Dwarf Fortress Mafia: Game Over - Town Win

[Sodium]

Whoa, what?

You are Zuden Imsalegur, Weaver!  You perform the mundane duty of clothing the fortress and supplying it with bags and such.  You came to this career years ago, after being possessed by a spirit and producing a great artifact.

That artifact is a cloak of unmatched quality, and it seems to have some near-magical properties as well.  You've found that when sneaking with the cloak around you, you can move undetected.  This makes you the Town Watcher!  Every night, you may ##watch one player's room.  If anyone else targets that player with an ability during the night, you will see who does so.  You win with the town.  Good luck!

I targetted Carthrat, got Zakeri and Kilga. Zak flipping scum & killing role told me two things. 1)Carthrat was town;scum isn't shooting themselvels. 2)Kilga was town. Scum isn't targetting someone who is supposed to be a dead man. Thank god Zakeri targeted Carthrat though. =V

Also, I came back a lot later than expected.

[Kilgamayan]

Also, Kilga!

I'm recanting that, I've since changed my mind. Sudden Death will be whatever it is.

[Sodium]

Serp! You forgot me in the list of town power roles! ;_;

[Serp]

Oh, damn, so I did.  Be sure to add MSB as Watcher to the recap in the archive thread, Pesco.

[LHCling]

I'm recanting that, I've since changed my mind. Sudden Death will be whatever it is.

Kay-o. I'm just going to assume that there's some SUPER SECRET METHOD of going about things in Sudden Death. Well, I won't be playing another game for quite a while, so this doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[WHMZakeri]

To me, Sudden death is just an extension with a weird voting requirement to achieve.

[Benny1]

Scum should always instavote, chances are power roles shoudl always instavote, if you're town, instavoting isn't a bad idea.  As far as I am concerned you cannot get any information from how somebody acts in SD because it will turn into a game of WIFOM.

This probably isn't the best way to go about it for vanilla townie, but I feel this is reasonable.

[Kilgamayan]

Yeah, that sort of mentality is why I'm giving up hope for my Sudden Death approach. While I feel my approach is the most pro-town approach, it requires everyone to agree it's the most pro-town approach, and with the number of people that have the "insta-vote" attitude I don't think there's any chance I'm going to convince everyone. >_>

[Excal]

Huh, guess I shoulda hung with my first impression and gone for the FAV vote.  Ah well.

Sorry yer game ended like this Serp.  It's a shitty way for a game to end, and even worse when there's a huge lineup until the next time you can toss one together.

Also, Kilga, you don't believe it an utterly null tell for a person to save themselves in sudden death?  Odd.  I'm interested in hearing your theories, since it'll never come up in game.

[Kilgamayan]

I believe it a null tell now since everyone else believes it to be a null tell.

My ideal pro-town approach to Sudden Death would be what Queen Alexabeth did in Cid's Anonyrandom. Admittedly, there was no threat of VSM counterhammering him since his vote was already there, but still.

[Kilgamayan]

Oh, I'm stupid, Alex's vote was on VSM in that game from the early phase, so I don't even get to use that as an example.

[Kilgamayan]

Multi-post drifting wheee

Actually, I'm going to pull a couple of quotes from that whole thing, because even if it's very possibly Alex would have snaphammered VSM for survival if he was in the position to do so, the sentiment is what I find more important.

Editor's Notes: Queen Lizzie is Alex, Ned Flanders is VSM, Excel is not Excal, Khan is irrelevant to the issue.

I'm gonna say this quickly, I'm leaving my vote on the Queen 'cos this is a revolution! Off with her head *sharpens ax*
That do-gooder Ned is also deserving, but the Queen is full of crap!

Flanders and Khan are posting detailed and thoughtful arguments.

That's not useful, one of you has to die! You should be trying to convince us that it should be Ned - otherwise it's you that will hang. If you're a good towny then the only person you know is town is you! So you should be trying to save yourself! Telling us that Ned is towny goes against your own townyness right now because this is sudden death. You should be trying to protect yourself especially if you have a power role which can be put to good use. Supporting anything other than a Ned lynch right now shows that you aren't 100% behind your own townyness.

No.  Being a good townie means I want town to win.  I realize I screwed up very badly by dropping out of most of the day, and in this particular situation I think it's very possible Ned living would be much better for town than me living.  Of course I can't be 100% sure on him being town, but saying I think he's scum would be a lie.  I think he's more likely to be scum than I am, and I'm sure not going to be self-hammering, but at this point I think being honest about my opinions is the best I can do to help town.

[Serp]

If you think the other SD candidate is more townie than most, and you think he'd have a better shot of surviving tomorrow than you would, then it certainly is pro-town to surrender your life for the cause.

Though, if someone were to self-righteously say "Oh, please lynch me, it's the only way!" without providing reasoning for sincerely believing the above, I'd peg him as scum going for all-or-nothing towncred.

[Excal]

I'd comment further, but I've done a few things where I've refused survival votes because I felt pretty sure they were Town.  So...  yeah.  That's an ideal, one that's especially useful when both folks in the SD are already voting for each other, or where you don't have to worry about sudden survival lynch.  But, I can't see it as overtly scummy when the other guy also has his vote free to swing at you.

[Kilgamayan]

Right. I must admit I can't remember a single instance where a game hit Sudden Death and neither participant had their vote on the other, but in thinking about it now I believe striving for the "ideal" (if one can even call it that; I'm hardly a Mafia Bible) is pretty much impossible because SOMEONE is going to cave and snapvote the other guy out of survival, and everyone else will be expecting this, so it can't ring as a scumtell.

However, I do at least hope that, when a townie is in sudden death and the other guy's vote is on them but their vote is elsewhere, they stay calm and try to reason things out for the good of the town (speaking of Anonyrandom, Excal did exactly this on Day 2 when up against Bardyagi) instead of snapping to NOT ME OVER ME.