Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: PX on October 18, 2013, 05:27:29 AM
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The 765 Pro gang all went to an island for a gravure shoot. However, a storm brewed up and they all found the Producer dead. Then President Kuroi came in and said the following. Project Fairy has been reincarnated, and the members of them are currently residing among the 14 of you.
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Alive and L@dy
1. CF7 Ihavenoname
2. Shadoweh
5. NNR
6. ActionDan
7. Sky Paladin
8. Validon98 Polaris
9. Serious Bananas Prims
10. Conq
11. darkninjaabc
13. Serela
14. Zakeri
Retired
4. Raikaria - Makoto Kikuchi, the Idol Prince, 765 Productions, Lynched Day 1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033833.html#msg1033833)
12. BT - Haruka Amami, the Center of 765 Pro, 765 Productions, Killed Night 1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1034233.html#msg1034233)
3. Mitsuki/Vhaltz - Iori Minase, the Super Beautiful Cute and Perfect Idol, 765 Productions. Became Rie Kugimiya and left on Day 2 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1034793.html#msg1034793)
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posting before lock
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Game has been delayed long enough, screw confirmation
Welcome Dormio to The iDOLM@STER Mafia! You are Producer-san, the Producer. You are a producer employed under 765 Productions.
Abilities:
Producer-san - "Quote goes here." You are vanilla town. And dead. Isn't it sad Dormio?
You win when all opposing factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.
You can post and vote in the thread during episodes while alive. Confirm by posting in thread.
Song: Ready!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g_Wm6WUkew)
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Not Voting: Everybody
With 14 idols alive, it takes 8 vote to reach an execution and end the episode! Episode 1, START!
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##Sky Paladin
Why are you scum?
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##Vote Sky Paladin
stupid tags
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##Vote: Conqueror
STOP SINGING! Only I may fill the air with my beautiful sound!
LOADINGU LOADINGU
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That was the most horrible song I've heard. I watched leekspin to get it out of my head.
##Vote: BT
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##unvote
##vote Mitsuki
I feel bad. just a waiting game now.
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sup dan, how you been?
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##Vote: Serela
My gut feeling tells me you are scum, and my guts never lie.
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sup dan, how you been?
If I said good I would be lying. a lot of emotions really merged together. mostly a lot of sadness. I think it'll pass eventually. but I don't know when
But my vote is separate from all that. and in due time it will be explained. I'm waiting for all other players atm.
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##Vote: Serela
If we don't lynch him, scum will let him live until LYLO again.
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##Vote: Validon98
I think this is my first time placing a RVS vote on MotK, and of course it goes to Validon \(owo)/
Perhaphs it's just my terrible memory, though.
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Wub-wub-wub-wub. *Does his best Claptrap dubstep impersonation*
Anyway. Let's party. And i want to party with NNR the most. So! Let's sing him a song. Like this.
*Clears throat*
# Remember, remember...
# The fifth of November
Vendetta and tacos
Original flavor
Taste them and like them
End of the line, do me a favor
Never give up and
Never lose focus
Remember the flavor of original tacos
Okay... I'll probably should decrease my morning coffee dosage. All that caffeine in my system makes me post some random shit...
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Wub-wub-wub-wub. *Does his best Claptrap dubstep impersonation*
Anyway. Let's party. And i want to party with NNR the most. So! Let's sing him a song. Like this.
*Clears throat*
# Remember, remember...
# The fifth of November
Vendetta and tacos
Original flavor
Taste them and like them
End of the line, do me a favor
Never give up and
Never lose focus
Remember the flavor of original tacos
Okay... I'll probably should decrease my morning coffee dosage. All that caffeine in my system makes me post some random shit...
you must be a mafia conditional powerup whatever
nobody in their sane minds would do this
therefore
##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
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Oh, please... Why can't i just be a little bit creative? Who said that my singing should be good, or words in the song should make sense, if any? It's a party. If you want i can sing for you too, but i'm too lazy making up something passing for a song with so many letters in your forum name.
As for my sanity, consult my psychiatrist or better yet, don't do that. Results might be... disconcerting.
Anyway, on the more serious note. You're overreacting.
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My gut feeling tells me you are scum, and my guts never lie.
clearly only town can be this repulsive
##Vote Serious Bananas
formal scum
I liked CF7's song
oh and I work towards getting my power by hammering, don't hammer if you aren't me
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you must be a mafia conditional powerup whatever
nobody in their sane minds would do this
Let's just wait and see if the vote counts (see the rules, the vote should be in a single line to count). It's not a very strong point as PX might count it anyways but if he doesn't then at least this will be proven wrong.
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Okay... I'll probably should decrease my morning coffee dosage. All that caffeine in my system makes me post some random shit...
If I remember well from what I learnt caffeine doesn't really help to improve one's performance, it makes it even worse because after ~30 minutes as it makes you feel tired.
I recommend drinking water~
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Let's just wait and see if the vote counts (see the rules, the vote should be in a single line to count). It's not a very strong point as PX might count it anyways but if he doesn't then at least this will be proven wrong.
Technically it's a single line. Just a vertical one.
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And once more I'm going to have to wait to see how the next 7 or so hours play out because hurray, my school blocks this site. :V
##Vote: Shadoweh
Everyone else is allowed to sing too you know. Except scum.
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Oh, please... Why can't i just be a little bit creative? Who said that my singing should be good, or words in the song should make sense, if any?
It's a party. If you want i can sing for you too, but i'm too lazy making up something passing for a song with so many letters in your forum name.
As for my sanity, consult my psychiatrist or better yet, don't do that. Results might be... disconcerting.
Anyway, on the more serious note. You're overreacting.
exactly because that which is doesn't make sense, and is therefore outright weird.
early game feats are, to my limited knowledge, mostly limited to tomfoolery, but this is role madness, there's simply no guarantee to whether one small action, text color means anything special.
if you are scum conditional powerup, who is trying to net some powers before anyone got suspicious or into game attitude, town wins by one, simple.
even if you are town, this is still way, way too early for town to be seriously crippled due to one person's death. at the end of the day killing off the playerpool facilitates town win be dwindling the number of suspects before scum are able to secure an advantage in the form of stalling.
third party is downright unpredictable, but they can't pose a threat if they are dead, unless you are a jester. still, jesters win along with whatever faction that's going to win, although if you are actually going to be satisfied and feel your time well used with such an easy win (assuming you are a jester). well, we don't really mind that. so there.
tl;dr: this is early, we are lyching someone, this someone better be someone suspicious so scum cannot exploit on his ambiguity such that it comes back to bite us later.
(don't just ready this and if possible please read everything else too thanks)
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Oh, and almost forgot
##Vote: CF7
ty for the reminder mitsuki
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Hey, hey, I'm here :D
#Vote: darkninjaabc
Who is this guy again?
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exactly because that which is doesn't make sense, and is therefore outright weird.
early game feats are, to my limited knowledge, mostly limited to tomfoolery, but this is role madness, there's simply no guarantee to whether one small action, text color means anything special.
This is exactly that. D1 early tomfoolery.
I'm guessing you've missed the part "words in the song should make sense".
if you are scum conditional powerup, who is trying to net some powers before anyone got suspicious or into game attitude, town wins by one, simple.
even if you are town, this is still way, way too early for town to be seriously crippled due to one person's death. at the end of the day killing off the playerpool facilitates town win be dwindling the number of suspects before scum are able to secure an advantage in the form of stalling.
Ahem... It's a bit early for paranoia. Even in rolemadness game.
So we should lynch me. And coming from you it's a win/win lynch.
If i'm scum it's self explanatory. We lynched scum, cookies for everyone!
If i'm town, it's no big deal. We could lynch townies on D1 and we still have lots of other townies for next days. But every townie matters. And by saying that townies don't matter on D1 you practically make yourself a target for the lynch.
tl;dr Darkie's case is really badly written and he's the most suspicious so far.
So there. =)
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you must be a mafia conditional powerup whatever
nobody in their sane minds would do this
therefore
##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
Oh wait now I vaugely recall who you are now I've actually read the thread, from your avatar.
Your logic that no-one in their right mind would make some convoluted voting chant in RVS is kinda wrong. Simply because, no-one here is in their right mind :D
I wouldn't read too much into RVS.
Anyway, I'm not used to stuff going on this early, I'mma sit on my vote atm and then re-consider when I have some more actual time.
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OH DARKIE YOU'RE SO SILLY
Anyway hi guys I ended up replacing in before the game even started isn't that great?! I didn't even get HW staring over my shoulder in silence, PX lied to me
Vote:Shadoweh shhhhhhhhh
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aaaaaaaaaaaaa
##Vote: Serela
Serela you put ants in my room didn't you???!?
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This is exactly that. D1 early tomfoolery.
I'm guessing you've missed the part "words in the song should make sense". Ahem... It's a bit early for paranoia. Even in rolemadness game.
like I have explictly pointed out in my previous post, I am not paranoid, its just logic.
you are merely being targeted because your trick is unnecessarily complicated and organized in a way that screams suspicion. why must it be an acrostic poem, why can't you remove every single vowel, why can't you type up a ridiculous case on how he loves catgirls and must die on nnr, and why, would you deliberately clarify from before and after your message that you are under caffeine influence when you pull this so called harmless 'tomfoolery'. there are many more relatively ''common'' means of making a funny post and your uncommon manner gives the impression of that you are completing a task, instead of having ''fun''
moreover, you've responded rather vigorously to my comments, despite my early case on you lacking a detailed logic flow due to the lack of information AND that there wasn't even a wagon on you. therefore its not paranoia that makes you post so hard, then what is it? guilt.
there's simply no reason to get so fussed up, multiple times, even if you genuinely only meant to have a laugh over this necessarily complex 'joke'.
So we should lynch me. And coming from you it's a win/win lynch.
If i'm scum it's self explanatory. We lynched scum, cookies for everyone!
If i'm town, it's no big deal. We could lynch townies on D1 and we still have lots of other townies for next days. But every townie matters. And by saying that townies don't matter on D1 you practically make yourself a target for the lynch.
further evidence on your guilt, this is NOT what i have said about townies. my argument is only: ''townies in a role madness game will not be crippled ''seriously'' (as in lose) even if a mislynch occurs. therefore by killing we can clear suspicion and disable scum from building on said suspicion to the demise of town, which is relatively more crippling '' this argument also, is made when i am still reading you from a town perspective.
but now, you are practically raising a strawman argument to drag me down with you to cause chaos and further making your alignment all but more dubious
tl;dr Darkie's case is really badly written and he's the most suspicious so far.
So there. =)
my early case is indeed badly written, but that's due to an obvious lack of information because of the lack of posts, now you have all but provided me more and more info, and it turns out only to paint you in more and more of a negative light.
but does that make me scum? no. because your argument can be used on anyone else really. you are but trying to get us off your scummy back by throwing more junk for us to digest, good plan, but no.
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@ the above.
tl;dr
Whatever.
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##Vote: Serious Bananas
Normally I'd do some blantant softclaim/breadcrumb thingy, but I haven't even checked my role pm, so ehh.
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It's after 1 am and my bedtime is 10 pm and my wife wants me to ride out to seven eleven and its raining why am I online zzz
The US government didn't shut down! I'm so disappointed. At least there's a typhoon this week. Maybe I won't have to go outside AT ALL.
How do I hit bold on this thing.
oh right its been maybe a year since I used one of these for more than just typing straight text. OK here goes!
##vote conqueror
because they are totally on to me imo.
Also I don't know if I will get to check the thread before TIME OUT so may as well get in a vote before then. Farewell!
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Serela you put ants in my room didn't you???!?
sorry it was to fulfill my conditional power I swear!
Also the government was shut down for like 3 weeks, it's just they barely avoided going bankrupt and failing to pay other countries their bills
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Oookay. I actually read that wall.
like I have explictly pointed out in my previous post, I am not paranoid, its just logic.
you are merely being targeted because your trick is unnecessarily complicated and organized in a way that screams suspicion. why must it be an acrostic poem, why can't you remove every single vowel, why can't you type up a ridiculous case on how he loves catgirls and must die on nnr, and why, would you deliberately clarify from before and after your message that you are under caffeine influence when you pull this so called harmless 'tomfoolery'. there are many more relatively ''common'' means of making a funny post and your uncommon manner gives the impression of that you are completing a task, instead of having ''fun''
This is pure, filtered and distilled paranoia.
moreover, you've responded rather vigorously to my comments, despite my early case on you lacking a detailed logic flow due to the lack of information AND that there wasn't even a wagon on you. therefore its not paranoia that makes you post so hard, then what is it? guilt.
there's simply no reason to get so fussed up, multiple times, even if you genuinely only meant to have a laugh over this necessarily complex 'joke'.
If you haven't read the previous games i participated in, i tend to respond rather vigorously to most of the comments. You just were at the wrong place at the wrong time with ridiculous claim. And for some reason you persist in your ridiculous accusations. And where's that guilt you're speaking of?
''townies in a role madness game will not be crippled ''seriously'' (as in lose) even if a mislynch occurs. therefore by killing we can clear suspicion and disable scum from building on said suspicion to the demise of town, which is relatively more crippling '
I'm trying to understand this part and failing.
but now, you are practically raising a strawman argument to drag me down with you to cause chaos and further making your alignment all but more dubious
my early case is indeed badly written, but that's due to an obvious lack of information because of the lack of posts, now you have all but provided me more and more info, and it turns out only to paint you in more and more of a negative light.
but does that make me scum? no. because your argument can be used on anyone else really. you are but trying to get us off your scummy back by throwing more junk for us to digest, good plan, but no.
I'm dragging you down and throwing junk for you to digest? I thought i was merely standing near the grave you're digging for yourself.
Darkie, i have a really strong urge to vote you for tryharding. But for now i'll assume that you're just a paranoid overzealous scum-hunter. And a failing one at that.
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further evidence on your guilt, this is NOT what i have said about townies. my argument is only: ''townies in a role madness game will not be crippled ''seriously'' (as in lose) even if a mislynch occurs. therefore by killing we can clear suspicion and disable scum from building on said suspicion to the demise of town, which is relatively more crippling '' this argument also, is made when i am still reading you from a town perspective.
Sorry, but this is not true.
What if the townie we lynch is a Doc? Or a Cop?
Then it hurts.
Why are you trying to rush through a lynch ED1; cutting the day short?
I've been wagoned for this very line of thinking enough times myself.
My vote is staying where it is.
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Why are you trying to rush through a lynch ED1; cutting the day short?
What? Unless he's actually said somewhere in his post that he's trying to do this, uh, what?
Making a case on someone (regardless of how silly/misguided it might be) doesn't mean they're trying to quicklynch through the day.
##unvote ##Vote Raikaria
(For the record IMO darkie is overly tryhard but it's null to his alignment, especially since it's ed1, and the vote on Raikaria is for strawmanning)
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Silly Time First Votecount
Song: AI LIKE HAMBURGER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsI7rFueJi8)
SP (1) - Conq
Conq (2) - Shadoweh, SP
Mitsuki (1) - ActionDan
Serela (2) - SB, NNR
Validon98 (1) - Mitsuki
CF7 (1) - Dark
SB (2) - BT, Zakeri
Shadoweh (1) - Validon98
Dark (1) - Raikaria
Raikaria (1) - Serela
Not Voting: CF7
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With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
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Oh. In that case.
##Vote NNR
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Okay, so not much happened while I was gone.
The whole thing between CF7 and Darkninjaabc seems just really overreading into a silly RVS thing. People make RVS jokes every single game. I don't see that as evidence as to alignment at all (on either side, really).
And that's really all I can add (not that it's adding much, Serela and CF7 both already made this point). >_>;
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##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
I don't understand the vote. I mean, Serela made a point about that, but how does that reasoning make Raikaria scum?
There's the fact that Raikaria is an easy vote and that Serela felt the need to place a vote. I'd try to explain better but I have to leave now (@A@)
I'll be busy until Monday, but I'll hopefully have time to read and post.
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I don't understand the vote. I mean, Serela made a point about that, but how does that reasoning make Raikaria scum?
It makes Raikaria scummy for misrepresenting Darkie in a way that makes him look worse then he actually is. This is actually a serious vote! (as far as ED1 seriousness goes, at least)
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It makes Raikaria scummy for misrepresenting Darkie in a way that makes him look worse then he actually is. This is actually a serious vote! (as far as ED1 seriousness goes, at least)
Another way for me to say this that might be more clear is "Raikaria is voting Darkie for things Darkie didn't actually do"
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Except I'm not misrepresenting Darkninja
early game feats are, to my limited knowledge, mostly limited to tomfoolery, but this is role madness, there's simply no guarantee to whether one small action, text color means anything special.
[...]
tl;dr: this is early, we are lyching someone, this someone better be someone suspicious so scum cannot exploit on his ambiguity such that it comes back to bite us later.
(don't just ready this and if possible please read everything else too thanks)
First part means he knows it's RVS but think's it's serious anyway.
Second, bolded part implies he wants to see the lynch go through.
That's what gives me the impression of Darkninja wanting to quicklynch. I thought that was obvious.
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Also just because you don't interpret things the way I did doesn't mean I'm misrepresenting him on purpose.
And your vote is pretty hypocritical IMO as well, as you say 'Darkie's not scum for forming a [bad] case early' and then lynch me for trying to do the same thing.
Even if his intention was not to quicklynch, that is what it came off to me like, and even then, his case is awful and I'd keep my vote as a 'drop it, it's nothing, you're being silly' vote.
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##Unvote
##Vote CF7
Okay CF7 please explain your nonsensical contradictory approach to Dark.
Anyway, on the more serious note. You're overreacting.
Darkie, i have a really strong urge to vote you for tryharding. But for now i'll assume that you're just a paranoid overzealous scum-hunter. And a failing one at that.
Here Dark is just overreacting and it isn't indicative of anything.
tl;dr Darkie's case is really badly written and he's the most suspicious so far.
So there. =)
I'm dragging you down and throwing junk for you to digest? I thought i was merely standing near the grave you're digging for yourself.
Here Dark is suspicious.
I can back up Raikaria's interpretation because I read that part the same way.
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btw my early comment on Dark wasn't a joke and I do think he's town - people handwaving his stuff as null bothers me because it seemed town to me pretty much instantly
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##Vote: Raikaria
BT why are you being wrong, you're suposed to be the best analyzer here.
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Shouldn't it stand to reason that I'm right?
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Okay Raikaria pointing that out justifies where Raikaria was coming from nevermind
##Unvote
I read Darkie's post but didn't see where the quicklynch thing was coming from so I figured it wasn't a thing that actually happened, but since it is, then Raikaria's not scummy mc.scummerton anymore
sheeping bt on cf7 being contradictory!
##Vote cf7
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But it's the most adorable slapfight. Why would you want to pick on either of them?
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I think the why is pretty apparent. Asked myself multiple times what CF7 was going for when reading his posts, Would like to think that's suggestive of a faker.
You think CF7 is slapfighting town? Why?
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##Unvote: Serious Bananas
##Vote: CF7
I see BT has already mentioned it, but I don't like how quickly CF7 switches between "Most suspicious" to paranoid town. Can you at least explain why the switch occured?
Also, I don't see how Rai's attack on Ninja makes him scum.
Not an Edit: Although I guess that's because I had the grace of seeing him respond to the post voting against him.
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Still Silly Time
Song: Do-Dai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GseZ3FKqrcY)
SP (1) - Conq
Conq (1) - SP
Mitsuki (1) - ActionDan
Serela (3) - SB, NNR, Mitsuki
CF7 (4) - Dark, BT, Serela, Zakeri
Shadoweh (1) - Validon98
Dark (1) - Raikaria
Raikaria (1) - Shadoweh
NNR (1) - CF7
Not Voting:
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With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
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I think the why is pretty apparent. Asked myself multiple times what CF7 was going for when reading his posts, Would like to think that's suggestive of a faker.
You think CF7 is slapfighting town? Why?
Apparently I have less stringint standards on how awesome the first real cases of the game have to be. I'm skipping the part where we decide which of the two townies doing the argument was worse at it and going directly to the step where we point out the people voting that way are being opportunistically bad. :)
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sky paladin is lame.
I am taking a GRE tomorrow, was studying. Am posting to say
##Unvote
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hope ya feel better, dan. and good luck!
dark looks tryhard but doesnt read scummy atm
bt your cf7 case is cherrypicking quotes out of context. also why can't he be both suspicious of dark and think he's overreacting. anyway it's not like cf7 is even voting dark, so saying his approach is contradictory is ??? What's contradictory about his ultimate conclusion? similar question to zak: it's not like the switch from "most suspicious for now" to "paranoid town" is unwarranted this early in the game, and even if it was sudden what's scummy about it?
##unvote
##vote: raikaria
the attack on darkninja is really disingenous. the implication that dark is trying to quicklynch is laughable since I parsed what he was saying as "we should try to lynch suspicious people no matter how early it is."
there's also this from raikaria:
Why are you trying to rush through a lynch ED1; cutting the day short?
I've been wagoned for this very line of thinking enough times myself.
My vote is staying where it is.
so darkninja is doing something that raikaria has been wagoned for doing...thus raikaria will keep his vote on darkninja? there's no thought process here, it's just word vomit.
also there's a tonal(?) thing i can't explain that feels different from what i've seen from town!raikaria in the past few games. like in the last game he was super paranoid and wanted to lynch the claimed masons but at least i could understand where he was coming from for the most part, well at least enough to hard defend him
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addendum:
Even if his intention was not to quicklynch, that is what it came off to me like, and even then, his case is awful and I'd keep my vote as a 'drop it, it's nothing, you're being silly' vote.
so if his intent was not to quicklynch, your vote basically boils down to "your case is awful and you're silly." okay, do you think he's scum?
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Responses:
Except I'm not misrepresenting Darkninja
First part means he knows it's RVS but think's it's serious anyway.
Second, bolded part implies he wants to see the lynch go through.
That's what gives me the impression of Darkninja wanting to quicklynch. I thought that was obvious.
At the start of the game, any of our votes being RVS is true for everyone. Which I have already explained multiple times over presenting my case, due to the absence of information. However, based on each individual's response to a vote, we can then gradually establish a much more logically sound and reasonable read on said individual. Which is the entire point of RVS happening in the first place!
There has never been the rule that RVS cannot develop into truly intentional votes.
Quicklynch argument was like....well, what to me. My entire point boils down to the fact that CF7 RVS is suspicious, and that even if it was a mislynch its okay to occur since its so early in the game anyway.
I am inclined to transfer my vote to you rai, but allow me a moment to compare and formulate my case.
EDIT: dafuq conq the ninja got ninja'd!?
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why can't [CF7] be both suspicious of dark and think he's overreacting.
Because "suspicious" should be reserved for scumreads when he talks repeatedly of thinking he's town.
And sure it's not unwarranted, but getting him to talk more about his decision won't hurt.
I want to disagree with your case on Raikaria, but uhh, I can't find anything wrong with it actually.
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PX Is Asleep Time
Song: Kyun! Vampire Girl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN5gx6ARkRE)
Conq (1) - Sky Paladin
Serela (3) - Serious Bananas, NekoNekoRex, Mitsuki
CF7 (4) - Darkninjaabc, BT, Serela, Zakeri
Shadoweh (1) - Validon98
Darkninjaabc (1) - Raikaria
Raikaria (2) - Shadoweh, Conq
NekoNekoRex (1) - CF7
Not Voting: ActionDan
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With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
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Ahn~ With Conqueror-sempai on my side there's no way we can lose! XD Sugoi!
Thinking on it there's something in Serela's post that's extremely punchable but I can't put my finger on what it is. I think it's the weird justification of why Raikaria is totes okay since he wasn't lying afterall or something? Like why do you have to be told what the person you were voting actually did?
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I voted CF7 because some of his interactions felt like he thought Dark was null at worst and then others are blatantly painting his actions. I don't get the rationale behind saying shit like "you're making yourself a lynch target" and "you're digging yourself a hole" if he ultimately never goes there.
I was going to point out the same thing you did about Raikaria's "I've been wagoned for this" comment but then I read his vote rationale in #43. And the first point isn't that strong because, like I said, I interpreted it that way too. Though I do want him to answer what's going on here:
And your vote is pretty hypocritical IMO as well, as you say 'Darkie's not scum for forming a [bad] case early' and then lynch me for trying to do the same thing.
Shadoweh is pulling the opportunistic card but this is bad because (1) all that seems to matter to her is that I voted one of the slapfighters and (2) the people that practically sheeped my 'opportunism' get no mention. I also want to know what's wrong with Serela changing his mind.
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BT, once again you're looking for contradictions that are not there. And quoting out of context is just plain awesome.
His case is badly written. And he might be overreacting. It doesn't make him any less suspicious.
Tbh, to me Darkie insisting that "lynching townies on D1 is not a big deal" is not a townie mentality at all.
And now people my wagon. Darkie, BT, Serela and Zak.
Darkie wants to lynch me over my silly RVS joke post. BT, Serela and Zak want to lynch me over my "contradictions". BT's reasoning can be somewhat justified. But Serela and Zak just went "sure let's go with that".
/cut
I voted CF7 because some of his interactions felt like he thought Dark was null at worst and then others are blatantly painting his actions. I don't get the rationale behind saying shit like "you're making yourself a lynch target" and "you're digging yourself a hole" if he ultimately never goes there.
I didn't vote him because i thought that argument just went nowhere and voting someone over RVS misconception is just bad.
Btw, can you explain this BS?
oh and I work towards getting my power by hammering, don't hammer if you aren't me
You say that you're getting power-up by hammering. Yet you're placing the vote, that is actually second on my wagon. Clearly a contradiction on your part. So.
##Unvote
##Vote BT
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I didn't vote him because i thought that argument just went nowhere and voting someone over RVS misconception is just bad.
I'm trying to reconcile this. You think he's making himself a vote reason and he doesn't have a townie mentality, but this argument goes nowhere? It reads like you don't plan on pursuing him but make him seem bad nonetheless.
Btw, can you explain this BS?You say that you're getting power-up by hammering. Yet you're placing the vote, that is actually second on my wagon. Clearly a contradiction on your part.
All I need to do is to unvote near the end of the day. There's nothing limiting me from using my vote until then.
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I'm trying to reconcile this. You think he's making himself a vote reason and he doesn't have a townie mentality, but this argument goes nowhere? It reads like you don't plan on pursuing him but make him seem bad nonetheless.
All I need to do is to unvote near the end of the day. There's nothing limiting me from using my vote until then.
He's making himself look bad. I'm just pointing at this.
And vote/unvote shenanigans just don't sit with me. It is likely a scum thing.
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??? Why is it likely a scum thing?
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It gives you an excuse to change votes at will and then just hammer any wagon available. Plus it's just plain weird for this ability to be town aligned. Even in rolemadness game.
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And to add that. You could actually sit there not voting all day until hammering time and it could be justified because of your ability. And since you haven't actually done this i think it likely points at you being scum.
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Then why didn't you say that when I brought it up? All I've been doing since then is playing normally. I can't just "change votes at will" because I'd be held accountable for the votes I 'would have had' anyway.
Fake edit: that wouldn't have been justified at all. And if I were scum why wouldn't I take the opportunity to note vote at all?
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An oversight on your part, you forgot your own claim.
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addendum:so if his intent was not to quicklynch, your vote basically boils down to "your case is awful and you're silly." okay, do you think he's scum?
Well at that point I could see no-one better to vote over a pressure vote for the case. If Darkninja's intention was not to Quicklynch; which I read it as [So calling my case laughable based on you reading it otherwise is a bit silly and baseless], simply put, the sillyness of his case was STILL the worst thing in my opinion. Last time a checked making an awful case was also pretty lynchworthy.
I'm not sure why you're shrugging off the fact I've been wagoned/lynched for doing the same thing as him either. That's basically me saying 'We've found this stuff lynchworthy before.'
Also; as CF7 has said; and I did point out when making my initial vote:
Tbh, to me Darkie insisting that "lynching townies on D1 is not a big deal" is not a townie mentality at all.
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Though I do want him to answer what's going on here:
I say Darkninja's case that Serela was defending was bad, and then I say Serela is voting me on the logic... that my case is bad? He basically says 'There's no problem with Darkninja he's trying to make a case. There's a problem with you for trying to make one though!' which seems really hypocritical and silly.
As for CF7 v BT, I see no issue in either a town or a scum role with a 'On hammering' effect placing votes before a hammer. Especially when said hammer is nowhere near falling. And especially since MotK town tends to lynch people not voting at all. Using your vote to show your opinions on people is neither town or scum. It's null IMO.
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I voted CF7 because some of his interactions felt like he thought Dark was null at worst and then others are blatantly painting his actions. I don't get the rationale behind saying shit like "you're making yourself a lynch target" and "you're digging yourself a hole" if he ultimately never goes there.
I was going to point out the same thing you did about Raikaria's "I've been wagoned for this" comment but then I read his vote rationale in #43. And the first point isn't that strong because, like I said, I interpreted it that way too. Though I do want him to answer what's going on here:
Shadoweh is pulling the opportunistic card but this is bad because (1) all that seems to matter to her is that I voted one of the slapfighters and (2) the people that practically sheeped my 'opportunism' get no mention. I also want to know what's wrong with Serela changing his mind.
Are you scum with Serela? I'm so sorry.
He didn't change his mind, he read what you posted and decided it meant his vote was 'wrong' and he should sheep you instead.
Zakeri gets no mention because he is the cutest.
Also, lynching townies Day 1 really isn't a big deal, we try not to but we don't exactly have the best scum lynch track record. Making sure we lynch someone who'll always be under suspicion/will vote for town in lylo because they told him they were town in his QT is kinda what we try to do!
Raikaria did you just ask Why Me and not CF7? :D Were you scum when you did those totally votable things or were you town getting piled on for what you saw as no reason?
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It gives you an excuse to change votes at will and then just hammer any wagon available. Plus it's just plain weird for this ability to be town aligned. Even in rolemadness game.
No offense but everything you said here is pretty stupid
He can't "change votes at will and hammer any wagon", that's pretty much the equivalent of CLAIMING SCUM and no one would ever do that (except in lylo where any scum would be doing this anyway) and it's not weird for this ability to be town aligned.
Actually, I can remember previous examples of townies gaining powers through hammering in MotK Mafia. (Moriya Shrine Revolution)
Raikaria, sure my point was incorrect, but can you at least AWKNOWLEDGE IT EXISTED? My case was based on you making up stuff about Darkie that wasn't true (but was believable) and voting him for it. That would totally be bad. After you pointed out it actually did happen in one of his posts (which I had looked for but missed) I immediately retracted my vote. Stop whining I voted you for trying to make a case, the reality was I voted you for being a big fat liar and you should stop misrepping me.
Anyway, while my original bt-sheep reasons for voting CF7 may be questionable his last bunch of posts definitely makes me want to keep voting him!
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plus the cf7 quote from my last post is implying that, like, he shouldn't vote at all until he hammers, which would be crazy untownie, anyway tl;dr nope
oh wait
And to add that. You could actually sit there not voting all day until hammering time and it could be justified because of your ability. And since you haven't actually done this i think it likely points at you being scum.
he actually said this wow
^BT actually doing that would be crazy untownie yo (and crazy unnecessary because everyone can just let him hammer if they want him to)
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BT, once again you're looking for contradictions that are not there. And quoting out of context is just plain awesome.
His case is badly written. And he might be overreacting. It doesn't make him any less suspicious.
Tbh, to me Darkie insisting that "lynching townies on D1 is not a big deal" is not a townie mentality at all.
And now people my wagon. Darkie, BT, Serela and Zak.
Darkie wants to lynch me over my silly RVS joke post. BT, Serela and Zak want to lynch me over my "contradictions". BT's reasoning can be somewhat justified. But Serela and Zak just went "sure let's go with that".
Stop raising strawman arguments which I have rebutted already, like I have pointed out, that's not my argument. Extracting bits and pieces of words and putting them together in your own way won't help life suspicion on you.
/cutI didn't vote him because i thought that argument just went nowhere and voting someone over RVS misconception is just bad.
Btw, can you explain this BS?You say that you're getting power-up by hammering. Yet you're placing the vote, that is actually second on my wagon. Clearly a contradiction on your part. So.
##Unvote
##Vote BT
Your swap in votes with a poorly formulated rationale behind while being the leading wagon on here is purely nonsensical. Is this some strategy to divert attention such that enough time can be mustered for someone else to be targetted rather than the scum?
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Validon, Sky Paladin and SB are doing nothing at all. I think all three of them have just one post?
I'd like to hear from them or something. I could vote for them if we don't reach an agreement on who to vote by the end of the day.
I've just read everything but I haven't really paid close attention... I was talking with friends while reading (=w=u Not much is happening, anyways.
I think that Serela is being oportunistic and that everyone is going for the easy votes and reasoning. I'm keeping my vote on Serela because he seems to be worse than everyone else, and Shadoweh was supposed to read Serela well or something? (Please someone confirm this)
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I rest my case.
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But i guess i can switch to Serela wagon, so my vote won't go to waste.
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The day started LESS then 24 hours ago and we still have most of it left, it's a -little- early to talk about voting people who haven't done anything yet >_>;;
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But yeah, uh, CF7's reasoning for voting BT is literally the worst.
Even if you don't think CF7 is scum your reaction should be slapping him on the wrist and going "no stop go try to find actual scum"
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I haven't really said anything because what is there to interject? I found the whole slapfight between CF7 and Dark dumb from the beginning, and now BT, Raikaria, and Serela are getting involved. It's kind of going over my head a little, but I can see the points against CF7. I agree with Raikaria about the BT thing: a hammering role does not indicate alignment. It could be townie or scum, who knows? Also, even if it's a minor thing, Mitsuki going "let's vote one of the people who haven't said much if we can't agree! owo" is making me go urrgh, but it's not really indicative of alignment.
For now, though...
##Unvote
##Vote: CF7
Will be back later to reread stuff in case I've glanced over something.
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Also, even if it's a minor thing, Mitsuki going "let's vote one of the people who haven't said much if we can't agree! owo" is making me go urrgh
no this is totally an urgh thing, it's way too early to even consider voting someone for not making posts yet and is an overly passive position to take on the game in general
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Raikaria did you just ask Why Me and not CF7? :D Were you scum when you did those totally votable things or were you town getting piled on for what you saw as no reason?
Uh, what? I never said anything about CF7 except I don't agree with him jumping on BT much, and quoting one of his recent posts as a clearer version of what I said was my reason for voting Darkninja before.
I'd like to know where on earth you are getting this impression from.
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Serela, I acknowledged your case existed when I counter-argued <_<. I'm not even complaining about you voting me since yesterday [As in IRL time], and you've made loads of posts since I last mentioned it.
Seriously with the amount of people acting like I'm saying stuff that I didn't say right now I'm getting worried.
Not liking Mitsuki hunting out lurkers when Mitsuki hasn't exactly been the most active player him/her self.
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no this is totally an urgh thing, it's way too early to even consider voting someone for not making posts yet and is an overly passive position to take on the game in general
I've kind of totally lost track of time. Anyways, the fanmeter can go down at any time, so how is now too early? You NEVER know when it's too early (?_u)
I'm quite sure that I won't agree on any of the end of day wagons if this keeps up, so I wanted to at least say there were other chances... oh well.
overly passive position to take on the game in general
I'm not doing much, but I'm voting you, not people not posting. I'm not being passive, I'm just not active enough.
I remind everyone that I can't be very active right now. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't care about other people not posting AT ALL. I mean, I don't know if they're busy or if it is on purpose.
I don't like Validon posting right after me saying that I could vote him and not posting before. But I guess that's Validon after all. <3 (Still neutral though)
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I'm not sure why you're shrugging off the fact I've been wagoned/lynched for doing the same thing as him either. That's basically me saying 'We've found this stuff lynchworthy before.'
And you've complained before about the fact that you've been wagoned for dumb stuff as town. Okay so you think what he's doing is silly. So I'll repeat my question. Why do you think he's scum? Okay so darkninja was the best case at the time you voted him, sure whatever. But there's been a lot of other stuff, and reading through your posts I can't tell why you're still voting darkninja.
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I think that Serela is being oportunistic and that everyone is going for the easy votes and reasoning.
explain why the votes on everyone else are easy votes and reasoning? this is really easy to say without stuff to back it up.
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I am inclined to transfer my vote to you rai, but allow me a moment to compare and formulate my case.
just wondering, did you ever finish this?
cf7 your point on bt is dumb; find another vote. even if i got powers from hammering i'd sure as hell be voting before deadline to show where i wanted to lynch.
But i guess i can switch to Serela wagon, so my vote won't go to waste.
it's too early for the consolidation mindset. why serela over everyone else?
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I'm just gonna highlight the Why Me for you Rairai
Well at that point I could see no-one better to vote over a pressure vote for the case. If Darkninja's intention was not to Quicklynch; which I read it as [So calling my case laughable based on you reading it otherwise is a bit silly and baseless], simply put, the sillyness of his case was STILL the worst thing in my opinion. Last time a checked making an awful case was also pretty lynchworthy.
I'm not sure why you're shrugging off the fact I've been wagoned/lynched for doing the same thing as him either. That's basically me saying 'We've found this stuff lynchworthy before.'
You're right, you meant darkninja and not CF7. Forgive me for thinking you weren't talking about the even more obviously town guy. No one uses the word silly for things they find scummy, that's Serela's code word for PLEASE LYNCH ME I AM SCUM
I've just read everything but I haven't really paid close attention... I was talking with friends while reading (=w=u Not much is happening, anyways.
I think that Serela is being oportunistic and that everyone is going for the easy votes and reasoning. I'm keeping my vote on Serela because he seems to be worse than everyone else, and Shadoweh was supposed to read Serela well or something? (Please someone confirm this)
What do you think of Validon's vote? Yes, Serela is like a super-punchable mason/scumbag all the time to me. I'm not locked on yet though. #72 tonally is more townie tbh.
plus the cf7 quote from my last post is implying that, like, he shouldn't vote at all until he hammers, which would be crazy untownie, anyway tl;dr nope
To me it just sounds like a misunderstanding about what someone should do if they have a power that works on hammers. He thinks he caught BT fibbing, wouldn't you be voting BT too if you thought that?
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Pokemon/Dangan Ronpa/Skype/irl sure manages to delay posts.
I don't like Darkninja. He seems to have a basic grasp of how RVS works, but he's already talking about lynching someone for it? Also this is ringing alarm bells:
tl;dr: this is early, we are lyching someone, this someone better be someone suspicious so scum cannot exploit on his ambiguity such that it comes back to bite us later.
The bolded implies that he knows that CF7 is town. His fixation with the idea that mislynching on day 1 isn't the end of the world isn't helping his case either. I agree with the concept, but in context it looks like an excuse to push CF7. I feel like I'm wording this badly, but shrug.
CF7 apparently found him scummy too, but then went on to vote for NNR? Also the end of #24 sounds like he's coaching Darkninja in a way when he's saying that he's making himself a big target. And then in #33 he's scummy because of tryharding? Tryhards can be scum or town, or even ITP. It doesn't really matter. He would also apparently be willing to switch to the Serela wagon really early despite the fact that 2/3 of the votes on there are RVS votes.
And now people my wagon. Darkie, BT, Serela and Zak.
Darkie wants to lynch me over my silly RVS joke post. BT, Serela and Zak want to lynch me over my "contradictions". BT's reasoning can be somewhat justified. But Serela and Zak just went "sure let's go with that".
>"BT can be explained"
>votes BT
He also says gaining his ability by hammering is weird for a townie. Not really? In Touhou NOCfia on SF I got extra shots of part of my role by hammering a player I scanned as guilty.
I've been wagoned for this very line of thinking enough times myself.
My vote is staying where it is.
This is from Raikaria's #34. Assuming you're talking about times that you were town, why are you finding this scummy? Clearly you thought it was okay when you did it in the past. I don't like it.
Conq feels like he's buddying Darkninja in #55. If one flips scum I would probably look into the other, but it's a null tell for now. I don't really see any scum intent from Conq anywhere else.
I didn't like #75 by Mitsuki because it feels like she's saying that it's Shadoweh's fault if Serela flips town. I'm null on the "lynch lurkers" thing because lurkers are generally hard to read.
CF7 and Dark are the worst but CF7 already has plenty of votes on him, and I'd like Dark to make sure responds to me.
##Unvote
##Vote: Darkninja
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To me it just sounds like a misunderstanding about what someone should do if they have a power that works on hammers. He thinks he caught BT fibbing, wouldn't you be voting BT too if you thought that?
Bad Play But Not Scummy Play did occur to me but it doesn't matter
His BT vote is just too BLUH and he needs to get rid of it immediately and do something else regardless of alignment. My current agenda has been to call attention to it to place more scrutiny and pressure and if he's scum this theoretically should be a really good thing! (If he's town then theoretically he should be able to start looking more like a townie before long but that part doesn't always work out)
...it's also occured to me I'm being way more aggressive then I usually am, but it's making d1 be fun instead of a painful gross mess so I'll just roll with it `-`
Cut by SB, darkie is pretty oddball so I can't criticize voting him despite having a wait-and-see mindset on him myself
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Serela, I acknowledged your case existed when I counter-argued <_<. I'm not even complaining about you voting me since yesterday [As in IRL time], and you've made loads of posts since I last mentioned it.
Seriously with the amount of people acting like I'm saying stuff that I didn't say right now I'm getting worried.
Your paragraph on me in #70 says otherwise (and is the entirety of what I was referring to) but as long as we're on the same page -now- :3
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CF7 following up his stuff with "But suppose I can hop on the Serela wagon even though you're (aka BT) totally scum who forgot their claim immediately :smug:" (note:loose and heavily biased interpretation of his actual post) is also totes an epitome of why he's currently my preferred lynch
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explain why the votes on everyone else are easy votes and reasoning? this is really easy to say without stuff to back it up.
I didn't really read carefully. It was just a feeling, like, it didn't seem that the reasons were strong, and the votes were placed in weaker players.
Anyways, I just meant it as a general thing. When I reread I'll do things properly. And yeah, I hope to reread soon. Tonight (it's already night here) or tomorrow morning. I'm borrowing someone else's computer and they're waiting for me to finish writing this post;;;
I didn't like #75 by Mitsuki because it feels like she's saying that it's Shadoweh's fault if Serela flips town. I'm null on the "lynch lurkers" thing because lurkers are generally hard to read.
No, it'd be my fault if that happened. I just wanted to make sure.
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Alright. I still don't know what to make of my last convo with CF7. Even if he views a role like mine as a likely scum role it's bold to go up against a claim when you're scum in role madness like that. Same for "you forgot your own claim". Not an impossible bullshittery but overall less likely to come from scum imo. The one thing that does bother me about it is that he seems to have issue with my claim regardless of how I used my vote - in that case why did he wait until now to comment on it? It's evidently not because he thought I was scum because he said in the same post that my case is justifiable.
Are you scum with Serela? I'm so sorry.
He didn't change his mind, he read what you posted and decided it meant his vote was 'wrong' and he should sheep you instead.
Yeah, he changed his mind. What's bad about how he did it?
SB's post bothers me. For its content. His point on Raikaria bothers me because no, that doesn't really imply he thought CF7 was town. His point on Conq bothers me because no, that one line on Dark shouldn't be screaming 'buddying' at you. His point on Mitsuki bothers me because no, taking into account other people's reads like that is fine.
I'm starting to get a bad vibe from the way Rai's answering questions. It's also dubious that he voted Dark for pressure but doesn't actually address his play outside of that.
Even if his intention was not to quicklynch, that is what it came off to me like, and even then, his case is awful and I'd keep my vote as a 'drop it, it's nothing, you're being silly' vote.
Like, he's dropped it, what now?
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SB's post bothers me. For its content. His point on Dark bothers me because no, that doesn't really imply he thought CF7 was town. His point on Conq bothers me because no, that one line on Dark shouldn't be screaming 'buddying' at you. His point on Mitsuki bothers me because no, taking into account other people's reads like that is fine.
EBWOP
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BT ilu, would sheep again in future
Anyway I have to leave for work in 19~ minutes so I won't be monopolizing the thread for awhile
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Your paragraph on me in #70 says otherwise (and is the entirety of what I was referring to) but as long as we're on the same page -now- :3
That paragraph on me was in a historical context, I was answering a query BT had about what I was going on about before. Hard to not mention my previous disagreement with you when doing that.
This is from Raikaria's #34. Assuming you're talking about times that you were town, why are you finding this scummy? Clearly you thought it was okay when you did it in the past. I don't like it.
Yes, at the time I did it I thought it was OK... but likewise I am aware that you guys tend to act badly towards that, and take it as a scumread. So now I'm taking it as a scumread... I'm impressionistic.
I'm starting to get a bad vibe from the way Rai's answering questions. It's also dubious that he voted Dark for pressure but doesn't actually address his play outside of that.Like, he's dropped it, what now?
Last I checked he was still voting CF7 for the same reasons I called him out on. That said, I'm not really following the CF7 bandwagon too much myself, and need to re-read thegeneral events and reasons for people voting CF7.
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Last I checked he was still voting CF7 for the same reasons I called him out on. That said, I'm not really following the CF7 bandwagon too much myself, and need to re-read thegeneral events and reasons for people voting CF7.
He branched off from those reasons. Are you sure you've checked?
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I just said I need to re-read. I'm busy with other stuff atm though, so that'll probobly come tomorrow.
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Whoops this exists
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Dormio Got Out Of Bed Time
Song: Shiny Smile (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VamMIsURdW8)
Conq (1) - Sky Paladin
Serela (2) - NekoNekoRex, Mitsuki
CF7 (5) - Darkninjaabc, BT, Serela, Zakeri, Validon98
Darkninjaabc (2) - Raikaria, Serious Bananas
Raikaria (2) - Shadoweh, Conq
BT (1) - CF7
Not Voting: ActionDan
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With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
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##Unvote Vote will be back in a minute, just trying to figure this all out
the layers upon layers of misrepresentation and opportunism is almost impenetrable
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Where do I even start with this
How about with the origin of this madness
I can't even begin to understand the train of thought behind darkninja's posts. CF7 put this best:
This is pure, filtered and distilled paranoia.
The amount of buzzword-spewing, drug-fueled accusations in these posts are actually hard to read. I know I'm just being summarizingy and shit (and it's really bad on my part), but, really?:
you are merely being targeted because your trick is unnecessarily complicated and organized in a way that screams suspicion. why must it be an acrostic poem, why can't you remove every single vowel, why can't you type up a ridiculous case on how he loves catgirls and must die on nnr, and why, would you deliberately clarify from before and after your message that you are under caffeine influence when you pull this so called harmless 'tomfoolery'. there are many more relatively ''common'' means of making a funny post and your uncommon manner gives the impression of that you are completing a task, instead of having ''fun''
Reading through his later stuff, it's more coherent then this, but it's hard to take him really seriously.
Quicklynch argument was like....well, what to me. My entire point boils down to the fact that CF7 RVS is suspicious, and that even if it was a mislynch its okay to occur since its so early in the game anyway.
This comment is actually legit suspicious. Quicklynches are absolutely never ever good
It's hard to think Dark is town with these wildly irrational arguments he's posting.
[CF7's] swap in votes with a poorly formulated rationale behind while being the leading wagon on here is purely nonsensical. Is this some strategy to divert attention such that enough time can be mustered for someone else to be targetted rather than the scum?
Stuff like this just reads tinfoil hat wearing to me.
I actually insist that darkninja drop CF7 for a few posts and read other people. I want to see if he can post like a crazy person at other people or not.
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Surprisingly CF7 guts (and probably is) no better from what I immediately recall from the past several read-throughs.
I can sympathize with him for having to take the brunt of horribly written paranoia, but he sets off a ton of red flags with his counterarguments.
Note he calls the case suspicious here:
tl;dr Darkie's case is really badly written and he's the most suspicious so far.
So there. =)
And he continues this suspicion here...
I thought i was merely standing near the grave you're digging for yourself.
Darkie, i have a really strong urge to vote you for tryharding. But for now i'll assume that you're just a paranoid overzealous scum-hunter. And a failing one at that.
But where is his vote?
Oh. In that case.
##Vote NNR
Oh. It's still a jokevotepark on me. Huh. (Also that last quote is a really fun way to paint someone super scummy without actually voting them)
If you haven't read the previous games i participated in, i tend to
Hi meta-defense
Let's get to his vote change
You say that you're getting power-up by hammering. Yet you're placing the vote, that is actually second on my wagon. Clearly a contradiction on your part. So.
##Unvote
##Vote BT
This in itself is pretty bad because he's voting over rolespec and technicalities rather then having a good reason BT is actually scum.
And vote/unvote shenanigans just don't sit with me. It is likely a scum thing.
This is, like, an assumption, at best.
I rest my case.
Scumbag Steve called and wants his razor edge back. Explain the meaning of this empty but apparently clever post?
But i guess i can switch to Serela wagon, so my vote won't go to waste.
Why? This reads as bending under pressure because of bad votes.
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Page 2 just hurts my head. Let's go through the line of events.
-Raikaria jumps on dark for his nonsense
-Serela jumps on Raikaria for voting nonsense
-Mitsuki jumps on Serela for voting Raikaria
Raikaria's vote reads somewhat hypocritical because, as he explains, he frequently gets wagoned (presumably as town) for this logic.
Serela's vote assumes not!scum!dark, and Serela fails to actually reread before questioning the vote ("unless he actually did say that").
Mitsuki's vote looks like plain old misunderstanding.
I guess none of these votes are actually bad, just ED1Voting/Lack of Reading
BT's "contradictions" post (#44) actually is bad, because it's pretty blatant cherry picking from what I can tell, and he sneakily changes it to 'CF7 paints dark in a bad light", albeit I actually agree with that argument so I have no idea where I'm going with this read actually.
This is a really worthless post actually.
##Vote: CF7 until I can finish this reading and making less worthless posts. CF7 is the worst by far, so far as I've analyzed.
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Those are pretty good posts actually, you shouldn't put yourself down so much.
Also after his last posts I'd say Serela is def-town so look forward to that all game.
Let's start locking this game down.
Townie Voting Block: Conqueror, Neko, Mitt Serela, Darkninjaey, CF7,BT, SB
Lynchables: Everyone else
Please stop trying to disassemble my voting block before it was ever made and vote for not on this list.
(I was going to suggest lynching Dormio because I couldn't remember him posting any content >.> )
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Halftime Show
Song: Smoky Thrill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eKxLBVM_yg)
Conq (1) - Sky Paladin
Serela (1) - Mitsuki
CF7 (6) - Darkninjaabc, BT, Serela, Zakeri, Validon98, NekoNekoRex
Darkninjaabc (2) - Raikaria, Serious Bananas
Raikaria (2) - Shadoweh, Conq
BT (1) - CF7
Not Voting: ActionDan
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With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
CF7 is at L-2
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@PX I know you aren't prodding people, but if someone doesn't post for 48 hours are you going to at least ask if someone wants to replace in?
Sure
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Shadoweh totally forgot to put himself on the townie voting block. COINCIDENCE AMIRITE. ^____~
I have work all weekend so I didn't think I'd get back in time to check here. Actually I still have work and am just sneaking in between shifts.
Page 2 is all holy what is this about role shennanigans, I thought we weren't allowed to talk about that kind of thing. It's hard for me to meta-read people because I'm new here and everybody is a stranger basically. In my old mafia games we were allowed to PM each other; this looks like a whole different (and refreshing) play style. Drama is sooo~ooo delicious.
I just voted for Conqueror because he voted for me (maybe? I forget. I was so tired) and not from any mafia based reason. I'm happy to voteswitch or cancelvote. The guy with the rubber duck avatar put a pretty good post out, I think. If the phase is still going by the time I get back, I'll read it in depth.
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Also after his last posts I'd say Serela is def-town
:D
so look forward to that all game.
;_; Scum might decide to nightkill me, right? ...maybe? I'd actually almost be okay with it because I'd have the privilege of being worthy enough of an adversary to take out of the running first! I... I think scum nightkilled me early in a game one time. Once.
Also the last paragraph of Sky's post makes me giggle.
Shadoweh do you actually have ~*~reasons~*~ for voting anyone not on your list apart from "they aren't my town reads"? People usually care a little more about scumreads then townreads! D:
I actually insist that darkninja drop CF7 for a few posts and read other people. I want to see if he can post like a crazy person at other people or not.
I second this because it sounds like an amazing experiment (Also because I currently have no idea how to get a read on Darkie so anything is helpful)
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aghgahghh I forgot to disable the ugly toothy face smiley
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Shadoweh totally forgot to put himself on the townie voting block. COINCIDENCE AMIRITE. ^____~
I have work all weekend so I didn't think I'd get back in time to check here. Actually I still have work and am just sneaking in between shifts.
Page 2 is all holy what is this about role shennanigans, I thought we weren't allowed to talk about that kind of thing. It's hard for me to meta-read people because I'm new here and everybody is a stranger basically. In my old mafia games we were allowed to PM each other; this looks like a whole different (and refreshing) play style. Drama is sooo~ooo delicious.
You know, I normally remember to put my name first in stars. I better correct this.
Townie Voting Block: ~*~Shadoweh~*~ Conqueror, Neko, Mitt Serela, Darkninjaey, CF7,BT, SB
No one does PM's here because they are evil in mafia games, so we all fight publically and loudly. There's no rule against talking about roles and shenanigans, the rule is you can't quote your role pm or anything the mod sends you. If role shenanigans were a modkill offense no one would live past Day 2 on MotK >.>
Serela I'm not saying you're bad at mafia but I hope you're ready for a nice LYLO vacation. I have reasons for wanting to vote Raikaria. I have some people who I'd rather vote then others while some people like Sky Paladin are just null.
itt Serela has no teeth
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Pokemon/Dangan Ronpa/Skype/irl sure manages to delay posts.
I don't like Darkninja. He seems to have a basic grasp of how RVS works, but he's already talking about lynching someone for it? Also this is ringing alarm bells:
he knows that CF7 is town. His fixation with the idea that mislynching on day 1 isn't the end of the world isn't helping his case either. I agree with the concept, but in context it looks like an excuse to push CF7. I feel like I'm wording this badly, but shrug.
Refer to my earlier posts, I named CF7's RVS being unnecessarily complicated such that I doubt if it was actually harmless RVS.
I do not think CF7 is town by any means, but on that note I do feel the need to explain my dedication towards lynching him to everyone else since I strongly believe his suspicious behavior and all that implies will come back and bite us later.
On Conq: I would prefer to read him as scum atm, but my incentive to lynch cf7, due to his really disorganized and weird stance plus suspicious behavior, resounds over, so I will probably start detailing a case on raikaria once we finish d1.
*note probably doesn't necessitate must, i do reserve the right to read whoever i find the most scummy by then. :V
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Morning. Will write after reading everything post my last post in a bit.
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Darkninja are you using Google translate to write your posts? They don't.. parse right.
Why do you want to make a case on Raikaria? (Besides that he is scum) You just called Conq scummy, then went to wanting to make a case on who Conq is voting for, it doesn't make sense logically.
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Yes, at the time I did it I thought it was OK... but likewise I am aware that you guys tend to act badly towards that, and take it as a scumread. So now I'm taking it as a scumread... I'm impressionistic.
Probably one of the slimiest arguments I've ever heard. People have seen stuff I've done as town as scummy, thus now I'm going to read other people who do the same thing as scum? The bolded bit especially rings a bunch of alarms for me since Raikaria doesn't strike me as an appeasing player; see his willingness to push forth theories/lynches that no one else agreed with like the masons in Mirai Nikki mafia.
also shadoweh darkninja's post makes more sense if you read it as "@ Conq" instead of "On Conq," I assume it's a typo.
a lot of people need to make posts. i agree with shadoweh's list being a good starting place for reads.
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uhh I wanted to say something about CF7 given he's somehow at L-2, but the most helpful thing from him would probably just be to make an updated post that responds to the stuff people have brought up >_>
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I haven't really said anything because what is there to interject? I found the whole slapfight between CF7 and Dark dumb from the beginning, and now BT, Raikaria, and Serela are getting involved. It's kind of going over my head a little, but I can see the points against CF7.
what points about cf7 did you see?
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An oversight on your part, you forgot your own claim.
What is this?
"Your ability is scum"
"Why is it scum?"
"Because scum would use it this way."
"Then why does that make me scum if I'm not using it in a scum way"
"Because you forgot to be scum."
I suppose thinking about it, the fact that you're pulling this doesn't really indicate that you're scum, but if you're wondering why nobody is following along with you, here it is.
I could vote for [the lurkers] if we don't reach an agreement on who to vote by the end of the day.
Serela always pointed out that it's too early for lurker hunts, but why does putting a vote on a lurker now make it harder to consolidate lynch at the end of the day?
>"BT can be explained"
>votes BT
This actually isn't that bad of a point against CF7. It's just an observation of the unfortunate Debater's Paradox. basically, because BT put the most effort into his case, He's the one that's getting the rep for it's existence. This is why people should be more weary of sheepers.
Re:Voting block/Lynching Dormio:
Well, due to how signups happened, I'm Dormio, so if you really wanted to.
I'm already getting to the part where I don't feel good about the major wagons
CF7 needs an update before I change my mind on him though.
Ninja is hard to parse, but after reading a few times, I don't think he called Conq scummy, I think he's just respond /to/ conq. I remember conqueror asking who his other scum reads are and "Raikaria" was his answer to that.
Aside from the insistance that CF7 is scum, there's nothing really suspicious about Ninja, so I'm not comfortable with the wagon on him.
Also, I'm willfully ignorant of the case on Raikaria because it seems like another case of can't please anybody. I feel he's been self-concious enough about getting wagoned on day one that appeasment isn't the hard scumtell that Conq is painting it as.
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Scumbag Steve called and wants his razor edge back. Explain the meaning of this empty but apparently clever post?
Why? This reads as bending under pressure because of bad votes.
It was "I am fed up with this. Do what you want"
Potential vote for Serela because i'm not suicidal and kind of want to see some other wagon that is not me.
Refer to my earlier posts, I named CF7's RVS being unnecessarily complicated such that I doubt if it was actually harmless RVS.
I do not think CF7 is town by any means, but on that note I do feel the need to explain my dedication towards lynching him to everyone else since I strongly believe his suspicious behavior and all that implies will come back and bite us later.
Omg. More paranoia. How i am supposed to defend against this?
On Conq: I would prefer to read him as scum atm, but my incentive to lynch cf7, due to his really disorganized and weird stance plus suspicious behavior, resounds over, so I will probably start detailing a case on raikaria once we finish d1.
*note probably doesn't necessitate must, i do reserve the right to read whoever i find the most scummy by then. :V
Can someone translate that for me? Because my brain sort of short circuits on this.
Anyway thoughts.
NNR is likely town, i'm not sure why, but usually i read him as town. As is Shadoweh.
I'm still unsure about BT. Maybe i'm just prejudiced against a hammering role. But okay, he might be town.
Darkie keeps insisting that i'm baaaaad. His overall behaviour
Serela. Tbh, what ticks me off is his sort of opportunistic jump on my wagon without much reasoning. Later he tries to justify it, while saying that yes his jump was not really justified, but now my defense is so bad and i'm likely scum, so Serela can keep his vote on me. Tbh, i think that's a scum tell.
Can't say much about sky paladin, but as he's basically dark horse here he might swing either way.
Validon/Mitsuki pretty much null atm.
Zak. Aside from jump on my wagon based on BT pointing to contradiction in my posts can't say much about him. Probably town.
Raikaria looks... town'ish.
In the light of the above.
I'll vote for either Serela or Darkie unless he does something about his paranoia.
Also i'm the glorious ~Vanilla Townie~. Again. How come i'm playing role madness game and i'm a VT again? It's a fucking conspiracy...
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Darkie keeps insisting that i'm baaaaad. His overall behavior
His overall behavior is just tunneling on me while ignoring anything else.
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Also i'm the glorious ~Vanilla Townie~. Again. How come i'm playing role madness game and i'm a VT again? It's a fucking conspiracy...
hmm, before i say anything else, please claim your character and role name.
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My character is on your current avatar. And i'm an Idol of course.
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Would like to drop by for a quick apology on the intelligibility of my posts. As I am not a native speaker, I tend to screw up my grammar royally when I stop paying attention to my work, which is rather common when one is using the internet. :V
(I did not call conq scum, but the mysterious ''on conq'' thing was actually a paragraph starting with ''on the subject of wagoning raikaria''.....which was ultimately cut short due to real life kicking in. Resulting in that pure, distilled !@#$.)
-CF7 your vanilla townie claim isn't convincing at all. Its missing out on all the important details. We want to know what your role does, on what conditions, etc. Which you are deliberately hiding from us
-Shadoweh, google translate sucks
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OK, I'm awake, I've done IRL stuff I need to do, and now I'm re-reading the mafia threat to see about many things, particularly the CF7 case.
Firstly, I'm not going to entertain the start of D1 and CF7's mantra and Darkninja's silly note for it. I've spoken enough about that already and I don't think it is indicative of scum.
Darkie's case moves more to being based on CF7's reactions to the initital vote. While I can see these reactions as 'Uh; no, this is why I'm doing it' and Darkninja's wording of his case, as I put before, gave off the impression he was saying something along the lines of; 'lynch this guy now', it does seem a little bit too guarded.
@ the above.
tl;dr
Whatever.
Don't like this attitude.
Oh. In that case.
##Vote NNR
Wait; what case?
BT's Number 44 makes good points I agree with. He puts it better than I would (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1032604.html#msg1032604)
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1032782.html#msg1032782 (http://CF7's response is bad...) because CF7 had repeatedly said that Darkninja was the most suspicious player. RVS misunderstandings or not, if that's the case you should vote them; not someone who you don't even make a case on after saying someone else is scummy multiple times. And then the BT vote just smells of OMGUS.
I've already mentioned that the hammering part of the role BT claimed is non-indicative of alignment.
Everyone points out the flaws on CF7's case. His response?
I rest my case.
But i guess i can switch to Serela wagon, so my vote won't go to waste.
Openly admitting he'll just wagon hop so his vote doesn't 'Go to waste'.
Also i'm the glorious ~Vanilla Townie~.
Yeah... no. If anything this is a good reason to lynch you. Either you have some hidden power even you don't know about that likely works on lynch, or you're scum who can't think up a good fakeclaim because this is Role Madness. I think the latter is more likely.
##Vote: CF7
Note: CF7 is at L-1, but BT claimed his role does something when someone hammers. Please do not vote until BT has unvoted.
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-CF7 your vanilla townie claim isn't convincing at all. Its missing out on all the important details. We want to know what your role does, on what conditions, etc. Which you are deliberately hiding from us
Yeah... no. If anything this is a good reason to lynch you. Either you have some hidden power even you don't know about that likely works on lynch, or you're scum who can't think up a good fakeclaim because this is Role Madness. I think the latter is more likely.
Have you forgotten what VT does? Let me remind you. Nothing. Nada. Zero. Zilch. Should i continue? Or maybe you got the idea?
Oh, right, sorry. I forgot. Townies are expendable. And Vanilla Townies are more expendable than the others.
Also will my vote against myself will count? At least i can deny him his power-up out of spite.
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DON'T HAMMER YOURSELF
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Do you even realize why a VT claim is bad?
VT's don't even exist in Role Madness. Everyone has some kind of power.
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And for the what feels like the 3rd time; a role which has to do with hammering is non-indicative of alignment. In fact, the fact that BT went and outed it so early indicates it's more likely to be a town role; IMO.
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BT is already on your wagon so he can't hammer you, relax a little.
What kind of fucking scum would claim VT in role madness, as if there needed to be further reason to lynch Raikaria into the god damn ground.
UNVOTE CF7
VOTE RAIKARIA
THERE WILL BE CAKE AFTER THE LYNCH
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Do you even realize why a VT claim is bad?
VT's don't even exist in Role Madness. Everyone has some kind of power.
I do.
I have 1 power. It's passive. It has no effect on night actions or day's voting process. So technically i'm VT.
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Would like to drop by for a quick apology on the intelligibility of my posts. As I am not a native speaker, I tend to screw up my grammar royally when I stop paying attention to my work, which is rather common when one is using the internet. :V
(I did not call conq scum, but the mysterious ''on conq'' thing was actually a paragraph starting with ''on the subject of wagoning raikaria''.....which was ultimately cut short due to real life kicking in. Resulting in that pure, distilled !@#$.)
It's okay, everyone else read it properly. It makes sense now.
-CF7 your vanilla townie claim isn't convincing at all. Its missing out on all the important details. We want to know what your role does, on what conditions, etc. Which you are deliberately hiding from us
-Shadoweh, google translate sucks
That makes this post more adorable. For Darkninja's benefit: Vanilla Townie is the plain role with no special abilities. It means he is claiming not to have any.
Cut: Wait, you're a vanilla townie with an ability? O_o what does it do
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I do.
I have 1 power. It's passive. It has no effect on night actions or day's voting process. So technically i'm VT.
That's not an ability then if it has absolutely no effect on the game.
Even if it's passive it has to effect something, like if you're targeted by something.
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It allows me to ignore this little rule.
Do not post during night unless a role allows
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I'm on my phone between lectures so I can't read what's going on. I saw stuff about hammers, though. ##Unvote
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It's (Slightly Past) 9:02 PM (In Australia)
Song: 9:02 PM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzW5D_0tXAQ)
Conq (1) - Sky Paladin
Serela (1) - Mitsuki
CF7 (6) - Darkninjaabc, Serela, Zakeri, Validon98, NekoNekoRex, Raikaria
Darkninjaabc (2) - Serious Bananas
Raikaria (2) - Conq, Shadoweh
BT (1) - CF7
Not Voting: ActionDan, BT
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With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
CF7 is at L-2
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##Unvote
Well, I reread the whole thing and I don't have much to say either. Serela seems a lot better now that I've paid close attention to what he's saying.
I don't know what to think about CF7. There is something that makes me lean towards town, but it's minor:
And where's that guilt you're speaking of?
I think that scum would assume there's part of guilt on what someone else is saying about them. CF7 didn't do that and even directly asked that, it just looks like prideful town who doesn't understand the case on him.
There have also been some things I haven't liked about him while I was reading, but I think that all of them are null. His claim didn't seem believable at first (when I began typing this all) but now it doesn't seem fake. Still, he should claim his role name the way it was given to him.
Replies:
What do you think of Validon's vote?
Nothing in particular. I'd like him to specify which points he doesn't agree with, but that's all.
Serela always pointed out that it's too early for lurker hunts, but why does putting a vote on a lurker now make it harder to consolidate lynch at the end of the day?
When did I say that? (o_o) I just said that I didn't want to vote lurkers now.
I'll vote and give my reasoning for my vote later. It takes time for me to write, and I think it's important to post this right now.
By the way, I'm playing alone.
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Huh. That role usually has a name called Insomniac. It's kind of weird that you'd be marked as a VT with it. Even a rainbow colored one.
Mitsuki I will forgive you if you ~*~vote raikaria~*~ with me
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Tbh, it does a little bit more than that. It allows anyone to speak during the night. As it is we have everyone as an Insomniac atm. But that's really it.
Anyway i've been sitting on BT vote for some time and i think it's not doing me or BT any good.
##Unvote
I'll go and reread the thread, i guess.
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CF7, please claim your role name as it was given to you.
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Can we please not lynch CF7, I want to have nighttalk ;;
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I've reread the thread. So since the sky is falling, i guess, i can go full paranoia mode here.
My gut feeling tells me you are scum, and my guts never lie.
clearly only town can be this repulsive
Considering the stuff going on i don't like this one bit. Even if it's a RVS joke. Every joke has something in it, that is actually true.
You think CF7 is slapfighting town? Why?
Subtly pushing me as a not-town.
Quicklynch argument was like....well, what to me. My entire point boils down to the fact that CF7 RVS is suspicious, and that even if it was a mislynch its okay to occur since its so early in the game anyway.
Bolded for emphasis.
cf7 your point on bt is dumb; find another vote. even if i got powers from hammering i'd sure as hell be voting before deadline to show where i wanted to lynch.
What i really meant was "i suspect him/her and will vote for him/her, but since i want my "bonus for hammering"? i'll wait and place my vote when it's L-1"
He also says gaining his ability by hammering is weird for a townie. Not really? In Touhou NOCfia on SF I got extra shots of part of my role by hammering a player I scanned as guilty.
I can understand conditional hammering bonuses. I can understand that the role can even be town. Yet BT just said that he gets something out of hammering. It's kind of weird tbh. Why announce it in the first post? To paint yourself as a target for scum? Because really what scum wants a townie who's getting stronger and stronger with each passing day?
His BT vote is just too BLUH and he needs to get rid of it immediately and do something else regardless of alignment.
...it's also occured to me I'm being way more aggressive then I usually am, but it's making d1 be fun instead of a painful gross mess so I'll just roll with it `-`
Votes on BT are bad.
And he admits that he plays differently than his usual play. Which iirc he was town before. Which in turn raises questions about his alignment.
I think that scum would assume there's part of guilt on what someone else is saying about them. CF7 didn't do that and even directly asked that, it just looks like prideful town who doesn't understand the case on him.
Do you like cookies? Can i give you a cookie? Because that's how it went. Even if you can call that um... abomination a "case".
CF7, please claim your role name as it was given to you.
I am Chihaya Kisaragi.
So. Either i am wrong on all accounts and can't read people at all, or there's a scum here somewhere. Darkie, Serela and BT. Maybe all 3, which is unlikely, but still possible.
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oh geez, I'm glad we haven't hammered yet, I still wanted to actually discuss things.
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CF7, I meant role name, not character name.
My entire point boils down to the fact that CF7 RVS is suspicious
I've just noticed this. I went back to check and no, CF7's vote on NNR didn't count. As I said before, it doesn't make sense to deduce CF7 has a conditional powerup role if the way he placed his vote wasn't taken into account by the mod. Darkie, what do you think about that?
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I have read page 1. Dark is town.
bbl later for now. let's not do rash things until then.
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as in, got shit to do since my parents rely on me.
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CF7's claiming shenanigans are the weirdest thing ever (I'm a vanilla townie, oh my role name, it's just idol, oh no everyone's yelling at me uh I'm a vanilla townie with one little power nevermind, oh wait you want to actually know what it is, uh okay it makes me insomniac, I mean uh it makes EVERYONE insomniac that's cool right) but I guess it's super confirmable? Not that it doesn't mean he can be scum but it's still odd
But seriously, if you're going to claim, you CLAIM. And you especially don't claim HAVING ABSOLUTELY NO POWERS when you ACTUALLY HAVE POWERS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID OF CLAIMING (I have no idea why someone would ever be afraid of claiming insomniac, so)
While I'm somewhat tempted to let him live for a day just to see if it's true, this is the most unbelievable string of events I have ever seen, so
(that being said we're not hammering immediately because there's actually still delicious discussion to be had, it's funny considering I usually want the day ended sooner the better)
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Hey ActionDan,
Earlier you voted for Mitsuki, and said something like, "I'm totally going to explain my vote later." But you cancelled your vote. Is there something you can say about it now?
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Further to that: I didn't get the memo saying 'can post during commercial break'. I assume there'll be some kind of update during the break to let us know that we're allowed to talk due to the insomniac ability, if what CF7 is saying is true. Otherwise, how would I know that I was allowed to talk at night?
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responding to cf7 quotewall
Subtly pushing me as a not-town.
Um no, asking people why they think you're slapfighting town when he thinks otherwise is a totally legit question!
Yet BT just said that he gets something out of hammering. It's kind of weird tbh. Why announce it in the first post? To paint yourself as a target for scum?
In Role Madness scum can just assume everyone has some kind of power, so it's not that bad to claim you have something- although obviously you wouldn't want to claim what it -is-
Votes on BT are bad.
And he admits that he plays differently than his usual play. Which iirc he was town before. Which in turn raises questions about his alignment.
You vote on BT was bad because your reason to vote him was pure -what-. Everyone who's commented on it pretty much agrees (albiet I remember one person who tried to justify it from a town!CF7 point of view, they still didn't agree it was a good reason iirc)
And as for the second part (about me), different from usual =/= different alignment from usual. When I'm scum I tend to fall to pieces shortly into the game and fail with ever doing anything decent >_>; Good scum games are rare occurrences for me, although one happened not too long ago. But yeah if you're going to try to use this as a reason I'm scum sorry but actually looking at past games would prove it wrong
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Ughh not being able to hit edit is a pain.
What I mean to say is: CF7's claim is easily tested. We'll know during the commercial break if we can talk or not. I think that if he was scum, he would claim another, harder to verify role.
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Ughh not being able to hit edit is a pain.
What I mean to say is: CF7's claim is easily tested. We'll know during the commercial break if we can talk or not. I think that if he was scum, he would claim another, harder to verify role.
scum could also be able to actually make it happen in some way (such as him actually having that role)
PX's last RM game had some of the most ridiculous roles, I wouldn't put it past him. CF7 isn't confirmed to be town even if we can all actually talk at night.
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CF7's claiming shenanigans are the weirdest thing ever (I'm a vanilla townie, oh my role name, it's just idol, oh no everyone's yelling at me uh I'm a vanilla townie with one little power nevermind, oh wait you want to actually know what it is, uh okay it makes me insomniac, I mean uh it makes EVERYONE insomniac that's cool right) but I guess it's super confirmable? Not that it doesn't mean he can be scum but it's still odd
But seriously, if you're going to claim, you CLAIM. And you especially don't claim HAVING ABSOLUTELY NO POWERS when you ACTUALLY HAVE POWERS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID OF CLAIMING (I have no idea why someone would ever be afraid of claiming insomniac, so)
I said i am a VT. Technically a VT. Since i don't have any active powers that influence the game, which fits the description of VT. And it doesn't contradict itself. It only expands previous claim.
Since it's my claim, i think i'm free to claim information i want. I'm just used not to reveal any personal information at all. So i just was cautious not to reveal too much information so it will violate rules.
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In Role Madness scum can just assume everyone has some kind of power, so it's not that bad to claim you have something- although obviously you wouldn't want to claim what it -is-
Still i think it's counter-productive for a town player to claim this. Because if i were scum i would want to kill a townie that gets almost guaranteed bonuses by hammering.
scum could also be able to actually make it happen in some way (such as him actually having that role)
And the point of this scum!role is?
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VT means no powers period, if you have a power you are not a VT, this is like super basics stuff here :C
Insomniac is actually a pretty good power if used well!
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CF7 STOP IGNORING ME AND CLAIM YOUR ROLE NAME AS IT WAS GIVEN TO YOU! (?__________?)
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CF7, I meant role name, not character name.
I am the Goddess of Singing.
VT means no powers period, if you have a power you are not a VT, this is like super basics stuff here :C
Insomniac is actually a pretty good power if used well!
But as long as this power is active which coincidentally is tied to me being alive, everyone has the same power, which basically become basic for everyone (woah tautology here), so technically i don't have any powers that are not shared by anyone else and therefore... let's just stop here. Even tho i enjoy some sophism here and there...
Also
##Vote Serela
Since his answers only strengthened my conviction.
/cut
I just did.
Fixed
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Oh... I screwed up quote tags.
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Oh God, I can finally wake up after the sun rises!
Song: Ohayou! Asagohan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPhlJ8RdNvg)
Conq (1) - Sky Paladin
CF7 (6) - Darkninjaabc, Serela, Zakeri, Validon98, NekoNekoRex, Raikaria
Darkninjaabc (1) - Serious Bananas
Raikaria (2) - Conq, Shadoweh
Serela (1) - CF7
Not Voting: ActionDan, BT, Mitsuki
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With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
CF7 is at L-2
Friendly reminder that players are allowed the ask the mod all questions, even if I may refuse for balance reasons. Just don't ask for my 3 sizes :blush:
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Maybe I missed something obvious, but it seems Serious Banana's has a x2 vote? All the players are accounted for in the voting tally now, so there's no invisible voter power.
No idea what you're talking about :derp:
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Mitsuki I will forgive you if you ~*~vote raikaria~*~ with me
I admit that I should read him better as now I don't know if he's just being Raikaria or if he's actually scummy. But right now I want to
##Vote: Zakeri
Serela always pointed out that it's too early for lurker hunts, but why does putting a vote on a lurker now make it harder to consolidate lynch at the end of the day?
I don't like the way he misunderstood what I said and asked about it; it just felt like he was looking for excuses to vote someone other than CF7.
He just has 4 posts with almost no content. He picked BT's reasoning when voting CF7. I understand that there wasn't much to say when he placed his vote, but I'd expect him to bring up something on his own by now.
He's also somehow contradictory on his last post:
This actually isn't that bad of a point against CF7. It's just an observation of the unfortunate Debater's Paradox. basically, because BT put the most effort into his case, He's the one that's getting the rep for it's existence. This is why people should be more weary of sheepers.
Here he thinks that what BT brought up is a relevant point against CF7 and he explains it.
I'm already getting to the part where I don't feel good about the major wagons
CF7 needs an update before I change my mind on him though.
But here he says he's beginning not to like the CF7 wagon.
It's not that much but considering that he's only made 4 posts and that he's supposed to be a good player I think this all is meaningful enough to vote him.
Also, as a separate thing: Zakeri, could you please claim your character name? (I won't ask anyone else to claim character name, but now I might bring up a relevant point depending on what he claims)
I am the Goddess of Singing.
I wanted to see if CF7 made up some weird role name, and he hasn't.
His claim is very easy to prove and it gives an advantage to town regardless of his alignment, so I think people voting him should reconsider and postpone the lynch.
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Agh, I've been so busy I haven't really had time to look at things and read. I'm sorry. ;~;
As for my reasons for voting CF7, it was for how his posts about Dark were contradictory in terms of both saying he was being silly and then later implying he was scum. It was someone else's reasoning, I believe. Of course, now that he has claimed... yeah, I don't know. His power is definitely easily tested, so sure, let's not lynch him for tonight.
##Unvote
When I have time later, I'll reread. Again, argh, so busy.
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By ''not convincing'' I mean as in "this is ridiculous''.
At the moment, we should lynch CF7 for d1.
Up till now, CF7 responses to our cases are vague, disorganized and do not coordinate to his actions, even when he actually touched L-1. When asked to claim, he again went the weird route and pulled a gradient colour vanilla claim in a goddamn role madness game? Did you seriously expect us to believe that? Were you a townie, wouldn't it be easier and more convincing were you to simply name the full name, title and ability of your role and the thought process behind your contradictory case and votes and allow us to deem whether it makes sense or not? All your deliberate acts of concealing your intentions only make you reek more of scum. If anything, at least make a response to everyone's doubts on you.
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Another interesting thing to note is how Rai originally jumped on me, then swapped to the CF7 leading wagon when he's nearly a goner. Your arguments along the way are also pretty forced, suggesting that instead of actually making a push for your objective, you are more of showing the incentive to make a push for said objective. In other words, you are bussing. Please clearly explain your thought process to us.
I understand that discussion should go on more, but my vote is definitely staying where it is.
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Darkie, did my cat piss in your shoes or something? Because right now you're being unreasonable. Or is this berserk behavior your normal behavior?
I fully claimed my role, i don't have any abilities that can bite you or anyone. If you don't want to talk at night then go ahead.
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Huh. That role usually has a name called Insomniac. It's kind of weird that you'd be marked as a VT with it. Even a rainbow colored one.
uh shadoweh our roles aren't 'marked' or named
is that a scum thing or are you high
Considering the stuff going on i don't like this one bit. Even if it's a RVS joke. Every joke has something in it, that is actually true.
Oh it is true, like I said. I thought the way he immediately started rolespeccing for scum roles in a role madness game is completely warped for scum to do. It's similar to the reason I was wavering on you in my last content post.
I'm actually trying to explain why it's warped right now and failing. Maybe it's more how he did it. "oh you must be one of those scum roles" is totally town playing their first online game (check the rpg thread for reference).
I can understand conditional hammering bonuses. I can understand that the role can even be town. Yet BT just said that he gets something out of hammering. It's kind of weird tbh. Why announce it in the first post? To paint yourself as a target for scum? Because really what scum wants a townie who's getting stronger and stronger with each passing day?
Actually since it'll be revealed anyway I'll say it right now, you can tell from how I worded my reveal that it takes several hammers for me to activate my power. No way I'd be achieving that without letting everyone know and cooperate. It's either make yourself a kind-of target for scum but eventually get an ability or do nothing and stay vanilla. It's an obvious choice.
So. Either i am wrong on all accounts and can't read people at all, or there's a scum here somewhere. Darkie, Serela and BT. Maybe all 3, which is unlikely, but still possible.
Town, town, town. Not gonna lie, this entire post was pretty bad but I think it's the null kind of bad at this point. The think Mitsuki raised and his response to it are good examples of why, he's probably town playing badly.
Though I still want you to answer me why you didn't react to my role when I revealed it if you apparently had some prejudice against that kind of role.
But seriously, if you're going to claim, you CLAIM. And you especially don't claim HAVING ABSOLUTELY NO POWERS when you ACTUALLY HAVE POWERS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE AFRAID OF CLAIMING (I have no idea why someone would ever be afraid of claiming insomniac, so)
I guess he just wanted to be technical about him being "VT" because by his definition his ability is 100% passive and doesn't count.
Oh he makes this exact reply later, I guess that's cool.
And the point of this scum!role is?
Technically speaking: the point of it would be for you to be able to make this argument. It's a "why would scum have this role" scum role.
(CF7 saying this would probably make no sense if he actually had the role as scum right now so more town points here yo)
##Vote Serela
Since his answers only strengthened my conviction.
Tell me why. Serela is semi-obvious town at this point imho (though I guess it's mostly a meta thing).
I burst out laughing from CF7's last post. Dark, you're sure CF7 is scum and you're going from there when your basis for doing so isn't nearly as strong to make such a move accurate. Try ~resetting~ and looking at things again.
##Vote Raikaria
This is momentarily a gut vote from his recent interactions with CF7. I'll try reading into his play some more now.
(we still have time - I'll unvote and hammer later)
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So first, what made me vote. Pretty telling that Rai's 'reread' sums up to a runthrough of CF7's posts and why they look bad. Why thank you much. A big influence is how he said
Yeah... no. If anything this is a good reason to lynch you. Either you have some hidden power even you don't know about that likely works on lynch, or you're scum who can't think up a good fakeclaim because this is Role Madness. I think the latter is more likely.
since the bit about 'a hidden power even you don't know about' just reads bad to me, it's like he considers CF7 fully claimed and is looking for answers why his claim is what it is. If you really did think his role was hiding something why not inquire about it instead of drawing conclusions like this?
VT's don't even exist in Role Madness. Everyone has some kind of power.
Like, this matter-of-fact approach is how scum would approach this. What I linked earlier is exactly how I think scum would react to a nonsensical VT claim from someone they know is town.
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In essence instead of trying to get reactions out of CF7 in real time about his weird claim he tacks it on to his votepost because hey this is something I can use. That's the feeling I get from that.
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Pretty telling that Rai's 'reread' sums up to a runthrough of CF7's posts and why they look bad. Why thank you much. A big influence is how he saidsince the bit about 'a hidden power even you don't know about' just reads bad to me, it's like he considers CF7 fully claimed and is looking for answers why his claim is what it is.
I've seen roles before where they don't tell you everything. Things like Millers. I can't recall if this game was ever stated to not be bastard.
The rules don't say anything about it either way.
Actually:
@ Mod: Can you rule out bastard elements or not? I cannot recall you doing either way before.
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There should not be any bastard elements. If you are unsure, ask the mod
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I said i am a VT. Technically a VT. Since i don't have any active powers that influence the game, which fits the description of VT. And it doesn't contradict itself. It only expands previous claim.
derp. actually, any role that has a power other than the standard voting and talking in the thread during the day is not a vt. just a bit of advice for future games, since this is reminding me of what happened last game. :V
pretty sure cf7 is town now since I think the way that played out would have been...cleaner as scum. >_>
I normally don't think dropping someone is that scummy, but the way raikaria drops darkninja to move to cf7 for ??? is completely unconvincing. and like bt said, it looks like raikaria basically went through cf7's posts and told us why they're scummy instead of trying to read cf7's posts and get his alignment that way.
Wait; what case?
not to mention his points like this one are LOL. seriously this is raitaki from town mafia all over again; blatant word nitpicking at stuff out of context.
Yeah... no. If anything this is a good reason to lynch you. Either you have some hidden power even you don't know about that likely works on lynch, or you're scum who can't think up a good fakeclaim because this is Role Madness. I think the latter is more likely.
1) why would having a hidden power make him scum?
2) i thought the vt claim out of nowhere was more townish than not myself. it adds nothing to his survivability. in a role madness game, wouldn't he try to go for something that would draw a counterclaim or something that would stop people from lynching him?
3) did the mod say somewhere this is role madness? I see people assuming it but like does it actually say somewhere that everyone has a role?
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While I'm somewhat tempted to let him live for a day just to see if it's true, this is the most unbelievable string of events I have ever seen, so
(that being said we're not hammering immediately because there's actually still delicious discussion to be had, it's funny considering I usually want the day ended sooner the better)
SERELA DO YOU THINK CF7 IS SCUM OR NOT
ALSO DON'T YOU REMEMBER THE TREE STUMP DEBACLE FROM LAST GAME THIS DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO THAT
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SERELA DO YOU THINK CF7 IS SCUM OR NOT
ALSO DON'T YOU REMEMBER THE TREE STUMP DEBACLE FROM LAST GAME THIS DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO THAT
I THOUGHT IT WAS OBVIOUS THE ANSWER IS YES
AND OH GOD WHY ;_;
(I also want to keep my brain half turned off because it's d1 and doing that so far has made it so much easier for me to actually post, I'm not lurking through d1 and not having cases like I normally do!)
(Maybe I should reread Raikaria though because on gut I'd kinda lynching him/her too, but that's purely gut)
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I THOUGHT IT WAS OBVIOUS THE ANSWER IS YES
AND OH GOD WHY ;_;
(I also want to keep my brain half turned off because it's d1 and doing that so far has made it so much easier for me to actually post, I'm not lurking through d1 and not having cases like I normally do!)
(Maybe I should reread Raikaria though because on gut I'd kinda lynching him/her too, but that's purely gut)
male
go see a doctor, with any luck you won't be diagnosed with the NNR
turning head off is bad, you sheeped the rest of my posts so at least read my last few ones and tell me how you feel about CF7
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Confirming that this game is role madness, everybody has a role with an ability, and there is no functional vanilla
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Responding to BT's #94:
SB's post bothers me. For its content. His point on Dark bothers me because no, that doesn't really imply he thought CF7 was town. His point on Conq bothers me because no, that one line on Dark shouldn't be screaming 'buddying' at you. His point on Mitsuki bothers me because no, taking into account other people's reads like that is fine.
I interpretted what Dark said that he wanted to lynch someone suspicious (CF7) so that scum couldn't use them as a mislynch later on. Looking back over it, I can kind of see the other side to it now. I felt like Conq was buddying due to how the entirity of his Raikaria suspicion was based on his attack on Dark, and how much he kept getting brought up in the post. Taking other people's reads into account is one thing, but Mitsuki pretty much says that "Shadoweh reads Serela well", so it makes it Shadoweh's fault that Mitsuki voted for Serela, if Serela flips town. She also doesn't really give an explanation of why Serela is worse than everyone else in that post, she just asserts that he is.
Raikaria's response to my criticisms bugs me.
Yes, at the time I did it I thought it was OK... but likewise I am aware that you guys tend to act badly towards that, and take it as a scumread. So now I'm taking it as a scumread... I'm impressionistic.
You're missing the point. You did it as town in the past and got mislynched for it, and now you're calling it scummy because of how other people have responded to it in the past, rather than what YOU think of it.
The majority of NNR's #104 looks like a retelling more than anything else. I'm not fond of it.
Shadoweh's #114 bugs me. You can find multiple people who suspect each other scummy, can't you? It's possible that it could be a bus, and shouldn't be written off so quickly.
Zak's #118 looks kind of like he's overreacting to the 2 MAN STRONG DARK WAGON and doesn't really give scumreads aside from CF7. Do you have any others?
CF7's #119 attack on Serela is bad. It's like he's suspecting Serela for voting him and then still finding him scummy after new posts, but apparently Zak is alright? Why is Zak so different?
Disagree in #128 that outing is definitely a towntell, because town and mafia both want to gain their abilities. Don't think that the suggestion is scummy though.
Maybe I missed something obvious, but it seems Serious Banana's has a x2 vote? All the players are accounted for in the voting tally now, so there's no invisible voter power.
I'm just that good.
I think that the CF7 claim mishap is a null tell if nothing else, I think he could've been scum panicking and claimed way too early with no teammates around to help his claim sound believable, but it might just be another treestump incident. The infinite nighttalk thing is a null tell imo, like Conq having the Neighborizing role last game, there's nothing to say that it isn't his only ability, and I still think his earlier play was bad.
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I need to stop putting this shit off, seriously, I am terrible.
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Also, as a separate thing: Zakeri, could you please claim your character name? (I won't ask anyone else to claim character name, but now I might bring up a relevant point depending on what he claims)
Forget about this, it was all a HUGE misunderstanding;;;
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Agh I'm suffering trying to read this game here.
##Unvote CF7 no longer looks like scum to me, mostly because his claim is flailing bad, which reminds me of the Tree Stump thing from last game (although that's already been compared, but w/e)
@CF7: That would make you a Night Talk Enabler, if you really want a title for your role.
Anyway
I want to vote Serela because a lot of his posts look like sheep behavior, but my Gut isn't really there.
I need to ISO more people (and actually get it done now), but one thing I do want to do in the meantime:
##Vote: Darkninja
Dude seriously, stop the goddamn tunneling. It's getting grating watching you post blocks of text on the guy and have next to nothing to say about anyone else.
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I'm so sad. I was going to scream at people for how this is exactly like what happened last game
Especially at Serela
AND CONQ ALREADY BEAT ME TO IT WHAT AM I EVEN HERE FOR?!
Serela if you aren't unvoting CF7 and going after someone else by your next post I will spend the night listening to a symphony of your screams. Idc who at this point but your brain has to turn on long enough to sheep someone (hint IT SHOULD BE ME)
SB: Considering he wasn't actually talking about Conq being scummy I don't believe I was incorrect. I don't think voting for someone your suspects are voting for is scummy exactly, it's more that people do it alot without thinking about it. I've been firmly in the Ninja-town camp since ED1.
I also don't think this claim debacle is null at all. Consider what happened last game with CF7 getting lynched because his roleclaim was so confusing no one wanted to think about it. As scum in the very next game, do you really think he would claim a bunch of confusing things again? All it does is have the potential to make everyone mad and want to lynch him again, and scum generally want to impress on you that their claim is work keeping them alive over. It's really town. Come vote Raikaria, that Ninja wagon is never happening.
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Neko what did I just say? >:< THAT IS OFF-LIMITS
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Approaching the end of the episode!
Song: Town (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRktFXNkr0)
Conq (1) - Sky Paladin
CF7 (4) - Darkninjaabc, Serela, Zakeri, Raikaria
Darkninjaabc (2) - Serious Bananas, NekoNekoRex
Raikaria (3) - Conq, Shadoweh, BT
Serela (1) - CF7
Zakeri (1) - Mitsuki
Not Voting: ActionDan, Validon
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With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
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Why should I vote Raikaria? Aside from his hypocritical vote?
I don't really like Mitsuki. Her (His? gdi update your profile) posts before the Zakerei vote were pretty bad. Aside from the suggestion of a lurker lynch a suncycle into the game (which I also find sour), her reasons are full of generalities ("Serela is jumping on easy votes", "Serela is just worse"), and she was making pretty uninformed votes.
Don't really like the Zak case too much either. The last point on the contradiction is really stretching it, I could see him agreeing with a point but disagreeing with the whole wagon. The point that he has little content followed by a big content post is a bit hypocritical, since the vote itself is the longest Mitsuki's really had this game.
I want to know why Mitsuki wanted Zak to nameclaim too.
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I read Conq's blurb on Raikaria now and I would totes sheep that, actually.
I just really want Dark to do something new.
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I'm sorry guys I don't think I'll have anything to offer D1. Brutal day today. Brutal day tomorrow in all likelihood.
Don't want to vote Dark, CF7 based on page 1 + what I saw of the claim.
I'll sheep whatever you want me to sheep besides those 2. meter is at 32% which we all know will decrease slowly from now till day end whenever that is so maybe I'll have a min to read stuff later.
I'll vote for who Mitsuki is voting. Also if some guy asked me about why I voted Mitsuki, uh, no comment. the issue has resolved itself.
##Vote Zakeri
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DAN
VOTE FOR RAIKARIA
ZAKERI WAGON ISN'T GONNA GOD DAMN HAPPEN AT THIS POINT IN THE DAY
LET'S GET ON A SOLID TRAIN PEOPLE DAMNIT
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Why should I vote Raikaria? Aside from his hypocritical vote?
I don't really like Mitsuki. Her (His? gdi update your profile) posts before the Zakerei vote were pretty bad. Aside from the suggestion of a lurker lynch a suncycle into the game (which I also find sour), her reasons are full of generalities ("Serela is jumping on easy votes", "Serela is just worse"), and she was making pretty uninformed votes.
Don't really like the Zak case too much either. The last point on the contradiction is really stretching it, I could see him agreeing with a point but disagreeing with the whole wagon. The point that he has little content followed by a big content post is a bit hypocritical, since the vote itself is the longest Mitsuki's really had this game.
I want to know why Mitsuki wanted Zak to nameclaim too.
I'm very manly, and Vhaltz is totally gay for me.
I was busy, so I did what I could with my free time. Of course my posts were terrible. If you want to think I have any other reasons to make terrible posts with huge generalizations and such go ahead, but it'd be nice if you look at what I'm doing from now on instead of that.
You also misunderstood me, what I meant is that Zakeri doesn't have almost any content. And I think I've done much more than Zakeri this game, but anyways, how is being hypocrital scummy? I was busy, while I don't know about Zakeri.
I'm not saying why I wanted Zakeri to claim his name, of course. I said it was a huge misunderstanding and it'd be worse for town if I said what happened. I'll explain once the game is over if you want.
I promise I'll ISO Raikaria once I get home. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I'M LATE
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looked at zak since people are talking about him. reads like zak mostly. i'd want to know his updated opinion on cf7 after the claim and who his scumreads are since he's basically dismissing the main wagons of the day?
would like any sort of reads from sky_paladin because i haven't really seen anything yet? no need to be shy cause you're new here: do you think anyone is particularly scum or town?
dan when do you think you can start getting into the game?
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Bad End for One Approaching
Song: i ~ any you ~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8E7T-zxgyQ)
Conq (1) - Sky Paladin
CF7 (4) - Darkninjaabc, Serela, Zakeri, Raikaria
Darkninjaabc (2) - Serious Bananas, NekoNekoRex
Raikaria (3) - Conq, Shadoweh, BT
Serela (1) - CF7
Zakeri (2) - Mitsuki, ActionDan
Not Voting: Validon
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With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
Reminder that no majority = no lynch
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I'm very manly, and Vhaltz is totally gay for me.
I was busy, so I did what I could with my free time. Of course my posts were terrible. If you want to think I have any other reasons to make terrible posts with huge generalizations and such go ahead, but it'd be nice if you look at what I'm doing from now on instead of that.
One good, informed reason is always better then a few sweeping generalizations, imo.
You also misunderstood me, what I meant is that Zakeri doesn't have almost any content. And I think I've done much more than Zakeri this game, but anyways, how is being hypocrital scummy? I was busy, while I don't know about Zakeri.
If you're voting Zak over content, then why Zak? There are plenty of more very quiet players with near-zero content you could vote on, like Dan. That's a pretty poor excuse.
Hypo-criticism is bad because, of course, you're voting for reasons you yourself could be voted for, or alternatively shouldn't be voted for, and doesn't make you any better then the person you're voting.
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@mod: Is the day likely to last at least 12 more hours, bar an attempt at a hammervote?
I'd be willing to sheep Raikaria, but I really want to pressure Darkninja. Although it might (probably is) be getting too late for that so I might switch anyway
I'm really tired though so I'm kind of inclined to wait till morning to switch.
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Just for reference: The day's been going on for 73 hours, and 80% of the bar has been reduced. Figure it out yourself
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@mod: Dan isn't voting Raikaria
NNR, just switch to raikaria now.
rest assured that even if we no lynch im activist enough to get the job done
Who said he was?
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actually just realized it takes 8 votes to lynch, so let's get moving people
raikaria should claim when he gets to the thread
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Chiming in from lecture land that the floating vote brigade should pile onto Raikaria already. We have around 18 hours.
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I'd be willing to sheep Raikaria, but I really want to pressure Darkninja. Although it might (probably is) be getting too late for that so I might switch anyway
PRESSURE IS SO 65% AGO
VOTE FOR RAIKARIA
SERELA
VOTE RAIKARIA
SKY PALADIN YOUR VOTE IS DOING NOTHING
VOTE EITHER CF7 OR RAIKARIA
CF7 YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE LYNCHED THEREFORE
VOTE RAIKARIA
MITSUKI READ FASTER AND THEN
VOTE RAIKARIA
ZAKERI BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF CUTE FLUFFY THINGS THAT LIVES WITHIN ME
AND VOTE RAIKARIA
DAN WHAT ARE YOU EVEN DOING YOU LAZY POOPHEAD
VALIDON WHAT THE FUCK GET ON A WAGON
HEY HO LET'S FUCKING GO PEOPLE
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Tbh i don't want to lynch Raikaria. Yet. But since there're not many alternatives, might as well do it.
##Unvote
##Vote Raikaria
But i'm having a really strong sense of deja vu. Like previous game. And Raikaria was lynched on D1 instead of me and he was Town.
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yeah, people still waffling on raikaria!scum should look at the energy of his defense here compared to other games where he was town.
if he were town here he'd be screaming and kicking about being the day one lynch again and he'd be more actively engaged in his defense. this is the tonal thing i was trying to explain earlier but couldnt i think.
his posting in this game is half-hearted at best. it's telling that his response to bt's latest case on him is just roleschpiel and a question at the mod on whether or not this is a bastard game.
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raikaria in day 1 last game was posting worlds different from what he's doing here. in that game he was engaged, mad, wild, crazy, paranoid.
his posting in this game is just "meh"
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enthusiastic is the word im looking for
there's no scumhunting energy
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I agree 100%
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Wow I actually find it hilarious this is happening after everything CF7 has done, like clearly lying about his role and claiming VT; voting for no apparent reason; and basically addressing cases against him with 'whatever' at points.
You want me to claim? Fine. But remember you made me claim when I claim this:
I'M THE DOCTOR.
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Or, more specifically, a nerfed Doc who has to take a day off after a successful block.
But hey, that ain't gonna happen. I'm gonna get killed now you made me claim.
I don't even see a solid case. In fact, thinking about it, Shadoweh's been literally tunneling me like he's a rhino charging all day long. Remember that for Day 2 guys.
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Wow I actually find it hilarious this is happening after everything CF7 has done, like clearly lying about his role and claiming VT; voting for no apparent reason; and basically addressing cases against him with 'whatever' at points.
"Whatever" came from frustration at Darkie.
And my VT claim came from misunderstanding on my part.
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Wow I actually find it hilarious this is happening after everything CF7 has done, like clearly lying about his role and claiming VT; voting for no apparent reason; and basically addressing cases against him with 'whatever' at points.
You want me to claim? Fine. But remember you made me claim when I claim this:
I'M THE DOCTOR.
is this your actual claim? please fullclaim if you're going to throw this out there.
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after everything CF7 has done, like clearly lying about his role and claiming VT
because the scum benefit in not claiming nighttalk enabler and claiming vt instead is...what?
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I am Makoto Kikuchi; Idol Prince.
I can put my body at stake to protect the weak; protecting them fom any harm that may come their way. However, since I'm using my body and all, if I successfuly defend someone; I need to rest [I assume for] the next night, even attempting again is fatal.
I also have a 'Do nothing' action.
because the scum benefit in not claiming nighttalk enabler and claiming vt instead is...what?
I already said 'Flailing scum' when I first pointed it out. And it dosen't change everything CF7 had done that multiple people, including me, found scummy.
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Just sayin; if you guys lynch me after my claim; remember who pushed the wagon after I flip Doc. [Conq and Shadoweh mainly]
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Just sayin; if you guys lynch me after my claim; remember who pushed the wagon after I flip Doc. [Conq and Shadoweh mainly]
lolllllllllllllll
after this i bet raikaria is scumdoc since wincon and ruleset imply sk
lynch ahoy~
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so raikaria do you actually think either of me or shadoweh are scum or are you just mudslinging?
since you're so confident on cf7 and think he's obvscum why dont you summarize the case on him for me
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I know I told Raikaria to claim but him confidently throwing out the claim without a hint of resistance means he expects the claim to save him. compare to how his inventor claim came out last game in mirai nikki mafia where he tried to hold back before letting it all out.
Oh and before anyone says 'Rai's a VT now he's a safe lynch' I'm not a VT. I have other stuff I do too. I'm just not inclined to share them at this moment, or able to do them at this moment.
After all, I'm of the opinion giving scum more information to work off is a bad thing.
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I kind of get shadoweh but why conq
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I don't even see a solid case
i mean if you seriously think this that proves that you aren't reading the game, i mean holy shit, that's some quality refuge in audacity right there. what have i been posting all day then?
im done here for tonight.
edit: he's just naming the biggest pushers of his wagon indiscriminately from what i can tell. his entire reaction fits "Scum Caught For The Wrong Reasons" imo.
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cnoq that comparison is wrong, his role in mirai nikki had a bunch of infoermation and I'd expect a doc claim to save me too if I didn't know better
I mean, would this be his first time as doc? I think so
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well okay i guess an inventor claim has more parts to it than a doc claim now that you mention it >_>
expecting a doc claim to save you is fine, except when it's all you provide. there's a reason why doc is one of the more popular d1 scumclaims. you either survive because of claim or you out a counterclaim. not to mention i dont think mafia doctor is out of the question in this setup.
i want raikaria to give reads instead of getting all hussy about being run up. all i've seen from his is "cf7 is so scum guys" but it's a tired mantra and one that's easy to make.
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I actually lean town on his claim and him not being productive/cooperative/looking-for-the-right-word-here is kind of null
so yes Rai you should give reads
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Hmm. An even-night Doc. Raikaria, why did you claim the Even-Night part?
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Hm... Now i want to lynch Raikaria even less.
Also he didn't claim even-night doc. He claimed he can't use his ability after successful save. Which is different.
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Also i'll be away for ~5 hours.
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It's different but the same question applies.
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Time Waits for Noone
Song: Vault That Borderline! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InyFu9diWRE)
Conq (1) - Sky Paladin
CF7 (4) - Darkninjaabc, Serela, Zakeri, Raikaria
Darkninjaabc (2) - Serious Bananas, NekoNekoRex
Raikaria (4) - Conq, Shadoweh, BT, CF7
Zakeri (2) - Mitsuki, ActionDan
Not Voting: Validon
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With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
Reminder that no majority = no lynch
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After having a good night's sleep and reading over the entire thread again, I will postpone my lynch on CF7.
I only have a slight scumread on Raikaria at best, but his attitude to swap votes around and crowding on CF7 when he intially had a completely different opinion rings the bells.
I agree with conq and shadoweh though, starting off by lynching the suspicious is a good way since we still have the room to do so.
Addressing the so-called conq and i ''buddying'' each other thing, it is logically flawed. conq draws his scumtell on raikaria due to him swapping votes, just happen so because raikaria vote is placed on me. I do admit the fact that as I directly most of my attention to CF7, I do not present a detailed read to every single player in the game. But that doesn't necessarily mean that I DON'T even have a read, an opinion on each individual player. I am but presenting cases of ones whom I deem most scummy in order.
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Damn invisible deadlines screw with my mind
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Give me just a moment to read up
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Okay I did some reading (not 100%, ack, I haven't been paying too much attention ;~;), and I'm not really on the mindset to vote Raikaria. I really don't like the whole "hey, Raikaria's not whining about being the Day 1 lynch, that's totally scummy!" idea. Everyone was on my case during Town Mafia just because I wasn't running around like a confused puppy asking questions (Shadoweh I'm looking at you). Also, Shadoweh does really seem to be gunning for Raikaria, and to be honest really, I'm not happy with that. >_>;
The only other thing off the top of my head that I can think of is Mitsuki's comment about simply voting a lurker if no decision could be reached, which irks me somewhat, but Serela going "NO IT'S TOTALLY SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE READING AS SCUM" (well, in less excitable terms, but, well...) irks me too.
Also don't even ask me about CF7 or Dark. That whole argument just got out of hand in my opinion and really we shouldn't vote CF7 at the moment because again, we can prove his claim overnight, which everyone just seems to forget that is on his wagon.
The thing is I'm not really reading anyone scummy, and I really don't want to potentially risk lynching a Doc. And I have to leave soon so I need to make a decision, so...
#Vote: Shadoweh
Useless vote is useless, but Shadoweh's super persistence on lynching Raikaria in spite of his claim really bugs me.
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Raikaria's doc claim comes out a bit too soon, while conqXshadow pressurizing might be the reason, the general vibe I receive from him isn't convincing as a desperate core townie trying to save retard teammates.
Your earlier voteswaps could be bad plays, but I am leaning on more that they are simply scumtells.
##Vote: Raikaria
Anyway, wp man.
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One good, informed reason is always better then a few sweeping generalizations, imo.
Don't tell me what to do (=_=)
If you're voting Zak over content, then why Zak?
Because there are more reasons other than content?
Uuuuuuuuuuugh I haven't read Raikaria yet but I'm going to sheep. I think he has more chances to be scum than CF7, although the claim makes me scared. orz
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Mitsuki's vote looks like plain old misunderstanding.
I guess none of these votes are actually bad, just ED1Voting/Lack of Reading
I don't really like Mitsuki. Her (His? gdi update your profile) posts before the Zakerei vote were pretty bad. Aside from the suggestion of a lurker lynch a suncycle into the game (which I also find sour), her reasons are full of generalities ("Serela is jumping on easy votes", "Serela is just worse"), and she was making pretty uninformed votes.
Why the change on opinion? NNR goes from saying that my posts aren't really bad and that my vote was a misunderstanding to actually saying the opposite. It doesn't look like he changed his opinion, but more like he forgot about his previous opinion and reinterpreted everything, which is convenient for scum to do and town wouldn't forget about their opinions just like that anyways.
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lol okay Validon. Does this look like the time for useless votes?
Conq do you think we have time to move to another lynch/claim? We're going to be running into claims we don't want to lynch all day here. :/
I've got to sleep and I still think Rai is the most likely to happen/the question i asked is related to what he claimed being bad if the timer isn't out by the time I wake up I'd be willing to lynch Mitsuki if she gets up there.
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..unless I messed up, deadline is estimated to be 2:30 PM tomorrow by my clock, which is 7:30 AM EST.
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like, I don't know how it got to be T-18 from T-24, I'll check again later
post soon
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T-24 from T-18*
welp
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I got to ISO Raikaria even if not much is going to change now, and I'm happy enough with my vote:
Yes, at the time I did it I thought it was OK... but likewise I am aware that you guys tend to act badly towards that, and take it as a scumread. So now I'm taking it as a scumread... I'm impressionistic.
I know this was already quoted although I don't really remember what was said about it. This are actually the worst reasons ever to place a vote, it's like "I know it's wrong because it didn't work on me, but now I'm using it because other people did!". The scummy part is that he actually recognizes what he's doing. I think that if town did this kind of thing they'd either be unconscious about it and deny what they're doing when others pointed it out while attempting to justify their actions as something else, or they'd notice they're being wrong and change their mind.
His reaction to getting lynched also seemed wrong; I'd expect him to complain again and be frustrated with everyone's votes, but he seems rather angry. This could be either scum getting frustrated or an important role to town getting lynched, though.
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I also think claim is fake.
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##Vote Raikaria
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(I fell asleep anyway, it was like 2 AM when I posted)
rereading
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I think Raikaria, Shadoweh, CF7 and Conqueror are my suspects at the moment.
My main reason for suspecting Shadoweh is because he wrote in all caps and told me to stop voting for my other suspect.
My main reason for suspecting Conqueror is because they arbitrarily voted for me.
My main reason for suspecting Raikaria is because I don't buy their role description.
My main reason for suspecting CF7 is because I don't buy their role description.
I've been at the Aboshi Lantern Festival and next I am going to have a shower and do some other things you don't want to know about. When I come back in about an hour I'll switch my vote to the biggest train behind one of my suspects.
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Why the change on opinion? NNR goes from saying that my posts aren't really bad and that my vote was a misunderstanding to actually saying the opposite. It doesn't look like he changed his opinion, but more like he forgot about his previous opinion and reinterpreted everything, which is convenient for scum to do and town wouldn't forget about their opinions just like that anyways.
I'm not suspecting you over a vote that misinterprets, I'm suspcting you for other, completely unrelated reasons
Because there are more reasons other than content?
That was one of the main reasons, and it's not really a great reason. It doesn't even really read like good reasoning:
It's not that much but considering that he's only made 4 posts and that he's supposed to be a good player
"He's supposed to be a good player" is really lame leaning on meta. I normally post a lot more but I've been really lazy and sidetracked so far myself. Zak might be feeling the same / is busy.
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I agree with all of the above that Raikaria isn't posting like kicking and screaming town, btw, which is really bad and he's probably scum for it. He isn't even trying to push the other guy that hard.
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Ah, looks like I can safely vote as well
##Vote: Raikaria
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woops
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OK.
I've claimed Doc, you're still pushing.
That's about as anti-town as you can get.
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I know I told Raikaria to claim but him confidently throwing out the claim without a hint of resistance means he expects the claim to save him. compare to how his inventor claim came out last game in mirai nikki mafia where he tried to hold back before letting it all out.
And don't try and discredit my claim with a 'lack of resistance'. If I see my neck on the chopping block as a Doctor, I'm not going to give you more ammunition to use against me by NOT CLAIMING when you ASK ME TO CLAIM. At least if I'm not lynched there may be a town role that can see who targets me during the night; or can divert a kill or something.
There's a huge difference between holding back as an inventor/gift giver, and holding back as the Doctor. Aside from the fact that there's only one part of my role to claim and not multiple.
Cut by votes; not sure if hammer.
Remember who pushed.
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Also I find it hilarious that the main reason that seems to be used against me is 'Raikaria is attempting to learn from his past mistakes and using them to form cases against people doing what he was told was bad'.
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I've claimed Doc, you're still pushing.
Well yeah, you shouldn't expect a claim to save you unless it's really creative or explains your behavior.
Where's the crumbs?
Can you come up with more on Conq or are you just reaction-voting? Surely he's done more scummy things throughout the game then simply push you.
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The problem is that you recognize that kind of reasons were used on you and you were town. You should know that town can also make mistakes based on your experience and you wouldn't use that kind of reasonings (or at least not as easily as that) because they didn't work on you.
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Conq has actually switched to Mitsuki for reasons I'm not 100% sure I can figure out.
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... Raikaria is at L-1. I Think.
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If you were town when you did something that got you mislynched a bunch, and next game someone else does the same thing, shouldn't the first thought that comes to mind be "wait, that's a towntell, that reason never works as a scumtell!"?
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P Sure it's L-2 since both BT and Conq unvoted
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You know what that's enough, I don't think this "how dare he do something he did as town" is that bad because depending on the type of player you are you could logically infer that the way you played WAS bad and you were JUSTLY lynched, because it's actually likely to come from scum, and now he's using what he's learned.
Like, it's the same as the 'hypocrisy' scumtell which I've recently become against because, as this is a game of likelihoods, just because you're doing something bad while you're town doesn't mean it's wrong to lynch someone else for doing the exact same thing if statistically speaking what you're doing usually comes from scum.
blah blah blah fuck I hate myself
I think he's at L-2
btw I was obviously wrong earlier, deadline is at like 10 hours and it's terrible for me
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to elaborate I don't know if to call this wagon off because I'm just not feeling it anymore
what makes it worse is that I don't know who I'd lynch instead in that case
and even then there's the task of making the wagon happen
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Raikaria can you just actually give your reads instead of pushing those who pushed because I think most of the people who made this wagon happen are town, like I guess I'm waffling on Shadoweh but it's definitely not Conq.
Basically who would you lynch? Let's pretend we're powerlynching.
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You know what that's enough, I don't think this "how dare he do something he did as town" is that bad because depending on the type of player you are you could logically infer that the way you played WAS bad and you were JUSTLY lynched, because it's actually likely to come from scum, and now he's using what he's learned.
Like, it's the same as the 'hypocrisy' scumtell which I've recently become against because, as this is a game of likelihoods, just because you're doing something bad while you're town doesn't mean it's wrong to lynch someone else for doing the exact same thing if statistically speaking what you're doing usually comes from scum.
...Uh, actually, when you explain it like that, it makes more sense then what I was thinking. I guess I'm really misguided on that point, and the earlier hypocrisy point I made against Mitsuki earlier (that still doesn't clear those suspicions by any stretch, tho)
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Well yeah, you shouldn't expect a claim to save you unless it's really creative or explains your behavior.
Where's the crumbs?
Can you come up with more on Conq or are you just reaction-voting? Surely he's done more scummy things throughout the game then simply push you.
He's not actually done that much else.
Although on second thinking, Shadoeh has LITERALLY done nothing but tunnel on me; but he is yet to comment on my claim.
And I'd be voting for anyone that was still pushing after someone claimed a Doctor without a counter-claim.
I've made my main case. I don't have any other points to argue. I've spoken about CF7 to death. Conq is pushing the Doc. Shadoweh has tunneled me all day.
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Reads; I've already given.
Don't like CF7, as I have said multiple times.
Shadoweh is scum for tunnelling me all day and literally doing nothing else. Note Tunnelling has been brought up against Darkninja by others; but no-one has mentioned it in regards to Shadoweh.
Conq is pushing a claimed, un counter-claimed doc. Enough said there.
Darkninja isn't great either.
Everyone else is null, or leaning town, but I'm not gonna give out townreads because that just puts targets on people's backs.
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Make a better case
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Hmm.
Why did Raikaria vote for Conq?
If they were trying just to survive, they should have voted for CF7, or argued for a let's-not-lynch-on-D1-since-we're-likely-to-get-a-towny. At least, that's what I would have done. Possible exception: If CF7 was scum, too, and Raikaria knew about it. Even so, splitting the vote rather than letting them all go on one player would be a better strategy.
So I think they made that decision based on a greater good ideal. It's not the behavior of a scum. So, I'm not going to for for Raikaria. I totally lied about jumping on the biggest train. Sorry about that.
I'm also going to grey out CF7, which leaves Conqueror and Shadoweh.
While I think it would be totally awesome if Conqueror turned out to be scum and I voted for them on day 1, I believe Conqs vote was entirely a luls-vote and I don't actually factor it into any serious decision making.
However, Shadoweh is pushing for Raikaria's death over CF7, the most assured kill earlier in the day, when there was a good chance that CF7 would have been toast. At that time, CF7 had made their alleged role public. Even now that Raikaria made their alleged role public (and I am inclined to believe it is not entirely legit, but even I wouldn't give away all my cards at l-1), there's been no change to Shadoweh's behaviour. However I am also dead tired and a little drunk and didn't re-read the thread. So maybe I totally missed it.
Therefore I'm going to ping Shadoweh as scum and that he was covering for CF7.
I want to vote for CF7 since he's the closest to dead, with the intent of saving Rakaria since I think he's more-likely-town than Shadoweh.
However, I'd prefer nobody die at all, since it's day 1 and I don't like this business at all. So I'll split the middle and vote Shadoweh.
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Vote Shadoweh
If there's still a phase by the time I wake up I'll look forward to the new situation. Goodnight folks.
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You're on the chopping block, I think you can afford to give Conq/Shadoweh a reread and try and muster up a scumcase.
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Alive and L@dy
1. CF7
2. Shadoweh
3. Mitsuki/Vhaltz
4. Raikaria
5. NNR
6. ActionDan
7. Sky Paladin
8. Validon98
9. Serious Bananas
10. Conq
12. BT
11. darkninjaabc
13. Serela
14. Zakeri
okay Rai let's pretend this list is correct bar Shadoweh who we've lynched off the face of the earth already, what then?
First warning, don't use green :smug:
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Goddamn I totally wrote that chunk of text before it was cool to vote for Shadoweh. I'm always a step behind.
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However, I'd prefer nobody die at all, since it's day 1 and I don't like this business at all. So I'll split the middle and vote Shadoweh.
No Lynch tells us no information and denies town some control on who dies (since Scum will always kill a non-scum, and usually the strongest player alive), therefore a lynch is always preferable to no lynch.
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I still think Raikaria has chances of being scum, but alternatively I could vote Zakeri or Conqueror.
Why Conqueror?
When Raikaria claimed, Conqueror just assumed there'd be a SK and that Raikaria would be a scum doctor. It makes it look like he's the SK because he made such an association too quickly, I'm quite sure other people wouldn't have thought about the possibility of a scum doctor and a SK coexisting just like that.
There's also the fact that he didn't reveal that he thought there'd be a SK until now that it's convenient for him to lynch who he's voting. I don't think it was that obvious coming from the rules and the wincon that there'd be a SK either, but it'd be much more obvious from scum wincons that there'd be other roles with a kill. (This wouldn't mean that he's a SK, it just points out to him being scum)
On the other hand his conviction about Raikaria being scum and such doesn't feel fake right now. I'd have to think about whether it seemed fake at the beginning though, but that wouldn't mean he's not a SK, that'd just be a SK voting someone.
I'd actually lynch Conqueror over anyone else right now. I know he's voted me, but the reasoning still stands.
I admit that I should ISO other players.
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I'm reluctant to leave Raikaria alone just yet because there's still not much energy behind his fighting back, and most of his posts just come off as "you suck town", which still reads harder as scum caught with their hand in the jar then desperate town.
The claim itself is still dubious and he has no crumbs either.
I'll reread Shadoweh in case there is a big turnaround.
I think Conq is p. town myself, his pushing on Raikaria is a lot more based then Shadoweh's powerlynch machine.
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As a counter to Mitsuki and Raikaria's claim arguments, there's no doc cc because a doc cc on D1 would be exactly what a scum doctor wants, so it's a null tell at best.
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Mitsuki assuming Conq is an SK or has knowledge of more killing roles is also not great. This is role madness, so some degree of non-scum killing roles (which you neglect to bring up also includes Vigilante, a town PR) isn't out of the question by any means.
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As a counter to Mitsuki and Raikaria's claim arguments
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.
I never said anything about doctor counterclaims!
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I mentioned you because your post looks like it puts faith in Raikaria's claim :/
Also I put something more relevant in the next post anyway
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I mentioned you because your post looks like it puts faith in Raikaria's claim :/
Also I put something more relevant in the next post anyway
I still think Raikaria has chances of being scum, but alternatively I could vote Zakeri or Conqueror.
<3
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Why Conqueror?
When Raikaria claimed, Conqueror just assumed there'd be a SK and that Raikaria would be a scum doctor. It makes it look like he's the SK because he made such an association too quickly, I'm quite sure other people wouldn't have thought about the possibility of a scum doctor and a SK coexisting just like that.
There's also the fact that he didn't reveal that he thought there'd be a SK until now that it's convenient for him to lynch who he's voting. I don't think it was that obvious coming from the rules and the wincon that there'd be a SK either, but it'd be much more obvious from scum wincons that there'd be other roles with a kill. (This wouldn't mean that he's a SK, it just points out to him being scum)
this is a horrible stretch, it's very possible for someone to raise the possibility of a SK when the ruleset outright tells you there'll be alternative wincons itg and the whole "didn't reveal until now" thing is literally nonsense
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like ftr I think Mitsuki is suspect except I'm kind of looking at this
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033365.html#msg1033365
and it makes me want to think the slot is town
horrible towntells inc.
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this is a horrible stretch, it's very possible for someone to raise the possibility of a SK when the ruleset outright tells you there'll be alternative wincons itg and the whole "didn't reveal until now" thing is literally nonsense
That might be true, but what do you think about the rest?
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I know it's 10:30 in the morning, but right now it's past bedtime, and that's the perfect time to begin too many iso rereads.
Conq: I can't find reasons for your switch to Mitsuki, what are they?
Shortly after my last post, CF7 claims Insomniac. I have no clue what Shadoweh's going on about, she seems way too confused.
Re: Mitsuki 136 - Looking back, I suppose you didn't say that.
In fact, I'm kind of struggling to figure out why I thought that the point of the post I was responding to was that you couldn't consolidate. I had to have read it wrong somehow.
The way CF7 talks about his role is making me regain whatever suspicions I had lost.
The part I don't like the most is how he tried to brush of Serela's pointing out that his role can be scum suited. Conq proved how a good scum can work with Insomniac, and it's even more of a moot point if what I'm reading about everyone being insomniac is true, since all it means is the game doesn't take a break after a lynch.
Re: Mitsuki 160 - I hope I've addressed most of that above (And yes I was uneasy about CF7 lynch at the time I posted that but change my mind again), but
"His claim is very easy to prove and it gives an advantage to town regardless of his alignment, so I think people voting him should reconsider and postpone the lynch."
I don't think this is strictly true. If he's scum, there could be a side that he's denying telling us. There's also the fact that if he's scum, he's scum, ergo lynch please.
Reading BT and Conq later is making me question my read again again. It's true there's more evidence to support he's just bein dumb than that he's lying, but that doesn't mean he's not lying is it? augh.
Zak's #118 looks kind of like he's overreacting to the 2 MAN STRONG DARK WAGON and doesn't really give scumreads aside from CF7. Do you have any others?
"Over"reacting is subjective. I was simply reacting to the wagons that had more than one vote at the time. It's one of the many shortcuts I've come up with for this game.
If I had anything else at the time of writing, I would have put it down then, so sorry but no.
Re: Shadoweh 178 - If I vote switch to Raikaria can I go to bed?
ZZZ~<3
I also wanted to know why Mitsuki wanted a nameclaim from me, but it looks like from post 176 that the reason is most likely a "Town misreading role" thing.
Reached Rai's Doc Claim, and I'm seeing it as null so far. Doctor is commonly claimed by both sides, and the restriction doesn't really do anything except make their existence as doctor more fitting in a game setup.
Conq talking about SK existing doesn't mean he's the SK. in fact, I'd think the SK would be the last person to bring up the idea of a third party, because that only increases brain activity towards catching him/herself.
Everything I could say right now that's insight is being stolen by NNR as I'm writing this post.
Cut: And BT.
This post is kind of bad that all I came up with is Raikaria's doc claim is null. I still think CF7 is more likely to be not-town than Raikaria is, but I'm not adverse to bring the wagon to L-1 if it comes down to it.
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When Raikaria claimed, Conqueror just assumed there'd be a SK and that Raikaria would be a scum doctor. It makes it look like he's the SK because he made such an association too quickly, I'm quite sure other people wouldn't have thought about the possibility of a scum doctor and a SK coexisting just like that.
On the other hand his conviction about Raikaria being scum and such doesn't feel fake right now. I'd have to think about whether it seemed fake at the beginning though, but that wouldn't mean he's not a SK, that'd just be a SK voting someone.
I've erased the point that nobody seems to agree with. Please don't forget about this (mainly the first point).
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Tried reading Raikaria again and ended up reading the Pokemon X/Y thread.
Like I said before, I'm not ruling out possibilities of scum, but at the same time there's nothing ruling "Is a member of the mafia" over "Is playing poorly" or "always acts like this."
I've already presented my point on the first point you're bring up Mitsuki.
I feel like Conq is just plain town at this point.
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Conq talking about SK existing doesn't mean he's the SK. in fact, I'd think the SK would be the last person to bring up the idea of a third party, because that only increases brain activity towards catching him/herself.
I remember "I Wanna be the Sereliest", where BBM (the SK) himself was the one to bring up the possibility of the existence of a SK.
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I am going to reiterate |read|
also there is a known non-scum/non-town win con out there. pay close attention to the "eliminate all other factions" = not benign. SK would be my first thought
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I remember "I Wanna be the Sereliest", where BBM (the SK) himself was the one to bring up the possibility of the existence of a SK.
Point taken, but I'm speaking from personal experiences as SK when I say what I said above.
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##Unvote
Reading now.
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IMO CF7 is town, he read to me as kinda newb town who is frustrated by darkninja's rants and probably got frustrated and paranoid when the game turned against him as a result. He screwed himself over by his own claim as well, for the second game in a row.
Really it's just a repeat of Mirai Nikki again. If there's going to be any time the playerbase doesn't D1 lynch a player for the same reasons three games in a row, it should be this one.
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Not sure if reading thread made things better or worse. Probably the latter. Also i am concerned about forming new wagon, or rather time limit to do so. Somehow we reached a degree of uncertainity where i can't say who is the scummiest. Probably.
##Vote Shadoweh
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Actually the bigger problem is that I won't be around to hammer for long. Two hours give or take.
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Uuuuuuuuuuugh I haven't read Raikaria yet but I'm going to sheep. I think he has more chances to be scum than CF7, although the claim makes me scared. orz
##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
limited time here but i voted mitsuki at the time because the way in which mitsuki weaseled her vote onto raikaria without giving a clear opinion on rai or his claim is probably the scummiest thing ive seen thsi game.
the justification after the fact doesn't sell it for me because when was all this when I discussed it before? there was no reason to hold back until now and it reads like she's capitalizing on the situation.
also the implication that mitsuki would lynch me over everyone else for thinking there's an sk when it's the obvious assumption to make from what's given is pretty lulzy. I think she's playing dumb because hey mitsuki, what conclusion did you come to then, from "guaranteed third party" and "eliminate all other factions?"
And I'd be voting for anyone that was still pushing after someone claimed a Doctor without a counter-claim.
I've made my main case. I don't have any other points to argue. I've spoken about CF7 to death. Conq is pushing the Doc. Shadoweh has tunneled me all day.
raikaria pushing me on points i dropped already is hilariously bad but whatever. also ive claimed uncountered doc enough as scum to know that your reasoning on that line is completely bullshit. "conq is pushing the doc" is terrible for a vote reason when i'm one of the top three content producers in the game.
So let's repeat the question, raikaria. Is your case just the fact that i pressured you claim and nothing else? despite all the other people doing so? And if shadoweh has tunneled you all day and has literally done nothing except tunnel on you all day then what's the justification for you voting me over her?
yeah after talking to this im probably willing to vote raikaria again, this pushback of his is forced and doesnt line up with what he's been saying.
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like ftr I think Mitsuki is suspect except I'm kind of looking at this
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033365.html#msg1033365
and it makes me want to think the slot is town
horrible towntells inc.
that's just a backtrack on a rolefish, it's not a towntell in any way.
mitsuki powerlynch wagon let's go. i know people have expressed interest. i would lynch her without a claim anyway, that's how confident i am. B)
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hmm actually deadlines. lemme make a vc real quick
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Conq (1) - Raikaria
CF7 (2) - Serela, Zakeri
Darkninjaabc (1) - Serious Bananas,
Raikaria (5) - Shadoweh, Darkninjaabc, Mitsuki, ActionDan, NekoNekoRex
Shadoweh (3) - Validon, Sky Paladin, CF7
Mitsuki (1) - Conq
Not Voting: BT
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
Reminder that no majority = no lynch
shadoweh wagon is further along than i expect. mitsuki wagon probably not viable then. IF I DIE OVERNIGHT DO NOT LET MITSUKI SLIDE.
not interested in lynching shadoweh today. sure she's been pushing pretty hard on raikaria but raikaria has been scum all game so far.
##unvote
##vote: raikaria
zak what do you actually think about raikaria aside from his doc claim because that is the most serela post from you ive ever seen
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I think raikaria is legit mad but it's scum mad that their big plays didnt work out the way they wanted and whining about getting caught.
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Heart Thumping Deadline
Song: Honey Heartbeat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYzmPulrPFc)
Conqueror (1) - Raikaria
CF7 (2) - Serela, Zakeri
Darkninjaabc (2) - Serious Bananas
Raikaria (6) - Shadoweh, Darkninjaabc, Mitsuki, ActionDan, NekoNekoRex, Conqueror
Shadoweh (3) - Validon, Sky Paladin, CF7
Not Voting: BT
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With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
Raikaria is at L-2
Reminder that no majority = no lynch
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1) i'm not convinced raikaria wouldn't act this way as town when you have posts like this one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033562.html#msg1033562) pushing through nonchalantly (talking from his pov)
2) when was mitsuki's lost opportunity to chip in on raikaria before? that's a really good point if true
bleh this is probably a mislynch but i see nothing else working
someone hop on so i can hammer in the next hour
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there's actually no problem hammering """early""" considering nighttalk, except for raikaria so if he wants to say stuff it should obviously be now
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I think she's playing dumb because hey mitsuki, what conclusion did you come to then, from "guaranteed third party" and "eliminate all other factions?"
... I'd rather not explain that, but it sure gave me problems at the time.
Then I didn't really think about it again.
Don't ignore my other points!
Zakeri lynch wasn't happening, and I didn't think CF7 had chances of being scum, Darkie also looked townie and Raikaria was the only other wagon, while time was running out. I had no guarantee of being able to make my ISO and have an opinion, but my vote was needed. God, what did you want me to do? What would YOU have done that would be much better than any of what I did? wwwwwwwwwww
I'd totally spend my time to read Raikaria if I were scum, just so that you know. And what if there was no lynch? "Oh my god, I'm so sorry! I didn't have time to read~"
Seriously, this is ridiculous wwwwwwwwwwwwww
that's just a backtrack on a rolefish, it's not a towntell in any way.
Actually there are some players there who can say what it really was, but I'm not going to make them do that for me. (=w=u
By the way, if you want to ask me any questions, ask them now. I'm going to make Vhaltz replace in for me during the night. I had plenty of fun this game, but I'm too busy right now and I should focus on other things (>_<)
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I think you should vote Rai so BT hammers and gets his superpower.
This is like > 50% chance scum lynch.
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Conq's worry about getting NK'd before having anything to say is kinda moot, we all have night talk and CF7 isn't going to get lynched today.
I'd like to save a possible Shadoweh lynch for tomorrow. A Raikaria flip sheds a lot of light on Shadoweh'd probable alignment, and we have a lot more time to debate that during the commercial break.
I don't see Mitsuki getting support for a lynch today either, although I personally support one.
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By the way, Conqueror, at that time I probably didn't have the time to think about what you said properly. I definitely read it, but I thought it was neutral or something. Then I took my time and I actually thought it was scummy.
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ummm sb, serela, zak?
rai can selfvote if he feels like it
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1) i'm not convinced raikaria wouldn't act this way as town when you have posts like this one (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033562.html#msg1033562) pushing through nonchalantly (talking from his pov)
i should stop trying to imitate huhwhat >_> but either way it does kinda read like my reaction to huhwhat from last game.
2) when was mitsuki's lost opportunity to chip in on raikaria before? that's a really good point if true
it's a general thing and not really provable but mitsuki has been promising a raikaria iso for the longest time and only just got to it.
I know this was already quoted although I don't really remember what was said about it. This are actually the worst reasons ever to place a vote, it's like "I know it's wrong because it didn't work on me, but now I'm using it because other people did!". The scummy part is that he actually recognizes what he's doing. I think that if town did this kind of thing they'd either be unconscious about it and deny what they're doing when others pointed it out while attempting to justify their actions as something else, or they'd notice they're being wrong and change their mind.
His reaction to getting lynched also seemed wrong; I'd expect him to complain again and be frustrated with everyone's votes, but he seems rather angry. This could be either scum getting frustrated or an important role to town getting lynched, though.
like the first thing was something i brought up all the way on page 4
cut by mitsuki's response. eh. what other points are you talking about?
your "WWWW WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE INSTEAD" feels like something i would post as scum in your situation. not to mention it's a bit of an overreaction?
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Zakeri lynch wasn't happening, and I didn't think CF7 had chances of being scum, Darkie also looked townie and Raikaria was the only other wagon, while time was running out. I had no guarantee of being able to make my ISO and have an opinion, but my vote was needed. God, what did you want me to do? What would YOU have done that would be much better than any of what I did? wwwwwwwwwww
I'd totally spend my time to read Raikaria if I were scum, just so that you know. And what if there was no lynch? "Oh my god, I'm so sorry! I didn't have time to read~"
Seriously, this is ridiculous wwwwwwwwwwwwww
id expect you to evaluate the claim at least instead of going WELP I DUNNO THAT CLAIM MAKES ME PAUSE BUT IMMA VOTE HIM ANYWAY
did you think a zakeri lynch was happening earlier in the day? you barely pushed on that.
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lolllllllllllllll
after this i bet raikaria is scumdoc since wincon and ruleset imply sk
lynch ahoy~
Oh this is bullshit logic, Conq. He's saying that if he flips townie, to look at who pushed him. I'm still not convinced Raikaria is at all scum. People have used the "oh he's not acting the same so CLEARLY he's scum." That was the same accusation leveled against me in Town Mafia (by SHADOWEH, no less), and guess what, I wasn't scum, was I?
In other words, I don't like Conq's case against Raikaria at all, Shadoweh has been on the tunneling train all day and it drives me nuts, and while lynching Raikaria could give information on Shadoweh's alignment, why not just lynch Shadoweh directly and find sooner rather than later? Sticking with my vote, I'm not hammering someone I'm reading as null.
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Oh this is bullshit logic, Conq. He's saying that if he flips townie, to look at who pushed him. I'm still not convinced Raikaria is at all scum. People have used the "oh he's not acting the same so CLEARLY he's scum." That was the same accusation leveled against me in Town Mafia (by SHADOWEH, no less), and guess what, I wasn't scum, was I?
In other words, I don't like Conq's case against Raikaria at all
tell me what about my case you don't like because you just cherrypicked one small bit of my case and completely ignored the rest~
the not acting the same as town is just icing on top of the cake.
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lolllllllllllllll
after this i bet raikaria is scumdoc since wincon and ruleset imply sk
lynch ahoy~
Oh this is bullshit logic, Conq. He's saying that if he flips townie, to look at who pushed him.
this is bullshit logic because it doesn't even make sense.
my point is that even if the doc claim is true it doesn't make him town, and im doubting the doc claim to begin with.
so how's this. why do YOU think raikaria is town? just for the claim?
LOOK AT MY WAGON GUYZ is such an easy argument to make when you're going down as scum because it barely takes any effort and leaves few ties behind. Raikaria's vote on me boils down to an OMGUS and that's all he's left us with.
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validon can you just vote raikaria now so we don't have to wait 7 more hours (when i come back)
like, the shadoweh lynch isn't happening, don't be ridiculous please
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it's a general thing and not really provable but mitsuki has been promising a raikaria iso for the longest time and only just got to it.
your "WWWW WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE INSTEAD" feels like something i would post as scum in your situation. not to mention it's a bit of an overreaction?
I PROMISED I'D DO IT THIS MORNING, AND I DID IT EARLY THIS AFTERNOON. GOD.
Also, whatever, but why don't you just answer? If I'm so scummy you sure should have a reasoning on what town would have done?
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http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033699.html#msg1033699
My other points
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in fact validon i doubt you read any of my case against raikaria
fuck white knights
CASE AGAINST RAIKARIA
1) ROLLING A SCUM PM
2) MAKING IT PATENTLY OBVIOUS IN THE THREAD
gg
on a more serious note the updated case against raikaria boils down to complete lack of scumhunting. strip away the claim and what do you have? cf7 is scum because ??? and im scum because im still pushing him despite his claim?
Everyone else is null, or leaning town, but I'm not gonna give out townreads because that just puts targets on people's backs.
like this is hilarious from someone who's supposedly a town doctor going down and wants to help the town. i think it's more like he cant be arsed to come up with any more reads.
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I PROMISED I'D DO IT THIS MORNING, AND I DID IT EARLY THIS AFTERNOON. GOD.
Also, whatever, but why don't you just answer? If I'm so scummy you sure should have a reasoning on what town would have done?
id expect you to evaluate the claim at least instead of going WELP I DUNNO THAT CLAIM MAKES ME PAUSE BUT IMMA VOTE HIM ANYWAY
did you think a zakeri lynch was happening earlier in the day? you barely pushed on that.
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033699.html#msg1033699
My other points
i've been assuming sk from the start of the game. rai being a scum doctor makes sense to reconcile: the apparent confidence of his claim with his obvious scumminess. i've seen enough setups with scum docs in them.
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id expect you to evaluate the claim at least instead of going WELP I DUNNO THAT CLAIM MAKES ME PAUSE BUT IMMA VOTE HIM ANYWAY
did you think a zakeri lynch was happening earlier in the day? you barely pushed on that.
Evaluate what? I sure considered everything when I asked for the name claim. Why are just bringing it up now, anyways? It's incredibly scummy and you're also suspecting me based on something "like that" (which as I explained is totally different)
There was a point in time where I thought such a lynch could happen, when I made the case. Anyways, does that matter at all?
Validon, you should really secure the lynch right now (@A@)
Conqueror, answer my question. Or you don't have an answer for that? <3
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although it's true that if i were sk i'd be acting exactly the same as if i were town B)
(still not sk though)
I just answered your quesiton, what the hell mitsuki >_>
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yeah if i go back raikaria's case on cf7 is probably the scummiest thing he's done, it's basically his promised reread only it only seems to show that his priorities lied in making a case post thing and nothing else
everything else is like, not really strong to me anymore though, which sucks
Mitsuki those are the points I were talking about though. They're really bad.
When Raikaria claimed, Conqueror just assumed there'd be a SK and that Raikaria would be a scum doctor. It makes it look like he's the SK because he made such an association too quickly, I'm quite sure other people wouldn't have thought about the possibility of a scum doctor and a SK coexisting just like that.
1) no he didn't assume there'd be a SK
2) no it doesn't make it look like he's the SK, like yeah I get it you thought it's like what BBM did but instead of presenting it like that from the start you pull this thing as a tell and it's really slimy imo
3) why wouldn't other people think about the possibility
validon vote raikaria
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actually nevermind ignore 1)
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Or you don't have an answer for that? <3
You could not reek of passive aggression any harder if you tried, Mitsuki.
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Evaluate what? I sure considered everything when I asked for the name claim. Why are just bringing it up now, anyways? It's incredibly scummy and you're also suspecting me based on something "like that" (which as I explained is totally different)
okay at this point you're just not reading or being deliberate obtuse. the quote is in reference of raikaria's claim.
There was a point in time where I thought such a lynch could happen, when I made the case. Anyways, does that matter at all?
yes. it's called voteparking on a case on not pushing it hard. my favorite thing to do as scum in fact, see what i did last game.
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err, the quote that quote was responding to
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1) no he didn't assume there'd be a SK
2) no it doesn't make it look like he's the SK, like yeah I get it you thought it's like what BBM did but instead of presenting it like that from the start you pull this thing as a tell and it's really slimy imo
3) why wouldn't other people think about the possibility
2) It does, at least from my point of view
3) The whole point is that they didn't. I explained why in my reasoning. What's what you don't understand?
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I can't argue against CONQ IS SK because Conq!SK plays the same as Conq!town until all the mafia are dead.
this line isn't going anywhere
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You could not reek of passive aggression any harder if you tried, Mitsuki.
(That was me trying to get Conqueror to answer, which I still don't see. I'm going to reread now)
Also, I don't like how you're making this something personal. If you have some problem with me send me a PM. This is a game thread.
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they didn't? just because no one mentioned it doesn't mean it wasn't on their mind and this game told you there would be different wincons, i guess >sk is a bit of an over-assumption but i think you still generalized there. like, i don't see why others wouldn't have thought up of that possibilty, and in extension i don't see what would make you think that way as town
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^ um that was to #311, sorry
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(That was me trying to get Conqueror to answer, which I still don't see. I'm going to reread now)
are you serious, i've answered you several times already
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I just read all through Raikaria's posts and honestly, I don't get any sort of scummy feeling from them. Now, what about your reasoning do I not like?
Probably one of the slimiest arguments I've ever heard. People have seen stuff I've done as town as scummy, thus now I'm going to read other people who do the same thing as scum?
So you're saying if you guys all thought that stuff was scummy from him, he can't make the same mistake as you guys? Really? You're implying that's scummy and I see it more as null.
raikaria in day 1 last game was posting worlds different from what he's doing here. in that game he was engaged, mad, wild, crazy, paranoid.
his posting in this game is just "meh"
Again, this same sort of accusation was leveled against me before (except it was from "Validon doesn't know what the fuck" to "Validon seems to be actually trying, this is weird"). Changing one's playstyle from game to game isn't necessarily a scumtell. It could be the player trying something new. Granted, I know everyone generally assumes "different playstyle = scum," but since it's happened to me before I read it as null.
Also, you go from:
well okay i guess an inventor claim has more parts to it than a doc claim now that you mention it >_>
expecting a doc claim to save you is fine, except when it's all you provide. there's a reason why doc is one of the more popular d1 scumclaims. you either survive because of claim or you out a counterclaim. not to mention i dont think mafia doctor is out of the question in this setup.
i want raikaria to give reads instead of getting all hussy about being run up. all i've seen from his is "cf7 is so scum guys" but it's a tired mantra and one that's easy to make.
Which I can see as being doubtful, to...
##unvote
##vote: mitsuki
...this. Mitsuki is suspicious as well but a sudden flip-flop on your main target doesn't sit well with me. If so, what's the point of gunning for Raikaria in the first place? It just doesn't sit well at all with me. I know you went back to Raikaria, but still, even if this was a "hey, Mitsuki is suspicious, pay attention to her" vote, it doesn't justify a sudden switch when you are clearly still after Raikaria.
I think raikaria is legit mad but it's scum mad that their big plays didnt work out the way they wanted and whining about getting caught.
And he made a big play how...? I do not agree with him pushing CF7 on the whole role thing, but still, I've rolehunted before as town (I Wanna Be the Sereliest, anyone?), so it's not necessarily scummy.
That's my problems with your argument as of now.
Cut: @BT: I don't believe Raikaria is scum at all, this wagon irks me greatly, I'm not jumping on it.
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I- wait, hold on, new reply
(That was me trying to get Conqueror to answer, which I still don't see. I'm going to reread now)
Also, I don't like how you're making this something personal. If you have some problem with me send me a PM. This is a game thread.
You're taking this way out of context if you think I'm getting personal. I'm simply saying you are not playing like town right now.
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do you think anyone else is getting lynched at this point, validon?
like okay i'll just bold it for potential herpaderps
I AM LEAVING AND WILL BE BACK IN 7 HOURS
SOMEONE VOTE UNLESS YOU LIKE WAITING THAT LONG
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I think the point we're all forgetting is that the day is ending soon, and Conq isn't getting lynched in the next century, much less today.
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P.S. The day isn't going to last 7 more hours, someone vote bloody Raikaria so BT can get his power up or whatever
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okay at this point you're just not reading or being deliberate obtuse. the quote is in reference of raikaria's claim.
yes. it's called voteparking on a case on not pushing it hard. my favorite thing to do as scum in fact, see what i did last game.
Ok, I just noticed that.
I don't think what i ever did could be considered voteparking. (?_o)
I evaluated the claim afterwards, by the way. I prefered to place my vote first in case it was needed and I didn't have time to reread. I didn't even read the new posts...
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oh right we don't have 7 hours, I mixed up 2 AM my time and 2 AM EST
validon? anyone else? seriously what the heck
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the only third party i know that absolutely has to be eliminated by town is sk. arsonist is also possible but arsonist is a terrible role so yeah
So you're saying if you guys all thought that stuff was scummy from him, he can't make the same mistake as you guys? Really? You're implying that's scummy and I see it more as null.
...that's really twisting it because HIS reasoning is that since we thought certain stuff is scummy from him, he's justified in thinking someone else doing it is scummy. It's not that he thought it was scummy to begin with. It's more like, "oh hey i can appropriate this reasoning that other people have used against me before," when in actuality a townie would go
hey people have misread me as scummy for doing this before maybe this guy is town like i was then."
Again, this same sort of accusation was leveled against me before (except it was from "Validon doesn't know what the fuck" to "Validon seems to be actually trying, this is weird"). Changing one's playstyle from game to game isn't necessarily a scumtell. It could be the player trying something new. Granted, I know everyone generally assumes "different playstyle = scum," but since it's happened to me before I read it as null.
it could be null, it could also be one of the strongest scumtells because he's not acting like town. in any case this is just one point out of many.
Also, you go from:
Which I can see as being doubtful, to...
...this. Mitsuki is suspicious as well but a sudden flip-flop on your main target doesn't sit well with me. If so, what's the point of gunning for Raikaria in the first place? It just doesn't sit well at all with me. I know you went back to Raikaria, but still, even if this was a "hey, Mitsuki is suspicious, pay attention to her" vote, it doesn't justify a sudden switch when you are clearly still after Raikaria.
i woke up in the morning, saw that vote from mitsuki and almost did a complete 180 on my reads based on that. saying "what's the point for gunning for raikaria in the first place" is wtf since the main way i get reads from people is by pressing them. so what's scummy about my sudden vote there?
And he made a big play how...? I do not agree with him pushing CF7 on the whole role thing, but still, I've rolehunted before as town (I Wanna Be the Sereliest, anyone?), so it's not necessarily scummy.
claiming doc and not getting counterclaimed for it (yet)
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I'm nervous, okay? Expect me to be like that on deadlines (=w=;
NNR, please, if you're going to say I'm passiv-agressive or something PLEASE say that it makes me scummy from your point of view, otherwise it will always look as what it shouldn't to someone who is being pasisve-agressive.
VALIDON PLEASE VOTE RAIKARIA WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS NOT HELPING TOWN
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Actually since it'll be revealed anyway I'll say it right now, you can tell from how I worded my reveal that it takes several hammers for me to activate my power.
I think people missed this
but, like, yes, carry on
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but still, I've rolehunted before as town (I Wanna Be the Sereliest, anyone?), so it's not necessarily scummy.
btw this is not really related to the current situation but rolehunting is scummy (even though yes, townies can do it, it's still scummy as heck) and townies shouldn't do it. like seriously, fuck roles.
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and yeah shadoweh isn't getting lynched today so if someone like validon can move to place a vote on raikaria that would be great
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I still don't agree with this wagon in the slightest, but if there really is no other choice, then...
##Unvote
##Vote: Raikaria
If he flips town Shadoweh you are dead, understood?
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##Vote Raikaria
that was a glorious waste of sleep hours
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i cant count the number of hours of sleep ive lost to playing mafia
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I'm leaving this slot and letting Vhaltz replace in for me in the worst situation ever wwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Sorry for being a pain. I'll try to do better next time! Although I always try that and do worse. And then I get way too nervous.
But I'm actually nice when I don't play mafia...!
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I think we're aware. Most of us excercize a separation between game and OOC
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Yeah, but I had to make sure (?)
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I mean that people tend to act different in the game thread as opposed to outside of it, or when there isn't an ongoing game.
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we're all fairly nice people outside of mafia (i think)
it's natural to get aggressive in a game where you're roleplaying murder and lynch mobs.
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It's an interesting psychological and social experiment!
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Hammer, shut up
Song: Loading Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y6hogKehZE)
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Song: The Agent Goes Through the Night (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bglyW0WzFw)
"You're the traitor!"
"No I'm not!"
"Makoto-kun, how could you?"
"No, I didn't kill Producer-san!"
"Get her!"
Everybody formed a mob together and chased off Makoto to the beach. As Makoto was backed up to the ocean, suddenly a swarm of fangirls appeared from the ocean, grabbed Makoto, and dragged her under the waves towards the sunset. Ratings skyrocketed amongst the female fans, then immediately dropped as they realized that Makoto would not appear again.
Welcome Raikaria to The iDOLM@STER Mafia! You are Makoto Kikuchi, the Idol Prince. You are an idol employed under 765 Productions.
Abilities:
Meisou Mind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNYUfzqYJ4M) - "I chose this path and dashed off with my eye only on the goal." The princely idol who will put her body at stake to protect the weak! During commercial breaks, you may protect someone from any harm that comes their way. However, should you successfully defend someone, a second attempt without rest will prove deadly.
The Agent Goes Through the Night (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bglyW0WzFw) - "Lift me higher, endlessly, to the depths of my heart." When will you find your prince? This ability does as much as the chance you will find your prince this game. (Nothing)
You win when all opposing factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.
You can post and vote in the thread during episodes while alive. Confirm by posting in thread.
Raikaria has been sentenced to death.
It is now time for a Commercial Break. Show me some proof of your intent to play during it or get replaced.
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I want Vhaltz to replace me!
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8)
so are we allowed to post in here during the commercial break or...?
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8)
so are we allowed to post in here during the commercial break or...?
It is now time for a Commercial Break. Show me some proof of your intent to play during it or get replaced.
I think this might be a yes but I'm not exactly sure. PX?
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I'm still in here.
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Considering huhwhat's post got deleted and none of the other nighttime posts have been deleted (nor have we really been given a "DON'T POST HERE PEOPLE NOW JEEZ" message), I'm going to go ahead and assume that we're allowed to talk at nighttime. Of course if we aren't, don't hesitate to correct me, PX.
Also, in response to that deleted post:
lol nice d1 doc lynch it's almost like i'm in this game
*coughcough*Iwasagainstitandnoonelistenedtome*coughcough*
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oh fuck I forgot I actually was supposed to get on the computer before work today
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PX isn't giving out mod actions so I assume until all five of us get modkilled that we're still allowed to obvtown it up in here.
To answer the accusations that yesterday I did nothing but push people to vote for Raikaria I counter with: Yes. That's exactly what I did. And it made people vote Raikaria instead of waffling around like idiots so I'd call it mission fucking success. If you really want to blame someone, blame yourselves for fucking around on other wagons for so long that by the time you consolidated we didn't have time to agree on another wagon. Except maybe lynching me in a quickwagon because ~*~I'm Shadoweh~*~
Now to actually reread and see what to make out of what happened. I don't think Conq's argument was scum-based but then again he's tricked me with cases like that before =.= (its joke)
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so we're apparently totally allowed to post during the night, so here's stream of consciousness as I catch up from page 7 where I went to bed last night
The only other thing off the top of my head that I can think of is Mitsuki's comment about simply voting a lurker if no decision could be reached, which irks me somewhat, but Serela going "NO IT'S TOTALLY SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE READING AS SCUM" (well, in less excitable terms, but, well...) irks me too.
I said it was bad, but it's not like I was raving "OH GOD MITSUKI IS SCUM" or anything (note I never actually mentioned a desire to vote mitsuki)
It's vague mix of amusing/depressing to see Raikaria claim doc and then "Raikaria is the doc. ##Vote Raikaria" from every player. (I'm not stating actual disagreement since I had an uneducated gut desire to vote Raikaria and since I haven't reread the game in any depth yet, but WELP)
My main reason for suspecting Raikaria is because I don't buy their role description.
My main reason for suspecting CF7 is because I don't buy their role description.
uhm, even if you didn't believe Raikaria's role it was a totally non-strange sounding one, and CF7's was super confirmable as soon as night occured (which it turns out to be true in some degree)
However, I'd prefer nobody die at all, since it's day 1 and I don't like this business at all.
This is silly. (not scummy silly though, but yeah not-lynching d1 is like the worst thing, just to pass on the information)
Sky Paladin's Shadoweh case isn't half bad (for coming from them at the least, I'd need to reread Shadoweh to actually decide if I think she's scum) (BY THE WAY I KEEP SEEING ALL THESE PEOPLE CALL SHADOWEH TOWN, and yet you said I'm the one with the case of NNR?! D:)
(also I had a gut read of shadoweh as being somewhat townie but not a town read, just ftr)
Tried reading Raikaria again and ended up reading the Pokemon X/Y thread.
ALPHABET-COLOURED SCUM
zak what do you actually think about raikaria aside from his doc claim because that is the most serela post from you ive ever seen
I'VE BEEN PROMOTED TO ADJECTIVE (Or at least, it's the first time I can recall it used as an adjective for someone other then me)
FTR I do agree that Raikaria's responses to wagon and stuff didn't exactly seem the most townie-ish (It's better then Paperblade's reaction but)
Oh god I'm not the only insomniac so I can't just go "zzzzz I'll get proper opinions in order when everyone starts making their d2 posts"
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forgot to put zak and conq's names (in that order) on the last 2 quotes oops
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>BY THE WAY I KEEP SEEING ALL THESE PEOPLE CALL SHADOWEH TOWN
MALE, NOT TOWN
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I do not want to be fucking involved in that blame, because I wasn't going to fucking waffle around on Raikaria's wagon because from the beginning I was against it but by the time I actually was able to say "hey guys, this is a bad idea, what the hell are you doing," no one was willing to listen to me, especially Conqueror. You and him are on my lynching list.
Cut: @Serela: I think I was like the only voice who not only disagreed with the wagon but refused to vote for it until the very end, because I know BT and Mitsuki acknowledged it might not be the best idea but they were both like "VALIDON YOU'RE NOT HELPING TOWN OMG WTF ARE YOU DOING!?" Which is why I gave in to peer pressure even though I totally shouldn't have.
>BY THE WAY I KEEP SEEING ALL THESE PEOPLE CALL SHADOWEH TOWN
MALE, NOT TOWN
I know, right?
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Wagon blame game lynches tend to be terrible. Validon, if you can admit that you weren't able to say anything about (the wagon, lynching, doing anything in the game because you were lurking more then Zakeri) then maybe you can understand why getting a lynch together was so hard in the first place. You were part of the problem. In point of fact I think your lurking was pretty scummy. Do you have any reasons to lynch Conq and me, but especially me, that aren't because we led a case? You've got an entire commercial break to convince people to start the day on it.
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Well, Conqueror I'm not considering as much to lynch because at the very least he did express interest in other wagons. You... well, I'll have to reread you, but you are right, I don't have much else of a reason to vote you other than that you tunneled Raikaria hard.
Also, if I was scum, would I really hardcore defend Raikaria like that? Wouldn't I just have sheeped along with everyone else because I would have known it was advantageous to scum to lynch him, particularly because A- He claimed a powerful role, and B- He was too much of a distraction from the real mafia that it would ensure the safety of the actual mafia for at least a little longer? Also just to let you know, I am BUSY IRL. I managed today to have a good amount of time to spend on this. If I didn't have to deal with schoolwork or anything, I would have been on a lot longer.
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Just looked through and it just feels mostly null, although I don't like this:
Conq do you think we have time to move to another lynch/claim? We're going to be running into claims we don't want to lynch all day here. :/
I know it goes along with what you just said, but the fact that you mentioned Conq by name kind of gives me a bad feeling. Couldn't that just be, you know, directed at everyone and not just Conq?
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Also sadly, I have nulls on practically everyone else mainly because I cared mostly about the Raikaria thing and the slapfight at the beginning of the day so if you want opinions on other people from me, I have none besides the face that Mitsuki gives me bad vibes and CF7 and Dark are at the very least null if not town.
As a quick question so that we can stop having a screaming match, who is currently looking scummy to you (well besides me, since you made it clear already you think my lurking is scummy)? Or are you still rereading?
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Shadoweh's endless tunneling is kinda bad, and so is the reasoning afterwards (town nearly always manages to consolidate on a lynch with prodding or w/o.
Darkninja's tunneling is worse then Shadoweh's tunneling anyway.
Shadoweh is right on the front for blame-game scumhunting. Calling him scum for pushing a mislynch is almost as bad at trying to give yourself ~townie cred~ for avoiding a lynch.
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In an effort to promote easy readability of the game, I'm going to pretend Day 2 has started slightly early and request that people include concise summaries of
A.Who You Think Is Scum Right Now
B.Why
(note that concise means short and to the point, I'm not asking for essays)
Since we just got a lynch+flip, this is totally relevant even if you think you previously were pretty clear on this!
Yes I haven't delivered on this myself yet but uh I'll do it soon I promise? `-` (I need to reread the game, or better yet, not worry about it too much and only read the parts that are relevant from what I read of people's responses to this post)
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Mitsuki may be replacing out, but I still found his D1 play pretty souring, even when he wasn't panicing. He's pretty set as my D2 vote tomorrow. Second choice at this point would probably be Darkninja, he stuck to CF7 until he was more or less forced to get off of him, he had pretty much no reads on anyone else despite people requesting them.
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I need to ISO Validon as well, and I've noted a Serious lack of Bananas.
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You do have a point on that. It doesn't lower my suspicions in the slightest, though.
Also:
Shadoweh is right on the front for blame-game scumhunting. Calling her scum for pushing a mislynch is almost as bad at trying to give yourself ~townie cred~ for avoiding a lynch.
Fixed that for you. :V
Cut: @Serela: My current list:
Shadoweh (only for tunneling on Raikaria and making that comment where it was as if she needed to ask permission from Conq for a change in wagon, so this is almost gut but with some justification)
Mitsuki (Her posts read as urgh in a lot of cases, particularly the "let's lynch lurkers if we can't agree on a wagon! owo" thing.)
Conqueror (Although there were some points where from a certain perspective, yes, Raikaria did look scummy, there was the occasional post that felt urgh to me as well, but not to the extent of Mitsuki)
Other people I'm reading as null right now, particularly the more lurker-like people (Zakari I'm looking at you).
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Mitsuki may be replacing out, but I still found her D1 play pretty souring, even when she wasn't panicing. She's pretty set as my D2 vote tomorrow.
That too. Sorry if I'm being OCD about it. >.<;
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Everyone already knows I never remember to get Shadoweh's pronoun right
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Also didn't Mitsuki just tell me he was a guy earlier in the thread?
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No, Mitsuki is female. You might be thinking of Vhaltz (who she often hydras with).
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I'm very manly, and Vhaltz is totally gay for me.
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That's a joke. I've actually seen a few of the cosplay photos Mitsuki has shared and I can say with certainty that yes, Mitsuki is female. :V
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I swear if you guys are fucking around with gender stuff just to confuse me (when I have enough trouble dealing with it as is) I am going to flip my shit
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
THATS IT
(http://i.imgur.com/X0XFMLD.gif)
I'M DONE
NO MORE
FUCK THIS
I'M OUT
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Oh Neko you are my favorite gender confused catgirl.
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SHADOWEH YOU NEED TO ANSWER TOO >:C
I mean have you even scumhunted on people who aren't Raikaria yet?! I need to see some priorities here! It will help me read you and if you're town that should be A++!
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I know it goes along with what you just said, but the fact that you mentioned Conq by name kind of gives me a bad feeling. Couldn't that just be, you know, directed at everyone and not just Conq?
No, Conq had just voted Mitsuki and I disbelieved anyone else had the wherewithall to make another wagon actually happen, so no one else's opinion mattered.
I think your current nighttalking is better then your dayplay if that helps.
I don't think my list has changed yet actually, but we'll see. SB loses a little cred for the end-wagon zz's but that's about it. The main priority for me that sticks out is Mitsuki, but she's switching forms so I'm sort of waitng to see what Vhaltz does.
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last I know you had a list of "these are my town reads"
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Also, if I was scum, would I really hardcore defend Raikaria like that? Wouldn't I just have sheeped along with everyone else because I would have known it was advantageous to scum to lynch him, particularly because A- He claimed a powerful role, and B- He was too much of a distraction from the real mafia that it would ensure the safety of the actual mafia for at least a little longer? Also just to let you know, I am BUSY IRL. I managed today to have a good amount of time to spend on this. If I didn't have to deal with schoolwork or anything, I would have been on a lot longer.
hard defending someone who's going down is probably one of the more popular things to do as scum. see my scum game last game where i hard defended raikaria d1.
anyway could you point out the posts from mitsuki that felt urgh to you? im assuming the posts of mine that felt urgh to you were the ones you pointed out earlier.
hey serela who do you think is scum
glass houses, man, glass houses
gonna reread tomorrow but i dont think shadoweh is scum and bt and nnr are obvtown imo
still think the way cf7's claim rolled out was townie.
validon...will depend on how he answers my questions above. i get a vibe like that of polaris in pictures of birds. if he thinks he can just sit around and poke at people on the raikaria wagon he's got another thing coming to him though. ;) he's not really a priority for me right now anyway.
leaves this pool for me that im probably going to look further into:
3. Mitsuki/Vhaltz - will make a more detailed case on this slot later since im looking the most here but to me it felt like mitsuki was staying around the edge of the game for most of the day (poo-pooing the wagons on cf7 dark etc calling them easy wagons to vote for serela instead and then a segue to zakeri that boils down to "low content" when there were a lot of low content players and she didnt really distinguish between them). if i were to use one word to describe it her play it'd be...tangential i guess, sorta like affinity in town mafia. it's not until raikaria's doc claim that she jumps into that mess. sure she says she was busy (and im sure she was to an extent) but the timing is suspicious. in any case vhaltz welcome to the game!
6. ActionDan - please post more dan
7. Sky Paladin -tbh im not sure how to read this guy. i want to know why he said shadoweh was covering for cf7 when he "greyed out" cf7 from his suspects list? it's really wonky logic but i dont know if it's from scum because it's just so out there
9. Serious Bananas - hasnt posted in over 24 hours so his opinions are like insanely outdated. are we getting a replacement for him or what?
11. darkninjaabc - kinda dropped off after the initial d1 burst. would like to hear from him about people that arent cf7
I would prefer to read him as scum atm, but my incentive to lynch cf7, due to his really disorganized and weird stance plus suspicious behavior, resounds over, so I will probably start detailing a case on raikaria once we finish d1.
I only have a slight scumread on Raikaria at best, but his attitude to swap votes around and crowding on CF7 when he intially had a completely different opinion rings the bells.
could you kinda explain where you went from the first post to the second though?
13. Serela -i keep on going back and forth on serela. serela what do you think about cf7?
14. Zakeri - repeating my request to zak to make a non-serela post because at this point his reads are really unclear
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*serela what do you think about cf7 "right now"?
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No mod announcement for replacement I see, w/e.
Just checking in to say I'll be around to make meaningful posts in around 4~ish hours once I finish my morning practicals which I literally haven't had any other day in two months. Talk about an unlucky day to replace in.
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Vhaltz replaces Mitsuki
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that thing I said about sleep hours is because I have 11 hours of lectures to go through before I get home, just fyi
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Oh, guys, seriously? You lynched a claimed doc...
It's time to reread the thread. Also i'm concerned about Sky Paladin and Action Dan who are kind of flying under radar atm. And i i'll write my thoughts in a few hours or so.
P.S. Shadoweh, you're awesome. :V
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SOMEONE HAS TO BE ^_^b
I'm kinda waiting for Vhaltz to say things actually, and its like bedtime, so I might post before the night ends maybe not. I'm not concerned with Ninja dropping off because he's obvtown, he could stop posting if he wanted to.
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I'm here now kinda
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My impression on sky paladin is generally negative, as he is lurking too much. We either need him to get out of his shell or crack it outselves by lynching.
NNR is leaning on my scum radar, but on a whole I townread him.
I smell conq to be slightly scum, but that's a bit biased considering his excellent play last match.
Though currently I would like to ask you all to lynch cf7, reasons stated refer my earlier posts.
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Day 1 Skynews:
The whole drama of the day started with Raikaria voting to lynch darkninjaabc and some back and forth between them with a few others chipping here and there.
The first actual vote on Raikaria was by Serela. Mitsuki followed up very soon, along with Shadoweh. Mitsuki then switched out their vote. Conqueror voted for Raikaria very shortly after. The main argument for voting for Raikaria at this stage was because Raikaria was being aggressive towards Darkninjaabc. Note that at this time CF7 was also getting votes for the same general reason. At Dormio Got Out of Bed Time, CF7 was at 5, and Raikaria on 2.
After this, CF7 claimed and elucidated a role, and votes peeled away on to Raikaria. Raikaria claimed doc. Turns out Raikaria was doc. Oops.
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Miscellaneous bits and pieces:
No Lynch tells us no information and denies town some control on who dies (since Scum will always kill a non-scum, and usually the strongest player alive), therefore a lynch is always preferable to no lynch.
In vanilla mafia, it's better to not lynch if there is an odd number of players.
In any mafia, it's better not to lynch if there's a good chance the suspect is a towny - as myself and a few others stated as likely. Oh well. Shadoweh promised us cake, however. It'd better be jam and cream filled.
Conqueror
7. Sky Paladin -tbh im not sure how to read this guy. i want to know why he said shadoweh was covering for cf7 when he "greyed out" cf7 from his suspects list? it's really wonky logic but i dont know if it's from scum because it's just so out there
I was evaluating who to vote for from my original list of four suspects - Conqueror, Shadoweh, CF7, and Raikaria. I'd since removed Raikaria from the list. I realise upon re-reading my post it's entirely unclear what I'm talking about since nobody knew what the hell I was referring to. I took CF7 off the list when I decided that since Raikaria had read non-scum to me as well as revealing their role, and since CF7 had also revealed their role, there was a good chance that CF7 was not-scum also.
But while Raikaria had two green plus signs from me, CF7 only had one. Therefore, CF7 was more likely scum in the last part of my ramble; I later re-entered CF7 to the scenario when I suggested that the reason Shadoweh was going after Rakaria was to protect CF7.
So that's a big mystery X next to that green plus, and that X is 'Shadoweh'.
Shadoweh
Do you have any reasons to lynch Conq and me, but especially me, that aren't because we led a case? You've got an entire commercial break to convince people to start the day on it.
My reason is because you lynched Raikaria OVER CF7. Conq and Mitsuki are also suspect, but you are the one I am holding responsible.
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Wall incoming, I got interrupted by a meeting with an old friend since I'm doing this at uni.
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Posting while in commercial break is kinda shit though.
Mitsuki's whole mid D1 Zakeri thing can be explained pretty easily but I need some questions answered before I do that so it'll have to wait a couple of hours. The rest of her play is really just an issue of time, she was juggling mafia with making 3+ cosplays for the incoming Salon del Manga (which is the biggest con in Spain), helping her friends with their own cosplays and studying two exams that are right before and right after the con. She didn't have the time nor energy she needed to read through everything properly and get proper reads (hence voting Zakeri for rolerelated shenanigans, consolidation voting before catching up and being pretty misguided about Conq altogether) which is also why I'm replacing in sooner than I expected to.
Probably doesn't help much as it is but it'll all make sense once I get to explaining the Zak thing.
That aside there's other people who exist this game. I haven't done a single reread yet though so this is all kinda just on the go first impressions stuff.
Sky Paladin is a pretty cool guy, I liked his reasoning behind the clear on Raikaria (especially after flip) because it's the kind of minutiae that town takes note of while scum ignores, he had earlier voiced dislike of Raikaria's claim/role description too so there was really nothing stopping him from jumping on the wagon on "claim is fake" grounds. I also liked his vote on Shadoweh happening at that particular time of the day even though the D1 scumbuddies case in itself is really not that great.
At first I didn't like BT because hammering powers are a thing I'd give a scum role so they have to risk extra scrutiny to get them, but then the game went on and nothing he posted really looked scummy even though I was already kinda biased over the role thing. I kinda townread in a similar way to Paladin in that he seemed to also be seeking for small towntelling details. If I had to choose among Paladinman and BT I'd probably choose BT atm, not that I'd have to anytime soon because there's plenty of other people to look into who seem much more likely to be scum.
Conq appears to be posting stream of thoughts most of the time, I remember a few terrible typos that made me think that he wasn't reviewing the posts which is something I'd expect him to do as scum. Could just be really relaxed since everybody is reading him town, but he doesn't really read anywhere close to his past game (even though I wouldn't expect him to play the same, it's mostly gut on tone and posting style). I figure I'll look into him further if we're both still alive later in the game.
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I don't like Shadoweh. The drunk on ego GreyICE attitude is not something I've seen her do before, and not only does that mean that she's calling out on everybody else for sucking at the game, she's also giving herself merits for consolidation that don't really apply.
She started pushing the Raikaria wagon in her #129 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033196.html#msg1033196) which was around when half the day had gone by, CF7 claimed and Raikaria was at two votes. The only wagon waffling that happened after CF7's claim scattering the wagon was when Rai was left at L-2 or L-1 and claimed doc, then people scattered again to try to lynch Mitsuki/Shadoweh/Conq instead. Shadoweh wasn't around for that period of time when it was crucial to get people back on a big wagon to get a lynch for the day.
So no, Shadoweh didn't do anything special. Honestly, if you can't get your scumread lynched over an actual case that you're pushing for and that convinces other people to join the wagon in other ways that aren't pressuring with "VOTE X OR YOU'RE A RETARD", I'm pretty sure the game is better off without this kind of pushing around. My whole issue with this is that it's very convenient for scum to play "town leader" like this to push hard for lynches under the pretense of getting their scumread lynched and be able to put out minimal content this way. All there is to Shadoweh's name other than the Raikaria push are a bunch of seemingly arbitrary townreads with no explanation to them.
She could be seen as town with what I said I guess, but I'm just really gutting hard scum on the responses to the tunneling accusations going "no I did good it's just that you suck so I have to do it for you". I'd burn it.
NNR had a thing in mid-D1 interactions with several people where he wasn't scumhunting at all and just seemed to be calling out bad arguments from other cases and why they were bad. It felt like the "no town you're doing it wrong" posts that are tempting to make as scum since you're technically being helpful to town and it looks like you're doing something (which is part of the reason I gut scum on Shadoweh's latest posts now that I managed to put that into words). But later on he evolved into blatant rolefishing at Mitsuki's rolerelated Zak shenanigans which he always seems to do as town (I imagine he would attempt to avoid it as scum) and seems to be pursuing his cases in his typical fashion of hypocrisy and other things that imo are pretty bad as scumtells which points quite a bit at town!NNR. I think I'd put him somewhere in between BT and Conq in my earlier townread section.
CF7 presence felt like it died down a lot once the wagon scattered after the claim, which feels like a scum move, but when I checked his ISO real quick he did actually post quite a few times after that, just with really little content, which kind of resembles the small posts before he became a main wagon. The scattered claim thing seemed too odd for scum to do and role is proven, but I don't think that the role alone makes him auto-town, I could see the role being part of a scumrole as a handicap. And... not much else to say from memory really, I need a reread on him.
Actually I think pretty much everyone else is people who I haven't given much scrutiny in my first readthrough (Serela, Validon, SB, Dan, Zak and ninja) so I think I'll just stop here to go get lunch and reread when I get back. I start lessons in two hours though so I might not be able to write up another post before I go.
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Shadoweh
My reason is because you lynched Raikaria OVER CF7. Conq and Mitsuki are also suspect, but you are the one I am holding responsible.
It sounds like you cleared Raikaria for being the doc. I wasn't sure if he was. CF7 is town anyway so I don't feel bad for not choosing to lynch one townie over another. You have to look at it from the perspective that both were the wrong lynch instead of just focusing on how the lynch we got was the town flipping one.
In other news Vhaltz doesn't like be for being a town leader which is what scum do? The thing is if CF7 is town, and you at least think he's null-town, I had no reason to care. It's easier as scum to go 'oh, that CF7 lynch is bad, well I'm voting Raikaria, hope things turn out well!' And then play Minecraft for 8 hours. I could build a house, try to dig out that lava pit again and try not to drown, I really don't like things that require my presence as scum. It's just how I am.
And you've never seen me be a terrible person in mafia? I'll take that as a compliment and not be inclined to show proof otherwise. >_>
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I lied because I hadn't read from Conq's wall onwards and I wanted to get that done before getting lunch. Also a friend is watching Dopefish play Incredipede right next to me and it's pretty distracting.
In other news Vhaltz doesn't like be for being a town leader which is what scum do?
Way to throw the sentence out of context Shadoweh.
Since people are likely to skip my walls at some point or another I'll point out again that pretending to be town leader as scum by pushing lynches forth without a case is a very convenient strategy. No need to put out other content, no need to put out cases, no need to do anything really, just fake rage at people for not voting who you want them to vote and you've got your cover as "townie who thinks the ends justify the means".
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I wouldn't call myself town leader honestly, I'm just annoyed at the idea that DOING SOMETHING means you're scummier then watching people do things. It's not just you. I don't think I was ever angry yesterday either, so I'm not sure where that comes from. People just see all caps better. Best scum strategy = no caps
But to counter what you've said, you point out I started pushing Raikaria right after CF7's claim. CF7's claim was p damn townie, so the timing isn't a coindicence. As for not being here after Rai claimed doc, it was like, 8am so I fell asleep. I hope you aren't implying I purposely lurked through the possibility of a quickwagon on me. :V I guarenteed would have freaked out if I were here.
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It was "I am fed up with this. Do what you want"
Potential vote for Serela because i'm not suicidal and kind of want to see some other wagon that is not me.Omg. More paranoia. How i am supposed to defend against this?
Can someone translate that for me? Because my brain sort of short circuits on this.
Anyway thoughts.
NNR is likely town, i'm not sure why, but usually i read him as town. As is Shadoweh.
I'm still unsure about BT. Maybe i'm just prejudiced against a hammering role. But okay, he might be town.
Darkie keeps insisting that i'm baaaaad. His overall behaviour
Serela. Tbh, what ticks me off is his sort of opportunistic jump on my wagon without much reasoning. Later he tries to justify it, while saying that yes his jump was not really justified, but now my defense is so bad and i'm likely scum, so Serela can keep his vote on me. Tbh, i think that's a scum tell.
Can't say much about sky paladin, but as he's basically dark horse here he might swing either way.
Validon/Mitsuki pretty much null atm.
Zak. Aside from jump on my wagon based on BT pointing to contradiction in my posts can't say much about him. Probably town.
Raikaria looks... town'ish.
In the light of the above.
I'll vote for either Serela or Darkie unless he does something about his paranoia.
Also i'm the glorious ~Vanilla Townie~. Again. How come i'm playing role madness game and i'm a VT again? It's a fucking conspiracy...
Note the very last bit of his post.
Green colour is reseved for mod usage only.
Yet during his claim, he used this mod only color.
And again somehow, after the lynch is completely over and we enter n1, no announcement have been made in this regard.
@PX: Is this intentional
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OMG.
Darkie. You're beautiful. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/Smileys/default/getdown.gif)
FYI the color i used is actually darkgreen. There's a difference.
Seriously can you think of something even more laughable?
Anyway post incoming. Just couldn't ignore this.
Do not use green Zzzzz
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Takeout lunch is cool.
I hope you aren't implying I purposely lurked through the possibility of a quickwagon on me. :V I guarenteed would have freaked out if I were here.
Not what I have said either. I pointed out your being missing during that period of time because it was the most important part of the day when it comes to wagon consolidation, which is what were praising yourself so much for doing not long ago (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033850.html#msg1033850), but couldn't have done when it was most important because you plain weren't there.
I could get parading your townieness over role shenanigans and maybe associative reads with flipped scum, but when people wave the "I'm doing townie things man just look at how townie they are" flag it just reeks of scum who want to make sure they got their cred (see Hw in whatever mafia game it was that Schezo hosted where he forced the hell out of RVS and then reminded everybody of how that tends to be a towntell).
The "scum would rather not put themselves in the spotlight" argument doesn't work either because people have different ways of playing scum and many prefer to be active or write in all caps or whatever.
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SkyPaladin's post
I took CF7 off the list when I decided that since Raikaria had read non-scum to me as well as revealing their role, and since CF7 had also revealed their role, there was a good chance that CF7 was not-scum also.
How does this logic even work
Raikaria claimed and you think he's town, so since CF7 has also claimed, he's town? ??????
My reason is because you lynched Raikaria OVER CF7. Conq and Mitsuki are also suspect, but you are the one I am holding responsible.
More ??? I don't get this. What are you trying to say here? Shadoweh had CF7 as a townread the whole time. Are you really mad we didn't lynch CF7 or something? It's still not a reason Shadoweh is scum unless CF7 actually flips scum in the future (making cases off an assumption someone is scum when they haven't flipped is generally not good- it means you should lynch the assumed scum first, not the other person)
As for Conq asking me about CF7 that's a good question! Uhm. I wouldn't exactly mind lynching him but I have to admit that at some point after the claim my reasoning for voting him was supplemented into "I don't want to think anymore let's just keep going full steam and NOT get brainwashed by roleshenanigans"
And then I forgot about mafia when I woke up and just went to work without jumping on the computer first and missed the last third of d1 >_>
SHADOWEH WHO DO YOU THINK IS SCUM I'M NOT GOING TO LEAVE YOU ALONE
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Okay Dark is probably town too, I just don't see scum bringing up that as a point to contribute to an already existing case. What do you think of other people who aren't CF7, Dark?
I can't really tell anything from Zak or Dan's posts, specially Dan, Zak I could maybe look into more in depth again just in case when I have time later on. From what I read Dan has IRL stuff going on but I'd like to see them play the game sometime soon.
I kinda like Validon but I suspect it's just because he dislikes Shadoweh like I do. I feel like it would be a bad idea for Validon!scum to add Town!Conq to their scumreads but idk if that's a towntell I'd put any confidence into.
I'm running out of time and I barely got any serious rereading done. But that still leaves scum among just Shadoweh, Serela, SB, Dan and Zak, with Validon and CF7 being minor possibilities as well, I'll be back to read the bunch of them I haven't read yet in a couple of hours.
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Eh, since I posted about quite a bunch of townreads there I figure I should say that the Wouldn't Lynch At All List only contains Sky Paladin and BT so far. The rest are reads I find useful atm but I could see myself being wrong with.
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No post today. I'm totally exhausted from today's work.
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In vanilla mafia, it's better to not lynch if there is an odd number of players.
In any mafia, it's better not to lynch if there's a good chance the suspect is a towny - as myself and a few others stated as likely. Oh well. Shadoweh promised us cake, however. It'd better be jam and cream filled.
Nope. If you no lynch with odd players, Scum will simply NK the townie least likely to be lynched, removing an otherwise strong player from the game.
Raikaria's flip provides reads and insight into possible ulterior motives of scum on the wagon, and the majority thought he would flip scum anyway (I sure was confident in the lynch)
There is absolutely no benefit to a No Lynch, excepting in a case where there's no other option but to lynch a confirmed townie (likely due to gametime restraints and a last minute reveal or something that basically never happens)
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Game mechanics aside, I'm probably too busy for now to read anything else, but I'll be around sooner or later.
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P.S. Scum needs two votes instead of one to quickhammer in an odd-man LYLO, that can be its own benefit (aside from having another townie to discuss who the remaining scum are).
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NNR had a thing in mid-D1 interactions with several people where he wasn't scumhunting at all and just seemed to be calling out bad arguments from other cases and why they were bad. It felt like the "no town you're doing it wrong" posts that are tempting to make as scum since you're technically being helpful to town and it looks like you're doing something (which is part of the reason I gut scum on Shadoweh's latest posts now that I managed to put that into words). But later on he evolved into blatant rolefishing at Mitsuki's rolerelated Zak shenanigans which he always seems to do as town (I imagine he would attempt to avoid it as scum) and seems to be pursuing his cases in his typical fashion of hypocrisy and other things that imo are pretty bad as scumtells which points quite a bit at town!NNR. I think I'd put him somewhere in between BT and Conq in my earlier townread section.
>My play is so typically bad that it's now a towntell
(http://i.imgur.com/FgK4rx0.png)
(and I thought I was pretty strong so far this game too)
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you HAVE been playing pretty okay and I would classify this as a point against Vhaltz
except I'll finish reading first
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reason for this preliminary thing:
NNR had a thing in mid-D1 interactions with several people where he wasn't scumhunting at all and just seemed to be calling out bad arguments from other cases and why they were bad. It felt like the "no town you're doing it wrong" posts that are tempting to make as scum since you're technically being helpful to town and it looks like you're doing something (which is part of the reason I gut scum on Shadoweh's latest posts now that I managed to put that into words)
bolded is an argument I've thought of employing as scum multiple times, it's a really easy way of painting scummy most cases on bad play
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like Vhaltz doesn't actually use it here as a point against NNR but I do feel this misrep shouldn't have been made, or idk
I'll go read now
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Tempted to comment on something but I'll wait until the updated post version.
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Why wait?
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Because updated posts would likely clear up doubts about whether what I'm thinking about is due to one thing or another thing.
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I think i lost my conviction on my scum reads, I'm at a loss what to do.
Dark ninja is simply so bad I don't think his scumbuddies would let him keep doing that.
i don't even know what to think of Valtzuki
and now my play is apparently too terrible to be scummy
orz
aaaagh
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What do you think about Shadoweh?
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I... don't think Validon's scum judging by his posts
today tonight DAMMIT
Hey Conq it's okay Serela is town. You can look elsewhere.
I'm actually kind of interested in shoving SB and Dan off virtual cliffs to see what happens because they're not involved enough.
Though currently I would like to ask you all to lynch cf7, reasons stated refer my earlier posts.
I'm going to call you Alphabet Ninja from now on. You're not getting CF7 lynched anytime soon like this.
I've gone back and forth on Shadoweh from her nightposts but you know what I'm going to say town. Gets her town opinion on Serela and Validon exactly when I do, responses to shit don't read fake, dunno, paranoia is fading.
I'm actually tempted to say Vhaltz is town too after actually reading his post. Though that's more based on an overdose of small tidy points so it could be he's just overprepared scum but blegh.
Let's consult the list. (borrowing conq's nnr read)
Alive and L@dy
1. CF7
2. Shadoweh
3. Mitsuki/Vhaltz
5. NNR
6. ActionDan
7. Sky Paladin
8. Validon98
9. Serious Bananas
10. Conq
12. BT
11. darkninjaabc
13. Serela
14. Zakeri
...possible, maybe. I think I'll look into lynching Zak or something. Or Vhaltz if I hate myself enough.
I just kind of noticed the time so I'm putting this out there.
Second and Last Warning. Do NOT use green
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But like the players who should be -considered- tomorrow are Zak SB Vhaltz Dan and maybe Shadoweh or something. Maybe poke Sky Paladin and see what happens. The other choices should be off-limits.
Yeah, off-limits. This time really.
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oh shit sorry
I think I didn't see the warning last time
the post above should be good enough though
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oops forgot deadline was early because of hammer
pretty much agree with bt's list
vhaltz's posts remind me of what i did last game where i got reads off extremely minor stuff so it was fairly easy for me to renenge on them later in the game but ive yet to read them fully, just getting this out there
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Re: Serela @ 390
How does this logic even work
Raikaria claimed and you think he's town, so since CF7 has also claimed, he's town?
Raikaria claimed AND voted in a townway. He didn't vote to save his neck (which was still possible, just unlikely, at that point). That was why he read town to me. Up until that vote, I was totally going to jump in on the bandwagon. But when I came back he'd acted in an unexpected way. So he had 'two green plus signs' next to him. In the absence of any strong red minus signs, this was enough for me to say 'probably town'. That's why I didn't want to lynch him, and said so.
CF7 also claimed but didn't behave in a town way. So he only got one green plus sign (but no negative signs). However, Shadoweh was behaving in a non-town way and got a big red minus sign. Plus, she showed no remorse (only postulating justification and apparent glee) that she killed a towny. I'd already voted against her before Raikaria showed green. The behaviour so far is reinforcing this. However, my main reason for voting Shadoweh was because even though she was saying that it was imperative that we lynched somebody, when we had the chance to easily lynch CF7, she chose the harder route of Raikaria. It doesn't line up with her stated objective. Therefore, I believe there is a hidden motive.
I think she she is so far acting consistently as scum, so that's why I'm considering her (and her immediate allies) as suspicious. Also, if I am totally wrong, scum will think I'm not a threat, so I'm likely to last out the commercial break ^__~
NekoNekoRex @ 394
Nope. If you no lynch with odd players, Scum will simply NK the townie least likely to be lynched, removing an otherwise strong player from the game.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=No_Lynch is where I got my information from. There's a line here that says 'Players may No Lynch in order to maintain an odd number of living players, which is mathematically advantageous.' but to be honest, I never looked up the maths and just assumed it was correct.
At this stage, which players do you think will be NKd? If they unexpectedly survive, they could be scums. Maybe keep that list to yourself for now, and post it after the phase is over.
BT, your list is all monochrome now. Can we see it again with bolding or something instead of green? Thanks <3
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like the point about suspecting bt because "hammering powers make sense to be given to scum" when it's purely a null tell is huh, makes me feel like he's trying to pad out something when he could have just given the latter part of the paragraph as he comes to the conclusion of bt town anyway
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I was waiting for D2 to start but it starts really close to my bedtime and I have a looooong conference tomorrow morning I found out about this very afternoon. So let's just get this out of the way now that I have time because I probably won't have that much tomorrow.
http://i.imgur.com/NZuiZFK.gif
Me and Mitsuki are neighbors with 3 other people in the game. At least one expressed disapproval about claiming it so I'm not gonna say who they are, they'll just say so if they feel like it.
The reason why this claim is a thing that's happening is because of the Zak roleshenanigans mid-D1 that seemed to spark most of the concerns with Mitsuki. Our role PM didn't specify the amount of other people in the neighbor QT, and at first there were only three of us in there, Mitsuki was probably suspicious that this was an ideal scenario for scum to lurk the QT without posting and anybody knowing they exist in there, so she watched the unique views counter on the QT and noticed an extra view popping up after a while.
I don't recall exactly what time it was that this happened, but Zakeri was one of the last to post saying he hadn't even read his PM yet, so he was a prime suspect for this view who wasn't posting, hence why Mitsuki asked him for a nameclaim (since it was also brought up in the QT that the group made more sense as a group of four than as a group of three flavor-wise) and pursued him with what she could find within his little content because she was pretty convinced he was scum. The nameclaim could've outed him as lurking scum if he had claimed the fourth member of the group as a rolename, or could've been counterclaimed if he decided to make it up on the go.
What happened later that made her drop the nameclaim thing is a tough thing to explain. To put it as simply as possible, the fourth member of the group just appeared in the QT since there was apparently a misunderstanding with his PM, and this fourth person wasn't Zak.
So yeah, that's pretty much everything that happened behind the scenes with Mitsuki's mid-D1 posts. I think she still continued to think Zak was maybe scum after that because he's one of the few people she ever had time to read in depth, even if what she found wasn't all that meaningful if she had managed to get to reread everything as a whole. The Conq part she came up with I never really understood and I was also puzzled about what happened in the last few hours of D1. I think she felt bad about leaving me to replace into a slot that was looking not too good and that she had to try and fix the few scumreads on her. I guess I could argue that as scum Mitsuki could've just stopped posting entirely and wait for the day to end to avoid attracting more attention to herself after Conq set her case aside and switched votes onto Raikaria for the deadline lynch.
Cut by BT.
Okay the thing I mentioned earlier is that your shorter posts back there didn't make much sense* and I was just wondering if you hadn't thought it out properly or if you were purposefully BS'ing things to continue the echo chamber on the slot considering the amount of people who had been disliking Mitsuki so far.
The sudden switch in read coupled with the wording style of the earlier posts means that you probably just got that idea while skimming and decided to write out stream of consciousness without really thinking about it much. It's cool that you're still town.
* I wasn't using the point to paint him as scum so the only possible scummy thing left about would've been pushes for paranoia, and those generally come the other way around "I think X is town but this other thing means there's an offchance he might be scum". And at this point scum would have to outright BS a case on NNR to get him lynched since he is mostly being townread by people and nobody has voiced intent to lynch him, subtle pushes like what you were implying just wouldn't cut it and would be useless for hypothetical scum!me.
I'll also add that it would be a legit point I would use regardless because some players do have a tendency to have a "you're doing it wrong" tone towards townies when rolling scum. E.g I'm pretty sure it happened to Shadoweh in Gensokyo Holy War mafia.
Regarding the rest of the post, I'm kind of hoping Dan comes along and either replaces out or puts out a decent post soon, I don't really feel like the crapshoot kind of lurker lynch on the one with almost literally no content. Among SB and Zak it's a tough one but I think I'd lynch Zak first because iirc SB is currently in two or three games so I could see the lack of activity, whereas Zak is more likely just lurking it out also looking at it from a meta standpoint. Kind of lame reasoning but that's how my priorities would be atm, I'll comment on them again once I get to reading the few of SB's walls.
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SHADOWEH WHO DO YOU THINK IS SCUM I'M NOT GOING TO LEAVE YOU ALONE
ET TU SERELA
WHO ARE YOU SCUMREADS
cut by something huge oh god
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okay that post didnt enlighten me as much as i'd hoped
vhaltz why are you less aggressive in this game than in games like town mafia and 3sk setup mafia where you were basically calling for blood? yes you just replaced in but if anything id expect a replacement to be more aggressive than usual given that they have a clean slate.
also, i'm curious about how you're able to explain mitsuki's reasoning re the zak thing. uh, did she leave you a message or something?
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Uh, damn, I should've split that into two different posts for readability.
That said I don't recommend skipping it, if you've scrolled down and skipped it read the first part until you get to the Cut by BT part.
Cut by Conq: She posted all that stuff in the neighbor QT and I was spectating it while I waited to replace in.
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since it's been outed and it's fairly obvious. I'm one of the neighbors. there was a reason why I voted Mitsuki and then unvoted later. atm, I think that Vhaltz is 3rd party if not town. but not scum.
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also I'm waiting for NKs. I really don't see a point in contributing until the next day. neighbors should know why
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PX is a troll for claiming green as the mod color, trufax >_> (Green being one of the two colors people are actually fairly likely to use in their posts at some point because ALIGNMENTS- normally mod colours are ones people don't ever really use anyway)
Anyway, Sky Paladin: the thing about it is that claiming isn't a Town Thing, it's something you're just expected to do if everyone is about to lynch you. That's why I was "huuuuh?"
The behaviour so far is reinforcing this. However, my main reason for voting Shadoweh was because even though she was saying that it was imperative that we lynched somebody, when we had the chance to easily lynch CF7, she chose the harder route of Raikaria. It doesn't line up with her stated objective. Therefore, I believe there is a hidden motive.
Nah, that's not how things work here. More or less everyone understands that getting a lynch is super important, so there's pretty much no chance of a No Lynch occuring unless people are horrible at consolidating and then not around at deadline; Shadoweh went after Raikaria because she thought Raikaria was scum and CF7 was town, as clearly stated in her posts. There was no reason to go after CF7 instead- no lynch was not an issue and there was plenty of support for lynching Raikaria.
I don't think you're scummy for this because it's pretty clearly just a massive difference in playstyle, but some speedbumps as you get used to playing here is okay! :D
also I'm waiting for NKs. I really don't see a point in contributing until the next day. neighbors should know why
and then everyone realizes who the 4th qt member who never showed up is
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dan, can you confirm vhaltz's statement about the posting in the neighborhood? also what makes you think third party but not mafia?
* I wasn't using the point to paint him as scum so the only possible scummy thing left about would've been pushes for paranoia, and those generally come the other way around "I think X is town but this other thing means there's an offchance he might be scum". And at this point scum would have to outright BS a case on NNR to get him lynched since he is mostly being townread by people and nobody has voiced intent to lynch him, subtle pushes like what you were implying just wouldn't cut it and would be useless for hypothetical scum!me.
I'll also add that it would be a legit point I would use regardless because some players do have a tendency to have a "you're doing it wrong" tone towards townies when rolling scum. E.g I'm pretty sure it happened to Shadoweh in Gensokyo Holy War mafia.
re: the former it's not useless for a hypothetical scum!you? if other people pick up on the point and run with it they dont necessarily have to run with your townread. saying that scum would have to outright bs a case on NNR is a massive overstatement when for instance in the last game i managed to push through most of my preferred lynches with waffling statements that other people partially agreed with.
re: the latter this would just be mafia theory but there are also players who use that tone regardless of alignment, so :V
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also Shadoweh is getting a vote to the face when D2 starts if she can't tell me who she thinks is scum and why >:c DID YOU EVER EVEN POST REASONS RAIKARIA WAS SCUM UNTIL POST-CLAIM I MEAN REALLY
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The reason why Dan voted Mitsuki is because Mitsuki jumped into the QT thinking she was scum. Role PMs were given past our usual bedtime here and she saw a QT and a vaguely worded wincon that could go both ways and she just assumed she was scum.
Thankfully if you think about it a little, it doesn't really make sense for a scum + neighbor to run headfirst into the wrong QT and post assuming scum. This is probably the reason why Dan rules out scum but not ITP.
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Thankfully if you think about it a little, it doesn't really make sense for a scum + neighbor to run headfirst into the wrong QT and post assuming scum. This is probably the reason why Dan rules out scum but not ITP.
Mafia isn't a game that makes logical sense, and in any case it's happened before. Shadoweh knows the game I'm talking about.
Kinda wish Mitsuki was here so I could ask her why she thought she was scum just because she was given a neighbor QT but welp.
also serela is lame for not reading my posts
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looooooooooooooooooool
Also Conq I'll go reread your posts in a little bit then ;_; I admit I kind of skimmed them
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okay yeah i just rechecked my role pm to see if px colored it and i dont see how the hell she could have missed the green in the opening line.
it's possible if she's scum she posted in the wrong qt. i've seen scum post in the game thread stuff they were trying to send to the mod or post in the mafia chat.
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oh there was a big question that I avoided on purpose the first time you said it
I've been being lazy about figuring out who I think is scum because d2 hasn't actually started yet `________________` Instead I'm just making sure everyone is at least doing a half-decent job to make sure there's no super easy scum hanging out to get lynchmurdered
Shadoweh sure is kind of working her way onto that category though, wow!
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dan why the hell did you unvote that
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okay yeah i just rechecked my role pm to see if px colored it and i dont see how the hell she could have missed the green in the opening line.
it's possible if she's scum she posted in the wrong qt. i've seen scum post in the game thread stuff they were trying to send to the mod or post in the mafia chat.
She greeted me as if I were her scum buddy.
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yeah rofl I was just going to yell at you because there's green in the pm
one does not miss the green in the pm
Dormio does :V
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She greeted me as if I were her scum buddy.
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
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so d2 is a vhaltz lynched followed by an explanation how a vhaltz lynch didn't happen on d1
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Okay sure echo chamber further by abusing overly specific examples to shoot down arguments that run against your bias Conq.
Let me say this: Mitsuki posted the "yay I'm scum that's cool" post in the 8th post or so in the QT. At this point Dan and the other guy in the QT had already posted and it was impossible for her to have noticed that they weren't the scumbuddies that the PM said she had, had she rolled scum.
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dan why the hell did you unvote that
Because of what Vhaltz said sorta? atm I'm playing dota and skimming all these new and interesting developments for you guys
the green in the pm was why I was very uncertain as to that argument but I'm willing to overlook it since I don't think the slot is on the scum team
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I'unno it'd be a pretty bad mistake to not even realize "oh wait this person isn't on my list of scumbuddies" as you talk to them in your QT
I mean it's one thing to mispost and another to specifically refer to the neighbors as scumbuddies when that's the wrong set of people
It's maybe not a clear on Mitsukislot, but it's definitely not an autolynch >_>
Hey PX do the scum get told in their RolePM who their buddies are?
No comment
out-of-context this is a fairly innocent question, so
Cut by BT exploding, that is really the only NK I could have seen happening so along with business as usual
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oh right ##Vote Shadoweh WHO ARE THE SCUM AND WHY COME ON
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rofl. ok. p sure everyone in the QT is town
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Mitsuki was half asleep, she has made plenty of other visible mistakes in the game thread because she wasn't paying enough attention, what makes you think she isn't just clumsy and wanted to think she rolled scum because she was looking forward to playing scum?
If you guys want me to claim now I'll claim because I gotta go to bed soon.
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huh so i guess bt was the third party?
vhaltz: ~_~ I'm just sorta :derp: :derp: :derp: :derp: about this whole thing.
on the one hand yeah misreading who your scumbuddies are is pretty NEXT LEVEL PLAY
on the other hand if she was super excited about wanting to be scum she could have momentarily misread it, so
im going to largely say this is null and look at the rest of the posting
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Oh wait BT was a third party kind-of-SK-but-not-really capable of a special neutral win? Well then!
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dan looks a little better but i still want reads from him
##vote: zakeri
i wanna start here actually
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like i dont think zakeri posts like serela naturally, or if he does it's not this blatant. at the end of the day all he has is cf7 scum and raikaria null which is pretty bad
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Okay sure echo chamber further by abusing overly specific examples to shoot down arguments that run against your bias Conq.
okay no i wanted to say this first.
if you're going to use overly specific anecdotes to explain why you're town, im going to use overly specific examples to say why your defense is bullshit.
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I think this was just an issue of me knowing Mitsuki for 1+ year and you guys having only played one or two games with her. All of these things that probably seem like very unbelievable when added up are just something that I assume is normal to happen to her.
okay no i wanted to say this first.
if you're going to use overly specific anecdotes to explain why you're town, im going to use overly specific examples to say why your defense is bullshit.
That post was me starting to think you were scum trying to bullshit through everything to go through with the lynch you had set yourself up for, but honestly I think as scum you would've lagged a little bit in noticing that I couldn't have been the ITP wincon anymore with the BT flip since you were so overeager to lynch me. Meaning you would've skipped reading cuts at this point to continue pushing it instead of actually reading what was happening.
It was really stupid for me to bring up the point about Mitsuki derping in the QT though. I'm never doing anything like that again regardless of alignment.
I'd say something else about the other players but at this point all I can think of is that this was a really fucking stupid idea and that I'm lucky that specifically BT had the ITP win.
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you're assuming i was voting you because i thought you were ITP, which isn't completely true :v i was about 50/50 on it.
in any case let's brush all that to the side. who do you think is scum now?
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*pushing, not voting, but etc
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You know, BT wasn't an ITP, he was a townie with an alternate win condition. It's possible there's more then one town that has one.
I'm busy right now but all I can say is what? Multiple neighbour qt shenanigans, the last time I was in a QT and one of the members asked if we were scum partners, she was actually scum. >_>
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I still kinda gut Shadoweh scum but it's not something I have that much confidence in. I'm not even sure if I'd lynch her over Zak at this point even considering that all that would be driving me to his lynch would be meta (didn't lurk hard last games he was town in, posted shorter and more contentful posts rather than less contentful... well not really, but less readable long ones if I had to describe them somehow) and that the flip makes me pretty sure the other two who are short on content are either town or really ballsy gambitting scum. This last thing is a QT thing, dunno if I should go in-depth about it, I'll just let Dan do it if he thinks it should be public.
But over those two, and this is something I think you might yell at me for. I think NNR is likely scum, yeah even though I said he was town earlier and even though you pointed out how several of my townreads could be easily switchable. His two posts that refrence/reply to my townread were supposed to sound depressed, but they read really, really fake (first post made me scratch my head, second one with the "lost conviction oh dear what do" raised my alarms). I've thought this ever since he posted the last one but I was under heavy scrutiny so I figured I'd maybe claim when D2 started and post a full case tomorrow when I had time for it. Now I'm just skipping sleep to deliver and I'm saying all this undoublechecked.
Other reasons why he's probably scum is he promised to re-read Validon but never did so and went passive mode in his latest post. I know I've also promised rereads that haven't gotten there yet but I just recently replaced in, was on the spotlight for lynch candidacy to worry about more urgently and I'm not being passive about not having solid scumreads. Everybody who I did manage to get a decently read ISO out of just ended up reading town or null. There's also how I think everyone else on the doctor wagon was town except maybe Shadoweh, but I could see myself being wrong about Shadoweh a lot earlier that I could see myself being wrong about NNR.
I'm spending a lot of time to try and make this a backed up solid case but that's all that came out, posts by NNR that contain scumhunting are rare considering the number of posts to content ratio, he's normally bad at finding scum accurately and has not-so-good cases but here it feels like he's actively avoiding scumhunting with all of the mechanics discussion (that everybody can engage with regardless of alignment) and the fake depression leading to demotivation and passiveness.
I'm still pretty confident in my other townreads that I think the scumteam is likely NNR/Zak/Last scum. I also initially thought this game would have the ITP or one mafia in our QT because having a 4-man neighbor QT without scum in it is odd, but the flip makes me think this game has no ITP and just has one or several town with independent winning conditions that potentially cripple town to make life easier for the scums. My other power (which should be obvious I have because I offered fullclaiming) points towards there being at least one more town with a independent wincon but it's really just speculation and could be wrong. Either way if anybody else calls for help on fulfilling power conditions from now on I would not comply.
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sorry it was to fulfill my conditional power I swear!
Also the government was shut down for like 3 weeks, it's just they barely avoided going bankrupt and failing to pay other countries their bills
Hi my name is Serela I have conditional powers.
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hi dan thanks for announcing it to the entire world I'm going to shoot you tomorrow :C (I'm sure the scum had probably forgotten/not cared! ...maybe)
More seriously, the thread was caught up on "OH MAN HE'S BEING WEIRD TO FULFILL HIS CONDITIONAL POWERS MAN" at the time so I made a silly joke in response to someone else's silly joke about ants and screaming.
Also oh yeah Shadoweh's right, since BT's win condition was worded differently I just assumed ITP but AFAI-can-tell he was town at the same time, but, anyway. SHADOWEH YOU STILL AREN'T TELLING ME WHO IS SCUM AND WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO DO
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makes me think this game has no ITP and just has one or several town with independent winning conditions that potentially cripple town to make life easier for the scums.
I'm pretty convinced about this actually. There is no ITP, only potentially traitor towns.
I'll confirm whether this still makes sense in my head tomorrow and possibly explain why. I'd do it now but I suspect I'm too sleep deprived to be sure to make a decision I wouldn't regret later.
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Now I know I just said NNR's play is usually bad and his play is also bad this game, and therefore he is town...
...but I lied, he's actually scum (and his play is still bad)
Cool. I've been busy with school today and I've only really had time to pop in and make short posts (posts of which may also have not been the best use of time and energy), plus I remembered Prims is still hosting a game so now I have two of them at once to deal with.
Also my self esteem may have taken a hit somewhere along the line of being told the D1 play I was proud of was also bad.
Anyway, I think I'm going to go actually "be busy" instead now because I don't feel like dealing with this.
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NNR, BT said he thought your play was nice! D:
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Well if you're town you can get back here and play because no matter what I call your play you weren't just about to be quicklynched D2 like I was for being really stupid :V
It's also subjective in that it's just a matter of me not finding your tells helpful for my own scumhunting and that I therefore consider them bad.
If it makes you feel any better I was actually close to ragequitting somewhere in the 5 minutes before the flip, which would've been lame as fuck.
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You do get this kind of thing in mafia sometimes. Conq just told me a minute ago that my defense was rubbish after I spent several hours writing it all up and defending it, you have to find a way to deal with this stuff, whether it's ignoring it or taking it as feedback or getting yourself pumped to prove that you're overall better than what one thing seemingly makes you. I feel bad for pretty much telling you to "deal with it" since I figure this is just a specific time where this is bringing you down when it normally wouldn't be because of circumstances, but really that's just what there is unless a person is comfortable being depressed all day every day.
I'm kind of forced to drop this for now because continuing a case after AtE just makes you feel like an asshole and I don't think being potentially right about a scum to lynch is worth the price of pushing further onto somebody who has stopped enjoying the game.
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Also @Conq this appears to be what happens when I play aggressively so I'm just going to not do that anymore regardless of alignment.
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NNR: I wouldn't say your play is bad exactly. The way you're posting makes it sound like you're disconnected with the game, so it's hard to regard you as townily even when you say sensible things. There's alot of will post laters. I think if you just seemed more invested in the game people would appreciate you better.
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Oh Serela. I am just pointing out what looked like a potential crumb in light of Vhaltz's even new info for me.
also I wanted to make fun of you because I am mean
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Top scumpicks are Shadoweh, ActionDan, and Validon.
Anyone who's caught onto my usual method of starting day 2 will probably notice this list subtly mentions most of my town reads.
I know this by itself isn't satisfying after skipping the commercial breaks, but I can't find the power within me to focus so anything else I put into this post would pretty much be made up on the spot bullshit. I will definitely be looking into the three I mentions and giving reads on them sometime tomorrow afternoon (I'll walk to the library in the rain if that's what it takes to get it done by then).
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##Vote Shadoweh
As discussed. I may yet change my vote. I expected...I don't know. Something else. I can't quite put my finger on it but something is not quite right.
I'm surprised by the low casualties from last night. How many scum are there usually for this amount of players? I had expected two or even three dead today.
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There's probably 3 scum, but the scumteam only gets one nightkill.
And I'm off to bed~ And then work tomorrow.
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I know this by itself isn't satisfying after skipping the commercial breaks, but I can't find the power within me to focus so anything else I put into this post would pretty much be made up on the spot bullshit.
why didnt you post during the commercial break?
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I'll be really really busy the next couple days. So i'd like to request a replacement.
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Currently the list goes
Alive and L@dy
5. NNR
7. Sky Paladin
8. Validon98
13. Serela
14. Zakeri
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this is my list of null reads. (imho)
to avoiding stirring up crap in our qt, i will refrain from telling the (possible) scum my reads on the rest of the people not on this list.
Sky Paladin originally stuck out like a sore thumb due to his weird lurkish behavior, but even now the major posts he has done are conclusions on what happened. While it does contain little original content of his own, I do read that as a townie who's trying to help. That said, it can also be a scumstrat to drag, despite unlikely. I will call him out later if he still doesn't hand us more of his reads, better yet if you guys do it for me. :V
NNR is plain weird in his cases and assumptions, I guess that makes him bad-town, or (fake) airhead-scum. Which I believe the former is much more likely. I would say that he's town given my current scene
Validon is slowly fading from my null read list. He's readable, but to construct a solid case its lacking a bit.
imho zakeri is just a bad townie, scum usually doesn't play that bad.
In the end, the one who irks me most is Serela. We are all pretty familiar with his playstyle, while I am nothing close to familiar on motk, I did read up a couple of his recent games and found that his attitude this time differs exponentially from his rest. His passive aggressiveness in making most of his posts and poorly disguised enthusiasm doesn't coordinate with his generally shy style of play. Moreover, he's now much more definite in calling people out, but has a big gap between in which he submits a sound logical case to convict said suspects he named, which causes me to further raise my alarm, it implies that he is being assisted, by scum.
I guess this is also the time to claim, I am in the neighbour Vhaltz mentioned, yet obviously we do not have any Serela in here. And I also have been spending my time to read up on previous games Serela has played, so that's another question on my relative inactivity since day 1 to conq. However, back to my case, Serela is no doubt a scum.
##Vote: Serela
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I had already ISO'd Serela on my commuting to uni this morning but I just did it again after Dark's post and in the end I do have one thing that bugs me.
and then everyone realizes who the 4th qt member who never showed up is
I want to know ASAP whom you guessed was the 4th QT member and why.
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My updated would never lynch list is Dark and CF7/whoever replaces him. ActionDan following closely. Lesser townreads still include Conq and Paladin.
For now I'll just vote Shadoweh.
##Vote: Shadoweh
Checking through her ISO again she has barely done anything at all since commercial break start that wasn't attempting to defend against my case with several misreps that couldn't have been accidental. She also subtly cheerleaded for my lynch with her comment on BT's flip. Not really sure if Shadoweh and Serela could be scum together or who is most likely of the two to be scum if they can't be scum together, but I don't have time to look further into Serela atm since I start classes right this moment and I'd also like to see Shadoweh post who she thinks is scum and why.
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NO QUOTING ENTIRE POSTS FROM QUICKTOPICS. FIRST AND LAST WARNING
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I have work soon so I don't have time for much until later, but
I want to know ASAP whom you guessed was the 4th QT member and why.
It was supposed to be obvious given I quoted the post where ActionDan claimed being in the neighbor QT! ActionDan, you know... the person who didn't exist d1
ACTUALLY WAIT A SECOND
ACTIONDAN PRETTY MUCH HAS NOT DONE A SINGLE THING ALL GAME :C
Even now he makes the silly jabs at me at the start of the day but doesn't contribute! And he was here during the commercial break even if he had "some reason not to contribute that the neighbors know" >_> And clearly he was here after it ended but still failed to do anything helpful.
You're going on the "who is scum and why or get lynched in the face" list with Shadoweh, Dan!
Also, Darkninja, if you want to talk about people who didn't contribute, how about you go vote Shadoweh? She's even guiltier of it then me, spouting a list of baseless townreads instead of posting scumreads and just going around yelling at people to vote Raikaria. (I vaguely recall her giving reasons -after- Raikaria claimed but that's SORT OF LATE and at the point where it was trivial to pick things out to say)
AD got a pass d1 because that's too early to hunt lurkers but he needs to get his butt in gear or get in the guillotine!
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zakeri at the least was posting -something- d1 and is giving reads and promising to tell why soon
that's better then shadoweh and actiondan who are dancing around the entire matter lackadaisically
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Also re:darkninja, I commented on this earlier, because it's not just a matter of differing from my town playstyle
It just differs from my playstyle period
I'm pretty sure I'm not like that as scum either >_>
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Serela by POE already if I threw a dart at a specific list of names I'd have a 42% to hit scum. That's not including alt-wincons.
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PoE is cool and all but do you actually have the ability to answer who is scum and why >_> You haven't even told us who you're PoE'ing it down to for godsakes!
Oh god why am I still here I have to go to work >_> BBL
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ACTIONDAN PRETTY MUCH HAS NOT DONE A SINGLE THING ALL GAME :C
He has, in fact, shared a QT with us.
Also, Darkninja, if you want to talk about people who didn't contribute, how about you go vote Shadoweh? She's even guiltier of it then me, spouting a list of baseless townreads instead of posting scumreads and just going around yelling at people to vote Raikaria. (I vaguely recall her giving reasons -after- Raikaria claimed but that's SORT OF LATE and at the point where it was trivial to pick things out to say)
Shadoweh is suspicious and exceedingly loud in so, but it is exactly that which makes me townread her. The wagon you are trying to push is also baseless as well. One making brief reads and pushing the wagon while providing reasons at the very least shows a clear and definite stance, How we decide to read it is our problem, but Serela, you do not really demonstrate to us throughout your whole game that you share a definite stance, and that is a solid scumtell. By staying under the water and hovering on the edges of discussion to maintain minimal influence over the lynches and discussion is what made me scumread you.
Moreover, your attitude towards all lynches are completely laid back, you did not even show much concern over Raikaria claiming doc, rather, you subtly avoided most part of the discussion and silently placed your vote.
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Regarding Serela's own analysis on himself. I refuse to acknowledge, for it is lacking in any type of proof and evidence in his claim that ''my style is just different now''. We all know and have read Serela's games. We know how he plays, trust your own judgement.
Serela, your relatively swift response actually do not help in clearing up your case, but is only a smokescreen to distract us from focusing on you and what was going on your head since d1 to make you post like aforementioned. If anything, I can only confirm more solidly that you are but scum trying to put together time to assemble a convincing case due to the relative inability of you doing so yourself.
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extracted from my original case on Serela. and thanks px for generosity.
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This time there's my actual scumread.Its Serela. Notice how jumpy he was around the first day and was happen to bounce with votes, throughout the whole game, the most he did is when he responded to BT's doubt on him being scum. Elsewise he just contributed as little as possible throughout the game, either nitpicking out minor flaws in others' posts, or just making emotional rants without much contribution. Where is him when the most heated part of discussion of whether lynching CF7 or Raikaria came up? He just lurked, if the former hints of him dropping off the radar isn't enough, then being so carefree during the goddamn d1 lynch should be enough to raise alarm bells.
Hell, even Sky Paladin, who was pretty much lurking for the duration of early d1 mustered up a (despite small) case concerning his reads, Serela has done neither of those, enough reasons to wagon?
Plus, he's just Serela, on top of all this scuminess, weirdness in posting and style, lack of content and but not limited to partial lurking during important moments. There's the thing that he's Serela,but if you still aren't convinced that he's scum, at least read all posts of his, note the posting time and how much of it doesn't really contain any content. Then vote the scum.
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It's a new day and I'm recovered from my "despair orz etc." bulllshit, so let's get this ball rolling again.
Starting with trying to ISO some potential scum.
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Everybody Get Up, It's Time to Smile Now
Song: Smile Exercises (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCZq27pFXvc)
Shadoweh (3) - Serela, Sky Paladin, Vhaltz
Zakeri (1) - Conqueror
Serela (1) - Darkninjaabc
Not Voting: Everybody else
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With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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I basically haven't had time to ISO people until I finally got home from school after my internet was too shoddy most of the day to load anything, and class, and my commute home, and it stagnated my reads as a result. Anyway, ISO time.
So I started with Validon.
As of Post 221,
The first thing I don't like about Validon is that he blindly trusts the doc claim, which a lot of the other players pointed as null (I certainly wasn't voting Raikaria for the claim). I don't like how he simply dismisses the case on Raikaria without any real reasoning behind it. There's some blind trust of CF7's claim as well as the "don't lynch" read, instead of having reasons to find him town that are legitimate (like again, I find him town for the way he repeated Mirai Nikki with his claim, it's another genuine misread he isn't likely to do as scum).
Afterwards...
*coughcough*Iwasagainstitandnoonelistenedtome*coughcough*
He rubs the whole "I white-knighted Raikaria" until the ennnnnnd! thing, which is really bad to do as town. (I actually alluded to this earlier, indirectly in my post #355). I don't really care myself if it was peer pressure or whatnot myself, but the lynch was inevitable, agreement or not.
As is that point would be null, though. ...Except he spends an entire page ranting about it, which is really ridiculous.
"If Raikaria flips town Shadoweh is dead tomorrow" (inexact quote)
Where is the big Shadowh case I was promised?
He's basically vanished now, but I'm disappointed he wasted all his time glorifying his Raikaria Defender cred instead of pushing a Shadoweh case.
(I actually have to ride the bus again now so more ISOs will have to wait)
##Vote:Validon since that is literally all I have until I reread other people.
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Hi I was about to post and then phase end happened, and due to the conditions my role, I'd rather not talk in the night phase.
This was all I had before Raikaria flipped. I'm working on reading now:
Don't like Validon'd #161 clearing CF7 on the fact that he has a provable role, I already said that this doesn't make him any townier.
Conq's #167 looks kind of like a mispep of Raikaria as far as question 1 goes. How did he imply that having a hidden ability would make him scum? I do think the "that likely works on lynch" looks really bad though and seems like Raikaria grasping at pushing that lynch.
Don't really understand Shadoweh's response to me in #178, can you elaborate please?
Mitsuki's response in #185 is bad. Scum don't intend to make bad posts, it just happens. That defense is really poor.
Conq's #207 looks like a leap in logic but I don't think it means much and I don't think scum has much to gain from saying something like that? It definitely bugs me though.
Don't like Dark's #220. He says his scumread on Raikaria is minor but uses it as an excuse to drop CF7 pretty much completely.
I kind of feel like Raikaria's defeatism is a towntell, as scum would generally be more concerned about their own survival and Raikaria doesn't seem to be trying that hard. Some people see this as scummy because of meta, but isn't that just different play to normal over him being scummy?
Dark's #255 confuses me greatly. Shadoweh is scum for not changing her opinions on someone after they claimed. They might think that the claimed player is lying, or have other reasons for it. His reasons for CF7 not being scum also seem to hinge on him not being buddies with Raikaria, which aren't great reasons.
Kind of think Validon is town for sticking to his guns on Raikaria and defending him when he could easily just get away with voting and letting BT hammer. This goes especially if Raikaria flips maf, because I don't think he would hard defend his buddy if he's this close to the lynch.
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I like Mr Firephoenix guy.
Post incoming
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It was snow. :(
why didnt you post during the commercial break?
I was sleepy.
I think you should vote Rai so BT hammers and gets his superpower.
This is like > 50% chance scum lynch.
Can you explain your reasoning for the bottom line? I've never seen you give any reasoning other than point blank calling Raikaria's claim fake.
I don't like that at all since it's such an easy thing to regurgitate as scum
Caught up now
Can someone in the QT tell me if Dan is coming up with scumreads? I don't even care what they are, I just want to know if he's contributing beyond providing the QT.
Role =/= Alignment, so the fact that he's apparently the establishment owner means nothing, and none of his post contain anything in them. not a single thing.
I mean, I guess there was that one time he sheeped Mitsuki which I guess is answered by the QT situation. So yeah.
(why am i never invited to qts?)
Shadoweh is worth more to town dead than alive. It's one thing to build a case on a townie, but she spent the entire day just pesuading people to vote Raikaria, even using underhanded methods to convince them. Conqueror is much better compared to her in that regard since he used reasoning, but Shadoweh went as far as shooting down (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033428.html#msg1033428) alternate wagons by citing the shifty deadline (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033613.html#msg1033613) as a reason to stop thinking as town. She later claims That it's our fault for listening to her (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033850.html#msg1033850). Pure victim blaming.
All She's provided outside of that is attempts to defend herself from being suspected based on the results of the wagon.
As for Validon, it's not a very strong read. His vote on CF7 at the beginning of the day was pure Vote park (since he went on to say he had no opinions on anything, including CF7 vs Ninja). Brownie points for the conviction against wagoning Raikaria, but in the long run it doesn't work as a solid towntell. He did attempt to provide Shadoweh as an alternate wagon at least, so I'd rather leave this read for later days.
##Vote:Shadoweh
I wanted to just ignore Shadoweh on basis of "Obvious ITP, probably without town win con" but Dan apparently has people vouching for him. I still want to know more about if Dan is actually being helpful somewhere where I just can't see it, though.
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Ihavenoname replaces CF7 immediately
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I like firephoenix's case. Specifically this part.
Elsewise he just contributed as little as possible throughout the game, either nitpicking out minor flaws in others' posts, or just making emotional rants without much contribution. Where is him when the most heated part of discussion of whether lynching CF7 or Raikaria came up? He just lurked, if the former hints of him dropping off the radar isn't enough, then being so carefree during the goddamn d1 lynch should be enough to raise alarm bells.
Hell, even Sky Paladin, who was pretty much lurking for the duration of early d1 mustered up a (despite small) case concerning his reads, Serela has done neither of those, enough reasons to wagon
I missed this in my ISO because I wasn't reading Serela's posts within thread context yet, but I doublechecked in-thread this time and this all stands a lot more solidly than I was expecting it to, it's essentially the same point I brought up about Serela!scum in Town Mafia when I said he was coasting on townreads. This game he just disappeared for the whole of late D1 because why bother? He had a wagon building on him ED1 but it dissolved in favor of other targets before half the day had gone by (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033203.html#msg1033203), it makes tons of sense for scum to stop posting at that point where not many people were considering lynching him anymore.
His last D1 post is #171 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033350.html#msg1033350) where he also happens to be leaving himself on the biggest wagon after CF7's claim with no comment on his claim other than "oh yeah well it could also be a scum role" (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033235.html#msg1033235), without addressing how the claim was scattered around several posts which was an oddball thing we don't see often and was actually worth addressing. He was gone for 25+ hours after that with the excuse of forgetting about mafia which is just not something town would do. Bolded for emphasis.
Add that to the absolutely horrid replies to the case just recently where he is clearly attempting to divert attention onto lurkers and you've got yourself Serela scum. I don't buy that as town you'd only notice just now how little Dan has contributed in-thread and/or decided it wasn't really worth any attention until now. Lynch scum Serela guys. Again.
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Argh, I've been busy with school and stuff for the last day and I'll be busy for at least a few more hours. I still need to respond to Conq about what posts of Mitsuki's I didn't like (the one I can remember off the top of my list is the one where she suggested just lynching a lurker if no one would consolidate on a vote, which is a stupid decision because it's almost a random lynch and the odds of hitting scum over hitting town are very low), and I have to read the end of the commercial break and what has happened so far in D2 more clearly than the glancing I've just now really been able to do. I still don't like Shadoweh but I won't vote until later when I can actually get some freaking time to read things in detail and not flail due to lack of information. All I know right now from quick glances is that A- BT is dead and B- There's apparently some QT everyone is talking about which I'm not part of.
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I posted that accidentally before I was finished. Oh well, I think I'm not leaving anything out really.
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
Dan is doing things the Dan way in the QT. Imo he is just town having fun speculating and I don't see him as scum right now. As scum he could've just pushed Mitsuki for the PM mistake and revealed it in-thread immediately, but he didn't. If anything he'd be a town role with an alternate anti-town wincon but he never mentioned anything remotely resembling or hinting at conditional powers so I don't think it's the case either.
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You guys suck. To be fair I haven't done anything since commercial break since it was a Tuesday and I'm writing this immediately before going to work. You'll have to wait until I get back to hear my delightful singing voice and decide who I want to lynch. Honestly I'm not sure who to go for from here, I'm not exactly good at changing targets. <_< I'm sure this is a terrible post but oh well.
I wasn't expecting BT to die last night. I'm extremely disappointed that that didn't work out.
Dan lurking was bad, but if he's being active in the QT I can understand it. Just uh, don't forget what happened last game.
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Also @SB please don't do that kind of post again it's really unreadable.
If you're going to reference earlier posts like that at least provide a link so that it's somewhat possible to follow it.
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Here, reading, taking notes and all that stuff people who just replaced in do. Will post around dinner, and it'll probably be a bit of a wall :V
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So, reread Shadoweh
on one hand, his posts don't have any scumvibes
but on the other hand, that's probably because he hasn't actually scumhunted the entire game
My gut's not on him but there's nothing to actually gut, which is a problem.
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See Prims, we don't need you to lynch the doc day 1!
To answer the accusations that yesterday I did nothing but push people to vote for Raikaria I counter with: Yes. That's exactly what I did. And it made people vote Raikaria instead of waffling around like idiots so I'd call it mission fucking success. If you really want to blame someone, blame yourselves for fucking around on other wagons for so long that by the time you consolidated we didn't have time to agree on another wagon. Except maybe lynching me in a quickwagon because ~*~I'm Shadoweh~*~
The lack of denial isn't scummy. What bugs me is her justification for it. Yes, we weren't in the best of situations as far as wagons went but that doesn't make your involvement in Raikaria's lynch disappear. However, I wouldn't assume that is Shadoweh scum instantly solely based off of Raikaria's flip, townies can push mislynches hard too since they don't know what they're pushing.
Dislike DarkNinja for pretty much saying "we should lynch Sky Paladin for lurking (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1034031.html#msg1034031)", but then doesn't attack other lurkers like Zak for it?. I actually think Sky is a cautious newb!town right now for the "i dont want to lynch day 1", even if its a flawed idea.
Agree with Vhaltz on #389. The slot is definitely improving a bit in my eyes.
In the end, the one who irks me most is Serela. We are all pretty familiar with his playstyle, while I am nothing close to familiar on motk, I did read up a couple of his recent games and found that his attitude this time differs exponentially from his rest. His passive aggressiveness in making most of his posts and poorly disguised enthusiasm doesn't coordinate with his generally shy style of play. Moreover, he's now much more definite in calling people out, but has a big gap between in which he submits a sound logical case to convict said suspects he named, which causes me to further raise my alarm, it implies that he is being assisted, by scum.
No. This does not make Serela scum. This means that Serela is playing in a different style to usual, and imo it's better. Not playing to your town meta means nothing unless you're playing to your scum meta. People's styles will change over time and this is a really dumb reason to be so sure that Serela is scum.
NNR's last post reads like he's just waffling on Shadoweh and trying not to give a read on her.
fuck it i just want to get this done
maf
1. CF7 - still find his slot scummy, i don't get why people dropped him from their scumspects. mafia can play really badly and mess up claims too, i know that all too well >.>
2. Shadoweh - tunneling raikaria was bad but i'm not sure why scum would've bothered to tie themselves down that hard onto a
10. Conq - has had various posts that i dislike. his interactions with raikaria actually bug me more than shadoweh's honestly, although i'm having a hard time explaining stuff
11. darkninjaabc - i've already said why i don't like him. his cases feel forced and i feel like he's tunneling hard with bad cases
inbetween
3. Mitsuki/Vhaltz - mitsuki had a lost of questionnable content but vhaltz appears to be a lot townier in my eyes. floating around null
everyone not mentioned
town
13. Serela - his playstyle feels townier than usual to me, i don't agree with the cases on him
7. Sky Paladin - feels newbtown to me
sorry guys i'm completely mafia'd out and i have homework to do, i'll try and get back soon i guess?
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I'm not waffling on Shadoweh, in the sense I think he might be town, I'm just unsure if he's worth voting or not over someone I actually have gut and a case on.
All I have on Shadoweh is "made a vote on Raikaria, sheeped Conq later to support the vote, pushed the wagon to eternity", while his posts don't sour my gut any.
I don't actually know/recall what Scum!Shadoweh is supposed to read like though
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It's okay SB I didn't agree with the playstyle argument either.
It's just that Serela is still scum for everything else I mentioned which are not only pretty solid points but they have happened before in other Scum!Serela games. Why do you generalize the Serela cases down to the playstyle argument and say you don't agree with both of them? Didn't you read his latest posts? They were blatant attempts at diverting attention, he hasn't even voted Dan for them since he's content with sitting at the first spot of the Shadoweh wagon (which, tadah, is one of the few wagons that people have shown interest in during the commercial break)
I insist that Serela is the one and only lynch for today.
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Townie Voting Block: ~*~Shadoweh~*~ Conqueror, Neko, Mitt Serela, Darkninjaey, CF7,BT, SB
I know this is still an early-mid D1 post but it really bugged me when I saw it.
Then I realized why.
This is the entire active playerlist at the time EXCEPT FOR Raikaria.
Sky Paladin, Validon, Zakeri, ActionDan and Mitsuki all had very very few posts. Everyone else is in the townlist. I disagree with making townlists and lynching from who's left in principle this early in the game, since giving scum an early pass as town can make them be overlooked later.
Either way this looks really weird and almost sort of bad. Through post 120 initial impressions are Serela looks kind of bad at first but gets better and darkninja just looks really bad. Will refrain from voting until caught up, but first dinner.
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why am i still playing someone shoot me now
i'm looking through serela's ISO and I'm missing most of the stuff that you're talking about in there. the only time I remember him calling people out was shadoweh (repeatedly) which honestly wasn't a bad idea considering even she admits that she had zero scumreads. i can't help but feel serela is town from early posts that I liked, I dunno. i'll admit he's making an easy vote though, but he's had like one post on actiondan so far this phase so it's sort of blowing it out of proportion, especially since it's not like there isn't a case for a shadoweh lynch.
also IHNN apparently thinks I'm active. lol
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I still don't see town forgetting about mafia for 25+ hours. Serela has coasted by late D1 in other scumgames and has done the same this game. Going through Serela's ISO doesn't help because you need to look at the posts in Day 1 vote progression context, he disappeared once the wagon on him was down to one person (not saying anything means he couldn't make a target out of himself again) and people busy were entertaining a 1vs1 situation on Rai and CF7 for the day lynch. All while sitting on the wagon of a recently claimed CF7 who could prove his role.
Also still believe his latest posts were meant as blatant diversions so that people would look at Dan instead of the case on him. It used to be in the post right above but it was quoted straight out of the neighbour QT so it was deleted, but I was checking the thread between classes and it was definitely still there when Serela posted. The timing is way too convenient.
Serela is definitely scum again.
##Unvote
##Vote: Serela
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and people busy were
Holy motherfuck how did I do that
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also IHNN apparently thinks I'm active. lol
ok so you weren't -that- active but your few posts were memorable.
I'm almost caught up but this game makes my head hurt :ohdear:
Opinions haven't changed that much though.
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Ok caught up and stuff because I stopped taking organized notes on things and just read through.
Suspect list:
Shadoweh-for the reason I mentioned a few posts ago, the constant tunneling of Raikaria without looking for alternatives, and I didn't notice anything really changing during N1 before I was honestly skimming at that point >_>
ActionDan-lurky lurky lurky, apparently in a QT and active there but since I can't see it I can't act on it. I dislike his posts in thread as they're all very short and give no reasoning for why he votes who he votes. There's time to lurk less in thread, though, so I would still prefer Shadoweh.
darkninja-Why are people saying he's town, because the gist of what I got from that was "too scummy to be scum". I don't like the entire exchange with CF7 ED1, it's flimsy reasoning due to being ED1 but it doesn't mean I have to like it. Further tunneling, though admittedly in a better way than Shadoweh. Reads like a newer player (if this is incorrect someone let me know), so I'm less sure of this read.
Sky Paladin-Also very lurky. Didn't see anything to swing my read either way, but I will say that no lynch with even players gives a mathematical advantage if and only if all lynches/kills are assumed to be truly random, which in an actual game they would not be.
Serela&Vhlatz/Mitsuki- I'm less suspicious of these 2 than anyone else on the list, due to play shaping up with time. First impressions are strong however, and I'm not willing to let an initial gut read go so easily.
##Vote: Shadoweh
time to disappear for a few hours
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Sorry I haven't posted much in this phase. It was a strategic decision. The results of my night activity were inconclusive. I was hoping to see something in thread to help clear up the meaning of it. It's hard to discuss it without giving anything away, though :/ So I thought I would just bide my time but nothing has come up in thread that I could use so far.
Anyway, my reads:
1. IHaveNoName/CF7 - Same alignment as Shadoweh (Town if town, scum if scum)
2. Shadoweh - Scum
3. Mitsuki/Vhaltz - Inconclusive
5. NNR - Suspicious
6. ActionDan - Inconclusive
7. Sky Paladin - totally scum oshi-town of course.
8. Validon98 - inconclusive
9. Serious Bananas - townish
10. Conq - suspicious
11. darkninjaabc - suspicious
13. Serela - very suspicious
14. Zakeri - inconclusive
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Listreads are bad and lazy, don't do that.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
I thought about it a bit and decided that a complete lack of scumhunting is worse then anti-town play from Validon. Although I guess that makes Validon my #2
I still feel like Ninja is simply too ridiculous to be scum, I expect his scumbuddies would be trying to help him not make terrible posts. Maybe needs to be vigged to make sure, imo.
Do you think I'm doing any better Valthz or do you think I'm still scum? Thoughts on my blurb on Validon?
I'm ISOing Palidin atm too
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shit what's the votecount?
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oh gosh, only L-2
dodged a bullet there
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Listreads are bad and lazy, don't do that.
How do you folks do it around here? I thought I'd given my reads on people previously, but people kept saying I hadn't done it, and then said I was lurking despite posting what I thought to be quite a lot. So I copied from BT (or so I thought).
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Also, a couple of acronyms are throwing me - I figured out QT, but what does ISO stand for?
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Keep Building Up Your Relationships
Song: Relations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GzeOAqZP6M)
Shadoweh (5) - Serela, Sky Paladin, Zakeri, Ihavenoname, NekoNekoRex
Zakeri (1) - Conqueror
Serela (2) - Darkninjaabc, Vhaltz
Not Voting: Everybody else
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With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Shadoweh is at L-2
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Also, a couple of acronyms are throwing me - I figured out QT, but what does ISO stand for?
ISO means "Isolation", i.e reading someone's post while ignoring everyone else's posts.
List posts are bad precisely because it looks lazy. There's no reason put behind your reads. Scum use it to look like they're scumhunting while avoiding definitive reads.
Why am I suspicious to you, for example? If you're basing the reason on the earlier post, you could just refer to the last read with updates "I still don't feel NNR is reading any better because X reason
Otherwise it's just "X is suspicious", which gives us no insight as to why (you might as well have no reason at all)
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@Paladin What NNR means is that those listreads, if happening, should be accompanied by reasoning to each read. What BT did was comment his reasons for reading players one way or the other shortly and then sum it all up in a list for the record. If you feel like people are missing out on something you have already said then you should quote them and then quote your own post in which you already did/commented that thing, if they still find something wrong with it and feel like it needs an update or whatever then they'll tell you.
@NNR I feel like you'd be doing even better if you voted Serela :V
Validon is a null/townlean at the moment and he doesn't come close at all in my concerns compared to Serela, so to be honest I wasn't paying much attention because I didn't agree much. I just really want Serela lynched over everybody else to see if he flips red like I expect him to and I can get associative reads out of it. I can't say I'd be too sad about Shadoweh being lynched in his stead because she's number two in my scumspects list.
Although now that I think of it her last post was really ??? and I haven't read that much into Zak's last post either. I should find out at some point if I prefer his lynch over Shadoweh's. Even if I do that I don't really want to pursue a case that isn't Serela today unless I really have to, Serela reads like outright scum and lynching anybody who isn't him has chances of not hitting scum that I wouldn't want to risk going through with. It's bedtime here now but there's plenty of time left in D2 and I have the whole day off tomorrow so I can finally reread as much as I need, just don't expect me to change my vote anytime soon.
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Oh, forgot to answer question about yourself. Kind of null I guess, not really interested in getting you lynched for D2 at least, I'd have to see how your game goes from here and how you associate with flips before I make a proper decision since my reading into your words instead of your actions doesn't seem to have worked too well.
Wondering where Conq disappeared off to.
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Thanks for those explanations, NekoNekoRex and Vhaltzo. I'll put up a better reasoning in the next few hours.
About Serela - I read them as scum on d1 but I didn't think I could build a case for them so I didn't say anything about it. I could build a case for Shadoweh though, so that's why I pushed for them over Serela.
I intitially read Serela as town. When I went back to check who else had voted for Raikaria, I was surprised to see Serela's vote there. I then went and did an ISO (thanks ^__~) on Serela and that's when I changed my opinion.
Yesterday I didn't see anybody else talking about Serela. But today, it seems like everybody is. I'm trying to consider if there is a relationship between Shadoweh and Serela. But, I've run out of time this morning. I have to get ready for work :/ At least it's a short shift. I'll be back in a few hours.
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@Paladin you shouldn't really restrict yourself to the "popular" targets unless it's close to deadline though. There's still over half the day left, just read everybody and try to find who you think the scummiest is, then make a case on them and see if people are willing to join you on lynching that person. If they don't and the day starts flying by with nobody really paying attention to your case and vote then you'll probably be expected to look closer into the popular targets to consolidate on a lynch at the end of the day.
That said I'll be going to bed now because I need to make up for the lost sleep from last night.
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>_> I should have known that no Day 1 quickwagon meant people would be jumping on me today, tis the fate of all things Shadoweh.
I'm just going to claim now so you all learn to back the fuck off. I'm the Animal Idol Hibiki Ganaha, and I'm a JoaT with an emphasis on the ALL, I have at least five ability pets. Except the one that lets me shoot people. Not that I haven't been trying to get people killed. I thought it might be unlikely for there to be a doctor when I have a few shots of HONK HONK. I'm very disappointed in Conqueror for not being townie enough to get shot despite the doctor dying, because I was hoping to get Zak killed last night instead, which helps me find it funny that he wants me ded too. Incidentally if any of you targetted either Conq or Zak, you got switched around.
RE: Town List of Religiously followable town reads. Lurking is scummy, you should get used to lynching everyone whose afraid to talk. I don't think Raikaria was being very active at the time either. SB gets a pass because:
ok so you weren't -that- active but your few posts were memorable.
If you think my reads are wrong then go ahead and argue with them, but you seem to have thought the same things did on reading.
Funnily enough I could have provided reasoning for everyone not on my list yesterday, and did for specific people who were asked about. Rerating current standings:
My Little Townies:
2. Shadoweh - The Strongest
1. CF7hasnoname + 11. darkninjaabc = That long arduous slapfight between them seems too townie to fake so still town forever.
5. NNR = I don't remember why his first posts struck me as town honestly but I still like his posts now, even if they involve VOTING ME >:<
9. Serious Bananas = His posts are goodposting and you should like him too. Weird for me to say since I think we agree on like 0 reads but still
10. Conq = My waifu I will protex you from all the bad things precious
13. Serela = I'm gonna have to reread and see if Vhaltz is telling the truth about Serela lurking through the lynch, he's right that Scumela always accidentalies the End day. Serela, why did you think BT was the obvious kill last night?
Unsavories:
6. ActionDan = I don't really know what to say besides there needs to be less cutie and more thread postie. Current content is Shirley Temple levels of nonexistent? I don't have much in terms of scumreads this game, but the people bugging me are like holes where presence should be.
8. Validon98 = I said I liked his nightposting better, and I did, not sure that holds up against the atrocious Day 1. Also rereading apparently telling him his lurking was scummy was us having a screaming match? Honestly I still want to like him better but he's gotta post more, there's nothing today either.
7. Sky Paladin = When I posted my list this guy had like, no posts, at all. Quiet start means he doesn't get an easy newbie pass, but alot of his play seems to have those 'im not from around here' mistakes that annoy more then scumify. Like suggesting a no-lynch, if he'd mentioned that in the scum QT I imagine they would have been like 'no one suggests you do that D:' Right now I'm probably biased because rereading his case on me is 'caused a lynch to happen on Raikaria ITS ALL YOUR FAULT'. But I could hold that against all of you! <^_^>
3. Mitsuki/Vhaltz = I could not explain in words why Mitsuki was weirding me out gutwise honestly. I'll have to recheck Serela before deciding if I like Vhaltz's current posts.
14. Zakeri = I'm very upset that you're still alive. Zakeri is alive in a game with ITP win conditions, this is clearly reason to lynch him alone. In more serious news, never hinting at the slightest suspicion on me the previous day while those underhanded vote wrangling methods were happening only to jump on me today for having pushed my weight around to get Rairai pushed over is.. I'm not sure what the word is. You were not acting like someone who thought my activities were scummy yesterday, but now that I'm a target you think I'm scum.
Shadoweh is worth more to town dead than alive. It's one thing to build a case on a townie, but she spent the entire day just pesuading people to vote Raikaria, even using underhanded methods to convince them. Conqueror is much better compared to her in that regard since he used reasoning, but Shadoweh went as far as shooting down (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033428.html#msg1033428) alternate wagons by citing the shifty deadline (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033613.html#msg1033613) as a reason to stop thinking as town. She later claims That it's our fault for listening to her (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033850.html#msg1033850). Pure victim blaming.
All She's provided outside of that is attempts to defend herself from being suspected based on the results of the wagon.
##Vote:Shadoweh
I wanted to just ignore Shadoweh on basis of "Obvious ITP, probably without town win con" but Dan apparently has people vouching for him. I still want to know more about if Dan is actually being helpful somewhere where I just can't see it, though.
This isn't even a case on me being scum, this is a case on me being an evil, evil woman who should be lynched for being an underhanded politician. It's indeed a list of things that I did. Even things I said that admittedly probably made alot of you mad at me. They're still not scummy things. There's no scum benefit to me in making a bunch of people hate me enough to make an L-1 wagon in 24 hours. So this is just riding the hate wave. If I was an ITP I would clearly have been a Lyncher and already escaped the game anyways.
##Vote: Zakeri
Expect more once I actually review my Serela Performance Review.
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wha
Moreover, your attitude towards all lynches are completely laid back, you did not even show much concern over Raikaria claiming doc, rather, you subtly avoided most part of the discussion and silently placed your vote.
I wasn't even here what are you smoking
I didn't even change my vote past ed1 because cf7 actually turned into a serious thing
I can't respond to most of darkninja's case because it's mostly vague with fancy wording.
Regarding Serela's own analysis on himself. I refuse to acknowledge, for it is lacking in any type of proof and evidence
Your reference to my meta is pretty much the same just FYI >_> I'm fairly sure from your conclusion you didn't even read a game where I was scum (unless you can come up with examples of scum games where I played like this, not that I seriously think other people care so it's not a big deal)
Serela, your relatively swift response actually do not help in clearing up your case, but is only a smokescreen to distract us from focusing on you and what was going on your head since d1 to make you post like aforementioned. If anything, I can only confirm more solidly that you are but scum trying to put together time to assemble a convincing case due to the relative inability of you doing so yourself.
Whaaaaat
A smokescreen to... okay nevermind let me move on to the other part >_> I'm not "scum trying to find time to make a case". My case is currently on Shadoweh. If you think it's a shitty case that's your problem, but a bunch of other people seem to agree that Shadoweh is pretty terrible, so! (Or if it's because of the lack of actual words spent by me on Shadoweh... well, it doesn't always take much to explain why somebody is scummy. And no, it's not just "she didn't respond to my question", I complained about her D1 play both during d1 and afterwords while starting to vote her.)
also about ActionDan
He has, in fact, shared a QT with us.
Who cares? If he's only scumhunting in the QT and refuses to do it in thread that's just plain messed up. He needs to actually participate in the game. Just because -you- can see what he's done doesn't make him doing zilch in the actual game thread okay, at all.
Anyway onto the rest of the thread. Re:Vhaltz
He was gone for 25+ hours after that with the excuse of forgetting about mafia which is just not something town would do.
I went to sleep, woke up half an hour before I had work, and then when I got home day 1 was already over. I didn't forget about mafia for 25 hours, I forgot about it for the 10~15 minutes immediately after waking up that I had before I needed to leave. (Anyway there's not really any kind of legit defense to not being around because that's totally a bad thing I did, but I should certainly at least explain)
Actually wait what?
His last D1 post is #171 where he also happens to be leaving himself on the biggest wagon after CF7's claim with no comment on his claim other than "oh yeah well it could also be a scum role", without addressing how the claim was scattered around several posts which was an oddball thing we don't see often and was actually worth addressing.
This is actually entirely false. Here is my 146 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033229.html#msg1033229), where it is pretty much the reason I didn't believe the claim- it went through numerous questionable changes as soon as CF7 came under fire for it and looked ridiculously fake. (However CF7 ended up being the person who was just involved in a misunderstood-claim fiasco as town, so... >_>)
Add that to the absolutely horrid replies to the case just recently where he is clearly attempting to divert attention onto lurkers and you've got yourself Serela scum. I don't buy that as town you'd only notice just now how little Dan has contributed in-thread and/or decided it wasn't really worth any attention until now.
Dude just because they're lurkers doesn't mean they're scum. This reminds me of Swordgirls where people refused to lynch Kaori because ????? and then Welcome To The NHK where people refused to look at megalurker rawr because he hadn't "done anything bad" (actuality:He had done literally nothing period) and both times they were scum with me yelling in everyone's faces whilst being ignored. :I
Lurkers who aren't contributing to the game are pretty likely to be scum. If they aren't you still need to yell at them so they hopefully actually start, like, playing the game so it's possible to TELL THEY'RE TOWN. In Motk lurkscum is a popular strategy because FOR SOME REASON THEY GET AWAY WITH IT AN AWFUL LOT >:T
I forgot about ActionDan because D1 I had been giving him a pass (you can't lynch lurkers d1, it's hard to really tell if they're lurking and the chance of irl busy-ness is high) and then after D2 I suddenly remembered "Oh wait it's actually a decent bit into the game now AND HE STILL HASN'T DONE ANYTHING" and then I realized "AND HE'S EVEN BEEN POSTING IN THE THREAD, WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING" which is a really bad sign yo
Serela has coasted by late D1 in other scumgames and has done the same this game.
Actually I do this as town an awful lot too (and usually it's not even a complete mistake like this time!)
When I went back to check who else had voted for Raikaria, I was surprised to see Serela's vote there.
(this is skypaladin now) You do realize I voted Raikaria ED1 before he was ever a thing and then stayed on cf7 until the end of the day right?
Okay now I can breathe
I wasn't expecting all these cases on me `-`
Shadoweh and ActionDan still doing nothing `___________` ("but he does things in the qt" will never be a legit excuse for doing absolutely nothing in the thread)
oh god cut by shadoweh just gonna get this post out there first, haven't read it
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Oh god I'm sorry that quote wall looks hard to read
it starts with darkninja quotes, moves to vhaltz after I go Re:Vhaltz, and there's a skypaladin one at the end where I say so
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##unvote
Because I am racing out the door to work and suddenly two big walls of text appeared and I have no time to do it properly and don't want the phase to end before I get back.
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SERELA BT WHY DID YOU SAY HE WAS THE OBVIOUS KILL FOR YESTERDAY
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Lurking is scummy, you should get used to lynching everyone whose afraid to talk.
Thank you Shadoweh <3 But it's "who is" or "who's", you do not win the pinata.
...pinata? That really doesn't look right, where's the y sound? Maybe there should be a line over the a. 2lazy2google
Serela, why did you think BT was the obvious kill last night?
BT was hella town, he was actually on several people's town reads (Anyone I remember giving townreads, really) and he was fairly active and reasonable (A++ Would Sheep Again), and claimed some power that, given it required multiple hammers to activate, was probably pretty badass. All I see here is a bucket full of Nightkill Surprise for dinner in all relevant categories! Also no one else really came to mind as a fabulous nightkill choice.
The stuff Shadoweh says to Zakeri makes me giggle a lot though! I wonder how he'll respond. (Zakeri isn't so great IMO but I definitely have bigger priorities)
cut by shadoweh screaming at me about bt for late night snacks
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oh right and no one (except CF7 olol) thought BT was scummy in the least AFAIK
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I'm extremely doubtful my response will even dent Darkie's resolution to vote me but I eagerly await Vhaltz' response!
Also I work for the next 3 days too, I just found out, I'm super sad I can't be here all day for d2 to get in the silliest arguments. But I have 3 days off after so I'll probably be around allllll of Day 3.
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Shadoweh claiming JoAT and playing Bus Driving Serial Killer n1 doesn't really make me think she was any townier then I did this morning just fyi
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From my big quotewall post
Dude just because they're lurkers doesn't mean they're scum.
Doesn't mean they're NOT scum***
oops
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I'm not a serial killer you daft punk, directly killing people is the only thing I can't do. I would think the former Bus Driver who tried to use his ability to kill his scumreads would understand my reasoning actually.
Serela what about my Zakeri comments do you disagree with considering you're voting me for having no scumreads, not for being Literally The Best Role Ever.
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I'm not a serial killer you daft punk, directly killing people is the only thing I can't do. I would think the former Bus Driver who tried to use his ability to kill his scumreads would understand my reasoning actually.
IT WAS A JOKE
Anyway I guess I do kind of need to re-evaluate things
although I still don't really like your d1 play so I'm not perturbed with leaving my vote on you for the present >_>
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1. IHaveNoName/CF7 - Same alignment as Shadoweh (Town if town, scum if scum)
2. Shadoweh - Scum
Why am I the same alignment as Shadoweh?
I like Serela a lot more now. No time to re-read the other people I find suspicious until tomorrow, but Shadoweh looks *slightly* better off play though the claim being offered so willingly strikes me as a bit...odd. Either way, Shadoweh was my biggest gut read as I read through D1, so I'll be leaving my vote there overnight.
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I was going to yell at you for liking it yesterday but I just realized you never did listen to me. =_=
It also doesn't answer my question. You are being lazy.
IHNN: I don't think being literally the only suspect of the day is an easy position. I'm also willing to admit my attitude called for more drastic action then just refuting cases.
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Wondering where Conq disappeared off to.
busy, mostly, quickposting here
speaking of which
##unvote
##vhaltz
his push on serela reads really forced, like a lame imitation of his conviction on serela!scum in town mafia especially as serela's play in the two games isn't even that similar. if anything id compare serela's play here to his play as sk in dont know the setup mafia. also feels like he's leaving himself really open on shadoweh and zak. will elaborate on this later when i have time. i've been pretty much disagreeing with everything he's been saying, and not in the "well i disagree with you but you still look town way."
will need to look at zakeri and shadoweh again, but my d1 town read on shadoweh still holds i think, plus the fact that i dont think shadoweh tends to defend newbies as scum. again, will go further into depth here.
dan stop trolling and tell us who you think is scum.
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He was gone for 25+ hours after that with the excuse of forgetting about mafia which is just not something town would do. Bolded for emphasis.
Add that to the absolutely horrid replies to the case just recently where he is clearly attempting to divert attention onto lurkers and you've got yourself Serela scum. I don't buy that as town you'd only notice just now how little Dan has contributed in-thread and/or decided it wasn't really worth any attention until now. Lynch scum Serela guys. Again.
like this is a particularly egregious point that i dont think vhaltz!town would have made. because town don't forget about mafia games?
re: serela only just "noticing" how bad dan is, look at how you're just "noticing" how bad serela is. vhaltz trying to spin this as ~*boom scum lynch pls*~ behaviour is really scummy.
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##vote vhaltz
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I couldn't sleep, probably because I've been intermittently completely zonking out every now and then throughout the day. And what better thing to do while I take a sleep-helper infusion than to check mafia again. I'm probably going straight to bed right after this post though because I told Mitsuki to scold me if I went to bed later than 2AM (and it's exactly 2AM as I write this).
This is actually entirely false. Here is my 146, where it is pretty much the reason I didn't believe the claim- it went through numerous questionable changes as soon as CF7 came under fire for it and looked ridiculously fake. (However CF7 ended up being the person who was just involved in a misunderstood-claim fiasco as town, so... >_>)
Well fuck, I completely missed this post and I don't understand how because I was ctrl+f'ing your personal text instead of your name. I possibly got interrupted and jumped to the next page assuming I had already checked it. You can cross that point out from the list.
I was going to continue replying to this but I just scrapped it after I scrolled back up to read Shadoweh's post.
First of all, I want everybody to acknowledge the fact that even though Shadoweh is clearly claiming several shots of bulletproof with the way she mentions the doctor, she is doing so in a way that is deliberately obfuscating so that she miiiiight just be able to bullshit her way out of claiming something specific.
I'm just going to claim now so you all learn to back the fuck off. I'm the Animal Idol Hibiki Ganaha, and I'm a JoaT with an emphasis on the ALL, I have at least five ability pets. Except the one that lets me shoot people. Not that I haven't been trying to get people killed. I thought it might be unlikely for there to be a doctor when I have a few shots of HONK HONK. I'm very disappointed in Conqueror for not being townie enough to get shot despite the doctor dying, because I was hoping to get Zak killed last night instead, which helps me find it funny that he wants me ded too. Incidentally if any of you targetted either Conq or Zak, you got switched around.
That said, I doubt there's two BP townies in addition to a doctor.
I'm Iori Minase, specifics being Super Beautiful Cute and Perfect Idol, I pretty much already claimed earlier that I had another power aside from the neighbour QT and the power is that I'm fireproof.
Well, I'm fireproof except I don't know if I'm the anti-arson kind of fireproof, just bulletproof, or both. The ability name specifically mentions a fireproof charm (my rabbit, Charles) but the wording to the way it protects me seems to imply that it would save me from one attempt at my life, without specifying the nature of the kill. I think Mitsuki just thought we were a regular bulletproof I have asked PX to specify but he felt that doing so was off limits.
Seeing as I was almost forced to claim last night, early this morning I quickly checked to see if I could find crumbs Mitsuki left behind to use in case I ended up needing to claim in the end, but all I found was her mention of drinking water in RVS which I figured would not sound very convincing, so I was thinking of ways of crumbing this without being too obvious when halfway through today I decided a subtle one would be calling Darkninja by his personal text instead, Firephoenix.
Another thing you could call a crumb is how I said I didn't think there's ITPs after BT's flip. Seeing the "at least one wincon that isn't town or scum" working in the way of townies with ITP alternate wincons makes my ability being one-shot make a lot more sense. I figure it's much more likely that there's some sort of alternate wincon for a townie that involves killing with fire than an arsonist only one townie could only protect against once or giving scum an unstoppable role that kills with fire (considering that Raikaria flipped a weak variant of doc). Hence why I consistently warned not to grant anybody else any help with conditional powers.
Of course all of these last few things are all speculation assuming I'm not just a regular bulletproof which could also be the case.
All of that aside, thinking from the PoV of a town JoaT, one just wouldn't claim the bulletproof charges part of the role.
##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
Cut a gazillion times
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Note that the reason I'm counterclaiming in the first place is that I have no doubt from flavor wording that I'm not exclusively a fireproof townie with no regular protection. I'm either a fireproof+bulletproof or just a bulletproof.
I can't really go into any more specifics without risking a modkill
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What. The only thing I've explicitly claimed is Bus Driver powers, I haven't claimed anything about bulletproof. What the fuck are you on?
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What.
Oh holy fuck.
That's why you SHOULDN'T be deliberately obfuscating about things when claiming Shadoweh. I don't know what your deal is with not saying things the straight way but seriously.
##Unvote
Tentatively removing vote while I mull this over because I think that made L-1, in fact I didn't check the votecount before I voted so I'm really hoping I didn't hammer.
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Okay no that wasn't hammer, Paladin unvoted before he left.
I'm just staring at the screen in disbelief right now.
If you're town I really want you to look at this post game and never, ever do anything like it when claiming again because it's inevitable that misunderstandings like this happen sooner or later. As a JoaT claim I was convinced that you were claiming more than one power to aim for credibility.
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It makes people make really hilarious posts like counterclaiming a role you didn't claim while explaining their fireproofness. You also explained why I didn't go into specifics of what my abilities are while talking about how a town joat wouldn't just out everything! This is hilarious in a terrible way. So how do you feel about Zakeri?
Conq do you still think Vhaltz is scum after that outburst because I kind of think he couldn't possibly be now <.< Also are you pulling a futo y/n
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So I was gone. Then I came back. Then there was a lot of posts and oh my god Shadoweh is a JoaT and uhh...
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I'm going to ISO Shadoweh again. And probably Serela as well, his name has been coming up a lot from just quick scans and I want to see why people are on his case (from looking at the accusations they actually do have some merit, Serela wasn't that great D1 either last time I checked). I'm sorry, so freaking busy with school I'm only really going to be able to keep like two or so people on my mind at all times and if I see nothing wrong, I'll move onto two more people, etc. until I can actually cover all of the players instead of kind of trying to follow events but not saying anything because getting into long conversations takes up time I don't have. I knew I shouldn't have done this when I knew I was so busy. >_<;
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Actually it was just a gambit to get somebody to say fire, it's cool Shadoweh :V
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explaining their FIREproofness.
I recommend drinking WATER~
I'd like to know where on EARTH you are getting this impression from.
facilitates town win be dWINDling the number of suspects
his posting in this game is half-HEARTed at best.
Shana, Miyori, Alphonse, Hasuta, and Rise!
##GOPLANET
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Actually, you know what, fuck it, I have no time, requesting replacement. I'm really sorry, but irl takes up way too much of my time at the moment, maybe another time when I'm not so busy.
Cut: @Vhaltz: ...OH FUCKING GIVE ME A BREAK.
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I'm sorry Validon =_D
But don't worry, it doesn't really cripple you if you're town, it should actually help more than anything since it saves you guys the trouble of wasting the lynch on Mitsuki and I's slot.
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You son of a bitch.
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:D :D :D
I promise the consequences are not as bad as they may seem.
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ROFL
Okay well Vhaltz being town is good to know
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THEN I READ THE NEXT FEW POSTS WAIT WHY
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I never expected to actually be the one being surprised by a Captain Planet. :C
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I hope you get to roll the role yourself someday because it's really satisfying :V
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Song: My Song (Rie Kugimiya Solo Live) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JOjq_epcbo)
Iori suddenly stood up and raised her arms towards the sky.
"SHANA!"
A little girl with red hair, red eyes, all black clothes, and embers around her suddenly shot down from the sky, wielding a sword.
"MIZORE!"
A girl with icy purple hair came down with icy claws and a blizzard surrounding here.
"ALPHONSE!"
A large suit of armor also fell down, creating walls of rock around him.
"HASUTA!"
A little boy with braided yellow hair and two antennas also appeared, with gusts of wind flowing around him.
"Rise ♡"
Behind all of them appeared a girl with a giant creature behind her, holding visors in front of her eyes, in a shower of hearts flying around.
Together, they all shouted.
"We transcend."
Suddenly, a giant pillar of light shot down on them all. They began to slowly rise, merging into one being. And that being was Rie Kugimiya.
"Good bye everybody, have a fun time chuu~."
Everybody gaped at what just happened, however the audience was going insane at a live appearance of Rie Kugimiya.
Vhaltz has transcended human boundaries and reincarnated as Rie Kugimiya, leaving the island, and won.
Welcome Vhaltzuki to The iDOLM@STER Mafia! You are Iori Minase, the Super Beautiful Cute and Perfect Idol. You are an idol employed under 765 Productions.
Abilities:
Ryuuguu Komachi - All members of Ryuuguu Komachi can talk to each other at all times here.
The Power of the Minase Family - "Everyone's enchanted by Iori-chan!" Your family is filthy rich. And famous. And powerful. So powerful you have bodyguards situated around you all the time. However, here you are only protected by your rabbit doll, Charles. He will save you from one single attempt at your life, but will be lost for good. Your money will get revenge, ensuring that the person cannot do anything during the next commercial break.
Incarnation of Rie Kugimiya - "D-don't get the wrong idea! I-it's not as if I l-like you or anything." You have been casted as the latest incarnation of Rie Kugimiya. However, using the power of her other chracaters, you can transcend the power of time, space, and the second dimension to reincarnate as the ever annoying voice of Rie Kugimiya. Just quote a different person saying "Fire", "Water", "Earth", "Wind", and "Heart", and then post "Shana, Miyori, Alphonse, Hasuta, and Rise! ##GOPLANET" in the thread and you shall leave the game for victory, leaving only your voice behind. (You can still post but not vote nor be voted)
You win when all opposing factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.
You can post and vote in the thread during episodes while alive. Confirm by posting in thread.
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So how many townies -don't- have independent win conditions?
I'm really starting to wonder.
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It's me, isn't it. I'm the only one of you that actually got a full-on town PM. The only question of course is not which one of you is the Shadoweh lyncher, but how many of you are Shadoweh lynchers.
SO HOW BOUT THAT ZAKERI
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Ahhhhhh :/ Well that was a short game.
I was town (of course). The reason I was suspicious of Raikaria on day 1 was because he had claimed doctor - and I was a doctor as well. Only my doctor ability was way less lame! If I covered somebody, they were sabotaged too! So I thought if there was already a sweet doctor, why would there also be a lame-doctor? It didn't add up.
Anyway I thought Sarela was either being a good towny or an evil scummy, so I decided to cover them last night on the chance they were a good towny being targetted for death, or an evil scummy trying to kill somebody. So when I asked in thread "How many hits do mafia get?" I was hoping to get some confirmation that there were less deaths than expected, and thus confirm that I had blocked a hit somehow.
Then Sarela was the one who chimed in how many hits mafia got, so I thought 'how coincidental AND SUSPICIOUS'.
I really thought Shadoweh was scum but before I could evaluate their role post and Sarela's rebuttal I had to go to work. And now I am back. Looking forward to the rest of the post-game analysis~
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<.< Sky Paladin, the game is not over yet
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as if I needed to be any more convinced Sky Paladin is town, there we go!
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WAIT WHAT DID YOU DO TO ME
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YOU PROTECTED SERELA?
SERELA?!?!
oh my god this is the worst best Day 2
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I really need to start reading all of the posts before mine, in their entirety, before I respond >_>;
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At the risk of looking like a total idiot, doesn't PX's post state that Vhaltz already won the game?
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Uh, yeah, let me explain, his ability states that when he leaves he can still post and talk in the game, he just can't vote. That ability wouldn't do anything if the game was over. He's won but the game still continues for everyone else.
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So I'm basically an innocent child treestump now. See? It's not that bad. The only thing I can't really do now is vote or be voted and I can still help with hunting for scum and stuff so that I may be able to win twice (it isn't specified in the role PM that I get to do so but what am I supposed to do as an innocent child treestump otherwise?)
I'll say that whoever was town and was reading me scum was just biased because I wasn't originally aiming for this win. I wanted to catch scum normally and only aim for this wincon if I was pushed as a wagon and forced to claim, or if PX told me that I lost my bulletproof and I risked a complete loss, but I legit thought I had to counterclaim Shadoweh there and I figured I might as well make use of the plan to claim fireproof so that I could do both things at the same time (which means not everything in the gambit was intentional, I did think I was outing scum as well). Then after I claimed and somebody said "fire" it I figured I'd announce I could leave the game whenever I wanted to so I'd offer to do so if people still suspected me, but then I saw Conq's posts continuing to relentlessly paint me as scum so I said fuck it.
I discussed with Dan and the others in the QT saying that the game would probably switch onto a heavily town-slanted one if all the townies with alternate wincons just agreed to give up on them and run with their regular wincon. But that's placing too much trust in people really :V
This is almost for sure an 11vs3 with ITP wincons screwing up town, I don't know if BT's and mine alone balance things out.
Cut by lol
This game is glorious.
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I see.
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After that claim you never would have been lynched anyways ;_;
WHY CAN'T YOU JUST BE A TOWNIE LIKE A NORMAL PERSON
How likely do you think it is that Mitsuki was playing to your ITP win? You can't say it didn't affect your play not even a little bit.
So uh, I guess you really believe Serela is the pit of all evil? I was going to read that but I kind of feel like rolling into the fetal position and rocking while whispering "This game" over and over.
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This is almost for sure an 11vs3 with ITP wincons screwing up town, I don't know if BT's and mine alone balance things out.
My own independent win condition is actually more like a reward for being THE BEST, and if I lose my vote for achieving it (it doesn't explicitly say so in my rolepm but I imagine it's likely) it's practically a consolation gift for scum in apology for what I've done to them.
NO I'M NOT TELLING YOU WHAT IT IS
It's kind of awkward but I think I can get these conditionals filled... sometime soon? Maybe? >_> I'll get back to you on that later!
(It should be pretty easy to guess by now that I have these sorts of things based on what I've said, plus I'm excited, so I figure this is harmless enough to say `-` It seems like ITP wins are going to be all over the place in this game anyway)
So uh, I guess you really believe Serela is the pit of all evil? I was going to read that but I kind of feel like rolling into the fetal position and rocking while whispering "This game" over and over.
Are you having enough role madness fun yet Shadoweh? :D:D:D:D:D
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And yeah I was also legit convinced that Serela was scum but I'm not convinced anymore.
Dunno about Shadoweh, I still think her game up until my claim was pretty scummy, but her reactions to my shenanigans have been really town. I certainly don't think it's a good idea to lynch her today, I think I'd only consider lynching her in certain circumstances later in the game.
Gut says one of Conq and Zak is scum but I will provide reasons tomorrow once I've had a good night's sleep.
@Shadoweh I did spend a lot of time thinking about a gambit that could work the words "fire" or "water" into the thread because things were looking really ugly when I replaced in, but I think the only posts that really acted on it when it comes to me were the ones where I speculated wildly right after D2 start because that was supposed to be setting up the grounds for the claim. Scumhunting I did the legit way without bullshit because I still wanted town to win regardless of whether I ended up using the special wincon or not. Take into account that if we weren't able to get somebody to say the magic words then we were still virtually just town that had to win with town.
I don't think Mitsuki was aiming for the ITP win because you can see she never really took any risks to get people to say the words outside of RVS where she mentioned water.
Cut by Serela claiming something another ITP wincon, that's cool.
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Alright, let's review the list!
2. Shadoweh - The Townest
7. Sky Paladin - Comftown PROBABLY THE ONLY OTHER ACTUAL TOWNIE WITH ME
3. Mitsuki/Vhaltz - Blasted off
13. Serela - ITP Bastard
9. Serious Bananas - Townie
10. Conq - Townie
11. darkninjaabc - Townie
1. CF7 - Townie
5. NNR - Townie
8. Validon98 - Scum Replacing Out
14. Zakeri - Cheeky Scumfuck
6. ActionDan - Leftovers
Welp good game guys!
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I feel like part of the reason I'm still voting Shadoweh is because I only have an hour before I have to sleep and I don't want to spend all of it rereading mafia for new scumreads.
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You know what it's cool just lynching Zak for today would be good.
I'm thinking Conq is likely scum too but I admit I might be a little biased myself. Zak on the other hand just doesn't read anywhere close to town, I just never knew how to handle his posts to write a case on him but now I don't really need to so :V
I would probably also take ninja off the town list just in case until you squeeze a claim out of him but you can leave that for D3 or D4.
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Yeah I definitely don't have a town read on ninja but I might be biased here >_>
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:V
My reaction to all this
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hahahahahahahahahaha
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DAN YOU STILL HAVE SOME CONTRIBUTING TO DO I DON'T CARE HOW FUNNY THIS IS D:
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And no Shadoweh, I'm town here. :V If you're still feeling paranoid a quick comparison of this game to my town and scum games should make it totally obvious.
Eh, prefer Zak lynch over Serela or Shadoweh at this point.
##Vote: Zakeri
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Oh I was more asking why you were typing like someone dumped a post restriction on your head.
So Dan, what's your ITP win condition? Do you blast off with your neighbour buddies?
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im just salty everyone else gets all the cool and flashy roles. well i guess cf7's claimed role is pretty bland. but still.
also vhaltz you shouldn't just assume people are going to relentlessly tunnel on you because I was actually going back and forth on you >_>. it makes me feel like I'm being overly mean in my approach. I don't mean it, it's just how i press people.
I maintain that your serela case was bad and misreppy though
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Is your ITP win condition "go the entire game without doing anything remotely useful" Dan
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Is your ITP win condition "go the entire game without doing anything remotely useful" Dan
"doing anything remotely useful in the thread*
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I just type in lower caps when I'm too lazy to use proper punctuation.
I forget why I started but it's an infectious habit and I strongly discourage other people from falling into it.
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I'll contribute by proclaiming myself right about Mitsuki/Vhaltz.
And by noting that the post I quoted of yours was in fact completely accurate though you tried to deny it.
@Shadoweh. You'll know when you see it. If you see it.
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Dan why don't you post in the thread and stuff, we don't bite!
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I just type in lower caps when I'm too lazy to use proper punctuation.
I forget why I started but it's an infectious habit and I strongly discourage other people from falling into it.
I know just how infectious it is ;_;
I was young and in a guild on some MMO and it was the "cool" thing (along with the `-` face) and I haven't been able to stop since
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Pfft I somehow missed Sky_Paladin's hilarious reaction to the flip. Yeah, I don't see him faking that himself and the reaction came too quickly to be coached.
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Anyway who's with me on wagoning Dan until he stops refusing to do anything where most of the people in the game can actually see it?
I mean I've already admitted I'm not seriously voting Shadoweh anymore >_> I'll reread my other not-town reads (Probably Zak and Validon to start since people are talking about lynching them) when I have more time (Tomorrow morning I'll have to leave for work immediately so you probably won't see more then a tiny blip post if anything until later) but I already know ActionDan is blugh!
##unvote ##Vote ActionDan
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Can Vhaltz or someone in the neighbor QT just tell us what Dan's been doing in there? Since apparently he's been doing something.
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I've been defacto town along with everyone else in the QT for reasons that we won't go into
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/me headdesks repeatedly
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Serela was there a reason you vigorously tried to deny you had an alt-win con when I brought it up
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ActionDan is there a reason you blatantly refuse to do anything useful in the thread and when prodded respond with the equivalent of "people in the QT know I'm town :dontcare:"?
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define useful
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scumhunting
or anything that would help you look town I guess but scumhunting is really important
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I might have tried had I not stumbled into being auto-town at the start of D2
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I notice you evaded my question
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And so now you're just going to sit around and not do anything
even though everyone in the QT still doesn't know you're town (I can't say much about the people who -are- in the QT) (also because that really doesn't help your win condition if you're really town)
VHALTZ. You're confirmed town and in the QT. Is ActionDan seriously confirmed town? >_>; If you're going to be cagey, whatever, fine, but THROW ME A BONE HERE
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ActionDan do you really expect me to claim having conditional powers and whatnot just because you brought it up?
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I believe you went:
"ActionDan you suck clearly it was a joke stop trying to get me killed that's sucky"
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Also PX just confirmed to me that I don't lose my vote or anything if I achieve my alternate win; I keep going for a second win with all of Town like BT would have.
Noooo ActionDan I said the first part of my response was me kidding D: Oh wait, no I just said "more seriously"
but that was supposed to imply it
I'm Serela I'm bad at these things
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so.
Unlike Vhaltz and BT, you don't leave the thread or effectively die after getting your solo wincon?
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like this is a particularly egregious point that i dont think vhaltz!town would have made. because town don't forget about mafia games?
I don't think my case was bad, I believe you were heavily biased when you considered this a bad point to a case.
As town my brain rechecks activity and memorable posts in the game when my attention is not diverted into something else. Like when I commute alone I just think of mafia because there's nothing better to do. I figure not all people do exactly this, but I work with the assumption that most people do at least something have a similar thing in that they remember out of habit that they have to post every 24 hours or eat modkill dirt. Serela leaving the game for over 24 hours just indicated for me that he wasn't paying much attention to when he last posted and wasn't really looking forward to posting again too soon, which is not characteristic of town.
I still think Serela skipped late D1 on purpose just because he didn't care much about the lynch and wanted to make sure he survived to try his luck at the ITP win and that it was all just an excuse. But it's cool because he has claimed it and still has a town wincon instead of a scum one.
@ QT shenanigans
There was a role crumb in the QT by ~*somebody*~ that got picked up pretty fast and it would've been expected for scum to kill of the crumber N1 because of potentially having the role. That person didn't die so the logic is nobody in the QT was scum (I now suggest that the fourth person in the QT doesn't claim for obvious reasons).
The only scenario where Dan is scum is one where he has balls of steel and gambits by telling his scumteam not to kill this person and autoproclaim himself townie mctown D2. Not sure how likely this is considering the point about a hypothetical scum!Dan having leeway for quicklynching my slot in D1 after the PM thing. He also could've brought up the point himself after I outed neighbors but he wanted it to remain a secret for whatever reason until I was the one to do so (which was the worst idea in mafia)
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Unlike Vhaltz and BT, you don't leave the thread or effectively die after getting your solo wincon?
Actually I said "just like BT". He neither leaves nor effectively dies.
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Serela was there a reason you vigorously tried to deny you had an alt-win con when I brought it up
dan is this question actually relevant to thinking serela is scum or town or are you just trying to fluff up the thread with meaningless questions
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dan is this question actually relevant to thinking serela is scum or town or are you just trying to fluff up the thread with meaningless questions
it's a question that can lead to revelations.
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holy fuck it's late, Mitsuki will kill me ;_;
I'm going to go finally get my sleep. Do not quicklynch in the next few hours, really.
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I don't think my case was bad, I believe you were heavily biased when you considered this a bad point to a case.
In any case it boils down to a playstyle argument, not an alignment one. I've wanted to avoid posting in the thread as town before. Sometimes I just plain forgets. People are people.
I also disagreed with the rest of your case but didn't have time to dissect it then. I'm not really interested in doing so now unless the Serela case picks up again.
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I want to ask what the proclaimed "incredibly-dangerous-to-scum role that they absolutely have to get rid of if they know about it" is, but I know that'd be bad form. >_>
While I'm in an uninformed position, I wouldn't declare everyone in the QT town because of this. (for that matter, there's also the possibility of the crumber being gambitty scum- I have no idea if this is a conspiracy theory because, again, I'm very uninformed on the QT going-ons)
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or even the role not actually being as dangerous to the scum as thought because of their own roles
You just can't game the setup that easily. (Or maybe the role is a real wower, I'unno.)
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eh I don't think it's useful talking about what crumbs may or may not have been in the QT.
I'll just say that I frown pretty heavily on clearing people for NK WIFOM, but I guess we'll know more when it's eventually revealed.
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I will say that X knows Y's role and didn't kill Y so X is town is an argument that has fallen flat on it's face so many times it's pretty much worthless without context though.
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*its
huhwhat this is all you're fault
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Yeah. MotKTown has issues with assuming things about the setup, and then it turns out they're not true (no matter how much sense it made), and so town throws the game because of faulty role shenanigans. This has been a thing for years.
It's not a reason for ActionDan to sit around doing nothing, in any case. I will lynch your face off. >:T Or at least, uh, I'll try. In my current position I don't have a good reason to think you're confirmed town.
You trying to ride the pass other people are giving you for all it's worth, by coasting through effectively activitiless, is scummy as fuck if there's any decent chance you're not ACTUALLY confirmed town. And from what I currently know I'd probably be doubting the validity of this free clear even if I was in the QT.
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I mean. it would have been pretty simple at the end of yesterday as things were going.
Kill Y,
blame Mitsuki.
Mitsuki dies the death. I still look like super town 3000
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I really don't want to care/read 20 pages now if I can coast on pretty well deserved town cred. despite your efforts to play it the complete opposite way just cuz you didn't get much activity from me.
tyvm
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##unvote
##vote: actiondan
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and atm.
I'm pretty sure throwing a dart at the wall = 60%.
So
yeah ok Conq. be more scum
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Nope.
Dan, you know better than to try to coast on vacuous "town cred"
not to mention even if you had this town cred
you'd still be trying to lynch scum instead of herpa derping in the thread
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I am doing what I can to narrow down the scum pool without having to read the thread.
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I'm pretty sure throwing a dart at the wall = 60%.
If that's the case, why have you not made an effort to vote or push anyone all day? I only see you pushing Serela, who you apparently think is ITP.
You think I'm scum? Come at me bro. 8)
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I am doing what I can to narrow down the scum pool without having to read the thread.
And how exactly are you doing that, pray tell?
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"Dude but if I was actually scum I would have done it like this, right" is also an argument scum try to use because it's so easy for it to look like it makes sense to people who don't know the whole story.
I TRIED IT IN MORIYA SHRINE REVOLUTION IT DIDN'T WORK (I had a super shitty fakeclaim though so of course it did, I was decently new to the game still ;_; Plus I was unknowingly against a third party...)
tl;dr shenanigan arguments like that aren't good either.
Oh wow the cuts. But yeah, ActionDan if you don't want to play the game you can replace out or something.
Because seriously.
You're sitting here telling us "no I don't want to actually play mafia". If you're actually town that is the worst attitude. But my FAITH IN HUMANITY (and other things) says you're probably scum so that's okay! (Most recent cut:Really Dan? All you've done today is do pokes on me about whether or not I have conditional powers, which has pretty minimal impact on the scum pool) (Also you barely did anything before you were "cleared" anyway)
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imo Dan is trying to pull another DEFCON and parading his town status without anything to show for it (although he didn't actually parade his town status in that game but people who read defcon should know the comparison I'm trying to make)
in Town Mafia he was disengaged but his pushes were still pretty clear - serela, raitaki, affinity etc.
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Why would I push anyone if I didn't read the thread and didn't know enough to make a decision on who to push?
If you are suggesting I am pushing Serela, I'd say that I never voted her, nor did I suggest she is scum. I have merely asked her questions. I believe that is called interrogation.
The reason I can call you scum is that I think you are running out of lynch options and have suddenly sighted an opportunity. Also, calling what towncred I've accumulated "vacuous" seems rather arbitrarily dismissive.
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imo Dan is trying to pull another DEFCON and parading his town status without anything to show for it (although he didn't actually parade his town status in that game but people who read defcon should know the comparison I'm trying to make)
in Town Mafia he was disengaged but his pushes were still pretty clear - serela, raitaki, affinity etc.
I had read enough to be able to comfortably push them.
I haven't read more than a page in full here.
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Couldn't sleep. Back to Mafia and what is this
##unvote (still suspect you Shadoweh <3 )
Uhhh...yeah that completely clears Sky Paladin in my book, would not lynch.
I still look like super town 3000
>implying you look like super town 3000 and not ultra lurkscum 5000
I really don't want to care/read 20 pages now if I can coast on pretty well deserved town cred.
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This really wants to make me ignore "bad play =/= scummy play" because this actually makes me angry.
I'm pretty sure throwing a dart at the wall = 60%.
I am throwing a dart at a wall, said wall has ACTIONDAN and Shadoweh and Zakeri on it. I'm pretty sure I have 66%+ to hit scum, by numbers. I wonder what the most likely spot to hit is, by area though ::)
##Vote: ActionDan because I sincerely hope this isn't town behavior because if it is I really never want to play a game with dan again.
-cuts- yeah I like this new vote now time to try to zzzzzz again
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Why would I push anyone if I didn't read the thread and didn't know enough to make a decision on who to push?
If you are suggesting I am pushing Serela, I'd say that I never voted her, nor did I suggest she is scum. I have merely asked her questions. I believe that is called interrogation.
I was suggesting you were wasting time throwing words at someone you didn't think was scum instead of spending time reading the thread for scum. If you have time to find Serela's ITP crumb and interrogate Serela on the nuances of his itp wincon/whatever you have the time to look at the thread and see who you think is scum.
The reason I can call you scum is that I think you are running out of lynch options and have suddenly sighted an opportunity. Also, calling what towncred I've accumulated "vacuous" seems rather arbitrarily dismissive.
Nah, it's called PoE because the game state is becoming clearer. Also, it is vacuous, and I'm pretty sure you know you're just blowing airs.
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I had read enough to be able to comfortably push them.
I haven't read more than a page in full here.
okay so
if you are town here
and you apparently have the time to back and forth with me
will you please take the time to
read the thread?
because I'm pretty sure as town here, you'd just go ahead and do that instead of arguing about whether or not you've read the thread. you could just be reading the thread.
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Considering I was just in a 4-man QT game where I had a foolproof reason the lynched scum wasn't my partner (he was) along with two masons (they were scum) , any wifom that's less then you actually being confirmed town doesn't cut it. Just play the damn game Dan.
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Yeah I was having pretty big DEFCON pings at this point too.
But to everyone it should be pretty clear that anyone who actually has town's wincon in mind would not be doing what ActionDan's doing right now. The only effort he's putting in is towards trying to justify his questionable "confirmed town" status.
...and rolehunt, which would further scum's agenda too anyway.
To answer the latest Dan post, at this point you've admitted
A.You don't know near enough about the game to make any decent decision on who should be lynched
B.You don't wish to read the game to become more informed
And even when people are turning towards lynching you, you don't show the slightest intention to fix this. Absolutely everything about this is going against town's agenda of trying to lynch scum.
I'm not sure why I'm even still responding to these shenanigans, but, well, I already typed it.
Goin' to bed in a minute, at this point I'm fine if Dan is quicklynched by the time I wake up >_> I don't think there's anything that Dan could do at this point that would make him not look like nigh-confirmed scum to me.
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I don't support a quicklynch on Dan, or on anyone for that manner.
I'm just waiting for him to produce instead of this endless delaying game, which is something I'm pretty sure he'd be ballsy enough to pull off as scum.
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=_= Shutup Serela, the ACTUAL TOWNIES are talking here. No Quicklynching.
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I knooow a quicklynch would be incredibly unlikely
but at this point even if he somehow went and produced would you seriously stop thinking that he's probably scum?
This is top-tier blood red alarm bells material. :C I just like lynching scum
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##Daykill Serela
death to all itp scumbags
B)
depends on the quality of what he produces. I don't believe in lost causes
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In fact I believe after Raitaki was lynched I said I was clueless and then stopped pushing anything or calling anyone either town or scum.
I don't even remember posting on the day SB was lynched.
I have been skimming the game here and there, so the Serela ITP claim intrigued me. Is it really worth less time than other parts of the thread. And who's to say if my line of inquiry wouldn't lead to an alignment determination.
##vote: IHNN
"I never want to play with ActionDan again if this is town behavior"
- "I must show moral offense to sell my vote!"
As for the constant
"play the damn game dan!"
Well what am I doing now? I'd say I'd be playing. I'm not going to apologize for the days I was busy and not available.
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No one said you needed to. Just start playing now.
My point is that if Serela claims ITP and you don't disbelieve the claim (serela's play in this game perfectly fits itp imo) then what's the point of wasting time on it when you could be, you know, doing other stuff?
baby steps
ihnn replaced cf7 btw
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I don't even remember posting on the day SB was lynched.
I sure hope not, such a day never occured!
Also TBH I agree with IHNN, so, I don't see anything wrong with the statement
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welp.
##unvote
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Anyway that was pretty bad reasoning for voting IHNN so I'll throw that onto the pile of reasons AD isn't town (Picked a minor statement and painted it as scummy AtE, I mean I guess if AD is town and thinks what he's doing really isn't bad that could vaguely explain it, but it's getting harder and harder to even imagine that x_x;)
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##vote: zakeri
at least dan is posting now. wanna see where he goes from here.
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Conq I'm going to cry. I feel like I'm in Swordgirls against Kaori again.
I'm going to go to bed and hope everything's better when I wake up.
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he's town btw.
you can argue what I did was "bad" aka - not post.
I don't understand the argument that what I am doing now Is bad. Unless you are Conq and think I'd be expected to read thread instead of commenting on the current insufferable death threats.
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Zakeri (1) - Conqueror
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who, zak?
ftr, the reason I'm scumreading zak is partially poe but partially because his posting is just really weak this game, and this is compared to a bunch of the newbies too. the statement that shadoweh is worth more to town dead than alive and the rest of his shadoweh argument doesn't read sincere. well, this goes for a lot of the votes on the shadoweh wagon actually but uh i think most of the others look better because of little things they did here and there. so.
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Well, no rush I guess so we have plenty of time to play this day out. :V
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I actually resent posting like this since I really should have made an appearance in another game tonight to try and repair some damage I might have caused to a friendship. So I am going to do that though I realize that more is expected of me. I'll go read the 5-6 People of Interest on my birthday.
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Shadoweh is worth more to town dead than alive. It's one thing to build a case on a townie, but she spent the entire day just pesuading people to vote Raikaria, even using underhanded methods to convince them. Conqueror is much better compared to her in that regard since he used reasoning, but Shadoweh went as far as shooting down (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033428.html#msg1033428) alternate wagons by citing the shifty deadline (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033613.html#msg1033613) as a reason to stop thinking as town. She later claims That it's our fault for listening to her (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033850.html#msg1033850). Pure victim blaming.
All She's provided outside of that is attempts to defend herself from being suspected based on the results of the wagon.
quoting what im talking about because the entire thing just reads really shifty to me. isn't persuading people to vote your scumread something you would do as town, especially with a looming deadline and the possibility of a no lynch? why is shadoweh scummy for doing that when people like you were lollygagging about the edge of the game with "i dunno raikaria is null?" <-- which is the reason this argument is particularly egregious, since zak didn't really provide any good alternatives at the time of the lynch
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I actually resent posting like this since I really should have made an appearance in another game tonight to try and repair some damage I might have caused to a friendship. So I am going to do that though I realize that more is expected of me. I'll go read the 5-6 People of Interest on my birthday.
Alright, hope everything goes well. I just realized that we have a lot more time than we thought because of Vhaltz's game exit, so.
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Well I don't know what I'm supposed to do or think now :D Everything just kind of blew up and I gave out my hand so.....yeah. I kind of freaked out. I'm still here and I'm not trying to lurk I just don't trust myself to make good judgements right now. Before I was so confident. Now I'm shattered.
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Okay Dan I still didn't go to bed because I'm bad at that.
What you're doing that's bad: "I didn't read the thread, and I don't want to read the thread."
Your "playing without reading the thread" is consisting of OMGUS'ing the people who are voting you. (You called both Conq and IHNN scum for it) You can understand that's bad, right? I'm sure you can understand that it's completely realistic for townies to think your heavy uninvolvement with the game so far is scummy, right? ;_;
And then cuts of- okay for several reasons I'm just going to go to bed like I should have instead of continuing to respond to this. But getting Yuyuko of Ten Desires Mafia vibes from this situation is making me x_x; (aka Town player who lurked the whole game until getting lynched lategame because of a lack of IRL time to use on the game- but didn't replace despite having an unsalvagably small time to play)
In the end, though, whenever Dan HAS been around and paying attention to the game (like through this whole debacle) he seems to have pretty much squandered the time with ridiculous things like this whole event. Even if you try to view it from a "Dan had no time to play and tried to do best with what he could" perspective it just doesn't add up. He rolefishes, argues that he's cleared town when confronted, and goes OMGUS on his wagon when voted because the town clear seems shaky.
Oh god why am I not in bed, turning off the monitor and hitting "post".
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urgh I messed up the "what you're doing that's bad part"
It's moreso "Not scumhunting; when confronted about it you just argue you're confirmed town instead of actually scumhunting" (ontop of the clear being shaky and then you just omgus on the people voting you)
The longer this debacle went on the more Dan slowly and slowly did more "good" things, but his initial reactions were still super scummy (okay actually leaving now)
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WHAT IS EVEN GOING ON HERE???
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I think figuring this all out can wait until it's not 3 AM, actually
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##Unvote: Shadoweh
##Vote: ActionDan
##Unvote: Actiondan
##Vote: Shadoweh
you'd think having reads would make this game easier to post in, but it doesn't.
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##vote: zakeri
at least dan is posting now. wanna see where he goes from here.
So Quantity over Quality? That's unfair, but I guess I could try to make up for it by responding to each post individually.
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@PX: Can I post here as well? Can I post my reasoning in the QT?
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never hinting at the slightest suspicion on me the previous day while those underhanded vote wrangling methods were happening only to jump on me today for having pushed my weight around to get Rairai pushed over is.. I'm not sure what the word is. You were not acting like someone who thought my activities were scummy yesterday, but now that I'm a target you think I'm scum.
The fact that you pushed hard for a townie doesn't make you scum.
The fact that you pushed hard for a doctor doesn't make you scum.
The fact that you spent the entire night sweeping the blame for the wagon under the rug, despite using every tactic you could to prevent other lynches from happening - kinda scummy.
I'm not just riding a hate wagon.
(Also I desperately wish I had an ITP condition because that'd be so much easier)
...pinata? That really doesn't look right, where's the y sound? Maybe there should be a line over the a. 2lazy2google
Pi?ata
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The fact that Shadoweh is trying to pin me for not being suspicious of her before the lynch is bad because it's attempting to punish me for using new information to form a new conclusion. One of the (admitadly few) reads I had was that I was unsure about lynching Raikaria but not opposed, so why would I be suspicious of her before the majority of my case presented against Shadoweh even happened?
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I genuinely regret the loss of Vhaltz, he's a very contributive townie.
I guess I should claim myself before things get messy, I the Ritsuko, novice producer and idol.
I also have an alternate wincon, to be nightkilled by scum without ever touching L-2. Afterwards I die, but the scum who performs the kill will be ''arrested'' as creditable information presented by a townie will convict her. In other words, she alone will be revealed to everyone. I am considered to have avenged producer san and won the game, but is otherwise dead, game still continues. This along with the fact that there ''was'' a even night doc and a jailkeeper on town, I suspect a strongman is on the scum side.
I am also a watered down cop, with the ability to investigate for any not pro-town motives. I copped Serela for n1 and returned positive, which combined with his earlier play and the fact that there's already a bunch of town wincons made me to question is this ''pro-town motive'' really is as how he claimed. Vhaltz and I agreed on that his behavior is suspicious alone, but I haven't yet revealed my cop status then in the QT.
I guess by claiming here I am giving up on my solo wincon, but otherwise I believe its worth it for I am pretty much solid town. This is also why I still believe Serela's other alternate wincon is dubious, for that there has already been 3 wincons in a 14 player game, possibly more. I request a fullclaim and crumbs which explain your entire thought process. Elsewise, I see analyzing meta and logic combined makes you read scum, and only scum.
Dan in his QT actually piped my interest for he was able to guess that I was the cop d1 from how I dropped CF7's case abruptly. But I believe that assumption is made because of my status as a newbie, and newbies should be like showing the same stance on both sides of the coin right? OR he could be scum who have saw me do something with their abilities. I have a slight scumread on him.
Serious Bananas is just lurking, what's wrong.
I am biased in this, but I am the one who convinced Vhaltz to push for me in the Serelawagon, and I see absolutely no problem with our logic, I was going to save Vhaltz but you guys pushed him into a corner before I am even in front of the computer, what the hell.
That means I scumread you and your every single argument, Conqueror, I shall be taking it on you, just not now.
Meanwhile I need to squeeze a fullclaim and his entire thought process from Serela, and it better be fast.
##Vote Serela
scumteam: Conq/Serela/Dan OR Ihavenoname
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bunches of mistakes as i am too emotional to get this off fast, but i hope that its readable.
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"Positive" as in "not pro-town"?
You didn't have to claim the first part btw, but I'm not sure if you've been put at L-2 at all this game, so I'm not sure if it matters.
Someone get me a votecount
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Oh, it was reset, neato.
##Vote: Serela
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Zakeri (1) - Conqueror
ActionDan (1) - Serela
Shadoweh (1) - Zakeri
Serela (2) - Darkninjaabc, NekoNekoRex
Not Voting: Everybody else
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With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
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mods should stop quotin their own posts from the commercial break, it changes the topic title temporarily.
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Yes, positive as in not pro town.
This also proc me to draw a read on all nulls back then. And I find Serela to be the one worth lynching.
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I... getting killed would have been fine! WOW
I'm going to sleep! But Serela claimed miller before he knew he was copped so question mark. I'm cool with forcing him to full-claim.
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Welp, there goes the little suspicion I had of darkninja :derp:
I mean we asked him who he copped in the QT because the crumb was really obvious but he dodged the question and all so I thought he may not have been a cop after all but that claim is really out there.
That said, that role is like really OP, damn, scum is literally forced to lose a member in order to take the cop out plus giving him the win anyway. I guess that justifies the existence of more than three ITP wincons in a way that they kind of balance out.
I'm just kind of surprised that he copped Serela instead of CF7 when he continued to voice suspicion against him during the commercial break. When did you change your mind and think Serela was a better cop candidate, dark?
I think Serela might as well fullclaim his alternate wincon at this point.
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Actually I think I might support lynching Serela today after all. Considering ninja's claim and investigation there's like 100% chance that if Serela has a town role pm with an ITP wincon, the wincon is detrimental to town instead of potentially neutral like he is trying to lead us to believe (and as supported by the fact that he has been playing like scum instead of like town). Not only that but there's also very decent chances that he is just outright scum, and the associative reads on this lynch would be delicious.
Also I don't approve of lynching ActionDan today over other targets at all. Say whatever the hell you like about the NK wifom but you guys are ignoring the other things I said about his play that make him likely not scum no matter how much it frustrates you that he's not contributing much.
There's like only one post of his in the QT that could point at scum!Dan and I think there's bigger chances of other people being scum than him.
Other targets being:
- Serela
- Zak
- Conq
- maybe SB but I'd check him last out of these
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@PX: Can I post here as well? Can I post my reasoning in the QT?
Ahahahaha get out, people who've replaced out have no right to post
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Dude, I know it's a pretty obvious thing but you didn't have to go out of your way to say it like that, specially considering that you offered us becoming a hydra earlier so it's logical for Mitsuki to think it may have been an okay thing :V
But it's okay, she has to focus on her exam anyway. It just kind of sucks for town because she tends to have much more accurate reads than I do as the game progresses.
its a joke. Still cant post though :V
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I guess its all beans out of the bag, but anyway, on a whole I was glad I didn't rely on my cop role so exceedingly since d1.
The worst case scenario of what happen would probably be that I cop someone, someone turns out to be town with alt-wincon, wagon lynches townie, cop gets scumread.
I pushed for CF7 at d1 because unlimited cop sounded really fishy. I did expect the neighbourhood qt infected with godfather scum, or just framer scum, which is why I didn't even bother to cop anyone in the qt.
I wasn't tempted to cop CF7 at all back then, he's now leaning on the extreme side of either end, so he would be either nk'd or just lynched.
Therefore I decided on copping the candidates whom I believe we have overlooked.
Serela was most suspicious out of those null reads I had, so I copped him, returned positive, started attack on him.
Then Vhaltz got wagoned before I even reached home, dammit.
The solo wincons pretty much screwed up everyone's mentality, and I see minor suspicions starting to build up around me, therefore I decided to claim.
That's about what happened.
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Dude are you people blind?
I claimed having an alternate win condition that is not the town win condition (in addition to the town win condition, but)
That's why I returned positive.
Now, there is the matter of my alternate win condition actually being pretty damn pro-town, but since it gives me an independent not-town win I can totally see it qualifying (It makes sense that all the ITP wins would activate Darkie's power)
However, for the sake of being cooperative and not getting lynched in the face, I'll claim.
Like BT, if I fulfill a certain condition, I obtain the power to vig somebody. Unlike BT, I only get my independent win if I kill someone who opposes my intentions. (My rolepm has some pretty vague wording but it's probably just "scum"; maaaaaybe ITP townies would qualify and now that it comes to mind I'll ask PX, but I don't think they will and I want to kill SCUM and get a TOWN WIN anyway)
There is more to my role, but it's explicitly related to fulfilling my conditions and I don't want to risk actually being able to do so unless you guys really make me. It's not like I ever need to worry about getting nightkilled at this rate >_>
GTG to work BBL
cut by ??? CF7 never claimed unlimited cop what are you smoking, he claimed nighttalk enabler? o_O (Also a non-limited cop wouldn't be that weird, it's a pretty powerful role but not a particularly rare one)
Also we haven't explicitly lost Vhaltz because he can still post, at least.
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also while I do still expect to be able to fulfill my conditional I'm preeeeetty sure it's not gonna be for awhile yet after all these shenanigans occuring (don't expect to see me vigging someone before d4)
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Lol vig-lyncher combined ITP wincon was something I suspected could exist, but I thought it would work through vigging a specific character instead of scum and I figured I was wrong because nobody was fishing for flavor.
That said I'm still skeptical because of the way Dark said his cops work. It says is looks for non pro-town motives and it could be argued that all ITP wincons are not pro-town but there's at least 4 ITP wincons out there, which means 7/14 would investigate as scum and that makes me feel like it would make a distinction between the ITP wincons that hurt town and the ones that don't, or something.
I also suspect that an existing 5th conditional power may also be an ITP wincon so 8/14 investigating as scum would just make the cop useless as fuck and more of an anti-town role that's expected to mislynch a townie with an ITP wincon and then get lynched right after. That would just makes this game way too scum-slanted and if this were a thing I'd expect literally all townies to have ITP wincons to chase after since the town wincon would be useless.
Yeah I think I still want to lynch you after that. The amount of hard defenses on your slot compared to pretty much everyone else is just too much to be a coincidence.
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Also upon mulling this over for a bit it doesn't really make sense for the game to gain two vigs around N3-D4 either. BT's power would've activated after the third hammer.
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Like BT, if I fulfill a certain condition, I obtain the power to vig somebody. Unlike BT, I only get my independent win if I kill someone who opposes my intentions. (My rolepm has some pretty vague wording but it's probably just "scum"; maaaaaybe ITP townies would qualify and now that it comes to mind I'll ask PX, but I don't think they will and I want to kill SCUM and get a TOWN WIN anyway)
There is more to my role, but it's explicitly related to fulfilling my conditions and I don't want to risk actually being able to do so unless you guys really make me. It's not like I ever need to worry about getting nightkilled at this rate >_>
GTG to work BBL
cut by ??? CF7 never claimed unlimited cop what are you smoking, he claimed nighttalk enabler? o_O (Also a non-limited cop wouldn't be that weird, it's a pretty powerful role but not a particularly rare one)
Also we haven't explicitly lost Vhaltz because he can still post, at least.
I was messing up my wording, thought i guess for the sake of clarity i will rephrase my mindset.
When I was given the role PM, I thought unlimited cop and was too good to be true, so I either expect myself to be insane, mafia to have blockers, and et cetra.
Which is exactly why I didn't cop CF7 N1, I assumed he would either be framed or happens to be the godfather. Nor anyone in our QT for if scum was mixed in there they would probably have immunity.
Of course later we all realized what happened, it wasn't that the cop result is going to be unreliable, its that there's simply a bunch of town ITP wincons.
Notice how swift and passionately conqueror pushed for the respective wagons for pretty much any candidate. His dedication is also completely lacking in pursuing any of his cases.
tl;dr he jumps on the someone, forms a case and chases them continuously while only showing minimal interest for other factors (lurking SB for being a highly overlooked example).
Is there any reasons behind? Possibly related with your alignment/wincon/abilities?
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That's an interesting take on sanity. Instead of limiting the number of times they can cop, the mod just goes and makes LITERALLY EVERYBODY SCUM.
I've looked into Vahltzo's Case on Serela from a while back, and I don't have anything to bring up against it.
It's worth noting that any scum can claim to have an added ITP condition if they find themselves targeted by Ninja's cop. Although, considering that Serela's been dancing around that since before Ninja's claim, it's probably not made up.
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I've looked into Vahltzo's Case on Serela from a while back, and I don't have anything to bring up against it.
It's worth noting that any scum can claim to have an added ITP condition if they find themselves targeted by Ninja's cop. Although, considering that Serela's been dancing around that since before Ninja's claim, it's probably not made up.
One of these sentences implies you'd be cool with lynching Serela. The other implies that you think he is town with an ITP wincon.
Can you be a little clearer about what you think of Serela right now?
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Umm ... to be honest, it's kind of both.
Reading his posts, I've usually been able to tell when he's super townie despite (or in some cases because of) his way of fumbling around with the game, but that's not there this game. Skipping out on a large part of the day and reappearing after deadline is a pretty damning piece of evidence as well.
I think the only thing that's iffy about a scum!serela is that I can see a few places that might look like breadcrumb for his conditional role. I don't think straight up scum would have that planned out in advanced, unless he's a mafia with ITP bonus variant.
As a result, the read as a whole is null-scum.
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ugh, sorry, I just can't keep up with two games at once right now
Requesting replacement
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Notice how swift and passionately conqueror pushed for the respective wagons for pretty much any candidate. His dedication is also completely lacking in pursuing any of his cases.
tl;dr he jumps on the someone, forms a case and chases them continuously while only showing minimal interest for other factors (lurking SB for being a highly overlooked example).
I really hope you're not invested in this Serela lynch because you think I'm defending a Serela scumbuddy, since that's just dumb. Also, how am I lacking in dedication for my cases? Have you ever seen any of my towngames where I relentlessly push my lynches or are did you only read my scumgame where I poke at everyone minimally?
Serela has been crumbing a ITP role since forever. I want Serela to make explicit the terms of his vig ability and condition though for various reasons.
(ftr you can cop me if you want but it'll be a waste of time)
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stupid browser crash. let's try that again.
That said I'm still skeptical because of the way Dark said his cops work. It says is looks for non pro-town motives and it could be argued that all ITP wincons are not pro-town but there's at least 4 ITP wincons out there, which means 7/14 would investigate as scum and that makes me feel like it would make a distinction between the ITP wincons that hurt town and the ones that don't, or something.
I also suspect that an existing 5th conditional power may also be an ITP wincon so 8/14 investigating as scum would just make the cop useless as fuck and more of an anti-town role that's expected to mislynch a townie with an ITP wincon and then get lynched right after. That would just makes this game way too scum-slanted and if this were a thing I'd expect literally all townies to have ITP wincons to chase after since the town wincon would be useless.
If the cop is as claimed, I doubt there's a distinction between ITP wincons. There's also the option of a mafia cop (because a part of me doubts that even PX would put a PGO ITP cop in a game) but I'm not really leaning that way.
Yeah I think I still want to lynch you after that. The amount of hard defenses on your slot compared to pretty much everyone else is just too much to be a coincidence.
The only hard defense on the Serela slot iirc has been from me, so I'll repeat that thinking I'm defending a Serela scumbuddy is a dumb reason for wanting to lynch Serela. Don't be biased against me, Vhaltz. :3
actually i have a question for darkninja because something doesn't quite add up. what happens if you're nightkilled by town? does that townie become and innocent child?
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That means I scumread you and your every single argument, Conqueror, I shall be taking it on you, just not now.
Fight me. Bring out your Serela arguments again if we're going to do this. The argument that Serela "has a non-town wincon" won't cut it since I think it's pretty likely Serela is ITP.
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SB also hard defended Serela for reasons that were really iffy.
I'm not biased Conq I just think you're scum because other people aren't scum and almost every scumteam I think of includes you :V
Ftr Ninja crumbed his role in the quicktopic early D1 and his crumb and claim combined are at least 500% more believable than Serela's RVS joke and claim.
Why do you not want to lynch Serela so badly Conq?
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would be nice if shadoweh and zakeri would do something other than point fingers at each other and go "na na na"
also realized i should probably respond to this:
(lurking SB for being a highly overlooked example).
SB's posting has seemed relatively fine to me. SB is usually a hard read for me (as in I've scumread his playstyle incorrectly so many times that I've pretty much given up) so I usually leave him up to other people. The amount of lurking he's doing here is about normal compared with the lurking in his other town games. Of course, I haven't seen a scum game of his, so etc.
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SB also hard defended Serela for reasons that were really iffy.
I'm not biased Conq I just think you're scum because other people aren't scum and almost every scumteam I think of includes you :V
Ftr Ninja crumbed his role in the quicktopic early D1 and his crumb and claim combined are at least 500% more believable than Serela's RVS joke and claim.
Why do you not want to lynch Serela so badly Conq?
-.- Well, I'm not scum so your scumteams are wrong and your assumptions are wrong. Look, take the position that I'm town, which I am, and look at the game again because this is warping your view of the game.
As for the second question, I don't think Serela is scum. Look, if I were mafia I'd be all over this lynch; it'd be the easiest thing ever in the world with a claimed guilty. I think this entire tangent is a red herring. I think this cop role, if it's town, is intended to be a red herring with all the false positives. Why would a cop crumb early D1 in a way obvious to everyone in a QT, even if it's only a few people? I think it's possible that darkninja has another facet of his ITP wincon that he hasn't mentioned, given that at the time of his claim he wasn't even under pressure and so this could just be a drive for the win.
Ftr I never base reads off of crumbs because they're not reliable alignment tells.
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Also upon mulling this over for a bit it doesn't really make sense for the game to gain two vigs around N3-D4 either. BT's power would've activated after the third hammer.
under normal circumstances it's unlikely that bt's power would ever activate
also i wouldnt be surprised at 2 vigs, 3 vigs, or even 4 vigs in the game with all the shenanigans going on
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okay screw it
##unvote
##vote nnr
he's been pretty much coasting since d1 after people like me were townreading him; this latest blank serela vote is just icing on the cake
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As for why I think Serela is town, it has to do with the energy of his posting. I think you know what I mean Vhaltz. Like take the latest push on ActionDan by Serela. I don't think it's something he would push that hard as scum. As scum he'd just jump on with meh reasoning like in Final Fantasy mafia or whatever game it was when he jumped on NNR for really superficial reasons.
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I'm not biased Conq I just think you're scum because other people aren't scum and almost every scumteam I think of includes you :V
coming back to this statement because it kinda annoys me on a personal (aka not this specific game) level when I've been towninating all over the place while other people are derping around. Am I just held to a higher standard of towniness or whatever? Next time I'll just play dumb and drop fake towntells and make empty votes on people I think are scum.
but on a more serious note, thinking I'm nebulous PoE scum is just dumb. Bring out your concerns and we'll hash them out in the thread because this isn't useful to anyone (and I hate being around in endgame and being suspected makes me less likely to die overnight, so :V)
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He's been pretty much coasting since d1 after people like me were townreading him; this latest blank serela vote is just icing on the cake
This case is bad and you should feel bad.
Show timestamps and how any of his play post-AtE classifies as coasting.
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Also why would NNR as scum would resort to AtE with only one vote on him from a slot that was heavily suspected at the time
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I also like how you apparently find it ok for two vigs to pop simultaneously into an 11vs3 game at N3/D4 phases where MyLo is either imminent or happening (it renders one of them useless for town, BT would use his because it allowed him to achieve his wincon immediately but Serela's as claimed so far would make him risk a loss after BT's shot), but a PGO ITP wincon for a cop to balance out all the other ITP wincons hurting town is a really ridiculous role just because it is when taking it out of the game's context.
You also can't really say your reads have been more accurate than anybody else's so far this game because both Raikaria and Mitsuki/I have flipped town.
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Also why would NNR as scum would resort to AtE with only one vote on him from a slot that was heavily suspected at the time
Christ. Why is using AtE a scumtell or a towntell? It's not.
This case is bad and you should feel bad.
Show timestamps and how any of his play post-AtE classifies as coasting.
If I forget someone's playing in the game, they're coasting. Okay seriously, how do you not classify his play as coasting.
My god you're actually going to make me do this.
Oh, it was reset, neato.
##Vote: Serela
coasting on a cop claim without any other commentary
##Unvote
##Vote: Shadoweh
I thought about it a bit and decided that a complete lack of scumhunting is worse then anti-town play from Validon. Although I guess that makes Validon my #2
I still feel like Ninja is simply too ridiculous to be scum, I expect his scumbuddies would be trying to help him not make terrible posts. Maybe needs to be vigged to make sure, imo.
Do you think I'm doing any better Valthz or do you think I'm still scum? Thoughts on my blurb on Validon?
I'm ISOing Palidin atm too
I'm not waffling on Shadoweh, in the sense I think he might be town, I'm just unsure if he's worth voting or not over someone I actually have gut and a case on.
All I have on Shadoweh is "made a vote on Raikaria, sheeped Conq later to support the vote, pushed the wagon to eternity", while his posts don't sour my gut any.
I don't actually know/recall what Scum!Shadoweh is supposed to read like though
coasting by hopping onto the shadoweh wagon with weak reasoning after waffling on him
I basically haven't had time to ISO people until I finally got home from school after my internet was too shoddy most of the day to load anything, and class, and my commute home, and it stagnated my reads as a result. Anyway, ISO time.
So I started with Validon.
As of Post 221,
The first thing I don't like about Validon is that he blindly trusts the doc claim, which a lot of the other players pointed as null (I certainly wasn't voting Raikaria for the claim). I don't like how he simply dismisses the case on Raikaria without any real reasoning behind it. There's some blind trust of CF7's claim as well as the "don't lynch" read, instead of having reasons to find him town that are legitimate (like again, I find him town for the way he repeated Mirai Nikki with his claim, it's another genuine misread he isn't likely to do as scum).
Afterwards...He rubs the whole "I white-knighted Raikaria" until the ennnnnnd! thing, which is really bad to do as town. (I actually alluded to this earlier, indirectly in my post #355). I don't really care myself if it was peer pressure or whatnot myself, but the lynch was inevitable, agreement or not.
As is that point would be null, though. ...Except he spends an entire page ranting about it, which is really ridiculous.
Where is the big Shadowh case I was promised?
He's basically vanished now, but I'm disappointed he wasted all his time glorifying his Raikaria Defender cred instead of pushing a Shadoweh case.
(I actually have to ride the bus again now so more ISOs will have to wait)
##Vote:Validon since that is literally all I have until I reread other people.
iso of a random lurker to show content but this is all dropped now and there's no followup.
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I also like how you apparently find it ok for two vigs to pop simultaneously into an 11vs3 game at N3/D4 phases where MyLo is either imminent or happening (it renders one of them useless for town, BT would use his because it allowed him to achieve his wincon immediately but Serela's as claimed so far would make him risk a loss after BT's shot), but a PGO ITP wincon for a cop to balance out all the other ITP wincons hurting town is a really ridiculous role just because it is when taking it out of the game's context.
You also can't really say your reads have been more accurate than anybody else's so far this game because both Raikaria and Mitsuki/I have flipped town.
Okay, fuck you. I'm also a conditional vig, okay? I wouldn't be surprised if half the game were vigs because trolololol PX setup.
And yes, a PGO ITP wincon for a cop is ridiculous in the game's context. How does it balance out all the ITP wincons hurting town? It doesn't. You're just piling on bullshit on top of bullshit.
If you're going to attack the accuracy of my reads, then screw you. How about the accuracy of your reads, eh? Mitsuki was wrong on Raikaria. You're wrong on me. So that puts us about even and you're confirmed town, eh? So I guess I'm not really doing that bad! I've taken time out of real life stuff that I should have been doing instead to post in this game when it looks like no one cares. Like today, people are just sitting on Shadoweh or Serela or Zakeri or whoever and going blah blah blah. And now we're all sitting around the tree going wheeee cop result on a claimed ITP.
Look, if I think someone is scum, I'm going to push them. That's the way I play, that's the way I've always played. If you think that sitting on my haunches and dropping in to make an "accurate" vote on scum once in a blue moon is better town play, then sure, go with that. Have fun.
I think I need a break from mafia after this. This game pisses me off more than it used to.
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I'd replace out here because this game pisses me off but there are apparently two other people ready to replace so lol. Are we going to get mass modkills for them or what?
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Trying to break the setup is lame. I'm not paying too much attention to ~*role shenanigans*~ because if someone is scummy on their own merits in thread, I'm going to want them lynched regardless of what role they claim. After all, PX said -everyone- can get fakeclaims.
Since votes reset I'll re-##Vote: ActionDan for now because I don't care how good his quicktopic play is, it's easier to fool 3 people than a dozen and I don't trust anything I'm not seeing with my own eyes.
darkninja's claim doesn't clear him, IMO. Enough time past that it could have been coached and even though I'll admit the ED1 slapfight is likely town it could just as easily be explained by a newer player not knowing when to back down.
Going to re-read NNR/Serela/Shadoweh/Zakeri/Validon and see if my opinions on them change, though at the moment I still suspect I want Shadoweh lynched over anyone else in that list. Why is the entire game scum :derp:
Look, if I think someone is scum, I'm going to push them. That's the way I play, that's the way I've always played. If you think that sitting on my haunches and dropping in to make an "accurate" vote on scum once in a blue moon is better town play, then sure, go with that. Have fun.
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Good Morning from Australia
Song: Hello!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P714xCARbKQ)
ActionDan (1) - Serela, I have no name
Shadoweh (1) - Zakeri
Serela (2) - Darkninjaabc, NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1) - Conqueror
Not Voting: CF7, Shadoweh, ActionDan, Sky Paladin, Validon98, Serious Bananas
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With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
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Actually lemme just post this quick list of things just to organize my thoughts a little better
CF7/me: Town
Shadoweh: Scum? Need to re-read
Vhaltz: Stump
Raikaria: ded
NNR: I thought he was pretty town but Conq has good points so I'll re-read and re-evaluate
ActionDan: LURKSCUM by thread, active town by QT that I can't see apparently?
Sky Paladin: ObvTown
Validon: Un-memorable either way...
SB: ProbTown
Conq: ProbTown
darkninja: I honestly don't know, which is why I'm going to re-read
BT: ded
Serela: I don't know what to think
Zakeri: lurky, though usually lurky? Unmemorable though, so re-read
NNR/Serela/Shadoweh/Zakeri/Validon/darkninja=6 people to re-evaluate, which I'll do after I eat some food. Waking up at 4 PM sucks.
At least my overall understanding of this game is slightly improved...and a whole lot more confusing.
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zakeri you realize I -outright claimed having a ITP win- before Darkie did his cop thing, right?
It's not a matter of planning it in advance, I literally claimed it >_>
Although yeah there is the start-of-the-game crumb too but w/e
Noteable notes:Darkie was the cop crumb in the QT at the start of the game (and the reason the neighbors were assuming all in the QT to be town), Me+BT+Conq have all claimed and/or flipped as conditional vigs that lead to ITP wins in some fashion.
Vhaltz, what does SB hard defending me have to do with anything? If you think I'm scumbuddies with SB so much you're sure SB is scum, go lynch SB. >_> For that matter there's more people then SB going around defending me. (See:Conq, who is p.town imo, and Shadoweh and flipped town BT have both declared me solidly not-scum even if they weren't exactly hard defending me) Townreading me is not some strange incident isolated to Conqueror.
Darkninja's cop isn't "fucking useless" because getting a town result still declares someone to be town, which is still pretty powerful.
And on the matter of the ITP vigs, I don't know about Conq, but so far they seem pretty damn hard to actually activate. It'd be safe for a mod to assume one-to-zero of them would actually get to fire. Hammering 3 times means D4 if you actually pull it off every day, and don't get lynched/nk'd by then- those are actually pretty low odds.
As for claiming my conditional, I'll consider doing that if it actually looks like I'm going to be lynched today.
Just got home from work so I'm going to relax for a little before getting to rereading and stuff (Plenty of people I need to evaluate!) but I'm still here for non-intensive responses to things
ActionDan: LURKSCUM by thread, active town by QT that I can't see apparently?
At this point I think the bulk of the in-qt reasoning for Dan being town was just the pass given over Darkie crumbing cop and not getting nightkilled. BUT I HAVE NO IDEA SO NEIGHBORS CAN CORRECT ME ON THIS
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I'm going to go ahead and claim my conditional so Vhaltz can go nuts with his setup speculation. B)
rest assured that even if we no lynch im activist enough to get the job done
I'm an activist vigilante, I get a shot every time we no lynch. It's part of why I thought Raikaria could have been a mafia doc. My ITP wincon is tangentially related to this.
The reason I'm bringing this up is to show that my vig and BT's vig are never going to activate together since they directly work against each other (not to mention the difficulty in getting people to no lynch in the first place). It's why I'm not concerned about the possibility of BT's and Serela's vigs because I'm guessing they'll all pretty hard to activate in the first place.
But yeah, Vhaltz, if you think I'm fakeclaiming my role, then let's no lynch and I'll fire my load. I don't even care about rbs/bps at this point. If I fail, lynch me. And if you think I'm a mafia activist vig (which would swing the balance even more in favour of scum each time there was a no-lynch) then LOL.
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I will say that my alt wincon is pretty much impossible to activate under normal circumstances so I've been mostly ignoring it.
Seriously, captain planet wincon easiest thing ever. I would have blasted off page 1 and then lazed about like an innocent child for the rest of the game. ez.
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Conq is pretty town without considering role shenanigans so I'm pretty sure we don't need to test whether his kill actually works!
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Okay fine Conq, I'll try to take off my "Conq is scum" glasses and read through everything again impartially tomorrow.
There's something important I do want to point out before getting dinner and bed regardless of your alignment though, it's that I double checked NNR and I'm certain he isn't scum now.
His reread of Validon wasn't randomly generated for towncred because it was a personal issue. He had promised the reread and I called him out for it, he reread Validon and posted about it immediately after he picked himself up from the kick in the nuts to the ego and asked me specifically see what I thought about it because I was the one to deliver the kick in the first place. I'm convinced this is something one would not fake because it wouldn't be expected to be used as a towntell in the first place.
Don't lynch him, that's all.
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zakeri you realize I -outright claimed having a ITP win- before Darkie did his cop thing, right?
It's not a matter of planning it in advance, I literally claimed it >_>
I'm not sure why you're taking an argumentative tone to this, since that's serving as the only reason why I still think you have a chance of being town.
I was mostly looking over your day one, so sorry I missed the actual claim, but it still supports what I've been trying to say.
Thanks for completely brushing off my other reads, Conqueror. I suppose I should be thankful that I'm no longer worse than the person who has literally done nothing and will probably continue to do so for the rest of the game (Dan), unless I still am I guess.
coasting on a cop claim without any other commentary
coasting by hopping onto the shadoweh wagon with weak reasoning after waffling on him
iso of a random lurker to show content but this is all dropped now and there's no followup.
I don't see the direct correlation to "Coasting on a cop claim" = "Scum". Even if he did it as scum, we have a bijillion hours in the day left, so there's almost no benefit to coasting like this. It would be valid if it was closer to deadline, but it isn't, even now.
Another point is that you say there's no follow-up on his case of Validon, except for the part you quoted above where he follows up on Validon by saying that Shadoweh was worse (which she totally is vote shadoweh please).
Basically, I'm not buying the case on NNR. Especially if that's your only reasoning for it.
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That's why I brought it up Zak :D
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Thanks for completely brushing off my other reads, Conqueror. I suppose I should be thankful that I'm no longer worse than the person who has literally done nothing and will probably continue to do so for the rest of the game (Dan), unless I still am I guess.
If I have to actually read your posts to remember your stances on people aside from Shadoweh because I can't remember, then something's wrong. I'm not brushing aside your others reads because aside from the Shadoweh one, they're barebones as can be. Like, you're asking me about Dan now. Do you think Dan is scum?
I don't see the direct correlation to "Coasting on a cop claim" = "Scum". Even if he did it as scum, we have a bijillion hours in the day left, so there's almost no benefit to coasting like this. It would be valid if it was closer to deadline, but it isn't, even now.
Another point is that you say there's no follow-up on his case of Validon, except for the part you quoted above where he follows up on Validon by saying that Shadoweh was worse (which she totally is vote shadoweh please).
Basically, I'm not buying the case on NNR. Especially if that's your only reasoning for it.
This entire response was in response to Vhaltz asking why NNR was "coasting". I wouldn't bring it up as a point in itself. It's part of a larger picture. It's notable though that he doesn't question the claim whatsoever, or take into account Serela's various ITP claims.
A side mention of someone where you vote someone else over them and then completely run for a third party later on, ignoring the first person, is lack of follow-up. He's not trying to get Validon lynched. And why was Shadoweh dropped in the first place? Again, I get cop result blah blah, but ITP claims blah blah as well.
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His reread of Validon wasn't randomly generated for towncred because it was a personal issue. He had promised the reread and I called him out for it, he reread Validon and posted about it immediately after he picked himself up from the kick in the nuts to the ego and asked me specifically see what I thought about it because I was the one to deliver the kick in the first place. I'm convinced this is something one would not fake because it wouldn't be expected to be used as a towntell in the first place.
I didn't say it was randomly generated for towncred.
Let's say NNR is scum. He promises to reread someone. He doesn't. Someone calls him out for it. What is he going to do? Not reread the person? Of course he's going to do the reread and ask for input on the person who asked him to do the reread especially when the person uses him not rereading as a point in favour of scum!him. It's something he would do as town in this position too. The fact that he did the reread doesn't mean anything. If I wanted to do a "reread" of all the players in the game I could do that one by one and if I wanted I could make scum cases on any of them. That's not the point.
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I'm not sure that not being able to commit everything to memory is a good reason to call people scum though.
And yes, I do think Dan is scum, that should have been implicit back when I first gave my read on him, and the passive aggressive way I described him in the very words you're pointing out, and I'm still sort of bitter that people are vouching for his town cred for no reason and come to think of it, did anyone actually even answer my questions regarding if he did anything in the QT worth keeping alive?
This entire response was in response to Vhaltz asking why NNR was "coasting".
But that's not the problem. The problem is that most of your reasoning for why he's coasting isn't valid, on top of that fact that That is your only listed reason (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1035128.html#msg1035128) for voting him. He explained that he didn't drop Validon, just found that Shadoweh was scummier and that's not coasting, or even something to be suspicious of. The only valid part is when he turned off his brain and switched to the cop claim, but either alignment can do that.
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-.- My point is that your views are unmemorable. like shadoweh is partially guilty of this too but you're basically sitting on shadoweh and letting the game flow around you. in Mirai Nikki you were a lot more passionate about your case on Dormio and your defense of Raikaria etc. This game I only get your views on Shadoweh/Dan and a small bit on Validon. Serela is null scum when he comes up. Why are you so limp this game?
I don't normally hold someone switching top scumspects scummy, but look at the post where he switches to Shadoweh for the easiest reasoning ever (and unsubstantiated too; how is Shadoweh showing a completely lack of scumhunting?) Compare that to the stronger case he made on Validon and I'm skeptical about the sincerity of the switch.
The cop sheep is just plain opportunism. Yes, either alignment can do it, but NNR completely ignores the nuances of the claim and the possible interactions with ITPs, which I wouldn't expect town to do. I could understand more if he suspected Serela earlier in the game, but he didn't.
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Look at all those words.
##Vote: Zakeri
If Serela had claimed itp after being copped I'd call him scum. He was already a claimed person who would set off the cop, so the amazing revelation that he turned out to have a non-town motive isn't a revelation at all. I don't think he's scum, wanting to do his own captain planet explains the weird motives coming from him.
Guess what my list of who needs to die hasn't changed. I would be less against a NNR lynch then I would the other townies tbh, but I still think Dan and Zak are a better lynching ground, and Validon can get modkilled. Lynching Serela would be okay, but it's not going to be a surprising flip. something something bardiche kill all the itps something. Lynching Conq would be embarrassing.
Why does everyone have a vig except me ._.
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Why does everyone have a vig except me ._.
Are you sad you have a truckload of useful powers instead of a vig that you'll probably never be able to activate?
TELL ME SHADOWEH >:C
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For the Record, Conqueror, I don't think you are scum so much as just getting really frusterated.
Granted that's ignoring that you're also claiming semi-ITP but dammit, there can't be more than four people we need to lynch so I'm just ignoring those claims forever.
cut: I fail to see how the point for not scumhunting is "unsubstantial" considering he made the vote before Shadoweh even saw fit to call anyone besides Raikaria scum. It's also self-defeating that you're admitting Shadoweh has no scumhunting presence, even after her opinion post.
Even if you have dissenting opinions about how strong each of NNR's cases are, that doesn't change which he thought was more important to go after.
I will concede the the follow-the-cop point for now but that alone doesn't convince me of scum intent.
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I kept an eye on the thread but I avoided posted anything after yesterday's meltdown. I was too shaky to make any kind of useful contributions.
I don't have any solo win condition. It seems several other people do. Therefore I considered to myself, I wonder if there are actually any scum in this game? Perhaps the 'scums' are actually the specialist townies.
I think that if the Cop returned 'scum' for Serela, that means he's scum. But DarkNinja didn't say that. He just said 'returned positive'. Maybe that is the language used in this forum to mean 'found a scum <3' but for some reason it really bothers me. 'Positive' only indicates a result. I want to know the question.
DarkNinja, could you please tell us what was being tested that returned a positive result?
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SkyPaladin, we've already have "town with an ITP condition" die and have their rolepm flipped. TWICE, even, albiet the second one wasn't a death.
It's pretty much impossible they are the scum in any capacity. Although I guess I wouldn't put it past PX for a scum to have a ITP win condition, but I highly doubt Conq is scum and I know I'm not.
Also, Darkninja's claim states he tests for any kind of non-town motivations. I didn't return a guilty for scumminess, I returned a positive for non-town motivation because I have an ITP win condition (in addition to my town one) And no, that's not the standard language used; this is a very gimmicky setup and normally cops are just "guilty or not guilty for being scum", darkninja isn't a normal cop at all.
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Anyway now that I reread Darkie's claim post I see he has a vendetta against Conq and I have no idea why apart from "conq argued vhaltz was scum"
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This is probably the worse game to get started playing in.
Barring an outright bastard mod, or the one's we vow to never talk about.
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Polaris replaces in for Validon
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POLLY <3
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Sup B)
I should warn you guys that I am not a Super High-School Level Detective regardless of what any surrounding imagery might have you believe
I only skimmed the thread so I can't give you totally informed opinions, plus I still have homework, but whatever.
Let's start off with super-skimming not-scum reads. P.sure everyone agrees Sky Paladin is town unless there is a hilarious plot twist about to happen (and honestly, Vhaltz's ascension into Rie Kugimiya was plot twisty enough). Serela is not scum as far as I can tell, just off gut (although he's totally ITP am I right). Conq seems pretty townish but is totally not stylish so I like to pretend I'm biased against him. darkninja is prob. town too.
as a result we have CF7/IHNN, Shadoweh, NNR, ActionDan, Serious Bananas, and Zakeri. Disregarding Shadoweh because she has lots of style points and Bananas because he phased out of this plane of existence until further notice, I will look closely at the remaining people I have not crossed off.
Not making a vote without a proper read but those are my future plans for now.
If anyone wants me to look at a person that is already crossed off, you should tell me and maybe provide evidence or something and then I'll look at them too.
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as for why I am disregarding shadoweh for style points, that is because if we lynch Shadoweh I feel the game will be a lot more boring. As the Romans say, variety is the spice of life, in which Shadoweh is the variety and mafia is life as we know it.
plus I bet Shadoweh plans on being loud and obnoxious and she's done a lot of things that she will have to take responsibility for which seems very anti-scum to me. I didn't immediately clear her as town because Shadoweh but technically she's on my skimmed town reads I suppose.
don't get the wrong idea ok? it's not because i like shadoweh or anything.
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Wow too bad that nobody's on to post except Serela.
I wanted to at least see you guys chat idly while I went about my business before getting to the horribly low-priority mafia but I guess that's not going to happen ):
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Sorry :) Everything I've done so far has been wrong. I even wanted to lynch Shadoweh! But your argument of 'hey if Shadoweh is scum we shouldn't lynch her because it's more interesting for her to be alive' is kind of, well...special.
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i havent read this thread and dont really plan to but i recall seeing some of shadoweh's posts and they looked like mafia posts so ##Vote: Shadoweh
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huhwhat replaces Serious Bananas
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Oh wow we got HW and Polly in one go!
...oh, I should probably actually reread soon considering I have 3 hours before I should sleep.
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i havent read this thread and dont really plan to but i recall seeing some of shadoweh's posts and they looked like mafia posts so ##Vote: Shadoweh
HW considering what just occured with ActionDan last night please don't make me cry.
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other stuff i remember from when i was skimming:
zak is obvtown
conq is obvtown
dan is PROBABLY SCUM??
but i'm not up to date on everybody's alt wincons and whatever. i haven't even read the last few pages
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oh did dan break out some bullshit claim and clear all my scumreads or something
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No I meant more that it's basically what actiondan did except he wasn't kidding (until conq yelled at him more and Dan eventually said he'd skimmed some, and then eventually said he'd look at a few people tomorrow (today) )
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Sorry :) Everything I've done so far has been wrong. I even wanted to lynch Shadoweh! But your argument of 'hey if Shadoweh is scum we shouldn't lynch her because it's more interesting for her to be alive' is kind of, well...special.
Read my post and try again.
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also zzzzz
IHNN, when you see this, would you mind fullclaiming? b/c CF7's claim was so terrible and I want something more concrete `_`
I get the impression that Zak isn't scum but he doesn't have a whole lot of posts for me to really tell. Same with SB. ?_? mafia too hard
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btw I think CF7 is scummy so
##Vote IHNN
sorry IHNN but if you're town you'll have to work extra hard to make up for CF7's scumminess. if you're scum then you should just let me lynch you ^_~
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I get the impression that Zak isn't scum but he doesn't have a whole lot of posts for me to really tell. Same with SB. ?_? mafia too hard
I was confused for a minute because I thought you were SB.
HW is SB, Polly is Validon, YES, okay, good.
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IHNN, when you see this, would you mind fullclaiming? b/c CF7's claim was so terrible and I want something more concrete `_`
Chihaya Kisaragi, Goddess of Singing. For as long as I'm alive everyone can talk at night.
btw I think CF7 is scummy so
If you're going to lynch me at least lynch me for what I've done and not what my playerslot has done :V
Anyway I like Polly's stuff aside from voting for me(http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/chansub-global-emoticon-ddc6e3a8732cb50f-25x28.png)
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Oh right I promised to re-read people and started that then got distracted and then streamed (PX can vouch for that, he was there) so I'm gonna go finish those re-reads of people now.
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Happy Birthday ActionDan
Song: Kamisama no Birthday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlprKi0FbO4)
ActionDan (2) - Serela, I have no name
Shadoweh (2) - Zakeri, huhwhat
Serela (2) - Darkninjaabc, NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1) - Conqueror
Zakeri (1) - Shadoweh
I have no name (1) - Polaris
Not Voting: ActionDan, Sky Paladin
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With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
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actually, my shadoweh read is wrong
##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan
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Well let me just go over CF7 for now.
CF7 attacks darkninja with words like "most suspicious so far" yet keeps his RVS jokevote on NNR. and by "keeps" I mean makes a conscious decision to vote NNR (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1032517.html#msg1032517) after realizing his initial acrostic voting didn't count. Next, he votes BT as a result of BT being a hammer bro., and a lot later he votes Serela for reasons beyond the comprehension of a mere mortal. CF7's voting is really uninspired and suggests scum looking for someone to vote as opposed to town looking for scum (wherein voting would be a consequence of looking for scum).
CF7 at the end of Episode 1 wagoning on Shadoweh seems to serve no purpose other than to avoid the Raikaria wagon, which I suppose is not in itself a scummy thing to do if you didn't want to lynch the doctor, but I don't like how he goes "you guys lynched the doctor??? for shame" even though he did nothing to stop said lynch. (that said, I think validon was also guilty of this except he was town so I guess I can't push the point. for the record I would've lynched raikaria if anyone cares)
So basically the case is superficial vote patterns with no real content/substance. Of course, IHNN can't defend himself from any of this, so it'll be mean-spirited if I push any more than here. But CF7 is bad enough for me to leave my vote on IHNN unless he can prove himself townish enough for me to drop him (or I take a look at someone else and they end up looking worse)
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I'm lost here
I voted Serela because the cop (with crumbs and 4 other people softconfirming it) had a non-town result on him. I didn't think I needed reason beyond that. There's technically still a non-town result on Serela.
I was busy again today and I can't remember the last time I posted either.
These claims are jacking me up though. I should ignore them.
Ugh all these sub ins are going to throw me off too. At this rate I'm going to need to abandon my other game due to lack of time for it (despite wanting to have played that game over this one in the first place, ironically.)
I am actually exhausted right now from lack of sleep last night, and going on the biggest mood swing ever today ( from meh to crappy to ecstatic to crappy again)
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What ever happened to "Serela is still anti-town" anyway
Is that not a thing?
We are going to run out of non-scum before we run out of wincons I think.
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Don't worry NNR, take your time and get back to us when you feel better. I don't think you're in danger of being lynched anyway (as far as I can tell)
I actually forgot about the cop result on Serela and may have to reconsider not getting rid of him.
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The issue with your cop guilty reasoning, NNR, is it's from someone who checks for non-town win conditions and I already claimed a non-town win condition beforehand.
The "cop guilty" seriously didn't change anything except us learning Darkie's role
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guys dan is mafia. he has zero interactions with SB in the quicktopic and there is no reason for him to think my slot is town unless he doesn't want to be PoE'd as the only scum in the neighbor qt once the rest of us flip. i agree that his ISO is defcon level as well
i haven't read anybody else in full, i'll post the rest of my reads when i do
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serela are you the sk :(
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Who hasn't claimed a wincon anyway? CF7 and Raikaria? Darkninja's cop is going to be far from useful if it only detects alt-wincons and not non-beign players.
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Happy birthday ActionDan :derp:
I tried reading Dan but I feel ambivalent. I dunno if he REALLY needs to be lynched today. Logically he seems p. terrible but my intuition tells me that it'll be a waste of time. And my intuition is never wrong! (sarcasm)
Can I have a list of people who have claimed to be in the QT so far? Not everyone, just the people who have claimed it (unless everyone has claimed it)
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everybody in the quicktopic has claimed it i think. it's just dan/mitsuki/dark and i
i have a wincon but i'm not playing to it because px is a NERD
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NNR, sorry but that's what his role is unless he's lying scum >_>
It's not that weak because half or more of town probably -doesn't- have any ITP conditions. A town result in itself is still fairly powerful.
And no HW I'm not the SK, this role as an sk would be literally the worst.
Polly:Dan, SB(HW), Vhaltzuki, Darkie. That's all 4. Darkie being a "cop" is why they decided they were all town for him not getting nk'd after crumbing his role in the QT d1.
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Guess that makes Darkninja a really worthless cop since I think there's less vanilla wincon townies then there are other ones *shrug*
I was under the impression his role meant "finds players that town needs to kill to win the normal town wincon"
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So
I'm curious how this affects your voting priorities
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I'm not really sure what the hell we're supposed to do with you Serela. I never got a chance to follow your case to well, tbh. Guess I could do one of these other things while I wait for dark to come back and clarify:
I wonder what I should do with my Validon read now that he's gone and replaced.
I also tried to read Paladin earlier but couldn't find any progress on reading hi- oh wait I remember now, he's town for that postgame thing he did.
I'm really tempted to vote Dan too, I've been kind of forgetting him all game because he's been non-existent but now I can't really not notice him and he's noticeably awful.
There's also Shadoweh who I forgot about and should still be suspicious of I think, JOAT is a null claim.
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vote dan i literally guarantee he's mafia
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So this is going to be a wall and I'm going to quotestrip it by person (D2/2.5 only considered). Also yes it's excerpts that could be taken out of context, but since I'm linking to the actual post you can check the context if you so choose.
darkninja:
imho zakeri is just a bad townie, scum usually doesn't play that bad...
In the end, the one who irks me most is Serela...implies that he is being assisted, by scum.
"Too scummy to be scum" is bad logic. Also, 'improving play' does not mean that outside help is being given. It looks like a shoehorned Serela 'case', the relevant part of which is shown.
I am also a watered down cop, with the ability to investigate for any not pro-town motives. I copped Serela for n1 and returned positive, which combined with his earlier play and the fact that there's already a bunch of town wincons made me to question is this ''pro-town motive'' really is as how he claimed...That means I scumread you and your every single argument, Conqueror, I shall be taking it on you, just not now...Meanwhile I need to squeeze a fullclaim and his entire thought process from Serela, and it better be fast.
scumteam: Conq/Serela/Dan OR Ihavenoname
The reasoning, however, is perfectly understandable here, and fits with the case looking shoehorned in-it pretty much was. However, just throwing out a scumteam on D2...is not generally a good idea, even with this many players being obv/derp/probtown.
Notice how swift and passionately conqueror pushed for the respective wagons for pretty much any candidate. His dedication is also completely lacking in pursuing any of his cases.
I'm going to disagree on Conq, his cases have effort from my perspective.
darkninja verdict: misguided town, no longer scummy.
Shadoweh:
Dan lurking was bad, but if he's being active in the QT I can understand it.
Giving Dan a free pass for QT shenanigans, maybe it's playstyle, maybe it's defending a buddy. (nope totally not colored by me currently reading Shadoweh and Dan as scum)
+the other stuff I said about her D1 somewhere in the thread that I can't be bothered to go find.
Shadoweh verdict: I don't know, honestly. Content shaped up a lot after being wagoned which is a good thing except I know Shadoweh is skilled enough to do that as scum. Probably still scum but I'd rather lynch...
ActionDan:
Stuff I already covered
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...and nothing else!
"I never want to play with ActionDan again if this is town behavior"
- "I must show moral offense to sell my vote!"
Though this was blatant OMGUS to perfectly valid sentiments.
ActionDan verdict: DIE THE DEATH SCUMBAG! I still don't care how amazing your 'play' in the QT is because your thread play is super scum 9000, and HW who is in the QT is not calling you town, as if I needed -more- reason to not move my vote right now.
Serela:.... :C
I still like Serela. Serela is cool and had better not be tricking me :c
NNR:
This post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1034612.html#msg1034612) is really good. However, outside of that...not too much other than a telegraphed switch to Shadoweh for reasons I completely agree with. Has claimed IRL reasons and I can believe that.
NNR verdict: Probably not scum but warrants a 2nd look if my scumreads turn up town
ValidonPolly:
On the one hand, Polly is really good and attacking him for what Validon did would be hypocritical of me :ohdear: . On the other hand, I still need to read Validon...
...and Validon did nothing but replace out on D2...but nothing jumps out at me as scummy from D1/N1 either.
Validon/Polly verdict: Stop voting me so we can be town buddies \:D/
Zakeri:
I'm looking at his posts and seeing nothing wrong why can't I get a read ;_;
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##Unvote
##Vote ActionDan
I thought about it over dinner and ugghhhhghhhhhhhhghh logic > intuition and maybe i trust huh what more than i trust myself ::) Also I feel like I need some closure in the chapter of my short-lived life that involves Dan, or something. huh what is it ok if i put my faith in your read
for the record I haven't dropped IHNN completely yet `_` got my eye on you buster
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Aim For the Top!
Song: MEGARE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdkOte5FpFk)
ActionDan (4) - Serela, I have no name, huhwhat, Polaris
Shadoweh (1) - Zakeri
Serela (2) - Darkninjaabc, NekoNekoRex
NekoNekoRex (1) - Conqueror
Zakeri (1) - Shadoweh
Not Voting: ActionDan, Sky Paladin
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With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
ActionDan is at L-2
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Yeah what IHNN just said about Darkie is pretty much the same conclusion I'd come to awhile ago- the cop result explains the strange sensationalist case against me at the start of d2 and etcetcetc
So who wants to take bets on whether the obvtown cop or the obvtown doc is the one getting nightkilled tonight! There's also Option B.Shadoweh successfully plays bus driving serial killer, the most exhilarating game.
Speaking of exhilarating, seeing the ActionDan wagon suddenly take off is like my broken dreams coming true. *Wipes tear from eye* <3
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Wait we have waaaaaaaaaay more time than I expected. :V I guess I can actually give Dan some time to actually make the posts he said he would make.
now I feel slighly uncomfortable
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Polly it's not like you just hammered Dan or anything :V He can make posts even if you're voting him!
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You guys are so mean, it's his birthday >:< Dan isn't going to be here to answer your questions anyways.
I also just found out that if you take the peel off a banana it turns into huh what \o/
I spent the entire last night not being able to sleep and woke up like an hour ago so i don't have anything to add? huh what why is Zak obvious town?
I AM STILL THE ONLY TOWNIE. ME AND SKY PALADIN. WE'RE GOING TO EVICT THE REST OF YOU
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Guess I'm probably toast tonight. Might as well sheep Dan although I think Serela and Shadoweh are scum.
##Vote Dan
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I spent the entire last night not being able to sleep and woke up like an hour ago so i don't have anything to add? huh what why is Zak obvious town?
Zak doesn't fake confusion as scum, he's not Serela. imo it's pretty blatant he's just his wordvomit obvtown self from recent games. you were his buddy in GHW you should know this :colbert:
unrelated but I'm mad Conq is voting town when he could be voting Dan: NNR is also really blatantly town because as scum he'd be self-conscious about being caught, not about play quality. If somebody insulted his play he'd just be "whatever I'm scum" or get offended BUT keep it to the scum QT. I also think he would've jumped on Darkninja D1 instead of just being admonishing; NNR likes to vote people who are playing objectively badly when he's scum.
granted all of this probably doesn't mean anything and my read is really just "I'm good at reading NNR so Fuck You"
I'm still reading the game, but I got caught up updating my SF game and kind of lost focus.
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I was town (of course). The reason I was suspicious of Raikaria on day 1 was because he had claimed doctor - and I was a doctor as well. Only my doctor ability was way less lame! If I covered somebody, they were sabotaged too! So I thought if there was already a sweet doctor, why would there also be a lame-doctor? It didn't add up.
Anyway I thought Sarela was either being a good towny or an evil scummy, so I decided to cover them last night on the chance they were a good towny being targetted for death, or an evil scummy trying to kill somebody. So when I asked in thread "How many hits do mafia get?" I was hoping to get some confirmation that there were less deaths than expected, and thus confirm that I had blocked a hit somehow.
Then Sarela was the one who chimed in how many hits mafia got, so I thought 'how coincidental AND SUSPICIOUS'.
I really thought Shadoweh was scum but before I could evaluate their role post and Sarela's rebuttal I had to go to work. And now I am back. Looking forward to the rest of the post-game analysis~
damn serela really is a sk isn't he :(
no other reason for doc + jk together
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oh right and we also had a bp lmao
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##Unvote
no need for L-1 with so much time left in the day.
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oh right and we also had a bp lmao
doc + bp + jk + bus driver joat
I supose Serela could have been roleblocked from killing.
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I don't like Validon's slot. In #221, Shadoweh had one reaction to Raikaria's claim, and it was an attempt to draw further information out of him. Contrast this with Conq, who was hardpushing Raikaria as being obvscum in light of the claim. Why would Validon gun for Shadoweh over Conq unless he was scared he couldn't get Conq lynched, but still wanted to whiteknight the doomed townie? I don't normally buy into "if I were scum" as scumtell but this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033863.html#msg1033863) makes it look like he just defend Raikaria because he expected towncred from it.
IHNN is ehhhh. I wasn't fond of CF7's ED1 reaction to Darkninja, which looks likes the way newbscum would treat somebody they knew was town. CF7 also did this awkward thing where he pushed Raikaria without really wanting to (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033544.html#msg1033544), and this is scummy behavior since he's content to let an expected mislynch pass instead of finding, pushing and lynching scum. Meanwhile, IHNN handwaving my slot as town is just weird, especially after he grouped it in with the active people. SB had barely posted anything and wasn't obvtown in any sense of the word, this just makes it look like IHNN already knows I'm town because he is a mafia. That said I think this is a lot weaker than the dirt on Dan and Validon.
If I'm wrong on one my scumreads (tbf IHNN/Polly as buddies would be kind of weird albeit not impossible) then PoE says the third maf would be Shadoweh (or just 2 scum + SKerela which might make more sense due to altwins. or MULTIBALL but then that'd create new problems), which isn't unbelievable but I think she picked up her game after ED1 and don't find her horrible or anything. I really don't think any of Conq/NNR/Zak are scum, though. If Paladin is scum then that's the best acting job this forum has ever seen. Serela probably isn't town and I will support a lynch on him as a last resort, but I don't think he's Mafia.
All in all I'm still the most confident about lynching Dan.
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Polly, why is having somebody at L-1 at this point in the day a problem? A self-hammer wouldn't really be anti-town at this point and accidental hammers just don't realistically happen very often.
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It's always when we stop guarding against quickhammers taht they happen, you know.
huh what has half my reads, maybe we can be townie bros again :> If you think ihnn and polaris are the most suspicious as partners though, they did kind of mob Dan as quickly as he became a suspect.
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it doesnt seem too implausible to me (dan didn't really look good, so he'd be an alright bus target) but maybe i am just trying to justify all my reads in my mind
imo lynch dan first then sort out buddies
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Aw man it's cool that Hw replaced SB now I can actually read that slot properly.
I guess he has convinced me a little about lynching Dan, I still have my doubts though.
3 conditional vigs sounds like a really boring theme for a mafia game, I buy Conq's conditional over Serela's because the one Serela claimed is literally one I made up myself as part of my fakeclaim to make everything fit together.
I'm thinking one of them may be scum because of jailor+doc and BT's vig being a daykill. The two night-protecting roles don't feel right with just 2 conditional 1-shot vigs and the scum kill, there may just be an actual ITP and Serela is either the one who sent the mafia kill or the SK getting blocked.
There's also what I said about two vigs activating in the N3/D4 period where theoretically only one would be of any use for town.
But yeah I don't know this is all setup speculation. I guess being an unkillable innocent child means I'm thinking of the game in the long run for once and I just really want to see Serela's flip because it'd be a really central piece of the puzzle.
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Uhhhhh
Conq what do you think of Serela's crumbs?
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Basically, I can see town being rather clueless about what's happening atm.
On a whole I do not agree with Dan wagon, the major point being made is that he's lurking, and lurkers must be lynched. I simply do not want to sheep
Conq's too good, I would prefer to test his claim instead. Which is easy, either by us not lynching or me investigating, I would recommend the former.
Serela wagon on D2 start was just my cop result. Note that its before Vhaltz pulled captain planet.
Sky Paladin is claimed jailkeep, jailing those who have claimed, we can confirm their towness later.
I also do not see placing my reads on the table as being scum, for information is necessary for any mafia games. Though I am still answering most inquiries directed to me anyway since I simply cannot risk random scum leading a partial wagon then removing my passive.
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tldr you may want to lynch dan, but wait please since its still ages until deadline.
Before I move on, I must remark of Prims behavior in the QT.
His reads on players are generated mostly based on his previous interactions with them, which, in a nutshell doesn't even work; they play bad last game, but they can and will improve by correcting their mistakes and altering their style. Which makes most of his so called reads actually do not even stand for they only contain his comment on a few players.
Based on his mentality as a replacement starting afresh, it is not unlikely for him to make bold strokes as scum considering how in this game, stated in the rules, have no prodding system. Making it plausible for one scum to lurk while the other diverting attention away from said lurkscum. SB could actually be too busy with his games, or just realized his lurkstrat cannot persist forever and thus requested a switch. Then the rest is history; Prims trying to look enthusiastic town with a clean record while brainwashing most of us in the QT with walls of short reads in hopes that we will sheep for him.
Therefore I find him scummy, lack of a clear case towards one individual is suspicious enough. Plus there's the fact that he also gladly went with the ''sheep whoever is okay'' stance DESPITE he has clearly shown a huge degree of passion towards his reads. Quality regardless, the short reads which do not really sway the game, but enough to show contribution; Weak stance on any of his cases cannot convict him as scum bad enough.
My scumteam: Prims (former SB)/Serela/Dan
Just don't fucking vote dan and end the day now, even if you want him dead bad.
And Serela's claim of vig simply makes no sense whatsoever, please genuinely match his posting behavior and how quickly and willingly he obliged to my accusation of not having posted enough instead of explaining why beforehand he DIDN'T DO SO. And think of whether it makes enough sense of you for there to be three vigs in one 14 player game.
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## unvote
## vote Serela
Darks comment on wheeling for Dan also cut me, so. I should vote for somebody I actually believe to be harmful, right?
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Darkie "OH NO TOO MANY VIGS IN ONE GAME WHO PROBABLY NEVER GET TO SHOOT ANYWAY"
Seriously, BT's vig had a -very- low chance of coming to fruition if you seriously think about it, Conq's vig activating practially guarentee's BT's will not AND also just balances out town's no-lynch (so town comes out with the same number of town-minded kills as if they had lynched in the first place), and while I haven't claimed my conditional it is also pretty damn unlikely to happen, DESPITE HOW HOPEFUL I CONTINUE TO BE ABOUT IT
On a whole I do not agree with Dan wagon, the major point being made is that he's lurking
Nope, you're looking at it wrong. Dan isn't just "lurking", he pretty much literally refused to scumhunt even when people were hounding him about it (he -eventually- gave in and said he'd read some people, but not only has he not done it and it's been over 30 hours (!?), it doesn't make up for the previous talk being nigh-unimaginable from a town player)
He tried to use a town clear (that is -not- in actuality a town clear) as why he wasn't going to scumhunt when confronted about it, and instead of trying to do any scumhunting he put his effort into arguing his confirmed-town-ness instead, and then OMGUS'd people who voted him anyway (which is also -really really scummy-)
The case is not "Dan is lurking". It was that at the beginning of D2, but since then he's done a lot of super scummy stuff as soon as people actually scrutinized him, and then dropped off the face of the planet to boot. If PX wasn't taking an abnormal stance of not punishing lurkers, Dan would be in danger-of-modkill territory right now. (But he's not, so we have to lynch him instead)
I'm also not sure I understand why you think HW is baseless. While overrelying on Meta is bad, and in some cases HW does ADMIT his read isn't so solid and more just "I think I'm good at reading this person" and he admits it openly (it's not like it's for his scumreads anyway), I don't think this applies to most of his reads or anything >_>
If you've played in a place with a small playerbase for multiple years, you're going to be using previous knowledge of their play as you read them. And it's probably going ot be helpful. While people do tend to try to change, there's only so much they can do- they're very likely to act similarly to how they have in the past, because it's just how they work.
You saw HW has a lack of a clear case towards anyway, but I think his Dan thing is sufficient? He didn't say a lot about Dan, but quite honestly, Dan is a very open-and-shut case. All there really is to it is stating whether you agree or disagree it makes him scum.
Conq's too good, I would prefer to test his claim instead. Which is easy, either by us not lynching or me investigating, I would recommend the former.
Conq's "too good"? What is this supposed to mean? Anyway, we're not no-lynching. What if Conq just gets nightkilled or the scum can roleblock him or something? Even if we have a doc (err, jailer?), scum might have a strongman kill to go through it; with what we know of the setup so far that's not unlikely.
Investigating him is useless. Whether he's scum or town telling the truth, he's going to come up "positive". It'd be a depressing waste of your night action. The only way you'd get a result other then "positive" is if he's town lying about having ITP conditionals which makes absolutely no sense and means we still don't want to lynch him anyway. (I highly doubt scum has a person with immunity to your cop because half the townies are already false positives, any more would mean PX is a dick)
Plus there's the fact that he also gladly went with the ''sheep whoever is okay'' stance DESPITE
I don't have a lot of time because I have work soon so I'd rather just ask you to show me where he does this (HW tends to joke a good bit as forewarning, also you might be interpreting something wrong)
please genuinely match his posting behavior and how quickly and willingly he obliged to my accusation of not having posted enough instead of explaining why beforehand he DIDN'T DO SO.
I'm confused ??? I don't understand. Please explain. Anyway the other two parts of "why serela should die" are silly shenanigans about me having a conditional vig, which I already explained.
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wait, you said you on a whole do not agree with the dan wagon but then he's on your estimated scumteam ???
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You saw HW has a lack of a clear case towards anyway
towards anyone*
also hw has some other scumreads too iirc but honestly I don't remember concretely enough so I'm not going to go further on that
gtg get ready for work, not actually leaving for like 40 minutes though so I'll still be able to reply to stuff if you respond fairly soon
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towards anyone*
you said* towards anyone*
>_> <_<
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Actually now that I think about it, I think the wagons between Dan and me are even right now >_>
Granted, Polly unvoted to avoid quickhammer but still wants Dan lynched (afaik) and NNR expressed desire to lynch Dan over me but didn't switch because it would put him at L-1 (iirc) so I don't think I actually need to be worried.
But. :T
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Don't you people dare put me at L-1 today because scum!Dan would be all over quickhammering that.
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off to work BBL
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Don't Go Any Other Way!
Song: Go My Way! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUd0B-cUzOg)
ActionDan (3) - Serela, I have no name, huhwhat
Shadoweh (1) - Zakeri
Serela (3) - Darkninjaabc, NekoNekoRex, Sky Paladin
NekoNekoRex (1) - Conqueror
Zakeri (1) - Shadoweh
Not Voting: ActionDan, Polaris
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With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
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Serela, you still haven't fullclaimed despite we repeatly asked you to many, many times. Its' not just once, but again and again, even when you are now at L-3, you still refuse to fullclaim your role, is there really anyone other than scum who will do this?
Even with meta wild guessing aside, the major point I have always made on you is how you have lurked through a major portion of d1, and just spontaneously came to life in d2 once arguments have been made on you, which is pretty damning evidence considering how carefree after lynch and that your intial attitude with either wagons being quite emotionally invested, or such that you would want us to believe.
Worse still, you have never explained the crumbs for your lurk in d1, detailing your thoughts at the time, which is a thing I have asked you to tell us since in literally almost every single goddamn post I made. Why would this even be a concern to one who's town, just fullclaim your role and thoughts on what the hell happened in d1 behavior and we see if the pieces fit together, imho you have already dragged this way past the event horizon, the only possibilty otherwise can only be that you are scum, and you and your scumteam need to decide on whether to hard defend you or just draft up some believable shit.
You literally have been doing nothing in d1, sans nitpicking posts and posting neutral stuff which doesn't help with reads. There has never been any detailed cases which spawn from you, and you have never bothered to explain said lack of detailed cases. Even when being the leading wagon, you still refused to fullclaim the details of your so-called unlikely-to-ever-proc-vigilante-role, you tell us its unlikely to proc, and therefore we should trust you and this combined with the fact that there's already been 2 more vig makes 3 vigs totally reliable. It doesn't work like that, we do not necessarily have to trust conq's claim, for it might just be a gambit, and we have even less of a reason to trust you for we still haven't heard a fullclaim from you. If anything, you are the prime candidate to lynch. Scum.
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serela you should probably just go ahead and fullclaim
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actually this serela wagon sucks
dark, reply in the quicktopic if you didn't see
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oh I guess he's not around.
basically, my altcon says I'm not considered a threat to the town. from this it can be assumed that all the alt wincons that don't say anything about this are. which means the result on serela doesn't mean shit, at all
anybody else who has an alternate wincon that's not considered a threat should be able to confirm this
so basically i take back what i said about serela being sk, he's probably just town.
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the actual serial killer is: Conqueror
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Meanwhile, IHNN handwaving my slot as town is just weird, especially after he grouped it in with the active people. SB had barely posted anything and wasn't obvtown in any sense of the word, this just makes it look like IHNN already knows I'm town because he is a mafia. That said I think this is a lot weaker than the dirt on Dan and Validon.
I had been reading SB as town and know I'm horrible at reading you unless something jumps out, and nothing is so far.
Serela, you still haven't fullclaimed despite we repeatly asked you to many, many times. Its' not just once, but again and again, even when you are now at L-3, you still refuse to fullclaim your role, is there really anyone other than scum who will do this?
Yes, there are valid reasons for town not to claim their role. If Serela has a conditional vig that's unlikely, did you consider that revealing the condition would make the chance of it occurring 0?
Even when being the leading wagon, you still refused to fullclaim the details of your so-called unlikely-to-ever-proc-vigilante-role, you tell us its unlikely to proc, and therefore we should trust you and this combined with the fact that there's already been 2 more vig makes 3 vigs totally reliable. It doesn't work like that, we do not necessarily have to trust conq's claim, for it might just be a gambit, and we have even less of a reason to trust you for we still haven't heard a fullclaim from you. If anything, you are the prime candidate to lynch. Scum.
Don't try to PoE what roles will/won't exist from the setup on conditional vigs >_> Also fullclaims don't mean anything because...
Anybody can ask for a fakeclaim at any time
...so claiming willingly I would read as null leaning scum and not claiming at all until absolutely necessary is completely null in this game, IMO.
If you guys really want to we can lynch Serela but today we are lynching Dan, because I'm pretty sure we can all agree that he needs to die.
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as for why I am disregarding shadoweh for style points, that is because if we lynch Shadoweh I feel the game will be a lot more boring. As the Romans say, variety is the spice of life, in which Shadoweh is the variety and mafia is life as we know it.
plus I bet Shadoweh plans on being loud and obnoxious and she's done a lot of things that she will have to take responsibility for which seems very anti-scum to me. I didn't immediately clear her as town because Shadoweh but technically she's on my skimmed town reads I suppose.
don't get the wrong idea ok? it's not because i like shadoweh or anything.
This sounds worthless, and also kind of like a series of bullshit excuses to deny a wagon (that doesn't even exist, curse everyone of you).
btw I think CF7 is scummy so
##Vote IHNN
This also feels like a weird thing to push, like of all the scumspects to push, why the one that's not even playing the game anymore? It doesn't even feel like you're pushing Nameless, you're literally just going after an unflipped dead guy.
I like Huhwhat, despite the fact that all he's really done is give me hope only to rip it away a few posts later.
umm, as much as I enjoy spending the time being a useless piece of magikarp, it's been more than 72 hours into the day and I feel like some attempt at consolidation and admitting that it is way too boring sitting in a wagon trying to grease the tires is due.
##Unvote: Shadoweh
##Vote: ActionDan (L-2)
Dan is been my second pick for scum all day, so I guess I'm not unhappy with this anyways. Also, Dan's flip is much more useful to us than Serela's ever will be, since the way He's gone about claiming it proves the Serela is incapable of lying about what his role does.
The only part he hasn't claimed is what actually needs to happen in order to get his vig shot going, and that's probably the least likely part to be suspicious of, so the calls for a fullclaim seem kind of lame to me.
There's also the fact that Dan is fullscum, while Serela has nigglings of townie almond in the dark chocolate of suspiciousness.
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still in the process of rereading but what do people think about a no lynch? i dont think there's a mafia rb since sky claimed something like jk and rb-jk interactions are nasty. plus there's a claimed cop running around so...
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welcome to all the new replacements btw :>
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i don't see why you can't just lynch mafia today and play to your town wincon instead of your itp one
unless you only have an itp wincon??
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no, it's not that >_>
it's almost literally the same result unless whoever i target is bp though and it prevents some of you from going down paranoia paths that lead nowhere
but lynching is more straightforward i agree
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unvoting at L-1 is basically a kneejerk reaction `_`
if we suddenly reach a climax without enough rising action then that's totally not interesting. we need to up the tension more. preferably with an actual post from dan that talks about things.
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wait........ zakeri r u scum :o
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Backflip's Back, Alright!
Song: Koi wo Hajimeyou (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecyfOKPu7mc)
ActionDan (4) - Serela, I have no name, huhwhat, Zakeri
Serela (3) - Darkninjaabc, NekoNekoRex, Sky Paladin
NekoNekoRex (1) - Conqueror
Zakeri (1) - Shadoweh
Not Voting: ActionDan, Polaris
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With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
ActionDan is at L-2
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As for why I suddenly changed my mind about Zak being scum, it's because it looks like Zak is looking for things to point out as weird just to look active without necessarily looking for a broader perspective on life, where life is a metaphor for mafia. I am only able to say this because I am the target of half of his most recent post, wherein it looks like he points out things out of obligation as opposed to actual suspicion.
It reminds me of scum!Dorian all the way back in, what was it, IHNN's final fantasy XXXVII mafia `_`
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polaris what did you think about the circumstances around cf7's claim?
granted all of this probably doesn't mean anything
I agree. But on a more serious note:
NNR is also really blatantly town because as scum he'd be self-conscious about being caught, not about play quality. If somebody insulted his play he'd just be "whatever I'm scum" or get offended BUT keep it to the scum QT. I also think he would've jumped on Darkninja D1 instead of just being admonishing; NNR likes to vote people who are playing objectively badly when he's scum.
1) What's the difference between being self-conscious about being caught and being self-conscious about play quality? I have no idea what this is supposed to mean because if the quality of your play is low you're more likely to get caught.
2) Let's approach this from the other direction. As town has NNR ever resorted to blatant appeasement to people he isn't reading as town? Remember that at the time Vhaltz called him out he was reading the Mitsuki slot as scummy enough that that's where his vote was going on D2. What changed there?
3) Also, why does it matter if he dropped darkninja on D1 if he went for CF7 instead as his play was more "objectively bad"?
NNR's vote on Serela at this point is pretty much a park. darkninja already clarified from the start of his claim that he searches for any non-town wincons.
I am also a watered down cop, with the ability to investigate for any not pro-town motives.
there's no reason to wait for that when it's been in the thread the entire time.
Vhaltz what's your expert opinion on Prims since you've supposedly had a 100% track record on reading him? Also, which Serela crumbs are you referring to because I can't be arsed to go back in Serela's iso and check
cutting myself
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wait........ zakeri r u scum :o
yes lets lynch him
seriously though this Dan rush doesn't feel cool he told us he wouldn't be here
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as I recall CF7 was at L-2 and claimed without being prompted to. CF7 seemed super eager to lie about his role and pretend to be vanilla town, in any case. Honestly I don't see why town wouldn't want to mention a everyone-gets-nighttalk role, since town can't use it if they don't know about it. That combined with the fact that the mod's tacit approval of nighttalk makes me paranoid that a role like that should have some sort of consequence.
cut by shadoweh: ##Vote: Zakeri
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Honestly I don't see why town wouldn't want to mention a everyone-gets-nighttalk role, since town can't use it if they don't know about it.
Because if scum knows about it they can kill it dead. Not that that's likely because the slot isn't a strong player >_>
Shadoweh there comes a point where IRL circumstances don't override scumminess. Why is Zakeri scummy, because I'm not seeing it?
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Why does Vhaltz's meta-opinion on me matter but not my meta-opinion on NNR :colbert:
NNR's response to Vhaltzuki doesn't make sense as appeasement because the post where they insulted his play also said they thought he was town even though he was playing badly. Scum can speak objectively about the play of townies; his read on them wouldn't have affected his reaction.
3) is a meta-tell but as far as I can see NNR didn't actually suspect darkninja at all.
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I do wish NNR would POST though, he feels like a background presence even if he's probably town
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dan hasn't posted for over 36 hours but he's been online since then so i guess he could have just been stalling for time earlier? i think as town he'd at least have taken the effort to pop in and say he was proddodging or make some comment about the wagons.
Prims are you conftown? Yeah I thought so get back in your room. B)
I am taking your opinion on NNR into account, but with a grain of salt.
And fine, maybe it's not appeasement but I think you're shoehorning your explanation onto something that doesn't necessarily fit it. My point is that if he were scumreading Mitsuki's slot, then I don't think he would have their opinion of his play at face value. I know if someone tried to dismiss me as "town playing bad" I'd get mad at them, especially if I were town (if I were scum I'd be more likely to go with the flow or take advantage of that statement somehow which looks like what NNR is doing; feels like an act). Doubly so if I were scumreading them, then I'd think they were scum trying to discredit me.
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shadoweh you realize his birthday is gone and past right
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Prims are you conftown?
yes :)
I just think it makes sense for town!NNR to react like that given a lack of self-confidence in his play I've seen him have in the past.
I probably am shoehorning my explanation because I'm trying to put a very strong gut read into words.
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I get what you're saying, but meta is also dumb and so I want to see what NNR actually posts.
I wonder what shadoweh and zak have to say to each other that their scumlists (at some point in the day) were the other person + Dan + Validon.
Zak doesn't fake confusion as scum, he's not Serela. imo it's pretty blatant he's just his wordvomit obvtown self from recent games. you were his buddy in GHW you should know this :colbert:
zak mostly reads the same to me either way tbh. could you explain what you mean by this?
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hey polly are you town?
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yes, but are you town?????
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this might not be meta so much as just knowing him better than everybody else but eh
I really think Zak is just his typical town self and people are misreading him because he's inactive and saying silly things (see: last game). Or at least I did but I just remembered Villains was a game that happened and he was super confused there so maybe you have a point and this is a dumb read. but even then I don't think anything he's done looks like it has scum intent?
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first part of the above post is about NNR, not zak
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protown sk at your service ;)
maybe ill read villains then since we still have like 9000 hours left
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admittedly polly's point on cf7 does make some sort of sense, but if he was lying to begin with why did he end up giving in and telling everyone there was night talk?
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prob because people kept pressuring him that it was role madness so he had to claim something to save face?
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Looked at Zak's ISO again and didn't find any problems with his posts. The scummiest thing he's done is skip N0 imo.
Maybe move him down to neutral at worst, but I'm still not reading him as scum. Not even seeing Polly's "he's just forcing his opinions" case. I think Zak is just demotivated and Polly is arguing that his demotivation is a lack of conviction (which it very well could be, but in a null way).
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darn it huh what that makes too much sense.
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Dark:Everyone else (yay!) has explained why me fullclaiming is neither necessary nor is my lack of doing so scummy. This makes me happy :D
Even with meta wild guessing aside, the major point I have always made on you is how you have lurked through a major portion of d1, and just spontaneously came to life in d2 once arguments have been made on you, which is pretty damning evidence considering how carefree after lynch and that your intial attitude with either wagons being quite emotionally invested, or such that you would want us to believe.
As I said several times before, I went to sleep, woke up with a very small amount of time before I had to leave for work and didn't remember I should check on mafia first. When my shift ended the day was already over. You can choose not to believe this (I certainly have no proof and could be making it up), but the thing is- I don't know what kind of scum motivation there'd really be for lurking through the end of the day when I didn't disagree with a Raikaria lynch at any point (before I went to bed I said my gut was going for it) and could have easily just hopped on him like literally almost everyone else did.
tl;dr it would have been trivially easy for me to make good posts at that point, is it that hard to believe I actually forgot about mafia in the 15-ish free minutes I had between waking up and going to work? Normally I wouldn't even argue about accidentally lurking (because normally there's no way to defend yourself for it) but in this case it's pretty hard to imagine why I would do it as scum. It would have been -so easy- to jump on Raikaria with everyone else, whereas lurking through the whole end day is guaranteed to make people mad at me.
Worse still, you have never explained the crumbs for your lurk in d1,
huh ??? What are you talking about?
detailing your thoughts at the time, which is a thing I have asked you to tell us since in literally almost every single goddamn post I made.
Wait what you have? ??? Seriously, I haven't ever seen you do this. >_> Maybe I'm being stupid but I'm drawing a big blank here.
The rest of Darkie's post is just rehashing what he's already said (mostly seems to be mad I haven't fullclaimed but that's already addressed) and that I've never made good detailed cases.
I have two rebuttals to that.
1.Cases don't have to be big or detailed to adequately explain why someone is scum
2.My stuff on actiondan doesn't count as a case? Everyone else is pretty satisfied to vote him with a short comment of explanation why (And that's honestly okay because it's pretty transparent) but I'm actually the person going around yelling at people who disagree he's worth lynching and giving good, concise explanations why he's scummy.
Also the fact that now it's been almost 2 days since ActionDan has posted, uhhhhhhh, people waiting on him to post should probably just admit he's scum who gave up.
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also yes shadoweh the dan thing happened -two- days ago, not last night
it's been like 43 hours since he last posted
Polly has good reasons on why you would vote CF7, the sad thing is that last game CF7 had some critical claim malfunctioning so unfortunately we have a rare situation of "as town he maybe could have really done this", although it's still pretty hard to believe that's true
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Vhaltz what's your expert opinion on Prims since you've supposedly had a 100% track record on reading him? Also, which Serela crumbs are you referring to because I can't be arsed to go back in Serela's iso and check
Mitsuki is significantly better at this than I am. I take much longer than her to get to my accurate final read on him so even though I have a particular view of him right now I'm not sticking with it yet until the game moves along a little further.
Besides it's not like there's even a minimal chance for a Prims lynch only relying on my gut today given all the other popular targets that people want dead so just forget about him for now.
Crumbs are his ITP conditional crumb ED1 in response to Dark's jump on CF7 and his crumb about shooting Dan when Dan outed his crumb.
I'd appreciate it if you guys started using capitalization and stopped shitposting so much. What I skimmed in the latest posts has drained my will to read for the night because of how messy everything is. I've had trouble keeping up with mafia today altogether because my american cousin I haven't seen in 10 years is over for a visit so I'll just let mafia be for a bit and I'll check up on everything after #787 properly in 11-ish hours.
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/me flips hair
whatever vhaltz you're not my real dad, i can use lower case letters all i want
People posting in re the dan timeframe puts things into perspective, I guess seeing as discussion has stagnated we can just lynch Dan and get the day over with so that we have a fresh outlook on life tomorrow (where life is a metaphor for mafia).
and as such, this is how the episode ends: not with a bang, but a whimper.
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Not using capitals is contagious! (I'm sad that I accidentally turned off smilies when I meant to have them for the ??? face though)
Also, oh. (about the crumbs) He said "for your lurk" so I was confused. I'm not sure what there would even be to explain about the role crumbs. They're pretty obvious? I made them because that's my role and it makes it slightly more believable that I'm telling the truth?
I actually forgot I crumbed vig by saying I'd shoot Dan. It's funny, because it turned out being that I really would! Except I don't have a vig yet. :C
Buuut yeah it's pretty obvious by now it'd be horrible to do anything but lynch Dan. We can keep talking throughout the night, so it's okay to just hammer him and get on with it.
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Alright, so these.
sorry it was to fulfill my conditional power I swear!
hi dan thanks for announcing it to the entire world I'm going to shoot you tomorrow :C (I'm sure the scum had probably forgotten/not cared! ...maybe)
Well I'm pretty sure Serela has conditional powers of some sort; it's too coincidental to be merely a joke.
Like, regardless of the crumbs, this is probably the townest I've ever read Serela. He'd be SK at worst, and I don't think there's an SK given what we know of the setup now.
We don't just have to talk about the lynches for today if you're leaning somewhere. I know you're relaxed because you'll be around till the end of the game but not everyone has that luxury.
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I know you're relaxed because you'll be around till the end of the game but not everyone has that luxury.
who is this referring to ??? and why does it sound foreboding
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speculation: dan is a jester because ruleset doesnt say they dont exist
##unvote
##vote: no lynch
guys if we're going to lynch dan anyway why not let me shoot him to prevent weird shenanigans, plus we kill two birds with one stone by proving my role
pedit: i was talking to vhaltz because he gets to stay around till endgame as a treestump but not all of us will be able to do that for obvious reasons :V
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then again night actions could have other weird shenanigans so never mind
I just want to shoot somebody, it'll be fun.
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We don't just have to talk about the lynches for today if you're leaning somewhere. I know you're relaxed because you'll be around till the end of the game but not everyone has that luxury.
There's were like 5 new posts during the portion of the day I was active and checking mafia and then I've been out for most of the afternoon/night because of my cousin's arrival. Tomorrow my cousin and his wife will spend a lot of time with my parents shopping and visiting peculiar spanish buildings so I'll have more time for mafia don't worry.
Besides Mitsuki will kick me in the ass if I get lazy because she appears to have a decent idea of who is scum already and would like to be the one being the innocent child right now.
So no worries really.
Like I said before there's no contributing to fulfilling ITP wincons Conq so we're not no lynching :colbert:
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who is this referring to ??? and why does it sound foreboding
Conq is making fun of how scum will never want to kill me due to my meta ;_;
cut by oooooh nevermind.
Also honestly I'd rather -avoid- possibilities of weird shenanigans by lynching him now rather then relying on you vigging him tomorrow. It'd be really annoying if anything went wrong with the plan. I guess we could take a vote of how many people seriously want to test Conq's power though. (Premise is simple, vote no lynch if you do!)
cut again by ahahaha yes I knew it. (and posting instead of reading the next cut >_> Let me actually post!)
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Vhaltz probably thinks I'm scum since he's barely responding in the neighbor QT. :colbert:
I don't support handing our lynch over to somebody who's half-ITP at best, non-town at worst.
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We're not no-lynching :V Conq there is no escape.
And alright on the Dan point, he's powerlurking hard and etc. I'm doubting my ability to read people anyways and I doubt there's another viable lynch right now besides Serela (no) and me (absolutely not).
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ActionDan is at L-2 right now and Polly/Conq are both present and not already on him! COME ON WE CAN DO THIS oh hi shadoweh
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##Unvote
##Vote ActionDan
idk anymore this is L-1
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Shadoweh you're also capable of hammering him and you're not even half itp <:
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ok. full claim from me I suppose.
1) HW is capable of killing people since I checked him last night.
2) I want to be shot twice and live to fulfill my alt-con.
3) Serela is scum
##Vote: Serela
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and I have a BP enabler who I won't name
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If you're fullclaiming, be less vague about your role. What does it do?
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I'm not capable of killing people, like not even through ITP wincon or anything. Also we already have a flipped BP. What are you even doing.
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Are you claiming BP cop Dan
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checked dan's iso for crumbs relating to sb being able to kill and i saw nothing
dan if this is a gambit i swear to god
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if Dan had an effective guilty on SB then he did nothing to push it for the entire day phase. not even a "SB probably has a harmful altcon guys jsyk". this is on top of the fact he should've PoE'd SB as scum out of the four neighbors, but didn't
hammer imo
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he said everyone in the neighborhood is likely town at the start of the day so this directly goes against that yeah
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This is dumb. Dan, claim your real role or I'm hammering.
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He made a few comments about SB in the QT after SB posted his last few blurbs before replacing out that were supposed to imply waffling on his alignment because his posts were really bad.
If this is a gambit then it was very poorly thought out.
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I posted in the QT against hammering without thinking with 50% of the day left but that was before Dan's claim.
At this point I don't uphold that anymore although I don't vouch for hammering immediately either, just proceed like you normally would. I'm off to bed.
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DAAAAAAAAAAAN GET BACK HERE
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w/e
I can get a vig power if Azusa and Iori die. I'm their backup. It said it's Azusa's sythe. so. That's the ability name. So HW has the ability to kill. The fact that the cop isn't dead meant it was a town vig I figured.
WELL GUESS NOT TROLL SETUP.
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>everyone is a vig setup
pxxxxxx
going to dinner before i digest the claim
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still think Serela is scum.
HW may be lying I have no idea why. atm in a raid.
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serela what are the conditions of your vig?
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Wait if you're a backup then how did you find out role information by targeting me?
I still can't kill people, ftr. If I can, it's not something in my role PM, but nothing in my role PM implies I have a hidden ability.
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yeah i just checked and my role pm doesn't even mention i have a scythe
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dan can you just make a clear fullclaim whenever you get the chance. i legitimately have no idea what to think of your claim because the way you're claiming it is vague and self-contradictory
gonna be afk for a while
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dan's claim posts contradict eachother and are really hard to understand, yeah.
What? Why should I claim my conditional?
I'm fine with waiting until Dan can more properly claim, assuming he doesn't disappear for over a day again. AFTER this occurs if people don't want to lynch him maybe I'll claim my conditional, but not right now >_>
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What he claimed the second time wouldn't include checking you, just that he knew all along.
I don't even know what's going on anymore.
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by the way I like how dan disappears for almost 2 entire days (where everyone's waiting for him to post and he's a pretty big topic) and then posts as soon as Can We Hammer Dan Now? becomes a legit thing.
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cuz I don't want to die by being rushed.
And look who is rushing.
It's you Serela.
You are the one going kill dan kill dan we can do it!
Atm I am in a raid group . from 7-10 and I am blaming lag for taking a min to post crap.
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You hadn't posted in almost 2 days, it's not like there wasn't a reason for it >_> You'd be modkilled for inactivity in any other game by now.
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im not hammer dan
instead im going sleep off bad headahe amaybe
no ill probably be back later
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well yes now that he's -actually here- he doesn't need to be hammered
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I do not see any reason to quicklynch, just because these people are online and enjoy making short brief posts to brainwash everyone, don't be so easy to accept what is stuffed to you.
Just unvote, clearly show your stance and wait until later.
Real life will be coming in for me soon so I will be brief.
Serela lurk since d1 is suspicious on its own, but then he switched gears to a very active member in d2, which tells the fact that its not his real life schedule doesn't allow it, but that the lurk was deliberate pulled. Work doesn't justify an excuse for that.
all vig setup is still ridiculously unlikely, and basically i have a strong gut that scum is trying to fuck with everyone's perception of the cop result by mass fakeclaiming.
Which is easy to counter, we factor in the scum in the ''already claimed'' people.
A thing I would like to note is that my cop should trigger on any solo wincon, third party wincon, sk wincon and scum wincon, since its ''all not pro-town intentions''. It is not limited the ITP town wincons serela, and I would like you to not mislead people on that.
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I never mislead people on that. It's just it's the one I always bring up because half the town has ITP wincons, apparently.
Obviously the scum has non-town wincons!
Serela lurk since d1 is suspicious on its own, but then he switched gears to a very active member in d2, which tells the fact that its not his real life schedule doesn't allow it, but that the lurk was deliberate pulled. Work doesn't justify an excuse for that.
I wasn't lurking D1 before the period where I vanished at the end. That's a misrepresentation of my play.
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I wasn't lurking D1 before the period where I vanished at the end. That's a misrepresentation of my play.
Also, people can have work on some days and not be around and then have the next few days completely free. It happens and that's a really bad argument for Serela lurking.
Also: darkninja, don't try to outguess the mod, it never ends well for the players. Half the playerlist being conditional vigs honestly wouldn't surprise me...
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Also: darkninja, don't try to outguess the mod, it never ends well for the players.
This, very very hard. This is definitely a very abnormal setup, to boot, so you shouldn't assume "no that would be too weird".
Players trying to outguess the mod happens on MotK all the time and it almost -always- goes badly for town. Even if they're mostly right, they're wrong enough that it just doesn't work.
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Dan, why do you think Serela is Mafia?
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because I don't believe in 3 vigs, though for me and Conq ours are weaker. By rights you should have one, but you claim you don't. and she's been cagey about her alt-wincon. I don't remember her claiming who she shot last night either.
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if your claim is true then this set-up already has 2 bps, a doc and a jk. what's wrong with 3 vigs again? also, if you don't believe in 3 vigs, why push serela now but ignore sb the entire day if you thought he was vig?
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What? Who I shot last night? Cagey about my alt-wincon? Have you even read my posts on these things?
I get a (one-use) gun AFTER I FULFILL MY CONDITIONAL THINGERMAJIGGERS, and in order to get my ITP win I must SHOOT SOMEONE WHO OPPOSES MY INTENTIONS (...or something, but more or less I have to shoot scum, I asked px and he said townies with altwins don't count
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If you mean I've been cagey about my conditional, yes, it's because my chances of fulfilling it are down the toilet if I do so >_>
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Also, Serela was role-blocked last night, so they couldn't of shot ANYBODY.
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Not that I have anything that can get blocked in the first place! Unless it could block a day-action vig >_>
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I can roleblock during commercial breaks only. I didn't know that there were actions during the day time T___T
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if your claim is true then this set-up already has 2 bps, a doc and a jk. what's wrong with 3 vigs again? also, if you don't believe in 3 vigs, why push serela now but ignore sb the entire day if you thought he was vig?
if SB's a vig, he's town?
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"thought he had a killing action", whoops
the implication being that SB couldn't be a third vig and would be scum with a killing action
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When Will I Escape This Cage?
Song: Aoi Tori (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXq_18N3K2Q)
ActionDan (5) - Serela, I have no name, huhwhat, Zakeri, Polaris
Serela (4) - Darkninjaabc, NekoNekoRex, Sky Paladin, ActionDan
Zakeri (1) - Shadoweh
Not Voting: Conqueror
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With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
ActionDan is at L-1
Serela is at L-2
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also why do you have time to pop up and answer questions, but not make a comprehensive claim
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claim is in QT.
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claim is in QT.
>_>
<_<
This game is not the quicktopic...actually, the more I think about it I may think it's the scum QT guest staring Vhaltz...but that's just crazy, right?
Right?
RIGHT???
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Game is hard. I'm this close to throwing my hands up in the air and washing my hands of this game.
If you can claim in the QT, why not here?
I can already tell the rest of this day is going to revolve around role shenanigans, which annoys me.
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Which idol are you?
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Finally back
Getting tired of Dan, at this point I'd rather lynch him over Serela, his play reminds me of DEFCON Mafia but so much worse. Powerlurking, coasting on towncred, claims up the ass, I should have seen it so much sooner.
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Hell, not even Serela, although his play isn't the best. I was mostly withholding judgment on Dan until he posted again, but his posts aren't really any better then before.
Who replaced Validon? IHNN? I need to check and reread him.
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What did he claim in the QT? That's just obtuse.
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Who replaced Validon? IHNN? I need to check and reread him.
Validon-->Polaris
SB-->HW
CF7-->IHNN
Mitsuki-->Vhaltz
Lots of replacements this game.
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HW reads pretty town to me so far, no real scumvibes here.
I'm actually probably not going to be around for a bit more, I'm going to a Legend of Zelda symphony tomorrow. Although Dan is probably as good as dead anyway unless that QT has something worthwhile.
I'm just not reading any reason Dan would be town.
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My Serela vote wasn't really intended to be a park, I need to update my reads again, although I was still a bit skeptical of Serela (and it's better than an unvote). I'm kind of wondering who's doing the shooting with all these claimed vigs. I really wish Serela would claim her conditional since a bunch of people have asked for it, that's being as obtuse as Dan.
Speaking of claims, Enabled BP, AND needs to be shot twice to win? That's an odd wincon for an admitted ITP, especially since it just falls apart once the Enabler dies. claiming ITP even implies not-townie. :/
not buying it in the slightest.
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Is this setup just vigs and anti-shot powers? That's kind of odd.
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I feel like someone is lying about being able to shoot. Someone has an active killing power, and it's not me. I bet there's a lair or two among these vigclaims. Something to think about, I guess.
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It makes sense if you think about it in context. It's basically a role that needs to be shot and knows the people who are suposed to shoot you. The BP is actually a detriment because it's why he needs to be shot twice to win.
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##Vote: Zakeri
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It makes sense if you think about it in context. It's basically a role that needs to be shot and knows the people who are suposed to shoot you. The BP is actually a detriment because it's why he needs to be shot twice to win.
P sure Dan meant that there's a person who gives Dan BP passively, who he needs to keep alive
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>dan claims in QT
At this rate I'm just going to shoot myself if I ever get my gun.
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if we suddenly reach a climax without enough rising action then that's totally not interesting. we need to up the tension more. preferably with an actual post from dan that talks about things.
Except we have no reason to believe Dan's even going to post, much less talk about thing.
Not that people aren't going to wait out until there's only 5% of the day left despite not having anything much to talk about.
Also, Would I be more scum or less scum if I had completely ignore your posts Polaris? I pointed out that they were weird because they made me more suspicious of you. Particularly I don't like how you defended Shadoweh on basis of absolutely nothing (Not even saying she might be town). Why am I not allowed to point out suspicion?
HW's psycho analysis of me is pretty spot on. It's probably getting more and more transparent, but I just wish it was day 3 so I can start working on making better cases than the ones you're all currently ignoring.
Re: Dan: Holy fuck this game. Sending post now and rereading the whole thing from then to here once more.
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It's hard to tell because of all the replacements, but aren't all the people in the QT voting for Dan...?
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okay, popping up at the last minute with new information that doesn't even fit with anything he said before is bleeding scum intent. He's blatantly playing to a non-town win, to the point that he's admitted it, and everyone believes this to be true ... and we're entertaining it because he can still be town despite this.
I wish I had replaced out before this happened because there's no way PX will find anyone else willing to jump into the game anymore.
I'm fine with waiting until Dan can more properly claim,
cuz I don't want to die by being rushed.
And look who is rushing.
It's you Serela.
You are the one going kill dan kill dan we can do it!
:Blantant lies:
The way this argument Dan presented is going, Serela is pretty much confirmed town.
I get the feeling that the only reason Shadoweh hates this wagon is because I'm on it, I knew she hated me, I'm too ugly :fail:
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I don't even remember who's in the QT.
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Dan, Vhalzuki, SBHW, and Darkie.
Also at this point there are no words >_> I'm back to "can we hammer Dan already?" mode.
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Ah okay. So DarkNinjaAbc is the only not-Dan neighbour who is NOT voting for Dan at the moment.
I'm content to wait and see what Dark's take on Dan's QT comment is. I'll assume if he doesn't like it, he'll just hammer Dan, though.
My vote is still on Serela at the moment. I still think Shadoweh and Conqueror are scums. I'm sure at least one of the neighbours will be, too. It'd be convenient if it was Dan but I'm sure there'll be another twist.
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The only part I got wrong was thinking it was Serela instead of Ninja in the QT Group.
I don't know if I said this before but basically the way this is playing out, my nullscum read of Serela is dropped off and now I'm pretty sure he's town.
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There are three scum within the following:
CF7/IHNN,
Serela,
Shadoweh,
Conq,
Zak,
NNR,
Validon/Polaris.
considering town's power so far, I'm inclined to believe Shadoweh's role.
leaving
Serela
Conq
Zak
NNR
Validon/Polaris
IHNN
The only one of these that I managed to get a town read on from earlier was CF7. I'll strike that off.
Serela
Conq
Zak
NNR
Polaris
there are. 3 scum. in here. Fairly confident in that. I am going to go back and read them all. Now listen well. I am pretty good at finding scum within such a small list, so I'll be going over this today. since I actually have some time. I'd once again like to point out that serela is back to, "please hammer dan!" cuz this time I didn't claim in thread. even though known Confirmed town Vhatlz at least has eyes in the QT. atm I'm giving them time to process the truth.
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I'd once again like to point out that serela is back to, "please hammer dan!" cuz this time I didn't claim in thread.
you also didn't really do anything but claim, and your raid had ended forever ago >_> (Not to mention you hardly even claimed because it's where most of the game can't see it, and we're still waiting on a third party (in the traditional not-mafia sense) to come tell us what it is augh)
Your post here is probably the best thing you've done all game, and it's only a list of 5 people you've PoE'd as the scum!
That being said I guess I'm interested in the followup you're promising.
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I'd once again like to point out that serela is back to, "please hammer dan!" .
Cool. Can you try and push my lynch too? I'd like to hammer you as well right now.
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That being said, no matter what Dan does now it'd be really damn hard to reconcile it with his play up until this point, which is practically confirmed-scum-tier material.
I mean, I know it'd be mean to hammer Dan now that he's actually promising material, but even if he started being the best townie ever I wouldn't be able to stop wanting to lynch that slot >_> And we can't cop him because he's claimed an ITP win so it'd be pointless to try.
This is almost depressing. If Dan's town I feel bad because I want him lynched regardless of what he does at this point. That being said, though, the cases he makes might be useful post-green-flip (if he seriously isn't scum, which I highly doubt) so I guess they're not just a waste of effort.
And, of course, the rest of the town from what I've seen (apart from huhwhat) actually seems pretty possible to sway on Dan's alignment >_> Oh jeez. Maybe I should start preparing a fullclaim post. cut by nnr <3<3<3
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try not to speculate when you don't know my true claim. Which will come out soon enough
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Okaaaay I'll be quiet until one of them shows up.
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I guess the point is I could put vote Dan and then the claim would come out right now.
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Well, yes, but if somehow the claim is something we actually don't want to lynch then it'd be too late >_>
ActionDan -is- at L-1 right now.
...I wouldn't be too mad at you if you hammered, but we should probably at least wait for someone to tell us what the claim is.
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You are kind of relying on one of these:
Darkninja, NekoNekoRex, me, Shadoweh, Conqueror, and technically yourself, not suddenly voting Dan.
You are also relying on Darkninja vouching for you, because the other two still have their vote on you.
So it's a lot of if's, that's all. If it were me, I wouldn't be able to sit still.
But if I was scum in your position, I'd be trying to put a case against one of my other scum buddies so that when I popped red, people would think "Oh so Sky was just trying to lynch (so and so) to save his neck" and make it more likely my buddy was town. Unfortunately your going for Serela who I thought was scum too, so...well...
Personally I don't care what your abilities or itp condition or whatever that kind of thing is. I don't even need you to claim. I'm not pushing for it. I'm just like, your standing on the gallows with a rope around your neck. Are you going to be the one to pull the lever?
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I'm going to try and reread Zak and Polaris but I'm going to leave soon all day for my Koji Kondo concerto so I doubt I'll get anything definitive done before I leave
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Someone could of course due the protown thing and unvote before "itchy fingers" become an excuse to mislynch, as you have so generously just provided that excuse.
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I'd be trying to put a case against one of my other scum buddies so that when I popped red, people would think "Oh so Sky was just trying to lynch (so and so) to save his neck" and make it more likely my buddy was town.
At this point I think it's too late to try to start wagons on people that aren't me or Dan (We already have 2 big wagons for the day and the fan meter is probably actually getting fairly low now) so trying to bus a buddy probably wouldn't really do anything.
Now, if one of his buddies was actually a viable lynch, and he started helping that wagon go up and fighting for it to go through, -then- it'd do something. Buuut me being a thing has nothing to do with Dan (even if he's tried to argue I'm scum I'm pretty sure it's had 0 effect on my wagon building up) and I wouldn't consider anyone else viable.
Also, yeah, I guess I should do that >_> ##Unvote
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At this point I think it's too late to try to start wagons on people that aren't me or Dan
we have time.
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##Unvote
3 pages in but I want to lynch another person than Serela.
Continuing.
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I might be overestimating how low the fan gauge is
actually I probably am
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Considering how the Fangauge seems to work, we probably have two more days before we have to actually consolidate for lynches.
I'm fine with waiting for Dan to actually post something worth reading - We've been doing that for the past four+ days anyways, and we have all the time in the world.
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Currently reading.
Posts about them might take a while though since first I'll be sorting things out in my head and personal QT.
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Cast a Spell On Me!
Song: Mahou wo Kakete (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6LUvWcSX3A)
ActionDan (4) - I have no name, huhwhat, Zakeri, Polaris
Serela (4) - Darkninjaabc, NekoNekoRex, Sky Paladin, ActionDan
Zakeri (1) - Shadoweh
Not Voting: Conqueror, Serela
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With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
ActionDan is at L-2
Serela is at L-2
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SO I WASN'T OVERESTIMATING THE FANGUAGE GUYS
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VHALTZ OH MY GOD JUST TELL US DAN'S CLAIM ;_;
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My claim is back up vig. once HW = Azusa + Vhaltz/Mitsuki = Iori have fallen, I get Azusa's scythe. Actually it says Azuscythe's scythe with the ability name being Azuscythe.
I have no alt-wincon to speak of.
And I'm not BP.
That's it!
Not sure if this will happen but I strongly strongly suspect Validon for scum based off of a few pages. Zak is 2nd.
If only because they display the easiest don't-step-on-toes opinions.
##Vote: Polaris
now people may deadline panic. I still have a good 25 pages to read, but I don't see how Validon is not one of the scum from first few posts. Also Conq has good posts during the first few pages, case against Rai is valid, intent less easy to measure. Serela isn't that scummy there either, at least by tone. NNR more of non-presence. Zak also but the little he said I didn't like.
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I'll be back in a bit after I finish cleaning and buying supplies.
Will probably have to do every 5 pages commentary
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Shouldn't have said anything, I'm pretty sure PX just did that on purpose :wat:
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A quick glance tells me I like the wagon on Serela a lot better than the wagon on Dan.
Dan isn't pushing Serela anymore to save face and that's a thing too.
I'll go ISO Dan and then Serela for the millionth time, hopefully I have time to do at least that before deadline.
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Wait. Dan said he doublechecked his own PM after Mitsuki claimed scum in the QT because he was confused.
How can you be confused about being town if you're a backup vig? Can you explain this Dan?
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Look, Dan just claimed no alt wincon, we can just have Dan get copped.
I will punch PX in the face postgame if the cop is so weak that the scum have an immunity to it along with all the false positives from town, so I'm pretty fine clearing Dan as town if that actually occurs.
I don't know why the fuck I'm saying it might be okay to not lynch Dan today, especially with the next up lynch BEING FUCKING MYSELF, but I am!
WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO WAGON SOMEONE ELSE THOUGH
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Darkie if you want to lynch Dan so you don't have to cop him tonight (that is so not optional if we don't lynch him) then okay because we can't force you to do things you don't want to and Dan is not living without being copped >_>
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Also, people sitting on me without seriously wanting my lynch (HI NNR THIS APPLIES TO YOU LAST I KNEW) should probably get off now because I'm seeing my lynch become a possible thing that could happen!
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Look, Dan just claimed no alt wincon, we can just have Dan get copped.
That actually makes sense Serela, what is wrong with you this game?
This is actually a very freaking good plan because if Dark dies tonight one scum dies along with him. And we get to keep the jailor to fuck with scum.
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Does that mean we start the Shadoweh bus?
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as I recall CF7 was at L-2 and claimed without being prompted to. CF7 seemed super eager to lie about his role and pretend to be vanilla town, in any case. Honestly I don't see why town wouldn't want to mention a everyone-gets-nighttalk role, since town can't use it if they don't know about it. That combined with the fact that the mod's tacit approval of nighttalk makes me paranoid that a role like that should have some sort of consequence.
Can you explain just what you were thinking about here Polly?
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I'll talk about who we should -actually- lynch in a minute, a bit busy >_>
Also oh yeah they can't nk dark, that's pretty awesome. I'unno what you're saying about keeping the jailor though, killing the obvtown jailer is imo higher priority then killing a confirmed town >_> Granted Dan's a backup vig, but HW's not about to die either.
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Yeah I don't think I want Serela lynched anymore.
Not only because of being the counterwagon to the person he's defending but also because as scum there is nothing to gain from this action. They would be effectively diverting the cop away from themselves for one night, sure, but they'd also be clearing a townie that they could otherwise mislynch right now given the wagon and huge lynch intent. This is specially telling when the cop is a watered down variety that gets false positives on ITP conditions, which means they could just bullshit one up upon being copped.
Oh man last minute wagon switches are so fun.
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That speculation is from PoV of Serela!Scum.
The only way the plan would ever give something useful for scum is if both Serela and Dan are scum together and they are just trying to let Dan live for one more night. This option is retardedly unlikely because of their interactions so far.
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This option is retardedly unlikely because of their interactions so far.
Uh, it'd be cool if somebody double-checked this though, just in case I'm being the retarded one.
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I'm the best at becoming obvtown as town. :D
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If you say so~
## Unvote Serela
I'll be going to bed in the next half hour or so. If you need me to vote somewhere, let me know.
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Without comprehensively rereading, CF7's slot (IHNN) is the one I'd be most okay with lynching, followed up by Validon's (Polly) although I'd rather reread that slot before actually voting onto such a wagon.
Oh. I should mention I'm only gonna be around about 2 more hours, then work. Day is likely to end by the time I'm back from work, so.
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It'd probably be cool if you could quickly check whom you prefer lynched that's in the following pool:
I Have No Name
Polaris-sama-san-chan
Conq
Maybe NNR too if you really want to and have a case on him that you're very sold on but I wouldn't lynch Prims or Shadoweh yet.
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Like at this point you're as much of a confirmed townie as I am Paladin, so try to gather your own conclusions with the time you have just in case I'm the one screwing everything up.
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hmm well, my feeling is Serela, Shadoweh, Conqueror and Dan. So the only one that matches your list is Conq.
##Vote Conqueror
This is about the fourth time I've switched my vote this phase. So annoying.
I'm going to sleep now, so unless the phase blows out another eight hours, that'll be it from me. Good luck :)
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i'unno why vhaltz actually thinks enough people would want to vote conq, he's a common townread in this game
And, SkyPaladin, considering your vote switches are mostly with little to no effort on your part... >_>; Thank goodness you're obvtown for other reasons already.
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I skimmed through several of Conq's posts trying to be a little more impartial and while the previous case on him in my mind may have been a little disproportionate, I still found one particular post that points towards Conq!scum.
I want Hw to check the post before I make it public though because I just noticed Conq's meltdown post I had somehow missed before and if Conq is town then I've already put him through a lot of shit this game :V
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I'm not going to have the time to post until tonight or so, sorry.
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offhand I definitely don't want to lynch NNR/Serela and am okay with Polly as an alternative to Dan, but am not fully confident in Dan yet. I'll re-read shit when I'm available
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##Vote IHNN
So I wasted the time I should have spent looking over posts >_> <_< Anyway, I'll be back in about 7 hours from now. The day might not be over by then... but don't lollygag around >_> Anyone who looks at the thread needs to consolidate with the consideration that BOTH THE CURRENT WAGONS ARE NOT APPROVED OF ANYMORE
ActionDan is getting copped and the scum can't kill the cop or else they lose the person who preforms the kill, and even Vhaltz went "nope serela is town" because I started suicidally defending my counterwagon.
If you have to, then just go ahead and lynch Dan, but deadline isn't (shouldn't be?) so close that we can't land a lynch on one of the other generally disapproved slots. Just keep in mind deadline is right there and you have to vote on a lynch you actually think enough people will agree with (aka this is no time for arguing "hey guys HW would be a great lynch!" because lol no)
worst comes to worst Conq's vig can fix up a no lynch but let's try not to let that be needed because we -don't- know what scum has to potentially screw that up
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##Unvote ##Vote Polly
sorry I'm having undecisiveness but yeah I gtg
hopefully the day will still be going when I get back but we'll see
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##Unvote ##Vote IHNN
URGH
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yes. yes that's right. definitely ihnn.
REREAD AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELF IF YOU THINK HE'S TOWN OR NOT BYE
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serela ur so silly
##Unvote
##Vote IHNN
re: cf7/ihnn rolespec that vhaltz asked about: The role seems way too straightforward without any kind of side effect, so I was thinking maybe the role came with a secondary ability that could be used on anyone that spoke at night. like a rolecop that could only be used on night talkers. <----pointless role speculation
The point is that the role is not enough to clear the slot, so just sort of ignore what the role is when you look over him.
also I don't know why I thought huh what was always right, because he is obviously wrong when he thinks that I am a good lynch target >_> So I'm going to keep tabs on Zakeri anyway.
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Particularly I don't like how you defended Shadoweh on basis of absolutely nothing (Not even saying she might be town). Why am I not allowed to point out suspicion?
I was just properly explaining my choice to ignore Shadoweh on my plans for reading the game in the post before that, since undoubtedly you would have been on my case about that if I hadn't done so. But it seems like you skipped over that post and went straight for "omg totally defending shadoweh for no reason" so I guess I shouldn't have said anything >_>
also,
I didn't immediately clear her as town because Shadoweh but technically she's on my skimmed town reads I suppose.
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Waking up at 4 PM to trying to be quickwagoned at the end of the day is
fun not how I wanted to spend the day.
I still don't like letting Dan live but it's a good idea and gives a lot of information (but the plan with my conspiracy theory works waaaaayyy too well in scum's favor because then the cop result is fake and so Dan would get fake cleared aahhhhhhh)
Still, if we're letting him live today ##Unvote
##Vote:Shadoweh because it's my strongest scumread that's not ActionDan.
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I did some reading into Dan's flavor and I guess it's not something you can just pull up randomly, which lends credence to...... the flavor part of his role, at least. I don't necessarily agree with follow-the-cop strategy but I guess there aren't really any downsides. Besides I did have that gut feeling about Dan not being scum earlier, so ?_? mafia too hard
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Though both votes on me are really weak, Serela gave a paragraph but nothing on why voting me and Polaris suspected but I still don't see -reasoning- anywhere other than "the role is too ordinary" which is really a terrible reason and honestly reminds me of Ten Desires Mafia, with being lynched for claiming Youmu as Vanilla (Half Human, Half Ghost and Half Baked) due to the food reference being similar to the previous game...yeah.
I did some reading into Dan's flavor and I guess it's not something you can just pull up randomly, which lends credence to...... the flavor part of his role, at least.
and PX will make a fakeclaim for anyone so the fact that flavor wasn't given until now...OH GOD STOP POINTING THINGS OUT THAT LEND CREDENCE TO DARKNINJA/ACTIONDAN/HUH WHAT SCUM :qq:
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it's almost like i didn't make a post on why cf7 was scummy
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it's almost like i didn't make a post on why cf7 was scummy
That reasoning for the slot, not me specifically. Really, I don't know how I can defend against things that, well, I didn't do.
Regardless Serela's vote on me is bad.
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I'm apparently a good lynch target because of what Validon did `_`
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It's still weird and feels...wrong...to go after someone for things someone did essentially for them. I get that it's valid but voting -exclusively- off what CF7 did... idk that's kind of just opportunistic to me. You get free jabs at a slot without the slot being able to defend.
Honestly I'd only use previous slot actions to supplement a case on someone.
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actually i think deadline is already passed so uhh
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dan is a lamer and i bet he hasn't even realclaimed yet
ill look at this when i get home later
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Don't think deadline has passed yet.
At this point I don't really mind which of IHNN/Polly gets lynched
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I'd rather not make a split decision right now when I have to reread. And anyway the deadline might as well be passed given how many votes we're going to need!
Submit to my power, nubs. B)
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*have yet to
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So we're not lynching Dan because he lied about not being one of fifteen millers put into the setup. And also because we don't want to risk lynching scum before day 3.
And also we're lynching Nameless because whoops we changed our mind about letting CF7 live through day one, sorry (And also not because Nameless is scum).
I was just properly explaining my choice to ignore Shadoweh on my plans for reading the game in the post before that, since undoubtedly you would have been on my case about that if I hadn't done so. But it seems like you skipped over that post and went straight for "omg totally defending shadoweh for no reason" so I guess I shouldn't have said anything >_>
Oh, you did say you thought she was town.
I had the read that post three times to see where the part you quoted was, and I accidentally read the post before it five times before giving up and double checking which post you were linking to.
I'm apparently a good lynch target because of what Validon did `_`
I don't think anyone has ever brought up Validon since you replaced in. I know I have plenty of reasons for you being scum outside of anything he's done.
Given Vhaltzo's shortlist, Polaris is my top pick. I've been cleared up on the Misrep that he actually did say shadoweh was town, but I'm still very suspicious that he's holding CF7's actions over him. I feel like since replacing in, Nameless has been acting with a town mindset, so holding a previous players scumactions over a town current player when he knows they can't be defended for is a pretty transparent ploy to dig up a mislynch.
##Unvote
##Vote: Polaris
Cut: It's Fanmeter based, Deadline can't have passed unless the mod says so in thread.
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=_= Why are we doing this
The deadline meter is going super fast because the thread isn't as busy as Day 2 you derps.
##Vote: Polaris I have no idea what we're at but the next votecount will probably say DAY OVER
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ReISOed Polaris and I'm satisfied with my reasoning.
Basically he's said absolutely nothing on Nameless, just a case on CF7 as well as an attempt to substitute role speculation for content regarding the case on him. There's nothing to even suggest he's done a full read of Nameless without using CF7's post as backup.
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an attempt to substitute role speculation for content regarding the case on him.
excuse u this is totally false
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excuse u this is totally false
as I recall CF7 was at L-2 and claimed without being prompted to. CF7 seemed super eager to lie about his role and pretend to be vanilla town, in any case. Honestly I don't see why town wouldn't want to mention a everyone-gets-nighttalk role, since town can't use it if they don't know about it. That combined with the fact that the mod's tacit approval of nighttalk makes me paranoid that a role like that should have some sort of consequence.
=Polaris]re: cf7/ihnn rolespec that vhaltz asked about: The role seems way too straightforward without any kind of side effect, so I was thinking maybe the role came with a secondary ability that could be used on anyone that spoke at night. like a Roleclop that could only be used on night talkers. <----pointless role speculation
The point is that the role is not enough to clear the slot, so just sort of ignore what the role is when you look over him.
Granted the full extent is that you're just being dismissal of it, but in the end all it is is trying to fit the evidence into the conclusion.
while we're at it:
I don't think anyone has ever brought up Validon since you replaced in.
If you seriously want to use this to push why Cf7's actions damn Nameless without actually having a reason to be suspicious of nameless himself, you could at least attempt to point out an instant where Validon's actions were being pushed against you.
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Not sure if this will happen but I strongly strongly suspect Validon for scum based off of a few pages.
Without comprehensively rereading, CF7's slot (IHNN) is the one I'd be most okay with lynching, followed up by Validon's (Polly) although I'd rather reread that slot before actually voting onto such a wagon.
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One of those is scum and the other is Serela-ish.
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I don't like Validon's slot. In #221, Shadoweh had one reaction to Raikaria's claim, and it was an attempt to draw further information out of him. Contrast this with Conq, who was hardpushing Raikaria as being obvscum in light of the claim. Why would Validon gun for Shadoweh over Conq unless he was scared he couldn't get Conq lynched, but still wanted to whiteknight the doomed townie? I don't normally buy into "if I were scum" as scumtell but this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15735.msg1033863.html#msg1033863) makes it look like he just defend Raikaria because he expected towncred from it.
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like literally the only reason I can think of for being magically on Vhaltz's list of lynchable people is because of Validon's stuff, because no one except you has even bothered to look at me.
If you want my honest opinion, IHNN himself is really kind of null since all his opinions seem hackneyed and boring. He could be town who just happens to not have any interesting opinions or he could be scum trying to say all the "right" things so he doesn't stand out. basically w/e
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Now that I've actually looked at the wagon, I'm totally getting cold feet.
##Unvote
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It starts with Dan, because of Validon (which I've rules scum and dumb reasoning), Then Serela being indecisive (And not even landing on Polly), then Shadoweh just hopping onto the latest wagon.
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BECAUSE WE NEED TO LYNCH NOW OR NOT AT ALL YOU IDIOT.
I hope everyone whose not trying to lynch and suspects Conq realizes you're going towards letting him get his no-lynch this way. I would rather not in case he leaves the game afterwards like 2 of the itp roles have so far.
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I'm Running Out of Songs ;_;
Song: Precog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9kiC5jJy5Y)
ActionDan (1) - huhwhat
Serela (2) - Darkninjaabc, NekoNekoRex
Polaris (2) - ActionDan, Shadoweh
I Have No Name (2) - Serela, Polaris
Shadoweh (1) - I have no name
Conquereor (1) - Sky Paladin
No Lynch (1) - Conquereor
Not Voting: Zakeri
||(4%)
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
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Uhh, you got a point. I don't even know if I have enough time to reread anyone else.
##Vote: Polaris
My read on Conq is outdated, but I know I don't like his pushing for a no lynch as part of his win condition.
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Shadoweh has no chance of being lynched today, and I agree more with the Polaris wagon than the Serela wagon due to the awkward push on myself for what CF7 did.
##Unvote
##Vote: Polaris [L-2]
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^ obvscum because he forgot about wanting to be town buddies with me
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^Obvscum for taking into consideration that we need to consolidate NOW and that reads can change
I mean seriously.
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The only reason your read could've possibly changed is that I became a viable wagon, and that's a really flimsy reason to leap from 'omg town forever!' to 'NEEDS LYNCH NOW', which really makes your initial read of me being town dubious, so perhaps you were only saying that to get me off your case for scum self-preservation purposes, and now since TENSION+++ you're switching right around and attacking me
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Or maybe we have 4 options:
lynch me (-2 town because NK), bad
lynch Serela (probably the same result as lynching me)
lynch you (probably the same as Serela but slightly more likely to hit scum)
no lynch (Conq powers up which is...umm......I don't actually know if this is a bad idea!)
Either way: Zakeri's reasons for voting you were well reasoned, I'm sheeping that+I think of the viable end of day wagons you're most likely to flip scum.
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So you don't really think I'm scum and you're just doing this because you have to.
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I don't know what to think at this point. At this point though the expected value of any outcome is pretty low, but from my perspective with regard to probability voting you has the likely best outcome.
But honestly this game is confusing me so much and I don't like that we're letting Dan live because of my *conspiracy theory* that the QT crew is the scumteam featuring Vhaltz.
because it makes too much sense
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Which idol are you?
seconding this question directed at dan since i'm curious
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by the way that's not related to my read of dan in the slightest
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ami.
what about you?
and also maybe claim
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I normally don't announce this but It's bedtime for me so my vote is most likely locked in for the day.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Polaris
here on train internet, not risking nl and polly is probably scum anyway
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that's l-1 btw
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it's been almost 50 minutes with no claim and we're at 4%. id just hammer at this point because no other lynch can happen
if px cuts hammer with a NL then i'm subbing out by the way
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##unvote
##Vote Polaris
I don't have a read at all :/
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Hammer
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Song: Hana (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqiBZRTMvLg)
She went unnoticed in the background. The one person who has been supporting them from the shadows the entire time was content with it. However, over time, she just faded away. Nobody noticed her. She slowly began to sink further away, until finally she sank to the bottom of the ocean.
Welcome Polaris to The iDOLM@STER Mafia! You are Kotori Otonoshi, the Retired Idol. You are a former idol employed under 765 Productions.
Abilities:
Supporting Role - "Please cheer for idols from 765 Productions!" You're done with being an idol. Instead, you want to help others spread happiness to others. So to that end, you're willing to take the heavy load from all the idols. During commercial breaks, you can take all the paperwork from an idol, receiving anything they would receive.
Former Idol - You're the oldest character in the game. Have fun being old.
You win when all opposing factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.
You can post and vote in the thread during episodes while alive. Confirm by posting in thread.
THREAD IS NOW LOCKED, NEW THREAD SOON
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Thread left unlocked for easier quoting. Enjoy.