isn't that the dream? I could run into him and be like ZUN BARD STOLE MY SUB WHAT DO I DO and then bam touhou sixteen bard is the fourth stage boss using submarine type spell cards yet still looking like Josef Stalin in a fetching red dress and heels. Because Touhou.

Instead I get a bruise in the arm from a tin of fucking peach yoghurt and an angry wife, no hat, and two bullshit votes. Man. Zun better be at Disneyland or this whole trip was wasted.

How is this post relevant to anything except a big AtE? If you want me to go with my ~*Conspiracy Theory*~ instead of what Bardiche says which I think is more solid, you're going the right way about it.

Also there is no Raitaka. It is Raitaki. Raitaka seems like some fusion of us.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 13, 2014, 03:36:38 PM
ONE OF YOU IS RAI WITH A T.  ONE OF YOU IS RAI WITH A K. I DO NOT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHATEVER RANDOM COMBINATION OF LETTERS YOU APPEND AFTERWARDS.

So you are Raik and he is Rait. Are we good? Good.

It is not ate. I am drunk and rambling. I had fun and wanted to share. And maybe I crumbed something who knows.

I mean if it was ate I mean there is no case what are you smoking gimme some
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Schezo on April 13, 2014, 05:31:25 PM
Retti 4: Round 3

Raitaki (3): Zakeri, Serela, Dr Rawr
Dormio (2):  Bardiche, Raikaria
Sky Paladin (2): Shadoweh, CF7
CF7 (4): Action Dan, Dormio, Raitaki, NNR
NNR (1): PX
Shadoweh (1): Sky Paladin

Not Voting:  Nobody

With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are ~28 and a half hours left in the day.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 13, 2014, 06:41:43 PM
Hm... Nothing much is happening.
Because of personal reasons i'll be away from my pc for the next 15 hours or so. Will be around the deadline in any case.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on April 13, 2014, 07:14:25 PM
As for Shadoweh's colors, I'm half expecting a Captain-Planet-style role... <_<
What is wrong with you people? The only thing I want to know is if Bardiche is Tall, Dark and Handsome. Don't tell me about your other shitty colors.
I'm not reading that drunkposting until I get home. I'm p sure it will make me laugh though!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 13, 2014, 07:30:38 PM
But I thought you wanted to know about me shadowmeh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 13, 2014, 07:33:27 PM
What is wrong with you people? The only thing I want to know is if Bardiche is Tall, Dark and Handsome. Don't tell me about your other shitty colors.
I'm not reading that drunkposting until I get home. I'm p sure it will make me laugh though!

I'm Raikaria.

That should tell you enough about what is wrong with me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2014, 08:39:01 PM
So I was going to read and post last night but I ended up watching anime and playing video games until 1AM, went to sleep, and now I have early classes today.
I'll read and post whenever I get back from uni so see you all then.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 13, 2014, 08:44:30 PM
So I kinda want to shoot one of nnr, raitaki, or raikaria.   O hey did I mention that I am a compulsive day 1 dayvig? Well now you know. 

Outside shot at Dormio I suppose but otherwise those 3 are my choices.  Currently my sights are upon nnr
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 13, 2014, 08:51:42 PM
I'm giving you guys  about 12 hours before Unloading to basically claim or die.  I will be working on a p set all night also so I'll won't be able to check in constantly
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2014, 09:07:08 PM
All you need to know about my role is that I am overpowered as fuck and I will be claiming sometime today when I feel like it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2014, 09:08:02 PM
As in, you'll see what my role does when I use it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Chaore on April 13, 2014, 09:09:27 PM
CF7 will be on a V/LA for the next 13 hours, there are about 25 hours left in the day.

Fighto, Fighto~
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 13, 2014, 09:16:20 PM
Well that's promising.  Would you rather use it after or before I shoot someone in the face?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2014, 09:17:44 PM
That depends on whether or not you shooting someone in the face resets the votes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 13, 2014, 09:26:15 PM
I'm asking but I'd assume that it does
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 13, 2014, 09:28:10 PM
##unvote

##vote nnr
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2014, 09:30:42 PM
If it does, I'd most definitely want to use my ability after yours.
Preferably with a bit of time in between your usage and my usage.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 13, 2014, 10:05:21 PM
So I kinda want to shoot one of nnr, raitaki, or raikaria.   O hey did I mention that I am a compulsive day 1 dayvig? Well now you know. 

Any particular reason why I am a target? You've not really spoken about me yet.

I don't want to claim in full to reduce the information available to the scum, but likewise I see no harm in giving some information about my role so I will say this: I have no abilities which I can activate or control at this current point, and I am town.

Also out of those three you have listed, I would personally shoot Raitaki right now. NNR is he's still useless towards the end of the deadline.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 13, 2014, 10:06:48 PM
I don't want to claim in full to reduce the information available to the scum, but likewise I see no harm in giving some information about my role so I will say this: I have no abilities which I can activate or control at this current point, and I am town.

Also not a 'Nilla. I do *have* an ability or effect.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raitaki on April 13, 2014, 11:24:50 PM
Also out of those three you have listed, I would personally shoot Raitaki right now. NNR is he's still useless towards the end of the deadline.
Wait what? What made you go from "I'm not seeing the case on Raitaki" to "you should shoot Raitaki"?

About Dan's dayvig, don't wanna full claim yet, still a bunch of hours on his deadline so I'll hold on to my role information for a few hours and see if he changes his mind.

CF7's recent post didn't incriminate him further, but it doesn't make him look any better, either. A lack of scumread aside from "I don't agree with these people's votes" is also not helping. Also CF7, you said Sky and rawr had similiar reasons for voting me, then later voted Sky and said you wanted to see more from him because of his vote, but why did you not also include rawr in the list of people you want to hear from?

@Zak's reply: I interpreted the first and second line I quoted as saying "self-voting is null" and the second as "Dormio self-voting is suspicious". The order was null -> suspicious -> null with Dormio pressuring/saying something in between, so it felt to me like he was twisting his view on self-voting on the fly for the sake of answering to Dormio and I felt this scummy. Though I didn't order the quotes by chronological order and linked the second one to the wrong post, so maybe that's how you misunderstood my point. Then the next post he flopped AGAIN, calling it anti-town this time, so I voted him for it.

Sky_Pal's #112: Disagree with most of this post. The post also reeks of everything Shadoweh did sucks I just want to lynch her, but it also might have been a genuine drunk post or something, not sure if I should take it seriously.

Dormio: Gee Dormio that's 3 times in a row you've dodged making a content post so far. Feel like doing anything yet?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2014, 11:34:38 PM
Quote
Anyway, right now my vote is between Dormio [Blame Bard] and Sky. They're both on 2 and I don't really know which is worse, because Sky's my gut telling me something's wrong plus my trademark *~conspiracy~* theory, and Dormio's basically *what Bardiche said*.

I think I know which people are more likly to take seriously.

Bard is not pleased. Blatant admission that you're just voting whatever people take more seriously isn't admission of pro-Town behaviour. Vote scum, not what people want to see. I also don't like the "mea culpa" defence after calling out PX and Zakeri on sitting on their RVS vote. The distinction between "wagon is at L-2" and "wagon isn't at L-2" isn't important as far as I care: sticking to an RVS vote when there's serious content on the table is bad regardless of wagon position. Only after the flip does it become worse (or better). Wouldn't say Raikaria is Scum over Dormio, but I consider his actions to be less Pro-Town behaviour and more keeping up with appearances.

Sky_Paladin is doing weird stuff here:
Quote
You just said "I think nobody has contributed anything of merit except Dormio but he is scum." but no vote.
where he's twisting around what Shadoweh says to make it seem darker than it really is. Dormio's post being best post does not exclude the other posts from having contributed anything of merit, and this is a malicious sort of misrepresentation where Shadoweh's words are used to paint a darker light (take that shadoweh) of her.

The complaint later on ("So some votes are justified. You specifically pick my vote as scummy but don't say why and ignore everybody else. Why?") about Shadoweh picking his vote out of many seems a scummy defence to me: "Why don't you look at others?" instead of defending the legitimacy of your vote is suspicious to me. A Townie would sooner be able to legitimise his vote than throw up a smokescreen and ask people to look elsewhere instead. The shit-posting "I am drunk lolol" is bullshit. Have some consideration for the rest of the game and don't post garbage. Thanks.

Zakeri should actually come forward and explain his vote.

Dan posting evidence there is no God.

And Dormio's suddenly relying on rolespec after that entire rage-debate in his post-game about how he hates that kind of behaviour, where gaming the setup beats actually scumhunting. If he hates it so much I doubt he'd want to rely on that instead of legitimately trying to defend himself, and his various promises of more content don't exactly impress me much. Would still want to see lynched.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2014, 11:45:19 PM
@Bard: lol. Let me respond once I get out of class.
Also, content will come once I get home.
I don't really give a fuck about deadline approaching because the deadline is not actually coming in 24 hours. More on that later.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on April 13, 2014, 11:47:45 PM
The only "lol" in this game is Schezo using art from a reknown yaoi artist in his profile.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 13, 2014, 11:49:19 PM
You shouldn't judge people based on their preferences!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Schezo on April 13, 2014, 11:51:05 PM
The only "lol" in this game is Schezo using art from a reknown yaoi artist in his profile.
Shhhhhhhh

Woah~ Lewd, Lewd~

plz...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 13, 2014, 11:58:31 PM
Shhhhhhhh

Woah~ Lewd, Lewd~

Sniff sniff.  What's that smell?  Fresh meat?

Also votes reset confirmed
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 12:25:11 AM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/128.png)   Yomi-chan! Yomi-chan! Are you going to do it now?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   Yomi-chan... Are you referring to me?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/128.png)   Of course I am! Who else would be Yomi-chan?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   For the love of...
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   First. I'll tell you when I'm ready, and I'm not ready yet.
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   Second. Shut up and go die. Why did I have to be paired up with you of all people?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/128.png)   Do you have to be so mean to me all the time?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   Yes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 12:25:48 AM
Also votes reset confirmed
Alright, then I definitely don't want to use my ability before yours goes off.

And Dormio's suddenly relying on rolespec after that entire rage-debate in his post-game about how he hates that kind of behaviour, where gaming the setup beats actually scumhunting. If he hates it so much I doubt he'd want to rely on that instead of legitimately trying to defend himself, and his various promises of more content don't exactly impress me much. Would still want to see lynched.
I'm not playing mafia here.
I'm playing "find the scum".
I don't need to worry about convincing people in my reads since I can decide the lynch by myself every day if I want.
This includes *YLO situations.
I don't really care about claiming either since all of my actions have to be done publicly.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 12:30:13 AM
Whilst I may not have the time to read anything in any real depth, my current thoughts go something like this:
CF7: Still feel like lynching him.
NekoNekoRex: Didn't really like the post he made all that much. Reserving judgement for when he has more posts.
Raikaria: Don't like him either.

People I want to reread include Sky Paladin, Zakeri and Raitaki.
But that can wait for when I get home.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on April 14, 2014, 02:00:21 AM
That's an interesting thought.
A compulsive dayvig and an unviggable IC.
It wouldn't be out of the question for it to be a scumkill. Not that I think Dan is scum yet, he sounds p town so far honestly.

Dan why don't you want to shoot Sky Paladin for me? I still haven't read his posts (I'm playing Yugioh!) and I'm not sure if I ever will because he's scum?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Serela on April 14, 2014, 02:14:50 AM
Why does it feel like a lot of people are only playing somewhat more than I am? :V I can't read people from role shenanigans and it's only halfway through d1! I'm also really tired. I'd say I'll post in the morning, but I have a really early shift so that's not going to happen in any kind of significant scale. I guess I'll reread things and make a better post within an hour or so (Just got home, so tired)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 02:20:44 AM
The only role shenanigans that are relevant are that Dan is a dayvig, I can extend the deadline, and that I am unlynchable barring a quicklynch while I'm not on.
More importantly, there are people of interest that you should be reading Selery.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Schezo on April 14, 2014, 02:21:52 AM
Cut from getting the top of the page: Round 4

Raitaki (3): Zakeri, Serela, Dr Rawr
Dormio (2):  Bardiche, Raikaria
Sky Paladin (2): Shadoweh, CF7
CF7 (3): Dormio, Raitaki, NNR
NNR (2): PX, Action Dan
Shadoweh (1): Sky Paladin

Not Voting:  Nobody

With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are ~19 and a half hours left in the day.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 14, 2014, 02:24:28 AM
Wait what? What made you go from "I'm not seeing the case on Raitaki" to "you should shoot Raitaki"?

Out of the three Dan listed. One of which is myself. NNR is reserved judgement simply because he's not posted or anything. At least shooting you would verify the miller thing.

Also, Raitaki, he claims he is a Compulsive Day 1 vig. He can't change his mind about shooting.

Speaking of the shot, honestly Dan should shoot sooner rather than later. If he shoots too late in the day we're gonna be in a mad rush to lynch someone as well because of the vote reset.

I am also curious why Sky is not on Dan's shooting list. Especially with Sky somewhat appealing specifically to Dan to back him up here. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086696.html#msg1086696) I wouldn't throw out the possibility of a Dan/Sky scumteam here, except I don't think from Dan's posts that he's too scummy. Sky is leaning scum on my account.

His general reaction to Shadoweh's vote on him also seems somewhat overblown.

I don't think my Dormio vote is warranted anymore either, specially with his claim. So Sky it is.

##Unvote
##Vote: Sky_Paladin
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 14, 2014, 02:25:48 AM
Also Dan, if you really want me to do so, I can divulge more role information than I have, but I would rather not do so. A reminder:

- I do not have an ability which I have any control over at the present time
- I do have an ability [I am not a 'Nilla]
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 14, 2014, 02:51:12 AM
Quote from: raikaria
I don't think my Dormio vote is warranted anymore either, specially with his claim. So Sky it is.
just to clarify this for me but youre unvoting dormio because you think his role could be more town aligned and not really scummy?
Quote from: raikaria
I am also curious why Sky is not on Dan's shooting list. Especially with Sky somewhat appealing specifically to Dan to back him up here. I wouldn't throw out the possibility of a Dan/Sky scumteam here, except I don't think from Dan's posts that he's too scummy. Sky is leaning scum on my account.
i also have to ask even though sky tried to buddy up with dan before the claim what kind of brownie points could he have gotten from him? specifically why would someone try to buddy up with dan?

@dormio, what qualifies as a quick lynch and what do you mean when youre not online?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 02:58:59 AM
Just if I'm lynched while I'm not at the computer because I can stop any and all attempts at lynching me with my power that can be activated at any time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 02:59:45 AM
Anyway, I'm going to be heading home now so that I can get to the more fun things.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 14, 2014, 03:13:37 AM
just to clarify this for me but youre unvoting dormio because you think his role could be more town aligned and not really scummy?

Well I don't buy an 'unlynchable scum'. And besides, my general opinion of Sky is gradually getting worse the more I think about it, while my opinion of Dormio gets a bit better.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 14, 2014, 03:14:05 AM
Also I don't think 'extending the day phase to give town more time to think' is a pro-scum action.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 14, 2014, 03:14:34 AM
Especially with the possibility of Actiondan resetting the votes near the deadline, especially if his shot is scum-aligned [Which I doubt].
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 14, 2014, 03:18:26 AM
@sky paladin
im pretty sure anyone could probably take some of shadowehs posts each game and say theyre scummy and faking town effort but how does this differ from her usual "shit" posts? also were you being serious about dan guessing scum correctly? usually i see him each game list at least half the current player list as potential scum which i guess as people are killed could lead to scum with in that list. so i think saying he finds scum that easy isnt really true


Quote from: cf7
Claiming miller is not a fun thing to do. I dunno about others, i would be oversensitive too about my miller claim in any case (i.e. if i am actually a miller claiming miller, or scum gambitting on claiming miller)
claiming miller isnt hard you just say it and play the game. raitakis reaction is weird because anyone has a right to doubt the miller claim, why not prove town by playing the game and cathcing scum? instead his reaction is to vote skypaladin because he doubted the claim.

##Unvote
##Vote: Skypaladin

tbh i think its just scum flailing around

-cut-
oh i see how it works now

-cut2-
well okay then
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Serela on April 14, 2014, 04:09:14 AM
Quote from: SkyPaladin
Ergo you just passive aggressive hey let's suppress somebody's argument by discrediting them.
Um, Shadoweh's line about merging the Rais could even be so far as to be called a silly joke, I don't know how you're taking it in this kind of manner. :C

...okay, to be honest, most of the time I meant to be relaxing and then rereading mafia instead ended up being TAX SHENANIGANS and WHY IS THE COOKING LIKE THIS OH NO YOU GRABBED THE HOT POT BY THE NOT-SAFE-PART (okay maybe that one was too long for this kind of statement format) so even though I'm trying to reread the game it's already too late >_>; I admit to being legitimately terrible right now.

Honestly though I do want to lynch Raitaki, it's just I don't have the brainpower or time to make a case right now (I should already be in bed due to when work is tomorrow), but I can definitely see where the case on SkyP is coming from and I'm okay with that lynch too.

I think SkyPaladin's flip could be pretty useful informationally even if he's town but I'm too sleepy to be correctly functional so I should probably just shut up and sleep instead of babbling

Although @Dan, I'm much more interested in Raitaki being shot than someone who hasn't really participated, given that lurking isn't the scummiest offense when it's only 48 hours into a game. Also it means I could have both Raitaki -and- SkyP's delicious flips right away <3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 04:15:44 AM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/128.png)   Yomi-chan! How about now?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   ...
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/128.png)   Yomi-chan? Yomi-chan!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   ...
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/128.png)   Are you ignoring me?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   ...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 04:18:26 AM
Anyway, let's see here.
Update on CF7, stuff about Raikaria, and rereads of Sky Palladium, Zakeri, and Raitaki.
Oh, and still waiting to see what NekoNekoRex makes of what's happened so far.
Alright, let's do this.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 14, 2014, 04:24:11 AM
What is wrong with you people? The only thing I want to know is if Bardiche is Tall, Dark and Handsome. Don't tell me about your other shitty colors.

Alas, once again Shadoweh forgoes my heart, even when it matches perfectly.

No response to the role madness except for please shoot Raitaki.

Re: 138 yes, the misunderstanding of the amount of times CF7 switched from null to suspect did amplify the feeling I got from reading the exchange, but even going back and forth twice on it doesn't change the fact that "I don't know if he's scum or not" and "I want to look into his posting further" isn't as huge a leap as you're making it.

It also doesn't shake the feeling I've gotten that town would immediately jump on the contradiction and then investigate. Especially since, uhh ...
actually, I have to ask, how RVS was your vote on Sky Paladin before that? It looks pretty RVS, so I think my reasoning still follows that you had no reason as town to wait for the pounce.

Bard pretty much hits the nail on the head when it comes to why I don't like Sky's push of Shadoweh. It feels like Scum struggling horribly to not fall into the traps of being completely inactive on day one, trying to hammer the square peg that is "Shadoweh's posts" into the Round hole of "Coming from scum."
Also, I'm like 95% certain that I did explain my vote on Raitaki, so you're going to have to narrow down your question.

Cut by Serela being cute.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 14, 2014, 04:26:04 AM
I'm actually super down with the Skytaki double dip, not that people couldn't have already guessed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raitaki on April 14, 2014, 04:49:59 AM
@Zak: Maybe our points of view are different, I think the flip-flopping was scummy because it seemed he changed his opinion just from people asking him about it. And even if it's not such a huge leap, I don't really see how thinking otherwise makes me scum. Also the Sky_Pal vote was to pressure him to see how responds to my question at him, but CF7 flopping again made me decide that he really was just appeasing to pressure so I voted him instead.

Juggling a bunch of homework and stuff right now, so gonna try to reread tomorrow
I don't really wanna die or claim early with this role, and several are apparently interested in telling Dan to shoot me so I guess I'll fullclaim in an hour or two if this keeps on :S
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raitaki on April 14, 2014, 05:49:26 AM
On second thought, I refuse to full claim. I uphold the miller claim, and here's the flavor:
I'm Snow White, not from PAD (something something Dragon Poker something) and treated as Green/Light (yuck). I return guilty results cuz everyone hates me for being different awesome.

Aaand now to pray I don't die horribly one way or another before D2.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 14, 2014, 06:05:18 AM
id vig him for claiming something out of flavor
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 14, 2014, 06:15:20 AM
on another note i guess not seeing as i just read the opening post and pad clones are scum i guess  :colbert:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 14, 2014, 06:17:32 AM
either super lame scum gambit or probably town. ill give raitaki credit and assume hes actually miller and w/e else he is. not interested in lynching him at this point
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raitaki on April 14, 2014, 06:51:03 AM
Oh about that, my role PM says Dragon Poker is so much superior that it's not actually killing the genre so I'm still town. Or something.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 08:02:28 AM
Anyway, firstly, CF7.
Basically I think my thoughts in regards to CF7 right now is that I like my case on him and I don't really see a reason from any of his responses to me to change my mind.
Not entirely sure why he feels the need to fish for Shadoweh's role here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086833.html#msg1086833) either.
Whatever.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 08:02:59 AM
The fact that Raitaki is sticking to the CF7 does make me somewhat apprehensive though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on April 14, 2014, 08:09:14 AM
How to sneakily ask Chaore if Dragon Poker is his new favorite game now..
I would prefer if the entire game did not claim on Day 1 as well.
I'm outright ignoring a bunch of comments about my posts being shit because if I think about them too long I'll probably get very angry at you all! 8D

To be fair we probably shouldn't shoot Sky while he's at Disneyland. I get the feeling that would stop him from posting.
I don't vote people for voting my buddies though. Scumdoweh votes weak people for being easy and weak, and because being on popular wagons is cool. On the other hand Town Shadoweh is charismatic and sexy and all the boys want to get on that wagon with her. To be fair I could have voted Dan as scum, but I don't think as scum I would have stopped. I stopped to read his post and have determined Sky P. hates my posting style still.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on April 14, 2014, 08:09:45 AM
Oh yeah, I officially don't think CF7 is scum, so if he is he's at least doing a better job then last time!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: PX on April 14, 2014, 09:02:17 AM
Finally back home. At 2am uhhhhhhh

Cya tomorrow
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 09:53:55 AM
Might as well talk about Raitaki next while I'm on that note.
I really don't like the way he latched onto my CF7 case.
Like, I dunno, it feels to me like Raitaki was trying to spin what I said in order to bait CF7 into an unwinnable situation.
Zakeri mentioned this and the fact that Raitaki backed off so quickly when called out on it makes me think quite a bit.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
lol PX.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 10:51:22 AM
By the way, since the current deadline is at 8AM for me, I'd like for you guys to refrain from hammering in case I'm a little bit late.
I should be on the computer by 7:30 at the latest.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 14, 2014, 12:12:12 PM
My V/LA bit starts in less than an hour.

Quote
Also the Sky_Pal vote was to pressure him to see how responds to my question at him,

Okay, this somewhat defeats my earlier point which is that town wouldn't have any reason to not jump on CF7 by virtue of being almost kind of a reason. All this really does though is bring you up to reasonable doubt, which doesn't save you in this game on it's own. I still don't see any true town intent in your posts, and nobody else has pointed out any either.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 14, 2014, 01:01:30 PM
I'm back. Reading now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Serela on April 14, 2014, 01:06:25 PM
Just woke up and have to leave in 20 minutes so no time to post etc

I imagine Dan is already fully aware, but he needs to shoot as soon as he gets back to the game. We still have to have everyone show up and vote again after he comes back. (Or Dormioshenanigans but I don't have his role and don't know how it works, nor is he confirmed as town)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 01:08:25 PM
I freeze all votes and the deadline timer.
I can move anyone and everyone's votes however I please.
Dan shooting late might mess up my vote moving, therefore my desire for Dan to shoot before I use my ability.
Anyway, with that, I'll be seeing you guys tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Serela on April 14, 2014, 01:10:14 PM
*after he shoots, and there's like 14 hours left or somethin'

Actually oh wait, deadline is at 6pm est according to day start? Oh wow we only have less than 9 hours left, so yeah, this is more relevant than I thought >>; Also I -might- not be back from work before deadline hits, although theoretically I should get back within an hour of it.

Tomorrow morning? plz don't sleep 9 hours then
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 01:13:31 PM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   ...
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   Venus? Where did you go?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Chaore on April 14, 2014, 01:13:55 PM
Tired enough to not count, but not enough to not vote count!

Raitaki (2): Zakeri, Serela
Dormio (1):  Bardiche
Sky Paladin (4): Shadoweh, CF7, Raikaria, Dr-Rawr
CF7 (3): Dormio, Raitaki, NNR
NNR (2): PX, Action Dan
Shadoweh (1): Sky Paladin

Not Voting:  Nobody

With 13 left Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
There are ~9 hours left in the day.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Schezo on April 14, 2014, 01:15:00 PM
Awwww mannnnnnn
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 14, 2014, 01:46:53 PM
You could have shot/lybched me while I was at Disneyland, it was super sweet and nothing can ruin my mood.

Anyway I'm on an iPhone in a hotel with people talking to me so it's not like I'll be able to scum hunt day 1. Which I told you about before the confirmation phase. You have classes, I have budget/bookings/family stuffs.

I'll check again tomorrow morning highlights are:
I think Rai-thunder types claim is actually bad now. Before I was suspiciois but now he actually claimed not PAD so that's unacceptable.
I think Anybody who voted me after Caf7 is scummy but I can't remember who they were.

Re Rawr: last two games Dan picked the scum team 100% day 1.  So even though I really hate his posting style and general apathy, I'm pretty interested in his opinions.

I am gonna sheep Dans vote on NNR because NNR did literally nothing and Dan is probably gonna shoot Rai-thunder for awful claim and no need to vote. I will check the thread around ten hours from now so if I need to vote shift I can.

NNR, I mean, I am iPhone postin on between running from platform to hotel, like with five to twenty minute intervals. I can post enough to at least get bad votes on me, you can't do the same? I don't beleive it.

##unvote
##vote NNR


Passive aggressive (Shadoweh) always reads scummy to me because attacking the person + not saying anything = scummy. Yes it's her play style, I don't like it. My play style is to rack up votes on day 1 and then be derp town day 2. This always happens except when I die instead. Look forward to it.

Also tomorrow I am going to Akihabara and then Osaka on shinkansen, I'm not back in himeji til April 18; so day 2 will be spotty. 
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 14, 2014, 01:49:22 PM
Oh phase ends before I wake up?
Oh ugh sigh

I guess I'll set an alarm for midnight.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 14, 2014, 02:29:52 PM
Hm... Some reads.
I think that Shadoweh is town. Or at least there's nothing in her posts that makes me thing that she's scum. Mainly it has to do with her question, actually, weird as that.
Dormio is most likely town as well, considering his claim. It still is not proven, but i guess we'll see soon enough. Also it would be uber-hax for scum to has this ability.
I freeze all votes and the deadline timer.
I can move anyone and everyone's votes however I please.
Serela.  :V
Rawr. Actually his initial post about Lucifer and not reading rules kind of ticks me off. Might be lack of attention, or not.
Raikaria. Currenlty null. Considering claim and role speculation he might be some sort of back-up and back-ups could be on either side.
Nothing much to say about Neko or PX, tbh. But could be lurking scum. Neko is kind of weird, since he's currently quite active in the current megatokyo game.
Dan. Compulsive day-vig is weird. Considering d1 interactions and no 100% information, it's basically a gut shot. Town doesn't really benefit from this. Scum team on other hand does.
Raitaki. As i said before i think he's town.
Sky_P. Bunch of incomprehensible drunk posts was amusing. Still i think his second to last post has some good points there.

Hummm. I think i need to stop analyzing setup and role-shens. But with so many setup/flavor claims around i couldn't resist it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 14, 2014, 02:32:30 PM
Meh.  Raitaki being a pain and crumbing Miller cop or something but not stating it explicitly.  Same with raikaria.   I dislike it but shurg.  I still don't like nnrs only post so

## throw bubblie at: nnr
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 14, 2014, 03:25:43 PM
Wait wrong phrasing.

king bubblie: nnr
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 14, 2014, 03:31:20 PM
##king bubblie: nnr
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 14, 2014, 03:45:09 PM
Hmm well

I wanted to wait for a flip before voting but I need to sleep .

##unvote
##vote Raitaka aka thunder Rai
because I don't beleive his claim.

Although if Dormios claim is true then it doesn't really matter where I vote.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Chaore on April 14, 2014, 03:52:48 PM
(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/750.png)Oh come on who actually messes the command up three tim-

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/1218.png)HEY NERDS GUESS WHO JUST GOT HER SWEET ULTIMATE TODAY AND IS READY TO NUKE EVERYTHING TO HELL





(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/750.png)Yo-

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/1218.png)THIS SEXY BEAST.

KIRINU BEAMUUUUUUUUUU~



BANG! NEKONEKOREX has been slain by King Bubblie Ballistics!

NekoNekoRex was EVIL DARKDRAGON VRITA, who is so functionally useless he didn't have any abilities.

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/658.jpg)

He was town though, I guess.

Votecounts have been reset. There are roughly six hours remaining in the game.









(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/1218.png) Wait. Vrita? Really? That's what I'm called in to nuke? Lame. Dan sucks. I'm out, peace.

Vote Count: Vrita Sucks edition

Nobody is voting!

Six hours left, nerds.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 14, 2014, 03:56:15 PM
Well. I Don't feel guilty.   And that's what matters
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 14, 2014, 04:52:51 PM
Well. I Don't feel guilty.   And that's what matters
thats the spirit  :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 14, 2014, 06:35:04 PM
Hummm. Unless people suddenly wake up, there's a very real possibility of no lynch. Also i'm a unsure what to do my vote tbh. I was going to vote for Neko, but Dan murdered him. Raikaria has some really sketchy claim, but as i said it might be back up of some sort if it is true. Then there's Raitaki and his miller claim. But i still think the claim is true as well. I also somewhat trust Shadoweh to be town for personal reasons.
This shit is complicated. And with deadline as close as it is, i just dunno. Like really dunno.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on April 14, 2014, 07:09:21 PM
If Dormio wakes up first he should lynch Dan someone good because we aren't getting one otherwise. <_<

##Vote: Sky Paladin
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Chaore on April 14, 2014, 07:28:28 PM
MOON OMINOUSLY LOOMING votecount

Sky Paladin (1): Shadoweh

Not voting: Everyone else!

2 and a half hours remain.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 14, 2014, 07:30:57 PM
##Vote: Skypaladin
forgot votes were wiped
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Chaore on April 14, 2014, 07:35:28 PM
SERIOUSLY THIS MOON IS A MENACE GET KIRIN BACK IN HERE votecount

Sky Paladin (2): Dr Rawr, Shadoweh.

Not Voting: Everyone else!

2 and a half hours.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raitaki on April 14, 2014, 07:52:11 PM
Damn, I got spared somehow, and Dormio's still not here. Once everyone who can show up we might still not have enough votes :S
##Vote: Sky_Paladin

Could really end up with a NL, here.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 14, 2014, 07:54:33 PM
I want to sleep.. so tired

Just to counter this

##vote raitaki

Wait seriously you wanted to die as you sorted some big fat role. Lol
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Bardiche on April 14, 2014, 07:57:40 PM
##Vote: Dormio, I don't think role excuses lack of scumhunting and playing the role game instead of scumhunting. For all his "I'm playing 'find the scum'", he's not actually been doing that much beyond continuous promises of more content.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Chaore on April 14, 2014, 07:59:14 PM
ALL I DESIRE IS SLEEP votecount

Sky Paladin (3): Dr Rawr, Shadoweh, Raitaki
Raitaki (1): ActionDan
Dormio (1): Bardiche

Not Voting: Everyone else!

2 Hours.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 14, 2014, 08:21:24 PM
I really want to vote PX for lurking actually. But it looks like we're consolidating on Sky_P. Sky_P it is i guess.
##Vote Sky_Paladin
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Chaore on April 14, 2014, 08:24:19 PM
Calling: Schezo votecount

Sky Paladin (4): Dr Rawr, Shadoweh, Raitaki, CF7
Raitaki (1): ActionDan
Dormio (1): Bardiche

Not Voting: Everyone else!

1 and a half Hours.

Lynching requires seven people.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 14, 2014, 08:26:41 PM
Maybe it would be a good idea to stop being a braindead sleep-deprived zombie and read the thread after all.

...Like, Realizing you may have just been shot? :v
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 14, 2014, 08:29:04 PM
I SEE DEAD PEOPLE.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: NekoNekoRex on April 14, 2014, 08:29:56 PM
PMing me about that earlier or something might have been useful, yeah.

Excuse me for expecting people would actually fuckin' read the thread, to be completely and utterly blunt.

Also why are you still posting understanding that. Seriously.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: PX on April 14, 2014, 08:32:08 PM
Uhhhhh, stuck in class? Well I like Bard and haven't read Sky Palladium's drunk posting because fuck that so
##Vote Dormio
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raitaki on April 14, 2014, 08:56:30 PM
What? I said "damn" about the situation in general, especially Dormio being absent, not the not dying part.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Schezo on April 14, 2014, 09:18:58 PM
Dusk approaches

Sky Paladin (4): Dr Rawr, Shadoweh, Raitaki, CF7 L-3
Raitaki (1): ActionDan
Dormio (2): Bardiche, PX

Not Voting: Raikaria, Serela, Zakeri, Sky Paladin, Dormio

42 minutes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: PX on April 14, 2014, 09:28:23 PM
##Unvote
##Vote SP
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Schezo on April 14, 2014, 09:30:42 PM
O boi

Sky Paladin (5): Dr Rawr, Shadoweh, Raitaki, CF7, PX L-2
Raitaki (1): ActionDan
Dormio (1): Bardiche

Not Voting: Raikaria, Serela, Zakeri, Sky Paladin, Dormio

30 minutes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Schezo on April 14, 2014, 09:39:50 PM
20 minutes
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 09:45:41 PM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   Venus? Where did you go, Venus?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/128.png)   I'm right here!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   Huh? Where were you?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/128.png)   I saw something shiny over there! It flew away though...
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   What...
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   Well, whatever. It's time.
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/128.png)   Really? Awesome! Do your thing, Yomi-chan!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   Here goes nothing...
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/140.png)   Change the world!
(http://i.imgur.com/0M8CdnH.jpg)
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/129.png)   Where did we end up this time?
(http://i.imgur.com/WY3fswY.png)
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/129.png)   Yomi-chan! Yomi-chan! What's that black and white thing called?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/141-1.png)   Did we end up in the sticks...?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/129.png)   Hey, Yomi-chan! You look different!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/141-1.png)   What do you me- Huh. You do too.
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/129.png)   I wonder if something happened to us?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/141-1.png)   Don't know, but I'm going to find out. You can go die in the meantime.
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/129.png)   You're still so mean!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 09:46:38 PM
##Vote Sky Paladin
##Change the world

If you want the hashes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 14, 2014, 09:48:17 PM
So now nobody has control over their votes and I can hammer whoever the fuck I want, I'll be reading Sky Palladium who seems to be super popular so be back whenever.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Schezo on April 14, 2014, 09:49:07 PM
Time has been stopped. No one may move their votes but Dormio.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 14, 2014, 11:42:00 PM
There is no case on me.  There is not a single vote with any reason. 

Since its up to Dormio;

I am vanilla town. My scum picks are Shadoweh, And Rai-thunder type.

I thought Dormio was more likely to be scum than Cf7 so this is an interesting pickle.

If I had a vIg shot I would be shooting Shadoweh tonight.  I would also look at at Dr Rawr who has done nothin of merit and just flies. Under the radar.

So yeah, Shadowh . Rai thunder and Raw.

I am also very ??? Over Dan shooting NNR.

Also about cf7:
I also knew NNR was super active in Megatokyo mafia and strangely quiet here. I didn't comment on it because I thought it would count as OC.

Anyway I have been trying hard. I literally have tiny scraPs of time and a second gen iPhone. Yet still post and write more than most of you! So if you do lunch me for apparently no reason at all, why would you do that?
Shouldnt you go for somebody who does nothing or is acually scummy?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 15, 2014, 12:07:36 AM
Also is clear
I am the scum designated mislynch so please ask yourselves
Why you are going along with it.

I mean how can you use My flip to help you discuss on scum motivation? Nobody gaV e a reason for their terrible votes. I am the worst person to lynch and town should be ashamed of this game. Use your brains.  Lynch scum!Shadoweh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on April 15, 2014, 12:11:01 AM
Oh hey, I guess time is stopped but there's no reason we can't post, eh?
I'm p sure other people were voting Sky P as an 'oh god 20 minutes left' measure. Considering what could be his last minute reads is centered around hating me, I still want him lynched, because historically scum who try to lynch me get really caught up in it to the point of suicide. Also he wants to shoot Rawr too, who I think is an upstanding Hitler so far.
lolNeko'sposts
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 15, 2014, 12:28:12 AM
That's great Shadoweh just said she has zero scum picks.

What did you actually do today that was useful for town?

Read the motivation behind her posts geeeeee
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2014, 12:29:16 AM
I'm not really all that big a fan of things like this:
Anyway I have been trying hard. I literally have tiny scraPs of time and a second gen iPhone. Yet still post and write more than most of you! So if you do lunch me for apparently no reason at all, why would you do that?
Shouldnt you go for somebody who does nothing or is acually scummy?
Anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2014, 12:36:56 AM
Eh, a part of me thinks that Sky Palladium is pretty scummy throughout and then the other part of me tells me that I always read Sky Palladium like this.
I think I'll look at other people first.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Chaore on April 15, 2014, 12:38:09 AM
PX-CHAN-SAN-SAMA-KUNU~ I AM HELPINGU~ Votecount

Skyu~ Paladinu~ (6u~): Dru~ Rawru~, Shadowehu~, Raitakiu~, CF7u~, PX-CHAN-SAN-SAMA-KUNU~, Dormiou~ L-1
Raitakiu~ (1u~): ActionDanu~
Dormiou~ (1u~): Bardicheu~

Notu~ Votingu~: Raikariau~, Serelau~, Zakeriu~, Skyu~ Paladinu~

Approximately 21 hours of time stop remain, uguuu~
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2014, 12:40:56 AM
I don't think I'm meant to be on the not voting list.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 15, 2014, 12:45:28 AM
Well you have 20 hours of time stop to go so use it wisely.

I am checking out of the hotel now so see you in Osaka. Or the graveyard.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on April 15, 2014, 01:00:14 AM
I broke in and ObvTown'd like a boss.
I also just noticed Rawr made your hate list after he voted you end of day.
It's great that you're trying to put the entire onus of saving the world on me Day 1 when I wasn't here for most of it. I have a hard time finding 'other' scumpicks when my vision is being clouded by a giant butt, produced by the stinkiest ugliest scumbag in the room. Your reads are low and you're tunneling me bro, you ain't got the skills to dance with me yo!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raitaki on April 15, 2014, 01:29:36 AM
I admit that part of the reason I voted Sky_Pal was to consolidate, but I also noticed this:
I think Anybody who voted me after Caf7 is scummy but I can't remember who they were.
Why? Absolutely zero reason given for calling all of them scum, avoiding having to talk about them by claiming not to remember who they are (the votecount was literally 2 posts up, easily visible while typing up a reply), and excluded CF7 for some reason even though you called CF7's #116 awful. I don't think I've ever seen a group OMGUS like this before. Aside from that there's not much besides his Shadoweh case and his push on me to talk about. The AtE is really piling up though.

CF7's recent posts look better now, I guess right now I'm less willing to lynch him over lurker PX, though I'm gonna continue keeping an eye.

Dan, rawr and PX are nigh unreadable, though I guess the other two are doing better than PX. Though I've noticed that Dan kept his vote on CF7 after both acknowledging Dormio's case is terrible and agreeing with Bard's big post about Dormio, but then didn't CF7 again afterwards. Sure he did say that he didn't think CF7 was actually scum but just didn't have any scumreads to vote yet, but this goes on until he named 3 other people as preferred shot targets. Dan why didn't you vote one of them before announcing your dayvig? or Did you just realize the 3 of us look scummy at the same time and how?

That's...pretty much all my not-null-or-town reads + things worth mentioning right now. This D1 is short enough and has enough mini-posts that I had to check the OP a few times to make sure I didn't miss anyone :I
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: PX on April 15, 2014, 02:35:18 AM
Yeah, I have nothing to say on Sky Palladium. All the cases on him are pretty clear, his AtE and shitposting are pointless, his cases are empty, and... yeah.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 15, 2014, 02:58:56 AM
I am town so

Spend the rest of your time coming up with a backup plan/better choices after I flip

I am now at touhou superstore in Akihabara so best time to die imo
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Serela on April 15, 2014, 03:45:19 AM
I've been strangely busy for the past week and will continue to be for a few more days, and I'm just so tired all the time when I -am- home and don't want to think about anything :C I'm actually debating replacing out despite having the luck to be modconfirmed town -and- unlikely to be killed at night even if scum wanted to.

But I guess it'll get better once I get to those days off work upcoming eventually.

I've been procrastinating for hours hoping Dormio would just lynch someone and end the day but it never happened ;_; And if I just go to bed I'll be prodded by the time I wake.

SkyPal does a lot of things I'd lynch but based on the last few games this is just skypal in general? That doesn't make him townier though >_>; My eyes hurt too much to go further than this. There's a whole lot of people I could point fingers at about having very little to no content that really means anything; almost half the playerlist. Mmn. Vigging NNR was really useless because he had all of, like, one insubstantial post and effectively wasn't part of the game yet, but there's no point complaining about it now.

I'm just going to sleep and worry about everyone who does have content to look at, later. I probably wouldn't get anywhere forcing myself to read it anyway. Lynchflip and nightkill flip will be nice to have as a starting point.


Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 15, 2014, 05:04:52 AM
dormio thoughts on cf7? i cant tell if youre just keeping votes on sky paladin just to be nice or just going with everyone
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 15, 2014, 05:23:58 AM
well thoughts on people who would be good potential lynches
PX - with nnr off'ed he now really doesnt have anything to follow up on and just goes with the popular sky wagon.

Sky paladin - his vote on shadoweh pretty much boils down to an omgus. his case on shadoweh seems to be pretty much calling her out for misrep of him and "faking town effort" which i dont think ive ever seen shadoweh do. his ate post also suck

actiondan because he shot town :V REVENGE!

raitaki - miller with multiple roles does sound fishy and i dont think action dan is totally in the wrong for voting him. but im personally leaning more town at the moment
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 15, 2014, 05:33:12 AM
also i cant really imagine scum having a role where they can stop the day and control all the votes. what if dormio were scum and was about to be lynched for it but he decides NOPE and moves all the votes on to some other townie and ends the day. we pretty much wasted all of  day one and then have to blow through day2 and lynch dormio, 2 nights and 2days gone. so im thinking dormio couldnt possibly be scum and if he is ill eat my sock thats gone stale from sweat.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2014, 05:46:28 AM
also i cant really imagine scum having a role where they can stop the day and control all the votes. what if dormio were scum and was about to be lynched for it but he decides NOPE and moves all the votes on to some other townie and ends the day. we pretty much wasted all of  day one and then have to blow through day2 and lynch dormio, 2 nights and 2days gone.
Actually, I can do it pretty much every day so yeah.
Also, will be back from uni in a few hours.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 15, 2014, 06:20:06 AM
 :colbert: unless dormio is unlynchable scum and dan was our only way of killing you......
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 15, 2014, 06:20:45 AM
well bar quick lynching i guess
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 15, 2014, 06:22:32 AM
I am confused, and I've been sleeping to make up for the messed up sleep schedule that occured from being woken up at 4am and then taking a nap... which lasted until 3pm somehow.

NNR got shot; and Sky Paladin almost got lynched but then because we didn't have enough people to do so Dormio went ZA WORLDO.

I feel somewhat guilty for that since I *was* voting for Sky before the reset.

Although, I really dislike Sky claiming that everyone is voting him for 'no reason at all'. Complete denial that there is any reason that SIX PEOPLE were voting him isn't that cool. They can't all be scum.

I mean, a lot of people think you are over-reacting towards Shadoweh

And some people [Me] find your appeals specifically towards ActionDan suspicious

And then there were the off-topic/drunk posts that made no sense and seemed like you attempting to draw pity. Which is why I accused you of AtE. I mean seriously, what the hell is #117 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086878.html#msg1086878) supposed to come off as other than that when the first thing in the post says 'I got told off' and the post ends with you claiming you got hurt?

That's why people are voting you from my point of veiw. Rather than claiming all reasons for you being voted are baseless, and acting in denial like cornered scum that has given up, how about actually explaining things like 'Why were you specifically asking Actiondan for help refuting Shadoweh's attack on you'? [And, for that matter, Dan explaining why he was not considering shooting Sky when Sky was a major wagon]
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 15, 2014, 06:31:34 AM
Quote
And some people [Me] find your appeals specifically towards ActionDan suspicious
i think i asked this before, but what would sky have gained from buddying up to actiondan before the vig claim. unless youre implying they are scum buddies and he knew about the day vig?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 15, 2014, 07:11:13 AM
I have said that I find a Dan/Sky scum pairing possible, but I somewhat doubt it from Dan's actions [Like he pretty much ignored Sky's requests for help from him].

I just find it really, really strange that Sky appealed specifically to Dan.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: CF7 on April 15, 2014, 08:28:06 AM
Also about cf7:
I also knew NNR was super active in Megatokyo mafia and strangely quiet here. I didn't comment on it because I thought it would count as OC.
Um... I'm not sure what OC means.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 15, 2014, 10:18:54 AM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/141-1.png)   So, have you figured out what our transformations did?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/129.png)   Yeah! I get to boss people around now!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/141-1.png)   (Of all the...)
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/129.png)   See! Watch this!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/129.png)   ##Bardiche, Vote Sky Paladin
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/141-1.png)   What's with the "##"?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/129.png)   I dunno. It's supposed to be important though!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: ActionDan on April 15, 2014, 11:46:18 AM
Sleeping 14 hours is righteous.  Now I feel tired why....

I think it's amusing people are mentioning dormio as scum when he's manipulating votes in our faces lol

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Sky_Paladin on April 15, 2014, 12:18:05 PM
Bah
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Chaore on April 15, 2014, 02:57:05 PM
Time Has Resumed. A Lynch has been reached.

VOTECOUNT THE WORLD


Sky Paladin (7): Dr Rawr, Shadoweh, Raitaki, CF7, PX, Dormio, Bardiche
Raitaki (1): ActionDan
Dormio (0):

Not Voting: Raikaria, Serela, Zakeri, Sky Paladin





After a long day of ballisitic slime attacks, impromptu time freezes, and most importantly, cows, everyone finally agreed on lynching Sky Paladin.

However, as the group descended on Sky Paladin with vicious thoughts in mind, a single rose cut though the crowd and struck itself in the ground!

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/694.png) Sorry, This one's under my protection. I'll be taking her home now.

Valkyrie then swoops in and takes Sky Paladin away.

...well, The Valkyrie taking you is a euphemism for death anyway, I guess? Mission accomplished.

Sky_Paladin, playing FUU, THE DANCER IN THE GRASSES has been lynched taken home.

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/425.jpg)

Fuu was only Light element, and had no abilities on her own, so she was simply vanilla town.

A shame!

Night 1 begins, It will end in 25 hours. Please send your actions to both Schezo and I or through any quicktopics you may have.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Night 1
Post by: Chaore on April 16, 2014, 07:55:33 PM
Okay let's make this short.

You all wake up and find that Dr Rawr's house has been blown clear off the map.

He's dead, jim.

Dr Rawr, Playing DEMOLISHING CREATOR, SHIVA has been killed night 1!

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/1113.jpg)

He had one ability.

Quote
SHIVA BREAK: You may punch someone in the face hard enough to determine if they're town. Don't question me. You're a cop. Once per night.

You all mourn his loss for a while before deciding it's time to move on.

Day 2 has begun!

With 10 left alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Deadline is April 19th, 6 PM. A bit more time than normal.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 16, 2014, 08:10:06 PM
Nooooooooooooo my house ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 17, 2014, 12:42:51 AM
Nooooooooo my cake!
(I was roleblocked last night. >_>)

I also woke up literally now. Considering it was way too early for cop to be outted, either Bardiche is scum again or there's scum in the Rai's. I'm guessing Raitaki is not Miller Cop, and no one felt the need to stop him or Raikaria so.... This isn't as role-heavy as I originally thought so a miller having another role might actually be weird. Rawr was more into Raikariaa though so until i8m awake enough to actually read

##Vote: Raikaria

Not that it matters.. since Dormio could just do all the votes for us again today..
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: ActionDan on April 17, 2014, 12:54:09 AM
so you were roleblocked? I can see a town reblocker doing that, unless scum really had nothing better to do.

##vote: Raitaki

The only one (besides Serela) that I think is town is Bard for a number of reasons.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2014, 12:57:54 AM
I like how Rawr keeps getting nightkilled n1 as the cop. And by that I mean, ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 17, 2014, 01:03:16 AM
Why the hell would a town roleblocker target me Dan?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2014, 01:04:48 AM
Okay, so let's see. There's Zak, Shadoweh, CF7, and the rawrs. Everyone else is either town, role shenanigans I don't want to bother with right now, or otherwise completely unreadable due to lack of existence.

wait I mean the Rais

Time to reread. I guess. :C

Shadoweh I'unno I could understand a town roleblocker going after you
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2014, 01:20:42 AM
#56 really makes me want to vote Raitaki but lol barely-not-RVS so let's keep reading. I'unno I guess he seems fine otherwise. Rawr getting nightkilled makes sense with Raitaki scum? I'll worry about that later when there's more posts to look at and more flips.

I could vote Zak for accidentally saying "I am scum" best scumslip amirite? But yeah otherwise he seems fine.

I think CF7 got a free pass to a lot of content due to Dormio, without having to actually -do- anything to make his big posts. After the V/LA he does a post with a read on everyone... OH WAIT YEAH THAT'S LIKELY WHY THEY KILLED RAWR. I forgot he was soft-confirmed town due to the Lucifer thing ahaha. I would have put stock in that reaction thing, so, yeah. But anyway, the reads of everyone ends up as Roles, Waffles, and "I guess these two people had a nice point or asked a good question so they seem townie" After the vig he's like "Well I wanted to vote NNR, but I can't, so... I dunno guys look at these roles! I dunno." and then votes Sky_P because "I guess that's what we're all doing!", although he wanted to vote the other lurker PX. (which tbh is justified due to avoiding NL but it's still an excuse) Didn't exist during timestop.

So yeah I'd lynch CF7.

##Vote CF7
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2014, 01:22:44 AM
Because my post formation involves hopping back and forth between different parts of the post and not reviewing it afterwords I messed up the end. The "I guess it's justified" was about voting Sky-P, and I didn't meant to imply he was bad for not pushing a PX lynch when he wanted it, I was meaning to imply the only people he talked about wanting to vote himself were people who hadn't really done anything yet. (which is different in d1)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 02:34:05 AM
OK so Rawr died. I guess I'll admit, I didn't see that one coming, but now I think about it maybe I should have. Slightly surprised Bardiche, Dormio and Zakeri are all alive. Usually they're prime N1 targets. Would not shock me if at least one of them is the scums. But laws of probabilty state that is likely anyway so whatever.


Anyway, I pushed for a Sky lynch and he was town. [I wasn't on the wagon because sleep] Where have we heard this sad ballard before? Do you know the next part of the ballard? Raikaria is also town and it was Town v Town. Although I am still curious about the 'appeal to Actiondan'. I guess he just saw ActionDan as a voice of reason or something.

Speaking of ActionDan, surprised the that scums didn't kill a confirmed townie. That said, maybe they predicted a Doctor or something.

Likewise I don't think extending the day phase like Dormio can is a scum action. So I'm gonna throw out 'DormioErgoScum' as well.

This leaves:
Raitaki
Myself [Despite me protesting I'm town, I'm not clear.]
Serela
CF7
PX
Shadoweh
Zakeri
Bardiche


Personally I'd wager that one of Zakeri and Bardiche are scum because both are still alive and *~meta~*, but let's actually try and look for scum that is not a 50/50, shall we?

Worth noting that CF7, Shadoweh, Raitaki and PX were on the wagon that lynched a townie [TM]. I openly admit I would have been on it too. Of that, Shadoweh has literally been voting Sky_Paladin for the entire time she was in the game except a very small timeframe where she voted for Action_Dan [Who is also pretty much confirmed town], addressing very little else, and CF7 was sitting on the Sky wagon for almost as long, but also had his votes elsewhere.

So Shadoweh tunneled on a townie lynch. That said, Shadoweh was also sort of made the wagon. Sort of.

But here's the thing, look at Shadoweh's initial vote for Sky. Here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086688.html#msg1086688)

Aside from the flippant change from ActionDan, this is basically Shadoweh's reason for voting Sky that remains the entire day. She didn't make a case or anything really, and I have a theory why:

Shadoweh was playing Sky_Paladin.

Think about it, what does Sky_Paladin tend to do when people start voting him? Especially for ill-explained reasons? He panics, over-reacts and starts to dig himself into a hole. Which makes more people vote him.

Which is exactly what happened. And led to him being lynched.

Shadoweh, I think you were playing Sky_Paladin and the rest of us like fiddles. I've had enough showdowns with Sky_Paladin over the recent games to know roughly what leads to his lynches, and you seemed to almost bait that behavior from him.

##Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 02:37:26 AM
Also I cannot help but feel you are attempting to pull the same gambit on me now that I have read your most recent post [I was re-reading Day 1 when I made the above]. What exactly is your reason for voting me again, and how does the cop dying have anything to do with me specifically being scum?

After all, I also have a habit of over-reacting to votes on me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 02:38:16 AM
Also hint hint on how to stop getting lynched Day 1 Sky.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 17, 2014, 02:39:48 AM
Personally I'd wager that one of Zakeri and Bardiche are scum because both are still alive and *~meta~*, but let's actually try and look for scum that is not a 50/50, shall we?
This greatly amuses me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 02:42:31 AM
We can resolve a 50/50 later. Also there's the chance I'm completely wrong but Bard and Zakeri do usually get targeted fairly early.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2014, 02:48:58 AM
I think that's an incredibly weak reason to call one of Zak/Bard as scum. "But they weren't nightkilled n1!" Um.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2014, 02:50:29 AM
you're even, like, calling Dan confirmed town who you think should have been nk'd while saying that :V (and imo Rawr was some degree of confirmed town, even if the reasoning for such was incredibly questionable)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 02:51:00 AM
I know it's weak reasoning. It's also semi tongue-in-cheek. Can people stop focusing on the not-100% serious stuff at the start of the post and comment on my theory about Shadoweh being smart?

And I said they might have not killed Dan/Dormio out of fear of Docs.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 17, 2014, 03:06:07 AM
I know it's weak reasoning. It's also semi tongue-in-cheek. Can people stop focusing on the not-100% serious stuff at the start of the post and comment on my theory about Shadoweh being smart?
I'm pretty sure it's wrong at the source. Shadoweh is kind of an idiot.
The idea that I proded Sky Paladin into tunneling me to death as scum is pretty funny though. I don't make plans when I'm scum, I just enjoy the sleepy ride.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2014, 03:07:20 AM
It's a little misreppy, you say Shadoweh never gets other reasonings for voting him but that's not true. She also adds "voting me because he hates my posting style and eventually "tunneling on me" to the reason list, or something like that. I'm too tired to debate how scummy I think Shadoweh's posts themselves are, though, admittedly, but I'd rather lynch CF7 and your case doesn't involve anything past how you thought Shadoweh sat on SkyPal with no added reasoning.

cut by Shadoweh herself!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 03:24:20 AM
But Sky's 'tunneling' of Shadoweh was a direct result of Shadoweh pressing Sky's buttons.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 03:25:27 AM
Also gotta re-read CF7 because CF7 has been really 'meh' for me most of the game.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2014, 03:27:29 AM
I think arguing Sky tunnelled Shadoweh because of mind control is a little silly if you look at Shadoweh's posts in these situations...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 03:30:57 AM
Crazier things have happened. And not 'mind control', just knowing what Sky's buttons are.

I mean, we shouldn't sell Shadoweh short on the 'devliish plans' department.

Now if you excuse m I have some stuff to do then I'll look at CF7 again. That and let other people punch me in the face over my ~*crazy Shadoweh conspiracy theory*~
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Schezo on April 17, 2014, 03:56:03 AM
Nice house.. Oh.

Raikaria (1): Shadoweh
Raitaki (1): Action Dan
CF7 (1): Serela
Shadoweh (1): Raikaria

Not Voting: Raitaki, CF7, PX, Zakeri, Bardiche, Dormio

With 10 left alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
~66 Hours left.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on April 17, 2014, 06:11:28 AM
We can resolve a 50/50 later. Also there's the chance I'm completely wrong but Bard and Zakeri do usually get targeted fairly early.

I don't usually die Night 1.

I don't even know what to of this game.
Also gotta re-read CF7 because CF7 has been really 'meh' for me most of the game.

This is how I feel by and large about the players. PX piques my interest for his sheeping of me on Dormio, then voting Sky_Paladin, and generally those two things being the only stuff he did in the later game. The extreme lurking puts his content at even less than ActionDan, and I feel pressing this venue is worthwhile: a scum powerlurk isn't unheard of, and in the masses of apathy it might otherwise be lost.

##Vote: PX

I'm still not sold on Dormio being a Town-entity, but given evidence of a lynch being hard (and general lack of interest), I'll just say that if Dan shoots someone, I don't mind him shooting Dormio.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 17, 2014, 09:31:50 AM
Serela is adorable when he's being my cheerleader. I approve of your use of your obvtowniness.
Don't feel like CF7 is scum still etc. I'm never averse to lynching PX when he's being lurky (ie being PX)
I thought you'd have said something else by now, but wow you're serious about my mind control beams huh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: CF7 on April 17, 2014, 09:55:20 AM
Hm... Rawr is dead and he is cop. Awesome news. /sarcasm.
Anyway.
After the V/LA he does a post with a read on everyone... OH WAIT YEAH THAT'S LIKELY WHY THEY KILLED RAWR. I forgot he was soft-confirmed town due to the Lucifer thing ahaha.
Hm... Not sure what me giving a list of reads has to do with scum killing Rawr. Oh, you mean that, scum thought, that it was a deliberate soft-self-clear on Rawr part? Well i can understand that... Still weird reason to do that.
And then votes Sky_P because "I guess that's what we're all doing!", although he wanted to vote the other lurker PX. (which tbh is justified due to avoiding NL but it's still an excuse) Didn't exist during timestop.
The "I guess it's justified" was about voting Sky-P, and I didn't meant to imply he was bad for not pushing a PX lynch when he wanted it, I was meaning to imply the only people he talked about wanting to vote himself were people who hadn't really done anything yet. (which is different in d1)
Well i still want to lynch PX, because that level of being barely present in the game is suspicious. Scum could lurk to avoid unnecessary attention and most of the time it's effective, because people usually ignore lurker, unless someone brings attention to them.
On PX. He posts even less than Dan. His posts mainly consist of pretty much just votes with little to no reasoning and fluff.
##Vote PX

On Raikaria's "crazy conspiracy theory".
I just don't see Shadoweh actually doing that. And that is rather weird reason for actually voting her. And looks a little like scum OMGUS to me. My suspicion-o-meter is rising.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 12:09:10 PM
If it was OMGUS why would I deliberately want to draw attention to it and have people comment on it?

More stuff coming later. In the middle of a spring cleaning session.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 12:10:54 PM
Also I like how Shadoweh has completely avoided answering the question of 'why are you actually voting for me?'. Which is not made very clear in the post where she votes me.

You know, other than reaction baiting and hoping I dig a hole for myself like she may have done to Sky.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 17, 2014, 12:21:15 PM
##vote Raitaki
we had two  kills yesterday, why?

Karia, do you have anything besides the nk thingy to help explain the 50/50 between me and bard? I don't understand it.
Shadoweh case is cute and looks sound but I'm not sure its what actually happened.
Even if she claims not to be a planner it could have just been a thing that happened  and she laughed it off.

I will be back home saturday night so I will not be able to do full reads until sunday.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 17, 2014, 12:40:47 PM
I fully admit if I were actually scum I would have laughed my ass off about it.
Weren't you there for Dan claiming a dayvig and shooting NNR, Zak? :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 17, 2014, 12:47:55 PM
I meant why as in why is he still alive.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: CF7 on April 17, 2014, 12:52:56 PM
Also I like how Shadoweh has completely avoided answering the question of 'why are you actually voting for me?'. Which is not made very clear in the post where she votes me.

You know, other than reaction baiting and hoping I dig a hole for myself like she may have done to Sky.
Well. It is somewhat possible. Still i don't believe it enough to switch my vote to her.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 12:55:34 PM
##vote Raitaki
we had two  kills yesterday, why?

Karia, do you have anything besides the nk thingy to help explain the 50/50 between me and bard? I don't understand it.
Shadoweh case is cute and looks sound but I'm not sure its what actually happened.
Even if she claims not to be a planner it could have just been a thing that happened  and she laughed it off.

I will be back home saturday night so I will not be able to do full reads until sunday.

No, it's not a fully serious thing anyway.

Also we had Dan's shot, Dormio's lynch, and the nightkill. I don't see the significance behind this '2nd kill'.

Brb re=reading CF7 like I said I would. Also gonna be taking a look specifically at the people who come across as really 'just there' for me, which includes PX and Raitaki.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 12:58:53 PM
Also why did I list Serela as unclear when Serela is clear?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 01:13:01 PM
Meh.  Raitaki being a pain and crumbing Miller cop or something but not stating it explicitly.  Same with raikaria.   I dislike it but shurg.  I still don't like nnrs only post so

## throw bubblie at: nnr

I re-read and this is literally the only thing that stands out.

Because an actual cop flipped, and a miller cop seems... pretty stupid to be honest, since that would mean two cops. Where did you get the impression Raitaki was crumbing Miller Cop of all things?

Also this:

Scumdoweh votes weak people for being easy and weak, and because being on popular wagons is cool. On the other hand Town Shadoweh is charismatic and sexy and all the boys want to get on that wagon with her. To be fair I could have voted Dan as scum, but I don't think as scum I would have stopped. I stopped to read his post and have determined Sky P. hates my posting style still.

Which is exactly what my case is accusing her of doing.

She literally admits it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 01:13:53 PM
Also Raitaki is still unimpressive and 'meh' even after the re-read. CF7 I actually am getting slight townvibes from.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 01:16:36 PM
Basically my re-read:
Raitaki is still null
I don't agree with CF7 being lynched
I think Shadoweh is even scummier than before.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: CF7 on April 17, 2014, 04:42:02 PM
Hm... I did some reading of my own.
Bard. Hm... After reading his posts he comes off as a rather apathetic townie at times, but townie nevertheless.
Raitaiki. I actually have mixed feelings about him.
He had a great start, until this (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1087141.html#msg1087141) post. It comes off as rather vague. Also i tried to google said something something dragon poker and couldn't find anything relevant. Which is kind of weird. And i'm actually starting to thing that miller claim is not a fake one.

Raikaria. After reading his posts i'm leaning more and more on townie side.
This (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=16682.250;last_msg=1088137#postmodify) post. Hm... That last bolded part is quite an interesting point. Actually i'm almost convinced switching my vote, but i guess i'll ISO Shadoweh's post before doing that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 04:54:27 PM
I click your highlighted link CF7 and it takes me no an edit post screen somehow for that post.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 04:54:50 PM
Also Raitaki specifiying he gets 'guilty results on everyone' is odd...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: ActionDan on April 17, 2014, 06:41:38 PM
so activity from me is going to be even sparser than usual because I have a p-set and a midterm tomorrow + after I immediately take a train to philly for a chess tournament
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: CF7 on April 17, 2014, 06:45:46 PM
I click your highlighted link CF7 and it takes me no an edit post screen somehow for that post.
Not sure how i messed up that link, but I meant your #284 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1088135.html#msg1088135).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 1
Post by: Shadoweh on April 17, 2014, 07:07:09 PM
Because an actual cop flipped, and a miller cop seems... pretty stupid to be honest, since that would mean two cops. Where did you get the impression Raitaki was crumbing Miller Cop of all things?

Which is exactly what my case is accusing her of doing.
She literally admits it.
He thought Raitaki was a cop before a cop flipped. Are you trying to paint Dan as scummy for trying to get Raitaki nightkilled? He's also voting Raitaki now so.. I'm just going to guess he doesn't think he's a miller cop anymore.

Your case is accusing me of being the root of all evil, like DA BIBOL. Right now I'm voting you because your case is bullshit. I don't regret throwing Sky P off a cliff for the same reason tbh. :>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 08:05:32 PM
Yes, but what was your original reason Shadoweh? Stop avoiding the question. The fact that you think my case is 'bullshit' does not explain why you voted me in the first place.

In fact using that as your justification for voting me only makes my case stronger.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 08:18:29 PM
To explain better, justify your vote on me as 'your case is bullshit' when you voted me before I made my case strengthens my case, because it suggests that like Sky_Paladin, you were seeking a reaction out of my that would justify your vote.

So now we have you clearly pushing Sky's buttons, you basically admitting that as scum you pick on the easy targets and do exactly what you are doing this game, and now you avoiding my question for justification of your vote on me, while also attempting to 'justify' the vote by using a case I made after you voted me, so cannot possibly be why you voted me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 08:19:49 PM
To explain better, justifying your vote on me as 'your case is bullshit' when you voted me before I made my case strengthens my case, because it suggests that like Sky_Paladin, you were seeking a reaction out of me that would justify your vote.

So now we have you clearly pushing Sky's buttons, you basically admitting that as scum you pick on the easy targets and do exactly what you are doing this game, and now you avoiding my question for justification of your vote on me, while also attempting to 'justify' the vote by using a case I made after you voted me, so cannot possibly be why you voted me.

Fixed. Also I forgot to mention your tunneling on Sky for pretty much your entire time in D1.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 08:44:51 PM
In fact, thinking about it, I'm a nice guy. So I'm going to spell out exactly what you need to clear up that will rip my case apart.

#68 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086664.html#msg1086664) - You vote Actiondan for 'powerlurking'. OK. Fair enough, you got into the game just now.

I'm black as my soul feels every time you decided twitterposting is better then making a good post like that. If you think the case on CF7 is bad, what are you voting him for? An actual question looking for you to sell me on it b/c I'd rather vote Paladin for badreasoning.org

##Unvote
##Vote: Sky Paladin


First major issue here. What is this 'badreasoning.org'? That occurs before #73 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086688.html#msg1086688), of course. Sky_Paladin had hardly done anything so far this game.

Bonus points for the irony in italics.

So yeah, Shadoweh, how about you explain this 'badreasoning.org' that you voted Sky_Paladin for? And why you didn't vote him before voting ActionDan since he didn't even do anything at all between those posts.

I'm not 'talking about colors', I'm explicitly asking a question for role-related reasons. Which Bardiche didn't answer. I assume this means he's still mad at me for turning on him at the last minute. I might make it up to him if he has a black black heart too.

Sky's defense boils down to oh my god, Shadoweh sucks. I look forward to him having enough time to make a terrible case against me and vote him so I can throw him off a cliff.

Oh look here, Shadoweh spells out her intentions in black and white. Sky's 'defense' amounts to a quick check-in post that he's not even finished. Not something I want Shadoweh to explain, but it makes her look bad so I'm including it.

Sky makes his drunken defense and people start voting him/suspecting him.

You really want Sky dead for this still unexplained reason don't you? (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1087058.html#msg1087058)

How to sneakily ask Chaore if Dragon Poker is his new favorite game now..
I would prefer if the entire game did not claim on Day 1 as well.
I'm outright ignoring a bunch of comments about my posts being shit because if I think about them too long I'll probably get very angry at you all! 8D

To be fair we probably shouldn't shoot Sky while he's at Disneyland. I get the feeling that would stop him from posting.
I don't vote people for voting my buddies though. Scumdoweh votes weak people for being easy and weak, and because being on popular wagons is cool. On the other hand Town Shadoweh is charismatic and sexy and all the boys want to get on that wagon with her. To be fair I could have voted Dan as scum, but I don't think as scum I would have stopped. I stopped to read his post and have determined Sky P. hates my posting style still.

Quoted this before, but this is the second time Shadoweh does a major scumslip. Tie that in with what Shadoweh said before.

And then we get to the second thing Shadoweh seriously has to explain:

Nooooooooo my cake!
(I was roleblocked last night. >_>)

I also woke up literally now. Considering it was way too early for cop to be outted, either Bardiche is scum again or there's scum in the Rai's. I'm guessing Raitaki is not Miller Cop, and no one felt the need to stop him or Raikaria so.... This isn't as role-heavy as I originally thought so a miller having another role might actually be weird. Rawr was more into Raikariaa though so until i8m awake enough to actually read

##Vote: Raikaria

Not that it matters.. since Dormio could just do all the votes for us again today..

Why are you voting me here? Don't give me that 'your case is bullshit' bullshit. That's not a valid reason for your initial vote. You have evaded this question not once but twice now, which makes you look really bad. Why am I worse than Bardiche or Raitaki? You've given no reason at all as to why you are voting me. Just like you gave no reason at all as to why you were voting Sky, and outright said you wanted him to make a 'terrible case against me'. Lo and behold, that seems to be what you want to happen again; especially with:

Your case is accusing me of being the root of all evil, like DA BIBOL. Right now I'm voting you because your case is bullshit. I don't regret throwing Sky P off a cliff for the same reason tbh. :>

Your latest post. No, my case is not why you initially voted me. Using that as justification for a vote before my case says you wanted this to happen. And then you say 'I'm happy I lynched Sky for the same thing by the way!'. A third time you are basically being a card carrying villian.

Seriously Shadoweh, you got some explaining to do because right now to me you're so obviously scum it's painful.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 17, 2014, 08:47:06 PM
Tl;dr:

Shadoweh is voting for people she sees as weak with no reasoning [Which by her own admission is what scum Shadoweh does] to get reactions from them [Which she has said twice!], and then laughing as typical MotK town 'pushes them off a cliff' as they overreact and dig themselves into a hole. When questioned about such reasoning she outright avoids the questions.

Except the same trick isn't working twice.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 17, 2014, 11:30:53 PM
Okay back, gonna read up in a mo'

Just for the record, I meant that everyone gets guilty results on me (aka being a miller), not the other way around
Also I never claimed cop
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 17, 2014, 11:46:15 PM
Raikaria I'm sorry but I really can't agree with any of your viewpoints on Shadoweh's posts :C I'm not sure whether or not I'd go as far as to call it misrep or not, it's kind of a grey area where "I guess that's not explicitly something that's not true, but I really just don't agree with the way you see it."

The one thing I agree on is that Shadoweh has basically no reason to vote you (except for maybe the recent "I think your case on me is ridiculous" but that's after-the-fact) and the only reason I didn't point it out earlier (I've been thinking about it!) is because I would rather have seen how long she would go without justifying it, instead of actually going "Give me a reason before I start thinking it may be scummy" (since she was fully aware when she posted the vote that she needed to go back and provide reason later, as stated in the post). I can get away with talking about intentions like this because I'm ~*~confirmed town~*~ so I don't need to BS opinions into previous posts that don't have them in it :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 18, 2014, 12:27:18 AM
Raikaria's case brings up an interesting point. It's sufficiently sound, but I guess the problem I'm having with buying it is "Would Shadoweh have not done this as town?" The effort he's putting into trying to sell this case while not neglecting everything else would have netted him a townread from me, but I'm not completely sure after noticing that he's been needlessly nitpicky on certain things this game (Dan's remark about my being a possible miller cop and Shadoweh's joke about how scum!Shadoweh would play, for example).

That said, it IS true that there has been a significant lack of scumhunting from Shadoweh this game. Aside from the first vote on Sky_Pal and the Dan prod it's pretty much been "look at the person I'm voting. Now back at me. Which one has the bad case?" I don't see her having any scumreads either, except for, again, keeping votes on cases she call bad. Shadoweh, who other than Raikaria do you see as potential, and what do you find scummy about Raikaria aside from his case against you?
Also, it seems weird that a scum roleblocker would target Shadoweh. She didn't really do that much D1, and I'd expect scum to know support for her would vanish once the horribad case against her is gone. Not getting any "this person might be PR!" vibe from her D1 posts either.

CF7: Uh, if the post where I claimed the flavor for the miller part of my role was what you found iffy, and if you can't google anything about it, why do you think my miller claim is legit? :V Also, you realize that the "something something" part was "hey look I'm paraphrasing the mod to not eat lightning bolts", right?
And CF7 buying Raikaria's case after seeing the highlight on Shadoweh's joke post kind of itches me. Don't see how a townie would look at the part which targets either a joke or potential WIFOM and say "hey this case is legit".
...Rereading further, here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1088104.html#msg1088104) he said Raikaria's case was weird, that he didn't buy it and looked scummy, but theen turned around and started believing in it when he saw the quoted joke post as above? Bullshit. And there wasn't much else going on between "Case is weird" and "Case looks good" to really change his mind either.
##Vote CF7

Serela is coasting so frighteningly hard we should vig her
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 18, 2014, 12:50:11 AM
Also Zak, last I heard I was at reasonable doubt for you, so why did you single me out for surviving N1 despite claiming PR? Raikaria also did, and he's alive too. And do you have any scumreads right now?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2014, 01:26:12 AM
I'm not even coasting ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 18, 2014, 02:32:14 AM
Yes, but what was your original reason Shadoweh? Stop avoiding the question. The fact that you think my case is 'bullshit' does not explain why you voted me in the first place.

In fact using that as your justification for voting me only makes my case stronger.
My original reason was because Rawr thought you were scum. I think I said that? Your reaction being OH MY GOD YOU SUCK just helped cement it. You're not really an easy wagon right now, you know, it's strange, it's really strange! How on earth are you avoiding any other votes but mine after yesterday? By the way, a wise rabbit once told me, "Shadoweh, stop making excuses for people voting you. If someone is voting you, who you know are town, it means they're scum, lynch their asses." So I'm just going to keep lynching people who throw themselves at my woodchipper. If you're not scum then you should get the hell off. Did you roleblock me last night, Rai-rai?

Raitaki: I outright claimed to want to know if certain people were DARK for role-purposes. You really read my posts and didn't see that? :V I don't know who else would be scum right now, I still think Dan might be, but there isn't enough information to make huge leaps of intuition.

I'm not reading yet another wallcase picking apart all my posts. I'm not actually trying all that hard this game, what with me actually having hoped it would take longer then Day 1 to replace in, the fact everyone is lurking harder then me despite this, and the fact that with Dormio I literally do not need to vote or do anything to make sure lynches happen?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2014, 02:36:41 AM
I have to admit that I've been conveniently skirting around the fact that it really feels like with most of the players, there's so little worth evaluating... and that it means that the players who -are- doing (or trying to do) things have less to work with. I'd quickly run into a wall where I have very little to point fingers at due to lots of things that normally would be sub-par being justified by the situation.

It's bad enough that I can't help but accept Shadoweh just settling with "well it was because rawr got nightkilled" as a reason to suspect someone, which I kept trying to pretend wasn't sufficient because normally it really wouldn't be.. Although yes, in the post where Shadoweh said that, she implied she was going to give more reasoning later.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Schezo on April 18, 2014, 02:36:54 AM
Don't lose luck lucky dog.

Raikaria (1): Shadoweh
Raitaki (2): Action Dan, Zakeri
CF7 (2): Serela, Raitaki
Shadoweh (1): Raikaria
PX (2): Bardiche, CF7

Not Voting: PX, Dormio

With 10 left alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
~43 Hours left.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2014, 02:38:22 AM
it -is- lol to think "well dormio can just play the game for us can't he" but in the end if we all don't play like we all would normally have to, it just means scum gets to cruise easy and Dormio has crapshoots for lynch decisions, so it really doesn't work
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2014, 02:40:29 AM
Shadoweh would probably be one of my more accepted lynch targets though despite what I'm saying, maybe like CF7 > PX > Shadoweh? PX is nonexistant enough to have a target on him and admittedly Shadoweh might just be a victim of meta that NORMALLY only is in play on d1... (and isn't worth elaborating on; it isn't Shadoweh Meta it's just general meta on gamestate and d1 victim lynches etc)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2014, 02:44:08 AM
not that I have a townread on either Rai, but that's neither here nor there
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 18, 2014, 02:53:56 AM
My original reason was because Rawr thought you were scum.
Firstly, what? This is even a reason? Just to clarify, is this meant to be "I agree with what Rawr said about Raikaria?"
Secondly, where did Rawr even display any sort of suspicion towards Raikaria? Literally the only times rawr mentioned/talked to Raikaria were "you think Dormio's role is town?" and "why do you think Sky Pal is trying to buddy up to Dan?" This doesn't even LOOK like a scumread on Raikaria, I have honestly no idea what you're trying to pull here except pulling a random excuse from thin air to look like you're actually using your vote

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh


By the way, sitting back and letting someone else do all the scumhunting work while you drink lemonade because they can decide lynch is scummy in my book (especially if said person isn't even scumhunting). What if everyone else follows suit and nobody posts anything?

cut: @Serela: Shadoweh said something about "Rawr was more into Raikaria" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1087991.html#msg1087991) D1 when she voted him so she definitely had rawr as the reason even before the flips
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 18, 2014, 02:56:34 AM
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Firstly, what? This is even a reason? Just to clarify, is this meant to be "I agree with what Rawr said about Raikaria?"
Nevermind I said this, rawr didn't even say anything about Raikaria that can be agreed with =_=
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2014, 02:57:58 AM
um that was a d2 post `-`

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By the way, sitting back and letting someone else do all the scumhunting work while you drink lemonade because they can decide lynch is scummy in my book
I'm pretty sure she wasn't saying this as a serious thing, Shadoweh jokes around a lot

Rawr not actually being suspicious of Raikaria might be a thing though, maybe shadoweh actually is scummy and I'm just not looking into things hard enough and my brain doesn't function well with this game of 4 people talking in an echo chamber.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2014, 02:59:08 AM
I don't know, I don't really like any of Raikaria's posts on the previous page.
CF7's posts still don't quench my desire to see him die either.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2014, 02:59:56 AM
like, it's the rais and me and shadoweh and the other people post little blurbs and sit on PX for not existing (not that I can't empathize with these actions, and it's not that far into d2 yet)

Oh hi Dormio our god and hopefully savior
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2014, 03:00:26 AM
Also, after today I should probably have more time instead of spending half my day at uni before spending the other half working on assignments and playing video games.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 18, 2014, 03:00:50 AM
Well. I am dumb.
But still. Most of my point still stands.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2014, 03:07:52 AM
Also, I'm really tempted to just lynch Dan and be done with it.
I mean sure he's got a proven role but I don't really think that means anything so I'm just disregarding it completely.
Also, shooting NNR lol.
I don't feel a need to move it because I'm not sure who to move it to plus I don't think his defenses are a paragon of towness, just that they don't incriminate him.
Instead there's shit like this which I think is super scummy.
I mean it's like why CF7 at this point especially for such a shitty reason but who knows.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2014, 03:08:41 AM
Anyway, back to studying for me I guess.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 03:18:12 AM
If you're not scum then you should get the hell off. Did you roleblock me last night, Rai-rai?

No. I already said that I have no active actions during Day 1. How could I roleblock you if this is the case? My only ability during Day 1 and Night 1 was passive. I had no night action.

Anyway, it seems people don't agree with my reasoning on Shadoweh. Fine, I ain't gonna beat a dead horse anymore. I can see when the wagon ain't moving. As much as I think Shadoweh is scum, I'm not getting anything done attempting to convince people that Shadoweh is scum.

And yeah Shadoweh's reason for voting me is wishy-washy and she still hasn't answered what Sky's 'badreasoning.org' actually was, but again, dead horse.

I'm just gonna vote PX until I can think of a better thing to do than beat a dead horse or vote a lurker. Need to re-read again. Also people other than me actually need to try and come up with cases. Like, any of the semi-confirmed/confirmed townies especially.

##Unvote
##Vote: PX
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2014, 03:19:14 AM
Still not liking your post there, Raikaria.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 18, 2014, 03:20:07 AM
Raikaria what do you think of Shadoweh's "I did it for rawr" reasoning?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 03:20:07 AM
Specific targets or re-reads are Zakeri and Bardiche, both of whom have been pretty absent from D2. [I think one said V/LA? Can't recall which].

Still not liking your post there, Raikaria.

I don't care if you like my post or not Dormio. I don't aim to please.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 03:22:02 AM
Raikaria what do you think of Shadoweh's "I did it for rawr" reasoning?

Bad, and I would go back to Shadoweh in a heartbeat if people decide to actually vote her. But as it stands all I am achieving is repeating myself and not being a productive member of the town. I still think Shadoweh is scum. I just don't think I'm getting her lynched.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2014, 03:23:37 AM
You should aim to please me. ;)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 03:26:09 AM
Raikaria's Objective list:

Primary: Lynch Scum
Secondary: Stay Alive
Tertiary: Create *~Crazy Conspiracy Theories~*

Optional:
Please Dormio
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2014, 03:29:15 AM
Raikaria you know when you say the confirmed townie should make a case on someone we all know you're talking about me! I made a case on CF7 already :C I didn't really see anything scummy about the other people who have talked (Zak/Bard), and I'd said my bits about Shadoweh, both in her defense and against her. Even if I'm being lazy about rereading Rawr to see how much that actually holds up. She should probably justify it herself since it's already been questioned but w/e

Also augh I just looked and Zak's soft-v/la thing lasts until d3 ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 03:31:26 AM
Confirmed and Semi-Confirmed. That's not just you in my eyes, but also ActionDan and Dormio.

And yeah, the annoying thing about this game is the general lack of content. I mean, usually we have this much before D1 ends, not Day 2.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 18, 2014, 03:44:36 AM
Firstly, what? This is even a reason? Just to clarify, is this meant to be "I agree with what Rawr said about Raikaria?"
I agree with the concept that Rawr had a townread on you, was questioning Raikaria and was generally obvytown so the most likely person to kill him is scum!Bard or Raikaria, yes.
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Secondly, where did Rawr even display any sort of suspicion towards Raikaria? Literally the only times rawr mentioned/talked to Raikaria were "you think Dormio's role is town?" and "why do you think Sky Pal is trying to buddy up to Dan?"
You are kind of misrepping That Post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1087081.html#msg1087081) because he is clearly questioning Raikaria in a way that implies suspicion. In fact he followed that up (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1087530.html#msg1087530) by continuing to try to get Raikaria to answer him. The answers will never come. :<
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By the way, sitting back and letting someone else do all the scumhunting work while you drink lemonade because they can decide lynch is scummy in my book (especially if said person isn't even scumhunting). What if everyone else follows suit and nobody posts anything?
Come to think of it, that does explain why Dormio is trying harder to scumhunt. I don't believe I said I was going to leave the game to Dormoe, but you have to admit it's demotivational to realize Squidworth could still be in this slot and my vote could be just as useful.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 03:46:19 AM
Shadoweh, look at my post directly after the 2nd Rawr post you linked.

Rawr says 'unless youre implying they are scum buddies and he knew about the day vig?'. I say 'Yes, I'm saying that's possible'.

That's me answering Rawr, Shadoweh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 03:47:10 AM
Of course now Sky flipped town I don't really think Dan is likly to be scum in any way. And even back in D1 I said 'I don't think Dan is scum by his own merit, but by Sky's appeals to him'.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 18, 2014, 03:49:30 AM
I forget if I said so earlier, but I would be up for a PX lynch, but we've been down this road so many times, so many times before, I just want to lynch a scum, not lurktown evermore.
I'm sorry I forgot that you made a theory about Sky buddying up to his scum buddy so his scum buddy wouldn't vig him, because if you read what I just said the circular reasoning is le terible'.

Why would Sky's flip stop Dan from being scummy? The only reason you considered him scummy in the first place is because Sky was buddying him and you thought Sky was scummy? That's bullshit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2014, 04:04:00 AM
we're lynching px today just because no one agrees with eachother on anyone else being scummy, that's going to be what happens, isn't it
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 04:06:42 AM
Why would Sky's flip stop Dan from being scummy? The only reason you considered him scummy in the first place is because Sky was buddying him and you thought Sky was scummy? That's bullshit.

Pretty much. I was saying 'I think Sky is scummy and Sky seems to be appealing to Dan. But I don't think Dan is scummy. Still, it's possible they could be buddies I guess.'

It wasn't exactly a confident statement of 'If Sky is scum Dan is scum 100%'. It was 'This could suggest that maybe'.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2014, 04:10:39 AM
I dunno, is anyone feeling a Dan or CF7 lynch like I am?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 04:14:45 AM
Not feeling either of them but if I had to consolidate on either of those two I would prefer CF7.

Rather see a PX lynch over those however.

And a Shadoweh lynch over that.

Zakeri is coming off pretty much null to me. Wouldn't lynch Bard.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2014, 04:15:32 AM
You know, I just remembered how much control Dormio has over the lynch. `______________________________`

CF7 lynch would be coolbeans (but I'm already voting him so, obv), I feel like a Dan lynch would be a crapshoot and that roles mildly suggest he's town anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 18, 2014, 04:15:56 AM
I'm also down with a CF7 lynch, but there's still a bunch of time left in the day, and given the lack of posts to stare at I'd rather we not lynch yet.
Dan looks kinda null. He could have shot either of the PR claimers back in D1, but didn't, so there's that. Though it's also possible he avoided shooting us as scum to get towncred.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 18, 2014, 04:17:19 AM
Pretty much. I was saying 'I think Sky is scummy and Sky seems to be appealing to Dan. But I don't think Dan is scummy. Still, it's possible they could be buddies I guess.'
Okay, but why. Like in a grandiose 'we could all be buddies together' way? Because if Sky was scum he would not be appealing to his buddy in the first place, so it was actually really unlikely they were scum together? BTW Why is Dan Semi-Confirmed Town to you, because he dayvigged a townie?

Serela, it's your own role that suggests Dan might be scum. You are specifically unable to be shot by Dan's vig.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 04:22:50 AM
Okay, but why. Like in a grandiose 'we could all be buddies together' way? Because if Sky was scum he would not be appealing to his buddy in the first place, so it was actually really unlikely they were scum together? BTW Why is Dan Semi-Confirmed Town to you, because he dayvigged a townie?

Serela, it's your own role that suggests Dan might be scum. You are specifically unable to be shot by Dan's vig.

Why? Because I'm me and *~crazy conspiracy theory~*. It's in my objective list Shadoweh. And when someone you think is scum is saying 'HELP ME ACTIONDAN' it makes you doubt the person being pleaded to.

I don't think that 'compulsive Day 1 one-shot vigilante' is a scum role. And he shot someone who was being useless. I say semi-confirmed because he is not as confirmed as Dormio, and certainly not as confirmed as Serela, but I am fairly confident due to rolespec.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 04:23:28 AM
Also I haven't seen anything which stands out as a red alert in Dan's posts, at least, nothing that stands out as a red alert to me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2014, 04:24:17 AM
Shadoweh uh? Are you suggesting a scum vig would EVER publically shoot the innocent child? I mean, rofl

And Raitaki, of course we wouldn't lynch right -now-
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 18, 2014, 04:25:38 AM
Alternatively, I could be pretty cool with a Raitaki lynch.
Decisions are hard.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 18, 2014, 04:32:42 AM
For serious though there were three PR softclaims and scum decided to shoot Rawr, the PR's are not likely to be all town. I think Raitiki is getting a whole bunch of unwarranted hate for clamining miller and being one of the few people who could fake it. Dan not shooting a PR is null because
A: NNR never had a chance to claim, so the only reason he didn't shoot one was chance,
B: If he HAD shot one of the blatantly PRing all over the floors, we would be screaming for his lynch.
Speaking of PR's. So Raitiki is a miller and wanted to out, and I don't want to waste my power on inelligble targets. What's your excuse for crumbing, Raikariaria?

Sereley: It's a possibility. What if we were wagoning Dan and he decided to kamikaze on you? You have to admit there's nice synergy there.
Why? Because I'm me and *~crazy conspiracy theory~*. It's in my objective list Shadoweh. And when someone you think is scum is saying 'HELP ME ACTIONDAN' it makes you doubt the person being pleaded to.

I don't think that 'compulsive Day 1 one-shot vigilante' is a scum role. And he shot someone who was being useless. I say semi-confirmed because he is not as confirmed as Dormio, and certainly not as confirmed as Serela, but I am fairly confident due to rolespec.
No, why would it? Scum don't plea to their partners for reads in thread. In what world would Sky Paladin's first action be as scum to ask scum-Dan for reads, which makes people like you apparently think they're buddies? Scum want to convince _______ they're town, so they buddy up to people of the _____ alignment. <-- Fill in the blanks.

We have a Cop and a BP IC functionally flipped so far. Why not have a compulsive dayvig who shoots before scum can roleclawp anyone? Do you think scum dayvigs don't exist?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 04:41:33 AM
What's your excuse for crumbing, Raikariaria?

Well how many passive roles with no night actions can you think of Shadoweh? I'm not a Miller either, else I'd have counter-claimed Raitaki. I'm not hated, the votecounts prove that. That dosen't leave a very large pool.

Sorry but I do not feel like divulging about my role. I would rather the scum do not have more information than they already have.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2014, 04:46:31 AM
um raikaria outed what they did because Dan was like "so I'm shooting one of you, claim or RIP"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2014, 04:48:43 AM
Anyway "but if we're lynching the scum vig then they could totally kill the innocent child" is a really specific situation and if the scum vig were getting lynched d1 I think it'd be fair for them to be able to off the IC anyway >> Really, my bullet-proof-ness doesn't have any bearing on whether Dan's is scum or not, unless you want to go to the degree of "I think this is an alright balance trade in terms of power level" but that's even more unreliable levels of modguessing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: PX on April 18, 2014, 06:04:06 AM
Some of you may be wondering where have I been. Yeah, I don't have to answer that  :dealwithit:

Off the bat, we have a weird vote by Shadoweh, especially since I don't see Rawr ACTUALLY going after Raikaria, and it seems like she's citing him for the vote

Dan continuing off Raitaki is also strange, since... there's really no reason since his vote back in ED1

And then Raikaria's post is all sorts of dumb. There's only one confirmed town, and the mod says he's bulletproof. Why would the scum take a chance on the mod lying?

Raikaria's #276 and #277 irk me the wrong way. Probably the sarcastic and passive aggressive tone.

Raikaria's really big "case" on Shadoweh is just silly. It's a big case of paranoia and shifting everything he sees into a certain point of view. Also, your "scumslips" also fall into the category of... here's your words.

I know it's weak reasoning. It's also semi tongue-in-cheek. Can people stop focusing on the not-100% serious stuff at the start of the post and comment on my theory about Shadoweh being smart?

Raitaki's 300 pretty much brings him to a solid not scum for me

Raikaria's 318 looks like mad appeasing to salvage a losing war

And lots of mess





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tl;dr

Day 2 doesn't really give me much. Just that Raikaria's gone crazy, although I'm reading it more as scum desperation than town paranoia, which entitles me to think Shadoweh is scum despite her starting reasons to vote Raikaria. Raitaki is reading more town to me, and Dan is all sorts of ??? Don't like what he's got, but don't think we should lynch. Everyone else I kind of need to read D1 to get a feel over.

##Vote Raikaria

For shit case on Shadoweh, along with appeasing tone on his 318, attacking Shadoweh's jokes while telling everybody else to ignore his, a strange tone with his 276 and 277, and (http://i.imgur.com/rf41UUr.png)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 06:14:37 AM
Not aware Shadoweh was making any real jokes.

And I don't get half of what you're even saying PX. Shadoweh's vote is weird; yet my case is 'shit' for going after her for said weird vote, in tandem with that vote being 'weird' for pretty much the same reasons as her Sky vote?

And the end of your post just makes me ?

tl;dr

Day 2 doesn't really give me much. Just that Raikaria's gone crazy, although I'm reading it more as scum desperation than town paranoia, which entitles me to think Shadoweh is scumdespite her starting reasons to vote Raikaria.

Seriously, what are you trying to say here? 'Raikaria's gone crazy and is flailing against his scumbuddy while Shadoweh is voting her scumbuddy for no reason'?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 06:18:57 AM
I mean the jist of what I'm getting from that last part is 'Raikaria is scum because I'm voting him. Shadoweh is scum too'. I'm not sure how you can get the impression that we are both scum.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: PX on April 18, 2014, 06:29:52 AM
Alright, I have no idea what I see in Dan. Like, the post where he claims vig is halfway into day 1. Why would you wait that long to suddenly go "lol I'm a vig and I have to shoot." On top of that, his targets are never explained, they're just out of the blue. Why would you even be set on which few people you want to shoot without consolidating with town before then? The last weird part is where he goes "claim or die." If you had 3 people you were choosing from, why would you just tell all 3 of them to claim instead of consolidating on one and asking that person to claim so scum gets less information? Yeah, I don't know

CUT: I meant town, not scum >_>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: PX on April 18, 2014, 06:30:05 AM
Shadoweh be town
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 06:39:26 AM
And what makes Shadoweh town despite her 'strange vote'? Preferably without using 'Raikaria made a case I think is dumb'.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: PX on April 18, 2014, 06:46:19 AM
I like the rest of her posts, simple enough
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 06:49:49 AM
So what do you like about her initial vote on Sky_Paladin for 'badreasoning.org'? Which she never elaborated on.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: PX on April 18, 2014, 07:02:52 AM
bad reasoning. you know, sky palladium voting raitaki for being "oversensitive over his claim" which a LOT of people called out on
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 07:11:53 AM
Well, you know what? At least you're active now.

I don't really see anyone else worth voting, so I'm gonna move back to Shadoweh now my reason for a temporary votepark/prodvote on you has passed, and I've re-ready Zakeri and Bard and... well... Zakeri's kinda null and Bard is not getting lynched.

Which basically only leaves Shadoweh I think as scum. Well, and you for defending Shadoweh and not being confirmed town like Serela, but my thinking you as scum is conditional on Shadoweh being scum, so I'd rather vote Shadoweh.

#Unvote
#Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 07:14:17 AM
Basic read list:

Shadoweh - Scum
PX - Probobly scum
Bard - Town
Raitaki - Null
Zakeri - Null
CF7 - Very slight town lead, and this is gut. He's seemed pretty level-headed despite all the stuff thrown at him which makes my gut think town
Serela - Confirmed Town
Dan - Pretty confident he's town
Dormio - Very confident he is town
Me - Town
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: PX on April 18, 2014, 08:00:33 AM
So basically, whoever is voting you is scum :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 18, 2014, 08:00:45 AM
um raikaria outed what they did because Dan was like "so I'm shooting one of you, claim or RIP"
"I'm a town pr plz don't shoot me qq" Dan hadn't decided on who he was shooting actually, Raikaria just decided he was 'just curious' why he was a target beffore blabbing alot more then he had to. Dan was focused on NNR.

Also: "Well you're active, but you're probably still scum, so I'm going to move back to Shadoweh while still calling both of you scum lololol"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 08:20:52 AM
So basically, whoever is voting you is scum :V

You're scum for defending Shadoweh.

It's co-incidental that the people voting me are scum. By your own admission Shadoweh's initial vote on me is bad.

"I'm a town pr plz don't shoot me qq" Dan hadn't decided on who he was shooting actually, Raikaria just decided he was 'just curious' why he was a target beffore blabbing alot more then he had to. Dan was focused on NNR.

Also: "Well you're active, but you're probably still scum, so I'm going to move back to Shadoweh while still calling both of you scum lololol"


I'm more confident that you are scum than PX. Hence PX was listed 'probobly scum' and you are 'scum'.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 08:24:58 AM
Also the fact you said Shadoweh was scum might have been a slip. 'scum' and 'town' is not exactly something that can be a typo PX.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 18, 2014, 08:26:10 AM
You're scum for defending Shadoweh.
You have seen the games when PX and I are scum together, right?
Like the one where he claimed a guilty on me for no reason?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: PX on April 18, 2014, 08:31:41 AM
You have seen the games when PX and I are scum together, right?
Like the one where he claimed a guilty on me for no reason?

We should do that again sometime! :D
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: ActionDan on April 18, 2014, 09:02:36 AM
Posting after skimming to say broad lynch options are cf7 zak shadoweh raitaki.  Reading px raikaria as town. Also dormios regarding moving my vote I didn't really care cuz I was gonna shoot someone
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Schezo on April 18, 2014, 09:21:22 AM
Falling apart

Raikaria (2): Shadoweh, PX
Raitaki (2): Action Dan, Zakeri
CF7 (1): Serela
Shadoweh (1): Raitaki
PX (3): Bardiche, CF7, Raikaria

Not Voting: Dormio

With 10 left alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
~37 Hours left.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 09:22:17 AM
Well, you know what? At least you're active now.

I don't really see anyone else worth voting, so I'm gonna move back to Shadoweh now my reason for a temporary votepark/prodvote on you has passed, and I've re-ready Zakeri and Bard and... well... Zakeri's kinda null and Bard is not getting lynched.

Which basically only leaves Shadoweh I think as scum. Well, and you for defending Shadoweh and not being confirmed town like Serela, but my thinking you as scum is conditional on Shadoweh being scum, so I'd rather vote Shadoweh.

#Unvote
#Vote: Shadoweh


Falling apart

Raikaria (2): Shadoweh, PX
Raitaki (2): Action Dan, Zakeri
CF7 (1): Serela
Shadoweh (1): Raitaki
PX (3): Bardiche, CF7, Raikaria

Not Voting: Dormio

With 10 left alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
~37 Hours left.

Schezo... you gun goofed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Schezo on April 18, 2014, 09:26:04 AM
Quote
9. All votes must be bolded and preceded with ##. Same with unvotes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 18, 2014, 09:49:41 AM
In reality I dun goofed. I missed a #!

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: CF7 on April 18, 2014, 02:04:17 PM
I am a bit busy with house chores at the moment and will be back in ~3 hours/
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2014, 03:19:35 PM
Quote
You're scum for defending Shadoweh.
Please don't say things like this when you don't have a Shadoweh scumflip, because that's not how chainsaw defense being scummy works.

Honestly I can see this going either way, Shadoweh's votestuff for Raikaria is questionable and only got a legitimate reason after Raikaria starting voting her later with a questionable case of their own. Raikaria, on the other hand, has a mostly crazeballs Shadoweh case, and now these PX shenanigans ontop of that now that PX is back (thank goodness, this will help make it so people can't just sit on PX and do almost nothing)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: CF7 on April 18, 2014, 06:11:24 PM
Um... I'm just so tired. Will be back tomorrow. But i read the thread and has some more thoughts. Just not sure if i can put them into words atm.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 18, 2014, 07:18:19 PM
Popping in to say I work on Friday evenings, so today's post will be a few hours later than normal
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 18, 2014, 11:33:34 PM
I'm glad that everyone that is not Raikaria and me is Very Active and taking part in discussions.
It's nearly been two days.. it might have actually been two days by now and with PX's latest posts he's beating half the thread in activity. I might consider not throwing Raikaria off the island just too lynch some fricking lurkers first.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: PX on April 18, 2014, 11:41:08 PM
I'm sure some of that attributes to the fact that Dormio can just play king maker by himself so why bother
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 18, 2014, 11:45:34 PM
I'm sure some of that attributes to the fact that Dormio can just play king maker by himself so why bother
Because if people don't play at least vaguely as hard as they normally would then the scum can just coast on by and it'll be a crapshoot to find them?

There's probably some kind of limitation on Dormio's role we don't know about, anyway. That or he's third party with shenanigans.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 19, 2014, 12:50:30 AM
Eh.
##Vote Raikaria
Depending on CF7's next post, the lynch might go there.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 19, 2014, 12:54:35 AM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/129.png)   Yomi-chan! Yomi-chan!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/141-1.png)   For crying out... What is it?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/129.png)   Someone said that we might "limitation"!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/129.png)   What does "limitation" mean?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/141-1.png)   You woke me up for this? Just go die.
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/129.png)   But I want to know and you always know everything Yomi-chan!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/141-1.png)   It's something that we don't have.
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/141-1.png)   I'm going back to sleep now, so don't bother me unless you want to die.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 19, 2014, 12:56:47 AM
I'm pretty sure the limitation is Dormio can't do it if he's dead. That's pretty limiting.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 19, 2014, 01:16:49 AM
I don't really have anything to say. I'll claim if I need to do so, probobly at L-2 because L-1 could be quickhammered.

Although I really don't want to claim. You'll see why.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2014, 01:35:01 AM
TBH I don't really think it's Raikaria

Part of s'why I never said anything about it being scummy when refuting his Shadoweh case
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 19, 2014, 02:45:11 AM
@Shadoweh: I don't see how rawr's #154 displays any clear suspicion towards Raikaria. People ask each other to clarify what they mean all the time, and the post's tone was pretty neutral too.

big nice chunk of wifom and rolespec
PX brought good point about D1 Danvig shenanigans

More Raikaria being super nitpicky about certain things. It looks pretty suspicious how he's so hung over PX typoing Shadoweh as scum instead of town and his opinion of Shadoweh's ED2 vote. It's possible he noticed the small slip, went all like "hey I don't need to keep tunneling on just Shadoweh without bothering to reread everyone else! \o/" and added PX to scumread list.

Shadoweh still confirmed for not much opinion about people she's not voting/not voting her

I'd agree to a Raikaria lynch if Shadoweh flips town somehow.

Dormio are you seriously using your lynch control remote as an excuse to just sit there and not scumhunt
What happened to Bard
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on April 19, 2014, 03:31:48 AM
Considering Dan's a "compulsive" dayvig, I'm curious what'd happen if we quicklynched. Would still advocate against it.

Still think PX is the scum. D1 consists of just sheeping cases. D2's opening is pretending D1 doesn't exist and vote isn't explained well at all. Why is it more scum desperation than Town paranoia? Why would scum be desperate considering they haven't lost anyone? Posts after that are Twitter-posts, except unlike Dan, they don't contain anything of value.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2014, 03:40:16 AM
I was under the impression Dan was only a one-shot vig. He didn't say anything about shooting today in his last post and the time is running down, so.

I wouldn't be entirely opposed to a PX lynch but I think his d2 post is okay?  If you want to talk about nothing of value CF7 is pretty good for that category too
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Chaore on April 19, 2014, 03:52:28 AM
Genbu Edition: Now with proper mod color

Raikaria (3): Shadoweh, PX, Dormio
Raitaki (2): Action Dan, Zakeri
CF7 (1): Serela
Shadoweh (2): Raitaki, Raikaria
PX (2): Bardiche, CF7

Not Voting:

With 10 left alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
~18 Hours left.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 19, 2014, 03:57:44 AM
Well, I guess it's about time we start deciding on a lynch.

##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: ActionDan on April 19, 2014, 03:59:26 AM
One shot vig but I've had 5 shots tonight all hail alcohol! !!  Serela
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 19, 2014, 04:14:54 AM
I really don't like how Raitaki has been voting CF7.
And Raitaki's opinions in general.
Pretty much all of them are sheeped from other people, even if they come into conflict with each other. (IE. sheeping me on CF7 while sheeping Bardiche on me D1)
I dunno, I just really don't like how Raitaki has been tunnelling CF7 and the way he's been going about it.
Maybe I should just rely on the mafia cow god.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 19, 2014, 04:34:13 AM
Well, I guess it's about time we start deciding on a lynch.

##Unvote
##Vote: CF7


Hmm?

So you post stuff about everyone and don't mention CF7, and then say 'let's decide on a lynch' and vote for someone who isn't even one of the two largest wagons [PX and Me], without explaining why?

I mean you mentioned that you are down with a CF7 lynch earlier as well.

I guess your reasons are pretty much still the same as why you voted in this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1088309.html#msg1088309), I just want that to be confirmed since you didn't do that or really say either way.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Schezo on April 19, 2014, 04:38:17 AM
Quote
Now with proper mod color
ty
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 19, 2014, 04:40:58 AM
Well yeah, he didn't really do anything else between then and now to get a better read from.
I guess PX's latest post is decent enough to not make him my top priority, and I don't think you're scummy enough to warrant a lynch right now without a Shadoweh flip, either. The reason I started switching 18 hours before deadline is because I noticed quite a few people expressed interest in lynching CF7 even though they're not currently voting him so hopefully

cut: i c wat u did thar
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 19, 2014, 06:43:36 AM
I still don't think CF7 is scum.
But im willing 2 shep my vote 2 Dormio 4 rest of game!!!!
No one is going to quickhammer you Raikaria. (bc u r scum :> )
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 19, 2014, 06:46:48 AM
Except I'm not scum, and L-1 is always dangerous territory for a potential quickhammer before I can claim.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: PX on April 19, 2014, 07:11:49 AM
You can, oh I don't know, claim EARLY so that we don't have this stupid panic that happens with less than an hour left and can discuss it before hand?

Also, work tomorrow won't be at deadline
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 19, 2014, 08:24:53 AM
You can, oh I don't know, claim EARLY so that we don't have this stupid panic that happens with less than an hour left and can discuss it before hand?

Also, work tomorrow won't be at deadline

Yeah you'd like me to claim in full while I'm at L-3, being scum and wanting more information to use, wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: CF7 on April 19, 2014, 08:59:55 AM
So... I'm back
And CF7 buying Raikaria's case after seeing the highlight on Shadoweh's joke post kind of itches me. Don't see how a townie would look at the part which targets either a joke or potential WIFOM and say "hey this case is legit".
...Rereading further, here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1088104.html#msg1088104) he said Raikaria's case was weird, that he didn't buy it and looked scummy, but theen turned around and started believing in it when he saw the quoted joke post as above? Bullshit. And there wasn't much else going on between "Case is weird" and "Case looks good" to really change his mind either.
##Vote CF7
And here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1088197.html#msg1088197) or rather here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1088235.html#msg1088235) since i messed up tags i explained why Raikaria's case is plausible. Read that bolded part where he quotes that scum!Shadoweh will vote for easy targets and that's what she pretty much did this game with Sky_P.

Raitaki: I outright claimed to want to know if certain people were DARK for role-purposes. You really read my posts and didn't see that? :V I don't know who else would be scum right now, I still think Dan might be, but there isn't enough information to make huge leaps of intuition.
Hm... So far we have 2 VT flips. One is Dark i.e. NNR and one is Light - Sky_P. So either i am missing something, but looks like elements have little to no meaning here.
You should aim to please me. ;)
Oh, Your Highness, what this lowly worm can do to make itself useful?  :V
Yeah you'd like me to claim in full while I'm at L-3, being scum and wanting more information to use, wouldn't you?
This is actually quite a valid point. So i might leave my vote where it is.

Okay. My Little Pony Case on Raitaki.
Let's start with the very beginning. I.e. miller claim. Miller claim is all fine and all that. But as i mentioned in my #287 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1088197.html#msg1088197) i haven't found anything relevant about Dragon Poker. What i meant to say i haven't found that it actually exists. There's Dragonplay Poker which is not relevant and then there's Dragon Poker from Asprin books which is not relevant at all.
When questioned his reply was
CF7: Uh, if the post where I claimed the flavor for the miller part of my role was what you found iffy, and if you can't google anything about it, why do you think my miller claim is legit? :V Also, you realize that the "something something" part was "hey look I'm paraphrasing the mod to not eat lightning bolts", right?
I'm really starting to think that miller claim is not legit, tbh. Yes, i am aware of paraphrasing, but i'm not sure why the game you're refering to does not exist?

Here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1086516.html#msg1086516) the reasoning is quite

Here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1088387.html#msg1088387) he switches his vote to Shadoweh for some iffy reasons. Then tries to backpedal on bad reasoning in his next 2 posts.
The reason I started switching 18 hours before deadline is because I noticed quite a few people expressed interest in lynching CF7 even though they're not currently voting him so hopefully
And then there's this. Subtle pushing for my lynch with bad reasoning. I see people not voting this person, but let's lynch him. Best reasoning ever.

So, all in all. I think that the miller claim is fake. He mostly sheeps other people's cases and his latest push for my lynch looks kinda scummy.

While overall i still find PX scummy for his earlier lurking, at least he crawled out of his lurking pit and his posts looks town to me.
##Unvote
##Vote Raitaki
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 19, 2014, 12:06:48 PM
For serious I do not think CF7 is scum.
I would rather consolidate on Raitaki then him. Not that we ever need to lynch someone via consolidation.
I work with VCA, what am I suposed to do in this game anyways?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 19, 2014, 03:16:30 PM
@CF7: What about this. (https://www.facebook.com/DragonPokerFans)
I don't see how I was backpedaling. I was still keeping my vote on Shadoweh. The post after my vote was me going "okay, I thought there was a possible reason for Shadoweh voting like that, but turns out there WASN'T"
And then misrep extraordinaire. Not only you ignored the reason I voted you earlier, but you also twisted my words. I meant "hey those people want to lynch CF7 so I'm gonna keep my vote there and try to get a wagon going".

About the agreeing with Raikaria thing: Yeah, that's exactly what I said. You went from "this case sucks" to "this case owns", all because of something Shadoweh said that was, I repeat, either a joke or WIFOM. Using either a joke or a WIFOM post as pretty much your sole reason to call someone scum is scummy in my book.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 19, 2014, 03:18:21 PM
Okay nevermind you never did finalize her at scum, but "almost convinced switching my vote" comes pretty close.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Schezo on April 19, 2014, 06:14:12 PM
Never Before Seen

Raikaria (3): Shadoweh, PX, Dormio
Raitaki (3): Action Dan, Zakeri, CF7
CF7 (2): Serela, Raitaki
Shadoweh (1): Raikaria
PX (1): Bardiche

Not Voting:

With 10 left alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
<4 Hours left.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 19, 2014, 06:31:47 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: Raitaki


Not me over me and securing a lynch and all that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: CF7 on April 19, 2014, 06:32:38 PM
I meant "hey those people want to lynch CF7 so I'm gonna keep my vote there and try to get a wagon going".
Sorry, but it still does not look better to me. Not one bit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: PX on April 19, 2014, 06:54:20 PM
Anyone else feel like lynching Dan? Also why are we lynching Raitaki he's pretty town
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 19, 2014, 07:02:21 PM
Because no one wants to lynch scum.
##Vote Raitaki
Dormio-sama, save me from this nightmare!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Shadoweh on April 19, 2014, 07:03:16 PM
(That's L-1, I guess Raitaki should claim, im not gonna be back before 'deadline' so etc)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 19, 2014, 07:05:54 PM
>_>
I claim miller doc. Sorta crumbed here:
Damn, I got spared somehow, and Dormio's still not here. Once everyone who can show up we might still not have enough votes :S
Could really end up with a NL, here.
Basically, I targeted Dormio N1.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
dude raitaki probably isn't scum
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2014, 07:07:22 PM
I really don't like the people voting the wagon either. It's very Bad Sign to me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 19, 2014, 07:08:19 PM
Wait whatever happened to Shadoweh pushing Raikaria? I don't really see a scumread comparable to yours on Raikaria anywhere in your posts, and Raikaria only had 1 fewer vote, are you just trying to force me to claim here?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2014, 07:09:44 PM
Cf7 or Shadoweh should die immediately. PX would be okay and I'd rather Raikaria was lynched than Raitaki. Can we not lynch Raitaki

I will become the Dormio and dude you into submission.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Schezo on April 19, 2014, 07:11:37 PM
Complete Destruction Paradox

Raikaria (2): PX, Dormio
Raitaki (5): Action Dan, Zakeri, CF7, Raikaria, Shadoweh L-1
CF7 (2): Serela, Raitaki
PX (1): Bardiche

Not Voting:

Raitaki is at L-1
With 10 left alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
<3 Hours left.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: CF7 on April 19, 2014, 07:12:08 PM
##Unvote.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2014, 07:17:19 PM
Actually, CF7 > Raikaria > PX > Shadoweh would be my priority. I reevaluated a few things once I started actually thinking about the game. Unfortunately I really don't think my thought process would be helpful for anyone to read apart from helping read my alignment, but I'm already modconfirmed so.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 19, 2014, 07:21:28 PM
My V/LA is officially, (And finally) Over, so people can start voting for me for lack of content tomorrow.

##Unvote I really don't know what to do since we have 3 hours left and I've only skimmed posts so far. My early day one scumread of Raitaki isn't strong enough to hold up against a Doctor claim, and it was a placeholder vote since I knew I wouldn't have much time to vote today. I'm basically sheeping.

I still think Raikaria and Shadoweh are both town, and that Raikaria is just frustrated by Shadoweh's playstyle. CF7 and Dan are just random lynches to me, but anything's better than nothing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2014, 07:23:01 PM
Zakeri <3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 19, 2014, 07:26:55 PM
Serela, I need you to be me now, so that I can be you for the rest of the day. :ohdear:
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: ActionDan on April 19, 2014, 07:28:12 PM
Unsure why innocent child is bp with a doctor.  And a cop. 
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: CF7 on April 19, 2014, 07:29:46 PM
Hm... I am not really sure what to do actually. Theoretically we have enough people to consolidate on someone. The problem is i don't really see the people i want to lynch that badly. This whole game has been one clusterfuck of undecisiveness. I blame Dormio.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: ActionDan on April 19, 2014, 07:31:08 PM
Where is dormio.  Isn't he supposed to use power lynch people
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 19, 2014, 07:31:58 PM
I blame Dormio.
Blame not the sword, but the hammer that shaped it

Goddamnit Chaore
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 19, 2014, 07:34:20 PM
80% of the time, having a doctor becomes completely nullified by when the doctor claims his role.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 19, 2014, 07:35:25 PM
Exactly why I didn't claim D1, especially after I got told I couldn't doc myself ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 19, 2014, 07:41:38 PM
uhh ok.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2014, 07:44:03 PM
why would you even claim that you can't doc yourself :C
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 19, 2014, 07:47:50 PM
:3c
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: PX on April 19, 2014, 07:52:23 PM
Break. Don't see CF7 as scum, so can we either lynch Dan or Raikaria?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Schezo on April 19, 2014, 08:18:19 PM
Dazzled Butterfly

Raikaria (2): PX, Dormio
Raitaki (3): Action Dan, Raikaria, Shadoweh
CF7 (2): Serela, Raitaki
PX (1): Bardiche

Not Voting: CF7, Zakeri

With 10 left alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
<2 Hours left.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raitaki on April 19, 2014, 08:24:40 PM
It seems Raikaria seems to be the only common link that we have enough people agreeing on atm.

##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria


If he flips town then I'll be all over Shadoweh tomorrow.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: CF7 on April 19, 2014, 08:38:18 PM
Not feeling like lynching Raikaria to be honest. Or rather it kind of leaves bad taste in my mouth. These 2 hour before deadline lynches are bad for my sanity.
##Vote Raikaria.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: CF7 on April 19, 2014, 08:38:37 PM
##Vote Raikaria
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2014, 08:44:12 PM
Hey Raikaria are you here to claim? I think deadline is in 40 minutes or something.

For that matter Dormio are you around?

I'm ready to put Raikaria at l-1 but I'm not going anywhere before deadline, so
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2014, 08:44:38 PM
nvm hour and 40 minutes, timestamps can be weird
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on April 19, 2014, 08:46:00 PM
I'd lynch Raikaria for consistently misspelling "probably" as "probobly". 10/10 case could get behind.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 19, 2014, 08:46:48 PM
Claiming.

When you look at my prior role information, notice something? I specifically say 'at the present time', or specificy 'I had no action D1 and N1'

I'm a Global Backup. Or I was. I'm now a Cop.

##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 19, 2014, 08:47:41 PM
I'll quote my crumbs in a few mins after my Blodbowl game ends.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on April 19, 2014, 08:48:36 PM
Also because while I think PX is super scum 2014, Raikaria's not helping by admitting to voteparks (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1088484.html#msg1088484) without analysing the content of posts produced, says Zakeri is kinda null and Bard won't get lynched (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1088484.html#msg1088484) but at the same time saying Bard is Town (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1088485.html#msg1088485). Why worry that I probably won't get lynched? More annoyingly, the observation that I'm not getting lynched is apparently reason to conclude Shadoweh is scum by PoE, and that's not a valid PoE.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 19, 2014, 09:02:14 PM
I don't want to claim in full to reduce the information available to the scum, but likewise I see no harm in giving some information about my role so I will say this: I have no abilities which I can activate or control at this current point, and I am town.

Also not a 'Nilla. I do *have* an ability or effect.

Personally I'd wager that one of Zakeri and Bardiche are scum because both are still alive and *~meta~*, but let's actually try and look for scum that is not a 50/50, shall we?

Aka: I intend to cop one of them.

No. I already said that I have no active actions during Day 1. How could I roleblock you if this is the case? My only ability during Day 1 and Night 1 was passive. I had no night action.

Well how many passive roles with no night actions can you think of Shadoweh? I'm not a Miller either, else I'd have counter-claimed Raitaki. I'm not hated, the votecounts prove that. That dosen't leave a very large pool.

Sorry but I do not feel like divulging about my role. I would rather the scum do not have more information than they already have.

there you go. I've been crumbing Backup.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 19, 2014, 09:04:05 PM
Also since we are nearing consolidation; lynch priorities:

Shadoweh>PX>Dan [Not been too impressed by his D2, and a scum shot D1 isn't out of the question]>CF7 [I think he's more likly town than scum atm] > Zakeri > Bard > Me > Serela/Dormio
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 19, 2014, 09:04:38 PM
Forgot Raitaki, he's after CF7 after his claim.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2014, 09:07:02 PM
as I said before I don't -really- think raikaria is scum, even if I have to admit he's done some scummy stuff, and that makes me keep falling back on him as a lynch priority because I'm bad and can't remember things all at once

but lol who else are we even going to lynch at this point, I mean I'd still happily go for CF7 or maybe PX and I'd rather go for Shadoweh than the Rais but uhm

Dormio plz come save

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on April 19, 2014, 09:12:18 PM
I'm being asked to believe in a setup with a bulletproof innocent town, a cop, a one-shot compulsive dayvig, everyday-shot "fuck you I'm the Kingmaker and King" and a backup to preserve all of these.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Bardiche on April 19, 2014, 09:13:47 PM
What this learns me is that IF Raikaria is speaking the truth, then Dormio and he are unlikely to be on opposite teams: Scum would obviously kill Dormio in order to get his power for themselves.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Schezo on April 19, 2014, 09:16:57 PM
It's Fine to Rest

Raikaria (4): PX, Dormio, Raitaki, CF7 L-2
Raitaki (2): Action Dan, Shadoweh
CF7 (1): Serela
PX (1): Bardiche
Shadoweh (1): Raikaria

Not Voting: Zakeri

Raikaria is at L-2
With 10 left alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
45 Minutes left.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 19, 2014, 09:18:28 PM
ehh, crud, ##Vote: PX best wagon so far.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 19, 2014, 09:20:44 PM
##Unvote
##Vote: PX


Getting on the largest wagon that I want. 45 mins after all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Schezo on April 19, 2014, 09:25:30 PM
It's Better to Stop Now

Raikaria (4): PX, Dormio, Raitaki, CF7 L-2
Raitaki (2): Action Dan, Shadoweh
CF7 (1): Serela
PX (3): Bardiche, Zakeri, Raikaria

Not Voting:

Raikaria is at L-2
With 10 left alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.
35 Minutes left.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 19, 2014, 09:30:59 PM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/129.png)   Hey, Yomi-chan, are you going to do that thing again?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/141-1.png)    I suppose that now is a good a time as any.
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/141-1.png)   Change the world!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Untitled2-1.png)
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/394.png)   Umm... Yomi-chan?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Untitled-63.png)
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/394.png)   I get the feeling we ended up somewhere ridiculous...
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/394.png)   Hey, we changed again as well!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/989.png)   Wonder if it means anything.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 19, 2014, 09:34:47 PM
Right, hash tags and all that.
##Change the world
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 19, 2014, 09:38:50 PM
Dormio Brando.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Schezo on April 19, 2014, 09:39:47 PM
Time has been stopped. No one may move their votes but Dormio.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 19, 2014, 09:40:21 PM
Sorta crumbed here
Wow I don't like that crumb. Whatever.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Serela on April 19, 2014, 09:43:05 PM
Was about to change to PX but yeah, Dormio's got the situation under wraps now, no complains here
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 19, 2014, 09:47:41 PM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/394.png)   Alright! Now it's time for me to do my thing!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/394.png)   Wait for me, Yomi-chan! I'll be done in a second!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/989.png)   No.
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/394.png)   Come on, Yomi-chan! You said that we could figure out why we were changing together!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/394.png)   ...
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/394.png)   ##Zakeri, vote Raikaria
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/394.png)   ##Serela, vote Raikaria
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/394.png)   Yomi-chan... Do you hate me...?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/989.png)   What are you doing, brooding here by yourself?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/989.png)   Come back here so I can go to sleep already.
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/394.png)   Yomi-chan...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Raikaria on April 19, 2014, 09:48:41 PM
Well done Dormio, you lynched the cop.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 19, 2014, 09:49:50 PM
Awesome.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Schezo on April 19, 2014, 09:52:13 PM
That's enough talking for everyone
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 2
Post by: Chaore on April 20, 2014, 01:12:41 AM
Dormio has terrible taste: The Anime

Raikaria (6): PX, Dormio, Raitaki, CF7, Serela, Zakeri
Raitaki (2): Action Dan, Shadoweh
PX (3): Bardiche, Raikaria


LYNCH HAS BEEN REACHED.

After a day of Faffling about, another lynch has finally been met.

Sweating profusely, Raikaria glances around before holding his hands up. "Wait! I can totally prove my alliance, someone just give me five bucks."

Serela, being Serela hands over five bucks.

Noisily, Raikaria suddenly devours it and proceeds to shoot a blue egg with a green star on it out of his stomach.

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/82.jpg) *ding*

"See! I'm the Rare Egg Machine!"

Everyone pauses for a moment before looking at Serela.

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/984.png) He ate my five bucks for another god damn golem! KILL HIM!

And thus, everyone beat Raikari to fucking pieces like we all wish we could.

Raikaria, playing THE DREAD DRAGON MACHINE, EATER OF STONES, DESTROYER OF HOPES, SADISTIC MONSTER later FUMA KOTARO has been lynched.

(http://www.epicdome.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/gallery-puzzles-dragons-02.jpg)

As the Dread Dragon machine, Raikaria had no element and could do nothing on his own.

However, once the right person died, he was capable of rolling himself for a new monster.

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/561.jpg)

As FUMA KOTARO, he was light element, and a simple cop.

And now he's dead.

Night 2 begins now, 24 hours to send in actions, folks!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Night 2
Post by: Chaore on April 21, 2014, 03:02:31 AM
Once again, we dawn upon a new day.

Nobody died last night!











oh right except dormio, he's dead now.

Dormio, playing LOVE DEITY, COSMOS VENUS & NOCTURNE CHANTER TSUKUYOMI was killed Night 2.

Their elements were Light/Light and Dark/Dark.

He had TWO abilities.

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/394.jpg) (http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/990.jpg)

Quote
CHANGE THE WORLD: Once per day you may freeze time for 24 hours, you may do this so long as you can also use your other ability. You may do this in Lylo. During this time, no one else can vote and the deadline is stopped.
MOVE THE WORLD: During timestop, you may over other player's votes up to SIX TIMES the entire game. If you move less than six times during one day, you can use this and Change the World the next day, however you may only move how many moves are remaining. This continues until you are out of moves. You can neither stop time or move votes at that point. The command for this is # (Player who's vote your moving), VOTE: (Target).

As an example, to make me vote Schezo it would be #CHAORE, VOTE: SCHEZO.

No one is surprised really.

Day 3 begins now, It will end April 23rd at Midnight EST.

With eight left alive, it takes five to lynch.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on April 21, 2014, 03:08:28 AM
Wow we actually have to vote this time.
Hey Raitaki: Did you have trouble leaving your house because of rewinds?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 21, 2014, 03:16:11 AM
Hmm, Delicious double dark chocolate cake~

Reading now, and also waiting for Raitaki and etc people.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3
Post by: PX on April 21, 2014, 03:20:35 AM
##Vote ActionDan

His claim D1 is extremely spotty, and his play otherwise has been equally as empty
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 21, 2014, 03:23:23 AM
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/395.png)   ...
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/990.png)   Venus?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/395.png)   Oh, my dear Tsukuyomi. How I wanted to simply be with you.
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/990.png)   What are you talking about, Venus?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/395.png)   I tried so hard to please you and yet your only response would be for me to "go die".
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/395.png)   Well, I've had enough of that.
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/990.png)   Venus, I didn't mean any-
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/395.png)   Silence! It's too late for apologies now!
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/395.png)   ##Change the world
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/395.png)   Kyahahaha! How does it feel to have your own time stopped?
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/395.png)   I'll be sure to treat you so very nicely in our own private time...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3
Post by: Chaore on April 21, 2014, 03:27:28 AM
(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/750.png) oh right it's Mylo lol have fun
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 03:29:18 AM
I was about to post but then WAIT WHAT IT'S LYLO? Fuck. Dormio why did you have to lynch the cop. why did you have to stop us from lynching px instead. ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3
Post by: Shadoweh on April 21, 2014, 03:32:18 AM
Do you think wwe should lynch px
I'm not sure anymore because apparently everyone I want to lynch is just a townie that really, really hates my face.
Dormio I'm pretty sure this game doesn't have a story, stop publishing your fanfiction fantasies even if they're hot
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 03:34:09 AM
Raitaki was most likely roleblocked, yes. Raitaki were you roleblocked? Dormio, thanks for killing the cop so scum didn't have to ;_;

I've though about the shenanigans further and I won't fill the thread with blabber on it, but suffice it to say as long as nothing weird happens I'm ready to firmly believe that a Raitaki claiming being blocked is most likely town and the rb'er is scum. This also means Shadoweh is probably town. This makes it very convenient to believe in and I WON'T LET YOU STOP ME.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 03:39:56 AM
PX and CF7 are probably scum.

That leaves Zak/Dan/Bard as the remainders. I don't think it's Bard. Dan is possible, town is strong so scum may have been given an extra kill that's forcibly used on mid-d1 to give roleshen towncred and to make it less useful than it could be, and unstoppable by other roleshens. Zak could go either way. Unfortunately it's mylo and we can't risk messing that stuff up.

So do you want to lynch PX or CF7 guys?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 03:40:19 AM
##Vote CF7

Really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 03:48:51 AM
Also, given how d2 went, and the current situation, I think PX and CF7 should both fullclaim.

Immediately. No you don't get extra time to think about what you should claim. You should know already that the lynch is probably going to come down to you two in this situation!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 21, 2014, 03:50:41 AM
So the two people that I think are Town. <_< Ugh.
Serela, have I mentioned you taking charge authoritatively is very scary?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 03:52:52 AM
I swear if there was more to actually make a case with in this game I would, but I don't think there's much worth expanding on in this situation and the alternative lynches are meh except for maybe Dan, which I don't feel super safe about in mylo.

So Shadoweh if CF7 and PX are SO TOWN then which three people would you pick as scum? Do you think it's Dan, Zakeri, and Bard? >:V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 03:53:49 AM
(anyone trying to point out why zak or bard are more likely to be scum than town or vice versa actually would be helpful)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 03:56:43 AM
Serela, have I mentioned you taking charge authoritatively is very scary?
You'd probably be even more afraid than Dorian was if you tried to hydra with me sometime like he did!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 03:59:30 AM
Anyway (sorry for spamming the thread!) them fullclaiming doesn't hurt that much when you consider that it honestly wouldn't be that bad of an idea for EVERYONE to fullclaim anyway, or at least partially claim.

I mean it's probably going to stay mylo/lylo for the rest of the game.

but I think massclaim can we worried about later. As in, after PX and CF7 claim `_____________________`
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: PX on April 21, 2014, 04:05:26 AM
So why do you want to lynch me?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 04:26:18 AM
partially PoE, partially very lackluster d1, and-

well

I guess you're not a "probably scum", it didn't help that you basically weren't around until the end of d2 though

Because of PoE you're still one of the best lynch options though, but I guess it could be CF7/Dan/Zak instead of you being one of those three.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 04:32:14 AM
also day start and you're just "k let's lynch dan", which is da easiest post to make and doesn't cover much ground

albiet it's not like you couldn't say more after a little while, since the day had only just started
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 04:37:52 AM
tl;dr I'm confirmed town already and it's not like anyone's going to follow my lead, so I'll say things first and worry about accuracy to reality later :D

I mean I guess you can be further back in what's probably going to end up being a popcorn massclaim or partial massclaim or whatever but
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Bardiche on April 21, 2014, 05:06:46 AM
##Vote: PX

His play has been empty.

Dan is mega-lurking but wcyd.

Shadoweh are you a neighbouriser who can only befriend people of the DARK element
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Bardiche on April 21, 2014, 05:08:55 AM
Seriously though I don't see how PX can even make his case when the same shit pretty much applies to his contentless play. This entire game has been devoid of much content and valuable discussion but some people not only take the cake, they roll around in it until they are fat, and PX is looking pretty American right now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 21, 2014, 05:11:09 AM
Uhm... yes? Are you a rolecop again or something?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 05:22:53 AM
@Shadoweh: Yep, I was. Door portals OP.
This is scary, but I agree with Serela. That's roughly people's top 2 fav. lynches right now, and their plays have been lackluster. Though this is a tough friggin' MyLo, imo, what with Dan, Bard, Zak and PX not having posted much to judge them by.

I still think Shadoweh is scummy still, but that takes back seat to CF7 atm and it seems I'm the only one left trying to push a case on her, and that sucks since I think the games I've played here made it clear that I'm terribad of getting people to understand and agree with my cases >_>

It's like 10PM so I'll try figure something out tomorrow
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 05:24:39 AM
Sorry Raitaki but Shadoweh's claim checks out in several degrees and she has the roleblocked thing going for her.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 05:28:11 AM
some vca should probably be done with assumptions that raitaki/shadoweh/bard are all confirmed town

Because Of Reasons.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 05:32:32 AM
I dunno. The condition she claimed for her role is specific enough for her to get away with claiming to not have legit targets for it, and she can just take a look at the scumblocker's role PM to mention the right flavor details, so I consider it null.
Though I'm probably dropping the Shadoweh thing for an indeterminate amount of time, as I said I'm not confident that there'd be a Shadoweh lynch that doesn't involve people seeing her scummy themselves instead of me making cases.

Neither do I think Bard's assess of Shadoweh's role to clear him as town. Now that I think of it, a flavor-specific PR should have something that's unconditionally beneficial to whoever has the right flavor (because something like a DARK-only doc sounds pretty awful, and a DARK-only cop would clue town that scum is most likely in one of the DARK-aligned people), and that doesn't leave a very large pool of roles remaining.
Or they could both be scum.
Or Bard could be scum roleclop.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 21, 2014, 05:33:14 AM
But my role is confirmed :<
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 05:33:33 AM
Yeah this'd prolly backfire later but right now all I believe in is the Serelagod, sorry

edit: wait what
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 05:36:08 AM
Just keep believing in the Serelagod, I have my reasons :3c And it's not like that time with Dormio back in Mirai Nikki mafia either!

it's exactly like that time back in mirai nikki mafia with dormio isn't it
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 21, 2014, 05:41:11 AM
If you were DARK I definitely would have neighbourized you like the entire scum team!
VCA for this game:

Daay 1 LYNCH!
Sky Paladin: Dormio, Dormio, Dormio, Dormio, Dormio, Dormio, Dormio

Day 2 LYNCH!
Raikaria: Dormio, Dormio, Dormio, Dormio, Dormio, Dormio

I think we can conclude safely from this that Dormio is the last scum.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 05:44:05 AM
Have you actually neighborized someone, that'd do nicely to cut my chance of tunneling wrong person by a third
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 05:46:11 AM
Yeah if you neighborized someone you may as well just admit it, I can assure you not everyone believes in the serelagod
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 05:46:32 AM
Man I just realized we can't even NL to reduce suspects since I'd get shot in an instant
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 05:48:25 AM
NL to reduce suspects only works if town can learn something from PRs or scum isn't allowed to no-kill

even if scum can't no-kill there's basically always someone townie enough that it doesn't really help when they die
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 05:50:09 AM
Can Bard also confirm if that was a roleclop claim and what all his results were
Basically everyone unload your everything
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 21, 2014, 05:50:30 AM
ftr i wouldn't mind no-lynching so Raitaki could get shot.
And I think it works better if someone else claims that, don't you?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 05:53:46 AM
I can confirm that Bard moved in next to me last night and we're bestest buddies, totally not like someone who would vig me if he had a gun and I wasn't bulletproof.

Also, Shadoweh, think about it for a second, can you really fakeclaim neighborizing someone? >:V I mean do you really think anyone could actually get away with that? Did you do it or didn't you?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 05:58:22 AM
Anyway I'm going to bed, all the towny-people's roles have already been claimed so you should all probably just massclaim while I'm asleep.

Starting with CF7/PX, and probably ending with Zakeri I guess? Actually that just leaves Dan in the middle so lol, but he already claimed and I doubt the HOMICIDAL KILLER gets extra powers if he's town.

Wow, is everyone other than CF7/PX/Zak already claimed? Yeah. I guess they are. Even more reason to full steam ahead on this.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 21, 2014, 06:10:50 AM
O_O
Wait, you're neighbours with BARD?
..oh wel lthat kind of explains that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: PX on April 21, 2014, 07:21:08 AM
I'm Batman. Literally batman. BAO Batman+Remote Claw Dark/Dark. Also I do nothing. And I love the fact that NOBODY has actually fully claimed shit yet. Someone please claim

Dan's play between the first half and second half of the first day are pretty damn sporadic. Basically once he claims, he just stops playing the game. His claim is all kinds of ass. He claims compulsive day one vig, however
1) He does this halfway through the day
2) He has to ask the mod if his shot resets votes after he claimed
3) He never states what happens if he DOESN'T fire, which is probably one of the first things you should ask if it's not given to you
4) Never explains why he chose his targets
5) Takes a selfish shot without really caring about others opinions on this
6) Straight up asks for claims instead of asking them to prove they're town
After this his play basically devolves to him showing at random parts of the game posting one liners that do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT PROVE HE'S STILL HERE

I find it funny as hell that Bardiche has even less posts than Dan. Scratch that, less posts than Zak. Your play amounts to case on Dormio, mild opinions on both lynch targets, and case on me. You have literally said zero opinions on the rest of the game besides the fact that Serela proves there is no God. You said I pretended D1 doesn't exist, yet you said that the game is devoid of content. Reason I didn't mention D1 was because that the entire second half was a cluttered piece of shit with nothing of value worth grabbing since it devolved to roleshit and everyone being inactive. Early day 1 is mostly useless. So why not read stuff that's current and means something? And clearly posts where I'm actually talking to someone have so much less content than Dan's utter lack of stuff. I don't even know what you think of Dan. You clearly acknowledge he's power lurking to hell and back and back to hell and back again but you're willing to just pass it off.

Also, proof of role IS NOT PROOF OF ALIGNMENT, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEADS PEOPLE >_>

Last scum has to be Zakeri since I forgot he existed and everybody else should be town. Man typing this on a phone sucks

Also Serela, you say voting Dan is the easiest stance when literally voting me or CF7 is easier simply because we were actual wagons on day 2
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: PX on April 21, 2014, 07:37:12 AM
Btw, I'm implying Dan decided to use his shot D1 and bullshited a compulsive claim to justify it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 21, 2014, 08:31:22 AM
Serela, these questions are v important
1: When did you become neighbours with Bard
2: Is he talking more to you then he is in thread, are there actual qt posts happening
3: Was PX/CF7 his idea
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 21, 2014, 09:20:22 AM
Let's not be hasty here. And first things first.
I am Verdandi from Tower of Saviours. My element is Wood and i have one ability - Parasitic Effect, which allows me to be a dirty voyeur, by which i mean that i am a Watcher. On the first night i targeted Dan, since i thought that he will be killed and i'll be able to see who the killer was, but for some reason no-one visited him during the night. On the second night i targeted Dormio and his only guest was Raitaki. So... I think there's no God, or rather Doc. And his miller claim was really a fake.
That said.
##Vote Raitaki.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 21, 2014, 09:40:47 AM
I'm Batman. Literally batman. BAO Batman+Remote Claw Dark/Dark. Also I do nothing. And I love the fact that NOBODY has actually fully claimed shit yet. Someone please claim
I am fullclaimed! You'll have to wait for my neighbour to confirm it! My character is some dark magician girl with a fork surrounded by candy.

Post above: IT'S HAPPENING
A cop, a doc OR a watcher, a one-shot vig, two neighbourizors, a bulletproof innocent child, a CHANGE THE WORLD.. vs
a roleblocker, ???? ?????????? (maybe one-shot vig goes here?)

What's more unbelievable, a cop + doc or a cop + watcher? i want to say cop + watcher is insane, but this game.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 21, 2014, 01:04:51 PM
oh god, bad time to go to sleep.

I can confirm that Shadoweh has an ability that allows her to invite people into a neighborizer quicktopic. I can also confirm that I am the only successful target of her action so far. She invited me because she picked up on my earlier breadcrumb that "I share the same color (Dark) Heart and yet I was never asked". I also decided to breadcrumb in the first post of day 3 that I was targeted by Shadoweh's role with the "Double Dark" Chocolate cake, which I had figured my Dark/Dark element allowed her ability to work.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 21, 2014, 01:18:36 PM
SERELA WE'RE WRITING CUDDLY FANFICTION AREN'T YOU JEALOUS
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 21, 2014, 02:09:22 PM
Btw, let's look at Raitaki's posts today.
@Shadoweh: Yep, I was. Door portals OP.
That's an oddly specific thing to say. Shadoweh said that she was roleblocked and that's all. It looks like that Raitaki knows the typo of block specifically. And i'd say this information is only accessible by scum.
Yeah this'd prolly backfire later but right now all I believe in is the Serelagod, sorry
This is what i'd call scum behavior. Here Raitaki does not expresses opinion and hopes for Serela to vote someone. So scum actually can hammer afterwards.
2 scum slips in just one day. I'd say we caught scum with pants down.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 02:21:51 PM
roflmao CF7 I didn't even target Dormio N2. But yeah I have no way to prove that since I was rb'd so eh.

##Vote CF7

And maybe I know the flavor of being roleblocked because I was, y'know, roleblocked?
And hey thanks for twisting my "I only see Serela as being cleared by role" into "I will sheep Serela for the rest of the game" :)
Do you have crumbs?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 02:22:39 PM
Also what's your element?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 21, 2014, 02:29:20 PM
Also what's your element?
Wood. And i said so in my claim post just a bit before.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 02:30:48 PM
Oh right.
Speaking of today's posts

> Let's not be hasty guys
> Hey I saw Raitaki killing Dormio but, y'know, no rush
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 21, 2014, 02:36:51 PM
> Let's not be hasty guys
> Hey I saw Raitaki killing Dormio but, y'know, no rush
Ahem. What am i supposed to do? Something like this?
"Guys! This night I spied on this guy. The guy in question had only one guest during the night. And now that guy is dead. That's totally okay. Because that guy's night guest had nothing to do with the guy's death. So i won't be voting him based on my results."
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 02:39:54 PM
Yes, yes, more twisting my words, pleasant, hurrah.

In all seriousness though, I don't really see a scenario in MyLo where a townie player can find scum through role, then type the words "Let's not be hasty" in the thread. That's pretty freaking calm for someone who believes they have a shot at saving town and lynching scum with 100% certainty. Well, barring suspecting roleshens I guess, but I doubt CF7's suspecting any roleshens concerning seeing me  kill Dormio rn (not that there was any)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 02:45:46 PM
SERELA WE'RE WRITING CUDDLY FANFICTION AREN'T YOU JEALOUS
It's okay I'll get to see it postgame. :3

Anyway I believe in Raitaki being town much more than I'd believe in CF7 being town, ergo I'm of the opinion cf7 is scum going with guns blazing.

Also Bard neighborized me last night (He tried to connect with you on an apartmental level n1, but poor Shadoweh wasn't partially light element like I am) and went to bed after commenting that OH GOD WATCH SHADOWEH BE MY OPPOSITE BECAUSE BASTARD SETUP and fullclaiming.

I swear when I got a pm giving me a QT I thought it was going to be the graveyard and considering my situation this game and all the claims yesterday, I was very, very confused.

CF7's reasonings that Raitaki are scum are based on "hey he mentioned something flavory it must be scumslip" and misrepping him and also not understanding the gamestate because I'm already voting? Right when I woke up btw I realized "wait, if it's mylo, why are we all voting people immediately?", but whatever cf7 is scum.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 21, 2014, 02:47:14 PM
My "let's not be hasty" was directed at people who wanted to lynch me. That is all.
Also i am "pretty freaking calm" most of the time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 21, 2014, 02:52:25 PM
CF7's reasonings that Raitaki are scum are based on "hey he mentioned something flavory it must be scumslip" and misrepping him and also not understanding the gamestate because I'm already voting? Right when I woke up btw I realized "wait, if it's mylo, why are we all voting people immediately?", but whatever cf7 is scum.
Um... Did you somehow miss that i am a Watcher, i watched Dormio, Raitaki was the only guest during the night? Connect the dots.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Bardiche on April 21, 2014, 02:52:41 PM
Yeah, Shadoweh, I considered my condition of being able to target Light or subelement only and then figured that if Serela was a bulletproof innocent child then there was a pretty good chance of you being my exact opposite. Shadoweh is truly Shadowy and your heart is as dark as your name implies. Considering the rate of people who've flipped Light element though I grow worried I will have scant few people to actually connect with.

PX's comment about my number of posts is irrelevant if I'm still posting on track and with reasoning. I've laid out why I want to see PX lynched and why I feel he is scum, attempting to discredit it based on the amount of posts and the opinions on others is stupid. Even if Day 1 is a bad day, it doesn't mean we can just pretend it doesn't exist; this is why PX's Day 1 behaviour is a cornerstone of my vote on him, because his lack of participation in it and his now pretence that there is nothing of value in Day 1 is an obvious scum ploy to attempt to discredit looking at his nebulous play.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 02:55:36 PM
INPUT: "Raitaki is scum", "It is MyLo"
PRIORITIES: 1) please don't lynch me
2) lynch Raitaki

k.
cut: Hey Bard I'm Green/Light. Watch as I get shot tonight, and despair <3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Bardiche on April 21, 2014, 02:56:21 PM
CF7, why did you target Dormio?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Bardiche on April 21, 2014, 02:56:38 PM
Raitaki: I don't want to be in a QT with you.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 02:57:52 PM
; v;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 03:04:36 PM
He would be so angry that he would snap and give into his rage.

(If I wasn't confirmed town+helpful for proving his role he probably wouldn't want to be in a QT with me either)

Anyway, CF7, sorry if it looked like I was ignoring that part :V But yeah, you claimed a guilty on Raitaki, the thing is there's still a very good chance we're going to lynch YOU and not RAITAKI, so it's still kind of in your best interest to prove to us that Raitaki is the scum and not you for reasons other than "I got a private message telling me so! Please believe me." (I have to admit that it'd be hard to convince me otherwise and if you're town I'm sorry :C)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 03:08:05 PM
Zak hasn't claimed but I'm not entirely sure if it's actually important whether he does or not at this point.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 21, 2014, 03:10:43 PM
CF7, why did you target Dormio?
Because i thought that he would be targeted. It's based on the fact that his role is the most dangerous to scum. Shadoweh said she was roleblocked during the N1, so there is a roleblocker in a setup. Roleblocker can easily neutralize claimed doc. Turns out there's no doc.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 03:12:06 PM
For the record, if I was a watcher and there was a claimed doc, I wouldn't even consider targetting anyone else. Whether they get hit by the roleblocker or the NK, you caught the scum.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 03:13:13 PM
(plus if they're Actually Scum and claim roleblocked, you get to go "haha NOPE", etc, so it works forever)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 21, 2014, 03:36:31 PM
Anyway, CF7, sorry if it looked like I was ignoring that part :V But yeah, you claimed a guilty on Raitaki, the thing is there's still a very good chance we're going to lynch YOU and not RAITAKI, so it's still kind of in your best interest to prove to us that Raitaki is the scum and not you for reasons other than "I got a private message telling me so! Please believe me." (I have to admit that it'd be hard to convince me otherwise and if you're town I'm sorry :C)
Okay. It was all said before, but i can type it again.
Miller claim. People are voting Raitaki for miller claim. He gets really defensive about it. Then was this vague claim.
On second thought, I refuse to full claim. I uphold the miller claim, and here's the flavor:
I'm Snow White, not from PAD (something something Dragon Poker something) and treated as Green/Light (yuck). I return guilty results cuz everyone hates me for being different awesome.
I said that i could not find anything relevant via google to make this believable. When questioned further his reply was.
CF7: Uh, if the post where I claimed the flavor for the miller part of my role was what you found iffy, and if you can't google anything about it, why do you think my miller claim is legit? :V Also, you realize that the "something something" part was "hey look I'm paraphrasing the mod to not eat lightning bolts", right?
"I am paraphrasing. I do not want to be modkilled."

Add to all this his sheeping Dormio's case on me, which later was proven to be a BS case.
Raikaria/Shadoweh case.
I said i would vote Shadoweh based on Raikaria's case. Still i didn't. This is the reason he votes for me.
And CF7 buying Raikaria's case after seeing the highlight on Shadoweh's joke post kind of itches me. Don't see how a townie would look at the part which targets either a joke or potential WIFOM and say "hey this case is legit".
...Rereading further, here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1088104.html#msg1088104) he said Raikaria's case was weird, that he didn't buy it and looked scummy, but theen turned around and started believing in it when he saw the quoted joke post as above? Bullshit. And there wasn't much else going on between "Case is weird" and "Case looks good" to really change his mind either.
That's quite a bit of misrepping.
After i explained that to him, he replied.
Okay nevermind you never did finalize her at scum, but "almost convinced switching my vote" comes pretty close.

Then there was exchange.
80% of the time, having a doctor becomes completely nullified by when the doctor claims his role.
Exactly why I didn't claim D1, especially after I got told I couldn't doc myself ;_;
uhh ok.
why would you even claim that you can't doc yourself :C
:3c
Oops i was caught, reaction.

His next post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1089045.html#msg1089045).
He simply votes Raikaria.

Add to that his initial reaction (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1089588.html#msg1089588) to my claim.
He's trying to laugh it off, and then OMGUS votes me.

He's not too interested in finding scum, sheeps easy cases and all in all i find all this quite scummy.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 21, 2014, 03:45:42 PM
With CF7's pulling up all the varior things Raitaki has said that might be scumslips, as well as the fact that I've already felt like I've stumbled across him giving scumtells before, I'm pretty convinced.

Raitaki is going to have to give more evidence than CF7 going "Hold on a minute" Before deciding/realizing he needed to claim his role. Like for example something scum would do, or something town wouldn't do.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 21, 2014, 03:46:10 PM
Also, I'm with Bardiche, we don't want him in our quicktopic either.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 03:50:51 PM
Quote
I said that i could not find anything relevant via google to make this believable. When questioned further his reply was.
"I am paraphrasing. I do not want to be modkilled."
So basically, your complaint is that you don't think it's realistic for him to be town and not be a PAD character? I mean I don't really understand what other problem you could have with it. The only other thing I could get is maybe that you think he should have fullclaimed during ED1 but that'd be terrible?

Quote
Oops i was caught, reaction.
Again IDGI? Honestly the only thing I was thinking when I saw the :3 is "I don't know if you're secretly going "haha I'm so doccing myself tonight" or if you're purposefully trying to make scum think that's what you're thinking and you really can't", or what, but let's not go into that.

But yeah, the more solid thing you have is the parts on actual cases, but even there... I look at what Raitaki said in those quotes and, whilst I admit I haven't gone and reread your posts they're about specifically, given your explanation of them it looks pretty reasonable?

Cut by it's CF7/Zak/??? then, huh?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 03:51:32 PM
as in reasonable from Raitaki's side, I mean
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 04:00:20 PM
I guess there's this

Quote
His next post.
He simply votes Raikaria.

Add to that his initial reaction to my claim.
He's trying to laugh it off, and then OMGUS votes me.
1.deadline rush and this was kind of the mode for everyone at the time as we jumped from wagon to wagon, I'm not sure whether or not he had talked about raikaria before admittedly
2.um what would YOU do when someone claims a guilty on you? I mean going "lol caught scum" and voting them is kind of the expected reaction here
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 04:00:53 PM
It feels like CF7 is grabbing everything but the kitchen sink here. Most of this stuff is really bad.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 21, 2014, 04:09:02 PM
So basically, your complaint is that you don't think it's realistic for him to be town and not be a PAD character? I mean I don't really understand what other problem you could have with it. The only other thing I could get is maybe that you think he should have fullclaimed during ED1 but that'd be terrible?
I am saying that he claimed something obscure and it was weird.
2.um what would YOU do when someone claims a guilty on you? I mean going "lol caught scum" and voting them is kind of the expected reaction here
I would probably sit in the corner of the self pity.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 21, 2014, 04:17:41 PM
Also it a bit of nitpicking, but this question (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1089589.html#msg1089589) clearly demonstrates that Raitaki's not really paying attention to the game. Why would you not pay attention to the post, that contains a vote for you? If someone votes for you, there's got to be a reason in that post, unless it's just a blank vote.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 04:22:20 PM
It's regrettable that he missed it, yeah, but people do that all the time. Especially me.

"He claimed something obscure and it was weird" is this really something you're using to say he's scum. ;_; I mean that's assuredly his character even if he IS scum (which assumes he decided to fakeclaim miller as it right away, but that's neither here nor there) and this is the worst kind of scumhunting, where you assume the mod wouldn't use flavor like that. But anyway there's no point in me addressing this further, people can just decide for themselves how they feel about that since you've clarified.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 04:59:06 PM
Well SORRY if I didn't pay attention to a claim I knew was bs because you claimed bogus results on me.

Will go over CF7 gradually while at school, expect a slow pace
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Bardiche on April 21, 2014, 05:00:10 PM
Well SORRY if I didn't pay attention to a claim I knew was bs because you claimed bogus results on me.

Will go over CF7 gradually while at school, expect a slow pace

I'd think a townie thinking that a claim is bogus would pay attention and look for parts that prove the claim it's bogus.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 05:18:25 PM
About me voting him for changing his mind about Shadoweh: Hey good job picking just the small post and ignoring the core that came right before it:
Quote
About the agreeing with Raikaria thing: Yeah, that's exactly what I said. You went from "this case sucks" to "this case owns", all because of something Shadoweh said that was, I repeat, either a joke or WIFOM. Using either a joke or a WIFOM post as pretty much your sole reason to call someone scum is scummy in my book.
Quoting posts is easy, and that's all you're doing regarding my claims. Okay, why does being defensive over my miller claim make me scum? Why is my claimed flavor scummy and fake if you couldn't google it? (like, I easily found at least 2 results on the first page while googling, it's not even obscure) And what's wrong with paraphrasing a role PM? You mean town would copy paste the whole thing and break mafia rules just to prove their role?
CF7 and quoting things without explaining how they are scummy and hope other people just up and believe it, today at nine

And yes, I laughed at you because you made the game from "ohgod what if all these null-looking people with nothing to analyze is scum" to "hey there's an obvscum let's lynch it and not worry about losing today"

Apparently me keeping on CF7 after Dormio's case was shot down easy, adding to Raikaria's ~*~conspiracy theories~*~ was easy, and keeping on you after everyone basically says "I want to vote CF7 but I won't and won't explain why" easy

cut: I'm no longer confident or interested in favor shenanigans honestly. Not after the spectacle that was me vs NNR in adorable mafia
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 21, 2014, 08:04:50 PM
I rest my case.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 08:15:54 PM
And now we play the waiting game for Shad/PX/Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 08:37:10 PM
I'd be pissed if CF7 wins just by listing the things I did and just leaving them there and people automatically goes "oooh that makes sense"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Bardiche on April 21, 2014, 09:12:53 PM
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Add to all this his sheeping Dormio's case on me, which later was proven to be a BS case.

Quotations/links? CF7, your #542 doesn't actually explain anything about Raitaki being scum, it's just tinfoil hat conspiracies about scum fakeclaiming miller due to flavour and him misreading/misrepping something. Admitting to making a mistake != misrepresentation and that can happen, why is it scummy in this instance?

I can actually see a Scum!CF7.
This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=19415) clears PX for no longer lurking but PX's content is nihil. Arguments in favour of lynch targets smell of bullshit and the pre-emptive excuse for lynching town here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1089047.html#msg1089047) comes off as insincere. Fakeclaim!Watcher as Scum to get the final mislynch for MYLO isn't entirely out of the question and a valid ploy, and "correctly" guessing Dormio as the scum NK target seems nebulous at best. (I personally do not think Dormio was that obvious of a target.)

Raitaki, please clarify: Did you or did you not target Dormio?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Schezo on April 21, 2014, 09:23:56 PM
Votes and the Illusory Garden

CF7 (2): Serela, Raitaki
PX (1): Bardiche
Raitaki (1): CF7

Not Voting: Action Dan, PX, Shadoweh, Zakeri

With 8 left alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
A lot of time left.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 21, 2014, 09:32:48 PM
I didn't target Dormio N2. I thought me targeting Dormio was expected, so I targeted you instead.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 21, 2014, 09:33:09 PM
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Raitaki, please clarify: Did you or did you not target Dormio?
roflmao CF7 I didn't even target Dormio N2. But yeah I have no way to prove that since I was rb'd so eh.

##Vote CF7


oh I got cut gg
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Bardiche on April 21, 2014, 11:49:15 PM
Shadoweh was roleblocked N1, right?

Does anyone want to counter-claim Raitaki's roleblocked status?

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 21, 2014, 11:54:03 PM
That is correct. Uhm. Targetting Bardiche over Dormio is bad, no offense to Bard.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 22, 2014, 12:44:34 AM
Well they roleblocked him anyway (and either killing him or RB'ing him was incredibly predictable so honestly it hardly mattered what he did) so w/e

Shadoweh would you like to I DON'T KNOW COMMENT WHICH ONE YOU THINK SHOULD GET A LYNCHING TO THE FACE?! Literally all we're doing is waiting on input from you, Dan, and PX. Well, Bard might be doing more than that, but I think he's already mostly made his mind up? As long as no one counterclaims roleblocked (which would be incredibly strange, dormio wasn't even his target and he's only a doc so as scum he'd have little reason to lie that he was)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: ActionDan on April 22, 2014, 02:18:43 AM
besides the 1v1? (is it? I haven't read closely) between CF7/Raitaki, I think one of Bard/Shadoweh and then leaves one of Zak/PX. 

ATM leaning Raitaki/Shadoweh.  if Raitaki is scum I'd choose PX as scum with him, if Cf7, Zak.

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 22, 2014, 02:31:58 AM
Honestly I think it's p weird that Bard targetted me with a LIGHT role when I was asking about DARK. :p I would accuse him of being the roleblocker if well, he wasn't in Serela's head. I might be waiting for input from said scummy players too. Well, not Zak really, I just wanted him for his DARKness. I was also waiting for a votecount to see how many votes were on CF7 and if the game would be over yet (would need 1 more townie if town). We don't know if he was roleblocked for sure because it's his word vs CF7 at this point, and if he's scum and planned to claim roleblocked he obviously wouldn't roleblock anyone else.

You wanna test that with a vote, Dan? :> Go ahead and vote for your scumboy if you're not afraid to commit.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 22, 2014, 03:11:27 AM
I was also waiting for a votecount to see how many votes were on CF7 and if the game would be over yet (would need 1 more townie if town)
A.Quickest way to get a votecount is to ask for one
B.We had one right before you posted :C
C.You're waiting for input from said scummy players? Um I think CF7 and Raitaki are already pretty much done duking it out, what are you waiting for?
D.ACTIONDAN YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S A 1v1?! I'm going to cry. Yes, it is.

Shadoweh, Bard is blaming me for being laissez-faire but I could vig you with all the laissez-faire in that post you just made if I was able to give it a corporeal form. Do you have ANY opinion on whether CF7 or Raitaki is scummier to you past "well votecount doesn't confirm them as town or scum" and "the roleshens could go either way"?! Oh my god. :C

Anyway ActionDan, CF7 claimed watcher that saw Raitaki visit Dormio last night. Raitaki claims he was roleblocked and targetted Bard because he figured scum would have assumed he'd target Dormio. I would like to take a second to point out that the claimed doc is the juiciest possible target a watcher could want, since scum is going to roleblock it or kill it, and if it's scum it's probably going to fakeclaim roleblocked, but CF7 says he picked Raitaki. There's also the part where CF7's 524, where he explains why Raitaki is bad, is mostly formed of ridiculous statements like trying to discredit the miller claim as vague and obscure and unbelievable, trying to say Raitaki's doc claim was made in a oh-you-caught-me-as-lying-scum reactionary manner, playing an understandable-from-town vote as scummy lazy misrep, and I could keep going on but you get my point.

^really anyone who thinks raitaki is scummier than cf7 in this 1v1 should read that

shadoweh you come back here and give me an opinion right now >:C
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 22, 2014, 03:13:40 AM
SCHEZO YOU SPELLED RAITAKI WRONG

SHADOWEH, DAN, I WANT REACTIONS TO THE 1V1

PX WHERE ARE YOU IT'S BEEN FOREVER

>:C
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 22, 2014, 03:15:15 AM
And yes, Dan's post doesn't count because if he doesn't even realize it's a 1v1 he definitely hasn't paid a satisfactory amount of attention to the immediate events. Thankfully my post gives a crappy but serviceable amount of catchup on that and a post reference for where to get his own opinion about it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 22, 2014, 03:19:08 AM
I made a typo in that paragraph saying cf7 picked raitaki as his target but he picked dormio, it's not too hard to realize that I got it wrong given the context but yeah.

I need to go to bed within an hour so I hope you people don't take too long :C But I guess I can always post in the morning instead.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 22, 2014, 03:27:51 AM
I definitely have an opinion on which one is scummier.
I am also definitely  laissez-faire this game. My brain is detached from the part oof me that thinks good :D
Those also aren't the scummy players I'm talking about. I still think Dan is scum.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 22, 2014, 03:31:42 AM
if you have an opinion

then can you please tell us

seriously. ;_;

You don't have to VOTE them and help end the day, just TELL US WHAT IT IS ;______________;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 22, 2014, 03:32:41 AM
no
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 22, 2014, 03:40:27 AM
I

I

I

##unvote ##vote shadoweh
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 22, 2014, 03:50:25 AM
oh stop that. :V I'm not in the 1 vs 1 that's getting lynched today. You will not combust if I don't tell you who I think is scum.
For the sake of it being visible though I'll go tell Zakeri so you can see it postgame. :>
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 22, 2014, 03:56:55 AM
chaore is sad I wasn't asking for a modkill when I told him to save me from this town
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Schezo on April 22, 2014, 04:02:00 AM
One more outburst like that Serela and I'm getting the belt
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 22, 2014, 05:02:47 AM
At last count it's 4 people in favor of lynching me and 3 people in favor of lynching CF7, even if PX still thinks I'm town that's still a 50-50 split, shit
I would try making better/more cases if there wasn't so much stuff to do for school ; v;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: PX on April 22, 2014, 06:31:17 AM
Wtf happened to everybody fullclaiming?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 22, 2014, 06:58:18 AM
1. Action Dan <-- Comp Day 1 killer
2. Raitaki <-- Miller doc who was r/b last night
3. Raikaria <-- lol he's dead
4. Serela <-- GRRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT
5. CF7 <-- Wood Watcher who targetted Dormio and Dan
6. PX <-- Batman
9. Shadoweh <-- Dark Magician Girl DARK Neighbourizor
10. Zakeri <-- Dark VT
12. Bardiche <-- Light something LIGHT Neighbourizor
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: PX on April 22, 2014, 07:05:48 AM
Great claims people. We don't know anybody's character, element, etc.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 22, 2014, 07:21:38 AM
:V If it matters that much to you mine's name is ECO DUMPTY ALMA and it's JUST DARK.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Bardiche on April 22, 2014, 10:28:24 AM
(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/666.png)Are you for real? Are you really my sister?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 22, 2014, 10:34:36 AM
She does have ears kind of like that one, but I have no idea where her little image like that is <_<
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 22, 2014, 11:38:37 AM
(http://i60.tinypic.com/14ae7mp.png) Why, My dearest Partner in Crime, have you considered searching the Puzzle and Dragon's Wiki?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 22, 2014, 11:50:04 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/PWyJT3l.png) But you can't admire any of my delicious candy from this angle! ...Ah well. Serela, listen to the free-floating chocolate bars and bon bons and remove your vote this instant! The power of DARK compels you! ...Wait that makes me sound evil, nevermind. The power of wanting to catch the scum instead of being a derp compels you!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 22, 2014, 01:34:19 PM
I'll pretend i've never seen that.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 22, 2014, 02:27:18 PM
PX is around and talking and ~*~also~*~ can't as much as say which person he's more in favor of lynching. ;_;

Nothing has happened in the past 16 hours, even though all three of the people we need to hear from posted during that time. So depressing. :C

And no, PX hasn't provided an opinion on them beforehand since the three people he cased as scum today were Dan, Bard, and PoE Zak. Not so much as mentioning CF7/Raitaki at this point in favor of complaining about the lack of fullclaims (when all that's missing is pointless names because FLAVOR WILL GET YOU NOWHERE and elements that are probably more likely to be able to help scum than town, and everyone has actually already claimed except maybe Zak who Shadoweh just claimed for due to qt shens) is mmph

Shadoweh stubbornly refusing to give a statement on it ~*~just because she feels like it~*~ is also WHY.

You could argue Dan said he thought Raitaki is scummier than CF7, but he also wasn't even sure if a 1v1 was happening or not, so I can't put much stock into that. It's MYLO so we need an INFORMED DECISION here ;_; (Although, again, all you should really need to realize CF7 is scum is to look at his #524 where he sums up all the reasons he says Raitaki is scummy)

Anyway, in the realm of claims, people should probably go ahead and out if they're light or dark if they haven't already, for the sake of helping the neighbourizors being able to provide proof of actions each night. Not that -I'm- interested much in lynching either in the future, but other people don't exactly feel the same way. Raitaki is light and PX is Dark, so there's something, even if Raitaki is most likely getting a bullet to the face tonight. Actually that ONLY LEAVES DAN for not being confirmed to be part light or dark, so.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 22, 2014, 02:30:47 PM
PX:We didn't claim character names and elements? Really doesn't matter. Who do you want to LYNCH TO THE FACE? It's mylo!
Shadoweh:I WILL HURT YOU
Dan:Claim if you're part light or part dark (I don't even care about any other element you may have, if anyone DOES want to know they're probably scum!) and at the least use CF7's #524 craziness to help decide if you really do think CF7's thought process in this 1v1 against Raitaki is really a town one or not.

##unvote ##Vote CF7
Because this is SRS BIZNIZ
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: PX on April 22, 2014, 04:17:01 PM
I guess CF7. I have been thinking it over this whole time. No lynch is still an option. So is lynching Dan
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Chaore on April 22, 2014, 04:23:15 PM
Votes and the Illusory Garden

CF7 (2): Serela, Raitaki
PX (1): Bardiche
Raitaki (1): CF7
ActionDan (1): PX

Not Voting: Action Dan, Shadoweh, Zakeri

With 8 left alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
36 hours remain, as it is only MYLO and not LYLO.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: PX on April 22, 2014, 04:46:03 PM
Hey, when did I ever unvote >:(

According to Schezo, you were never voting!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 22, 2014, 04:55:31 PM
Poor Serela. The Perils of being the only obv town in the game.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Bardiche on April 22, 2014, 05:17:55 PM
(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/666.png)I think Serela's really on top of his game, and the rest of us are just ROFLOLing around.

@MOD: You haven't consistently posted elements: You did post elements for DREAD DRAGON USELESS FUMA but not for the others, could you clarify whether this is intentional or oversight, and if the latter, correct it by sharing with us the elements of the dead?

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/666.png)Cop being targettable by my ability makes my power rather strong, so I'm a bit curious why the significantly weaker Watcher would be Wood element and thus elude both Shadoweh and my neighbourising. I don't think it's exactly a lie (that'd be somewhat Farfetch'd) but I'm leaning to disbelieving CF7 on grounds of not exactly making much of a case. Some parts of his case are stretching and cavort in the realm of fantasy, and with a flipped Cop (or two) it makes it a little harder to believe we'd have so incredibly much power as Town. We have evidence that Town had a Cop and a Universal Backup, where the Cop could be neighbourised by me. And I can neighbourise as many people as I want!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Chaore on April 22, 2014, 05:38:17 PM
Elements ARE supposed to have been flipped too, inconsistency on this is mod error (Though to be honest, they are completely unchanged from source material). I blame Schezo.

To clarify.

Vrita: Dark/Dark
Fuu: Light
Shiva: Red/Dark
Fuuma: Light
Yomi and Venus: BOTH light/light and Dark/Dark.

Edit: The Dragon Machine itself, pre-rolling was Non-Elemental.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Bardiche on April 22, 2014, 05:57:55 PM
(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/666.png)So the only non-Dark AND non-Light entity is the claimed Watcher. Gaming the setup, but is there anyone else who'd like to claim being only one element that is neither Light nor Dark?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 22, 2014, 05:59:02 PM
My guess is that there's none.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 22, 2014, 06:06:53 PM
(http://i60.tinypic.com/14ae7mp.png)I don't know, Deary, I feel suspicious of the idea that most of the decent arguments put up against CF7 so far are heavily role-based. The fact that none of us can recruit the claimed Watcher into our quicktopics sits uneasy as a reason for why he may be scum.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Bardiche on April 22, 2014, 06:15:01 PM
(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/666.png)My reasons are also grounded here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16682.msg1089657.html#msg1089657) in that his reasoning for his lynch targets are weak. Dormio as the NK target was a nebulous guess because Dormio force-lynched the Cop.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 22, 2014, 06:20:15 PM
Actually, going further than that, is there anyone who claims to have an element that is not Light, Dark or a color?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 22, 2014, 06:21:14 PM
Dormio as the NK target was a nebulous guess because Dormio force-lynched the Cop.
Dormio as the NK target is actually quite an easy guess, but that's beyond the point.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 22, 2014, 07:18:38 PM
Just stating this in advance, in case no one claims to not have either Light or Dark among their elements, or that one of their elements is neither Light, Dark or a color, then I'll present that as another argument that CF7 is scum. That'd give him 3 discrepancies in his flavor (not PAD, no Dark/Light, element outside of Dark/Light/some color) compared to my 1 discrepancy (not PAD).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 22, 2014, 09:35:50 PM
Do you have an element, Raitiki?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 22, 2014, 09:47:34 PM
Yeah, I'm Green/Light. Mentioned this 2 pages back, and I think when I claimed flavor D1 too?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 22, 2014, 10:41:41 PM
Yeah but that would require reading that far back!
So, on top of having a last minute gguilty, CF7 is the only person who isn't neighbourizable. :/
The thing is I still don't think CF7 is scum. I think it's weird for him to bring up Megatokyo meta on Sky P in Day 1 if he's trying to make cases that please other people, no one else would be thiniking about it, but it's a point that from a town perspective you'd think to mention. Ugh. I am so not into this game.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 22, 2014, 11:10:02 PM
God fuck it.
##Vote: CF7
LIVE BY THE SERELA, DIE BY THE SERELA
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: PX on April 22, 2014, 11:22:55 PM
##Unvote
# #Vote CF7


I guess we're going for it
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 22, 2014, 11:23:17 PM
##Unvote
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 22, 2014, 11:24:35 PM
What, really? You waited until after I voted to do that? :|
You can sit there and see if the other two are scum then.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: PX on April 22, 2014, 11:32:58 PM
I just got back from work, wtf do you want me to do
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 22, 2014, 11:38:02 PM
Well, committing is a good start. The only indication you wanted to lynch CF7 earlier was that one post tho. It is just.. very uncomforting timing for me to see. But hey, if the only way to encourage votes is to do the voting thing.. I am so close to not caring and just revoting anyways even if I'm paranoid. But I'm not that kind of girl~
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 22, 2014, 11:38:23 PM
You could try not being scum~
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 22, 2014, 11:44:52 PM
But no, Seriously, between the timing and the lack of foretelling, it's kind of bad looking - like who else is online that could have hammered?
Granted it's not as bad as if it was on Raitaki, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 12:06:51 AM
Which one was that at, Zak? The second post, I mean
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 12:36:11 AM
I'll just guess that was Shadoweh. PX did say he was leaning more CF7 at the top of the page and was townreading me earlier. Also, we only have about a little over 24 hours left I think? I want to urge town to settle with one of the two options and lynch, not really a point to NL, as long as both me and CF7 are alive scum would probably just roleblock me (or CF7, depending on who you believe) and shoot one of the neighborizers anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 23, 2014, 12:43:00 AM
It was at PX. Shadoweh is super town, second only to Serela and probably myself.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 12:45:32 AM
Also in case CF7 gets lynched and turns out to be a roleblocker, I would like to point out that considering flips up to now including his Wood-element claim there's a good chance the two neighborizers can combine and cop by targeting the same person and see if they are neither Dark nor Light. No one else claimed they were neither Dark nor Light, so if you guys catch one they were lying and probably scum
That applies even if I flip scum except for CF7, but lol I know he's scum
It's also possible that they'd just roleblock/succeed at killing on of you tonight anyways, so I'd like to ask everyone to claim their elements NOW
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 12:47:24 AM
Just putting down because let's face it, the not-scum-flipper between me and CF7, Bard and Shadoweh are probably scum's top lynching priorities barring trying to juke the watch/doc right now, I don't think saying this hurts the neighborizer's chances of surviving the night any
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 23, 2014, 12:50:56 AM
This is easily defeated by the fact that technically nobody ever has to lie about what their alignment is. If scum thought to do that, and if CF7 was scum, then why didn't CF7 do it (bonus points: The rest of the scum would have the same reason if you do come up with one).
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: PX on April 23, 2014, 12:52:40 AM
I'm confused, are you implying I'm scum for voting CF7 to L-1 when you think he's also scum, and I'm trying to quickhammer him except nobody else is on to quickhammer?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 23, 2014, 12:53:45 AM
I somehow doubt that in a game with a cop and a backup that the two neighbours are also a cop. <_<
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 23, 2014, 12:54:29 AM
There really isn't a point to no-lynching. Rules don't even say scum has to make a kill at night, which on the offchance cf7 was a town watcher (not that I think there's a good chance Raitaki would get lynched) would be the only helpful point. Also lol PX saying lynching Dan is an option when we have a clear 1v1 :V

Anyway, Zakeri; um, no, the case against cf7 is NOT based on his role? Very recently there's some "but he has no light/dark" reasoning but I think that's a BS thing to say he's scummy for; CF7 is scummy because of things he actually did and not because of whatever he claimed was in his rolepm.

Re:The most recent Raitaki post. I don't think people would really bother lying about their element... the discussion of "oh man people who aren't part light or dark are scummy" is both silly and only just occurred right now, after just about everyone already element-claimed. Most people already element claimed before the neighbor shenanigans were even out, I... think? Anyway, regardless of how you look at it, if you follow it to the conclusion then it comes down to "this doesn't seem solid". It's best to just have the neighborizors try to target legit targets to prove they did something that wasn't block or kill people. Even then, I doubt either are scum, so.

Anyway the neighborizors aren't dying tonight... if we lynch cf7 and the game doesn't end we kind of have a ~*~nigh-confirmed-town-doc~*~ on our hands.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 23, 2014, 12:57:00 AM
also lol shadoweh freaking out when she votes cf7 and then someone else who said they'd more or less decided on him also decides to get on the wagon
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 01:00:46 AM
I guess it's also possible one of them is somehow scum neighborizer, but in that case they'd have to spill their results. If they claim rb'd, then me/CF7 must not flip roleblocker and scum must either not rb one night or shoot CF7/rb AND shoot me, and that's kind of a free safe night for the town neighborizer. If they claim they tried neighborizing a person who claimed to not have their element, or one of me/CF7/Bard/Shadoweh, we can just go "wtf you on why do that" and lynch.

@Zak: CF7's flavor claim happened before the revelation about everyone being neighborizable and before the mod revealed the elements of the dead people. It's entirely possible that right now they realize that not having Light or Dark is probably taboo and shutting up about it to not get singled out. Basically, a whole new vital incentive for lying about elements popped up after CF7 claimed.

@Shadoweh: This is based on interaction with flavor, maybe Chaore didn't expect flavor to turn out to be game-deciding? :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 23, 2014, 01:03:41 AM
Nearly everyone's elements (at least to the point of being part dark or light) were claimed before this happened, Raitaki.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 23, 2014, 01:07:03 AM
anyway tl;dr I really don't think think there's anything useful to be gained from elementspec past Shadoweh/Bard being able to use neighboring to help confirm they didn't murder people at night.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 01:10:19 AM
ugh shit nvm. I just realized scum can just roleblock the town neighborizer and have the scum neighborizer lie about someone claiming the wrong element to get a mislynch if we do this. for this to work we need both neighborizers to be town ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 23, 2014, 01:15:44 AM
I really doubt all the scum are neighbor-immune.

The most realistic scenario is no one lied about their element.

And that means the scum wouldn't even care about roleblocking after the doc is dead.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 01:17:04 AM
I guess we can totally tell them to do it anyway if we're really that desperate for something to break the nullfest, but that seems so freaking risky. Especially since now that I've thought of these shens I think one of the neighborizers is likely a scum.

@Serela: We're at MyLo, nearly all is very different from all. I don't recall PX and Dan claiming if they're Light/Dark or neither (though PX pretty claimed to be one of those through his silence). It's possible that scum is both of them, or one of them + one of the neighborizers. Sure, there might be seem to be no reason to lie about elements, but a) that was before CF7 turned out to be the only known person to be neither Light/Dark, and b) scum would have seen this coming earlier, possibly WAY earlier if Bard is scum (not pointing fingers, hypothesis).

serela after the doc is dead = either LyLo or game has ended :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 23, 2014, 01:20:47 AM
Dan is the only one who hasn't element claimed IIRC, PX claimed dark/dark when he said he was batman at the beginning of the day. Besides, it'd be a really weird thing to make all the scum neighbor-immune.

And what does that matter, we're already there >:V You're the one talking about situations where the scum goes around trying to roleblock the supposed cop-neighbourizer and then lie about someone's element to try to mislynch.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 23, 2014, 01:52:59 AM
So anyway, 5 people want CF7 lynched and then Dan is... Dan, and Zakeri doesn't seem to understand what's going on.

We can either get a move on and lynch CF7, or you guys can keep hoping for Dan to make a cool post, which he could always do tomorrow anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 02:09:08 AM
I'm not saying scum is all neighbor-immune (see also: "one of the neighborizer can be scum"), but I'm saying it IS possible that there is a neighbor-immune person, and since no one claimed it they're a liar, ergo probably scum. Also, I gave it another thought, and I realized this might still work if roleblocker is lynched today. @Mod: If a neighborizer successfully neighborizes multiple people, do they all share the same neighbor QT, or does the neighborizer get one QT for each neighbor?
Oh I see. Still, don't see any reason more flavor claims would hurt town, so it'd be great if Dan completed the circle :V
Also, besides, if you guys don't believe my "neighborizers might be able to find scum" theory, there's no harm in AT LEAST having the neighborizers decide on someone for them both to target. I don't see how being able to get QTs with more people really helps at this point.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 02:09:58 AM
It'd be nice if both neighborizers can also PM the mod asking the same if he doesn't feel like answering to me
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 23, 2014, 02:14:02 AM
Even if we did try to use the neighbors as cops it'd be kind of pointless to target them both on the same person, we don't have any dark/lights other than dead-as-a-doorknob Dormio :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 23, 2014, 02:14:24 AM
aka they may as well just go as normally planned anyway
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 23, 2014, 02:17:51 AM
##Vote: CF7
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 23, 2014, 02:18:26 AM
I ddidn't have a plan actually, other then to find someone and see if they could tell me what's going on
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Chaore on April 23, 2014, 02:24:05 AM
Genbu is tired. Genbu wants to sleep. But Genbu must votecount.

CF7 (4): Serela, Raitaki, PX, Shadoweh
PX (1): Bardiche
Raitaki (1): CF7

Not Voting: Action Dan, Zakeri

It takes 5 to lynch. CF7 IS AT L-1.

26 hours remain.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 02:26:25 AM
oh goddamnit, I just realized we don't have enough people to be able to afford one mislynch in case the scum neighborizer decides to fake a failure on someone who claimed to be an eligible target for them >_>

And Serela I was thinking along the lines of, the other people in the neighbors' QTs can confirm if the target get added to the QT or not. If the answer is no for both, we lynch that person, and if they flip town we lynch the neighborizer who should have been able to neighborize them. But then we don't have the ability to mislynch right now so tears
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 23, 2014, 02:32:00 AM
Are you implying the scum would pretend to be neighbors with eachother or something? Because otherwise obviously both the neighborizor and the claimed neighbor wouldn't both lie that they're together.

Really, I don't understand how this kind of shenanigan would be helpful :V This is even when assuming that scum lied about being light or dark, BEFORE cf7 claimed being neither, far before anyone would have thought it weird in the first place. And if the game lasted long enough to be relevant that'd mean more than one of the scum is neighbor-immune (but no townies are) because ?????. Really, it just doesn't add up in any direction.

But yeah I suppose we're waiting on Bard to hammer, or anyone who feels like giving up on the Raitaki lynch who wanted that one instead.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 02:36:13 AM
Well, town having no mislynches left pretty much finalized the fact that this thing can't work anymore, so I'll stop talking about it for now ; v; I'm totally up for discussing this postgame though, at least in the context of this game. I'm still pretty convinced that this would totally work if the following 3 conditions are all true: a) town can afford mislynch, b) there is no scum roleblocker (left) and c) members of a neighbor QT other than the neighborizer can confirm if a new person was neighborized into that QT or not.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 23, 2014, 02:38:00 AM
it'd still only "work" if scum actually lied about their element to pretend to be neighbourizable when they aren't :V It'd more more sense for 2/3 scum to just be neighbor-compatible.

Although I'm mildly amused you didn't realize until now that we have no mislynches left... when it's been mylo all day
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 02:39:38 AM
In my head I was like "hey if I prevented a NK tonight town can totally afford mislynch and this could totally work!" but then oh wait in that case it's possible the last scum is a neighborizer and telling scum to cop themselves is :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 02:40:42 AM
Wait, or we can just try having them neighborize same person tonight anyway and see if I can buy town one mislynch
RAITAKI STOP CONFUSING ME
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 23, 2014, 02:48:26 AM
scum is probably just going to roleblock+nightkill you if cf7 isn't a scum rb.

And again, they really don't need to target the same person to check if someone lied...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 02:53:36 AM
Hey so now that's a possibility, let's continue!
I'm not saying being neighborizable clears someone as town, but just that it IS possible that one person might be immune and they would be lying (it really doesn't matter why, they lied in a way that affects the performances of our confirmed PRs). Also scum pretending to be neighbors is also totally a possible thing if saying otherwise can mean they're exposed. Oh yeah speaking of I've been hypothesizing under the assumption that unless we have a surefire way of confirming the truth they can totally lie and get away with it, but we might still decide to lynch one of the scum involved in the lie for one reason or another and have the evidence to go "hey, this proves person Y was lying about the whole thing all along" and lynch the last scum. Easy LyLo easy life \o/

And sheesh can we just try it anyway and see what happens? Again, I don't see how neighborizing any specific person would harm town in anyway, so why not just try it and see if that combined with the new flips enlighten us on anything?

cut: Recently I did say "wait this only works if CF7 is roleblocker"
And also derp I suppose. Somehow I was thinking a Light claiming Dark or vice versa was a thing >_>
That actually makes it easier. That means both PX and Dan can get checked tonight if Dan turns out to be Light!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 02:54:04 AM
**claims to be
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 02:56:52 AM
Wow, rethinking this the only non-neighbored people left would be me, PX and Dan. Shadoweh is probably gonna target PX, and Bard would probably target Dan anyway since he doesn't want me. I guess the only thing that matters is seeing how this turns out and maybe convince you guys tomorrow if it incriminates someone and it's not MyLo C: Well Bard with that said please don't neighborize me tonight
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 02:57:20 AM
This hereby concludes my plot to keep Bard from figuring out that I'm not Green/Light as claimed
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 02:58:31 AM
Man it'd be awful if I can't come up with something like this in some future game and people go "Raitaki didn't do what he usually does near endgame every time as town, LYNCH HIM"
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 23, 2014, 02:58:45 AM
Don't do it Serela

It's not worth it

Excuse me while I go eat dinner
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: ActionDan on April 23, 2014, 03:41:01 AM
I'd rather no lynch. I see no point not to actually.   Also I am pretty down in spirits so it's been a tough couple of days
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 23, 2014, 03:45:31 AM
errr if we do that, whichever one of us is town between me and CF7 would just be roleblocked and scum would just shoot one of the neighborizers. Nothing gained, one person lost.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 23, 2014, 03:52:21 AM
Yeah there's literally no reason to no-lynch in this case. It's not like there's even any discussion going on since over a day ago. Me humoring Raitaki's roleshen spec doesn't count.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Serela on April 23, 2014, 03:55:33 AM
no lynch basically just means "okay let's wait another several IRL days for nothing to happen and then we probably lynch cf7 anyway".

There's also the part where Bard will surely hammer the l-1 wagon by the time deadline would actually hit, rather then force a no-lynch. At this point hoping for any other outcome than a CF7 lynch is pretty much a lost cause, unless you had some compelling case on Raitaki being scum.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Shadoweh on April 23, 2014, 05:42:58 AM
No lynching at the beginning of the day would have been okay.
No lynching now when there is an L-1 wagon on a 1 vs 1 is not going to happen.
Dan, just pretend to be scum and hammer CF7, the entire scum team is not on him right now.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 23, 2014, 08:02:28 AM
I think i'll save you all the trouble and do it myself.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 23, 2014, 08:05:50 AM
Well, i tried and i failed. And in the end, i'd say it was quite fun. And totally worth it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: PX on April 23, 2014, 08:08:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yw1Tgj9-VU
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 23, 2014, 08:12:03 AM
##Unvote
##Vote CF7
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Schezo on April 23, 2014, 08:12:50 AM
You're all a bunch of fruits.

No more talking
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: CF7 on April 23, 2014, 08:16:47 AM
BAH
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 3 MYLO
Post by: Chaore on April 23, 2014, 05:11:29 PM
LYNCH HAS BEEN REACHED

CF7 (5): Serela, Raitaki, PX, Shadoweh, CF7
PX (1): Bardiche

Not Voting: Action Dan, Zakeri

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/750.png) Hmgh...? Oh. Flavor?






(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/750.png) She was actually a creepy fox lady from another game who was rude. Also scum. Flavor over! (and dormio probably aroused)

CF7 was FOX QUEEN DAJI, from Tower of Saviors- Possibly one of the better PAD clones, but still one that is overall of poor quality. Such a shame.

(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131104152709/towerofsaviors/images/2/27/Pet230.png)

They had ONE ability.

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Time Tunnel: During the night phase you may trap another player in an endless repetition of time, incapacitating them and making them unable to do anything during the night.

Their element was unchanged from their natural habitat, and still DARK.

As such, the game continues.

Night 3 Begins. THE REAL PUZZLE AND DRAGONS MAFIA BEGINS HERE.

24 hours remain.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Night 3
Post by: Chaore on April 24, 2014, 05:08:21 PM
A new day opens, and another adorable companion is missing.

That's right.

Bardiche, playing ECO TINY ALMA has died overnight.

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/666.jpg)

Bardiche's element was light, and they had the ability to neighbourize people of the same element.

Alas, poor Bardiche, we knew ye well.

With 6 alive, it takes four to lynch. It is now MYLO.

The day ends on April 27th, 10 PM.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: ActionDan on April 24, 2014, 05:24:04 PM
so team is PX/Zak? That's really all I can imagine unless Shenanighans
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Raitaki on April 24, 2014, 05:24:19 PM
Noooo Chaore I take back that #Undoc ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 24, 2014, 05:41:51 PM
Raitaki excooz me?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 24, 2014, 06:15:56 PM
Anyway, while I wait for Raitaki to respond, who would believe me if I said Bard had been sheeping me? B)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Raitaki on April 24, 2014, 06:17:31 PM
Nothing much, I'm just salty I changed my mind about doccing Bard this morning ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Shadoweh on April 24, 2014, 06:28:21 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/PWyJT3l.png)  Noooo! Not my little sis! You monsters! Although it would be amusing if my entire current neighbourhood were scum, I imagine there's at least one light.. Might actually read this game later. Hang in there Serela!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 24, 2014, 06:32:08 PM
Shadoweh you're useless.

Raitaki, who -did- you doc?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Raitaki on April 24, 2014, 06:57:04 PM
Shadoweh ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: ActionDan on April 24, 2014, 06:57:46 PM
I'm the only light/light left shadoweh >:(. 

This message brought by Kirin
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: ActionDan on April 24, 2014, 07:00:01 PM
Anyway.

Let's nolynch
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 24, 2014, 07:06:08 PM
Dan I really don't know what you expect to learn from a no lynch

Also Bard did try to neighborize you last night. But, his death ended the QT session, so.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 24, 2014, 08:04:45 PM
Okay I was going to ask Chaore in irc but he's not been around so w/e

@Chaore:Are scum allowed to no-kill at night?

Because really, if we no-lynched, that'd be their best option if they weren't terrified of Raitaki or Shadoweh. No matter how night actions go, even a scum!Raitaki has ways to respond on day start that would be reasonable from town. Unless -maybe- if scum are confirmed to have to NK there's nothing to gain from no-lynch.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 24, 2014, 08:14:08 PM
Paranoia response:Dan wants no-lynch because it seems innocent enough during mylo and in actuality scum has some cool PR they want to use again. (The logic part of my brain says "what kind of role would they even REALLY want to use at this point?")

It's annoying that all I have to go on for Dan's alignment is "Well, he advocated lynching Raitaki over CF7... when he was admitting to not knowing what was going on at the time." which is depressingly realistic from town!dan, and the Raitaki over CF7 could be very well explained by not being properly up-to-date on stuff.

Dan why do you have to have meta of "does almost nothing and doesn't adequately read the game"? If you're town again this game I'm going to start wondering why people even let you /in anymore, because this is Really Uncool. I know you said you've been having a tough time lately, but seriously, you do this -almost all the time-. ;_;

Anyway, I need to reread PX. Would lynch Zakeri based off of his actions yesterday about the 1v1. It's hard to imagine someone seriously having those reactions to CF7's arguments, and the only thing making me consider otherwise is that it seems like even scum would have given up and bussed CF7 near the end there rather than proclaimed the case on him was mostly role shenanigans... which weren't really a factor at ALL apart from the 1v1 stuff, I think he said that before people even started really bringing up the element stuff. Town!Zakeri is the person who defended NNR and voted Schezo when Schezo claimed a cop guilty on him and NNR responded with "BUT I ROLEBLOCKED YOU LAST NIGHT SO YOU COULDN'T HAVE, SCUM!", so this would have some kind of precedence, but... yeah, d3 is really incriminating for Zak.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 24, 2014, 08:18:48 PM
Anyway, I think my preferred lynch for the day is Zakeri.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Chaore on April 24, 2014, 09:27:48 PM
(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/750.png)Interesting question!

Scum may not refuse to send out a kill.

If they do, the night kill will be picked out of a hat.

That includes scum.


This will be appended to the rules, starting immediately.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Raitaki on April 24, 2014, 09:54:28 PM
Eh, I still don't wanna NL. If we lynch scum today and I successfully doc someone's ass tonight without NL'ing we'd be able to have one extra mislynch to find the last scum.
I'll look at yesterday's shens and see if anyone looked extra scummy. For a start, I think I'd like Zak to explain how the things CF7 quoted from me were "possible scumslips".
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 24, 2014, 11:44:23 PM
For a start, I think I'd like Zak to explain how the things CF7 quoted from me were "possible scumslips".
And also why the case on CF7 (AT THE TIME THAT ZAK STATED IT WAS, I know people went off the deep end with elements afterwards) was so-called mostly based on role shenanigans in Zakeri's eyes.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 12:01:49 AM
Okay yeah I went back and rechecked it, I think the only time anyone mentioned the elements thing is limited to a couple posts directly before Zakeri says
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I don't know, Deary, I feel suspicious of the idea that most of the decent arguments put up against CF7 so far are heavily role-based.
, even though that was a long time after more than one person had made IMO strong cases against cf7 that were completely unrelated to his role, including Bard who was the one to mention the element thing as an aside.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Shadoweh on April 25, 2014, 03:49:08 AM
I think we should no-lynch because Raitaki is scum.
Someone asked for wagon analysis, here's a scan of Day 1: Before that nonsense where Sky Paladin got drunk which caused him to be blind to my majesty, Raitaki and CF7 were competing wagons. CF7 avoided the fuck out of voting Raitaki to the point of stalling until Sky P blundered and jumping on there.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 04:15:29 AM
I keep revisiting the possibility of Raitaki scum (it's in my neighbor QT) and I keep telling myself he must be town and justifying it in various ways, but then I keep coming back again and again, and then fucking Bard died over Raitaki and I stopped even trying to justify it and decided to just laissez-faire and see how things went on the subject.

Lo and behold, hi Shadoweh!

If we no-lynch though, we're still not really going to get anywhere with that kind of reasoning. Do you think scum is going to kill My Little Mislynch? That's part of the reason I kind of avoided talking about it even whilst Bard got nightkilled for some strange, strange reason.

Zak is even more likely scum, though, so.

PX has felt gut-town for no real reason in particular, to the point of which I never bothered mentioning it because even as far as gut goes it didn't seem like something worth caring about, and I know about dem gutreads.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 25, 2014, 04:17:52 AM
After reading in depth, I'd have to say that I think Raitaki and Shadoweh are both very unlikely to be scum, especially since they shared a moment at the beginning of day three discussing the roleblocked message. It would require a level of planning that would require asking for that information from the mod, and I don't think the three people that I can assume would be involved (Shadoweh/Raitaki and CF7) would actually do it.

Even going back through all of CF7's posts knowing he was slinging bullshit, it still doesn't read like slinging bullshit to me. He pointed out two things that looked like scumslips to me at the time (although once I read the exchange over the roleblock message I decided the exact opposite happened) and piled with my day one scumslips from him, It seemed like a bigger case to me than it really was.

I had also completely missed that people were making cases on CF7 that didn't involve his element or the fact that Watcher wouldn't fit into the setup. In my reread, I saw Bard linking to a post he made that was actually a case, but the truth was I never saw that post or the link to that post when I was reading through the first time. It's an oversight on my part that lead me into a continuing confirmation bias against Raitaki.

I feel like No Lynching is a terrible idea, not just from the fact that it's a bad idea in general, but also because Dan and PX seem to keep pushing it for no explainable reason. Dan Just above said it's his preferred option, and in PX's 572, He offers NL as a cursory option as if wanting to test other people's reaction towards it while voting CF7.

I don't think I follow along with the reasoning that Raitaki is scum because CF7 decided to dismiss all of the votes against Raitaki instead of OMGuSing him. A lot of the votes against Raitaki were unpopular, and he was only a Miller at that time, not a doctor, so he was low priority for scum. I think CF7 was going for brownie points at the time by discounting all of the weak votes as scum motivated.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 04:20:56 AM
Cut by huge Zak post, but I just reread the d1 stuff myself. I can see where Shadoweh is seeing Raitaki incrimination by CF7, and there -is- something there, but I don't know how solid it is to warrant lynching Raitaki after everything else or not.

Maybe no-lynching is real? Shadoweh would probably die though. But obviously she's the only decent target for a doc, if Raitaki isn't scum. But even more obviously Raitaki should be dying >_>; It's funny that Bard got nightkilled when he's in the QT asking me to waffle at him as assistance. But yeah, i'unno. Maybe no-lynching isn't such a bad idea after all. I'll read Zak's post now!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 25, 2014, 04:21:40 AM
If we no-lynch though, we're still not really going to get anywhere with that kind of reasoning. Do you think scum is going to kill My Little Mislynch? That's part of the reason I kind of avoided talking about it even whilst Bard got nightkilled for some strange, strange reason.

Zak is even more likely scum, though, so.

I'm telling you, only Scum and Shadoweh want to No Lynch. And I think Shadoweh wants to do it because if Raitaki was scum, She'd be the only NK-able townie.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 04:27:14 AM
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I'd have to say that I think Raitaki and Shadoweh are both very unlikely to be scum, especially since they shared a moment at the beginning of day three discussing the roleblocked message.
Obviously if one of them is scum they would know the flavor around the roleblocking method, and it wouldn't be hard to ask the mod what it looked like either if they were going to pretend to be roleblocked.

But yeah, Zakeri is here playing the more reasonable, not-gambit-filled voice speaking against the Raitaki lynch that I already had in my head. It would be more reasonable if that was the case, wouldn't it? How I wish to believe. :C

Honestly the most unpleasant thing about considering no-lynch is that we have to sit for 24 hours while we wait for night to end again. Boring.

Zakeri missing the posts with cases makes a lot more sense to me then scum trying to discredit cf7 cases and trying to justify lynching the other guy, at that point. But it still seems bad how he agreed with CF7 the first time.

I'm clearing Dan based on role garbage because he doesn't exist and there's nothing to go on, and it's annoying.

I feel like no matter where I turn, I'm going to have to give in and make a "I'm giving up and going all in, let's pray that it's right" lynch. :C
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 04:28:08 AM
I'll no-lynch but only if Chaore promises to end night after he gets a check-in message from all players.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 04:34:02 AM
I'll no-lynch but only if Chaore promises to end night after he gets a check-in message from all players.
Chaore said if everyone agrees he'll do it!

Raitaki, target Shadoweh or I'll [REDACTED]. There is no "Since scum assumed I'd target her, I doc'd someone else!" response coming tomorrow or I will lynch you in the face. <3 Dan and PX are both really mislynchable and you dying would be a relief, so just go with the solid outcome.

##Vote:No Lynch

I decided this is a good idea. Scum cannot kill Shadoweh even if Raitaki is scum, because we'd murder him for it. Scum RB'er already dead and this isn't role madness or anything weird. PX, Dan, or Raitaki dying are all agreeable outcomes. Win/win/win?

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 04:35:54 AM
or zak, I forgot to mention zak getting nk'd is okay

In the end there's still going to be a 2/3 pick with a townie bomb we don't want to hit like a bad game of minesweeper, but scum is going to be forced to kill someone who is ACTUALLY MISLYNCHABLE, so this works out well.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 25, 2014, 04:38:48 AM
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Obviously if one of them is scum they would know the flavor around the roleblocking method, and it wouldn't be hard to ask the mod what it looked like either if they were going to pretend to be roleblocked.

The hard part isn't getting an answer from the mod, it's thinking far enough ahead to fakeclaim being roleblocked and using that detail. People already agreed at the start of the thread that Shadoweh wouldn't bother, although I guess it's not out of the question if Raitaki had to fake it.

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But it still seems bad how he agreed with CF7 the first time.
I still kind of agree with CF7, although I don't know if that makes it worse or not.

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I'm clearing Dan based on role garbage because he doesn't exist and there's nothing to go on, and it's annoying.
The problem with the Role garbage is that it's kind of garbage. His actions fit in more with scum fake-claiming the day one compulisive part of the role than with town having no choice but to fire.

Cut: ...uhh, that sounds way too reasonable, actually. I would definitely rather get NKed than lynched anyway.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: PX on April 25, 2014, 04:39:29 AM
Honestly, I don't know what to think at this point so I'd be fine with a no lynch. There's so many different possibilities that an extra NK will limit them. Guide us oh Serela
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: PX on April 25, 2014, 04:40:58 AM
##Vote No Lynch
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 04:41:39 AM
Aren't so you glad I'm an unkillable modconfirmed townie? Chaore sure knows how to pick'em. Also PX, don't forget to vote for it, we're not waiting 60 hours for the clock to time out ;_; Cut by glorious votes oh yes.

I have a feeling hammering no-lynch-tan won't take long considering the universal agreement here. Shadoweh and Dan wanted no-lynch too.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 04:42:25 AM
And yeah, Zak, you're right about the Dan thing. It's just unpleasant no matter what way you look at it, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 25, 2014, 04:44:32 AM
If it turns out Raitaki is scum, I would like to add that I feel like Dan is the remaining scum. It actually makes more sense to me, because I like PX's deconstruction of how Dan handled his role (And there's pretty much nothing else to go on as far as clearing and condemning him.)

It also works because Dan knows he's incomprehensible to everyone else, and he's been pushing both Cf7 and Raitaki just strong enough to look good if the wagon turns on them without warning and they flip scum.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Shadoweh on April 25, 2014, 04:45:01 AM
I wasn't thinking of whether I'd die actually.
Just that scum has to kill, so they can either kill Raitiki or deal with confirming someone else as town.
I kind of take it for granted that no one will kill me ever.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 04:46:56 AM
I think you get nightkilled more than me Shadoweh.

I... I think I've been nightkilled once in the 3~4 years I've been playing every game, here.

Anyway if you two go ahead and vote no-lynch, we can just steamroll this on out quick and painless! Night might even be over when I wake up tomorrow, that'd be amazing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 25, 2014, 04:48:23 AM
##Vote: No Lynch
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Chaore on April 25, 2014, 04:52:33 AM
Woah woah WOAH such action

NoLynch-tan (3): PX, Zakeri, Serela. (L-1)

Everyone else is not voting.

Like holy shit 60 hours or something aaaaaa
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Shadoweh on April 25, 2014, 04:56:21 AM
Well sure I guess.
Dan would probably just hammer it with no fucks anyways. I feel like talking a little first anyways.
If you look at wagonz CF7 does a similar thing Day 2 that he does Day 1. Actually he was voting for Raitiki until he was pushed to claim miller doc, then swing-voted onto Raikaria. I'm inclined to believe they were pulling the 'claim and disband' trick. Also CF7 was pushing PX a bunch at the end, I honestly think he was looking for a mislynche.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 25, 2014, 04:57:19 AM
It feels like a lot has happened since I spent six hours reading the thread, but I guess I should also take into account that in that same time frame, only one post was made. The whole time.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: PX on April 25, 2014, 04:58:24 AM
Really, there's not much reason for scum to try to start up a bus once it reaches *Lylo since I'm sure they just want the game to end though
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 04:59:10 AM
Also CF7 was pushing PX a bunch at the end, I honestly think he was looking for a mislynche.
I've been too lazy to actually reread the thread for these things (my excuse is it only just turned d4 and there's still 60 hours left in the day) so you pointing out stuff like that is coolbeanz.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 05:00:31 AM
Also, scum setting up a bus in lylo is a gambit that can be pretty devastating as long as they do it well, imo.

If you're pretty sure one of the scum is going to get lynched to death, it's not the worst idea.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 05:10:09 AM
I'm going to bed but I'm in a special case where my role has pretty much already been publically outted and confirmed by the mod, so maybe that means Chaore can just pretend I sent him a nightmessage.

PX+Dan probably won't both arrive for their checkups though (I guess?) by the time I wake up though anyway so it probably doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Shadoweh on April 25, 2014, 05:10:54 AM
It's hard to say tbh. I mean miller doc with a flipped cop/backup cop is also plausable, but if scum has a counter to that why the hell wouldn't they kill you instead of Bardiche? or in other words asfuijsdnhigdfughudfghnujfihlniufddgujnhh

Serela: Admit it, you're just impressed I went and read back at all.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 05:15:19 AM
I swear if you just sat and did nothing I'd become more depressed than ever.

Try not to give scum too town-looking of a target to shoot right before night falls though >_> If you find cool things that make someone town then tell us on morning when it's too late for them to stop it.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 05:19:05 AM
Hmmm. Food for thought. Scumteam is PX/Zak trying to mislynch Dan to win? Makes sense to me. More than Raitaki vs CF7 doublescum gambit. Ooof. I'm gonna cry if I end up deciding to lynch Raitaki and he flips town.

I got out of bed because now I can't stop thinking about mafia, but it's past 1am and I work at noon so I really should get BACK IN BED AND ACTUALLY SLEEP
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Shadoweh on April 25, 2014, 05:19:50 AM
SERELA GO TO BED
##VOTE: NO-LYNCH
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Raitaki on April 25, 2014, 05:28:03 AM
Well. Since apparently I can't possibly become obvtown on MoTK mafia anymore I've officially stopped caring about staying alive ; v;
Ey, whoever shooting me tonight, bring some snacks and we can have a chat and maybe try out The Last Federation C:

##Vote: No Lynch
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 4
Post by: Chaore on April 25, 2014, 05:46:34 AM
(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/750.png)No lynch has occured!

Nothing happens. Night 4 begins.

Since consensus is lets do this, Day 5 will begin when all actions have been collected.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Night 4
Post by: Chaore on April 25, 2014, 06:09:28 PM
A new day has dawned!

And Shadoweh is dead. Shocking.

Shadoweh, playing ECO DUMPTY ALMA was shot in the face! Oh the huge manatee!

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/668.jpg)

She was the opposite of Bardiche, Dark element, only neighbors Dark elements, etc.

Day 5 has begun.

IT IS LYLO. There is no deadline for today.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 25, 2014, 06:15:56 PM
Wow. Fuck. I claim bus driven.
I'll try what I can once I get home, but I think town has lost.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 25, 2014, 06:16:46 PM
For clarification, I DID target Shadoweh, and received a PM saying my action was a success despite this having never happened before.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: ActionDan on April 25, 2014, 07:00:12 PM
This the first time you got a pm saying your action succeeded?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 25, 2014, 07:55:51 PM
Uh, now that I double-check last night I also got a PM saying my doc was accepted in a joking tone. I thought that was Chaore laughing at me switching away from the right target or something, so I didn't think much of it.
So I might have been bus driven the last two nights :C
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 25, 2014, 08:44:11 PM
Good.
Great.
Wonderful.
Outstanding.
Amazing.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 25, 2014, 08:45:33 PM
Please don't leave me quick-hammerable and allow me some time to whip up sonething
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 25, 2014, 08:52:59 PM
Scum busdriver + scum Roleblock sounds shit to me, you should have just NKed me or PX.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 25, 2014, 08:58:05 PM
Not inviting you to but, if you think this fiasco makes me obvscum why not vote me as soon as you entered the room? Are YOU scum, Zak?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 25, 2014, 09:16:32 PM
Because a small part of me is scared that you might not be, to be honest.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: PX on April 25, 2014, 10:40:30 PM
What about N1?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 10:48:39 PM
I'm pretty sure if you're a doc, you target someone, and they still die, the mod would be sending you a message to confirm your action did actually go through.

Anyway I was concerned something like this would happen. Anyway PX probably isn't scum, I was just trying to distance for shenanigan reasons that whilst I lied in bed I realized probably wasn't worth doing anyway. Zak looks decently enough like town!zak but I think I'm using meta in a way that's very unreliable in this case, so I wouldn't put much stock into that.

Dan is Dan and oh god why do I have to seriously worry about Raitaki!scum?

Scum having a busdriver does not seem like an unreasonable situation.

I'd ask Chaore a question about redirection specifics for this game, but given it'd basically boil down to "is Raitaki lying or not?", there's no good reason he would answer me.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: ActionDan on April 25, 2014, 10:56:49 PM
Why wouldn't the mod send a message every night?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 25, 2014, 10:59:42 PM
Excuse the earlier outburst. I was in the process of realizing everything was falling into the shittiest possibility :S
@PX: I didn't get any PMs from the mods N1 and N2.

Reads are terrible. I'm pretty much townreading PX for voting scum in the previous 1v1 and the fact he looks like he's playing better than I remembered, which look like pretty terrible reasons to dismiss someone as possible scum in LyLo. And that naturally leaves Dan and Zak. I'm also having some sort of bias against Zak for almost tunneling me (in my perspective) all game, and that doesn't really help things.
I guess it's time to look at interactions and do some scumteam speculations or something
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 11:00:04 PM
I'unno, I don't think most mods tell docs "your action succeeded" every night.

I'd have to go around asking though, so I have no idea. The only time I ever rolled doc was in Werewolf, and that didn't last very long. *cough*

cut and haven't read it yet
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 11:03:06 PM
Zak/Dan/Rai, which two are scum? Time to throw darts.

But no not really, I have some things to do for awhile and I hope to see some activity during the next 24 hours from people about why X should or shouldn't be scum.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: ActionDan on April 25, 2014, 11:04:03 PM
Shadoweh's amalgamated opinions:  everyone is scum.


I find new recruit for waffle brigade!

Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: ActionDan on April 25, 2014, 11:09:46 PM
Serela is scum because mod posts are devious lies

But really I think px zak are last two. 

Tbh I am close to being able to self clear due to kirin being a pad character.  Represented in my dayvig flavor
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 25, 2014, 11:11:31 PM
> mfw mod soft-confirmed town dayvig
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 25, 2014, 11:16:03 PM
But honestly, with how blatantly Chaore's been plastering certain PR's flavor all over his posts I wouldn't be surprised if one or more scum has PAD flavor.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 11:32:01 PM
Excerpt from mind of Serela: You can tl;dr this post and skip to last few lines if you're okay with trusting me on "Whether Raitaki is lying scum or telling the truth, this is the best option scum could have used."

Town!Raitaki gets framed by scum busdriver because lol obvious, and also because seriously Shadoweh is the best possible nightkill. And also because the ensuing d6 lylo if town lynches correctly would have Raitaki!Doc protecting Shadoweh and the bulletproof innocent child up against whoever Scum #3 is, and Raitaki would be confirmed town when no one is killed or when he flips himself. Even if it's the busdriver alive, he's the only scum left and must nightkill rather than bus.

Scum!Raitaki literally has no choice but to plead innocent after killing Shadoweh anyway if he can't secure a mislynch d5, because otherwise the ensuing 3P lylo if town lynches correctly would have Serela and town!Shadoweh against the final scum.

Scum busdriver or JOAT with a busdrive or hijacker or whatever you want to guess, are reasonable enough possibilities. tl;dr Raitaki could be either alignment. CF7 interactions with him aren't super incriminating, but suggestive enough that Raitaki is a worthy lynch option.

Then you have PX who probably isn't scum, Zakeri who is I'M SORRY BUT YOU KEEP TURNING UP AS POE SCUM EVERY SINGLE TIME, and Dan who is rofl I don't know if I really want to trust that clear or not
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 11:36:55 PM
Okay I might be jumping the gun here (I can't help it, I like things going fast and smooth) but who would be okay with just going ahead and lynching Zak or Raitaki? I think I've already solved this as far as I can by myself, if anyone wants to change my mind they'll need to have good reasons that Person X is or is not scum.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 25, 2014, 11:49:25 PM
So Zakeri: D1 mostly focused on me, with a few offhanded comments aimed at other people here and there. For some reason, he mentioned he was "super down with the Skytaki double dip" and called Sky scummy earlier, but still kept his vote on me when he later admitted I was now at reasonable doubt. D2, he jumped right on me as soon as he saw there were 2 kills because ??? I really can't see any reason for this, it couldn't have been my PR softclaim either, since him thinking I caused it would mean he didn't see Dan claiming dayvig and shooting NNR, which was before and after my softclaim, respectively. PX best wagon because ???. And then there's several parts I don't even understand, like the "Raitaki has to give more evidence than CF7 going 'hold on a minute'" blurb, the "unvote cuz I'm sheeping", etc. Oh and then just now the "you should have shot X and Y" implied he pretty much was accusing me of being scum, and with something like that the "I'm almost afraid you're not scum" smells like bullshit, especially since he thought I was the scum almost fulltime up until CF7 got lynched. So basically I was more or less the only one in his eyes the whole game. Not to mention misreps of the push on CF7 ("people are just lynching him for role-based stuff!") and PX's putting CF7 at L-1 ("that totally came out of nowhere!"). Also holy shit you're agreeing with flipped scum's cases.

hey I told you I was biased against Zak
at least it doesn't seem like I'm the only biased one here :3

##Vote: Zakeri
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Serela on April 25, 2014, 11:52:36 PM
Yeah that helps solidify my decision. I can always rethink the Raitaki tomorrow when I see who I'm left alone with. I'm pretty sold on Zak-scum though.

##Vote Zakeri
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: ActionDan on April 25, 2014, 11:54:05 PM
##Vote Zakeri

k scum down
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: ActionDan on April 25, 2014, 11:54:28 PM
Px is the other one
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Chaore on April 25, 2014, 11:55:34 PM
(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/749.png)HAMMER SHUT THE BLUE BISCUITS UP
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Chaore on April 26, 2014, 12:07:30 AM
The decision has been made, valiantly, Serela stands and flexes.

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/984.png) ZAKERI! YOUR BEAUTY IS AS FAKE AS YOUR SOUL, YOU ARE THE SCUM.

WITH A MIGHTY FLEX SERELA SMITES THE ZAKERI.

Zakeri was....
























(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/985.jpg)

Zakeri, playing DIVINE QUEEN HERA, has been lynched!


(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/984.png) Oh shit I fucked up Lylo again didn't I.

(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/984.jpg)

Serela, playing GIGAS THE GREAT, has been endgammed.

(http://www.mukuchi-no-kai.com/monster-list/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/11091.jpg)

Raitaki, playing THE GREAT AND ALMIGHTY SNOW WHITE, has been endgammed.




(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/1218.jpg)

ActionDan, playing BROKEN PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT, KIRIN has won the game!

(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140221192051/monster-match/images/thumb/8/8a/458_Terrorbull_SS.png/270px-458_Terrorbull_SS.png)

PX, playing TERRORBULL has won the game!








(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/750.jpg)

Chaore, playing TORTOISE MOUNTAIN GENBU, MEIMEI has a splitting headache and needs alcohol, but has won the game.

SCUM VICTORY (With a pocket of secret thirdparty mod win)
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Chaore on April 26, 2014, 12:08:15 AM
I'll post QTs and shit later or get schezo to do it.

I need a stiff drink.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Raitaki on April 26, 2014, 12:09:14 AM
ohgod.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 26, 2014, 12:10:58 AM
My role was that I couldn't be Doctor Protected, and that if I died, Serela would lose his bulletproof, so I had plenty of reason to believe that Raitaki did actually have his role. I wasn't allowed to claim that Serela would lose his bulletproofness, and I think I may have been allowed to claim I couldn't be docced, but there's no reason why I would.

So there was a busdriver as well, I take it?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Serela on April 26, 2014, 12:12:09 AM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: SB on April 26, 2014, 12:12:14 AM
[00:31] <SB_> i think Serela is literally the one holding town together in LYLO
[00:31] <SB_> kind of surprised

[00:36] <SB_> "Then you have PX who probably isn't scum, Zakeri who is I'M SORRY BUT YOU KEEP TURNING UP AS POE SCUM EVERY SINGLE TIME, and Dan who is rofl I don't know if I really want to trust that clear or not"
[00:36] <SB_> ok never mind about serela saving the town

Serious talk though, I don't get why Raitaki was suspected in LYLO at all. CF7 tried to 1v1 him the previous day, and no other protective roles had been flipped or claimed. That should've been the point where you cleared him.

No lynching was also silly because scum could've just shot Serela's BPV and then you wouldn't even have a clear in LYLO, so shrug.

As for other stuff, eh, my non-player reads were terrible to the point where I suspected every townie at some point or another except for Zak (including Serela!) so whatever.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Serela on April 26, 2014, 12:13:56 AM
I didn't think about scum shooting me to fake a doc protect until literally right as I voted Zakeri.

Anyway, I thought scum 1v1'ing eachother for MASSIVE CRED seemed reasonable?

I didn't think about what it'd mean for role balance, however.

Zakeri actually looked like scum for several good reasons though, so... welp.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on April 26, 2014, 12:14:22 AM
This game is further proof that I shouldn't /in when I don't have the time to really play.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Serela on April 26, 2014, 12:17:28 AM
I'd feel worse about this if I didn't still think that lynching Zakeri wasn't really a bad move, apart from how he was actually town.

Also I'm not sure if SB realizes that I was full BP, not one-shot bp. Then again, Zakeri just claimed that he supported me being bulletproof. So I would have stopped being BP.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 26, 2014, 12:19:23 AM
Quote
Serious talk though, I don't get why Raitaki was suspected in LYLO at all. CF7 tried to 1v1 him the previous day, and no other protective roles had been flipped or claimed. That should've been the point where you cleared him.
This was a serious point of contention for me, because he was exactly as obvtown as you said, but it also was possible there was some level of gambit involved, and the doctor's protect target dying was pretty much and if;then raitaki must be scum.

To be honest, if Serela hadn't pushed for No Lynching, I think we might have actually foregone Raitaki as a lynch, leaving it down to me, Dan, and PX again. I really think Shadoweh dying was what solidified him as a choice.

...not that any of this mattered because thank you Raitaki for talking it over with me instead of opening me up to quicklynching WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I DIDN'T VOTE FOR YOU IMMEDIATELY.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: SB on April 26, 2014, 12:19:41 AM
I assumed one-shot because anything more is kind of ridiculous?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Serela on April 26, 2014, 12:21:46 AM
Not as much when you realize Zakeri's role is what kept me bulletproof, so my BP still wore off after awhile.

But we only just learned that due to flipless lylo end. Even I didn't know!
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Bardiche on April 26, 2014, 12:22:17 AM
I like the part where I went zero effort posting and no one wanted to lynch me. Fuck putting effort, zero effort posts from now on.

Confirming I was sheeping Serela on CF7.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 26, 2014, 12:23:28 AM
I'd feel worse about this if I didn't still think that lynching Zakeri wasn't really a bad move, apart from how he was actually town.

Also I'm not sure if SB realizes that I was full BP, not one-shot bp. Then again, Zakeri just claimed that he supported me being bulletproof. So I would have stopped being BP.

I'm not even really sure what I did wrong besides being up at my grandma's house for a week with little internet and being misinformed about why CF7 was a wagon. You even admitted that me being misinformed made more sense than trying to scumdiscredit the wagon.

I'm 70% sure He was more than one shot, since you had to shoot me to remove his BP.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Chaore on April 26, 2014, 12:28:59 AM
He was bulletproof as long as Zakeri was alive, unless Zakeri was roleblocked.

Also PX was a redirector, which is how they messed with Raitaki.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Bardiche on April 26, 2014, 12:29:20 AM
I like the Sky_Paladin rant in the GY about MOTK Meta being to lynch whoever puts in effort and giving a free pass to lurkers.

Because it's what we do. See: PX doing nothing worth shit and everyone but me giving him a free pass for it. <3
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 26, 2014, 12:32:53 AM
Why did you quicklynch Zakeri before he could post QQ
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: ActionDan on April 26, 2014, 12:38:54 AM
I was annoyed all the cops died before they could clear me
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 26, 2014, 12:39:55 AM
I like the Sky_Paladin rant in the GY about MOTK Meta being to lynch whoever puts in effort and giving a free pass to lurkers.

Because it's what we do. See: PX doing nothing worth shit and everyone but me giving him a free pass for it. <3

yeah it's obvious I was going to get quicklynched from this if you read the darkness qt. I post a whole pbpa of the entire four days, and PX never posted once.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: ActionDan on April 26, 2014, 12:40:57 AM
I dunno I thought PX carried the scum team
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 26, 2014, 12:41:47 AM
I was annoyed no one believed me when I said Dan being a vig made him scum with the BP IC.
Also when all the scum turned out to be the only people I thought were town.... <_<
I can't believe you lynched Zakeri. Like, I thoguht you would lynch Raitaki...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Serela on April 26, 2014, 12:43:12 AM
I believed in PX being town because of Shadoweh.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: ActionDan on April 26, 2014, 12:44:14 AM
I was annoyed no one believed me when I said Dan being a vig made him scum with the BP IC.
Also when all the scum turned out to be the only people I thought were town.... <_<
I can't believe you lynched Zakeri. Like, I thoguht you would lynch Raitaki...

oh yeah I thought so also because lol BP IC = strong in lylo = balanced by scum using a power to save a mislynch
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: ActionDan on April 26, 2014, 12:45:18 AM
Btw Zak, you probably could have cleared Raitaki from a balance perspective...
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 26, 2014, 12:46:20 AM
I believed in PX being town because of Shadoweh.
I SAID THAT ABOUT CF7 TOO
WHY WOULD YOU TRUST ANYTHING I SAID THIS GAME
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Chaore on April 26, 2014, 12:49:19 AM
I believed in PX being town because of Shadoweh.

Don't blame Shadoweh for that.

It's your own fault for being alive.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: WHMZakeri on April 26, 2014, 12:49:33 AM
Btw Zak, you probably could have cleared Raitaki from a balance perspective...

I really did, I just felt like antagonizing him because I was frustrated that someone that wasn't me died while being protected by him.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: PX on April 26, 2014, 01:09:43 AM
Really, I wasn't planning to kill Shadoweh until Serela said Raitaki is scum if she died. You guys set up the mislynch, I just took advantage of it :V

Also Bard kill was solely because he suspected me. I didn't post in Shadoweh qt because I was still debating whether to pretend if she was scum who lied about targeting me. Didn't need to :V
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Raitaki on April 26, 2014, 01:14:04 AM
Tbh I voted Zak more to bait reactions, since Dan was right there. Then I went to change for driving practice and OHMYGOD SERELA WHY HAVE YOU VOTEEEED
Like you sounded unsure THE POST BEFORE THAT, and I even intentionally nitpick a lot to not make the case -too convincing- too ;_;

Also last night when I hammered NL-tan I was in a very good mood and didn't think about it much then sat down and thought about it for ten mins. Came up with "they'd prolly shoot me, either I doc myself and nothing happens or they kill me and hopefully Serela and PX can get shit together and lynch the scum". Then I was like > PX and Serela in charge of carrying town out of LyLo and FULLBLOWN PANIC ATTACK AND MASSIVE REGRET

Then Shadoweh flipped and I threw some questions at Chaore to see if he would betray me if I claim extremely unlucky element-based SK and pledge allegiance to town.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Chaore on April 26, 2014, 01:19:13 AM
you voted to bait reactions

in lylo

where one vote on town loses the game

-really raitaki-

Edit: WAIT YOU WERE FUCKING WHAT

that's it i'm going to go get plastered holy shit
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Raitaki on April 26, 2014, 01:24:08 AM
Heeey the whole fiasco only needed like 5 mins to blow everything to hell, I was planning to sit there F5'ing and unvoting as soon as anybody votes him at all, or if nobody does before I had to leave ;_;
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: ActionDan on April 26, 2014, 01:29:09 AM
you'd become the mislynch
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 26, 2014, 01:29:57 AM
I thought Dan was scum vig who had the limit as a nerf because scum vig, I'm guessing he was just normal godfather vig though.

I thought Bard and Zak were scum from barely reading the game so... I also thought Dan was scummy for misfiring then dropping off the face of the earth once his claim was set.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Raitaki on April 26, 2014, 01:30:48 AM
That's okay, I resolved to claim being extremely unlucky element-based SK with a one-shot double kill in case you people really started to pile firewood underneath me
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Chaore on April 26, 2014, 01:32:03 AM
I thought Dan was scum vig who had the limit as a nerf because scum vig, I'm guessing he was just normal godfather vig though.

I thought Bard and Zak were scum from barely reading the game so... I also thought Dan was scummy for misfiring then dropping off the face of the earth once his claim was set.

yeah dan had no limits

he just really wanted an excuse to make a terrible shot
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 26, 2014, 01:39:31 AM
(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/monster/750.jpg)

Chaore, playing TORTOISE MOUNTAIN GENBU, MEIMEI has a splitting headache and needs alcohol, but has won the game.
also what the fuck is this? what makes an artist draw their mythological turtle stock character as a 12 year old girl?
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Schezo on April 26, 2014, 01:59:13 AM
I love this game
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: ActionDan on April 26, 2014, 02:00:23 AM
also what the fuck is this? what makes an artist draw their mythological turtle stock character as a 12 year old girl?

a pedo
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Bardiche on April 26, 2014, 02:10:07 AM
I love this game

You need to stop using yaoi avatars.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 26, 2014, 02:13:21 AM
I would rather catboy avatars than catgirls which are the most played out anime shtick ever. nnr sux
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Shadoweh on April 26, 2014, 02:17:48 AM
You need to stop using yaoi avatars.
But Bard, you use Just all the time :<
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Schezo on April 26, 2014, 02:25:35 AM
plz no bully.  I come bearing gifts

Mod QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/T36Q6aR2aDP)
Shadoweh QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6yaxLUn9yhRLa)
Bard QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/WbVFCPCQpnwiN)
Graveyard (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/7aqQkLSgpHun)
scum can release theirs whenever
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Raikaria on April 26, 2014, 02:29:25 AM
Well I was at least right about PX being scum.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Bardiche on April 26, 2014, 02:48:05 AM
But Bard, you use Just all the time :<

Yeah, but the artist I'm taking it from isn't well-known for his abusive yaoi art. Unlike Schezo who has a talent for finding them.

Or fetishes best left undisclosed.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Raitaki on April 26, 2014, 02:48:36 AM
> Dragon Machine- Broken Universal Backup, will partially copy the first dead town or Kirin
> or Kirin

holy
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em on April 26, 2014, 03:21:10 AM
Yeah, but the artist I'm taking it from isn't well-known for his abusive yaoi art. Unlike Schezo who has a talent for finding them.

Or fetishes best left undisclosed.
how did you know schezo is taking his avatars from somebody who draws abusive yaoi art lol
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Bardiche on April 26, 2014, 03:22:50 AM
how did you know schezo is taking his avatars from somebody who draws abusive yaoi art lol

I frequent(ed) 4chan.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Schezo on April 26, 2014, 03:33:40 AM
my previous one was from someone else's avatar.  I didn't know he was an abusive artist.

My current one is one I found on pixiv and not even yaoi. '^'
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Dr Rawr on April 26, 2014, 04:52:16 AM
OH WELL was a fun game to watch though
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: CF7 on April 26, 2014, 05:54:17 AM
Should have made something  dark aligned for the claim, but, oh, well. It was still fun, though.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: CF7 on April 26, 2014, 08:04:44 AM
Our delicious QT, if anyone interested.
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/fxktjjXJCkdg
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Raikaria on April 26, 2014, 09:16:47 AM
(http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/img/book/984.png) Oh shit I fucked up Lylo again didn't I.

By the way, I forgot to mention I cracked up when I saw this.

I mean seriously, we should have just thrown our hands up in the air as soon as Serela was mod confirmed town and it was LYLO.
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- PAD IS OVER (GAME OVER)
Post by: Vhaltz on April 26, 2014, 10:09:34 AM
I didn't read the full game, but I also thought Bard was mafia just because of apathy
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Chaore on April 26, 2014, 10:15:14 AM
By the way, I forgot to mention I cracked up when I saw this.

I mean seriously, we should have just thrown our hands up in the air as soon as Serela was mod confirmed town and it was LYLO.

It's amusing because town wasn't really dead in water till it was ACTUALLY LYLO and not just MYLO.

Serela powers~
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Schezo on April 26, 2014, 10:26:28 AM
It's amusing because town wasn't really dead in water till it was ACTUALLY LYLO and not just MYLO.

Serela powers~
arent you supposed to be drunk???
Title: Re: Puzzle and Dragons Mafia- Day 5 LYLO
Post by: Chaore on April 26, 2014, 10:47:36 AM
arent you supposed to be drunk???

Oh, that was six hours ago.

I'm sober now.