Author Topic: Black Stories ~ Touhou Edition - Case 20: Down to the bottom of Misty Lake!  (Read 70455 times)

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #60 on: January 21, 2010, 07:49:29 AM »
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the man shot himself because he saw, or thought he saw the ghost of a person he killed?
NO

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Was the man in a church/morgue?
NO

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did he shoot a mirror?
NO

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Was the man aware that he would die upon committing suicide?
YES. He commited the suicide with the exact goal of dieing.

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The man thought he had killed the person outside, and killed himself over it.
YES. He did not only think so, he really had a connection to the death, as was answered before.

However, needless to say, this alone does not suffice. What I want you to tell me is, what happened that lead to the death and  how is the man connected to it.


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Is the man a criminal?
NO

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was the man inside the victim's house?
NO

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Was the man of a sane mind?
YES. He was fully aware of what had happened and how he was connected to it.

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Did he have a significant loss that day?
NO, he did not lose anything significant to him, as in: a person, money or an object

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Is this surprisingly hard?
Ohohoho. I can understand that you find this riddle to be quite hard. However I shall assure you that you, my dear players, appear to be marching into the exactly right direction in which the truth lies. I am confident that it will not take too long for you to solve this riddle.
I have solved many of those riddles with friends, and the number of questions that was asked here up to now is still below the number that is in average needed to solve a case.
I admit this specific one here may be hard, but it is a real classic one as well, and its hardness stems mostly in the unusual situation it depicts. In this riddle here, one specific detail will solve almost all of the case, but one has to ask for that detail first.
Let me tell you, there are riddles that I consider far harder than this one that I have available, but those are often also more interesting.

I might add another hint as to how you should ask your questions:
At this point, I assume everyone of you has an image in their mind of what you know has happened. Now take the assumptions you have made in this image, and check them once more. Was every assumption you made, and may it be a really small detail, confirmed by my humble self? If not, then ask it, for having your own assumptions confirmed or denied is vital for solving a case

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #61 on: January 21, 2010, 08:12:08 AM »
Was he in a house?

was the man's job something related to fighting? (as in like in the FBI, police, military, etc
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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #62 on: January 21, 2010, 08:23:57 AM »
I find the most challenging part to be working with strictly yes/no questions, but it's that restriction that makes it fun.

A comment:

The man was not at home, yet knew where to get a gun intimately enough to not even consider another alternative, which suggests he either carries a gun, or operates for a lengthy amount of time somewhere where he could easily do so.

Is the man any of the following: policeman, soldier, gun store salesman, hunter?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #63 on: January 21, 2010, 08:30:39 AM »
Also did he mistake the person outside for someone else?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2010, 08:57:43 AM »
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Was he in a house?
Certainly not the kind of house you are thinking of, so NO. He was in a building that might be called a house though.

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was the man's job something related to fighting? (as in like in the FBI, police, military, etc
NO

I find the most challenging part to be working with strictly yes/no questions, but it's that restriction that makes it fun.

A comment:

The man was not at home, yet knew where to get a gun intimately enough to not even consider another alternative, which suggests he either carries a gun, or operates for a lengthy amount of time somewhere where he could easily do so.

Is the man any of the following: policeman, soldier, gun store salesman, hunter?
I see you have realized what makes this game special, and I am glad to see you like the challenge. As you can see I often use a little bit more than just 'YES/NO' while trying not to give too much information, because being too strict in the answers will make the game unnecessarily hard and frustrating for the players.

As for your question: NO
I shall say that the manner in which the man commited suicide is irrelevant, only the fact that he did is of importance.
I originally heard this riddle with the suicide by shooting, but the man might as well have slit his wrists, jumped down somewhere or strangled himself.
Thinking about it now, the gun is probably the method that makes least sense, but people in those riddles often seem to have a gun available for the sole purpose of shooting themselves.

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Also did he mistake the person outside for someone else?
NO

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2010, 09:06:23 AM »
Would this man have died due to a direct cause with what happened outside if he did not commit suicide?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #66 on: January 21, 2010, 09:20:59 AM »
did the person outside commit suicide as well?

was it daytime?

was the man (inside the building) scared of death?

was he scared of blood?
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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2010, 09:31:57 AM »
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Would this man have died due to a direct cause with what happened outside if he did not commit suicide?
NO

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did the person outside commit suicide as well?
NO

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was it daytime?
YES. More precisely, the suicide happened in the early morning

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was the man scared of death?

was he scared of blood?
Both are UNKNOWN. You may assume he was not scared more or less of any of these things than any other human.


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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2010, 10:12:30 AM »
Was this set in a urban area?

is the window open?

is the window broken?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #69 on: January 21, 2010, 10:40:13 AM »
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Was this set in a urban area?
NO

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is the window open?

is the window broken?
Both are UNKNOWN. You may assume that the window was intact and closed all the time.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2010, 10:44:58 AM »
Hmm, not really got anything insightful, so I'll make a few of my sillier theories:

The Resident Evil scenario:

The man is a worker in a sealed laboratory working with dangerous pathogens or the like. Upon seeing someone die outside the sealed area through an observation window, he realised that he caused a containment breach. Realising that there was no longer anywhere he could go, he committed suicide to avoid death by starvation etc., also shock.


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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #71 on: January 21, 2010, 10:50:51 AM »
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The man is a worker in a sealed laboratory working with dangerous pathogens or the like. Upon seeing someone die outside the sealed area through an observation window, he realised that he caused a containment breach. Realising that there was no longer anywhere he could go, he committed suicide to avoid death by starvation etc., also shock.
Well, I think you already expect that, but NO. The man is not a scientist or anything alike and therefore did not cause any virus outbreaks or contaminations.

However, I may extract the following from your theory:
The man is at his workplace.
The death outside is somehow connected to his work.
Those I shall answer with YES.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #72 on: January 21, 2010, 11:58:56 AM »
Was the death of the person outside caused by the man's negligence?

If not, was it caused by malicious intent?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #73 on: January 21, 2010, 12:03:31 PM »
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Was the death of the person outside caused by the man's negligence?
YES
Therefore:

If not, was it caused by malicious intent?
NO

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #74 on: January 21, 2010, 12:10:08 PM »
Was it the man's job to make sure such a death wouldn't happen?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #75 on: January 21, 2010, 12:45:21 PM »
The man saw a person died due to him neglecting to do a certain procedure in his work and suicide out of guilt. Is this statement correct?

Was the death of the person outside caused by physical harm?

Was the death of the person outside caused by lack of air?

Was the death of the person outside caused by a human? (As in things like being stabbed/shot/etc)
« Last Edit: January 21, 2010, 12:50:25 PM by Thaws »

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #76 on: January 21, 2010, 01:17:21 PM »
Is the man a construction worker?

If not, is he a sailor?

As soon as we understand the mans job, we have this.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #77 on: January 21, 2010, 01:26:03 PM »
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Was it the man's job to make sure such a death wouldn't happen?
YES

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The man saw a person died due to him neglecting to do a certain procedure in his work and suicide out of guilt. Is this statement correct?
YES

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Was the death of the person outside caused by physical harm?
YES

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Was the death of the person outside caused by lack of air?
YES

Either of the above two is a possibility and will lead to the same result


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Was the death of the person outside caused by a human?
NO

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Is the man a construction worker?
NO

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If not, is he a sailor?
NO

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As soon as we understand the mans job, we have this.
Indeed, you are well on your path to the truth.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #78 on: January 21, 2010, 01:29:22 PM »
Is the house a Greenhouse?

Was the man a gardener?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #79 on: January 21, 2010, 01:34:41 PM »
Is how the man outside died relevant?

Is the man a security guard?

Did all this happen in somewhere where there's water(I mean places near lakes, seas, swimming pools, etc)?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #80 on: January 21, 2010, 01:45:02 PM »
was the person who died a customer?
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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #81 on: January 21, 2010, 02:00:03 PM »

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #83 on: January 21, 2010, 02:04:38 PM »
Is the man a construction worker?

If not, is he a sailor?

You mean: Is this man one of the Village People? :V

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #84 on: January 21, 2010, 02:08:37 PM »
Was he a terrorist who tried to send a parcel bomb and accidentally blew up the mailman?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #85 on: January 21, 2010, 02:27:08 PM »
originally the man had a plan to kill someone else by using some kind of mechanism but he accidentally killed someone who wasn't involved and because of that he felt guilty so he killed himself.

if not, does his job require a gun
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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #86 on: January 21, 2010, 02:47:24 PM »
Really?

My surprise was at how a greenhouse could be related to a person dying from asphyxiation.

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #87 on: January 21, 2010, 02:57:47 PM »
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Is the house a Greenhouse?
NO

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Was the man a gardener?
NO.

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Is how the man outside died relevant?
YES, as far as the general circumstances surrounding the death are concerned. The specific cause of death is irrelevant, as was stated before.

What you just did here, Sir Thaws, is a very clever move indeed. It is allowed for the players to ask for the relevance of something in general before they lose themselves in asking for all varieties of something.


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Is the man a security guard?
NO

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Did all this happen in somewhere where there's water(I mean places near lakes, seas, swimming pools, etc)?
YES

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You mean: Is this man one of the Village People? :V
To my knowledge, he was not, though I can not say whether he did not like to dress in a similar fashion and sing YMCA occasionally. The thought scares me, however.

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Was he a terrorist who tried to send a parcel bomb and accidentally blew up the mailman?
NO, though I would almost like to accept this solution, as it is wonderfully creative.

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originally the man had a plan to kill someone else by using some kind of mechanism but he accidentally killed someone who wasn't involved and because of that he felt guilty so he killed himself.
NO

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if not, does his job require a gun
NO, in fact there is no relation between his job and any kind of fireams or other weaponry. As I said, people in these riddles are capable of possessing guns for the sole purpose of suicide.

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My surprise was at how a greenhouse could be related to a person dying from asphyxiation.
You should not assume that asphyxiation is the only way to die from a lack of air. Read through the answers above carefully, and I think you shall find what you are searching through.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2010, 03:00:05 PM by Sakana »

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #88 on: January 21, 2010, 03:20:03 PM »
The man was in a submarine and saw someone drowning?

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Re: Black Stories ~ Case 1: The Man at the Window
« Reply #89 on: January 21, 2010, 03:21:29 PM »
Oh, go on, next half-silly theory:

The Prestige scenario:

The man accidentally sealed someone inside a waterproof (or other liquid-proof) container, and filled the container up with such liquid. He realised his negligence upon observing the contents of the liquid through an observation window.