##Vote Edible
serious vote
Obv scum.
Game ain't started yet and you're already out for blood.
serious vote there rai?
##Vote Prims
Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, Heart
EARTH
FIRE
WIND
WATER
AND HEART
##Vote Shadoweh
People should host these sorts of roles so that they become unusable if you claim the conditions. Otherwise they just don't have the same impact.
Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, ##Vote: Dormio
Technically BT I don't recall these roles having conditions on them in previous games >_>
Anyway at this point it's inevitable, so
Earth fire wind water heart~? Oh, wait. ##Vote Dormio
Also Dormio you're still on THREE MORE; Prims never said HEART.##Expose Darkninjaabc
##Vote Prims
Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, Heart
EARTH
FIRE
WIND
WATER
AND HEART
##Vote Shadoweh
People should host these sorts of roles so that they become unusable if you claim the conditions. Otherwise they just don't have the same impact.
Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, ##Vote: Dormio
Technically BT I don't recall these roles having conditions on them in previous games >_>
Anyway at this point it's inevitable, so
Earth fire wind water heart~? Oh, wait. ##Vote Dormio
Also Dormio you're still on THREE MORE; Prims never said HEART.##Gohtori
Did the two quote marks not tip you off?
You are Souji Mikage/Professor Nemuro, the scientist who simply can't let go. Forget revolutionizing the world, you just want to bring it all down.
You are a Third Party Messiah, and your role is fairly complicated.
- Black Rose Ascendent: Your main win condition is Captain Planetting your way out of the game. Yes, really. I'm fucking tired of mods not doing this role correctly. LISTEN THE FUCK UP, EVERYONE WATCHING THIS ROLE PM GET POSTED WHEN HE FLIPS, THIS IS HOW YOU DO THIS SHIT. Five different players must post the words "earth", "fire", "wind", "water", and "heart" at various points in the game. Those words must appear in chronological order (though the time between the words does not matter), and they must appear as stand-alone words (i.e. no using "dwindle" for "wind"). Once all five words have been posted, you may quote the posts that contain them, bolding each one, and then post ##Gohtori in the thread. You will be instantly removed from the game with a victory.
- Hope at Last?: This silly game has unexpectedly offered you an alternative means of escape. If the town can finally stop these wretched duels and break their way out of the academy, you will be more than happy to leave your own bird cage behind and follow them to freedom. If you survive to see a town victory, you will be considered victorious as well.
- It's Not Paranoia If They're Really Out To Get Me: Your years cooped up in Nemuro Memorial Hall have allowed you to set up a pretty fancy security system. You will survive some number of nighttime attempts on your life. You do not know how many. No security system is perfect, after all.
- No One Knows What It's Like To Be The Bad Man: Since you technically aren't town, you will be treated as if you were scum as applicable to other roles (i.e. you would return "Scum" if investigated by a Cop, Weak roles that target you will die, etc.).
- Extra Special: Each night, you can ##Interview another player to test their morality and worthiness of being given a Black Rose. The target will be roleblocked. If your target has a role that would be affected, they will be informed if they were roleblocked. In addition, depending on the results of the interview, they may spend the next day and night being treated as if they were scum as applicable to other roles (i.e. they would return "Scum" if investigated by a Cop, Weak roles that target them will die, etc.). They will know if this status ailment has been inflicted upon them.
You win as described above. Good luck! You'll need it.
inb4 unlynchable guilty child
##unvote ##vote Primsyes, and you know who wants to get away with things?
"too easy to jokevote shadoweh in RVS and get away with it"
I don't think logic can be townie but it's fine for an ED1 vote. If you want TOKEN QUESTIONING then I'll throw this out there: how is that going to help you read me?
Well if I refuse to have ed1 tier reactions to ed1 stuff then how am I going to somewhat help the game advance ;_;
although yeah
##Vote PX
probably the least helpful of the ed1 shenanigans
Shadoweh and Huhwhat are super town.
Dormio is too awesome for us.
This goes against how I normally play every game I'm in, but uhh ##Vote: Serela.
I'll wait for everyone else to punish PX.
And how exactly as opposed to what?He probably just decided to jump on your wagon because it looked good.
the consequence was activating a role. town has more to gain from activating a town role than lose from activating a scum role. The outcome right now is like a A-. I'll take that.You're immediately removing the possibility of third party. Which Dormio was. A role with a win request like 'become Captain Planet' is so silly you'd never get it on a proper side.
Darkninja, you're a character; add some life to this gameAny reason you're calling out Darkninja in particular?
So in the time it took me to wake up we already have a third party victory.
I don't even.
Anyway it's been a while, but:
##Vote: ActionDan
Instantly goes along with Dormio's plan without asking what's going on. Gets extremely reactionary (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1050019.html#msg1050019) when someone votes for him in the first half hour of gameplay. Dan, why were you so sensitive about an ed1 vote?
You're immediately removing the possibility of third party. Which Dormio was. A role with a win request like 'become Captain Planet' is so silly you'd never get it on a proper side.
Any reason you're calling out Darkninja in particular?
That particular vote elicited a reaction because I couldn't immediately tell if it was standard RVS babble or serious.The one where his reasoning was 'you voted someone who wasn't playing before day 1 started'? I'd like to know why you thought that might be serious.
Are you trying to imply something when you quoted 75?No, I was bringing up the quote in question for easy reference. Is this not a thing people do any more?
The one where his reasoning was 'you voted someone who wasn't playing before day 1 started'? I'd like to know why you thought that might be serious.
No, I was bringing up the quote in question for easy reference. Is this not a thing people do any more?
And I'm going to need some clarification on this 'darkninja thinks differently from the rest of us' thing, because I've never played with him before. Does he have some kind of reputation?
I'm always sensitive to votes on me no matter what stage of the game or for what reasons people give.There were reasonable ways to explain your thought process behind that post and 0 of them started with "I always".
For blindly accepting somebody's request without even thinking of the fact that there would be any consequences, when Dormio didn't state what activating his power would do when he did it the last time he rolled it. That's why you're all idiots.
Are you trying to imply something when you quoted 75?Mainly that you were trying to use it to sell yourself as town when your reasoning made no sense. Your argument was 'town stands to benefit more from activating random silly powers than scum does!' which is nonsensical and honestly extremely dangerous. More often than not kooky powers like that are third party and do not benefit town whatsoever.
I'll wait for everyone else to punish PX.This feels like wagon distancing. Do you support the PX case? If so why don't you support it enough to put a vote against it?
Shadoweh (0): Serela
Serela (2): Shadoweh, Prims, PX, Zakeri
PX (0): Prims
Prims (0): Serela, PX
ActionDan (2): PX, Roukan, Prims
BT (0): PX
Raikaria (1): PX
PX (3): BigBangMeteor, Serela, BT
Zakeri (1): CF7
Some of these numbers are not like other numbers. A lot of people, actually. Hell, Prims has two votes and is on 0. Special maths? Or does half the game have some kind of vote squelch ability?Your quote doesn't show it but Kilga bolded the actual votes and left the unvotes in italics. The votals are fine.
If I ever did a Captain Planet role, I'd make it so that when you used it, instead of winning the game, you could kill off some number of the players who you quoted. Maybe all of them.Don't do this.
Great for LYLO situations imo.
Would ask Rou what makes him think Dan was trying to 'sell himself as town' with that because that seems out of the blue.More a gut feeling there than anything. It felt like the statement about 'town is better off activating stupid roles' was built on the inherent premise of 'I'm town so I know what's best for us don't question me'. I admit it's not worth much on its own but given I was calling him up on earlier statements I thought it was worth pursuing.
Sorry for double post, but another piece I just noticed:Because I support the vote against Serela more.
This feels like wagon distancing. Do you support the PX case? If so why don't you support it enough to put a vote against it?
ZETTAI
UNMEI
MOKUSHIROKU
Shadoweh (0): Serela
Serela (2): Shadoweh, Prims, PX, Zakeri
PX (0): Prims
Prims (0): Serela, PX
ActionDan (2): PX, Roukan, Prims
BT (0): PX
Raikaria (1): PX
PX (3): BigBangMeteor, Serela, BT
Zakeri (1): CF7
Not voting (5): ActionDan, Sky Paladin, NekNekoRex, bofh, Raikaria
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. You have about 36 hours left to vote.
I direct you to this post for my 'reasoning'.
## Vote: Actiondan
Sorry for double post, but another piece I just noticed:
This feels like wagon distancing. Do you support the PX case? If so why don't you support it enough to put a vote against it?
I'm not even sure there really is a 'PX case'. Sounds like misrepping silly RVS stuff to me. I mean the two votes from Serela and BBM are clearly not serious, and 'why' and 'clearly the least helpful for the shenanigans' is not a 'case'.I'd argue that after Dormio ascended to heaven and became a beautiful star, the RVS phase was more or less over. It gave everyone some definite behaviours to consider and yet PX didn't really clarify his suspicions beyond 'you're all idiots'.
That's a really tiny thing to latch on to.
'I'll wait for everyone else to punish PX' (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1050138.html#msg1050138). Ergo he clearly thought there WAS a PX case but preferred to pursue his own. I'm really not sure how this qualifies as misrep, all things considered.
I took it as a jibe about the sudden 2 votes that had no reasoning at all directed at PX immediately preceding this post.I find that a very strange reading given the time and instance. If he didn't have some meaning behind it why was it so important? Two quick votes on one person early out of the RVS stage isn't an extraordinary event.
And if you say 'He wished to persue his own' then what's so bad about that anyway? That just means he thought his choice of vote was more important than the PX votes and 'case' [And I use that term VERY loosely] but wanted to say 'Yeah PX is worth mentioning too.'Except there was no clear sign that was what he meant until I pressed him on it. I read his 'I'll let everyone else punish PX' as a potential scum play of 'I will vaguely support this wagon to get this player killed, but then because I never actually made a case for it I'll look okay when he flips town.' That is why I pressed him for clarification.
I don't like the argument of 'he does this scummy thing when he's town so let's not vote him'. I don't know if Dan has a reputation for this but even if he does I don't think it excuses him.The scummy thing Dan tends to do as scum isnt asking alot of questions, it's powerlurking to the point of not being here. I don't think asking questions is scummy anyways. I agree that he's being just as 'zealous' as you are, which is another thing he doesn't tend to do as scum. He has more /care. Since Captain Dormio already escaped, I'd go so far as to say Dan is prob-town and is getting jumped because he has a face.
Also what I don't understand here is why Dan's behaviour doesn't qualify as 'unnecessarily zealous' as well. Immediately snapping at the first person who votes him, pressing the tiniest things on other players, and so on. What made me appear more zealous than him in that case?
Because I support the vote against Serela more.Are you saying Serela isn't an easy target compared to PX? :V Also if playing the game is Dan trying too hard, I would prefer he always try extra super hard then punish him for it.
And also because I know PX is going to be an easy target.
And also because Serela already jumped on him with a vague follow-up statement.
I agree Dan's trying too hard to look town but after last game, I'm leaning null on that rather than the usual scum trying to force brownie points.
You two are both misrepresenting me. I am not saying that I think Dan is scummy. I am saying that I think he is making mistakes and playing poorly. This is consistent with his miller fiasco. I also said that I believe this forums scum meta detector is flawed, which is why I'm not voting for Dan (ultimately) and Rou instead.I agree there are flaws in what people are saying, but Dan not actually being scummy isn't really a reason to vote Rou. Being zealous is how the ED1 gets played, someone has to make that push on questionable evidence and make something of it. What did Rou do that set you off in particular? It really reads like you're voting for Rou because you think Dan is town.
Yeah, no, sorry Raikaria but Roukan is 100% innocent so far (which to be clear isn't saying much since ed1). It's clear from the way he worded his post and directed it at me that he was asking me to clarify my stance on PX. It's not strictly a town thing, but it's not going to work as an angle to dig scum up.
I'm already coming up with plans for a Captain Planet role that changes everything we know about captain planet roles - starting with the fact that they're always itp instant win condition.After I introduced the Captain Planet role I quickly realized it's a horrible horrible ITP win condition, so I made it a delayed role activator instead. And then functional vanilla that looked like it did something >:V But yeah NO ONE ELSE SEEMS TO REALIZE IT'S A BAD ITP WIN CONDITION (Kilga gets points for trying to circumvent how easy it is, but AHAHAHAHA I'm sorry Kilga but at least it was amazing)
Well there's a really tiny amount of real, serious content.Yeah. While the discussion is slowly getting better as usual, most of it feels even more inane then in normal ed1s. >_> We're getting caught up over semantics with ActionDan? AGAIN?!? Dan being somewhat of an oddball in those regards was a thing before the miller shenanigans last game, we're not going to get anything worth caring about over his reaction to Dormio knowing how to have fun with role shenanigans.
RE: Serela. You have not posted anything I can read beyond 'hoping' DNA got copped. I don't actually think you're having ED1 reactions to stuff because you're super not fluffing it up, which is weird for you. You can start by explaining what 'least helpful RVS reaction' even means.That's because next to nothing happened before I went to bed last night other then CAPTAIN PLANET HE'S A HERO (or some weird cultist guy apparently?) >:V Anyway, it was "least helpful" because PX just came in and said "lol you're all idiots" and left.
Also voting Serela is very hard for me because he's always town getting picked on for bad play.wut
But yes, his play this game has ticked an alarm in me. Particularly the way he switched his vote to Huh What for omgus which he'll later just claim "But I was joking, it was rvs!" and also his switch to PX in which BBM is asking why PX made that vote post the way he did, and Serela's like "That's so bad, I'm not even going to question or think about it and just vote for, like, a reason I guess."
At first I wanted to vote for Dan too because he is being evasive and asking weak questions in a poor attempt to deflect and pretending to answer when not really answering. But then I thought I am actually really tired and just read the thread and only skimmed a little bit. In the end I zeroed in on Rousaka because Dan was exactly like that last game when he was miller. So it's probably patently unfair.
I'm too tired to give a proper opinion but at the least I'm going to say that Rou doesn't "have no way to possibly know" what Dan did last game. >_> Yeah he can't be expected to because he wasn't a player, so it's not like your reasoning is actually bad, but you're just overstating it to a silly degree :V It's not like non-players are not allowed to read the mafia threads, and it was the game that just happened so it wouldn't be all that weird if he did.
Also for the sake of those who have no idea, Rou used to play mafia on here a few years back.
Anyway, from rereading, Sky's reason for voting Rou is that Rou is being "unnecessarily zealous" in pushing Dan. At my current state of ability to think... I'll just leave my response to that at "I disagree that this is a reason Rou looks scummy"
I am not voting Rou because he is pushing Dan.Yeah, except your only stated reason (From what I can tell) for thinking Roukan is scum is because of the way he pushed for Dan.
I am voting Rou because I think he is scum.
how was Zakeri's line of thought more convincing than his own?Because I was correct.
Dan, why is Sky town?
Shadoweh, drunk
Zak's Villains scumplay (yes, I know he is not you) where he'd make up random numbers and percentages of how people were scummy to pad his posts and make his suspicions out to be more than they actually wereI would like to reiterate that I it had nothing to do with being scum. It was to pad my posts out with flavor that was all acting with absurd overconfidence while at the same time mistakenly believing that I was actually making my stances clearer by assigning definite values to certain actions.
Zak- if the PX vote is least useful, why are you voting for himSorry I meant the opposite of that. I was trying to say that voteparking on Serela and wagon hopping on NNR would be less useful since my read on Serela was shaken and also because NNR was naturally gathering votes at the time and I figured I'd join in when it's closer to consolidation time.
I'm kind of ellipsis at Zak's backing off of Serela. Seeing as I thought his case was that Serela was being nonchalant and opp. with voting PX, why would it change things for Zak if Serela explained his lacking reasoning later? The source of his doubts comes off as weird and unconvincing.Part of the reason why my read got shaken up was because I realized a lot of my comments against him were presumptions on how scum would act in his position and then seeing his thwart all of them in one way or another. It's too early for a town read, and you're right in that it was probably too early for a not-lynching-day-one read as well.
In the end I zeroed in on Rousaka because Dan was exactly like that last game when he was miller. So it's probably patently unfair.
I initially thought 'hmm the way Dan is acting is not sensible'. But last game playing as scum I saw that a lot of common tells that people apparently bought as scum reads were just on hapless townies. So I decided to go with my previous experience in scumhunting from a different forum. Basically, making mistakes or playing badly doesn't mean you are scum. Plenty of innocent people can make mistakes. The more they post the more it can get picked up on. This is especially true with people like DarkNinjaABC who, as town, lied about being a vigilante and then an ITP for no reason. You can't get a good read following the 'usual rules' because some people don't know those rules and some do.
So I went with you because I didn't see you making a mistake. I saw you being unnecessarily zealous. That's exactly what I did when I was being scum last game.
You two are both misrepresenting me. I am not saying that I think Dan is scummy. I am saying that I think he is making mistakes and playing poorly. This is consistent with his miller fiasco. I also said that I believe this forums scum meta detector is flawed, which is why I'm not voting for Dan (ultimately) and Rou instead.
I initially decided not to vote for Dan because I am deliberately suspending the meta scum reads that are popular here, and going with another set. Because Shrinemaiden is not familiar with Megatokyo scumslips, maybe I'll find something interesting. This does imply that I found Dan scummy; but under the mtf-mafia category, we ignore mistakes and bad play. We focus on...another set of categories. Anyway, I don't want to give it away at this point because I'll ruin my experiment if I do.
But I'll put out the posts here and mark their severity on the scumdex so I can refer back to here later after the game.
Rou's first post - 0% scummy. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1050169.html#msg1050169)
Rou's second post - 20% scummy. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1050175.html#msg1050175)
Rou's third and fourth posts - 30% scummy each. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1050213.html#msg1050213)
My stated reason is 'more zealous than required'. There's a specific wordset that I would use that I want to keep secret for now.
It's enough for me if you don't agree and vote elsewhere. This is primarily for my own personal assessment of the meta here.
I changed my mind I dont actually want to play mafia lol.
Yes but Raikaria wouldn't know you're correct....... unless he's scum
I'll wait for everyone else to punish PX.
It slipped my mind as I was posting but the empty unvote did reach my concern. I'm giving him the benefit of a doubt for now but I'd happily polcy vote him tomorrow if he doesn't deliver something promising by the end of the day.
His replies (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1050187.html#msg1050187) to my vote look like "Hey, I didn't mean to do it, so don't blame it on me" which sounds like something scum would say. Him jumping on Rou for... basically nothing, defending Zak and answering stuff for him (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1050304.html#msg1050304) make little sense, and the random unvote on Rou because someone said so just doesn't seem townie, and my number 1 pick for scum.
I think that Rou is scum because they are pursuing (insert name) here. It just happens to be Dan.
I initially decided not to vote for Dan because I am deliberately suspending the meta scum reads that are popular here, and going with another set. Because Shrinemaiden is not familiar with Megatokyo scumslips, maybe I'll find something interesting. This does imply that I found Dan scummy; but under the mtf-mafia category, we ignore mistakes and bad play. We focus on...another set of categories. Anyway, I don't want to give it away at this point because I'll ruin my experiment if I do.
But I'll put out the posts here and mark their severity on the scumdex so I can refer back to here later after the game.
Rou's first post - 0% scummy. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1050169.html#msg1050169)
Rou's second post - 20% scummy. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1050175.html#msg1050175)
Rou's third and fourth posts - 30% scummy each. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1050213.html#msg1050213)
My stated reason is 'more zealous than required'. There's a specific wordset that I would use that I want to keep secret for now.
It's enough for me if you don't agree and vote elsewhere. This is primarily for my own personal assessment of the meta here.
I think that Rou is scum because they are pursuing (insert name) here. It just happens to be Dan.
##Vote Rousaka Hiyoko
Based on mainly just a feeling, and a little bit that the pursuit on ActionDan is more zealous than required.
Oh hey this one has a small reasoning for the Roukan vote. Where was he being 'unnecessarily zealous'? NOBODY KNOWS.
More Dan defending. That's 3 posts buddying him already.
And finally we get to the final part of the initial quote:
The '% scummy' isn't relevant. Lies; damn lies and statistics.
You better not keep your 'wordfset' secret; because your keeping mum is quickly turning people against you.
The first paragraph is more A.D defending...
Personally I think at this point Sky should be lynched simply for the sheer amount of ActionDan budding he did. If he flips scum we lynch ActionDan too.
Forgot to vote
##Unvote
##Vote: Sky_Paladin
Also Kilga where the fuck are my dick jokes. >:<
You better not keep your 'wordfset' secret; because your keeping mum is quickly turning people against you.
More Dan defending. That's 3 posts buddying him already.
If he flips scum we lynch ActionDan too.
I will say it a fourth time. I am voting for Rou because I think he is scum. My reasons are my own. I don't care to elaborate on them at this stage.This is not an acceptable answer on any level. You've gone from 'I'm using my own methods from another forum' to 'I have my methods but I'm not telling you'. My townread on you is quickly vanishing into the ether.
I don't feel like changing my vote. There may be better targets out there but I'm confident with mine for now. It's enough for me to find out at the end of the game if I was right or not.
- Play to win.If you are town and playing to win that means voting for the player who is scummiest in your opinion. Admitting that you are not voting for the player you find scummiest is not playing to win and completely against the spirit of the game. That or you are scum using Appeal to Emotion in order to get people to pass you by.
- Don't be lame. Seriously.
Rai: You don't mention NNR anywhere in this series of posts. Why? Also if Sky and Dan are scum, why did Sky react so abruptly to ED1 Dan pressure?Also it's Roukan, not Roukin. >:|
Raikaria
This is where people would ordinarily say 'well lining up lynches is a scum move'. However, I'm not following this template. Only you are in a position to know if my dismissal of this 'scumslip' is valid.
What will you do now?
Raikaria
I don't care. I also don't mind if I get lynched because it will support my hypothesis that the scum meta templates you guys are working with is flawed. That's why scum wins most games here.
Many people are continuing to misinterpret me because they are unable to seek outside their pre-concieved ideas of what town do/what scum do.
I will say it a fourth time. I am voting for Rou because I think he is scum. My reasons are my own. I don't care to elaborate on them at this stage.
Rai: I mean along the lines of 'NNR is one of the other large wagons in play right now. Why do you never mention him or his case or your opinion on his case?'
The aim of the game is to convince the other people in the game to lynch who you think is scum if you are a townie.
I'm prepared to die to achieve the town goal.DYING DOES NOT MAKE YOUR ARGUMENT ANY MORE CONVINCING
The aim of MY game is to identify the scum and get them killed through any means possible. We are playing to different objectives, therefore, of course my style appears 'lame'. I'm prepared to die to achieve the town goal. Are you?
As for your question: Yes; I am 100% prepared to die for the town goal.
However town reads are easy to find, so now I will attempt the magic of finding something 'scummy'.Something about this quote really bothers me, but I'm not entirely sure what.
Secondarily:
If Rou and Raikaria are so confident that I am scum because I am (allegedly) defending Dan, why didn't they vote for Dan?
If Dan was town, why would scum defend him? (Never mind that is exactly what I did in the previous game :D But that was because I knew for sure he was the miller.)
And if Dan was scum, and you thought he was scum, why didn't you vote for him? Instead you voted for me because I was 'defending' Dan. You should still vote for Dan, and then pursue me if he flipped red. You don't go for the defender, because a well-meaning town can still defend scum.
Not really a huge fan of the number of people clearing ActionDan based almost entirely on meta. Between trying to look too hard to appear town, giving awful reasoning for votes, being really reactionary when voted to not even that close to a lynch, and the fact that he... seems to have somewhat disappeared since, I'm strongly inclined to think that he's a pretty solid target for today.
Wait, SkyPaladin, you think Roukan is scummy for being "too zealous"? (Nevermind the fact that he's always a bit overzealous, even discounting meta that's a really dumb reason to consider someone is scum unless their justifications for voting that person are horrible, and, uh, they're really not).
##Vote: SkyPaladin
Going to re-read a few posts, but the latest set of SkyPaladin/Roukan exchanges aren't doing much to change my opinion here.
The aim of MY game is to identify the scum and get them killed through any means possible.Sorry but saying that someone is scum and not giving any good reasons why is NOT EVER GOING TO GET THEM KILLED. You're saying he's scum for making an overzealous push. WHY THE HELL IS IT OVERZEALOUS THEN THIS IS THE THINGS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE USING TO SHOW US THAT HE'S SCUMMY
Yes, everyone's going to be new at some point, and that's perfectly fine, but having a bunch of people like that at once is going to result in things like mislynches that normally could have gone better or the game hitting lylo with a bunch of people who might not make the best decisions.
(SHUSH)
Serela is basically sheeping BT's post though. I'm unsure if AD and Serela's sheeping is because of BT's reputation or if they legitimately think the case is solid [I'm more 'Eh I don't really see what's so bad here?']Erph >> I guess technically I can't defend myself against this. I made my opinion on NNR before I seriously read through BT's post about him, agreeing with it AFTERWORDS, but no one has anything to trust but my word and the order I made the relevant post in- I could theoretically be scum lying about deciding it before they say BT say it.
Back just to say I don't actually have time for this today, possibly this next week because finals and stuff. I'll probably be replacing out, although I''ll try to play again if there's no replacement waiting.
Roukinsquiet you >:<
Hmm. I don't see this as a good reason to unvote NNR. Scum can be busy too and it's an easy ticket out of having to defend oneself, so it's null.Personally I figure that playing the 'I'm busy plz replace me' card as a means of avoiding defense would be the epitome of lame play. Saying 'I'm busy I can't talk' is one thing, saying 'I'm busy enough that I'll probably have to drop out' is another. If it is NNR using a /replace as an excuse not to comment I will be quite frankly disgusted.
Hmm. I don't see this as a good reason to unvote NNR.
Lynching bofh is literally garbage because we have no idea if he's town or scum and after we lynch him we learn nothing about anything.
Superlurking is his meta anyway >_> Not that he's going to get excused for doing nothing forever, but lynching the eternal lurker for lurking d1 would be a waste of time.
The reason for lynching NNR isn't even lurking anyway. Him and bofh are not the same.
and 2ndly I'm not convinced he's town.
you know I'm trying to lay off saying x is town.
but I think Sky Paladin is town.
I think it's hardly grasping for trying to vote anybody but sky if I've only expressed interest in voting 2 people.It is when you suddenly suggest going for bofh with about 5 hours to deadline and absolutely no votes on the wagon.
And now the thing finally comes full circle. Previously, Sky attacked me for going for Dan. Now Dan is attacking bofh for going for Sky. The scumpair theory is looking more and more reasonable by the minute.
They are massively defending Rou, who I believe to be scum.
They are massively tunneling on me for continued to misinterpret reasons.
Scumslip about lining up lynches.
When I said "I did not vote for you because 'I am not following the standard template, therefore you are not scum'"disregarded this point, implying that both Rou and Raikaria are scum.
That will do.
And there are more vote for Raikaria than Rou, who I am not confident I can get a lynch on.
##Vote Raikaria
Secondarily:
If Rou and Raikaria are so confident that I am scum because I am (allegedly) defending Dan, why didn't they vote for Dan?
If Dan was town, why would scum defend him? (Never mind that is exactly what I did in the previous game :D But that was because I knew for sure he was the miller.)
Finally:
The aim of MY game is to identify the scum and get them killed through any means possible. We are playing to different objectives, therefore, of course my style appears 'lame'. I'm prepared to die to achieve the town goal. Are you?
but isn't he voting raikaria now
not that I like the raikaria vote but
- Whenever town or scum forgoes their faction kill (the lynch, in town's case), the other faction gains a bonus faction kill to be used during the next phase only. This bonus kill, if not used, will not be given back to the first faction in the sequence.In other words, if we don't get a majority vote on someone by the end of the day, scum will get two nightkills. This is very bad and pretty much makes any lynch preferable to no lynch.
And bofh isn't just a lurker.Why?
He's scummy. And you have not acknowledged that idea at all.
right. I've made 2 votes. One was on Prims for RVS, the other was on Neko and I borrowed BT's reasoning. 'not even close to a lynch' - sounds slimey.
trying too hard to appear town is most definitely a fallacious reason to attack someone for being scum. Because it suggests you see behaviors that town would do. town behavior ==> scum doesn't make sense unless you go into why the apparent town behaviors are scummy which isn't done in this post.
Not really a huge fan of the number of people clearing ActionDan based almost entirely on meta. Between trying to look too hard to appear town, giving awful reasoning for votes, being really reactionary when voted to not even that close to a lynch, and the fact that he... seems to have somewhat disappeared since, I'm strongly inclined to think that he's a pretty solid target for today.Trying too hard to appear town - your constant arguing in ED1 that you are definitely town rather than trying to actually find scum.
Also pushed to fulfill the Dormio role without stopping to ask why, jumped very quickly on the PX bandwagon as soon as BBM mentioned itDormio had 3/5 and it looked like he was quickly going to get some more regardless of whether I was going to help or not. At that rate, someone would accidentally say more of the words within the next few game days, so I figured I should just get it over with.
At that rate, someone would accidentally say more of the words within the next few game days, so I figured I should just get it over with.
OK, here is how I read the Alice post with how it talks about you.Trying too hard to appear town - your constant arguing in ED1 that you are definitely town rather than trying to actually find scum.
Giving awful reasoning for votes - 'let's vote bofh near deadline because he made one post with problems I'm making up on the spot'
Reactionary - I pretty much already made this case about you earlier.
Disappeared since - You really haven't done much in terms of scumfinding, you've done more to argue why certain cases (read: Sky) are bad than actively trying to pursue your own and give decent reasoning.
Also something I want to mention as an aside - if Sky flips scum, another person who probably needs looked at D2 is Serela. Also pushed to fulfill the Dormio role without stopping to ask why, jumped very quickly on the PX bandwagon as soon as BBM mentioned it, wrote off the early Dan pressure as 'silliness' (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1050354.html#msg1050354), mentions frustration with Sky's play (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1050581.html#msg1050581) but still never shows signs of actually considering the possibility he is scum, and repeatedly pushes for the alternative NNR wagon.
what a joke.
tbh dan has a point thereYay for both of you saying 'you're wrong' and neither of you bothering to explain why!
My scumhunting is "I don't think Raikaria is scum and I think NNR is more scummy then SkyPaladin"
Yay for both of you saying 'you're wrong' and neither of you bothering to explain why!
OK I think we have about 4 hours to deadline. Who is around?
hey maybe that's because it's so laughably flawed. You probably should reread the thread if you can't understand how your expansion on bofh's reasons for finding me to be scum are either chronologically out of sync with when he made the post or otherwise made up shitYou're the one claiming that what I say is bullshit. That means the burden of proof is on you.
Unless you had a power that activated on death I don't know why the hell a townie would ever list themselves as a lynch option >_>;
Hi I come in and see that Raikaria would rather give scum a double kill than vote for anyone other than Sky Pallidium why has nobody not see this?
I'm here but literally the only way I am going to vote anyone except Sky_Paladin is if the chances of him getting lynched are less than a snowball's chance of remaining whole in an active volcano. I am even willing to hold the hostage here and say I am not willing to switch if my switch would be a deadline swing. That is how seriously I consider Sky scum.
That's how scummy I think Sky is; and it baffles me as to how people think NNR is worse from a single post and a lack of activity than literally every post from Sky dripping with scum, and nothing he has done being protown.
I still don't know why it's worth bothering to say you'll gladly lynch yourself for town when SkyPaladin is far far more likely to be lynched then you anyway? If we can't get the numbers to lynch Sky we're kind of already doomed >_>;
Thanks for the misrepresentation.
Hi I come in and see that Raikaria would rather give scum a double kill than vote for anyone other than Sky Pallidium why has nobody not see this?
I am pleased to see that you can have a small sliver of the giant mountain of rage I have from seeing pages of the same people saying I am defending Dan when I haven't done anything of the sort.
Remember I just subbed into the game around fifteen hours ago. That's why people think I haven't done anything all game.
I guess there's no reason for me to keep silent about my role.
I'm a common or garden variety vanilla town.
My scumpicks are Rou, Raikaria, and BBM.
The end.
Ugh I have a lot to catch up with deadline incoming and kind of don't want to. What are the wagons like?Six votes on Paladin, three on NNR. Eight to lynch, really running out of options.
Ugh I have a lot to catch up with deadline incoming and kind of don't want to. What are the wagons like?
HEY ROUHas anybody actually made an accusation against Raikaria in the last eight hours or so? The lack of discussion about him sort of implies that his case lost all steam.
Is there some reason you conspiciously left out the wagon on Raikaria?
He is on three votes too!
HEY ROUI missed this too.
Is there some reason you conspiciously left out the wagon on Raikaria?
He is on three votes too!
Has anybody actually made an accusation against Raikaria in the last eight hours or so? The lack of discussion about him sort of implies that his case lost all steam.
BT do you actually expect to bring about a Raikaria lynch in the next hour :|No but voting him now and making this sort of a double-wagon thing over the NNR one that lost steam for obvious reasons is like the best way to get more information on that front. Plus it's totally where my priorities lie.
No but voting him now and making this sort of a double-wagon thing over the NNR one that lost steam for obvious reasons is like the best way to get more information on that front. Plus it's totally where my priorities lie.
The "Edible Has Been Fired For Complacency" Votecount
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Shadoweh (0): Serela
Serela (0): Shadoweh, Prims, PX, Zakeri
Prims (0): Serela, PX
ActionDan (1): PX, Roukan, Prims, NekoNekoRex
BT (0): PX
Raikaria (4): PX, Prims, PX, Sky Paladin, Roukan, BT
PX (1): Prims, BigBangMeteor, Serela, BT, Zakeri
Zakeri (1): CF7, NekoNekoRex
Roukins (0): Sky Paladin, Raikaria
NekoNekoRex (3): BT, Serela, Roukan, Prims, Roukan
Sky Paladin (6): BigBangMeteor, Shadoweh, Raikaria, bofh, Roukan, Serela, Actiondan
uh I tried to do this really hasty-like so I screwed up parts of it
Not voting (0): Nobody!
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are just over 3 hours remaining in the day.
My internet at work went down ;_; - Edible
You are Kyoichi Saionji, the self-centered, slap-happy misogynist. You've been thinking for a while that nothing in life will ever really make you happy, but now that you have a chance to duel your way out of this hell hole prison of an academy, you're allowing yourself just a little hope...
Despite your long, flowing hair, fabulous abs, and substantial kendo skills, you are simply a Vanilla Townie. Sux. :<
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Good luck!
You are Kanae Ohtori, the bride-to-be of one of the biggest assholes in history. Despite your extremely high position within Ohtori Academy, you're really not all that relevant after the first couple of episodes of the Black Rose Saga, so you are simply a Vanilla Townie. Sux. :<
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Good luck!
ActionDan is innocent.
And now the thing finally comes full circle. Previously, Sky attacked me for going for Dan. Now Dan is attacking bofh for going for Sky. The scumpair theory is looking more and more reasonable by the minute.And despite having nothing to do with anything this line just rubs me the wrong way. He'd just stopped waffling on Sky an hour before and he was already doing this.
Giving awful reasoning for votes - 'let's vote bofh near deadline because he made one post with problems I'm making up on the spot'And another one. Major misrep of Dan's arguments here.
I still don't want to lynch Raikaria, if that helps. And I don't want to lynch Rou, which I bring up since BT suggests him as a target.Yeah can you at least tell me why so I prove you wrong or you prove me wrong because leaving it at that brings us nowhere?
Not super happy with prims. that "skyscum probably wouldn't claim VT" is a good call but something like that is entirely too late at that point and I think Prims could have commented on the wagon way way earlier.I agreed with the case and had nothing to add, pretty sure I said this.
Rou's vote movement is questionable in hindsight. At first I was a little bothered by how he concurred NNR was scummy for pushing hard on a bad wagon [Dan's] when he was doing much of the same, so I looked over his ISO and he never actually mentions why Dan wasn't a main point of consideration for him anymore. Because the crowd was giving Dan a pass? Rou's conviction on Dan was clearly strong enough so that's just unnatural. Saying NNR was pushing a 'questionable' wagon has the same problem because Rou never says why the wagon suddenly looked questionable to him, especially when he was one of the people on it. He just... switches to NNR/Rai scumpicks so 'cleanly' it reads like he was just sheeping popular opinion.Dan never really fell out of contention to me so much as 'bigger fish came up and caught attention'. I say here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1050477.html#msg1050477) that I still don't feel comfortable about him but there didn't seem to be any sign of a lynch. And I still push him about stuff for a decent amount of the end of day 1.
And despite having nothing to do with anything this line just rubs me the wrong way. He'd just stopped waffling on Sky an hour before and he was already doing this.Again a large part of my theory was that they were a pair. This was kind of me trying to convince myself things would work out, because before his big 'I'm not cooperating with anyone!' rant I'd been getting really big derptown vibes from Paladin. We can all see how well that went : (
And another one. Major misrep of Dan's arguments here.THIS I will concede as me getting far too angry at Dan. One of the things I have learned - well, relearned from playing this game is the animosity. If I'm going to be perfectly honest Dan's play was bad enough but his attitude just got me really really frustrated about him, his 'holier than thou' routine even when he made scummy plays right and left. The post that came from was a mis-extension and I'll concede the argument was made while I was in a bad state of mind.
5: Zakeri - Eh; if I recall Zakeri is only really active when tiring to be manipulative and is the scums.Yes, he marks his suspicion on the guy who got killed last night. This could easily be chalked up to forgetfulness, but I severely doubt scum would forget who they nightkilled.
Rou why do I get a pass when I'm also self-admittedly too lazy to do shit?I felt your argument against Rai was relatively consistent and a lot less questionable than other things people have done so far.
##Vote: Polaris
Though still, why did you call the Dan wagon questionable? That still sticks out like a sore thumb.I meant that NNR's reasoning on that wagon was questionable and generally accepted as misrep from all parties involved. I still didn't like Dan but a lot of what NNR said about him was just plain untrue.
Bofh's opinion on Dan looks 90% stolen from one of Rou's old posts and his Paladin reasons aren't original either. The only other content he has is a one line gutread on Shadoeweh and that's not much at all. Not happy with him. I don't like how Dan shows up just to argue against that though and then runs off again though.
Rou, What was with the yelling at Rai yesterday for promoting no-lynch, that's clearly not what he was doing and you made him sound like a terrorist for lack of a better word.Rai's wording of 'I am even willing to hold the hostage here' came across to me as him basically being willing to go to any extreme to not move from Paladin and seemed a little TOO forceful to actually help.
People should stop talking about the announcement/public cop because you're narrowing down who sent the message. Rou asking for everyone's 'opinions' on it is kind of shameful.
BT's claiming comment on NNR bugs me a lot. Why would scum!NNR care so much about claiming if he could just claim VT? Subbing out with no time is something NNR would do as both alignments and the way you're pushing this as a way to dodge claiming bugs me. I expected to find more on him but I've still got nothing else but weird gut right now that makes me dislike him.
1. Why did I suspect Dan for going along with the plan? Because he became extremely agitated and reactionary when people started to look in his direction. That in conjunction with mindlessly fulfilling Dormio's win condition got me cautious.
2. What made Rai worse than BBM? The retraction of his vote in 115 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1050349.html#msg1050349) without trying to make another case read to me as scum trying to cover their tracks after being called out.
3. Why did I go for Sky in spite of my earlier townread? Several reasons, primarily feeling like a jerk for voting someone who had to replace (NNR). The Sky/Dan scumpair also made more sense with each post the pair made defending each other, and that late in the day it didn't seem reasonable to get a case on someone like Rai.
4. Why did I go for BBM at the start of D2? After the Sky wagon I wanted to put pressure on the early pushers. I didn't think the case on bofh would gain speed so hastily (I remember him having a bizarre ability to do really scummy shit and never get called out for it) so I wanted to poke at someone else and see how they'd respond. His answer more or less answered my questions and I'm now getting a decent townread off of him.
1. It was more of a "why is Dan following the plan worse than 4 other people", which you did actually address but why is blindly following the plan scummy, considering that he would've known Dormio wasn't scum and could've risked activating a powerful town role or something?The problem there was more his attempt afterwards to say things like 'randomly activating roles like this is good for town!' (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1050162.html#msg1050162) when it totally isn't.
I feel like almost the entire game has implied that they don't mind lynching PX at this point and I feel just a little bit uneasy about it. Like, even I think PX is kinda scummy, but if everyone's in agreement then scum are undoubtedly taking part in this PX lynch mob which is where my paranoia kicks in.Perhaps, but it's also possible that scum just doesn't have a good way to defend his actions and trying too hard would expose them en masse after the PX flip. If people act scummy, they should be lynched - it doesn't help if we second guess ourselves like this.
Rai's wording of 'I am even willing to hold the hostage here' came across to me as him basically being willing to go to any extreme to not move from Paladin and seemed a little TOO forceful to actually help.I find that when someone is willing to hold the game hostage for their own crazy stunts that mindset comes from town though. I mean, I agree with you it was an extreme move, I just don't see the jump from that to him being a scumbag.
Also I have never played a game with this announcer/cop role before. I wasn't sure if there was precedent so I was wondering what the typical reaction to an announcement like this was. Personally I see no sign that it's not some sort of scumrole playing mindgames.
Rai's comment on Zak doesn't mean all that much because (1) it's a really easy "townslip" to fake and (2) it's just as 'weird' for town to ignore the flip. Rai isn't the sharpest player but I don't think he's an airhead either. Thinking about it... It still means Rai must have faked the slip to be scum (or be a gigantic airhead) which is acceptably likely but getting to that point where I'm assuming too much at a time.
Rairai you should really remember what I've done seeing as I helped start the not-you wagon. <_<
I feel like almost the entire game has implied that they don't mind lynching PX at this point and I feel just a little bit uneasy about it. Like, even I think PX is kinda scummy, but if everyone's in agreement then scum are undoubtedly taking part in this PX lynch mob which is where my paranoia kicks in.Or scum just don't want to bother defending their sinking buddy.
Prims why is PX's sheeping different from normal sheeping?Missed this question; it's buddying and encouraging MS-esque circlejerking.
PX gets second runner up for being overall highly meh all game.meant to fix this sentence and forgot; it's not just "meh" but people have pointed out things he did that seem misreppy or don't make sense with his previous stuff or something along those lines, etc
The actual part of the case is Polly voting bofh because lurker who jumped on the lynched townie, and then not really doing much townie-inspiring afterwords.
Half of the playerlist still has a depressingly low amount of content (even -with- considering it was a 48 hour d1), is it okay if I postpone having serious opinions until I get back from work tomorrow so they'll hopefully have posted?
nothing to be gleamed,
with the potential to 160 his slot status
afterwords
but his thought process is so open and he just readily admits to faults in his play so easily that I feel like he's not scum.My playstyle makes me obvtown whenever I'm not immediately lynched first (or if I'm scum and end up being pretty clearly not-town-serela as usual, with some RARE BUT AWESOME EXCEPTIONS) it's just, so fabulous :D
I don't like Serela's "least helpful in RVS" vote on PX, it just seems fabricated because nobody really did townie stuff in RVS, although PX's slot's been weak on the whole and I don't really have a lot to say on him that hasn't been already. I would lynch him I guess?the game was still barely out of RVS and I was voting him because, when slightly more serious discussion was starting, he just came in for "lol you're idiots" and left, so I voted him for most useless 'contribution'
I feel like almost the entire game has implied that they don't mind lynching PX at this point and I feel just a little bit uneasy about it. Like, even I think PX is kinda scummy, but if everyone's in agreement then scum are undoubtedly taking part in this PX lynch mob which is where my paranoia kicks in.Now my question here is this: why PX in particular? The game is just as eager to come together and lynch bofh, from what I'm aware. Why are you anxious about one wagon but not the other?
PX has been prodded for inactivity./wrist
Now my question here is this: why PX in particular? The game is just as eager to come together and lynch bofh, from what I'm aware. Why are you anxious about one wagon but not the other?
I don't think I lurked that hard yesterday? It was only 48 hours, it's not like it needs 500 posts. Rairai you should really remember what I've done seeing as I helped start the not-you wagon. <_< Just a quick look at yesterday shows really weird pressure on Rai because he wasn't compromising on vote choice. I am slightly confident in starting questioning here.
Just something about your D1 made me stop and go 'This isn't the Shadoweh I know'.
Is this scum!Shadoweh, or just different!Shadoweh in general? The latter isn't a tell imo, because just because a person is playing differently doesn't mean they're scum. I agree that Shadoweh's play has been kind of bad but I don't think this is a good reason to be suspicious.
I had this post open for 4 hours tabbed out oops. I should probably reread some people.
One absolutely spectacular fail at attempting to keep track of time later, I am here again (and hopefully there shouldn't be any more of these episodes again). Now to catch up on the day's posts.
Also I find it amusing I'm the only one who reads Shadoweh acting different to normal as a towntell. That said; IDK what Town!Shadoweh usually is like. Is town Shadoweh usually this lurky?
Isn't this completely contradictory?
Just something about your D1 made me stop and go 'This isn't the Shadoweh I know'.Can you go into detail?
Actually; on the Shadoweh topic; in most games both me and Shadoweh is in; Shadoweh is scum. So maybe Shadoweh acting different from what I consider normal is a townread? :wat:...I'm actually wanting to factcheck this. When was Shadoweh scum in the last forever, anyway? GHW? This "in most games" shtick sounds like you made it up on the spot.
Can you go into detail?
...I'm actually wanting to factcheck this. When was Shadoweh scum in the last forever, anyway? GHW? This "in most games" shtick sounds like you made it up on the spot.
Give me your priorities too. All I see from you right now is a vote on PX which you're sitting real cozy on. What about the rest of the people you listed in your Lurker List(tm)? For what purpose did you list them if you weren't going to actually consider them today from the looks of it? Okay you mentioned bofh too but that's just the other obvious lurker and is an effortless backup vote.
You didn't answer when I said your comment on Polly is weird. Are you avoiding me? You could have plainly seen that he was in the game by virtue of him POSTING MULTIPLE TIMES WHEN THE DAY STARTED so it sounds like you made it up to discredit his slot.
Honestly I'm pretty neutral on Polly. I generally have a null read on him.
It's an unreasonable attack on their cases and the same thing I said Rai was doing to PX on D1.
Shadoweh is in my top 5 worst reads this game, so in the future that's a definitely a thing worth looking into, but I'd rather lynch PX or Polaris I think.
(the other two are SB and Bofh mostly because of unreadability but SB's d2 is looking alright so far and bofh is hopefully about to not be nonexistent)
It's mostly gut. Shadoweh's been a lot less active than usual; and something about how Shadoweh's posts sounded D1 felt different. It's something very hard to quantify.Except one can usually point to exactly what felt different about someone. Shadoweh did not have a lot of posts. It must have been something she said or did that would explain this sort of thing. I want you to tell me what it is that was the source of this gut read.
Well remember we're looking for games that both me and Shadoweh played in. It certainly feels like Shadoweh turns out scum in most games I play with her.Again, I can only recall GFW as an example for this.
You speak as if I am the most narrow-minded person in the game right now; when I considered more things than most seem to have.And? I'm not criticizing you as much as I'm questioning you so you can tell me things I don't know yet. Bouncing the question back to me is really passive-aggressive here, plus I clearly said what I was going to do next.
And you ask me for a list of priorities; but where are your own? I gave priorities towards the end of D1; and besides Alice moving up over time; very little has changed; as very little has actually occurred D2.
I have a null read on Polly. He hadn't done much of note D1 and was a strongly null read so I overlooked him. I am not discrediting the slot; the slot at the time had not done anything. Please do not make out I am 'avoiding you'. I am being open and honest.Um. I'm not asking you for your read. I'm asking why you claimed you forgot Polly was playing when it was impossible to do so unless you literally didn't read the thread.
PX never had a solid case. Ever. I was far from the only one to question PX's vote on me too. Literally all PX has done this game is tunnel on me. I'm not even sure if his posts have mentioned other people except for the one where he voted everyone involved in the Dormio escapade.Okay but there's "questioning a case" and there's "I'm going to explain my behavior and then attack this guy because look, I explained my behavior". PX's case was not solid but that's not the issue.
Except one can usually point to exactly what felt different about someone. Shadoweh did not have a lot of posts. It must have been something she said or did that would explain this sort of thing. I want you to tell me what it is that was the source of this gut read.
Also I find it amusing I'm the only one who reads Shadoweh acting different to normal as a towntell. That said; IDK what Town!Shadoweh usually is like. Is town Shadoweh usually this lurky?Only when I sleep for 14 hours. Also stop starting every page with a comment about me, it's creepy.
Is your read on us due to the fact that we're lurking (well, CF7 did in my case) or something else? Plus tbh I think I've posted a decent amount today for you to get a read on my by now so the fact you keep coming back to this is kind of annoying me because I feel like my posts are just kind of being ignored. I dunno if this is actually scummy though.It was because your slot basically didn't exist until d2 started- you were in the worst only because you were unreadable and everyone else was some degree of townread. As I said, your posts have been looking good so far, so that was supposed to imply that I'm probably not going to want to lynch you anytime soon! I see how that could be kind of unclear, though.
and those votes on bofh better not go anywhereThis is misleading, I meant "they better not turn into an actual wagon on bofh". But I worded it really badly.
Also 15 posts of Shadoweh is lurking doesn't help either of us you know. What do you want to hear from me?
(I actually remembered later that Dormio was part-roleblocker and that there probably wouldn't be another one, so I messed up my PMs and accidentally sent the second one to myself instead. Otherwise I would've checked for ##Rolecop.)
Oh yeah and if I survive tonight I want to check for any sort of ##Announce action since that will probably clear up that bit at least.
I tend to stay out of meta arguments
Zakeri is just trying to encourage a D1 Raikaria lynch for traditional reasons that don't even hold water.
Yeah; turns out the guy I pushed was a VT. Typical that the guy acting most scummy was a VT.
In fact if it wasn't for the OP saying a 3rd party's wincon can be trusted to require survival; I'd say he was a Jester.
In fact if he flips town I will be astounded.
Raikaria and BT are both really obviously town pls stop fighting. At the very least I get the impression BT just wants to keep his case alive and is now pushing nitpicks like the "I forgot Polly was playing" quote (hint this is a stock phrase, you can say it about somebody you knew was playing, like I did 2 posts ago) because of it.Even if it's a thing people say it was kind of out of place there considering Polly just joined the game. But whatever.
Meh. Inclined to agree with Prims about Polaris's role.
##Unvote, ##Vote: PX (L-1!) because I may not be here for phase end. I think I should be, but better to be safe.
PX's last post quotes random things out of context and is also contradictory because he mentions how Raikaria doesn't mind the BT case on him so much and then goes on in the next sentence to talk about how Raikaria attacks everyone attacking him. Also the last thing about Raikaria saying he wouldn't switch his vote off Sky isn't even a scummy thing to do/say.
I'm ready to hammer whenever necessary. We have over 9 hours though, so I'll give people (HELLO BOFH DID YOU DIE?) chances to chime in first just in case. Would prefer that someone else doesn't come in and go "there's really no point in waiting *HAMMERS*" in the meanwhile >_>;
Although since I highly doubt anyone objects to a PX lynch, and I don't think there's any important discussion that cannot wait until d3, I'm mostly just trying to give bofh a chance to post because he really goddamn needs to. I'm gonna lynch him in the face tomorrow at this rate. :T
Reporting over analysis much?
Can anybody serious come up with a case for why am I am mafia other than lurking and your posts are bad? Because having my posts get called bad is just serious demotivation. Not even trying to be linked to being scum, just being called bad. Seriously, Raikaria's I'm better than you attitude just pisses me off.
Now might be a good time to claim as well PX; although since you neglected to do so at L-2 and now L-1 when multiple people have called for it I think it would be safe to assume at this point that any claim you do make is likely a fakeclaim.
You are Nanami Kiryuu, the narcissistic, incestual beauty queen of Ohtori Academy. You somehow weaseled your way into leadership of the student council while your brother was sick, but you cocked it all up, and your other schemes tend to end the same way. Thus, no one trusts you to be anything more than a simple Vanilla Townie. Sux. :<
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Good luck!
You are Ruka Tsuchiya, the sickly, flamboyant fencing club ex-president. You appeared very briefly, apparently only existing to test Utena for unknown reasons, before fading back into obscurity.
You are a Vengeful Spirit, aligned with the town.
- I'm Baaaaaaack!: If you are killed, you will be given the option each night to ##Resurrect. If you do so, you will be able to vote in the game thread, and your vote will count toward the overall vote total. You may not speak otherwise, however, and you may only unvote and vote once in each post. You also must wait for at least three other posts after you post before you can post again. If I see people being lame by spamming nothings in order to let you post again so you can send messages from beyond the grave, I may take punishing actions that I feel are appropriate. Once you have returned for one extra day, you will re-die and not be able to ##Resurrect again. You may not active this ability on any night that follows a day where *YLO is announced.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Good luck!
You are Mitsuru Tsuwabuki, the big-hearted, small-statured elementary schooler with a nigh-sadistic megacrush on Nanami Kiryuu. Infatuation aside, you're actually one of the most well-adjusted characters in the entire series. Good for you!
You are a Holy Roller, aligned with the town.
- Love Chance Get!: You're a gambling man with some strong faith in a higher power - there's no other real way to explain why you set up so many life-threatening situations for Nanami only to try to save her right before she dies. Each night, you may ##Guess a number between 1 and whatever you think the following day's lynch threshold will be, inclusive. If you are that number vote on the final lynch train on the following day, you will be able to ##Protect a target the following night, stopping any killing actions directed their way. You can ##Guess and ##Protect in the same night.
- Hippocratic Oaf: You can't let anyone know about your methods, or Nanami will hate you forever for all the shit you've put her through. If you claim the method by which you gain the ability to ##Protect in the thread, your medical license will be stripped and you will never be able to ##Protect anyone again.
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Good luck!
Well I'm on the computer but I want to check Youtube and Tumblr first so I'll just make quick notes.
##Vote bofh I hope nobody is surprised by this vote being here
Was going to consider a scum!Serela today but he died so whoops lol. Makes PoE just a little bit easier at least.
Shadoweh is probably a pretty high contender for today's lynch with her lol on PX and I'll look at her more closely since I forgot to do that yesterday.
I never liked how BBM was pressing me so I'm uneasy about him, but I don't really have anything beyond that.
SB and huh what are in the clear for now, barring another flip forcing me to reconsider all my reads which I hate doing >:(
I'm Wakaba, Vanilla Town. I want to congratulate Kilga for giving me the only character I hate more then Saionji and Anthy combined. Do I even duel ever? I think I get one in the black rose arc?scum post
I am Juri Arisugawa;_;
BBM: I didn't care about lynching you D2. My lynch priorities changed, you shot up to #3 in my list so I thought I'd make a mention.
Town opinions aside, I'm probably not scum with SB, wasn't he one of the first people to start pointing me out and voting me yesterday?
Maybe he got Roleclopped already and they know he's harmless!lmao my initial reaction to this was "did Serela just scumslip???" but then i remembered you were confirmed town :(
lmao my initial reaction to this was "did Serela just scumslip???" but then i remembered you were confirmed town :(rofl I had thought this exact same thing when I reread the post after posting it
shadoweh why would you even say thisBecause it's true? If you're going to build a scumteam for me at least have it make sense in context.
Also I just want to say that Shadoweh attacking me for "not being the cop or doc" kind of skeeves me out given that I was blocked last night.prims do you have something to share with the class
Stop being lazy and then saying I'm a good lynch for being lazy, it makes you a hypocrite.This doesn't say anything about my alignment, you're just saying "STOP ATTACKING ME OR YOU'LL LOOK BAD!".
BBM: I didn't care about lynching you D2. My lynch priorities changed, you shot up to #3 in my list so I thought I'd make a mention.This is BS even with Bofh getting cleared and PX getting lynched. I would still be #3 after those two if you found my way of pushing at you suspicious, as the other people who flipped (Serela and Raikaria) were either in a similar "don't-care" position or were a townread, to you. And even if other people dying/getting cleared put me up on the list, if you didn't like me based on things that happened yesterday, you could have said it yesterday, especially considering that I asked you so many times to out all your suspicions. If you didn't like how I did something, you had no excuse not to out it yesterday, at all, when it's an answer to a question I asked you at least twice.
all I remember SB doing is attacking Rou. If he said anything about Shadoweh, he didn't push it very much.
I agree with what SB said about Shadoweh in that last post.
some of these things you just can't make up
if that's a public cop with I assume it is, it would have been 10 times better used on bofh/NNR(Polaris).
ActionDan (1): NekoNekoRexremoved italic votes from this near-end-d1 votecount (before more consolidations onto skypal happened more, 8 to lynch d1) CF7's vote on Zak is removed because it was a rvs jokevote iirc. NNR becomes Polly starting d2. Rou is colored blue because he's probably town but I'm not going to push it all the way. Scum lying to save bofh from being autolynched would be hilarious but from what we know town probably has a cop? Also I think Rou is a strong townread before all the claiming stuff happened. I'm really tempted to color Prims teal too, but I'll stop myself.
Raikaria (3): Prims, PX, Sky Paladin
PX (1): Zakeri
NekoNekoRex (3): BT, ActionDan, Serela, (prims/roukan had voted here previously and prims voteswitched back at day-end)
Sky Paladin (5): BigBangMeteor, Shadoweh, Raikaria, bofh, Roukan
BigBangMeteor (0): RoukanEdited the near-end-d2 votecount slightly to reflect Prims wagonswinging things towards PX here. It's followed by polly wagon dying for PX's wagon after the claim. Didn't remove italics because they weren't mostly ED1 shenanigans this time and didn't hugely bloat the count like D1's would have been.
bofh (2): Polaris, ActionDan
Raikaria (1): BT, PX
Serela (0): BigBangMeteor
PX (4): Raikaria, Roukan, Shadoweh, Prims
Polaris (3): Serela, BigBangMeteor, BT
Roukan (0): Serious Bananas
Shadoweh (1): Serious Bananas
ActionDan (1): Roukan (this will likely get moved when rou posts again? AD being scum isn't out of the question but I also think it's fairly unlikely, w/e we'll see)
Shadoweh (3): Prims, Polaris, BigBangMeteor, Serious Bananas
Polaris (1): Serela
BigBangMeteor (2): ActionDan, Polaris
Not voting (3): Shadoweh, BT, bofh
Hmm. Serela's last effort post shows a strange level of apathy. I supose I feel better about him for not trying so hard to make up nonsense. I don't think im in a position to judge but my alcohgol induced brain says he is legit. since when has Captain Morgan ever lied to me?
I didn't have a read on Serela, threatening him is how I get one. I actually still don't have one though, I keep reading his posts and they're like ?_?First quote is in line with Shadoweh normally being able to read Serela in some way. Second quote seemed weird to me the first time because of what I just said, then I remembered the first quote and um Shadoweh did you try to handwave Serela here so hard you forgot you'd read him already?
why is my role utterly uselessSo it can be easy to fake.
and I guess I'll consider that BT case when I have the patience to read it
Oh and rou I didn't submit anything in case Polaris used his ability to try and find any other action.
ActionDan (1): NekoNekoRex
Raikaria (3): Prims, PX, Sky Paladin
PX (1): Zakeri
NekoNekoRex (3): BT, ActionDan, Serela, (prims/roukan had voted here previously and prims voteswitched back at day-end)
Sky Paladin (5): BigBangMeteor, Shadoweh, Raikaria, bofh, Roukan
BigBangMeteor (0): Roukan
bofh (2): Polaris, ActionDan
Raikaria (1): BT, PX
Serela (0): BigBangMeteor
PX (4): Raikaria, Roukan, Shadoweh, Prims
Polaris (3): Serela, BigBangMeteor, BT
Roukan (0): Serious Bananas
Shadoweh (1): Serious Bananas
ActionDan (1): Roukan (this will likely get moved when rou posts again? AD being scum isn't out of the question but I also think it's fairly unlikely, w/e we'll see)
Shadoweh (3): Prims, Polaris, BigBangMeteor, Serious Bananas
Polaris (1): Serela
BigBangMeteor (2): ActionDan, Polaris
Not voting (3): Shadoweh, BT, bofh
other then that BBM could still totally be a final scum (assuming polly/shadoweh even -are- the first two), but I'll have to trust everyone to get that right later since I'll be gone for once.Why am I even saying this when I don't remember much about BBM's play this game and haven't reread it? I might have a townread on him for goodness sake.
I am going to regret this but Serela since you're confirmed town, do you have any particular reason for thinking I'm not good beyond lynch all lurkers, the strategy that has yielded such results as PX and bofh? There is prooooobably a scum paying attention just saying. You're confirmed town, try having an opinion of your own and making people follow it.I dislike this argument for several reasons.
whatever both the suspicions on me are basically gutreads at this point if Dan isn't going to explain why he can empathize with BT and not with me.This line is one of the things that feels weird. There's just his general attitude of 'whatever you can't prove anything', which seems like an extreme way to respond to points that he claims are just gutreads.
but the short is I am convinced of 3 scum inCan you give any good reasoning for any of these suspicions? Why Prims/Shadoweh has to contain exactly 1 scum, why Polaris looks fine, and in particular why do you target BBM ahead of SB who also falls into 'likely scum' as per your reasoning?
Polaris/SB/BBM/Prims/Shadoweh.
assume no more than 1 scum in Prims/Shadoweh.
2 in Polaris/SB/BBM and Polaris doesn't seem like scum to be anymore.
And SB I am unsure of but he needs to be reread reanalyzed etc.
SB's push on Shadoweh isn't strong enough to not be distancing. In fact all of his pushes are unmemorable votes on hipster targets that he doesn't actually do much about and you could make a case for him being scum on that alone.
I forgot that Shadoweh was playing this game.
Re-read Shadoweh and would definitely support that lynch. Don't like how her D2 suspicions are written like questions (and arbitrary, how is what Rou did scummy and not angry town? I half-expect town!Shadoweh would've instantly concluded it was the latter tbh). Don't like the passive-aggressive threat to Serela which isn't supplemented by an actual read on him.
How does VCA make me look worse though? You just say that I do without explaining how.Since you asked this specifically btw: Your votes are lazy and have the smell of scum slowness and apathy in changing them. Just look at where your votes ended up, today is the only day your opinion is going to be relevant to the game.
First quote is in line with Shadoweh normally being able to read Serela in some way. Second quote seemed weird to me the first time because of what I just said, then I remembered the first quote and um Shadoweh did you try to handwave Serela here so hard you forgot you'd read him already?That first post is clearly me going back and forth on my opinion on Serela in the first place. It supports the idea that I wasn't sure what I thought of him, which I outright said in my second post. Unless you'd like to argue that 'i feel a little better' is my way of expressing townreads? You should be able to read me a little better then that.
Of note is her ability to 'not get' wagons (NNR & Rai on D1, Polly on D2) which is a lovely way to actually say nothing about said wagons. I'm also wondering what would have happened if PX hadn't been there on D2 because that's the least enthusiastic "questioning" I've ever seen. I still subscribe to the theory that she was just trying to hide a really weak vote-turned-park by making it part of a bigger thing which she had no real intention of doing. (probing the Rai wagon or whatever else sounds townie) Today we get an overblown "I'm sorry for doubting you Rou" which is great since she didn't go anywhere with THAT suspicion either. In fact she opens the day saying Rou, me and Prims didn't get killed and this happened BEFORE that so hi there slip how do you do?You are literally a robot with no sense of humor if you can't tell I was declaring my devotion to Juri-sama-sensei-sempai. The only part I will give you as truth is the PX thing. I had no idea what I was doing yesterday. Sad state, move on. Also your slip? Read what you typed. I expressed doubts the three of you were town, then Rou claimed cop in a way that matched his weird question about the announcement and I expressed that I was sorry for doubting him. You'll have to explain for me why this was a scumslip because it's just going over my silly little sidekick head!
I've tried reading all three of BBM, SB and Prims and didn't get that much out of it. There has to be at least one scum in here (or it's Dan which would be equally weird) so... sigh. I'll try again later. Cut by votals thanks Serela I wanted to do that.I hate reading my buddies too. Glad you don't want to give an opinion on your partners, IE ALL YOUR SUSPECTS WHO YOU DECIDED TO VOTE WITH, it's really telling.
Shadoweh's reason for arguing she's town to Prims isn't actually a defence of anything she's done so much as arguing that Prims's scumpicks don't make sense with each other. The logic is wrong anyways since all I remember SB doing is attacking Rou. If he said anything about Shadoweh, he didn't push it very much. Also she still has no suspicions on the day; despite being one of the more active posters so far today, her content consists entirely of just pointing out that people like Raikaria and Serela got targeted, in her first post.I'm pretty sure other people and even yourself pointed out you were wrong about the SB thing, not that it made you want to put the effort into unvoting or doing anything but shrugging. I'll add that this is a list of what I've done, not the why it are scummy. I guess my actions are suposed to stand for themselves? Defense is boring. I'm right about the not making sense, but you managed to screw up people's thinking just by suggesting things happened that way. So you have your suspicions, I hope they were everything you wanted. ☆〜（ゝ。∂）
bofh being Godfather is actually plausible depending on how subtle Kilga isWe had a third party Tailor flip (or framer or whatever the standard name for "makes people scum on cop reads" role is) and the cop receives results a day late (so n1 investigates don't return until d3), do you REALLY think scum has a GODFATHER further nerfing the cop, in addition to a hooker AND a poisoner? With the powers town has claimed?
wat I'm the one who did the first vca does that not count for anything ;_; I said Polly and Shadoweh are scum. Shadoweh actually started doing things since the last time I said that though, which is kind of annoying, I want my scumreads to keep being blatantly scummy- that makes it easier to happily lynch them >_> I might need to re-evaluate things. Since clearly we don't seem to be heading towards a polly lynch today.Serela I'm not saying you're bad at mafia but YOU SHOULDN'T LYNCH PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE IT'S EASY.
Right now I just want to lynch Shadoweh because she's scummy and her method of defending herself is to try and intimidate me and make me look bad while not actually pushing me as scum and it's slimy af.
Shadoweh is still scummy though, she's said a lot but the actual content is vacant and it's mostly AtE and her claiming to be right because she's right.Shadoweh is a mean girl and she's hurting my feelings ;-; she must be scum let's keep getting her guys!
the scumteam is prims/btWait huh?
Well yeah. Out of the people on your wagon I'm the only one you're not pushing and you're going out of your way to be an ass and belittle me. Which alignment antagonizes townies????Oh come on, Prims. This is just a lazy snipe. What's it implying, that scum!Shadoweh is trying to piss off the people she's not pushing as scum? Why, so she can get lynched faster? Also this game has already shown that townies can be antagonistic too.
Somebody already said that and I already responded to it, but Shadoweh claimed before the cop claim. I didn't. I'm also not getting blocked tonight with an outed Cop and Doc.Why does that matter? Also, Shadoweh was always going to be a major target for today, whereas the need for you to claim was nigh non-existent since you weren't being suspected. As for the outed doc and cop: The Doc is dead. The Cop is a delayed cop who gets results late. Therefore, you know the mafia have a roleblocker, and they have a free night tonight to block whoever they want since they can let the cop get his result and kill him tomorrow when the doc is gone. So you decide to out your pr and make it an easy choice for them? Not to mention it's a pointless softclaim in the first place.
whatever both the suspicions on me are basically gutreads at this point if Dan isn't going to explain why he can empathize with BT and not with me.
A cop result is a cop result. Arguing that scum can afford to leave him alive to block me, let alone that I'd assume they could, isn't realistic.Hey, you were the one worried about roleblockers. And why couldn't scum afford to leave him alive given that he wouldn't have an immediate result and Serela!Doc is dying soon making his death imminent?
Real case for once you actually read the game like you said you did:Unfortunately, doing nothing is alignment-irrelevant as PX and bofh have shown. Shadoweh isn't the best casemaker, but this is a far cry from her play in Bard's kingmaker game where she literally sat on Polaris and called him scum and did nothing else until Edible blasted her in the face. Her recent posts do a decent job of responding to the votes on her; why are you just brushing her off as antagonistic? I'd be antagonistic too if I thought all the scum were voting me.Shadoweh has done nothing until people started attacking her and even then her play today is mostly antagonistic toward the people voting her and she'd rather post guesswork than actually reading the thread and making cases, as if she's just scum faking it so people think she still cares. D1 has her awkward buddying with Raikaria, and D2 all she did was keep a PX vote down with minimal effort into reading him or anybody else, this is comparable to her lazy scumplay in Bard's kingmaker game.
Gut reaction to Shadoweh's post about me not being a power role. tbh I didn't have a good reason and just #YOLO'd it :/I'd find this more comforting if your wackiest claims didn't come from you while you were scum. >_>
@Shadoweh- Correct me if I'm wrong, but your vote on me is literally "people voting me for me are scum due to VCA. Let's pick BBM". This might not be a completely faithful characterization because I was skimming but if there's anything else, summarize why I'm scum.Sure, let's go with that. I clearly only based my results on the last Day 3 votecount because that is the only thing in that post where I vote you. You're an opportunist and the game just makes more sense if you're scum. There is literally no one except Prims who has a townread of you, yet you've managed to stay alive over a bunch of lurkers because we decided this was the game we'd make LAL our battlecry. (Naturally, because it is the freak game where the lurkiest people were somehow the townies.)
orrrrr she could be bullying people voting her into moving their vote which has been the agenda behind all her responses to me. It's also not a snipe when I'm SPECIFICALLY RESPONDING TO A POST ADDRESSED TO ME. Geez.Yes. How is it scummy that I'm trying to talk you, the person I've said is my pick for not-scum on the wagon, into not voting me? I looked in my drawer this morning and there was a note, it said "DEAR SHADOWEH HERE ARE SOME COOL SHADES, NOW REMEMBER YOU CAN ACTUALLY PLAY MAFIA BUT YOU HAVE TO BE A HUGE JERK"
My claim this game isn't wacky lmao. No potential gambit tied to it at all.There better not be. :colbert:
Conq, why is it townie for Shadoweh to respond antagonistically to people voting for her but scummy for me to be irritable about votes I can't defend against?It's true that I've never seen you actually mad before, the most you seem to get is frustrated. So I'll repeat back to you the same answer you gave me once. You can tell when someone's mad at being voted by scum vs mad because they can't defend against ~*gut*~.
My point being: why is Shadoweh scum coasting until the water got hot instead of town doing the same?I don't know how you expect me to answer this. Why is anybody who does a scummy thing scum and not town doing the same? The best I can really give you is that I expect a higher level of participation from town!Shadoweh.
only serela can be this scummy even after being confirmed towngood quote, would sig if I knew how to
polaris' role, if scum, could also not even be real >_> "Here I'll tell you what your action's name is to confirm my role!" because clearly a normal Roleclop is not also entirely capable of this, right? RB'er n1 when the alt wincon townie RBer flipped already, announcer n2 where it'll be painfully obvious whether it's actually been used or not, etc.I admit that this is possible. I don't think it's quite as easy because if there had been an announcement today he would have been held to telling us the exact name of the action. It's not like he knew Dan would do nothing rather then get caught not being a cop.
The long and short of it is just that Polaris' role is null. It doesn't make him scum but it certainly isn't a reason to think he's town. Remember SkyPal's claim last game?
Is the word filter on rolecop ever going to be removed I swear it's been like a year or moreI hope not ever.
good quote, would sig if I knew how toGo to top of webpage, go to Profile, on the side go to Forum Profile, you'll find it there. I still want him to quote the 'oh man now i have to think' from Mirai Nikki..
Why is anybody who does a scummy thing scum and not town doing the same?This is why mafia is hard. Yes, Shadoweh could be scum. Yes, she could also be town. Which is it? I get the impression that as town you'd put more effort into figuring this out, but what I've seen from you is "Shadoweh is lazy, could be scum" and then everything after that is an affirmation that what she's posting wouldn't be out of her league as scum. Yeah, okay, you're lazy and laziness doesn't mean scum. But the way you keep coming up with reasons to sit on Shadoweh is pretty sus, because a lot of your posting isn't looking at Shadoweh's posts and thinking about why she's town or scum, but taking her posts and saying "this makes sense from Shadoweh scum like this". tldr; I get the impression you've made up your mind about Shadoweh scum and are fitting everything else around that.
Polaris if you can show up to make quips you can post more about other stuff. Who is scum besides BBM?
I have explained scum intent. PX lurked and I thought his methods of scumhunting were suspicious, as was some of the stuff he said, but I don't think that "arbitrary reads" was a valid complaint about him. He gave reasons for his Raikaria scumread in several posts (which was more or less his only explicitly stated read). Dan hasn't given reasons for any read other than his Rou suspicion early on which he never pushed very hard, NNR, which was just sheeping anyways, Bofh, and BT kind of. He hasn't given reasons for Polaris or Shadoweh, and the scum intent in giving arbitrary reads with nothing behind them is the context. The arbitrary townread on Polaris is being used to justify PoE so that he can just sit on the vote and give no other reasons for it. Once I flip town, because the read on Polaris is so arbitrary, it would be extremely easy for him to then switch his opinion on Polaris, because he has no prior reasoning to overcome, and just use "PoE" as a justification again.PX's random things out of context (I don't know who arbitrary reads refers to) was just something I quoted that you brought up against PX. I'm still not sure what this intent you were talking about was (lurking town with questionable methods of scumhunting have been the bane of town in mafia games since forever) but in any case he was only one of the people you cased against. When I say "intent," I'm not saying I expected you to say explain every detail of why something someone did furthered their scum wincon, that would just be busywork and I'm sure you could make up something like that about almost anyone. Also, it'd just be after-the-fact justification anyway. It's about separating the alignment neutral stuff (bad play, lurking because no time) from the alignment-connected stuff (deliberately bad play, tactical lurking). It's the difference between going "oh this person's play is pretty funky and i want to remove them from the game so bad but they're probably town because such and such" and "wow this person's play is funky thus they are scum." I see a lot of the latter in this game.
Lazy cases isn't just playstyle. Laziness is scummy. Dan is one of the most active posters in the game. He's here all the time and still his posts have low content in them. That's like the definition of active lurking.
i totally couldn't post more about other stuff because i was busy doing ~*~*~homework~*~*~ but i'm thinking huh what isn't scum, so sb/bt? wow if that's really the scumteam then it'll be like some sort of initialism trifectaeven though i dont really think you're scum you're still not super town in my books so you're going to have to do better than that. why isn't huhwhat scum, and in that case why does poe lead to sb/bt? What do you think about people like Shadoweh now?
also, shadoweh, your opinion on who is scum besides bbm because there are not 4 scum in this game :VConq I clearly outlined my scumteam as SB/BT/BBM with a possibility of huh what or Polaris afterwards. :< You didn't know that we were basically thinking the same thoughts and I was writing fanfictions about riding off with you into the sunset?
a penny for your thoughts
Someone (Prims?) asked why Sky is worse than NNR. Because NNR has made one scummy post and then flaked, while Sky has been consistently here voting Rou for just pushing someone hard. Pushing someone hard is more townie than scummy half the time because scum don't want to tie themselves to a mislynch in that manner. Rou has made like a whole bunch of posts since then, but still, all Sky is doing is saying "you're scummy for an over-zealous push against Dan", with a hint of "you're misrepping me" thrown in. If Sky really thought Rou was teh superscumz, he would be going through all of Rou's posts and saying why those posts are scummy. Instead he's just sticking to the same barely-out-of-RVS reason for his vote. His defence of "I'm town because I'm defending someone" is shit because even if scum don't want to be super-buddies with each other, scum defend town all the time because:
a) That person feels better about you for the most part.
b) You avoid tying yourself to their mislynch.
c) Defending someone whom you know is town is much easier than digging up reasons for why they're scum.
I think his "I AM WILLING TO DIE FOR TOWN'S MISSION" is WIFOM because he should know that flipping town doesn't automatically make him correct about anything.
Bofh may be scummy, but he is also a lurker. We're not lynching him or NNR off just one post.
@Rou- You've never played with me, so what classifies as "off"? Unless you meant "off" as just generally suspicious rather than "off from regular play".I mean that, for lack of a better phrase, your play looks decisively non-townie. You have the attitude of smug scum writing off any attempt people make to accuse you. Stuff like your 'whatever, this is just gut' line feels a little like scum bragging 'HA, you can't pin anything on me!'
How many people are voting me btw? 4?
Also Serela'll be dead before the day ends, won't he?The description in Kilga's post says he dies at the start of Day 4. But he gets to post overnight so that's a good thing?
First off: Dan isn't scum. I don't know why you want him to be scum so badly but he isn't. He didn't announce last night because he wanted to keep whether his 'clear' was a cop ambiguous. He also, when Polaris told us his ability, tried to hint to him that he shouldn't waste his role looking for Dan. As scum he has no reason to do that, it's more beneficial for him to just let Polaris waste his role. Trying to use a 'shitty' role to break the game is exactly the kind of thing Town Dan does. So stop lining him up for tomorrow.
Since you asked this specifically btw: Your votes are lazy and have the smell of scum slowness and apathy in changing them. Just look at where your votes ended up, today is the only day your opinion is going to be relevant to the game.
I actually have no idea who the third scum would be. I have a hard time seeing Shadoweh/BBM as scum/scum wagons today and have yet to read a decent case on why BBM is scummy. I've already said I don't think SB's push wasn't strong enough for him and Shadoweh to be buddies, and also I'm not sure how Rou's response to my read on SB is really incongruent with my thoughts on him? SB made a good point but didn't really do much with it and just left his vote down there.
Well yeah. Out of the people on your wagon I'm the only one you're not pushing and you're going out of your way to be an ass and belittle me. Which alignment antagonizes townies????
I kinda want to see more from SB because I always read him as null and this game is no different. SB, is the main reason you dislike Shadoweh because she hadn't done anything at that point? Also how does your Dan read measure up when you think about the other games you've played with him?
SB's Shadoweh poke in D2 is probably the best example of something that does not seem like a genuine town thought process. (this is something I noticed just recently in my attempt to get across what i mean about huh what's genuine thought process thingie)
huh what's Shadoweh vote could be considered the least bad since it was first, but I don't know if that makes sense to anyone else
haven't read any of the posts since i was last on but i need to ask this question in light of some things:Yes, but I'd would rather you specified what you mean in particular before I clarify my response. Just to be safe.
rou: did you get an extra pm from kilga at the start of night 2?
Question to Conq- I get why you haven't liked BT's D3 actions, but why do those outweigh his D1/D2 actions if you thought he was town then?I'll be going over this a bit later when I have more time, but the tl;dr version is that BT is a skilled enough player that I don't think any of his D1/D2 play would be amiss from him as scum. something something about not looking for townreads while i was driving, ill make this more coherent later
rou: something that gave you an extra power for a phase. why didn't you use it then? :<OK that's good enough that I'm willing to specify.
trust me when I say there's a reason it's not potential MYLO. You'll probably be like "hey we have no reason for trusting you" but if I said why it's not potential MYLO then we'd almost certainly lose tonight following a mislynch unless the mafia is retarded.OK so I have absolutely no idea what this means. Unless you're claiming something like 'if I explain why it's not potential MYLO, then PEOPLE WILL DIE'. Is that what you're claiming?
trust me when I say there's a reason it's not potential MYLO. You'll probably be like "hey we have no reason for trusting you" but if I said why it's not potential MYLO then we'd almost certainly lose tonight following a mislynch unless the mafia is retarded.
omg talking about ongoing games, forcereplaced and banned
I was hit by a car on the way to work \o/ Give me a minute to read what's goin on
sigh:/ You're basically claiming a weak vig. If you didn't die from shooting you would be another weakened cop. Why didn't you shoot Night 1 if this is the case?
If I shoot town they don't die, but something else will happen to me that will allow the mafia to win anyways in LYLO if they know what it is.
And yes I know that this goes against the "see if someone extra flips tomorrow" because then nobody would flip if I shot town. But it was the only thing I could think of that would stop my lynch, and I don't want to get lynched before at least using my role. Basically I was just really hoping I'd shoot scum because then it wouldn't come up, and thought I had a fairly good chance at it, since if there's a mislynch, there'll only be like 4 people whom I don't have a townread on, so it'd be a 75% shot. And if there was a correct lynch, then that would most likely contribute some extra associative townreads and give me a similar chance at hitting scum.
and the conditions for shooting?
only serela can be this scummy even after being confirmed townDebating how much I -really- do or do not want Shadoweh lynched. It'd be cool if we lynched Polaris but I'm not seriously believing that's going to happen, and no, I'm not so much of a jerk that I'll try to force people to lynch Polly for me. If I demand too much I'm afraid you'll just hammer BBM without me anyway >_>
Hi isn't this a complete contradiction, my vote was actually the first Shadoweh vote. Also, what happened to the start of the day where you were townreading me? I don't think you ever did anything that says why I'm suddenly scum apart from in the post I quoted, and randomly included in some scumteams that he came out with for no real reason. Not really happy with this, I need to reread Poly at some point, possibly in general.
Serela are you fucking kidding me.
BBM's claim is a scum claim. No, Kilga isn't putting in a buffed 1-shot cop when we already have the slowcop, and even if he did there's no valid reason for BBM to hold his shot back this many phases. It screams "I'm scum, please leave me alive one more night so I can use my role". Serious, you've done this exact same thing as scum not once but twice.
I think we need to see more claims^
Also, Serela are you okay?I bought two thin-crust chicken recipe pizzas and then after I got home realized in small words beneath it says they have bacon, and then after I took it out of the oven I realized it's FAKE PIZZA with NO SAUCE. I had to dip it in honey mustard dressing to obtain the necessary tang needed to make it not bland and meh.
in small words beneath it says they have baconin hindsight I realized I should clarify that I don't like eating pork in general and normally would completely avoid it, and on the rare occasions I have to eat it or get rid of otherwise good food I've learned I dislike the way it tastes
Serela who do you think are the scum now? I'm not sure if you've posted a coherent thought this entire phaseI've been progressively thinking more that I should reread BT, and I've become much more open to the thought that Shadoweh might actually be town, recently (although I still wouldn't exactly mind a shadoweh lynch today, buuut...). SB is null so he's definitely a possibility and you guys can deal with BBM shenanigans tomorrow. I'd still lynch Polly. Everyone else is Totes Town.
Serela are you fucking kidding me.I admit the fact that it's Serela's plan makes me hesitant to go through with it. Sorry Serela ilu!
BBM's claim is a scum claim. No, Kilga isn't putting in a buffed 1-shot cop when we already have the slowcop, and even if he did there's no valid reason for BBM to hold his shot back this many phases. It screams "I'm scum, please leave me alive one more night so I can use my role". Serious, you've done this exact same thing as scum not once but twice.
Gonna guess that Prims is SCUM Roleclop but wanted to make the claim more wacky to be in line with the roles that town seems to have.emot-ironicat.gif
Conq, if you have a targeting role, target me tonight.Explain this in light of your claim, Prims.
A bunch of people are like "hey if we don't lynch BBM we should do X" but are not actually saying whether or not they want to lynch me today. Such as Shadoweh.You could say I've been burned by fake vigs before. I'm also ongoing games a bunch of ongoing games elsewhere and roles kind of make me want to punch people now. I'm thinking about which of the other ones would make the best second lynch choice. Maybe if BT was posting I'd have a better idea of that. I think he's asleep though.
Prims didn't respond fast enough, so I scrolled up and saw that he gets only rolename. That seems kind of shitty considering rolenames don't really seem to say much about role. Mine is Hotshot and Conq's is apparently Caffienator?
It proves my role 8)You genuinely thought it was a good idea for me to waste my role on you to prove your role?
You genuinely thought it was a good idea for me to waste my role on you to prove your role?when you word it like that it doesn't sound well-thought-out but based on the pre-existing claims + your weird role name I assumed your role was similarly weak and that it wouldn't be a big deal
BBM, do you have a history of trying to play the hero? Asking people to wait for an extra shot when there's no guarantee there would be an extra shot, waiting to use what is basically a modified one-shot cop until later in endgame where it's likely that 1) the drawback will come into effect or 2) you'll be too dead to use the power...BBM needs to respond to this though; maybe he missed it?
On a serious note, the drawback takes effect no matter when I used my role and lasts for the rest of the game, so the chances of the drawback occurring only decrease the longer I wait for the shot. FMPOV I know I'm town and hopefully if I shoot scum that'll prove it to you guys. So that's why I'm asking people to give me a phase.My point was that if you prove your role or use it early, it's less likely that the drawback would have become relevant. If you wait until endgame to use it, then you're basically gambling whereas if you use it early there's enough buffer for TOWN WIN or NIGHTKILL or other role shenanigans to negate the drawback.
for all you knew i coulda been a motivator or somethingthis was actually my second guess (My first guess was insomniacmaker who idled N1 and N2 because bofh flaked and I was half right 8) ) but there wasn't really anything good a motivator could do at this point
Also targeting town with my role doesn't prove it either, because Cop is easily faked by mafia.ftr, this is one of my main issues with testing your claim.
shadoweh I have discovered that I'm super decisive when I'm reading along but when I'm actually playing I devolve into a pile of Serelas held together only by inertiaNow imagining a pile of Serelas on scooters rolling down the street. I suggest instead of reacting on the spot that you just go back and reread to remember why you had those strong opinions. I know I'm the last person who can judge this but huh what has seemed pretty town to me in general. Usually if he's scum I'll be really conflicted about him and eventually he'll yell at me for not finding him town until I give in. I think he's being more depressed in a fuck everything kind of way.
I learn somebody's role name and become immune to their role, I targeted bofh N1 and was blocked targeting SB N2.FUCKKKKKKBALLLLLLLS
Conq can make people insomniacs (possibly among other things?) and bofh targeted Rou N1, but Rou didn't use it.
BBM is a 1-shot nightvig who only kills if he hits scum and gains a huge penalty either way.
Shadoweh is vanilla lmaooooo
Ya, in the end I would say BBM is scum because that particular drawback wouldn't have become a problem had he used it night one and then proceeded to NEVER MENTION THE DRAWBACK. "this guy is rolecomfirmed town" - the end.
However, I wonder if it's feasible to let him live on the offchance he's town (with the stipulation that he has to die the next day no matter what if no scum dies) - the problem is how much damage a scum!BBM could do over the night.
There's something like 6-7 hours left IIRC and still no further claims.
Which is why I decided to save it for when the chances of hitting scum were the highest.If you have a role that makes you hated, either you use it early or you don't use it at all.
*mistarget, not misvig, but you get my drift. The gamestate difference between being killing one scum overnight and becoming double hated overnight is enormous. The game would practically hinge on whether or not he targeted the right person.
BT, what's wrong with just posting what you have instead of posting a huge wall that no one will read fully because it'll take several seconds to scroll down?lol you asked for it
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO WAITMaybe if the mod were someone else but I think Kilga would try to avoid that after what happened with the Town Suicide Bomb in C7D.
BT are you saying that Shadoweh and Polly are both still scum in your opinion?Currently yes though I might be forced to consider connections.
BT are you suggesting that it is scummy of me to push BBM, if regardless of BBM's alignment, while "ignoring" shadoweh?No I wasn't suggesting it was scummy, I was just bringing up some scenarios. The rereads aren't there yet. Blame Conq.
But until that point I'll vote for my strongest scumread.A scumread which is based solely off his roleclaim, as far as I can see? Seems a bit contrived when you haven't shown any suspicion of him before.
basically
also as for "too many kills" I've been in a 14p game with a SK, a town non-consecutive night vig, and a mafia dayvig so yeah. Admittedly that was role madness and whatnot, but still, I don't think that one mafia kill and one town kill is too much.
Should I attempt to verify Polly/Dan's role names tonight or target SB/BT/Shadoweh and hope I don't hit a scum goon?
also rolespec comprises the entirety of Prims's vote, because he was townreading me before I made the claim, so if you're going to say ROLESPEC IS BAD YOU CAN'T HAVE STRONG SCUMREADS OFF IT, apply that reasoning evenly, thanks.I already think you and Prims are cross-bussing fwiw and this is just a massive lunge for cred.
Wait a sec, how did you know my role? I thought your investigation failed.really interested in seeing an explanation for this though
OK now that BBM's come out with it I am even MORE confused. So if missing with your vig earns you a double hated modifier WHY IN THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING would you wait until near LYLO to use it? That sounds needlessly risky and basically means the entire game would hinge on whether you managed to hit.He's already explained this, it's because in his eyes he has 75% chance to hit scum. It makes sense that he WOULDN'T want to use it earlier in the game where it's far more likely he'd miss.
He's already explained this, it's because in his eyes he has 75% chance to hit scum.to hit scum now*
The sudden Prims worry is retarded because the quote from Prims explicitly shows he doesn't know what SB's role is. I'm suddenly so much more okay with lynching BBM because he couldn't even see that. THEN AGAIN APPARENTLY NEITHER CAN ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE BROUGHT IT UP AND CONQ AGREED AND BT DIDN'T GIVE MY RESPONSE?
I'm sure there's a Bardiche going "serela why do you keep answering for people?!" but Prims would also be retarded if he didn't respond with something along the lines of "What? What are you talking about? How the fuck does that imply I know SB's role? That's a list of who I could Roleclop tonight for fucks sake" this isn't a scumslip this is everyone else failing at basic reading comprehension.
The sudden Prims worry is retarded because the quote from Prims explicitly shows he doesn't know what SB's role is.
or target SB/BT/Shadoweh and hope I don't hit a scum goon?
In fact the whole thing reads like mudslinging and trying to deny people who should be clear from actually getting clearedThis makes absolutely no sense either. I mean the bofh thing is true, but here it's just, what in the world are you even going on about, this is ridiculous.
BT DIDN'T GIVE MY RESPONSE????
I'm sure there's a Bardiche going "serela why do you keep answering for people?!"*raises hand*
That being said, the balance itself of this role is indeed questionable, as has been pointed out (either you kill scum or cop a town... whilst being double-hated even in lylo which is obscenely horrible) I don't think it's completely unrealistic it's a real role but it IS pretty questionable. That being said I'd still like to lynch someone else JUST IN CASE and then you could TURBOLYNCH BBM TOMORROW, but that's looking less and less likely?ehh the way I saw it, if it was single hated he could have claimed it and it would have been worth it overall to secure two clears, and double hated is a "don't claim ever" sort of thing
Someone was talking about hammering but whatever.
Dan I think you never responded to my post.
you can sort out this bt/dan thing first though sure I won't hammer before that and you know that I'm town so you can trust meactually I guess you don't want scum!bbm hammering first so maybe you SHOULD wait until after you finish it
which post. IIRC there was nothing to respond toThe one ten pages ago. (wtf 10 pages) (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15970.msg1052586.html#msg1052586)
The Prims vote from BBM reeks of desperation and trying to find anyone other than him to get lynched. Also possibly some distancing, because I can really see a BBM/Prims/Dan team happening based on what I've seen.NO. HOW. STOP IT. LEAVE DAN-CHAN ALONE.
I mean don't get me wrong, after thinking about this rationally for a bit BBM's role would be a ONLY ON CONFIRMED SCUM vig shot which isn't impossible but it still sounds really ridiculous to put a role like this where it could ruin the game based on a player's whims. nth rule of setup crafting is don't assume the player will act the way you expect. It would be a very very bad hosting decision to overlook that.Well we've already had to deal with CAPTAIN PLANET going horribly wrong, so.
tbh I don't get why a BBM lynch is dying out, if he's town and misfires tonight doesn't that make it gg? I think lynching him today is safer in that case.For Serela to be town and then for BBM to also misfire would take a mistake of horrendous proportions. He'd be left with 8 other players, three of whom are confirmed and three of whom are confirmed town already. Basically his options would be:
really interested in seeing an explanation for this thoughI assumed BT and SB were Vanilla because everybody else already had a role.
You are Shiori Takatsuki, the sword-polishing, backstabbing sadist. After Ruka exposed you for the fraud you were, you had a change of heart (somewhat), but no one yet trusts you to not be up to any funny business, so you can't get away with being anything more than a Vanilla Townie. Sux. :<
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Good luck!
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Actually, that's just what you want everyone to think.
You are actually a Scum Spy, and your role is fairly complicated.
- The Ones Who Will Bring Revolution To The World: Your partner(s) in crime is/are (REDACTED). You may communicate at any time in (REDACTED). Once per night, in lieu of taking another night action, you may ##Kill a target, killing them (duh). Only one scum team member may take this action per night. In addition, you may ##Charge your/a partner at night, at which point they will be considered Charged. This counts as a night action. Charging happens immediately; night actions that require being Charged may be taken on the same night the action-taker gets Charged. You may not charge yourself.
- Staying Up All Night Sword-Polishing: You know how to get information out of people as you need to. Once per night, and twice per game, you may ##Roleclop a target. The details of their role will then be revealed to you.
- Locket Away: You know how to play people's emotions and make them indecisive. Once per night, and twice per game, you may ##Roleblock a target. Your target will not be able to take an active actions that night. If your target has a role that would be affected, they will be informed if they were roleblocked.
- Don't Look at Me...: You know how to lie something fierce. Once per game, you may ##Lawyer a target at night. Your target will be treated as Town as applicable to other roles (i.e. the target would return "Town" if investigated by a Cop, Weak roles that target your target will not die, etc.).
- ...Look at Them!: Did I mention you're a great and willing liar? Once per game, you may ##Frame a target at night. Your target will be treated as Scum as applicable to other roles (i.e. the target would return "Scum" if investigated by a Cop, Weak roles that target your target will die, etc.).
You win when the scum team controls a majority of the game population or nothing can prevent same. Good luck!
Anyway, stuff like people analyzing D3 with the knowledge BBM is scum- don't write off Polly also being scum and try to weigh stuff with the possibility of Polly being the scum counterwagon when I was trying really hard to push it at the end of the day. BT is probably still town. No, I'm not sure who to lynch other then Polly, and SB is still only null read PoE-Tier lynch to me :/ Dan or Shadoweh would be it I guess.I AM GOING TO STRANGLE YOU WITH MY BARE HANDS. YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT DYING BECAUSE I WILL KILL YOU TONIGHT AAAAA
Or Prims will show up as scum to Rou and make everything easier, but
Your Polly clears are stupid, something like a normal Roleclop would be easily able to identify actions with the conditions when Polly suggested we confirm his role that way- and the town-sided roleblocker had already flipped plus the scum had a part-time roleblocker, so it'd be really easy to assume there wasn't any more. SURE, THE TOWN ONE WAS THIRD PARTY, BUT HE WON WITH TOWN, so from an assumption that his alt condition was supposed to be difficult he was effectively a town hooker who spreads their miller-aids to people with bad immunity systems.Yes, but Prims claimed roleblocked. Meaning the only way Polaris can be scum in that circumstance, because they'd need to use the rolecop as an alibi, is if he's scum with Prims.
What? No, that doesn't make any sense Shadoweh. N2 Polly already had his alibi- the announcer, which super obviously was going to be used or not. There was the townsided virtue of seeing if it really was a public cop going around I guess, but... we probably all could've guessed checking for announcer was actually probably completely pointless :T How many shots is a public cop really gonna have?Except that he didn't know what the action was called, so unless they actually rolecopped Dan, which they didn't if Prims was roleblocked, he would have had to guess the next day. He outright told us he was checking for an announcer.
And the n1 check for a roleblocker was similarly super excusable when the "town" roleblocker already flipped, so scum can pretty safely guess there's not another roleblocker apart from their own, without the action looking stupid for Polly to claim.Okay, I will admit I didn't read Dormio's role very closely, so I'll give you that they could have known roleblocker wasn't going to happen.
You are Juri Arisugawa, the prim-and-proper fencing club captain. You let nothing past your defenses...or, at least, you try your very hardest to do so. But fate has an infuriating way of intervening...
You are a Slow Cop, aligned with the town.
- Non-Miracle Worker: Your connections as a student council member allow you to check into suspicious individuals. Once per night, you may ##Investigate a target. You will be told the alignment of your target. However, due to the irritating nature of red tape, the results of your investigation will be delayed a night (i.e. a Night 1 investigation will have results in Day 3). Your investigations are guaranteed to be Sane, at least.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated. Good luck!
Prims is gay.
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