Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: Bardiche on February 17, 2013, 02:25:37 PM
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This is the game thread for DOTA Kingmaker Mafia. All basic rules of Mafia apply:
DO NOT:
- Edit posts.
- Spam.
- Be an arsehole.
- Make ad hominem attacks.
- Post at night.
- Discuss the game outside of this thread.
- Quote mod communications.
- Claim Kingmaker (regardless of if you are the Kingmaker or not, this will cause a modkill and the game day to end).
- Talk after hammer.
DO:
- Play to win.
- Be a good sport.
- Report AFKers.
- End a day within 48 hours. Failure to do so results in a lynch on the King.
As a special rule:
- Once per Day Phase but up to twice per game; ##WrathofGod: [name] a player: If that player is targeted with the same ability by at least 60% of the alive players (rounded down to the nearest integer), that player is modkilled, regardless of everything else. This ability cannot end the game.
Player List:
Wrath of God count: 1 left
6. BT Huh Whatty
7. Polaris
10. Amra
Dead:
1. Pesco
1. ActionDan
3. I Have No Name And Yet I Must Introduce Myself (as Edible)
4. PX
9. Zakeri
2. Pudgio
5. Conqueror
11. Hero999
12. DrRawr
8. Shadoweh
Current Phase: GAME OVER
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All Role PMs have been sent, so please confirm reception. Day 1 lasts 48 hours from the moment I declare it starting. Any of the rules may be adjusted with or without notice.
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/confirm
gg pesco
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(http://d2pepr9bod9pvx.cloudfront.net/article_images/1040/images/one_column/king_me.png)
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Confirm
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Cooonfirmed and who the fuck picked my first skill jesus christ.
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Noobs, Amra. Noobs. Every Hero has a useless level 1 skill.
SPOILER: Dire is Town, Radiant is Scum.
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I dunno man, Invoker has a pretty sexy selection.
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##CONFIRM
WHY OF ALL THINGS!!!!!!!!
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got the PM
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Nevermore is here! (http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/b/b8/Nev_spawn_02.mp3)
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im pretty sure outworld isnt an actual word
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So much meat, so little time (http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/d/d5/Pud_spawn_09.mp3).
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What do you mean it's useless? It sounds pretty cool to me, having no idea what skills do..
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Day walker,
Night Stalker.
Shadoweh I got hunter in the night,
Imma hunt you
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(http://i47.tinypic.com/34pgnyt.jpg)
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And that's everyone!
YOUR KING FOR TODAY IS ACTIONDAN
ActionDan, before 48 hours are up you may ##GANK: [name] to kill anyone alive, excluding yourself. Failure to do so within the time limit is grounds for lynch on yourself.
Godspeed! I guess I'll not be lazy and keep track of 'votes' too, if you guys like.
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;________________; DAN YOU WOULDN'T WOULD YOU
SHOW MERCY OON ME
I'M JUST A POOR INNOCENT SWEET PRECIOUS SWEET SHADOWEH
Okay, since we can't vote, we can either speew vile at each other or throw out psudeovotes. Since Bard offered to keep track of them, I suggest we use them to keep VCA alive.
##Farm: Zakeri He cannot be allowed to live past Day 1!
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Shadowraze Conq
You sound like someone who would kill Pesco
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oh oh i can do this also
Spawn spiderlings zakeri
on a more serious note, is that for reals shadoweh?
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PX what's with the early NK spec? How do you know it was even an NK and not a joke by the mod?
Obviously your are the scums and must die.
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oh oh i can do this also
Spawn spiderlings zakeri
on a more serious note, is that for reals shadoweh?
Is what for reals?
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##Farm: Zakeri He cannot be allowed to live past Day 1!
^this
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PX what's with the early NK spec? How do you know it was even an NK and not a joke by the mod?
Obviously your are the scums and must die.
<☑ Touch Fluffy Tail> Well clearly by the fact that he's not only in the dead list
<☑ Touch Fluffy Tail> And playerlist
<☑ Touch Fluffy Tail> And never confirmed
<☑ Touch Fluffy Tail> And is in the playerlist in the sign ups post
<☑ Touch Fluffy Tail> (team) I think he's dead jim
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<☑ Touch Fluffy Tail> (team) And Bard hates bastard mods
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uh, fuck. what do I do.
dan don't kill me.
I'll carry you to end game.
I swear.
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2. Pudgio
Who is Pudgio ??? ##Vote Pudgio
actually I checked and it's actually Dormio but still
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...
##Feeds:Lvl 1 Vemon Wards to Rubix.
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Nipping this in the bud: Pesco is dead because he stepped out and I had already rolled for his role, then re-rolled everyone. His presence on the dead list is because he dropped out.
>Give list of all roles.
>Give no indication that there is an N0.
>Announced Pesco dead prior to sending out role PMs.
>People STILL think it is game-related.
Also unless it's ##VOTE: I won't count it.
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Nipping this in the bud: Pesco is dead because he stepped out and I had already rolled for his role, then re-rolled everyone. His presence on the dead list is because he dropped out.
>Give list of all roles.
>Give no indication that there is an N0.
>Announced Pesco dead prior to sending out role PMs.
>People STILL think it is game-related.
Also unless it's ##VOTE: I won't count it.
<☑ Touch Fluffy Tail> ##VOTE: BARDICHE
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Mean ol NO FUN mod
##Vote: Zakeri
Rawr: It's as serious as any other vote made so far.
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Mean ol NO FUN mod
##Vote: Zakeri
Rawr: It's as serious as any other vote made so far.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0n9PzpMtsU
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##Vote PX
Giving yourself a post restriction is dumb and anti-town. Or something.
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Thanks dormio, my keyboard needed hot chocolate all over it
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##Vote Shadoweh
I cannot forgive you for wasting all that hot chocolate. >:|
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Shadowraze Conq
You sound like someone who would kill Pesco
##Vote: PX
boom omgus lynch this guy please
PX what's with the early NK spec? How do you know it was even an NK and not a joke by the mod?
Obviously your are the scums and must die.
##unvote
##Vote: ihnn
omg posturing no jokevote no effort to kill the enemy obviously an enemy spy etc lynch him because he is the scums!!!
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Excuse me for being a little bit silly ED1.
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Why so serious? =.=
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lalalalala.
Can't touch dis
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Not shooting:
Shadoweh
Conq.
Everyone else is fair game.
Also not explaining. Just keep on farming guys
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##Vote PX
Giving yourself a post restriction is dumb and anti-town. Or something.
Possible best day of my life.
Not shooting:
Shadoweh
Conq.
Come on man, just two posts above you.
##VOTE: Shadoweh
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##Vote PX
Giving yourself a post restriction is dumb and anti-town. Or something.
Atai wa baka ja nai!
##Vote: Dormio
Berserker's Call: Shadoweh
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Dormio wa not baka desuka?
Dormio no joke took watashi a nagai jikan to wakaru.
Okay fuck this it hurts.
Trap: Dormio in Venom Wards...Lvl 1
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Actually, considering we have 48hr deadlines, waiting for reactions first just might not be a good idea.
My vote was 100% serious -- IHNN's post had the potential to draw votes and Shadoweh's reply looks like she's addressing it but doesn't want to be the first vote. Don't know what to make of IHNN's post myself (it IS IHNN), but if Shadoweh is scum he's probably not a buddy.
By the way, Dan, unless I really do know nothing about kingmaker, you're no confirmed town, so you'll have to do that explaining sometime.
Cut by more useless. No, really, we have 36 hours. That's not a lot. Hero, thoughts?
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Does anyone really need to explain everything?
Can we just let things be?
But seriously, kill Dormio
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or anyone, I'm not picky
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Explaining things are good. It's so much easier to determine alignments if they have a transparent thoughts process.
Now, on that note, why do you feel that it's not necessary to explain everything Zakeri?
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It's almost like I would like for him to reply with a larger post before doing anything because IHNN has a habit of making easily votable posts. But that would be crazy talk. Why did you think his post had the ability to draw votes? Especially since, if you look, NO ONE VOTED HIM.
Killing Dormio should need no explanation, especially when he's not making playing harder on himself.
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especially when he's not making playing harder on himself.
What? No. But... I...
Would it appease those such as yourself that hold the opinion that a precarious lack of eloquent language somehow reflects on my very own alignment if the only being of my stature, myself, were to continue posting in the manner that I am displaying at the current time for the remainder of this game in order to, as you phrased the saying, make the play harder for myself?
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It's almost like I would like for him to reply with a larger post before doing anything because IHNN has a habit of making easily votable posts. But that would be crazy talk. Why did you think his post had the ability to draw votes? Especially since, if you look, NO ONE VOTED HIM.
##unvote
##Vote: ihnn
Shadoweh confirmed for not reading game.
BT, I'm pretty sure Dan -is- confirmed town by way of being the first kingmaker? I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's what Bard said in the general thread.
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Dan's the first King, not the Kingmaker :V the Kingmaker is the one that made Dan the King. Scum can still be made King.
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Ah. Must have mis-read then.
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Sup, friendly mod here to keep track of votes.
Format: NAME OF THE VOTED (NUMBER OF VOTES): VOTERS
PX (2): PX, Dormio
Zakeri (1): Shadoweh
Shadoweh (2): Amra, BT
IHNN (1): Conqueror
Dormio (2): Zakeri, Polaris
Fun (10): Bardiche, Bardiche, Bardiche, Bardiche, Bardiche, Bardiche, Bardiche, Bardiche, Bardiche, Bardiche
Berserker's Call count:
Shadoweh (1): Zakeri
Trap count:
Dormio (1): Hero999
Farm count:
Zakeri (1): Shadoweh
Shadowraze count:
Conqueror (1): PX
Spawn spiderlings count:
Zakeri (1): Dr Rawr
Feeder count:
Hero999 (1): Rubick, like a spellstealing motherfucking badass.
About 9 hours or so have passed, give or take a bit, so you guys have about ~39 hours left to come to a decision. What, daytime's short? YES, IT IS!
Mod clarification: Scum can never be Kingmaker. However, claiming Kingmaker results in a modkill and bad things for Town. Even if you aren't Kingmaker. Don't do it. First King is chosen by the Kingmaker, not the mod.
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Why is PX voting himself. Bardiche are you a vote reflector :V
##Unvote
##Vote: PX
:toot: :toot: :toot:
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Okay, that's sorted out. (the kingmaker thing)
Shadoweh it's the kind of posts that are just like
>omg this post is serious
>why is it serious?
>is this RVS?
>scum???
Followed by an ED1 bandwagon.
What were you going to accomplish with that :nothing: post?
Also IHNN I was obviously excluding Conq's RVS vote from the count. What do you think of Shadoweh. And, uh, did you think anything of Conq or was your reply non-serious?
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Replace "non-serious" with... lacking an opinion? I don't know. Did you feel like Conq's post was serious that you had to reply with that?
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Let me put it another way. No one voted IHNN with the serious intention to lynch him, unless you're saying Conq's reasoning right there was serious. Unless I'm missing my mark that is more like Tenshi Fooling Around.
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##Unvote
##Vote IHNN
i think we should lynch ihnn
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Let me put it another way. No one voted IHNN with the serious intention to lynch him, unless you're saying Conq's reasoning right there was serious. Unless I'm missing my mark that is more like Tenshi Fooling Around.
Yeah, no one did that, but I think it was pretty easy to predict that it would happen from that post alone. I feel like you predicted that and... did nothing about it. Like you were hesitant to do it.
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By the way you don't seem to think anything of my vote? Do you think I'm town, or?
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my initial vote was only half serious because grrr people who dont vote, but now that ihnn is active lurking and not even attempting to you know, do anything, it's more serious
im pretty sure shadoweh would have made a similar reaction to that ihnn post as either alignment
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conq, are you scum? `_`
##Unvote
##Vote Conq
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i mean i kinda get where bt is coming from, but i had a similar reaction as shadoweh, the only difference being that i sorta just facepalmed and went to do something else instead.
i dont think #36 specifically really has much of a bearing on ihhn's alignment anyway
pedit: no polaris go away
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`_` okay.
##Unvote
##Vote Hero999
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wow that was too easy
polaris are you scum `_`
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It's not like I actually think you're scum, but the last time you decided to speak without using capital letters, you were scum :V
Of course I spent the entire last game without using capital letters and I was the townest town ever so it's not like that argument really holds water sooooooooooo
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i mean i kinda get where bt is coming from, but i had a similar reaction as shadoweh, the only difference being that i sorta just facepalmed and went to do something else instead.
i dont think #36 specifically really has much of a bearing on ihhn's alignment anyway
It doesn't have much of a bearing but it's still something people would jump on. I don't know, I remember her not putting her vote down right away during last game as well, but not like this.
I know IHNN didn't say anything about the discussion concerning him (which is weird) but 1) saying he's active lurking when barely anything's happened yet is kind of eh and 2) Shadoweh > IHNN.
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Also Polaris I see votes everywhere but you might want to sort things out. Who is scum and who is scum jr,?
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top 3 d1 lynches:
PX
Hero999
Dr Rawr
in no particular order.
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They haven't even posted enough for you to identify them as Lurkers That Will Slow us Down, not to mention you missed the point of my question which was to sort Conq/IHNN. You voted IHNN, then Conq. What's the thought process?
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I voted IHNN because you guys were talking about nobody voting him, and I thought someone would mention it but nobody cared enough?
I voted Conq because he was there. `_`
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well bt, it's true that most players are active lurking right now, but we have to start somewhere. ihnn stands out because 1) no game-related discussion despite him being a point of discussion except for a minor point about the setup and 2) still no vote in a 48 hour day
it's not like i don't want to see more posts from everyone else!
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ebwop: re votes i mean i know this is a kingmaker setup so votes dont count but still, ihnn just floating around makes me go >:<
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They haven't even posted enough for you to identify them as Lurkers That Will Slow us Down
If they post enough for me to identify them as anything, then they wouldn't be lurkers! Gosh BT. The very fact that they didn't post enough identifies them as lurkers, along with like the majority of the playerlist.
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Polaris: Uhh, fair enough? I don't think this had the potential of going anywhere in the first place so :whatever:.
##VOTE: I Have No Name
Pressure votes are cool, though. (Still want Shadoweh to answer.)
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If they post enough for me to identify them as anything, then they wouldn't be lurkers! Gosh BT. The very fact that they didn't post enough identifies them as lurkers, along with like the majority of the playerlist.
So in essence, the 3 names you put were pure bias
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It sure was!
For the sake of fairness, PX, feel free to nominate someone else to take your spot on my top 3 lynch list
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in other words, tell us (or me) who you think is scum `_` since you are currently voting yourself, after all.
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Otherwise I will be forced to assume that you think there is currently nobody scummier than yourself at the moment??? jeez PX work with me here.
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I'm only voting myself because Bardiche doesn't let me vote him. As for people, I follow BT's logic on IHNN, the post is too easy to vote on, and I can't figure out his alignment, and another that Shadoweh didn't jump on it immediately. As for you, I'm being a little weary of you due to what you're posting. IGMEOY
Also, voting myself doesn't matter in the slightest, number of votes don't hold any power.
Also, Dormio hasn't said anything. At all. Dan should, you know, do something as well. And others haven't really posted. So.
##Vote: Dormio
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Yes I knew why you were voting yourself, I was just prompting you to put your vote on someone else i.e. name a scum `_` Voting yourself did matter in that sense because otherwise nobody knew who you thought was scum. gosh PX
Anyway I shall now consider PX's nomination of Dormio to be on my lynch list :V
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Well it's not so hard to process dormio vs. PX since PX did something now and Dormio hasn't. `_`
new lynch list: dormio, hero, dr rawr
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I was going to reply to BT but apparently he's gone from attacking me for not being soft enough on IHNN to voting IHNN? Also Polaris's post was an obvious joke to annoy me. I have no idea what question you want me to answer anymore.
I'm only voting myself because Bardiche doesn't let me vote him. As for people, I follow BT's logic on IHNN, the post is too easy to vote on, and I can't figure out his alignment, and another that Shadoweh didn't jump on it immediately. As for you, I'm being a little weary of you due to what you're posting. IGMEOY
Also, voting myself doesn't matter in the slightest, number of votes don't hold any power.
Also, Dormio hasn't said anything. At all. Dan should, you know, do something as well. And others haven't really posted. So.
You're right that votes technically don't hold power, but they're still a measure of where you want attention to go. Encouraging people to ignore votes and just do whatever will make the game harder to play. And that's a pretty weak attack on Dan. This is a pretty bad post in general.
Yes I knew why you were voting yourself, I was just prompting you to put your vote on someone else i.e. name a scum `_` Voting yourself did matter in that sense because otherwise nobody knew who you thought was scum. gosh PX
Anyway I shall now consider PX's nomination of Dormio to be on my lynch list :V
>_________>
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Shadoweh insteasd of >_>ing who do you think is scum? Do you want to nominate someone to replace one of the people on the lynch list??
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##unvote
##vote: shadoweh
im sorry bt
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So because I'm AFK for an extended period of time I'm active lurking?
Polaris looks like town to me for driving discussion.
No one jumps out at me as a scum gut read yet except Dormio, but I always read him as scum.
Will re-read everything and post more opinions after I get some homework done (should be another hour or 2)
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There isn't even that much to read :V
Dormio scum gut read is better than nothing `_` feel free to place a vote down for the sake of prosperity
conq do you have any intention to explain your shadoweh vote or should i not bother asking
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ebwop: for the sake of posterity* oh god how did i mess that up in such a lame way
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A lynch list is stupid when there's one unequivoable decision to be made. I'm >_>ing at how a terrible post that doesn't give an opinion on whose scum is somehow reason for you to stop wanting to lynch PX and start lynching Dormio instead. I think that you:
##Vote: Polaris
Are all over the place and should be the One True Choice for today.
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@mod: can I request a replacement? I have a lot of real life stress at the moment and am not in the right mindset to play this game, nor will I have the time soon.
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Is that the best you can do, shadoweh :v
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Gank: Zakeri
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are you fucking kidding me
dan are you scum with shadoweh
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That clearly doesn't say Polaris, Dan -.- I wasn't serious about killing Zak before he could do anything.
Conq: oh noes my sekrets
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I was going to reply to BT but apparently he's gone from attacking me for not being soft enough on IHNN to voting IHNN? Also Polaris's post was an obvious joke to annoy me. I have no idea what question you want me to answer anymore.
1) bt wasn't attacking you for not being soft enough on ihnn, in fact i think he was attacking you for being too soft on everything
2) why does his switch onto ihnn make it so that you can't reply to bt?
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feels.
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should we be posting between the gank and the flip? :ohdear:
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You're right that votes technically don't hold power, but they're still a measure of where you want attention to go. Encouraging people to ignore votes and just do whatever will make the game harder to play. And that's a pretty weak attack on Dan. This is a pretty bad post in general.
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he wasn't encouraging people to ignore votes, it was a side comment which was immediately rectified by a vote on dormio. and how is he making a weak attack on dan? a request for content from dan is fine and perfectly justified.
A lynch list is stupid when there's one unequivoable decision to be made. I'm >_>ing at how a terrible post that doesn't give an opinion on whose scum is somehow reason for you to stop wanting to lynch PX and start lynching Dormio instead. I think that you:
##Vote: Polaris
Are all over the place and should be the One True Choice for today.
px gave an opinion on who was scum, proof that shadoweh isnt reading the game
so let's hear the scum motivation for polaris switching lynch choices from px to dormio
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I actually can't imagine a townie saying
"I'm not picky anyone will do"
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also, dropping whatever i had on ihnn, if he's having out of game issues that would explain why he doesnt care about the game. means he gets a null pass i guess.
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dan is that your actual justification, like for real?
i thought it was an obvious jokepost
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My 2nd choice was gonna be polaris, but the way he's acting now seems like he isn't mafia if Zak is mafia at least
nah it's actual
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It makes what he was driving at in the first place impossible to understand
Why are you attacking IHNN that makes no sense!
Oh someone else explained it to me VOTE HIM@
Well there's no hammer shutup and Bard's ruleset doesn't say. I assume.. he'll probably be mad about it actually.
Yes, he is encouraging people not to take voting seriously by voting himself and saying it doesn't matter. How do you parse that otherwise. His comment on Dan looked like it was a semi-attack, but I suspect he didn't want to do anything harder when Dan had the Kingu.
OH MY GOD STOP CUTTING ME
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Conq you are a jerk, you know very well I'm gamerunning right now why are you spamming me!
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Yes, he is encouraging people not to take voting seriously by voting himself and saying it doesn't matter. How do you parse that otherwise. His comment on Dan looked like it was a semi-attack, but I suspect he didn't want to do anything harder when Dan had the Kingu.
I'm only voting myself because Bardiche doesn't let me vote him.
but it doesnt even matter because in the second post after the votecount he went and made a vote anyway. and lets be real, do you see scum more likely to avoid the voting system or town? scum will go wild with the votes all they want, they have zero accountability because of the king. they don't need to be hipster and go "hey im going to ignore the votes" just to get fake ire from other people.
(partially related, war in heaven iii on ms had a player-imposed voting system heavily promoted by scum; the people going "fuck it im just going to go by the game mechanics" were more likely to be town)
"dan should do something" is just a statement of fact, i would have said the same if dan hadn't posted more. but of course dan decides to pop in and instalynch. dannnnnnn.
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Conq you are a jerk, you know very well I'm gamerunning right now why are you spamming me!
:)
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It was a good shot, and you know it
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also maybe hero should die.
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yes dan but like half the game are "good shots" at the moment
the point is to let the game develop so that useless people can start posting content before decide if we want to kill them, then we can differentiate with tiers etc
im really fake mad right now
dan real talk if you were scum would you have fired off early just to minimize productive discussion?
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I honestly have no idea what I'd do as scum
probs not shoot early though.
I'd let things simmer
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well okay i guess i believe you, maybe
im still :psyduck: at the reasoning for the zak shot but i guess now we wait for the flip or something
i guess dormio would be town if zak is scum. if zak is town then...well i guess we can always have day 2!
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I do not count 'Dormio was like doing nothing and stuff' as a serious vote.
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/me shrugs
this game gonna be cray cray the way things are going, but i guess it's nice to have a less serious game...maybe
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I expected something between normal mafia and Bad Idea when I signed up to be honest. I was half-serious about expecting to be greeted by a Day 1 blast off.
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I would honestly say that if a person is town they don't care whether or not someone gets lynched, so long as someone gets lynched every day, but that's me remembering that the old rules I played were down to the last man. :v
I don't particularly feel like day 1 discussions are that productive so I don't tend to contribute to them; I'd like to watch the kills and see what we can make out of those, but if we're honestly going to do something then I'm not sure who to vote. Beyond Shadoweh for the hot chocolate waste, seriously.
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I have no idea what to make of kingmaker.
Still wondering if Zakeri is going to clarify his stance about not needing to explain things.
Also wondering if Dan is going to explain why he doesn't want to shoot either of Shadoweh or Conq.
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i'd bet money on dormio not having read the thread since his last post
town/scum odds are still 50/50 though
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i'd bet money on dormio not having read the thread since his last post
You would probably win that bet.
What did I miss?
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Unless Gank is supposed to be the actual lynch command.
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Gank: Zakeri
##Gank: Zakeri
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ActionDan, before 48 hours are up you may ##GANK: [name] to kill anyone alive, excluding yourself. Failure to do so within the time limit is grounds for lynch on yourself.
So yes, yes it is.
Amra that is the weirdest post coming from you. When do you feel discussion is productive now?
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Hammer has fallen, shut up.
I shouldn't need to continuously clarify things because people are all "it's not listed anywhere so :V".
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What happened? Axe happened! (http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/6/6d/Axe_rival_22.mp3)
As Nightstalker, king of the Gank, begins pinging Axe, the group readies themselves to attack... but och! The moment the ranged attacks come rolling in, Axe starts spinning like a fucking top, his Helix Strike scaring everyone the fuck off because shit that thing's gonna kill you if you get close. Clearly the only explanation is that Nightstalker is a fucking feeder, and so everyone murders him instead for trying to send them into a failed gank.
Zakeri is Axe, the Hero, and cannot be lynched!
ActionDan, playing Nightstalker, has been lynched!
It is now Night. You have 24 hours to relax and do nothing.
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should never have ganked during the day /noob
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DO NOT:
- Edit posts.
- Spam.
- Be an arsehole.
- Make ad hominem attacks.
- Post at night.
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IT IS NOW DAY 2 AND YOU MAY POST
Dead people do not count as exempt from the rules, so don't post if you're dead. At all. This includes bah posts. There's also no graveyard. If you want to rage about alive players, do it elsewhere.
IN ANY CASE: Your King for today is Conqueror, and he may ##GANK: someone within 48 hours or face death penalty.
Oh, and Zakeri, playing Axe, Town Hero got killed during the night. Who saw that coming?
Oh, and effective immediately Edible replaces IHNN. That means IHNN can't post here any more.
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coolbeans
i will resist the urge to immediately gank shadoweh to ask her to respond to my posts from yesterday. she's free to call me scum to try and make me get a town read on her.
today is a contribution day! let's see those posts rolling in, everybody. :)
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Is that the best you can do, shadoweh :v
i would also like polaris to explain what he meant by this post and request his opinions on shadoweh!
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Ganking Shadoweh because she was one of the only active players D1 is probably not a sound strategy. Give her a day or two before we decide to stab her in the throat, imo.
Let's kill hero instead.
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Or Rawr. Or Amra. Because I seriously can't remember who is in this game.
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Thanks you Mr. Anonymous King who hates me. -.-
Repeating scumtowntells is scummy silly. And I responded to a bunch of your stuff yesterday. I'm more interested in telling you why you should lynch Polaris today. I can't emphasize how much his iso makes me want to punch him every time I read it with how irrelevantly waffly he is, even more then Serela (holy shit Serela isn't in this game)
His 'switch' from voting PX to Dormio, which I say sarcastically because it's not really a vote switch, it's a 'bad day 1 players that we constantly lynch day 1' list, is as irrelevant as the rest of his posts because there's no fucking reasoning behind it. This is his reasoning.
There isn't even that much to read :V
Dormio scum gut read is better than nothing `_` feel free to place a vote down for the sake of prosperity
GUT! And no reason why he's done torturing PX. I imagine that if one of his 'lynch list' turned up town he would just put PX back on there as Best Easy Justifiable Lynch.
If you'd like second and third choices you'll have to wait for me to get home from work tonight and people actually have a chance to make a second post to judge them by
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I'm sick but muscling through this anyway.
Dislike PX agreeing with stuff I said in #79 and saying he's weary of Polaris only to settle for the inactivity vote anyway. Might be because Polaris was the one asking for him to vote so... being careful?
Polaris driving discussion but not taking a noticeable solid stance on anything. This isn't scummy, actually, but IHNN handwaving him as town for 'driving discussion' is. He's out so I can't question him about this more but I'm leaning towards a case of That Was Too Easy.
Shadoweh misrepresenting 101 different things is... I want to say it's a scumtell but I'm not sure. To reply to #102, I was questioning labling IHNN as an active lurker so early but agreed with Conq otherwise. (I don't see how you can even mistake this unless you literally haven't read the thread) I'm actually surprised you're going for this shitty Polaris case. Why is his lynch list such a big deal to you?
Edible's suggestion might be a decent choice depending on how stupidly inactive people are. It's meh otherwise. Who do you think is scum? Same question for PX.
Would like to ask glorious king Conqueror what he'd do with two shots. (this is a good question for kings in general imo)
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Who do you think is scum?
You, for ignoring who I very blatantly said we should shoot for the sake of unnecessary post analysis. :3c
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Serious? Either way I don't see why you shouldn't chime in on things. Do you have anything to say on Shadoweh's active D1?
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Serious? Either way I don't see why you shouldn't chime in on things. Do you have anything to say on Shadoweh's active D1?
Very serious. You're sidelining, posting observations instead of scumhunting.
I literally have two posts in the game and you forgot that I said that we shouldn't kill her just for being active on D1?
<_<
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Yep, you said that but considering there might be more to it than just "being active" I don't see why you won't answer. Do you think she's town as well as active or just active and that's enough? I also don't see how what I'm doing isn't scumhunting when I'm stating what I find off and why.
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I say we kill no one, and everyone shoot else!
...I mean GAME WIPEOUT!!!!
Whos the highlander! YEah!? Un!
Kill Me! Me! Me! Me! So I can DENY MYSELF!!!! Mwuahahahahaa
Kill Dormio do it.
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shadoweh you're being even more dumb, that post you quoted was me responding to IHNN about his scum gut read on dormio
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*mumbles something about iso's*
You realize it's worse that you literally have no reason for who you were suspecting right? What would not be 'dumb' is if you could put a why behind any of the people on your lynch list, a why that doesn't include 'gut' or a statement like 'isn't doing anything' without showing in context what that nothing is.
BT what Edible is saying is you've posted four opinions (five if you count Overlord Conqueror) that don't clearly state your opinion on the people you're talking about. See above for why I don't like Polaris's laze list.
Hero what the actual fuck.
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honestly i prioritized px/hero999/rawr (and later, dormio) because lurkers. if i don't immediately see scumminess emanating from people who posted so far then i'm inclined to believe that the scum might have not shown up yet, so if possible i wanted to make them show up (by giving them an excuse to show up by nominating someone for the lynch list, which would by extension allow them to contribute scumreads). if px contributed something and dormio hadn't yet, then what's wrong with pushing at dormio? especially when i was voting hero the whole time `_`
if anyone were to be ganked out of the blue at that point i would have preferred it was one of dormio/hero999/rawr seeing as px contributed and expressed intent to contribute further. i guess zakeri said nothing too so he falls under the general category, but i always feel sorry for zakeri so he was less of a priority.
conq: shadoweh is being dumb but according to the Theory of Shadoweh that i came up with just now, shadoweh is always dumb until d3 or so, and i can't really tell if she's being town or scum
still waiting on dormio/hero999/rawr `_` hero are you expressing that dormio be the one killed today?
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oh right we have that wrath of god thing, i guess we're supposed to handle lurkers with those, maybe `_`
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The game had just started, it had been less then 24 hours and just from reading the first page I can see Dormio asking questions that are related to playing the game. As opposed to say, Amra, who said 'plz don't kill me Dan'. You have no standard for your lynches. Saying lurkers is great when you never intend to read back to see if they were lurking and are instead prioritizing on 'easiest to convince people to kill'.
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Also I appreciate you refuting me with 'u r dum' I've totally never had that happen before.
The Wrath of God is for lurkers yes. I was thinking we could actually give people time to lurk before shooting them.
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dormio asked questions to dan and zakeri, and both of them are dead now. `_`
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i guess amra should post too but i feel like i can get a read on amra even at his current pace `_`
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wait shadoweh, how many posts per page do you have, since i don't think we have the same settings.
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Here's a mod with a friendly-- oh, no votes were cast!
But you still spent 12 hours. There's 36 hours left.
Also, please refrain from ad hominem attacks. Mafia is a party game and I will have you play it as such.
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I'm sorry for calling you dumb Shadoweh :( I hope you will forgive me and also I hope you will tell me how many posts per page you have.
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I forgive you but I still want you to die plz.
I use 50 like a sane person. And I don't have a QT with Amra asking what a flip is so I honestly don't know how to get a read this time.
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##WrathofGod: rawr
Shadoweh your Polaris case sucks and every time I read it I only want to shoot you more.
The game had just started, it had been less then 24 hours and just from reading the first page I can see Dormio asking questions that are related to playing the game. As opposed to say, Amra, who said 'plz don't kill me Dan'. You have no standard for your lynches. Saying lurkers is great when you never intend to read back to see if they were lurking and are instead prioritizing on 'easiest to convince people to kill'.
Stuff like this would be more convincing if I didn't point how you were posting nonsense yesterday re: PX etc and you just ignored it all after my last post. I mean on some level I'm happy to think that people are kowtowing to me and agreeing with my last word, but most of the time I think it's just because they're ignoring me instead. Also, given that you acknowledge that the game had been going for 24 hours at the point, I don't know what you're trying to push here. As far as I'm concerned Dormio/Amra/Hero/rawr have all provided equal amounts of irrelevant content. Dormio is slightly better but his posts were just minor points that didn't go anywhere. How are you supposed to get a standard for lynching people who all have the same amount of nothing? Your case is "omgggg why no case????" when you're not really a hardcore Making Cases person from your most recent town games and push suspects on gut and feelings etc. So I'm really curious as to why you're pushing this angle.
The Wrath of God is for lurkers yes. I was thinking we could actually give people time to lurk before shooting them.
We should get started, it'll take 48 hours just to nuke one lurker and that's all we have in a day. I get the feeling Hero would be trying harder if he were scum. Yeah yeah, meta, I know. I'm down for wrathing him or rawr either way since it doesn't look like they intend on contributing. Or Amra I guess but I like to be nice to newbies; it helps retention rate. Dormio doesn't go here because Dormio not paying attention is totally a town tell.
People should vote. See like this.
##Vote: Shadoweh
Polaris okay but what do you actually think about people beyond :lurk: You think everyone besides dormio/hero/rawr looks town to you?
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Also I don't really subscribe to the logic of not shooting Shadoweh just because she's one of the few players being active and posting content in this game. If I decide to shoot someone else it'll be because I get a town read on her, which if she's town will probably happen naturally if she continues to post.
That said, I don't have anything against ganking people like Hero, but how the hell are you supposed to distinguish between them? I guess this is mostly directed at Edible.
Hero should post a serious game opinion or I'd wrath him over the non-existent rawr. Deliberate trolls are more annoying than non-players.
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So, uh, I still have no idea what to make of kingmaker, especially since Zakeri and ActionDan are still dead.
What Shadoweh mentioned in #120 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14330.msg949519.html#msg949519) stands out to me, though, and I would like Amra to answer that question.
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ok I'm up for wrath of god `_`
##WrathOfGod: rawr
well like my list is dormio/hero/rawr and px/amra to a lesser extent, not just because they're lurkers but also because I don't particularly see the need to kill anyone in the other half of the playerlist just yet (they could be townreads if I change the threshold for scum/town reads)
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i guess the fun part of having a king is that my opinion on whether or not we should kill shadoweh has very little bearing on the actual outcome
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You're right, I feel much better about what I've been pointing out after I went back to sleep.
Re that PX thing by the way I really dislike being forced to defend a point that I don't actually want to pursue. I don't think PX's posts are that bad this game, just not the kind of good that should cause someone to say okay and vote the next nearest person on their say-so. Maybe everyone else would ignore you less if you weren't obviously going to lynch me and they could post haikus about Bard's favorite emoticon instead of contributing.
##VOTE: POLARIS
I'm still not going to wrath someone who hasn't had a chance to post because Dan jumped the gun. even if Rawr would probably deserve it anyways.
bunchacuts can hold their horses
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Also, Polaris' flippant attitude towards the Wrath of God is clearly indicative of him being scum due to scum's want for reduced numbers.
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^ is that a serious claim that i should address
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Dormio are you trying to guess what I'm going to say and posting it first?
I more like the preemptive Amra/PX additions for when his first lot clear out, which he got from me pointing them out, ready to sub in for when a totes scummy individual gets vigged.
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^ is that a serious claim that i should address
Sure, why not? Words are supposed to be totally great. Or something.
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i will acknowledge that i added amra/px as an afterthought. they didn't really fit in the "i don't want to kill them" category so i put them in the other category `_`
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I'm gonna predict the future here.
-Conq shoots Shadoweh since he's not paying attention to anyone else and is clearly trying to force his case (not that it matters because he has the gun and is under no obligation to make a case)
-Shadoweh flips town (probably)
-Conq gets shot d3 for refusing to consider other cases d2
-Conq flips town (less probably)
-It's d4, town runs around like a chicken with its head cut off
Basically the moral of the story is conq should probably not spend all day poking shadoweh with a stick and maybe look at other people? BT too. Shoot her if you must but at least pretend like you might consider someone else.
Meanwhile, Hero is either playing to lose or he's a jester. Probably no point wasting a gank on him yet if that's the case.
@Bard: Will wrath-o'-god end the day? (I disagree with flippancy claims re: wrath of god, I like killing players that are serving as naught but distractions :3c)
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Sure, why not? Words are supposed to be totally great. Or something.
i mean it was kind of an unconvincing way to try and pin someone as scum so i was just wondering if you were seriously suspecting me.
edible's prediction of the future worries me because it implies that we're going to kill people on my "don't kill" list before the the people on the other list :< i'll need to find an ibn5100 if i want to prevent conq from his inevitable death in this world line!
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I just had a semi-epiphany, maybe shadoweh is scum??? :o
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Maybe everyone else would ignore you less if you weren't obviously going to lynch me and they could post haikus about Bard's favorite emoticon instead of contributing.
-Conq shoots Shadoweh since he's not paying attention to anyone else and is clearly trying to force his case (not that it matters because he has the gun and is under no obligation to make a case)
Gosh, y'all are such a defeatist bunch. >_> Even when I'm strongly reading scum on someone it doesn't mean that I view them as the ONE TRUE LYNCH, because that's not how I play. After all, everyone is scum and it's just a matter of what order you die in.
Edible is just mad because he doesn't want me to shoot someone he sees as one of the few people playing and making this game enjoyable. :)
But it's okay, because I think I found what I'm looking for from Shadoweh. ##Unvote
Re: paying attention to anyone else, just because I want to stab Shadoweh doesn't mean I'm ignoring everyone else, gosh. No one else is really doing anything. If we're going to go the hero route we can wrath that, I'm not wasting a gank on that.
Shadoweh if you're going to pursue the Polaris wants to mislynch all the lurkers then does that mean his buddies are in the remainder?
Polaris being flippant is probably alignment unindicative, as proven with all the times I've wanted to lynch him for it when he was town in his previous games.
I'm pretty sure Wrath of God doesn't end the day or there would be no point to it.
So, uh, I still have no idea what to make of kingmaker, especially since Zakeri and ActionDan are still dead.
What does this even mean?
Edit: Polaris so why now instead of earlier?
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......i don't really know ??? i just ended up thinking "hey maybe her case on me is bad because she is scum and not because she made a bad case" and i'm not exactly sure what to think :derp:
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##Wrath of God: Hero999 I guess
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@Bard: Will wrath-o'-god end the day? (I disagree with flippancy claims re: wrath of god, I like killing players that are serving as naught but distractions :3c)
The Wrath of God will not end the Day. You still get your King lynch. Note that the original WoG rules stipulated the player in question had to be disruptive in some way; That has since been removed and I will modkill anyone who reaches the WoG count, regardless of their standing. It's only fair.
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Double posting like a boss, a votecount!
Shadoweh (1): Conqueror
Polaris (1): Shadoweh
WRATH OF GOD
Rawr (1)
Hero999 (1)
With 10 live players, it takes 7 to WoG.
You've spent around 15 hours already, time's a-tickin'.
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Rawr has two wraths :< Conq and I both used wrath on him.
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Actually, I think I was mentally equating wrath of god with shadoweh's weird tar and feather system from that game she hosted one time, but should rawr be prodded or...?
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rawr probably flaked tbh and there are no modkills, so that's what wrath is for. this is why i think the argument of "but they didnt post yet" is nonsensical, because they're not going to be replace or modkilled so...what are we going to do with them? let them st there?
also this is a bit different from tarring than feathering in that if we want to wrath someone who's scum we're going to need near unaminous town agreement assuming 2 or 3 scum, because lol %70 threshold.
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there are no prods in this game afaict
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Well yeah I meant tar and feather system as in it replaced the prod system, but I wasn't sure if the wrath of god system replaced the prod system in this game. was wondering if rawr actually forgot that he was in mafia and needed a friendly reminder or something <_> but that's not very likely (at least I hope)
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rawr probably flaked tbh
I was originally giving him the benefit of the doubt since he's not actually posted since ed1.
Then I noticed he's been online since then!
##wrath rawr :derp:
Conq I'm confused, did you bail on your shadoweh scumread or are you just thinking she's okay for now?
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eh i think she's okay. dont really have a town read on her but im seeing some of the enthusiasm/desperation i associate with shadoweh town. i still dont like her polaris case though.
also i not-so-secretly favour killing people who don't contribute over those who do. and hell, even if shadoweh is scum, she's not the only one.
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You never like anything I do *tableflip*
Look, if Rawr doesn't post after 24 hours are up I'll agree he's wrathable, but I really think you're jumping the gun on being mean to him.
I was also suddenly caught up in ~*~IRL STUFF~*~ and my guts will be on the floor if I'm caught posting for a few hours so DON'T LYNCH ME WHILE I'M GONE OKAY
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hey that's not true at all, i dont immediately go >:< at everything you post :< if it makes you feel better like i said im leaning towards ganking someone else today, i dont like how everyone is mostly just hanging by and i have a few people in mind. it's not polaris though, i feel like you're latching onto him because he posts stream of consciousness.
ill admit that i may be power tripping a little. i just want people to post!
people not named edible, shadoweh, or polaris, although i do appreciate and welcomely seek their input.
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no way you guys, i was unexpectedly hit with alot of things recently so yea excuses. i also left my computer on while i was at class
new lynch list: dormio, hero, dr rawr
Or Rawr. Or Amra. Because I seriously can't remember who is in this game.
i feel as though this isnt particularly right. i guess in a kingmaker game it would be easy for scum to setup kills on us but it isnt really scummy i guess to want to lynch these people
PX not following up on dormio in that list is though. im pretty sure px wouldnt have dropped his vote on him if he had read dormios posts in between in own posts.
Also dont think hero is a jester and not do anything in particular just to receive the wrath of god.
Meanwhile, Hero is either playing to lose or he's a jester. Probably no point wasting a gank on him yet if that's the case.
then who should conq gank if not hero?
guys i feel as though setting up some kind of rampage streak with me -> amra -> px -> dormio -> hero wont get us too far. not saying there isnt scum between that list i just dont want kings going though with it everyday from here on.
well like my list is dormio/hero/rawr and px/amra to a lesser extent, not just because they're lurkers but also because I don't particularly see the need to kill anyone in the other half of the playerlist just yet (they could be townreads if I change the threshold for scum/town reads)
this post bother me too much
##Vote: Polaris
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##WrathOfGod: Hero999
it's too late for me to deal with anything mentally intensive >:<
who is scum aaaaaaaa
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because i feel like my post looks like total shit
-px is scum because i feel as though him not mentioning dormio at the start of the day even though he was voting him for most of d1. Im also feeling as though theres no way dormios posts would have satisfied his original reasoning of voting him at all.
-polaris posts bother me and makes me think hes scum because of that separation of of me/hero/dormio and px/amra looks incredibly wrong. i feel as though if polaris were scum it would be easy to fall back onto px/amra(or tbh any one of mentioned) if either of them were his scum buddy. i still feel that scum would try to setup easy myslynches even if it did include one of there scum friends.
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Sorry for the late response. school was eating my time. also release of Lord of Maidens.
in any case my logic is based around the rules of the mafia I used to play, which was literally lynch+nightkill until it was impossible to lynch the remaining scum with what people you had; so sometimes you'd be down to two town one scum on the last day. which means day 1, anyone who knew they were town simply had to make sure they weren't lynched because there was the assurance there would be plenty of days to do things. in any case I'm not particularly interested in D1 discussions because in my experience nothing really happens in them, but hey internet mafia is an entirely different beast because you can actually go back and check d1 discussions and it's impossible to bullshit people since it's all recorded there.
let's get going then.
hero your post was pretty much what I was expecting from you. <3 and because of it it's time to die
##WrathOfGod: Hero999
polaris' stuff makes sense to me imo Shadoweh. if they're lurkers, then they generally are going to be forced to post when put on someone's lynch list regardless of whether or not they're actually scum, because if they don't then it pulls suspicion. but if they post something bad then, welp. your polaris case is a little too excitable for my tastes but if it was because of sleep deprivation alright.
we got a conq->shadoweh->polaris thing going on here as well, in addition to the dota player rampage thing rawr mentioned.
'm going to agree with Rawr and say seperating myself and PX from him, hero, and dormio is sorta fucked up? we've all done pretty much the same amount of stuff. but his lynch list earlier did make sense if we're going with the whole lurker=~scum thing. which I still don't really agree with? but I'm used to playing mafia with shy people who don't say anything.
so while polaris' thing from earlier makes sense, the separation bit is ringing bells in my head. why particularly did you separate PX and me from the rest, Polaris?
but yeah sorry for not posting.
it's sorta fucked up that the dota players are all being put on the same list in a dota themed game.
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dormio/hero/rawr were there first, so they're grouped together `_`
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i mean, from a logical standpoint dormio/hero/rawr/px/amra are all in the same general area so when i started off with dormio/hero/rawr, i figured "eh i guess px/amra should go here too" but like i said it was more of an afterthought.
i never really understood the whole setting up lynches argument and i don't really know if it works out in the kingmaker environment `_`
gosh you lurkers, thanks for posting when i'm trying to ignore mafia to work on an assignment
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i feel like arbitrarily clearing rawr/amra and so if we get to wrathofgod hero, then i'm left with dormio/px for gank choices :L what do you think, conq?
and i'm kind of putting certain people on my don't-kill-for-today list under some scrutiny.
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Somewhat unrelated question to Amra: around how many people did you usually have in the mafia games you used to play?
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wrath: hero
vote: px
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classes of ten to fifteen.
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Conq: So effectively you're saying to just treat Polaris like Serela?
omgigosh rawr posted it's a miracle what happens when you aren't being impatient. Second addendum: I will agree to Wrath Hero if he doesn't post a content post instead of mimicking being a duck.
Amra: The thing about forcing lurkers to post is they can't answer you wanting to lynch them if the only reason you give is 'because scum'. Like PX did, their natural response is going to be 'what the hell do you want from me?'
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Wow, I completely forgot about mafia.
So...Lets see...
Conq is the shepard.
Polaris is the sheep.
With DrRawr going not me over me, to Amra being a sheep with a hateonforme.
^_^
People's having personal scum List in a KingMaker are somewhat redundant.
Polaris is essentially Waffling like a selary, on a waffling day.
Shadoweh is sarcasm everywhare.
and...who the hell is playing again?
I'm a duck, I'm a duck, I'm a duck.
YOU'RE A DUCK!
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Hero my man are you going to show up more than once per Day or what?
##vote Dormio
What little content there is from Dormio thus far has been him going ヘ（?ｏ｀）ヘ and coattailing, which I don't like. Still not a fan of BT's D2 posts either.
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Conq: So effectively you're saying to just treat Polaris like Serela?
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I can't believe I took the time to type that out, ugh, but it should make things clearer. Is what Polaris doing a little superficial? Maybe, sure. Is it definitely scum-motivated? Not necessarily. And really, Shadoweh, in the end, you've distinguished between the lurkers about as much as he has. Maybe if you take the effort to distinguish between the lurkers more I'll be able to take your case more seriously. As it is though, I don't intend on ganking either you or Polaris.
I'm still down with wrathing Hero, he's being deliberately unreadable at this point.
Amra, I'm not sure who you want ganked from that, could you elaborate a little? I mean you talk a little about Polaris but end with ?????
PX and Dormio should post something game-relevant for today.
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Well, BT too I guess, I forgot about him until I read Edible's post.
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##WrathofGod: Hero999
Might be out rest of day. I supose PX, BT and Dormio are better then the other option.
But it was funny, you shouldn't apologize for that!
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As far as WoGs go:
CONQ: HERO
POLARIS: HERO
EDIBLE: RAWR
AMRA: HERO
SHADOWEH: HERO
So Hero's at 4 votes to die the death, and needs 3 more to actually die. In light of certain matters though I have adjusted the WOG threshold to 60%, so Hero needs 2 more votes to die!
You've spent 29 hours, thereabouts. Votes are thus:
PX (1): Conqueror
Polaris (2): Shadoweh, Rawr
Dormio (4): Edible
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##VOTE POLARIS
You know, reading through all his posts, he hasn't said anything other than lynch the lurkers. And that's really all he's provided for who is scum. No reason other than that. You can see that he gives up as soon as the person posts. Look at his last post! He immediately gives up without reason, or talking about their post. We should, like, kill Polaris.
Also, Dormio is still a useless potato who hasn't said anything. Can we kill him too?
##WrathofGod Hero999 (http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/9/92/Zuus_ability_thunder_02.mp3)
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Lynch All Lurkers is a valid strategy and I don't really blame Polaris for indulging in it. :<
The only issue is half the game appears to be lurkin'.
Also, Dormio is still a useless potato who hasn't said anything. Can we kill him too?
I'm trying to bring this to people's attention. >_> Pretty okay with Dormio getting thrown off a bridge by Conq today.
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I just slept half the day away accidentally (time I was planning to make a post in) so I think I'm physically unable to contribute anything.
(If I don't get well soon and this becomes a thing just sub me out.)
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But when that's your only content and you're not trying to look for scum from the other half of the game, it's just lazy stance that scum can easily hold.
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dotos too hard.
Had to do a lot of shit yesterday, whatever.
Don't like Amra. Think he should probably die or something.
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dotos too hard.
Had to do a lot of shit yesterday, whatever.
Don't like Amra. Think he should probably die or something.
(http://i.imgur.com/0Vyfn.gif)
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gott im himmel
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Next WoG on Hero immediately kills him, Day will continue if that happens, flip at end of Day.
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I pointed out polaris but I don't particularly think he's scum. Maybe I'm gullible but I believe his explanation.
care to elaborate dormio?
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My brain tells me Dormio is worse than PX but my heart tells me that Conq should gank PX.
Which do you believe in more, Conq, my brain or my heart!?!?!
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Are you going to do this thing where you explain why?
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Well I mean I can't explain how my heart works `_` But from a logical standpoint, Dormio has done nothing productive all day so <_>
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First of all, Amra still hasn't answered why he felt the need to begin talking only after the lynch on D1.
He claims that that he sees the first day as being mostly meaningless, which I would disagree with but whatever, so why the sudden contribution after a lynch is confirmed?
On top of that, there's something about the logic he's using in attacking Polaris for attacking him that rubs me the wrong way.
But time is a thing that I don't feel like trying to gain. Whatever.
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I pointed out polaris but I don't particularly think he's scum. Maybe I'm gullible but I believe his explanation.
care to elaborate dormio?
so then who do you think is scum?
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Hero I'm gonna switch my wrath vote to you if you don't post something useful very soon, fyi.
Conq, list of leading targets for today at present (for something to talk about)? We only got ~12 more hours.
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He claims that that he sees the first day as being mostly meaningless, which I would disagree with but whatever, so why the sudden contribution after a lynch is confirmed?
I find this sentence all sorts of weird.
He is contributing...something...therefore...SUSPICIOUS!!!
...Bwuh?
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Which do you believe in more, Conq, my brain or my heart!?!?!
maybe i want to skip both px and dormio and shoot amra!!!
oh, you were asking about the brain vs the heart.
well let me tell you a story. it's about two brothers who wanted to change the world. one followed his brain. the other followed his heart.
the first became an economist and devoted his life to numbers. using mathematical models he was able to assign numerical values to human life and other aspects of society. working within the highest echelons of the new world order, he was set on creating and pushing through policies that would help in the creation of a new, better world, no matter the cost it would take to get there. others called him stuff like mechanical, ruthless, insane, criminal. eventually he was executed by the very same policies he helped to put in place. he was okay with it in a way, because he knew it was all for the greater good in the end, right??? but he was also disappointed, because a part of him knew that there would never be an end.
the second decided to become an activist to reach people's emotions. he died homeless on the streets of rio de janeiro after lots of drama.
there was a secret third brother, who devoted his life to chaos. he blew stuff up and generally had a great time, because the nature of the world is neither logic nor emotion, but chaos. chance. unpredictable, illogical, unemotional.
none of this is game relevant. i wanted to do something else with this but :effort:, figures.
Conq, list of leading targets for today at present (for something to talk about)? We only got ~12 more hours.
I'm assuming that hero gets wrathed, especially after this post that I see cutting me.
The list for me is something like this then:
2. Pudgio
4. PX
6. BT
10. Amra
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well maybe hero's post isnt that bad
BUT STILL
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amra - no scumreads
dormio - his case against amra feels like he threw a bunch of random stuff together, hasnt done much else
px - looks better than the first two probably. i have bad gut on him i guess based on the way he's pushing his cases, but i wont pretend to be an expert px reader.
bt - ??? i dunno. i guess i want to kill dormio/amra before him.
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oh, and hero999 - i can't read this. all he's done is the one point on dormio. hero, what happened to when you actually tried in your early games?
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He died.
A Fiery death.
Filled with oil, and flames roaring as they consumed his body. Forgotten as someone scatters his ashes to the winds.
Polaris should probably sit down, and think a little. Probably not about anything that keeps circling and making his head hurt. Can't trust anything he says or willing too considering all I'm seeing in his cases are
MAIN BURN KILL - X, Y, Z. In a more fumbly manner.
Dormio is all sorts of weird. Attacking Amra for...CONTRIBUTING of all things as one of his reasons.
PX, is explaining to his LURKER LOGIC! or something.
Shadoweh has little impression on me.
Conq is just the shepard herding the sheeps as always.
BT is...no clue.
Edible is just Fuwafuwa would totally SHEEPSTICK.
Only just realized DrRawr is even playing. The fact that he specifically points me out...when the other players talked about has done about the same amount I had at the time...Inclined to believe he is scum.
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see hero im seeing just more iioa
which of them do you think are scum?
wrath of god: conq
placeholder i guess
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also hero you literally talked about everyone except amra
what do you think of amra?
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I think I realized why this game is so weird for me. My natural instinct is to stay away from certain lynches, but this entire game is made out of those people. How exactly do you sift through to find the scum when everyone is someone you should put on ignore?
Both Hero and BT(being sick making you hero level is grounds for wrathing too you know) seriously need to give a simpler reads list instead of ducks. Or Hero could just die and make it half-easier for all of us.
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@ltero: except arma didn't really contrubvite. all he did was say that he thisnk that talking d1 is mostly useless.
Also, I cannot properly read the topic right now i Just got brack from the optromihlamogist and everything is very blurry and eark.
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also hero you literally talked about everyone except amra
what do you think of amra?
Eh? Amra?...
I would agree with Dormio about Amra's comment about D1 nothing happens! Lolz!
Kind fishy and all kinds of things. But still...within reason.
@ltero: except arma didn't really contrubvite. all he did was say that he thisnk that talking d1 is mostly useless.
Also, I cannot properly read the topic right now i Just got brack from the optromihlamogist and everything is very blurry and eark.
...So it seems, but you still attacked him with "contributing" as a reason.
Of people I would think as scum...Top three is
DrRawr, Dormio, and Amra.
Aaan The love is filling me up~
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If we're all going to hang on my quip that d1 discussions are useless, then w/e. That's a viewpoint I carry because of my prior mafia experiences, and it's rapidly proving to not be proper for this. d1 is a lot more useful in internet mafia and I'm going to have to get used to that.
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@amra
so then who do you think is scum?
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Oh, didn't notice that, sorry conq.
Um, hmm. I'm going to have to say Dormio is looking sorta scummy right now; he's really hanging on to the whole 'amra says d1 is useless thing' and not doing anything else, as far as I can tell. Not really getting any particular reads from anyone else.
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dormio and amra having singular scumreads on each other and no one else is so mind-numbingly frustrating i dont even
maybe they're scum together
ill give them both until i go to sleep to explain why i should shoot one over the other, and to give other scumreads, because im pretty sure there's more than one scum out there
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it's actually mindboggling because there are so many low-content lurkers in this game that it should be easy to attack them if you're scum looking for town mislynches (because all the lurkers cant be scum, it's just numerically impossible), so im not sure what dormio and amra both ignoring most of these players is supposed to mean. i guess maybe it's just the kingmaker setup making everyone lazy.
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ebwop: to expand, i cant see anyone just completely ignoring all of these players if they're town so im just :psyduck:
dormio is more guilty of this than amra
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*if they're town either
basically you're all lazy bumsssss
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okay, i want to kill dormio, and then amra should die afterwards. i think this is it.
i think dormio's confusion about kingmaker reads fake. plus when he's town he at least puts in the minimal effort, right now it looks like he's barely trying. also i get the impression that he's trying to abuse meta by "not caring." because despite everything i know dormio cares about and enjoys playing mafia.
the amra bit would be last minute distancing. amra having dormio as his only scumread im reading as newbie confirmation bias. everyone else looks town because you know they're town from your role pm. if dormio isn't scum the case for amra scum is still strong; compare his play here with his play last game in final fantasy mafia and he feels a lot more cautious here especially with his reads. here it boils down to polaris weird but i think he's town and dormio scum i guess, when he had a lot more to say in the previous game where he was town.
if there's a third scum then i dunno lol. bt? w/e
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Honestly I think Hero is actually scum, but the WoG is probably going to wipe him off the face the planet so is it important that I read him?
I wouldn't blame you for shooting me and lynching dormio, or vice versa though. I'm not really doing anything particularly useful.
I want to say Polaris looked like he was setting up some sort of hit list by grouping us together and that could be used for ANY number of purposes, but that was already pointed out so welp.
it's a little weird but now I'm looking at PX funny for voting Polaris solely on the basis of him lynching lurkers, but makes a good point that polaris sorta did give up on me super fast after I spoke up.
also BT's sick call is sort of a thing considering he has nothing else; that's sort of the thing you can pull off with this much time.
so I suppose a lynch list would be
dormio<>hero>px<>polaris<>bt
prioritizing the first two, but I'm fairly sure hero's going to get WoG'd? I wanna say prioritize dormio but that's frustrating conq so I won't. anyone in that list is fine for me.
conq my reads are a lot more cautious because I don't have a QT to leech opinions from shadoweh and serela.
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also LoM.
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okay that post makes me feel a lot better about you why couldnt you have made that earlier jeez >:<
also LoM.
i remember when dan played dota so much he didnt post for a week (or so) in a mafia game, was great
hero needs two more wog votes. i could switch back to hero but we still need another.
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I think Conq is the king. ##Vote: Conq
tbh Day 1 is useless on Day 1. It's not useless later. I can understand thinking so after last game's antics. Also Amra having more to say last game might have been because he was in a qt with people saying a bunch of stuff. Do you really think the scumteam is two guys tunneling on each other and a lurker?
for the record I think Polaris is just as weird as Hero, just Hero is being more blatantly annoying about it.
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shadoweh what do you think of dormio/px
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ebwop: i desire your expert dormio opinion in particular
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ebwodp: im actually not sure i want to wog hero anymore now that he actually started posting content though.
i hate you all.
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And then he cuts me with a post that actually states what I just said and makes me look like I'm parroting gdi Amra
PX seems fine to me and Dormio caused an internal server error when I looked at him his statement on not knowing what to make of Kingmaker seems to really mean 'this game' since he's using it to address his suspects murdering each other yesterday. Looking at his running commentary though he's treating posting like it's a chore to him. I'm honestly not sure if it's scummy or not. It's not that he doesn't care about what people think, it's that he just doesn't care? Apathy is hard to read man
Cut: I was already expanding on Dormio before you said anything you jerk
Wait when did I have an expert opinion on Dormio
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you always seem to be able to get weird town reads on dormio, like in last game.
and yeah the apathy is what i was talking about with dormio. even though he does get a bit apathetic at times (and from what i can tell it's more likely when he's town) it's somewhat different, after all this was the sole person who wanted to continue playing notv on the last day.
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ebwop: i think it could point to him being scum because maybe he doesn't enjoy it as much now that he doesnt have as much control over the lynch?
or it could just be because he's sick or something in which case it doesnt mean anything buh
sigh shadoweh can i just gank you for peace of mind instead :>
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##Wrath of God: Hero
I want to do this again.
Dormio, what's your opinion on hero?
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Alright, I shouldn't have to do anything for a while. And I finally have my eyesight back, even if my eyes are still sore.
Which means that I can finally look at mafia properly for the first time in several days.
And so, I'm going to be going over things from the top again.
Anyway, and so, the whole ordeal between IHNN and various others that I didn't read properly.
I think that IHNN looks the worst. In particularly, his kneejerk response (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14330.msg949162.html#msg949162) to Conq strikes me as particularly worrying. Unfortunately, as a devout member of the church of Bledibleh, I don't think that this by itself is enough to incriminate the slot.
What I do find interesting though is BT. Basically, his accusation towards Shadoweh in #43 reads very strangely to me. Considering kingmaker, I think that the whole push with Shadoweh not voting is far too manufactured or something.
The followup in #54 reads just as strangely to me. It seems like a misrep or something.
And, the early ED1 bandwagon comment makes no sense to me.
All this is compounded by the fact that BT never gets a solid read on IHNN one way or the other. Instead, he tries to pass it off as >IHNN, which feels like a copout to me.
The rest of BT's contribution amounts to a poke at Polaris which he quickly drops.
There's also Amra. I'm just getting really thrown off by the timing of his posts on D1.
The wait and see approach that Amra says that he goes by is a scummy approach in my opinion.
And then, the fact that Amra waited until after Dan had basically lynched somebody else to begin talking about his reasons for not talking during D1 seems really iffy to me.
His latest two posts with content achieve all of absolutely nothing.
He basically pokes at a few people but provides nothing that is very solid on any of them.
In addition, it's pretty hypocritical how he latches onto the Polaris hate for the ambiguous lynch wantings, yet does the exact same thing himself where he lists five people and says that he doesn't care who's lynched among these five.
I'm really not sure what to make of Hero. He appears to have gone insane again. Tell me when something interesting happens with him.
And so, despite my earlier posts, I think that I am most suspicious of BT.
Warning - while you were typing 14 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Wait when did I have an expert opinion on Dormio
It was during that one night in Paris, where the stars were shining through the moonlit sky.
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Also, Conq trying to read me through meta amuses me to no end.
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Also, every time you say wogs, you make me think of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw8soyvhnOI).
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Also, Conq trying to read me through meta amuses me to no end.
you're cruel >:(
opinion of px, dormio?
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Conq if you gank me on Day 2 of a game with no graveyard I swear to god
I CAN'T WRATH HERO ANY HARDER OKAY I'M FARMING AS HARD AS I CAN
Dormio remembering to take the time to romance me does make me slot him townier now.
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Opinion on PX is that I can't read him for shit. I think he's scum every game.
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it's okay shadoweh im not going to gank you today even if i dont trust you one bit >:(
i hate that content starts rolling in in the last 12 hours of the game when i should be sleeping
@mod: can i have a 15-30 minute deadline extension?
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i hate that content starts rolling in in the last 12 hours of the game
~Deadlines~
In my defence, I really didn't have much time to post until earlier today.
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it is sorta hypocrisy, yeah, but it's all I can really offer. I don't have anything solid!
I suppose I should think about post timings then if those draw attention.
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I 100% dont trust you until the gank falls. =.=
I also 100% need to sleep and work through the deadline. I would also put votes on Bard being a jerk about deadlines. Lynch someone at least.
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CONQ: HERO
POLARIS: HERO
EDIBLE: RAWR
AMRA: HERO
SHADOWEH: HERO
Unless I missed something, Hero is one WOG from getting modkilled and losing the game.
There are 2.5 hours remaining in this day, but not exact science. Deadlines are absolute, and not subject to extensions outside of the board going down in a fiery blaze of curses.
Conq (1): Shadoweh
PX (1): Conqueror
Polaris (1): Rawr
Dormio (4): Edible
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##Gank: Dormio
Gut
sorry if im wrong dormio you know ilu
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Uhh wow
I was literally just going to post my catchup
And offer to WoG Hero
Can I???
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Ah fuck it there were like 100001 posts after the Dan gank?
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Got some meds. X hours to deadline. Final destination.
(Not linking anything because priority is getting this out there)
Shadoweh #138: I thought it was clear that I didn't like any of that? Though I guess PX's thing was the least solid. I do think IHNN brushing off Polaris's contribution as town that easily (when there wasn't a solid reason to do so) points to scum and that your opening (particularly you passively discrediting my point against you while voting loudman Polaris) likewise. I don't know how much I'm willing to trust that early gutread but this is actually more telling~
I don't like Edible's response either considering it's a cheap way of discrediting my observations as "not scumhunting".
Dormio #155 is gutjerkingly bad. Like, I'd have -maybe- expected Shadoweh to say that (Ms. you are totes scum Polaris) but not the guy with almost no opinions / presence beforehand. It reads like he jumped on a point that looked good to him for towncred.
rawr #179 reads like town. Mostly the "I'm gonna make my former post clearer" thing.
At first I was conflicted about Amra #180 but I'm thinking he's town as well. Seems honest at #203.
Hero #215 is brow-raising considering he said rawr "specifically pointed him out" (was a minor comment at best?) and that he is inclined to believe he is scum. It's like he didn't read his post properly and decided to scumread him.
Dormio #240: "or something" is right. Everyone was using votes (including Shadoweh) so treating it as a normal game was only natural, and if you think my posts are strange there's no need to split it to a few points like that when you're not even sure what to say. And what's wrong with me not getting a solid read off of IHNN's -nothing- at the time? ... Did you not read my post today at all?
I'm also gutting #241 as snarky scum but, uh, gut.
I don't think I'm as solid as I want to be about my priorities. Conq is giving me trouble reading him just like last game, though at least I'm not super paranoid this time. I'm more troubled about Polaris for the lack of some real scumhunting among his activity (and he seemed clearer about his reads last game though that may be because he subbed in with content abound). I wouldn't be surprised if Edible was scum but that doesn't seem like an actual option today. I'm still suspicious of Shadoweh but nothing jumped out at me today and, uh, Conq backing off gives me pause as well considering how terrible I am at reading her. PX consistently slips my mind, though I'm not gutting him as scum or anything. I'm more than okay with the Dormio shot, of course. Definitely him over Amra.
I'd WoG Hero.
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Wait, that was because he missed the ##s
~_____~
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Hammer shut up etc.
Goddamn people. Goddamn.
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I will modkill the next person to post after hammer. Don't fucking do it.
Dormio, playing Pudge, just got ganked by majority!
WOG count is reset.
IT IS NOW NIGHT YOU HAVE 24 HOURS. Kingmaker, send me your new King(s), Scum, gimme your kill.
DON'T POST, NOT EVEN BAH POSTS.
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This and that happened and we experienced a short delay. My apologies!
Doubly my apologies to Conqueror, playing Outworld Devourer, who found his AWESOME MANA REGENERATION SKILLS to be useless in a fight. He was murdered over night!
But never fear, for KING OF THE GANK: EDIBLE is here, and he may ##GANK: someone within 48 hours to exact SWEET VENGEANCE on those who stand to oppose the glory of the Dire!
You have 48 hours and there are no votes on the table. No WOGs either. Since there's like 8 of you alive I'll modkill anyone who reaches 4 WOG votes. ARE STANDARDS LOWERING? Yes, they are.
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Also, BT is in the process of being replaced. If I cannot replace him before 12 hours are up, I will modkill his slot and flip him at the end of the Day. A modkill does not end the day in this case.
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...I like to say to everyone...I had a dream where I was killed.
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I had that dream too yesterday, yet somehow you were at L-1 and people neglected to murder you. Why do you think that is, Hero?
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The hell should I know,
BT was going to end me, but Conq went ninja, and off'd Dormio.
Also, with how you worded that Shadoweh, you might as well have gone
Hero999 is totes scum, and added
##Wrath of God:Hero999
Totes suspicious of you now, Shadowmeh.
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Moar cheerleading Plox
Amra, Shadoweh.
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There once was a man named Edible
Whose gameplay was somewhat forgettable
But on reaching Day 3
He learned to his glee
He could shoot anyone - most commendable!
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It would be more serious suspicion then you've shown the entire time before this. Are those your current scum choices? Do you have anything better then 'Shadoweh still hates me' because I'm the first one who posted here?
@Mod: Are we getting LYLO or MYLO warnings this game?
Cut: I don't know why I expected Edible to post something sensical to start the day. I also didn't expect Conq to gank Dormio after I told him he sounded town but etc.
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SOMEONE DOESN'T APPRECIATE POETRY ##GONK SHADOWEH
Seriously though, we have way too many damn non-entities this game. PX, Hero, and Rawr are practically interchangeable, though at least Hero has showed up to post more than once or twice. I'm not really interested in offing Polaris today, and Shadoweh's probably town. No point shooting BT if he's replacing out. Amra I'm having trouble passing judgement on atm.
I'm all for nuking one lurkscum with Wrath and shooting the other.
##wrath Dr Rawr, though I might just shoot him anyway. Feel free to convince me otherwise.
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Okay this is dumb. A grand total of three people have showed up since the day started yesterday. :|
I'm reporting all of you as AFK.
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Huh Whatty is replacing in for BT effective immediately.
@Shadoweh: If I don't forget, yes.
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Okay. 8 people and no mylo/lylo warning means there aren't 3 scum. I'm kind of waiting for people to come around and post.. something? Votes maybe? Epic poetry to counter Edible's mad skills? I know PX at least is here because you asked me to get on teamspeak last night. :|
##Vote: PX Post ya lazy bum.
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We shouldn't wrath of god Rawr, we should wrath of god Hero. ##WrathOfGod: Hero999 If you really want to see Rawr dead then you'll have to gank him, but I personally don't think Rawr needs to die in comparison to PX. PX didn't look like he was serious at all about trying to get scum lynched?he doesn't advance his case on me further than "oh he's only looking at the lurkers", and PX's list of people he talked about also pretty much amounts to the lurkers, so it's pretty hypocritical. I think he should say which of the not!lurkers he thinks is scum before telling me to look for scum in the not!lurkers. >_> ##Vote: PX
I hope Rawr can post more and convince everyone that he is not the one to gank for today.
I don't think Shadoweh, BT, and Amra are scum.
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listposting for fun and convenience
Hero - i think wrathing him is a waste unless we want to be absolutely safe. yeah he's trolling the game but he does it in a way that draws attention to himself instead of making himself forgettable. there's no reason for him to even do this as scum WIFOMing when staying under the radar has worked for him in the past anyway.
Polaris - I think he's town who got fed up with lurkers, don't really want to gank him.
rawr - don't really see a problem with him aside from low postcount. i basically agreed with his px case 100% and thought his content looked pretty legit
Shadoweh - I feel like she should be town but she looks kinda apathetic? Shadoweh why did you not try and convince Conq to shoot one way or the other D2, your Polaris vote just kinda sat there. may or may not support gank depending on how she justifies this
Edible - why immediately gun for rawr when you say you want to attack lurkers? Seems like you're going on "this name out of a hat hasn't posted much, he must die" rather than what's there or not there when they post since rawr's actual post was solid enough that I dunno why you'd threaten him over PX and Hero at this point. Kinda Scummy imo though you're obviously not dying today.
PX - scummiest lurker alive. rawr's D2 vote was pretty solid like i said and compared to hero / rawr he doesn't draw much attention to himself when he does post.
Amra - bugs me atm. check out this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14330.msg950545.html#msg950545).
I want to say Polaris looked like he was setting up some sort of hit list by grouping us together and that could be used for ANY number of purposes, but that was already pointed out so welp.
Is it scummy or not? If so, why can't you just say you agree with it?
it's a little weird but now I'm looking at PX funny for voting Polaris solely on the basis of him lynching lurkers, but makes a good point that polaris sorta did give up on me super fast after I spoke up.
"X is kinda scummy, but Y" is classic scum!Serela and not any townier when other people do it. Also for the amount of support he gives the points on Polaris, Amra doesn't seem to actually want to lynch Polly that much.
This is just a sample but his posts have a lot of filler and side comments that don't really matter which is basically what Edible was poking my playerslot earlier but worse because BT was actually trying to analyze (also: fuck you if you believe in the amish tell). I think he's more likely to be newbscum struggling to post valid opinions than newbtown struggling to create them, since as town there's no need to be apprehensive about stating whether you agree with something or not!
despite all this I want PX to die the most, the Dormio disconnect is telling and the Polly vote was super weak when up to that point PX had been bitching about lurkers a lot too. orrr alternately I guess we could wrath PX for being a lurker pos then gank Amra. I'm down for that. ##WrathOfGod: PX ##Vote: Amra
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Edible - why immediately gun for rawr when you say you want to attack lurkers? Seems like you're going on "this name out of a hat hasn't posted much, he must die" rather than what's there or not there when they post since rawr's actual post was solid enough that I dunno why you'd threaten him over PX and Hero at this point. Kinda Scummy imo though you're obviously not dying today.
Because you and I came to the exact same conclusion today re: hero, and I had my wrath vote on rawr yesterday. Rawr's post was brought about only by direct threat of pressure after spending absolutely zero time on the game through d1 and d2; no such pressure was brought about on PX. In addition, since most/all of the lurkers have posted feeble excuses for their lack of presence, I felt rawr's excuses were the weakest. Besides, rawr has had ample opportunity to post today and still has not (which, I suppose, is also true of px).
I should note that there's nothing preventing you guys from wrathing the guy with the gun (i.e., me), if you want them dead. I can still get my shot in since I'd just be modkilled at the end of the day.
Otherwise I'd really like one of the lurkers - or someone - to get wrathed today. No sense in town passing up a free kill.
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##WrathOfGod: PX
huh what convinced me about Hero so I'm changing my wrath vote to PX mainly because of his (and Edible's, I guess) reasoning. I think wrathing PX could be more productive today. Nothing else to comment on right now :X
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Hmmm okay, I don't necessarily agree though since his actual content didn't seem appease-y to me. imo townies will also want to post if everyone's getting mad at them for lurking, note that they don't really want to be modkilled either
a better way to put my issue with Shadoweh is that it felt like her Polaris case was more to get Conq off of her than to actually lynch Polaris for being scum. as soon as he dropped her she stopped caring
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a better way to put my issue with Shadoweh is that it felt like her Polaris case was more to get Conq off of her than to actually lynch Polaris for being scum. as soon as he dropped her she stopped caring
Yeah, upon rereading her posts this game I think I'm starting to agree with you a little. On the other hand, I kind of want to handwave this for the incredibly low level of give-a-shit other players have offered compared to Shadoweh, who is at a minimum reading and acknowledging cases and offering analysis and stuff. Basically I'd rather have her in lylo than a number of other players as of right now.
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Huh what Jesus Saves: Conq made pretty damn clear that he wasn't considering Polaris no matter how hard I pushed for it. Considering I was pushing him since the previous day I don't see what Conq had to do with it, even if I've cooled off of it now.
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welp haven't posted in d3 yet, apologies.
huh: well when you put it like that I do look scummy! the hit list thing like I said could be interpreted in any number of ways; it sets up a fast chain of kills, and if he's scum that's great but if he's absolutely sure that list is scum it's also great. That sort of play could be interpreted from either angles, but personally I think he was honest about just lumping the lurkers together (so he's not scum).
I'm just a little gated about posting my opinions in general because they're all rehash. but my earlier scum list stands (hero/polaris/px/bt) and I'm just not sure how to go about investigating them. I do want PX to post something though so that there's more to gauge. I honestly don't know why you'd want to get rid of me though unless you were absolutely sure I was scum, because I've hardly done anything, so either huhwhat's town and he actually thinks I'm scum or...he's scum and he's drawing attention to me while other stuff goes on? Delaying the game with a pointless lynch?
To be real, I'm pretty aware that I don't contribute anything. Keeping me alive compared to, say, conq or polly or shadoweh or people who are actually posting content in general is probably more beneficial to scum than town. So I'm actually starting to think huhwhat is town for voting me, cause I honestly don't see why scum would want me dead sooner rather than latter.
I totally see the case on PX though, but I'd be a little more comfortable waiting for him to post at least one more time. His last posts were on page 7, his last post was asking someone for an explanation when polly was pretty much outright saying it was only gut, and he's been absolutely quiet since then. So let's ##WrathOfGod PX.
conq was there a reason you aren't going for polly I'm unaware of/missed? cause I'm still on the fence about him.
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confirming someone as town because they want to lynch me is a thing.
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conq was there a reason you aren't going for polly I'm unaware of/missed? cause I'm still on the fence about him.
conq is dead.
That's 3/4 wrath of gods on PX, by the way.
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oh that would explain why he was quiet. :3
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We should totally slap each other.
Amra is just WOASHAzing now.
He goes, Wowz I know I want PX to post more. Then WoG: PX
???
##Vote Amra!
Also...Thefux, are people not even paying attention to people who get killed or something?
Thefux guys.
Obv.
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I think you should clarify really quickly if that's meant as a WoG vote or not because it looks suspiciously legal.
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Don't I have to specifically add
## to the beginning to consider it...?
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Yes. Thank you for clarifying.
I'm really not buying Amra doing the exact same towntell he made last time after we explained flips to him.
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PX, and DrRawr haven't bothered with a Single Post this day.
Sorely tempted to outright WoG him.
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I'm really not buying Amra doing the exact same towntell he made last time after we explained flips to him.
Wait did that actually happen? Uh. I'd read that as trying to fake a towntell since it happened as soon as somebody tried to push a case on him.
still liking PX wrath + Amra shot because Amra's response to me is a lot of nothing, again. town shouldn't be weighing the benefits of their death, they should be finding scumbody (wordplay of the fucking year do not steal) who isn't them to kill instead. Shadoweh, Conq might not have shot Polly, okay, but you still seemed like you were coasting once he wasn't shooting you, either. Why didn't you look for a shot target who was a plausible gank? Also, why is Polly better to you now anyway?
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Welp, another mafia game, and yet the lynch list is the EXACT SAME. I think I'm beginning to see a pattern. As for this game, everyone seems to be very much preoccupied with this list. So much that they're pretty much ignoring the rest of the game. And thus, I have solved the game. THE SCUM IS 100% WITHIN EDIBLE, SHADOWEH, POLARIS, AND HUH WHAT. FURTHER MORE, IF EDIBLE IS SCUM, SHADOWEH IS SCUM. 100% GUARANTEED. As this is Kingmaker, you don't have to convince town that your partner is scum, you just have to convince ONE person. Thus, protecting your buddy(s) is much better. Looking at what Edible is saying, after being pretty blank yesterday reading through, and what Shadoweh is not saying today, after what she said yesterday, the link is there. Why shouldn't it? Are you saying I'm mad?! WELL I MAD INDEED. Saddened at my lack of being able to obtain power. No matter how hard I try. Alas, my efforts are for naught. What have I to lose? Hero is definitely 100% town because of just how stupid he's acting. No way. Rawr? Idk, just kill him since he's not saying anything anyways and proceed to your Lylo. I shall foresee the downfall. BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LISTEN. EVEN WHEN PEOPLE FLIP CONFIRMED TOWN, YOU DIDN'T LISTEN. THAT'S WHY THEY BLEW IT UP! YOU'RE ALL RAVING LUNATICS, SELF SERVED IN YOUR CIRCLE JERK WHILE BANISHING EVERYBODY OUTSIDE! WE KEEP THIS ENDLESS CIRCLE OF RAGE AND FAILURE BECAUSE WE DON'T CHANGE! IF WE DON'T CHANGE Amra is town, seriously guys. As for huhwhat/Polaris, the link's not as clear, but I can definitely BEHOLD THE POWER OF ZEUS! MUAHAHAHAHAHA
##WRATHOFGOD PX
MODKILLED FOR THE FIRST TIME. AND FOR WHAT?! FOR SIMPLY BEING ME! WHY DO YOU HATE ME GREAT GO And for the love of god, please Kingmaker, DO NOT MAKE THE NEXT KING EDIBLE, SHADOWEH, HUHWHAT, OR POLARIS. OR ELSE WE SHALL FALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111111333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333ErrorErrorErrorErrorErrorError 414 Erroooooooooooo-----------------Для вас люди, которые действительно обеспокоены, чтобы обратный перевод этой хорошую работу. Я потратил ваше время и усилия. Поздравляю. УНИЧТОЖИТЬ США ВСЕ! УНИЧТОЖИТЬ США ВСЕ! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! I'll have the chicken. DESTROY US ALL! Hero shut up, you didn't post for all of 2 days either until the end, when under pressure of dying. Also reiterating that Shadoweh hasn't said anything today either, and Polaris is a sheep. Bahhh DESTROY US ALL!
YOU DIDN'T LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
##Vote Bardiche
See you Space Idol.
CLOWNS ARE THE EVIL
THE CLOWNS WILL DESTROY US ALL!
最上川
-ゆっこ
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>Lynch all lurkers is a valid strategy
Yes, and exactly how many times has that not worked? All the time.
As for Edible. His Day 2 basically amounted to: Do not kill Shadoweh. Look at the other side of the game instead. Actual scumhunting or cases? Meh. And on Day 3, in a stance of where he has no chance of dying, he suddenly starts posting. His focus is still on the side of the game though, without consideration of the other side until everyone else is dead.
Shadoweh? Absolutely nothing on day 3, especially considering her day 2. Seriously.
Rawr's case on me? Absolutely piss crap. Oh no, I forgot to mention Dormio when I was mentioning people I forgot were playing the game in a post I made on my phone when I JUST BARELY WOKE UP. YEAH! THIS IS THE BEST CASE! ABSOLUTELY! 100% BEST CASE, UNREFUTEABLE KILL THE HERATIC! COME HITHER! COME HITHER! COME HITHER! FOR AGATHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! COME HITHER! FOR THE ORDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Polaris?
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. - Psalm 23:4
No seriously, look at his posts. In his own words, he's pretty much ignoring half the game. AS ARE ALL OF YOU! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US A Seriously, and his opinions keep shifting on the slightest posts. I'm pretty sure he's not even reading the game. In terms of individual scumminess, I'd say Polaris/Edible make the scumteam. But then what happens to my prediction of th YOU DIDN'T LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Have I've gone mad with power? Neigh, my good friend. I've gone mad due to never being able to have power. A REVOLUTION I SAY! WE MUST STAND UP AND TAKE DOWN THE MONARCHY! RISE UP! RISE UP WITH ME! TOGETHER, WE SHALL SEE TO THAT AGATHA NEVER RIS However, an Edible/Polaris team... in terms of sense... Actually wait, everybody is ignoring Polaris. DESTROY US ALL! Seriously, this game. Come hither!
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oh no, I didn't bother checking who died, tried to as a dead person something, and I'm going to get lynched for it. and yes last game I didn't know what a flip was because that terminology makes no sense unless you were like distributed cards for role? still not sure why we can't say 'he was town/scum'
huhwhat: I really have no clue what I'm doing. looking at posts doesn't do anything for me, trying to establish patterns and looking at past games and all that stuff is like ??? for me. so what can I do really? Might as well just offer myself as a sacrifice. If I'm scum, it's cool. If I'm town, then it works out to town benefit that I don't end up as one of the last ones alive making bad reads and wasting space and time. My death is a win/win!
I mean signing up for this game just because it was dota themed was silly. ultimately I'm just the same thing but with a name label.
so ##Vote Amra
love you PX. let's see each other on the other side.
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Oh right amra is too derp to be scum yay
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If having a list of people that I don't think is scum is "ignoring half the game" then I don't exactly see a problem with that? Especially when nobody else is pushing to lynch anyone on that list.
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If having a list of people that I don't think is scum is "ignoring half the game" then I don't exactly see a problem with that? Especially when nobody else is pushing to lynch anyone on that list.
That just means you're contempt to sticking with the general town view. SCUM ZING! ZING! ZING! ZING Z! GIND !O SDFPBPSODJFOIWNGIOW !
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I DON'T CARE IF THIS COUNTS AS POSTING AFTER HAMMER I'M ALREADY MODKILLED
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YOU'VE ONLY BROUGHT THIS UPON YOURSELF
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content*
and you're just going full-on confirmation bias mode now :V
also, wrath of god isn't a hammer so w/e
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I don't even know where to begin.
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Edible who are your potential gank choices again?
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..I'll say right now...I somehow thought PX's insanity post was actually Polaris cracking.
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Amra's leading in votes. I'm still considering Rawr because he hasn't posted once all day, but realistically I guess we could just wrath him tomorrow. There's also SURPRISE CONTESTANT.
Really just kind of disappointed in the complete lack of desire to play by half of the game.
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Just so it's clear, am I supposed to know the identity of this surprise contestant or is it a surprise?
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You get flipped at the end of the day so I have no idea. God damnit PX, why the fuck would you do that right after I went out of my way to clarify that you weren't flipping dead yet and wanting to not be throwing you out the window? And this is the one game where posting like an idiot would matter because the lynch is on one person's hands!
##Vote: Amra alternatively vote Hero or Polaris, I changed my mind again. That was Day 4 terrible-wagon style too fast. Polaris, 'no one else is [pushing them' isn;t a reason not to look at people, no one is going to push yopur scumread but you
edible is keeping his hammer surprise in storage
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Yes but I didn't have a scumread on my townread, and the only reason why I would reconsider my townreads is if someone else thought they were scum, which nobody did??? Why is this so hard to understand
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Well no I lied, I have other reasons for reconsidering town reads, but none of them showed up in this game so it's unimportant
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I understand the principle of what you're saying but you're also not going to catch many scum if you're waiting for other people to tell you where one might be. At least you clarified, showing you thought about it for more then two seconds.
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Muh. This game.
I'm going to bed. Get your last-minute points in for who you want me to murder. I'll nuke someone sometime before deadline.
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I'm not actually counting modkill requests on yourself, as being modkilled means you lose the game, regardless of what your side does. Since that goes against playing to win (and some people are getting dangerously close to playing in this way regardless), I will not accept such actions.
I will have words in the after-game for those players who have chosen to fuck with the game.
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Gyahahahahaha, I live yet on. Also Shadoweh, when 80% of the players want me dead before the game starts, and that number only goes up as it progresses, I can't really be arsed to give a rat's tail. And that's completely conflicting you voting me, saying as a sign that you expressively want me dead.
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px maybe if you want to stop being a policy lynch you should stop posting once per day until somebody puts you at L-1 every game? Just Saying :)
Amra's still scummy I guess. I'd rather gank Shadoweh though since she's back to coasting. sure this game is basically dead but townie motivation is supposed her thing and she's not really doing much to scumhunt or convince other people to step it up
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I do not fear death, as I have already accepted his EmbrAcE. DEAR ZUUS, BRING YOUR MIGHT UPON RAWR, for He haTh noT poSted fOr a holE day and whiCh ShaLl sorEly bEcomE twO.
##WrathofGod Rawr
If anyone should be mod killed for being a lamer, it's him. Also, deadline timer?
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Also HW, Polaris decided I was a policy lynch D1 before I even posted. Seriously, fuck this.
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well you're the one who's built up your reputation as a good policy kill over a number of games, it's not going to just magically go away if you keep playing the same
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Well Day 2 I went pretty much ignored while day 3 suddenly comes an explosion of hate for me.
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and then huhwhat comes out of left field with a (pretty well made) argument about me being scum, I screw up, and then I got votes all up my grill. but yeah my death is beneficial so I don't mind.
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oh no, I didn't bother checking who died, tried to as a dead person something, and I'm going to get lynched for it. and yes last game I didn't know what a flip was because that terminology makes no sense unless you were like distributed cards for role? still not sure why we can't say 'he was town/scum'
huhwhat: I really have no clue what I'm doing. looking at posts doesn't do anything for me, trying to establish patterns and looking at past games and all that stuff is like ??? for me. so what can I do really? Might as well just offer myself as a sacrifice. If I'm scum, it's cool. If I'm town, then it works out to town benefit that I don't end up as one of the last ones alive making bad reads and wasting space and time. My death is a win/win!
I mean signing up for this game just because it was dota themed was silly. ultimately I'm just the same thing but with a name label.
so ##Vote Amra
love you PX. let's see each other on the other side.
tbh I think this post is town failing which leaves me with like Shadoweh/Edible/rawr assuming I'm not giving Amra a pass to soon. Hero is Hero and Polaris just seems obvtown, can't really explain it since without scumflips I pick up town reads as feelings on the side while reading the thread to find scum. gonna ##Wrath of God: DrRawr
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flailing, not failing, though that's a pretty accurate description too HEH 8)
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also, that puts rawr at L-1 for wrath by my count
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Well, that helps shorten things down.
PX - Idiot Town
Edible - Questionably town?
huh what - YUHatin Town
Rawr - not in this game town
Polaris - Serela scum
Amra - Newbie scum
Hero999 - Kaori scum
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU RUSHING TO WRATH SOMEONE AGAIN AFTER THAT? This is worse then random lynches, it's random vig kills that no one is being held responsible for, and on top of that Rawr wasn't even that bad when he was here before. I think people are getting carried away with the wrath because it's the only votes they can do right now.
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huh what6: Screw you, I am not coasting, I'm trying to figure out what the hell is going on here.
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what're your thoughts on:
- amra's recent flailing
- hero being flonne!town
- polaris in general, i haven't been able to get a grip on your opinions of him today? has your case not really changed since d2?
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I was gonna start watching JoJo's Bizarre Adventure despite never touching anime but my internet will barely even let me post in a mafia game, fuck everything
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Amra's flailing is kill me now plz. Considering the quality of partners left, he might not have someone to tell him what a horrible idea what he's doing is as scum.
Hero is not flonne town and what does that even mean. He's a stupid duck that doesn't have an alignment besides quack.
The only thing I would update on with Polaris is that he's picked up on all the habits of everyone else in posting nonsense and has been pretty much floating on top of what other people say. There's nothing to update the case with when he's literally doing this \o\ waft
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Ok well I think you would be reading them differently if you were town :)
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flonne town means that time he was oracle like two games ago btw
i think his play matches that more than kaori
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WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU RUSHING TO WRATH SOMEONE AGAIN AFTER THAT?
Because town should make use of all options available to it, and both players are more than deserving of a modkill?
I'm still not convinced px is town, either. He's more than capable of doing stupid s*** as scum too. But purely for wrath reasons I'd still rather kill rawr, who has not bothered showing up today despite being online many times.
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rofl I censored shit. Been posting on gamefaqs too often lately. <_<
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PS: About 8 hours remaining.
Rawr is indeed at W-1 for Wrathing.
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zzz
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Nobody?
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Back home from work. Do you want me to wrath rawr before you lynch. I still don't think he's scum but he hasn't posted today so I don't have any real evidence of it I guess. huh what you can eat a hot dog shaped object.
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##WrathOfGod:DrRawr
Basically at the end of the day and he still hasn't posted.
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Back home from work. Do you want me to wrath rawr before you lynch. I still don't think he's scum but he hasn't posted today so I don't have any real evidence of it I guess. huh what you can eat a hot dog shaped object.
I was going to say "yes" but hero beat you to it, thank god.
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Killstealer. In my opinion you should still lynch Amra or Polaris. Since Rawr won't get flipped until the end of day I would wait to see what he comes up as before seeing inf Hero jumped on his partner or not.
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Probably just gonna nuke PX, we can always kill people who actually talk tomorrow. I suppose I still have a couple hours to change my mind.
Calling hero out for potentially jumping on a partner makes me kinda suspicious of you, shadowers. <_< Who in their right mind wouldn't be in favor of getting rawr out of the game at this juncture? Any other game would've had him modkilled for inactivity by now.
except games run by serpentarius where zakeri gets away with not posting for six days or games run by conqueror where hanged hourai gets away with not posting for five T_T
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I'm still not convinced px is town, either. He's more than capable of doing stupid s*** as scum too.
he'd basically have needed to ask bard "can I hammer myself with wrath?". don't really think he'd put that much effort into his final words as scum suiciding
What do you think of Amra btw?
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There are people I wouldn't want modkilled either even if they were absent. It's not like we aren't going to know by the end of the day. I'm saying you shouldn't lynch him before it.
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he'd basically have needed to ask bard "can I hammer myself with wrath?". don't really think he'd put that much effort into his final words as scum suiciding
I don't think he would have asked beforehand either way.
What do you think of Amra btw?
My radar for Amra is all "^_^;" atm so I won't be shooting him today. Too many other people I'd rather shoot anyway.
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Any last words, Shadoweh?
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Yeah, I give up. How the fuck do I even convince someone I'm town if he's not even considering what I'm saying. He hasn't actually said anything about what I've said. Calling it now, Edible Polaris team. Last words? I'm sorry Shadoweh.
Cut. えええええええええ？？？？？
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えええええええええ？？？？？
(http://i.imgur.com/xA5h5nI.jpg)
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PX, did you consider that even if you had some semblance of a point to make in that multi-block-spam post, it would have been lost in the massive pile of nonsense you included and everyone would've discredited it anyway? <_<
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Rawr be dead, please don't post Rawr (lol)
I won't be around for deadline, but please remember: The deadline is final and I will not accept even a minute over! Anyone who posts after deadline will be modkilled. Anyone who posts after hammer will be modkilled, even if it is not declared a hammer by the mod because EDIBLE CAN HAMMER BY HIMSELF THIS IS NOT COMPLICATED SCIENCE PEOPLE! Because that shit seriously has to stop.
You have about TWO HOURS whereupon, on the exact hour, there is deadline. And it will be a dead line.
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Rawr be dead, please don't post Rawr (lol)
:getdown:
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You don't have the Ediballs to make good on that threat. I've laid out my path to Townie victory for you and the fumes from the cleaner assure me that it's a good plan. They also got in my eyes so I can't really read very well.
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Rats, you saw through my cunning plan.
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Who do you think I am, Schezo? <_< PX you don't sound sorry. If you want to convince people just keep trying until they
lynch you are forced to acknowledge your case.
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HAHA JUST KIDDING ##GANK SHADOWEH
I MAY HAVE FAILED IN MAFIA RULE BUT TODAY, I FINISH THE JOB
Also, ##innocent
HAMMER SHUT UP :getdown:
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That's a hammer! As usual, 24 hours for Kingmaker and Scum to make up their minds.
Rawr, playing Broodmother, was struck by lightning before she could make it to her web! Oh yes, God giveth you beatings, and you have lost the game!
Shadoweh, playing Medusa, was ganked by the group!
... Wait a moment... Never mind!
Shadoweh, playing Naga Siren, seemed tired. Everyone helped her to find some rest! Eternal rest, that is.
There is no Graveyard. Do not make one and do not discuss the game outside of this thread.
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Hammer fell right fair and more than enough time passed! Let's not stall here, and start the day with gusto!
Edible, playing Lycanthrope was torn to shreds in the night! Had, somehow, someone, snuck up on poor jungling Edible? The cry for help was too late!
Instilled with the power to cry VENGEANCE, your King for the Day is Huh Whatty, who may ##GANK: someone before 48 hours are up for frue justice.
Day has 48 hours and you guys need three WOGs to send someone to eternal damnation.
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##Vote: Amra i don't know anymore.
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Amra is too derp to be scum.
At this point, it's between Hero, Polaris, and Huh What, and of those 3, I think Polaris is the most likely to be scum.
##Vote Polaris
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Amra is obvtown given Shadoweh interactions
I think it's Polly or PX. Polly because Shadoweh didn't treat her case on him like a legit push and just kind of dropped him D3 despite claiming to hate him for no real reason. PX is really just a feeling due to Edible dying over me after making the "PX could do that as scum remark", but ehhh I still believe PX's outburst is town and that Polly is a lot more likely. Hero is the wildcard but as is I really don't feel he's the scum.
Also, we shouldn't use WoG today obviously.
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if anybody wants to explain why amra is scum or why hero isn't just town fucking with us then i'm open to it but shadoweh's amra vote yesterday does not look like a bus, at all
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also shadoweh's interactions with px should make me lean town on him but the vote on him seems really out-of-place based on her reaction to his fakedeath
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Looking at ED1 and ED2 interactions and generally revisiting townvibes from him I'm not entirely convinced it's Polaris either.
Maybe it really is Hero.
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lol nevermind it's not hero due to shadoweh WoGing him
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I dunno I think hero is town. Shadoweh could be buddies with either amra/px but px's mental breakdown makes me think he's not scum, just insane. Amra's "hey you know what I suck kill me now" could very well be scum-motivated reverse psychology >_> although interpreting it like that could be a result of confirmation bias. Shadoweh voted Amra after edible mentioned "Amra's leading in votes" in response to who he was considering for gank choices, so I can see the potential bus happening?
will post again
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:( I wish Conq was alive, the only real reason I wanted to play in this game was to make a post saying "hero vigs suck" - conqueror, 2013 - 2013 as soon as the day started and then shoot him regardless of my alignment but I replaced in too late.
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Amra's "hey you know what I suck kill me now" could very well be scum-motivated reverse psychology >_>
the way shadoweh treated it read like her struggling to justify lynching him in spite of it though
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I think I might have been thinking too hard about this, since Shadoweh's reactions to Amra really only show that Shadoweh was scum in retrospect, and does not reflect Amra's alignment at all. bleargh
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ok I don't know anymore. amra makes the most sense in my mind. huh what it is up to you.
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I feel like turboing this. PX, post last words.
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So...like...who knows how many scum(s) there are?
Did Bard state if the game will enter LyLo?
I suppose you can infer there is 1 scum left...but...nevermind.
Polaris is most suspicious in my eyes however.
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Bard said he would announce mylo/lylo. Since nothing's announced we can safely assume 2 scum :L
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Polaris is most suspicious in my eyes however.
Why?
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hero, make a post containing each player and explain whether you think they're town or scum, and why
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Personally the idea of me being buddies with Shadoweh seems ridiculous to me `_` but ymmv
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This has nothing to do with me reading you even I just want people to stop thinking being deadweight is OK
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I feel like turboing this. PX, post last words.
should I take this to mean that you've reached a decision :x
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Ugh, D1 and D2 interactions.... However, remember the point where Shadoweh only made the Polaris case to appeal to Conq to get him off her, and immediately dropping it for the longest time. And even when brought back up late D3, she never really tried to push it..... At this point, I can only see it being him or you, and you can't die today so it's Polaris.
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On top of this, Polaris has never really been under pressure until now, and he hasn't really said much until now as well.
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not really but I was gonna ragegank PX if he lurked out the day again
everyone should do what hero is doing, for the people i think are town it's useful if they make a point i didn't think of and for the people i think are viable lynches it helps me read them
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sorry, what hero SHOULD be doing
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fuck i am tempted to break the edit rule rn
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re: px: I don't think that really shows that I'm scum with Shadoweh; rather it's more like Shadoweh isn't pushing her cases at all because she's scum. also I'm not sure what you mean by "hasn't said much"??
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re huhwhat: all right
huhwhat - town because he's awesome, also bt vs. shadoweh would never have happened on d1 if they were buddies.
hero999 - like huhwhat said shadoweh had intentions to wrath of god hero, so it doesn't seem too likely that they're scum together. hero might be trying harder to not stand out if he were scum, maybe? I have a feeling he's town.
px - px could be scum with shadoweh based solely on interactions alone but I don't see why px would make such a big effortpost as scum if he intended to commit suicide. mixed feelings but probably more anti-town than scum.
amra - tbh I'm only ending up with scum!amra via process of elimination, but amra does seem scummy with the whole not having any opinions thing. I have no idea what to make of his "oh no pls kill me" thing but that sure wasn't the reaction I had when I was newbtown that made a mistake. although I guess I can't apply my own thought process onto amra? `_` I really don't see how amra can be cleared so easily as obvtown?
huhwhat you should do the same thing I guess, or at least try and convince me why amra is obvtown
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Bard said he would announce mylo/lylo. Since nothing's announced we can safely assume 2 scum :L
4. PX
6. BT Huh Whatty
7. Polaris
10. Amra
11. Hero999
...I see 5 people here. If there are 2 scums then its LyLo.
I'm unsure if that was you being derp, or you scum-slipping.
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2 scum total. 1 scum left. you are the one being derp.
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addendum: you are additionally being derp for not responding to huh what's request >_>
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2 scum total. 1 scum left. you are the one being derp.
Oh, so that was what you meant.
Polaris - Waffly, and flies from one thing to another. He had no trust in his own list of lynchees. The Shadoweh attack on him that was quickly forgotten, and left to dust.
Amra - ...gave up? considers himself useless to town, therefore...disappears.
PX - IMBA SUPER INSANITY SUPREME post thingy. While long in a way also feels like he is trolling. Considering his situation, it actually feels like what PX attempted it to be. An immediate end. Can't confirm the alignment.
HuhWhat - ??? Assistant Shepard to Conq.
addendum: you are additionally being derp for not responding to huh what's request >_>
Funny, I saw something I found weird, and wanted to get it out first.
Aren't you such a shining star of opinions?~
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hero, make a post containing each player and explain whether you think they're town or scum, and why
so are you going to actually do that
Also it would be nice if you could give examples of me waffling or flying from one thing to another?
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Amra, get in here and do the same thing. Doubling Polaris' request on hero.
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I want to reiterate that I don't really think that hero is scum, just that I wish we could kill him anyway for his bad play.
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I voted IHNN because you guys were talking about nobody voting him, and I thought someone would mention it but nobody cared enough?
I voted Conq because he was there. `_`
Mhm, This was earlier in the game, so while it wasn't so serious then, it sure looks weird now.
Voting IHNN, to test the waters?
Voting Conq for...being there...?
......i don't really know ??? i just ended up thinking "hey maybe her case on me is bad because she is scum and not because she made a bad case" and i'm not exactly sure what to think :derp:
If this is not waffling I don't even...
i mean, from a logical standpoint dormio/hero/rawr/px/amra are all in the same general area so when i started off with dormio/hero/rawr, i figured "eh i guess px/amra should go here too" but like i said it was more of an afterthought.
i never really understood the whole setting up lynches argument and i don't really know if it works out in the kingmaker environment `_`
gosh you lurkers, thanks for posting when i'm trying to ignore mafia to work on an assignment
Expanding scumspects...list as afterthoughts...
I want to reiterate that I don't really think that hero is scum, just that I wish we could kill him anyway for his bad play.
...Real smooth dude. Probably something else I should say here...but Bleh.
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hero how does any of that make me scum
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actually you haven't even said if I'm scum or not >_>
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I want to reiterate that I don't really think that hero is scum, just that I wish we could kill him anyway for his bad play.
I... Actually kind of agree with you here. I don't really think he's scum, but he's currently a wildcard in all this madness, and giving both the scum and the kingmaker another decision could help. But I'd still prefer you dead.
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i still think hero is obvtown from the WoG
i'll post my own thoughts when it's closer to lynchtime and we've heard from amra
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I want to say I gave up but w/e.
could someone explain to me why Hero is obvtown? I'm not quite sure I understand. actually I'm very sure I don't understand. wait, I get it. Shadoweh was trying to WoG hero hard.
but let's go
PX: originally I thought he was scum because of what everyone else was saying, but now I dunno. policy lynching him from what I read in the middle of the thread is like blegh? I don't understand how policy lynching is ever a good thing. besidies lurking he hasn't really done anything that stood out as scummy to me. I can see him doing the insanity post just cause tho.
polaris: case in point with the waffling, the hit list from way back. he said rawr and I are just after thoughts to the hit list and waved it off. then he mentioned the kingmaker thing as an excuse, which is similar to what dormio did. shadoweh also agreed with polaris literally five minutes after #304 with a succint, well structured response, which imo is way too fast but who knows with you guys. then he starts off the day with a vote on me, which is an easy kill that would've brought us to something-lo. scum.
huhwhat: town. he's spurring on useful conversation that actually made hero and I talk, so I'll go with him. looking back the interactions between BT and Shadoweh were sorta impossible or beautifully orchestrated if they were buddies.
hero: after reading his stuff town. shadoweh was also trying to nuke him.
##Vote Polaris
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Is that the best you can do, amra :v
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p much.
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About 24 hours are lost to the Radiance, so you're about halfway. Needs more blood.
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preoccupied with other things today, but my thoughts are something along the lines of
Hero999 - Shadoweh's WoG on him reads opportunistic removal of a townie and his play reads more VI-town than Kaori-scum. Probably town.
Amra - Shadoweh bussing him instead of continuing to push Polly D3 or trying to get Edible to gank PX doesn't really make sense imo given that she was the second most likely option at that point. Also think Shadoweh's handwaving of Amra's flailing (which I still believe is townflailing) also looks like her trying too hard to justify a mislynch. Probably town.
PX - Unimpressed by everything from him except the "suicide" which I'm not even taking at face value at this point due to Edible wanting to lynch him anyway then getting shot over me last night. I question why Shadoweh would drop a useless pressure vote on town!PX but not WoG him or try to press him further. It's not implausible but given how willing Shadoweh was to WoG Hero it strikes me as suspicious. I also find it weird he's pushing me as a legitimate target at this point unless he needs a second mislynch and would look weird going for Amra, since I'm the towniest player alive 4 real.
Polaris - Scummiest player by association with Shadoweh given how she handled her case on him. Pushing Amra as soon as Edible claimed disinterest in ganking Polly makes sense if she didn't want her buddy lynched. I thought the D1 - D2 interactions looked pretty town but I'm realizing it was the only "real" case Shadoweh had all game and may only look legit due to a serious case of confirmation bias. Nothing really new here other than that.
Basically everybody finds Polly scummy; he should post last words (for real this time). Might gank tonight if I'm not busy with non-mafia since discussion is stagnant as usual.
Literally nobody alive except for me talked about Shadoweh instead of the other way around which is really annoying as far as looking for associative tells goes. I mean, man.
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w/e if I'm still alive at LYLO then I'll pretty much be autoganked so I may as well die today, especially if huh what is not going to lynch scum Amra. I hope all of you realize how much confirmation bias your cases had when I flip town >_>
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Also don't gank me yet I still want to post a bit more
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scum Amra
I'm only ending up with scum!amra via process of elimination
?????
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why are you PoEing PX by the way
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the latest post was super bad and scummy and I'm posting why now >:<
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I said earlier that PX's mental breakdown was less scum and more anti-town >_>
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Amra is literally OMGUSing me and backing up his vote by rehashing everyone else's cases on me and also including a lot of irrelevant information. Such as:
then he mentioned the kingmaker thing as an excuse, which is similar to what dormio did.
Dormio was town, so clearly I am scum because I can be compared to Dormio. ???
shadoweh also agreed with polaris literally five minutes after #304 with a succint, well structured response, which imo is way too fast but who knows with you guys.
Yes Shadoweh having the superhuman ability to post at the speed of light is somehow relevant to me being scum.
Amra brings up waffling, and I don't know if he even knows what waffling means, but he's obviously just restating what Hero said about me >_> The whole lynch list thing from way back is suddenly scummy again, after he said earlier that my explanation made sense. It looks like he decided that I was scum first and is just cherry picking whatever works to support the argument. I don't think town!Amra would suddenly come in with a totally certain and unquestionable scumread on me. Plus all his town reads are recycled material?see the bt vs. shadoweh point about huhwhat that I obviously brought up first. If he actually was town with town reads then I don't see why he would need to fake them, but if he was scum and he knew everyone else was town then he wouldn't have "townreads" per se, so it makes more sense why he is recycling everyone else's points to make it look as if he had an opinion.
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imo tells based on flips are more useful for reading newbies than their actions alone, so
Shadoweh bussing him instead of continuing to push Polly D3 or trying to get Edible to gank PX doesn't really make sense imo given that she was the second most likely option at that point.
why do you think shadoweh would have done this as amra's buddy?
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iunno? maybe amra isn't scum after all?
^ assuming I'm dying anyway, may as well second-guess myself
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maybe hero is scum after all.
##WrathOfGod: Hero999
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You're not actually dead yet; I thought you were town when I made that post (don't expect the scum reaction to votes in this situation to be "I don't know who's scummy but this guy isn't that townie" then pray for survival) and was hoping your reactions would re-enforce this so I could just gank PX but now you're not making this easy for me. If you're dying and not scum then shouldn't you be trying to combat defenses for scum-Amra (or Hero, whatever) so that town doesn't lose tomorrow due to closed-mindedness?
I am at least seriously considering Amra now but I'm just not convinced Shadoweh would attack her buddy like that over town!you in context.
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I personally don't think "shadoweh choosing not to push me" is really an association tell and more just a solo scumtell for Shadoweh herself :L
maybe Shadoweh saw that Amra gave up and decided to bus him for towncred?
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Shadoweh dropping her case is really just telling of the fact that she was never serious about my case to begin with, because she was scum. If Shadoweh saw Amra giving up and that he would be ganked, it makes sense for her to try and distance herself.
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Honestly if Shadoweh and I were buddies then I'm pretty sure she wouldn't certify me as
the One True Choice for today.
all the way back in D1.
we'd been squabbling over the whole lynch list thing since I started it, too, which was the whole reason why I made that post saying the whole idea of me and shadoweh being buddies is ridiculous to me, and I'm sure Shadoweh finds it ridiculous too from beyond the grave.
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Hmm yeah I guess that's possible since Edible didn't indicate the flailing swayed him one way or another and the only person to white-knight Amra when Shadoweh made her vote (PX) was somebody who already thought Amra was town before. I am still kinda leaning town on the flailing itself though.
Want to hear from PX.
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Honestly if Shadoweh and I were buddies then I'm pretty sure she wouldn't certify me asall the way back in D1.
we'd been squabbling over the whole lynch list thing since I started it, too, which was the whole reason why I made that post saying the whole idea of me and shadoweh being buddies is ridiculous to me, and I'm sure Shadoweh finds it ridiculous too from beyond the grave.
But that was way back 24 hours into Day 1, when things still weren't being taken seriously. And then Dan goes and ends the day early anyways so it could have been light pecking and distancing for the future.
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Also, Amra is town. How would scum, especially new!scum, possibly forget who they NK'd?
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As far as Hero goes, I just see him as Idiot Town. PoE brings it down to between you two. And I find Polaris the scummier one.
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Also, Amra is town. How would scum, especially new!scum, possibly forget who they NK'd?
from what i gather he did this last game and people assumed he was town for it? this kind of ruins the tell, i haven't actually checked myself though
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oh that would explain why he was quiet. :3
^ this post looks like he was faking the whole "not knowing who died" thing honestly.
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I mean the whole thing is just a big bundle of wifom. PX, do you have additional reasons for Amra being town outside of that?
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unless I personally realized how scummy it looks when I do the absolute same thing as I did last game and lampshade it.
we could go into several layers of yomi here but ultimately it's your own interpretation. Feel free to believe it or not. I know how fake it looks.
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Amra, PX, what're your takes on Polaris' recent content?
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pls respond
I would like to gank tonight if possible; dunno if I'll be around at deadline.
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I would also like huh what to gank tonight if possible
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Amra, PX, what're your takes on Polaris' recent content?
(http://www.shrinemaiden.org/images/avatars/avatar_888_1338870312.png)
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yeah it reads like town serela to me too
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you guys lost me
he seems like he's just fishing for stuff to say at this point, and he's really latching on to the whole 'amra's trying to make the same play as last time' thing. still gonna stick with my vote.
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Do you really think I'm latching on to that
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Gonna gank somebody in an hour.
Get out last thoughts, comments, opinions, etc.
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No like what exactly am I latching onto again? If it's the "Amra doesn't know who died" then I only talked about it after PX brought it up, and all I really said that it isn't as obvtown as PX makes it out to be.
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I thought that would at least stimulate more discussion. Whatever.
##Gank: PX
Pretty sure this is gg but if I'm wrong it's probably Amra over Polly. I've decided that even though Shadoweh's attacks on Polly faded over time they started too strong too early to be a bus. Plus, his play from early today reads town and now he's making a lot of solid points. Amra's recent responses boil down to handwaving everything Polaris says, his Polaris attacks today hasn't really gone in-depth beyond other people's cases at all and his play in general has been scummy if you take the flailing from D3 as null.
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Hammer!
PX, playing Shadow Fiend, the Kingmaker, was ganked during the day!
Night falls, and 24 hours are available for your night actions! A new Kingmaker is randomly picked from the Town.
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It is now Day 5!
During the night, Hero999, playing Venomancer, was mercilessly murdered in the night.
IT IS NOW LYLO! You have 48 hours to ##GANK. Your king of the gank is Huh Whatty!
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Huh Whatty is Scum! The mod will assume Huh Whatty will not murder himself, and therefore awards the win to Scum.
SCUM WIN, TOWN LOSE, GGWP.
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WTB SCUM PARTNER WHO WILL NOT IMMEDIATELY BUS ME IN THEIR FIRST POST
APPLICANTS MAY POST IN MY WEATHER QT WITHIN
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gg.
My apologies for my lack of posting D1 and early D2.
I was kind of busy then and didn't have as much time to read the topic as I would have liked. Oh well.
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Nice surprise gank on the one person who suspected you. And the only person who had a choice in the matter. : GG
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Okay so maybe I didn't make a Weather QT but we did have this at least: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/mrT8xpAu8BXf
PX: So uh why did you make huh what king anyways >.>
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Because no way in hell was I making Hero/Amra the King. Second, out of Edible, Polaris, and Huh What, I thought Huh What was least likely to be scum. And then D4 happened and he moved to being the only choice for scum. :\
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Okay so maybe I didn't make a Weather QT but we did have this at least: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/mrT8xpAu8BXf
If you did make one, you'd be wise not to tell me, because I was going to modkill everyone in any alternate sort of Graveyard and they would lose the game retroactively.
I think the game ran fine. I had choice words for Hero and PX, the former who didn't play to begin with (seriously, the fuck was with that?) and the latter who pulled the all-lame "Let's get myself killed because RAEG at L-1", but honestly it's getting tiresome to even care about MOTK Mafiers attitudes.
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yeahhhhh town got rekt, gg
d4 i didn't really have to think too much about what i posted because at that point the only person i really thought would call me out on anything was px and i was probably going to gank him anyway
thanks for the birds, though, edible!
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Unfortunately I was too busy moving to get every single dead person modkilled. Which is a shame because with those deaths we would have made a bitchin GY. Having read the games before GY QT's were a thing, I'm pretty sure bad rage posts are not going to go away without a graveyard to post it in.
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Pretty sure this is gg
ffff
gg wp
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GG
Kind of assumed I wrecked my own slot with the early Shadoweh push but I guess not??
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>_>
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wao
Good job hw, you certainly saved your slot.
Boy it really would have been nice if half the game showed up to play :v
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So remind me again why people sign up for games when they're not going to play?
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thanks for the birds, though, edible!
No prob :>
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So remind me again why people sign up for games when they're not going to play?
Maybe they think that's what DOTA is.
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Maybe they think that's what DOTA is.
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So remind me again why people sign up for games when they're not going to play?
They hope they get a pretty cool role and then realise scum hunting SUCKS!
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Well at least I can take comfort in the fact that there was a zero percent chance of getting a scum lynch on D4 :derp:
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They hope they get a pretty cool role and then realise scum hunting SUCKS!
from what i gather this is actually a pretty concise shadoweh flowchart (http://i.imgur.com/2F6NXJX.gif)