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Title: Art tips thread!
Post by: Teewee on October 02, 2011, 03:42:19 PM
Post here to ask for tips on how to draw stuff. I myself have been having trouble drawing stuff, so I figured why not make a thread where people can ask for help? :P

I've been trying to draw character outfits to get their basic layouts (so I can design my own), and I started with hinanai tenshi's. I'm having trouble drawing the collar folds, though, like in this image. (booru) (http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=300741)
I just don't know how drawing that sort of thing works. Could someone please give me tips on that? If you don't know what I mean, I can show a picture edit with an arrow pointing at it.

I'd appreciate any advice! ^_^
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on October 03, 2011, 09:29:24 PM
I like the idea of this thread, it's like a giant tutorial.

If you give us a picture edit pointing arrow thing, I would be happy to help you, of course, I might not be the best person to get information from but we can try :3
Of course, drawing folds will differ from person to person with style anyway :P
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: J.O.B on October 04, 2011, 12:40:27 AM
I think when it comes to drawing collar folds like that, I do it my way. But I can explain it in not my way.
I guess it's like doing a capital M. Then you put lines coming off from the 4 corners of the M (not counting middle), but these lines should curve around the neck (not too close).
That should be the basic way to do it I think. Try it for yourself and see if it works. Also, if you're going to put something in front of it then just rub it out.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: pineyappled on October 04, 2011, 02:15:00 AM
Collars are a pain. I just stick big-ass ribbons in front of them and hide it like that. but don't do that seriously it looks terrible
If you just started drawing, maybe you should get one of those jointed wood things. They help a lot with anatomy and poses. They're not terribly expensive, either.


I've got a question of my own- When did you all start drawing and why? I was because I had some weird infatuation with Cardcaptor Sakura back when I was in fourth grade.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: J.O.B on October 04, 2011, 02:21:07 AM
I started drawing maybe about two years ago. I think I started because I was kinda good despite not having practice. Though looking back I really lolsucked.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: DX7.EP on October 04, 2011, 02:30:25 AM
If you just started drawing, maybe you should get one of those jointed wood things. They help a lot with anatomy and poses. They're not terribly expensive, either.
They're manikins. I HIGHLY recommend getting one for body and one for the hand. Works wonders.

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I've got a question of my own- When did you all start drawing and why? I was because I had some weird infatuation with Cardcaptor Sakura back when I was in fourth grade.
I started drawing at first around 2004 amid an interest in manga-style, and thus I started learning that, sketching from various game manuals and JUMP issues at first. Now, however, I take in more aspects from Western cartooning, as well as traditional art practices and basic design tenets (going for substance over style here - too many illustrations online are all style).

The result is something that is mixed western and eastern styles - people of one region tend to call my work as being in the other's style.

Though looking back I really lolsucked.
We all say that for our past works. :V

For collar folds, I tend to use more of a U-style design to better follow the neck contour.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on October 04, 2011, 10:04:31 AM
I started drawing dragons because I loved dragons and I drew nothing else but dragons and Godzilla since I was 5 (I'm 17 now lol). I only started drawing manga style two years ago because I watched Higurashi and thought it was epic.

Here's my question: If listening to music whilst drawing, what sort of music do you mainly listen to? For me it's usually remixes of Touhou tracks or Umineko music :V
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: DX7.EP on October 04, 2011, 10:37:35 AM
Here's my question: If listening to music whilst drawing, what sort of music do you mainly listen to?
Whatever song fits my intended product's tone or mood, though often I ignore this and just play some Guilty Gear, BlazBlue, or Touhou metal arrange.

However, since I tend to compose as well, I usually don't listen to other music when drawing. I can add that in later.

Speaking of music, how about extending this thread to assist fellow musicians. composers, and remixers?

 - In the drafting phase, I find it preferable to work in mono. Yes, it is surprisingly possible to pan in mono, but the idea here is to better assist with the mixing and balancing with other parts.
 - It is advisable to, when starting from scratch, just lay down the initial notes first then change instrumentation, effects, whatever. At least then you don't forget what you wanted to write whilst tweaking!
 - Speaking of fresh starts, writing songs is a bit easier when starting with the general chord progressions.
 - As a Logic user, remember that EVB3 (the organ synth) only responds on MIDI channels 1-3. Why that is the case, I will never know.

My question to the music crew: what got you to start playing/composing/remixing? For me, it was violin experience combined with a growing discontent for playing just what was written on the musical score and a like for game music.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: J.O.B on October 04, 2011, 10:43:12 AM
Here's my question: If listening to music whilst drawing, what sort of music do you mainly listen to? For me it's usually remixes of Touhou tracks or Umineko music :V
I usually listen to normal Touhou music.

Also, I've been trying to make some songs but I just don't really know what to make or what sounds good. Any help for that?
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: DX7.EP on October 04, 2011, 11:34:35 AM
Also, I've been trying to make some songs but I just don't really know what to make or what sounds good. Any help for that?
Start playing random notes on a keyboard (which type, well, depends on your setup) and something may come up.

A little alcohol also helps. :V
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on October 04, 2011, 11:58:56 AM
A little alcohol also helps. :V

I think this is excellent advice, and from past experience I have found it to aid in any endeavor undertaken.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: J.O.B on October 04, 2011, 12:30:27 PM
I'm not exactly the drinking type :V
The thing is, I just don't know what to do. Sometimes I don't feel any inspiration or anything like that, and so I end up with nothing at all.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Bias Bus on October 04, 2011, 01:01:00 PM
I've got a question of my own- When did you all start drawing and why? I was because I had some weird infatuation with Cardcaptor Sakura back when I was in fourth grade.
I've been drawing since I was 4 years old (my dad taught me how to draw shapes and I went my own way with it from there), but I never started seriously until I got into High School. I never really had much of a reason when I was younger it was really just a way to pass the time and have fun with my creativity.

After I decided I wanted to use what art skills I had for a possible career, I decided to get serious and actually try to draw something.

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Here's my question: If listening to music whilst drawing, what sort of music do you mainly listen to? For me it's usually remixes of Touhou tracks or Umineko music
Anything that's in my recent favorites, or whatever track gave me an idea to draw. This could be any track from any game or artist, so it's hard to say which ones I listen to the most for drawing.

As for me, I don't really have alot of pointers (I'm still learning myself, actually), unless you want to know how to draw plump characters :T
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Pandafaust on October 05, 2011, 09:30:03 PM
Can somebody please direct me to a tutorial of drawing hands? i have loads of trouble with huge/tiny fingers!
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on October 05, 2011, 09:39:53 PM
Can somebody please direct me to a tutorial of drawing hands? i have loads of trouble with huge/tiny fingers!

Here's (http://odduckoasis.deviantart.com/art/Hands-Tutorial-23565813) a nice basic one to get you started (deviantart link), it helped me a little bit back when I was starting so it should be good for you if you're after proportion.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Pandafaust on October 05, 2011, 10:00:31 PM
Thanks! I will definitely be using this. :3
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Teewee on October 05, 2011, 11:53:11 PM
I like the idea of this thread, it's like a giant tutorial.

If you give us a picture edit pointing arrow thing, I would be happy to help you, of course, I might not be the best person to get information from but we can try :3
Of course, drawing folds will differ from person to person with style anyway :P

I'll take a picture sometime and show it :)

I think when it comes to drawing collar folds like that, I do it my way. But I can explain it in not my way.
I guess it's like doing a capital M. Then you put lines coming off from the 4 corners of the M (not counting middle), but these lines should curve around the neck (not too close).
That should be the basic way to do it I think. Try it for yourself and see if it works. Also, if you're going to put something in front of it then just rub it out.

I'll try that out sometime. Thanks ^_^

Collars are a pain. I just stick big-ass ribbons in front of them and hide it like that. but don't do that seriously it looks terrible
If you just started drawing, maybe you should get one of those jointed wood things. They help a lot with anatomy and poses. They're not terribly expensive, either.

I've been drawing for two years :V and I can't even afford the 10$ art class fee, so yeah ^^;

Speaking of music, how about extending this thread to assist fellow musicians. composers, and remixers?

Sounds nice. Though its probably better to have that in its own thread, so those who just want to improve on drawing don't have to look through so many posts to find what they're looking for.

About music I listen to when drawing, I use instrumentals. Eases the pain of frustration of failure a tiny bit, an issue thats been plaguing me since I started drawing. I've been in a terrible psychological state many years ago that persists even now, so I guess that I'll become a much better artist after learning to be often relaxed, control my sense of humor, and not be so negatively crazy.

So, I guess "try being in a good psychological state while drawing" counts as a tip. Though it'll take me a heck of a long time to fully use it >>;

Edit: whoops, I guess I went on a tangent there. Please ignore that "psychological state" stuff hehe
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Desu_Cake on October 06, 2011, 12:34:42 PM
Anyone got tips on drawing feet? They're my weak point.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Doyora on October 09, 2011, 01:56:46 AM
Anyone got tips on drawing feet? They're my weak point.

you could try looking at your own feet. getting a mirror will help with the bits you can't easily see

unless you're a double leg amputee in which case sorry
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Suikama on October 09, 2011, 01:59:22 AM
oh hey look who it is
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Doyora on October 09, 2011, 02:03:47 AM
sup


you're like a stalker btw
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Suikama on October 09, 2011, 03:13:14 AM
sup


you're like a stalker btw
haha what no way man


oh yeah i have your mail if you want it btw
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Teewee on October 09, 2011, 10:52:48 AM
Please don't derail the thread, guys :(

And I got something else I need help with. I want to trace pictures with my tablet, but I don't know to with SAI. I know I open up the image, but how do I set it up for tracing? I can't trace with real paper, and I could use some more practice with my tablet.

I could also use some tips with drawing symmetrically.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: J.O.B on October 09, 2011, 11:12:00 AM
You can trace pics by opening up a lineart layer above the picture and then setting the opacity of the picture lower than %100. The opacity is near the layer settings in the top left corner.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on October 09, 2011, 02:56:19 PM
I could also use some tips with drawing symmetrically.

It depends what you want to draw symmetrically, if it's faces, there are a ton of guides showing you how to use guidelines and circles to correctly proportion your image. Another thing that helps is to flip the canvas horizontally (if drawing digitally, in SAI I believe this can be achieved by pressing the "H" key.) Or by turning the picture over and holding the image up to the light, generally, this will enable you to easily see any mistakes you have made which you can then rectify.

TL;DR
Flip canvas thus highlighting mistakes.
Fix errors.
???
PROFIT
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Teewee on October 09, 2011, 03:52:49 PM
You can trace pics by opening up a lineart layer above the picture and then setting the opacity of the picture lower than %100. The opacity is near the layer settings in the top left corner.
I'll try it. Thanks.

It depends what you want to draw symmetrically, if it's faces, there are a ton of guides showing you how to use guidelines and circles to correctly proportion your image. Another thing that helps is to flip the canvas horizontally (if drawing digitally, in SAI I believe this can be achieved by pressing the "H" key.) Or by turning the picture over and holding the image up to the light, generally, this will enable you to easily see any mistakes you have made which you can then rectify.

TL;DR
Flip canvas thus highlighting mistakes.
Fix errors.
???
PROFIT

I'll try that out. Thanks.

Another issue I've been having with drawing is that I can't seem to make any progress, despite being at it for well over 2 years. Any ideas on how to go about it so I can improve? I think its because I've been going about it the wrong way, since what I can draw even vaguely correctly is very little for all the time I've been practicing consistently. Its unfair :/

I also need to know how to relax and not get frustrated over mistakes. For some reason, despite knowing that making mistakes is perfectly human, I'm always so tense when drawing. And when I am relaxed, I'm to intimidated by drawing to take the opportunity to do it there. And even then, drawing just takes my good mood away. Music rarely helps.
This is my biggest issue. I'd really appreciate advice so I can get rid of it, since the way it is now drawin,g feels like a freakin' chore and no books I've picked up seem to be any help in this regard. The only real use I got from a book is Ken Okabayashi's How to Draw Manga book is as a reference on some things. Nothing that really relaxes me.


....er, sorry for the melodrama. I just haven't been feeling very well lately >_<
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Doyora on October 09, 2011, 09:23:29 PM
Another issue I've been having with drawing is that I can't seem to make any progress, despite being at it for well over 2 years. Any ideas on how to go about it so I can improve? I think its because I've been going about it the wrong way, since what I can draw even vaguely correctly is very little for all the time I've been practicing consistently. Its unfair :/

I also need to know how to relax and not get frustrated over mistakes. For some reason, despite knowing that making mistakes is perfectly human, I'm always so tense when drawing. And when I am relaxed, I'm to intimidated by drawing to take the opportunity to do it there. And even then, drawing just takes my good mood away. Music rarely helps.
This is my biggest issue. I'd really appreciate advice so I can get rid of it, since the way it is now drawin,g feels like a freakin' chore and no books I've picked up seem to be any help in this regard. The only real use I got from a book is Ken Okabayashi's How to Draw Manga book is as a reference on some things. Nothing that really relaxes me.

how interested are you in actualy improving your art? is it just something you do for fun because you cant think of anything better, or is it something you'd make a serious commitment to?

I can try and give you advice but it's hard to point out what you could improve without seeing any of your art (and I cant find any when i searched your posts)
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Ragathol on October 09, 2011, 09:34:21 PM
Collar
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Ragathol on October 09, 2011, 09:56:37 PM
Some pointers on feet
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on October 09, 2011, 10:05:25 PM
^ Appreciated, although you didn't have to double post :3
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Ragathol on October 09, 2011, 10:13:04 PM
The forum only lets me post one image attachment, otherwise it bugs out. But I'll try to keep from that.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on October 09, 2011, 10:19:55 PM
Ah sorry, I didn't realise.

Someone, anyone, please aid me with frills! I suck at drawing them consistently.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Ragathol on October 09, 2011, 10:56:13 PM
Incidentally, I have some of those...
Some folds and stuff too, disregard Sakuya, this was a help drawing for someone.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: KrackoCloud on October 10, 2011, 03:10:07 AM
I'm not exactly a part of this, but man, Ragathol! These pictures are amazingly helpful!
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: DX7.EP on October 10, 2011, 04:42:04 AM
Sounds nice. Though its probably better to have that in its own thread, so those who just want to improve on drawing don't have to look through so many posts to find what they're looking for.
Done! (mostly for the musicians so they don't have to sift through all these drawing posts)

Incidentally, I have some of those...
Some folds and stuff too, disregard Sakuya, this was a help drawing for someone.
Your tutorial pics are damn nice. I'm printing a copy of them for my own illustration endeavours!

The forum only lets me post one image attachment, otherwise it bugs out. But I'll try to keep from that.
Quite odd....
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: pineyappled on October 10, 2011, 04:44:46 AM
Tespeon and EP, do you upload your art anywhere?
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Bias Bus on October 10, 2011, 01:26:53 PM
Incidentally, I have some of those...
Some folds and stuff too, disregard Sakuya, this was a help drawing for someone.
This right here is going to be a great help in getting me to drawing frills right.

Because fuck those things. They are the devil, but every Touhou has them so I gotta learn sometime. In anycase, thanks for postin' this.

Hory sheet, and the others too!
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: ♛ Apher-Forte on October 10, 2011, 02:55:22 PM
you could try looking at your own feet. getting a mirror will help with the bits you can't easily see

unless you're a double leg amputee in which case sorry

oh hey aroyoD how you doing
are you really the same Doyora? or are you one of the poosh clones they send to infiltrate us?>

Ah sorry, I didn't realise.

Someone, anyone, please aid me with frills! I suck at drawing them consistently.

I think I can help, in words...

My way to drawing frills is easy, I draw the skirt first, and add frills to the unfinished bottom.
My mainstay is that frills should be natural, or overly pleated... so far my art seem to lean to the latter, my frills are apparently all pleated and I basically zig-zag along the underline and create two zig zag strips, this way you are looking at one frilly line which is (outside), and the other which is (inside), now you erase the parts you don't want and keep the parts you want. You frills would look much more... frilly if you connect between these two in selected spaces, so to make it look like the frill is folded upward and downwards, naturally...
filling the colors for the frills however can be hell if you do too much of it.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on October 10, 2011, 03:08:47 PM
I think I can help, in words...

My way to drawing frills is easy, I draw the skirt first, and add frills to the unfinished bottom.
My mainstay is that frills should be natural, or overly pleated... so far my art seem to lean to the latter, my frills are apparently all pleated and I basically zig-zag along the underline and create two zig zag strips, this way you are looking at one frilly line which is (outside), and the other which is (inside), now you erase the parts you don't want and keep the parts you want. You frills would look much more... frilly if you connect between these two in selected spaces, so to make it look like the frill is folded upward and downwards, naturally...
filling the colors for the frills however can be hell if you do too much of it.

Oh wow, never thought of doing it that way, thanks a bunch!
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Teewee on October 10, 2011, 07:37:20 PM
Tespeon and EP, do you upload your art anywhere?
I upload it to imageshack.

how interested are you in actualy improving your art? is it just something you do for fun because you cant think of anything better, or is it something you'd make a serious commitment to?

I can try and give you advice but it's hard to point out what you could improve without seeing any of your art (and I cant find any when i searched your posts)
Its something I'd make a serious commitment to, due to various personal reasons. Its also something I'd like to enjoy as a hobby, so I can have fun without any electronics. And silly me for not showing my art earlier for feedback, hehe ^^;
I'll show some of my art when I redraw it on tablet, since my camera quality isn't so good. Though I do have these old pictures of my old sketches I took with the (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/16/atsukoside.png/) camera (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/atsukoshaded.png/).
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: noodles on October 10, 2011, 09:07:43 PM
I started drawing dragons because I loved dragons and I drew nothing else but dragons and Godzilla since I was 5 (I'm 17 now lol). I only started drawing manga style two years ago because I watched Higurashi and thought it was epic.
Yeah, growing up I drew pretty much exclusively dinosaurs, dragons, and other reptilian creatures, never anything vaguely  humanoid. This came to bite me in high school when people were what I wanted to draw most. I still can't do it, I can barely get away with chibis

but let me know if you ever need a dinosaur to be drawn
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on October 10, 2011, 09:11:24 PM
Let's be mythical/extinct reptile drawing buddies!
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Doyora on October 13, 2011, 01:12:47 AM
oh hey aroyoD how you doing
are you really the same Doyora? or are you one of the poosh clones they send to infiltrate us?>

real me. I have nothing to do with pooshlmer anymore
who are you

@tespeon
you should get some understanding of anatomy. use google to find basic anatomical reference, and try copying the poses provided here: http://www.posemaniacs.com/
even if you want to draw anime style stuff, learning this kind of thing if you want to do it well is essential.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: ♛ Apher-Forte on October 13, 2011, 03:31:01 AM
You use to be find me posting as Mariya Shidou on there or 4chan.
and yeah
Let's be mythical/extinct reptile drawing buddies!

I draw ugly gruesome things that look quite like but not really dragons... I imagine snakes, god I love drawing snakes.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Quad City QBs on October 13, 2011, 04:32:13 AM
@tespeon
you should get some understanding of anatomy. use google to find basic anatomical reference, and try copying the poses provided here: http://www.posemaniacs.com/
even if you want to draw anime style stuff, learning this kind of thing if you want to do it well is essential.

+1. Everything, everything--composition, lines, shading--comes from fundamentals. That is, the ability to visualize and understand an object in 3D.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/crapitalism/Art%20Helpers/th_basicforms.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v130/crapitalism/Art%20Helpers/?action=view&current=basicforms.jpg)

Source is Andrew Loomis (http://alexhays.com/loomis/). Highly recommended--just going through Fun With a Pencil (not just reading, but doing the exercises) has been ridiculously helpful for me.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: ♛ Apher-Forte on October 13, 2011, 10:17:36 AM
on a fun note, I learned anatomy by drawing my dad (who used to have a six pack, not so obvious now) who walks around with no shirt on.
hence... my earlier works seem mostly on transforming men into girls...
never am one for details on these fundamental things, maybe that is why I suck when it comes to really drawing something... that's why, while you have the chance, get learned with true anatomy etc.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Teewee on October 13, 2011, 07:51:56 PM
Thanks for the advice, guys. And I have been trying out books like that, but I'll try that one by andrew loomis again since you guys recommend it...

AF: too bad I never get that chance.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on October 19, 2011, 11:06:12 PM
Okay, I got one.

I find it very difficult to keep to just one project, as I tend to detail everything quite highly due to my art style being semi-realistic I find myself coming up with new ideas right in the middle of a project, start on the fresh one and just forget about the other one, no matter how good it might be. Often I'll tell myself that I'll get back to it, but when I do I just don't have the motivation to continue with it. I am like this with fanfics too. Any tips to staying on track?
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Ragathol on October 20, 2011, 12:48:33 AM
I try my best to finish things in one sitting, since I totally have this problem as well :v
The proper answer is Blood, Guts and Tears and Bloody Well Do It.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Quad City QBs on October 20, 2011, 05:31:02 AM
If anyone's still curious about frills, I demonstrate my technique on video about 50 minutes in. (http://livestre.am/155Fz) If you don't mind the bondage. And Space Jam.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on October 20, 2011, 08:16:08 AM
Thanks for the advice Ragathol, but my pictures are too big to do in one sitting. I'm sure I can still apply the attitude though. :V

If you don't mind the bondage. And Space Jam.

What are you talking about? This is the best combination!

I'm interested to know what screen capture software you're using for this too. :3
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Quad City QBs on October 20, 2011, 12:47:55 PM
I'm interested to know what screen capture software you're using for this too. :3

Livestream Procaster. It's pretty flaky and gobbles up CPU/RAM like a motherfucker, but the price is right.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: ♛ Apher-Forte on October 21, 2011, 07:40:41 AM
If anyone's still curious about frills, I demonstrate my technique on video about 50 minutes in. (http://livestre.am/155Fz) If you don't mind the bondage. And Space Jam.
you are my hero Maullar.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: ♛ Apher-Forte on October 21, 2011, 07:42:31 AM
Any tips on drawing body profiles? I can't seem to get the shoulder blades to look right and the chests are too small :/
imo, the boobs are always 2 times larger than the head and you really should use circles to mark out how big your shoulders should be... if that is what you are asking. (boobs can be shrunken with relative sizing as you go and erasers will be most likely your friend)
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Desu_Cake on October 21, 2011, 08:48:46 AM
imo, the boobs are always 2 times larger than the head

*Looks down*
Wait what?
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on October 21, 2011, 11:32:51 AM
*Looks down*
Wait what?

I know right? Mine are at least five times the size of my head,
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Ragathol on October 21, 2011, 12:44:08 PM
Any tips on drawing body profiles? I can't seem to get the shoulder blades to look right and the chests are too small :/

Something like this. The collarbones only stick out a little, and the shoulder blades should be pretty angular.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Teewee on November 03, 2011, 12:29:25 AM
I'd appreciate some feedback on this incomplete sketch of tenshi's dress. I still need more practice with my tablet, hehe... http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/803/dresspractice.png/
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: J.O.B on November 03, 2011, 06:58:04 AM
I'd appreciate some feedback on this incomplete sketch of tenshi's dress. I still need more practice with my tablet, hehe... http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/803/dresspractice.png/
I think it's looking alright so far. The folds and creases are a bit over the place though, the buttons down the middle are a little bit off center and the shoulder parts are too connected to the body, they need something like a crease in between them to make it look more natural.

I need some tips on hair and how to make my hair flow, I can't seem to get it right.
Also I need to learn how to relax my hand so I can draw lighter lines (though this could come with some more practice).
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on November 03, 2011, 10:01:08 AM
I need some tips on hair and how to make my hair flow, I can't seem to get it right.
Also I need to learn how to relax my hand so I can draw lighter lines (though this could come with some more practice).

It depend how you want to do hair, you can see how I sketch it out here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oOSuz1NH8U&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL) although I haven't got into colouring it or anything yet.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: J.O.B on November 03, 2011, 10:09:01 AM
Look at my art thread for how I do hair.
I just need to learn how to make it look better and more flowy. Especially when they're wearing something like headphones.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Teewee on November 03, 2011, 09:52:45 PM
I think it's looking alright so far. The folds and creases are a bit over the place though, the buttons down the middle are a little bit off center and the shoulder parts are too connected to the body, they need something like a crease in between them to make it look more natural.

I need some tips on hair and how to make my hair flow, I can't seem to get it right.
Also I need to learn how to relax my hand so I can draw lighter lines (though this could come with some more practice).

Thanks for the feedback ^_^ Yeah, I should pay more attention to where I put my folds. I'll make it look more natural for the new version :) but what do you mean, a crease in between the shoulder parts and the center part? I don't get it :/ I'd like an edit of the pic so I get what you mean, if its ok with you. I'd really appreciate it!
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: J.O.B on November 04, 2011, 04:56:10 AM
Here are two ways (depending on the outfit), but keep in note that the Green lines would normally be straighter, but I didn't want them to go over the red lines.
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Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Quad City QBs on November 04, 2011, 04:51:27 PM
Thanks for the feedback ^_^ Yeah, I should pay more attention to where I put my folds. I'll make it look more natural for the new version :) but what do you mean, a crease in between the shoulder parts and the center part? I don't get it :/ I'd like an edit of the pic so I get what you mean, if its ok with you. I'd really appreciate it!

There are two important things to know about the shoulder area, when it comes to clothing.

First, on most shirts, the sleeve is a separate piece of cloth from the rest of the shirt, sewn on along a line running from the elbow to the outside of the shoulder. Look down at your shirt now, and you'll probably see the seam. You don't necessarily have to draw in that seam all the time, but it's important to know it's there. I've highlighted it in blue in the following illustration:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/crapitalism/Art%20Helpers/shurt.jpg)

Second and more importantly, there's always some spare cloth under the armpit. That cloth is necessary for the wearer to be able to raise her arm. However, when her arm is lowered (i.e. most of the time,) that extra cloth bunches up and creates folds that radiate out from the armpit. I've highlighted those in red. Again, you don't have to draw in a lot of folds, but you need at least one to break up the white space and create the illusion of actual cloth hanging over the skin.

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Teewee on November 09, 2011, 12:32:40 AM
Thanks guys, you're a great help :) I think I understand what you guys mean. I'll show the next version colored so you can give feedback on my coloring/shading too, if you don't mind ^_^

Oh, and I'd like some tips on making my lines cleaner and smoother.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Pandafaust on November 09, 2011, 05:28:20 PM
I've recently been trying to draw medium length spiky hair that sticks up at the top, but I found it really hard to do, anybody have any tips?
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Skyler on November 23, 2011, 10:46:22 PM
I need help on face perspective. Like, if a character is facing slightly to the left/right, how would I draw the eye furthest away from me? Especially if the character is looking forward.
Something on face-shading would be helpful too.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: ♛ Apher-Forte on November 24, 2011, 08:09:26 AM
I need help on face perspective. Like, if a character is facing slightly to the left/right, how would I draw the eye furthest away from me? Especially if the character is looking forward.
Something on face-shading would be helpful too.

In words, I think my best tip is to make the eye seem thinner. Since your current visible near eye is larger, the next one should be as if the eye is thinner and centered.

Still however, I will try to draw an example but I need time, scanner etc.
It depend how you want to do hair, you can see how I sketch it out here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oOSuz1NH8U&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL) although I haven't got into colouring it or anything yet.

Eh, nicely planned hair!
I don't think much for hair, I just draw them naturally, many people tell me I draw some pretty hair, but imo it is the messiest part of my art, because all I did was make noodle lines and connect at the tip.... orz....
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Ragathol on November 24, 2011, 04:49:18 PM
I need help on face perspective. Like, if a character is facing slightly to the left/right, how would I draw the eye furthest away from me? Especially if the character is looking forward.
Something on face-shading would be helpful too.

Now, I'm not the best at this myself, but I can give you the theory. Executing it properly is the hard part.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on November 24, 2011, 07:44:18 PM
^ Satori eye!

Seriously nice tutorial, as usual :3
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: akira.izayoi on November 26, 2011, 02:13:45 PM
I need help in drawing wings , like Remi's Bat Wings or Aya's ones , especially the Remi's wings , I always ended up failing to draw them , especially in folded position.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on November 26, 2011, 08:18:52 PM
I need help in drawing wings , like Remi's Bat Wings or Aya's ones , especially the Remi's wings , I always ended up failing to draw them , especially in folded position.

Here, a quick bat wings tutorial. apologies for the handwriting. I'll probably make one for Aya's wings later if this one's any good.

Edit: the thing's bloody huge at full size, apologies, I'd replace it with a smaller one but can't :V
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Skyler on November 28, 2011, 09:09:21 PM
Now, I'm not the best at this myself, but I can give you the theory. Executing it properly is the hard part.

Thanks for the tutorial. Maybe my faces won't look as flat now.

Also I've realised that my heads seem to be rather large in relation to shoulder width a lot of the time, so could someone help me out on that too?
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Aoshi-shi on November 29, 2011, 07:28:31 PM
How on earth do I do proper skin tones?

Usually when I do digital coloring, everyone comes out as pale beauties Perhaps too pale.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: ♛ Apher-Forte on November 29, 2011, 08:33:10 PM
How on earth do I do proper skin tones?

Usually when I do digital coloring, everyone comes out as pale beauties Perhaps too pale.

I have the same problem
I think I am color blind.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: DX7.EP on November 29, 2011, 08:34:11 PM
How on earth do I do proper skin tones?

Usually when I do digital coloring, everyone comes out as pale beauties Perhaps too pale.
Funny, I tend to do the opposite and colour with too much saturation (this is non-digital, though).
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Quad City QBs on November 30, 2011, 07:17:29 AM
How on earth do I do proper skin tones?

Usually when I do digital coloring, everyone comes out as pale beauties Perhaps too pale.

Got an example? What's really helped me, at least, is understanding the depth of the contrast between the base skin tone and the shadow tone--both in terms of color intensity, and actual hue. Take this Sayori pic and the eyedropper tool...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/crapitalism/Art%20Helpers/th_colorz3.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v130/crapitalism/Art%20Helpers/?action=view&current=colorz3.jpg)

The base skin tone is a very light yellow...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/crapitalism/Art%20Helpers/th_colorz4.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v130/crapitalism/Art%20Helpers/?action=view&current=colorz4.jpg)

...but the actual shadow tone is pure red!

I think that contrast helps to create a healthy look.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Skyler on November 30, 2011, 01:56:36 PM
SO THAT'S HOW YOU SHADE awsfhadfkgbdkf
Yeah, thanks, I should be able to shade skin now.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Aoshi-shi on December 01, 2011, 07:29:46 AM
Got an example?

Yeah okay; So here's a coloring of someone else's line art. (http://i.imgur.com/FwUqn.png) Usually I shade skin by choosing colors darker than the base color, which is probably where I went wrong with this.

So here, I tried using red. (http://i.imgur.com/n7mJW.png) (Maybe I used too much.)  :V
 Actually, it looks much better. (Although I never would have thought to use red.)

Thank you very much for the tip~
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Skyler on December 02, 2011, 10:52:07 PM
I'm back again.
I'm trying to draw Kanako. The only thing is that I want to draw her with crossed legs and I can't figure out how it's supposed to look.
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Mеа on December 04, 2011, 04:33:02 AM
I'm trying to draw Kanako. The only thing is that I want to draw her with crossed legs and I can't figure out how it's supposed to look.
Don't worry, Glimmer, I'm trying it.

Meanwhile, does anyone know how to sharp contrast shade?
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Vyrien on December 04, 2011, 11:20:20 AM
What do you mean by sharp contrast shade? Like only black and only white?
Title: Re: Art tips thread!
Post by: Mеа on December 05, 2011, 06:52:02 AM
What do you mean by sharp contrast shade? Like only black and only white?
More like this: this (http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/288/6/9/black_yuyuko_by_kotekigo-d4cp7ao.png) or this (http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2011/284/7/5/black_ibara_by_kotekigo-d48coea.png) where the colors really stand out. Simply and stylishly.

And here's a really simple "tutorial" on the cross-legged thing. I'm not really an expert at this either. (can't seem to minimize attachments)
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