And now, a giant wall by Vhaltz
"PX already commented on some of the stuff here, but it might have lost some of its sense upon taking it out of context since it was scattered all around the QT.
Hello there, peoples! I'm the monkey inside PX's head that spends all day telling him to post but then falls asleep before he does so, we tend to have different opinions anyway, so that's why I'm here to actually get some stuff out here.
Aside from nagging at him so that he posts in mafia, I'm also responsible for telling him to shoot the Dorian, he never stated why exactly he agreed to it, but neither did Serela or Capt h, really, so I'll just say why I thought it was a good idea even though a D1 case seems extremely outdated and bad right now.
Case on DorianHis response to the miller claims stood out a lot. It felt greatly exaggerated when we had all signed up to this game knowing we'd find some really frickin' weird setup, and it seemed like the kind of fabricated reaction scum would use to look townie. While this wasn't really too solid a read when it came to lynching him D1, I was really set on it because we had little else to go on from the D1 content, and the only other scumread I really had was IHNN, and I'll get to why we didn't shoot him instead in a second.
I hadn't been around for most of D1, and had barely been trying to help in what I could with the little time I had, so I didn't notice something important until D1 had already ended and I came back from my exam. This thing by Dorian.
PX, I think that I know what you aimed at with your first vote and I don't see a problem with your words but that's may be because you are quite economical with them. Keep in mind that we are supposed to be a squad so a few more words to your comrades would be in every way preferable.
I asked PX in our QT whether he had actually had some sort of strategy behind his initial Neko vote, and there was none. So yeah, he had basically lied just to fluff his post up and look townie. Not liking the RP that subtly seemed to imply "Hey look at me! I'm part of the townie group!" didn't help either.
Finding Dan flipping red made the whole awkward fabricated-looking ragey reaction fit with the idea of Dan!Dorian scumteam, and his RP was inconsistent and he dropped it for no reason, too, but I didn't really notice those until after the PM was already sent so w/e.
That's not that big of a deal, why not IHNN instead?His ED1 absolute urge to hammer not-me-over-me without waiting for Dan to claim or claiming himself was extremely scummy, so scummy that I had trouble believing that scum would have the guts to do that, because they'd get turbolynched D2. I suspected he had some important investigative power role that he didn't want to out before he got an action N1, and reading him through again while under that line of thought I found this.
ActionDan's wall, in light of his recent post feels like fluff throwing suspicion off him after the (likely?) inevitable N1 actions that will be taken.
Which was enough to convince me to shoot Dorian instead. Plus he had been the counterwagon to scum, so yeah.
For a while I considered that he might've been another alignment-switching role like Dan, but PX said even this setup wouldn't be that terrible, so I pushed letting IHNN live through N1 and force him to claim right away in D2 to see if he actually had the sort of power role I was suspecting he had.
And they agreed and we shot him and he flipped scum, so it was awesome until the whole pseudo-LyLo role implications thing started giving me a headache.
So what now?It was so unlikely that we'd get this many scum flips after N1, we figured we can't even ensure this isn't some sort of weird "town flips red and scum flips green".
According to IHNN's role, there might be an arsonist around, one that can prime targets and set them on fire, and when thinking about that, there's the slight problem that some Mods may allow to set on fire during the day, which would explain why, having primed a target N1 and priming another N2, he could get a multikill that could result in town loss if we shot tonight and missed, and would explain that it's pseudo-LyLo right now and not pseudo-MyLo.
The issue is that I don't think Neko is scum, and seeing a role-that-indicates-that-other-role-might-be-in-game-but-actually-isn't being claimed by IHNN when knowing that the last game he played around here was Shadoweh's, I don't quite buy his fireproof claim. I thought Omba's was the same level of bad, but apparently Conq and Dormio are capable of that short of thing so *shrug*
So role shenanigans aside, because I suck at those and have demonstrated such way too much in the QT already, IHNN is definitely the scummiest. I was the one who noted what Serela said about him being in a rush meaning no time for fakeclaim and therefore hammer, and things have only gotten worse since then. Specially in his last post.
Case on IHNNThings have changed from my N1 view on him. My initial reason for clearing him was the excessively scummy Dan hammer, resulting in Dan flipping red, but as of right now, it doesn't say much when we don't have full flips at all. He seemed to emphazise survival a lot when hammering, which makes sense for a third party, and he could've fakeclaimed fireproof being the arsonist to live onto the next day. Well, that doesn't matter much, what matters is that if we assume he's third party, all he'd care about is not getting lynched, and it fits with his recent behaviour:
- Absolute lack of stances until halfway into D2, and invoking LAL.
- Proceeding to vote for Neko for claiming mafioso. I wouldn't normally have an issue with this if a townie was so darn lost that they'd have nothing to go on at all, but the way he fluffs it up is terrible, take a good look at it.
Taking everything into account... ##Vote: Neko Claiming any sort of Mafioso worries me, you were *barely* lead suspect before the popcorn claiming and I think leaving the vig combo alive another day is the best move. I am willing to switch to PX though despite this.
It contradicts the fact that he -had- no scumreads earlier, implying he actually thought Neko was scummy earlier and proceeding to give absolutely no reasons as to why. Not only this, but his second pick is his first pick's top scumread.
"Hey, I want you dead because you're scum, but in case that doesn't work let me vote for this other guy who is your top scumread
in LyLo"
Things don't add up there, and it just seems like IHNN caring about nothing other than survival, which is third party as fuck, consistent with the rest of his play so far, and is what we suspect we're looking for.
IHNN cut because PX/Serela took too long to post this for me.
I was wondering how I had missed them, but it turns out that the only reasons you gave to dislike Neko were "contributing little" and "active lurking", which add up to pretty much a single reason, which is the same that you have against PX. The only thing seemingly tilting you towards a Neko vote is his claim... which is still the same as it was in D1 except for added flavor.
I also think it's horribly unlikely that there's two balanced scum teams when one of them had a frickin' necromancer and god knows what else Dorian was, so I don't believe he'd be bussing.
Either way, we have triple the amount of posts than the thread in our QT, so we're pretty darn sure we don't find each other scum. I personally believe Neko is town: His claiming seemed genuine, he seemed helpful towards resolving issues with Dan, he started the scum lynch wagon, he waffled terribly over the PX being a neighbour issue like Serela pointed out, and in D1 he kept multiple posting, which is something I don't think he would do as scum here, because he found playing around here to be a challenge last game, and he would've tried harder to be consistent as scum, organizing all his thoughts before posting instead of doing it as he posted.
So that only leaves Omba and IHNN. We're wrecking our heads enough over whom to lynch and whom to shoot, because ITP's usually have at least one bulletproof charge to ensure that they don't get a really unlucky loss, so I can only rely on traditional casing here, and I can't really find anything I disagree with in Omba's posts, except perhaps that part where he clarified that question of IHNN's regarding the quickhammer, but Serela has a different opinion regarding that. We seem to agree that IHNN is scummiest here, and man, I'm pretty sure that as town you would've tried a lot harder te produce a case that didn't amount to LAL."
