Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: Conqueror on June 05, 2012, 12:22:19 AM
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In 1942, the British came up with the brilliant idea to make aircraft carriers out of ice. They would be unsinkable, insulated, resistant to explosives, easily repairable, and cheap to boot! Unfortunately, cost and time overruns invalidated any potential benefits, and by 1943 the sole prototype had been left to melt in Canada, which it would over the course of three summers.
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Shuffling on this mortal coil:
1) I have no name
2) Serela (feat. capt. h)
3) Omba
4) NekoNekoRex
6) PX (feat. Vhaltz)
Got their wings:
Clarence Odbody, ascended Night 0
Red Bull, shot Night 0
Buffalo, New York, fried Night 0
5) ActionDan - Lost on time Day 1
7) Dorian G. - Defaced Night 1
Useful links:
End of Day 1 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12789.msg840457.html#msg840457)
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All role pms have been sent! Game will start when enough people have confirmed.
5/7
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Role Get
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oh wait I'm supposed to use a slash.
Too used to SRL I guess.
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Just a friendly reminder to CC PMs to Conq to myself if possible. Cheers.
<Conqueror> OP updated with this important reminder!
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Look at my horse
My horse is amazing
Give it a lick
It taste just like raisins
Have a stroke of its mane
It turns into a plane
And then it turns back again
When you tug on its winker
Ooh that's dirty
Do you think so
Well I better not show
You where the lemonade is made
Sweet lemonade
Hmm sweet lemonade
Sweet lemonade
Yeah sweet lemonade
*Keyboard solo*
Get on my horse
I'll take you around the universe
and all the other places too
I think you'll find the universe
pretty much covers everything
Shut up woman get on my horse
Uhhh, /confirm?
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Confirmed!
PX graduated in Monkey-On-Back class to being the back instead of the money, so I have capt.h now :smug:
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Hi, in case of mafia emergency please break the glass and /confirm.
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/confirm
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Confirm and reporting for duty.
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Best number of confirmations? Best time to start.
I have no name (0):
Serela (0):
Omba (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
ActionDan (0):
PX (feat. Vhaltz) (0):
Dorian G. (0):
Not Voting: Everyone else
With 7 in play, it takes 4 to lynch.
Go forth and show everyone that you are the best at mafia.
You have 72 hours to talk amongst yourselves and decide on a lynch. (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&day=08&month=06&year=2012&hour=22&min=15&sec=00&p0=240)
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First jokevotes are best jokevotes
##vote: Dorian G.
for being a G
my sense of humor is very bad today
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##Vote: Serela because emoticons pre-game imply information.
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##Vote: Omba
I have no idea what that in you signature is but it looks suspiciously heretic.
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I'm a Miller. Possibly also of the death variety if the role implications are what they seem.
Anyway now that that is thrown out there, ##Vote: Action Dan
Obviously a man of action would be quicker to post
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I think the title is in need of editing...
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##Vote NekoNekoRex
Totally voting the claimed miller.
Dorian: Sure it is, if you count nurses and text you can't read as heretic. :V
More seriously, about Neko's claim. I think we should handle it the same as a normal miller claim (i.e. not lynch him for it on D1).
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So you want to tell me that those hypnotic colors are not meant to confuse ones mind making it accessible for the influence chaos? Tell that to the inquisition, cause you wouldn't fool me with it heretic.
On the more important topic, the miller claim is null. The possibility that it could be a death miller worries me a bit but that's because I've to wonder what else this setup has to offer.^^;;
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##Vote NekoNekoRex
Not for miller claim, just cuz
Also hi Serela
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I'd have RVS-voted Px for that awful 3-year outdated song but this is important:
I'm a Miller. Possibly also of the death variety if the role implications are what they seem.
I would like you to expand on this just a bit. I'll give a fuller explaination as to why after the answer. is this listed passively? (I am being vague on purpose).
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Best Idea? Best Votecount.
I have no name (0):
Serela (1): I have no name
Omba (1): Dorian. G
NekoNekoRex (2): Omba, PX
ActionDan (1): NekoNekoRex
PX (feat. Vhaltz) (0):
Dorian G. (1): Serela
Not Voting: ActionDan
With 7 people alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
You have 61 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&day=08&month=06&year=2012&hour=22&min=15&sec=00&p0=240)
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I would like you to expand on this just a bit. I'll give a fuller explaination as to why after the answer. is this listed passively? (I am being vague on purpose).
If by "Passive" you mean "I can't do anything about it" then yes. How would you like me to expand? With flavor? Are you asking me to claim further?
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Pretty much yes. I'll phrase it another way. Is it (miller status [possibly including death miller]) implicit from flavor only or more than that (and you don't have to go further than this to fully satisfy me)
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The Miller status is part of my role, the Death Miller status is implied through flavor, I believe
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Well, um, this is starting pretty slow. Maybe it's because we only have like half as many players as a game usually has.
Out of the three people viable for me to vote that already have a vote on them (Aka not people at 0, myself, or my current vote), I don't PARTICULARLY think Neko is scum nor do I really think Dan is either... at the moment, but that could go anywhere (I mean we're pretty much at RVS still, so. Looking forward to what Dan has to say now that he's gotten his answers, for that matter.) so that leaves Omba, who went "Okay let's vote the claimed miller!" so I guess I'm pretty okay with my new vote considering the current state of the game.
##unvote ##Vote Omba
It was sort of tempting to L-1 Neko just for shits and giggles, but, uh, no.
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The logic behind my vote is that we're at RVS and making almost-a-jokevote on someone currently at 0 isn't as likely to help move anything along as trying to make wagons, but l-1ing Neko just for the sake of doing it is probably also useless nor do I really want him at l-1.
I'm really tired, I'm going to bed. See you all tomorrow!
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ActionDan, what exactly are you searching for there?
And Serela, how does voting someone for the stated reason of "hey, we need a wagon" achieve anything? If you haven't noticed, that vote was an RVS one, as you can see a few lines below where I state I don't want him policy lynched.
Also, why do you think making a wagon grow would be more helpful than voting someone who has zero votes at this point?
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ohgodit's2amwhyamInotasleep
well
if someone could actually make a good reason to vote them there'd be that, but, I mean, there's not really anything going on yet. Honesty, I wouldn't have posted due to lack of anything happened yet, but I was -planning- on going to bed directly after (WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT) and by the time I woke up it would have been prod time for me, so I decided to bunker in and try to get something out.
Even if you say "I don't want them lynched", you did vote for them, so, *Shrug*
The most interesting thing so far is ActionDan's amusing questioning, but he hasn't explained it yet, so.
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I'm only really doing this so that you can have an update on the amount of time remaining votecount.
I have no name (0):
Serela (1): I have no name
Omba (2): Dorian. G, Serela
NekoNekoRex (2): Omba, PX
ActionDan (1): NekoNekoRex
PX (feat. Vhaltz) (0):
Dorian G. (0):
Not Voting: ActionDan
With 7 people alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
You have 52.5 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&day=08&month=06&year=2012&hour=22&min=15&sec=00&p0=240)
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The Miller status is part of my role, the Death Miller status is implied through flavor, I believe
Ok. correct me if I'm wrong, but you are saying that "miller" is included somewhere in your role name (e.g NightKill-immune miller vig) + it's listed as an ability but the death miller part is in not explicit but lies somewhere in the flavor? This is what I'm assuming for now.
Alright I've been wondering if Dormio was bastard enough to include two millers ("two millers?!? but there is only one claimed miller!" teehee) in this set-up. I think it's possible, considering his love-affair with millers in the last few games. also pretty sure Conq would allow it.
ANYWAY. Yes it's true! I'm a miller also. Not just a miller, but a Super miller. Let me explain the bastardlyness. Any concievable investigation will be "unfavorable." Conq said apparently it's the equivlent of the passive part of Yuno's role from sword girls. What I think this means (mod didn't confirm or deny more than what's in my role pm) is that firstly, I'll show up as anti-town to cop investigations (possibly like a not innocent or simply a scum result, or maybe even 3rd party) , rolecop results I bet are bound to be screwed up (not sure how), if someone dies in the night, any watchers watching them and any trackers tracking me with show me visiting the dead person. Also I'm betting that if anything else can incriminate me, it will. Ironically, the only milleresque thing I may not be is a death miller (It isn't mentioned in any way, and I didn't ask about it yet).
When I saw Neko first claim miller I thought it was very possible that it was a fake-claim. FTR, "Super miller" is not in my role name but in my flavor. It is also not listed in my abilities (if I have any). I am not really coming to any strong conclusions here other than I think I should feel better if you were magically transported out of the game.
Um. as for the four other people who have posted I am good with Serela for this line with the back and forth with Omba: (even though it's more nuanced than that, see below)
Even if you say "I don't want them lynched", you did vote for them, so, *Shrug*
and am ok with Px's rvs vote (not that I think it was a particularly good vote, just that it was 'in the moment')
Omba may I ask how RVS voting the person you wouldn't lynch for the miller claim D1 advances the game for you? (gonna pre-empt this a bit by saying I reconize the difference between "not wanting them lynched" and "not wanting them lynched for the miller claim alone")
On the more important topic, the miller claim is null. The possibility that it could be a death miller worries me a bit but that's because I've to wonder what else this setup has to offer.^^;;
I don't get where this worry comes from for the reason you stated (i.e. "I wonder what else there is") from a town perspective. Can you explain what was going through your mind?
##Vote Dorian
*obligatory lurker prod on IHNN*
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I have no name has been prodded.
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So we have two miller now? For the love of the immortal God-Emperor, are you kidding me? I have to consider it for a while but I have a hard time to believe that there are two millers in one setup, even when said setup is a bastard child of Conq and Dormio. Therefore I found it way more likely that one of you lied about the claim.
And to answer you question, yes, that worry came less from a town perspective and more from the general perspective of player who isn't too fund of surprises, sue me.
However, I spend a good while looking over your post and I still can't find anything conclusive. You bring up the possibility of two millers just to ignore it completely. Your opinion about the others say nothing at all and you vote me for wondering ?what else there is??. Tell me how is that scummy?
It's not that we have that much to work with but this is nothing but town colored fluff and noise and therefore ...
##unvote
##Vote: ActionDan
Oh dear, that took me forever ... um I mean, for the Emperor!
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Sorry for not having been around, yesterday was pretty busy and today isn't much better. It all came up suddenly though so after today I should have more time for this.
Not sure what to think of the dual miller claims, I haven't been playing this long enough to know if that means anything. Just going to treat it as null then for both because anything can happen with this setup. I mean, it was advertised as experimental, so I'm making no assumptions other than there are some town and scum.
I want to see some more content from PX, he hasn't posted since late RVS (though aside from this I haven't posted since early RVS so slightly hypocritical-except to say this I'm posting!)
Serela seems fine and I see no reason to keep my vote on him so ##Unvote.
But where to put it? I'm not seeing anything that stands out for the wrong reasons as of yet, my gut is leaning towards Omba since I'm fine with Dan's wall, PX always lurks so no real problem yet, NekoNekoRex I see as leaning townie for trying to be as helpful to Dan as possible, and I guess I don't know what to think on Dorian either. So ##Vote: Omba
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Ehhhh, I feel like I'm going to have to go with I have no name on this one, Action Dan's claim sounds he's actually Mafia trying to claim a role that lets him get away with whatever he wants at night. There can't be all that many scum in the game, and if you add two millers, that's quite a lot of scum results running around.
I guess it would make sense if it were another simple Miller claim so that whatever cop we have gets screwed by the amount of millers, but Dan's role only seems like a bad excuse to prevent "getting caught"
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Wheeee
Dan's claim seems sketchy by the way he presented it, but there's nothing really wrong with everything else.
I see nothing wrong with Serela.
Omba, I have nothing
Neko seems fine :\
IHHN looks like he's going the easy route by going after the person with little to their name with little reason
And Dorian just sits wrong with me :\
##Unvote
##Vote Ihavenoname
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You people should really post more votecount.
I have no name (1): PX
Serela (0):
Omba (2): Serela, I have no name
NekoNekoRex (1): Omba
ActionDan (2): NekoNekoRex, Dorian. G
PX (feat. Vhaltz) (0):
Dorian G. (1): ActionDan
Not Voting: You!
With 7 people alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
You have 37 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&day=08&month=06&year=2012&hour=22&min=15&sec=00&p0=240)
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As much as I like not having votes on me, PX switched from NekoNekoRex to me.
IHHN looks like he's going the easy route by going after the person with little to their name with little reason
I don't have any reasons why anyone is scummy yet and Serela (who I had a vote on) was anti-scummy. The only people I'm not leaning town on were you, Dorian and Omba. You were lurking which is null, Dorian doesn't have much but what he has I saw no problems with, leaving Omba who appears to me to be trying to twitterpost to appear active. It's true I didn't have any solid reasons at the time of the vote, but after re-reading everything several times more (I re-read about 5 times while typing the last post), I feel confident with where my vote currently is.
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Omba may I ask how RVS voting the person you wouldn't lynch for the miller claim D1 advances the game for you? (gonna pre-empt this a bit by saying I reconize the difference between "not wanting them lynched" and "not wanting them lynched for the miller claim alone")
As much as any other RVS vote does. Actually, if you remember that one certain game, you should be able to guess why I'd do that just because of :V
Your claim reeks of scum fakeclaim; or so I would like to say, but this being an experimental (and bastard) setup, I suppose it's possible.
That leaves us with a problem though: We can't policy lynch 2 people. Or rather we could, but that would be a ridiculous crapshoot. Meaning we might end up with a claimed miller in LyLo. Uh, shit.
Oh well. Have a question instead:
I don't get where this worry comes from for the reason you stated (i.e. "I wonder what else there is") from a town perspective. Can you explain what was going through your mind?
Where exactly do you see the scum factor in there? I thought it was pretty clearly a statement of the sort "oh god who knows what kind of bullshit is going to happen in this game". Considering the same player had a few slight difficulties with certain D1 box shenanigans a few games ago, that would seem reasonable.
Which in turn makes your vote pretty unreasonable.
##FoS: ActionDan
leaving Omba who appears to me to be trying to twitterpost to appear active.
##Unvote
##Vote I have no name
What kind of bullshit is this? Appart from the "how would that make me scum" and "why do you think I'm trying to appear active, rather than just being active", there's one more important thing:
The assumption it's based on is false. I.e., where in the hell have I been twitterposting? No, length of post doesn't count when there's not much to talk about to begin with. More importantly, prior to this post, I have made all of three posts in this thread, one of which is the confirmation one. How in all hell does that fit together with your reason for voting me?
Also:
I don't have any reasons why anyone is scummy yet and Serela (who I had a vote on) was anti-scummy. The only people I'm not leaning town on were you, Dorian and Omba. You were lurking which is null, Dorian doesn't have much but what he has I saw no problems with, leaving Omba who appears to me to be trying to twitterpost to appear active. It's true I didn't have any solid reasons at the time of the vote, but after re-reading everything several times more (I re-read about 5 times while typing the last post), I feel confident with where my vote currently is.
For some reason, the three parts I highlighted in this quote don't fit together. And that to a degree that makes me think your thought processes themselves don't add up, i.e. you're scum just looking for any sort of justification to vote someone (rather than being town grasping at straws because of ED1).
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That's "desperately needs death" level scummy, btw.
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Also:For some reason, the three parts I highlighted in this quote don't fit together. And that to a degree that makes me think your thought processes themselves don't add up, i.e. you're scum just looking for any sort of justification to vote someone (rather than being town grasping at straws because of ED1).
That's what I get for going back over the thread while typing a post, incoherent thoughts >.> So you're right, my thought processes expressed in that post don't add up, only because they changed in the time it took to write it.
There is a difference between looking for a reason to vote someone and grasping at straws, and I honestly have no idea who's scum and who's town. I'm grasping at straws and being voted for having a suspicion for a reason I can't exactly put into words. Maybe I went a bit far in justifying my vote, but that last post makes me more sure of where I have it.
Also I thought you'd posted more than that, I was confused from reading that part about a dozen times.
I didn't have any reasons why anyone is scummy yet
[very late] EBWOP
I'd like to see more content from Dorian (and to a lesser extent PX) since I have a gut feeling on everyone else except Serela, who I'm confident as being town. But overall I have very little idea what's going on like every other D1 (except Shadoweh's game because I figured out the box immediately)
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I'm really tired, but I suddenly realized I have to post before I can go to sleep. It just doesn't occur to me because since only 7 people, much less occurs in the game then usually would before I'm supposed to need to post again!
For now, I think that both Neko and ActionDan are telling the truth.
My initial reaction to reading IHNN's posts was "I like this man", although on a second look I'm a little more waffley then that; but, still, I don't really see anything wrong with him. PX is nothin' noteworthy, and... who else is left oh yeah Omba and Dorian.
Neko:It's also possible there aren't any cops. Or even if there is they might not be sane. Break setup, hooray!\
Overall I guess right now I'm trying to decide whether I think Dorian or Omba is more deserving of a vote.
Actually then I read over Omba's latest post again and it's making me waffle on IHNN. I'm not awake enough for this :V
Eenie meenie minie mo, who is scummy I don't know
##unvote
Why did I ever think Omba was scummy? Omba looks fine. Dorian is still sort of neutral/eh-ish to me. I agree that Dan's vote on him was silly, although since it was practically RVS still, *Shrug* I suppose what it comes down to isn't really that Dorian isn't actually particularly bad but a framing of circumstance... blah. Lots of people I'd love to come in and update their opinions since lots of people still have almost nothing that can be considered very up-to-date at this point, as the game has only REALLY gotten going very recently.
My vote. I suppose I'd place it on Dorian or sheep Omba's IHNN stuff, but... I'm waffley on the latter and really would like updated opinion on the game from both the former, and, before the former's updated opinion, an update from ActionDan, aka Dorian's current vote target. Because that entire situation is just somewhat silly. And not in a way that's a scummy thing on anyone's part. It's just... I haven't seen anything I -like- from Dorian yet either, y'know? If this isn't very coherent, it's because my eyes, they want to clooose...
Voting IHNN would put him at L-1, so I'll take the other route. I do hope the situation gets sorted out soon so I can feel better about where I'm throwing my vote down, I'd really like to see more from Dorian, especially after a response from ActionDan. I suppose I'm fine with this considering the current state of events though.
##Vote Dorian
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This votecount sponsored by the late Ray Bradbury
"some idiot turned on the lights"
I have no name (2): PX, Omba
Serela (0):
Omba (1): I have no name
NekoNekoRex (0):
ActionDan (2): NekoNekoRex, Dorian. G
PX (0):
Dorian G. (2): ActionDan, Serela
With 7 people alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
You have ~31 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&day=08&month=06&year=2012&hour=22&min=15&sec=00&p0=240)
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My internet access will be spotty for the next few days before I transition to my summer dorm room.
Skimming this page, Neko's post is strikingly scummy
Ehhhh, I feel like I'm going to have to go with [Dorian] on this one, Action Dan's claim sounds he's actually Mafia trying to claim a role that lets him get away with whatever he wants at night. There can't be all that many scum in the game, and if you add two millers, that's quite a lot of scum results running around [And?].
I guess it would make sense if it were another simple Miller claim so that whatever cop we have gets screwed by the amount of millers, but Dan's role only seems like a bad excuse to prevent "getting caught"
There is not an ounce of original thought here. Firstly, Dorian is not voting me based on "my claim sounds like he's actually Mafia trying to claim a role that let's him get away with whatever he wants at night". He's leveled myriad acussations my way (and I'll respond tomorrow) but what is quoted is not part of it. Neither is it legitimate in and of itself. If I were scum, then yes, the benefits would be to not be accountable for any and all possible night actions. However as town, it's in my interest to claim explictly so no investigative role wastes their role on me. The same is true for a normal miller variant. All one has to do is imagine a scum ninja and presto, cop investigations are warded off and trackers and watchers won't be able to catch the ninja in the act. All this is obvious. So is the next senctence, which is equally pointless. The last half facilitates pushing the same talking point that my super miller status "seems like a bad excuse."
List of scummy things for convienance:
1) cite Dorian post, doesn't bother to say what he agrees with explicitly in Dorian's post
2) reason outlined for disbelieveing claim is that "I'm making a bad excuse" for not wanting to "get caught" which in turn is supposed to indicate I'm scum, yet you first have to assume I'm scum in the first place, so the point holds no weight.
3) the point is presented in a most obvious repetitious way in order to make it look like it carries any value.
4) No mention of anything else aside from my claim that might sway Neko into believeing I'm scum
##unvote
##Vote: NekoNeko
After I sleep I'll look at the more recent posts more carefully but nothing is sticking out right now.
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Have a votecount because I'm unable to delete this post.
I have no name (2): PX, Omba
Serela (0):
Omba (1): I have no name
NekoNekoRex (1): ActionDan
ActionDan (2): NekoNekoRex, Dorian. G
PX (0):
Dorian G. (1): Serela
With 7 people alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Not Voting: Nobody.
You have ~29 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&day=08&month=06&year=2012&hour=22&min=15&sec=00&p0=240)
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Well, I think it's time to inspect the line to see how the other guardsman doing.
Serela, you are the most loyal I have seen so far in this bunch that's supposed to be a squad. Your effort to lead us out of military exercise (RVS) and into serious combat is noticed and will be honored even when your current aim seems to be misguided. Have faith in the Emperor, and maybe some aiming practices.
Omba, as every guardsman I'm used to be under attack but getting defended makes me nervous. That's just a triviality compared to the other things we have to face here but keep it in mind and aside from this do I not see any sign of heresy (scum intent) in your acts or words.
PX, I think that I know what you aimed at with your first vote and I don't see a problem with your words but that's may be because you are quite economical with them. Keep in mind that we are supposed to be a squad so a few more words to your comrades would be in every way preferable.
I have no name, not everyone can be blessed with the judgmental mind of a commissar and I understand your confusion only too well but to know the enemy is the key to victory so your hesitation will not be tolerated forever. Take a clear position, fight and the Emperor fights with you.
So much to my tunnel vision prevention. I hope the RPing doesn't get's in the way of understanding, in retrospect wasn't it a good idea to write a opinion post while listen to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSR9W8g6ak8) on repeat.^^;
I'll come to the headache inducing miller duo as soon as I gathered my thoughts on it.
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Doublepost for the Emperor, cause everyone else is idle.^^;
It seems that most of you prefer to ignore this matter and even I've considered the possibility that we have in fact two miller in this game. But I also think if there is any good time for scum to hide behind a miller claim then it's when they get away with a ?LOL experimental bastardmod setup? and that's why I focus on them to reach a conclusion one way or the other. But that is easier said than done, so let's see what we have so far ?
NekoNekoRex, claimed (death) miller, added some explanations too the claim and has a ?case? on Dan only based on his miller claim, as far as I understand it. I don't think that I need to explain why such a case is bound to be pure WIFOM, we had this in the past and Dan already talked lengthy about it. What I found troublesome is that he keeps an alarming low profile. He wouldn't be much more then a policy lynch right now and if he says the truth about his death miller status then this is everything but not satisfying.
ActionDan, I have to say that I'm not sure about my objectivity here, mostly cause I'm already overjoyed by the prospect that his bloody delaying tactic will force me to deal with him either at the dead of night or just a few hours before deadline. However, you could summarize my reason to vote him as making a big fuss ?counterclaiming? the miller just to go for the ?LOL experimental bastardmod setup? explanations and placed his vote to push for an clarification on a matter that I can only describe as triviality, so much to ?myriad accusations?. It was predictable that he would unvote as soon as he gets an clarification and even when I can't see anything wrong with his current case, I would even agree with it under other circumstances but it's said circumstances that lets my guts act up.
So, having this said, my vote stays where it is till I get my promised response and I can only pray to the Emperor that it makes this choice easier.
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I'm still here, I just haven't thought of much else to say. Also I've been asleep a good chunk of this morning..
Now is an excellent time I think to read up and post some reads
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I suppose I should respond to Dan's post first and foremost.
You know, I just realized I said I agreed with Ihavenoname when I meant Dorian. Huh. Somewhat glad you caught that, actually, it probably was rather confusing.
The part that I agreed with is that I can't really believe there are two millers running around, me being one of them. While your claim doesn't come off as a counterclaim, the premise of it still seems rather suspicious, and I don't like the concept of a Super Miller one bit still.
The accusation that my post isn't original is debatable and not really a decent point to put down. I'm not dittoing Dorian's post and saying I agree with it doesn't mean much else, that accusation just seems tacked on to make me look worse.
While it's true that I said your claim was pretty horrible, you're also right that I haven't actually said that I find YOU to be scum, but so far, aside from a claim, you haven't said much for me to analyze (not including the post I'm commenting on right now). Now I do think you're scum based on your argument and I'm going to leave my vote where it's been the whole day as a result.
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As far as everyone else goes, I haven't really seen anything too troublesome, although Serela's posts seem kind of everywhere since post-RVS. She jumped on Obma for... wierd RVSy reasons, but she's dropped the case since then, which still contributes to the "everywhere at once" thing but isn't a huge deal.
She-He I don't actually know the gender of any of you people, excuse me if I ever get any of this wrong. I'm biased towards avatar genders, and there's a lot of female avatars running around (being a Touhou forum and all)
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I finally have a stance on Dorian, right now he's leaning town.
Re-reading Omba it feels more like 'wait you're voting me why? hahaha let me rip that apart', which isn't inherently scummy. My gut still doesn't agree with it but you've actually done nothing [that] scummy yet.
ActionDan's wall, in light of his recent post feels like fluff throwing suspicion off him after the (likely?) inevitable N1 actions that will be taken. I personally don't see any of the numbered points given or don't see a problem with them (aside #4) [added post cut: which again isn't a problem as it was acknowledged that it was the only reason {and it's to a lesser extent why I voted Omba}]
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well this post took longer than expected to write because my mom walked in. I see that neko came to the same conclusions I did.
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Serela is a guy :V
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I'm here, post right after this insane dota game :V
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The votecount remains unchanged. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12789.msg839966.html#msg839966)
You have ~13 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&day=08&month=06&year=2012&hour=22&min=15&sec=00&p0=240)
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Re-reading Omba it feels more like 'wait you're voting me why? hahaha let me rip that apart', which isn't inherently scummy. My gut still doesn't agree with it but you've actually done nothing [that] scummy yet.
Forgot to change my vote with this post.
##Unvote
Vote: ActionDan
Wait, do we want people at L-1 yet? 2 out of 7 is the most likely setup for scum, and a mislynch puts us in LYLO.
##Unvote
Omba is still a lynch I'd prefer but I don't have any case other than gut so I'll switch to ActionDan if we're putting people at L-1.
I probably won't post again until just before midnight, and then I won't be able to before the deadline either.
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Okay, I think the adrenaline is finally gone. Now to make that post :\
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Okay, I see Dan's post but I'm just not convinced of Neko scum. I just don't see him/her? fakeclaiming miller right away, and despite being... pretty much useless at the moment, I don't see scum. Not worth lynching now. Vigs, however, might be a different story.
That said, Dan still isn't that bad to me, but the way he flipped out on Neko.... It just gives me a feeling.
IHNN, you're still voting Omba. Why. Wait, you're voting Dan now. Why.
Omba has come out really good.
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Huff Puff, Just getting on now.
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Omba has been prodded.
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wawawawawawa
It would have been nice to have seen Dan post before I go to sleep
I surely won't be awake by deadline, that's 8 AM.
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ughhh I keep remembering I have to post after it's like 11pm and I really want to go to bed instead, like, I just drug myself out of bed
so what ihnn or dan are the wagons?
I wish I could be up for dan's post but seriously, no (besides he said "just getting on" like 3 hours ago)
##unvote ##vote ihavenoname
wait why hasn't dan posted when it's been that long, that's Not Good :c but but but, bah I'm too sleepy to wait and see if he ever posts or not
if dan doesn't post soon lynch him instead. Actually wait a second. If IHNN and Dan both show up to vote Not Me Over Me, and no one else switches from one wagon to the other then my vote is the decider :I I am not awake nor confident enough right now for this. I have like, one post out of RVS from Dan and a weird claim even if I think it's plausible, and waffles all over ihnn, and bahhh I don't want to be a swing vote right now
##Unvote ##vote actiondan
idk I'll just lynch the weirder one
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that post reads so much like dr.rawr I don't even ;_;
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hey, so I just finished a Labyrinth of Touhou race (I won), check my replies and see this got responded to. I have to go to bed in 20 minutes, so either Dan has 20 minutes to post or my vote ends the day on no one since there's no way I'll be up before deadline.
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Page 3 Votes
Now in full color
I have no name (2): PX, Omba
Serela (0):
Omba (0):
NekoNekoRex (1): ActionDan
ActionDan (3): NekoNekoRex, Dorian. G, Serela
PX (0):
Dorian G. (0):
Not voting: I have no name
With 7 people alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
You have ~8 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&day=08&month=06&year=2012&hour=22&min=15&sec=00&p0=240)
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Ahhhh I don't know what to think here I don't have any strong opinions on if anyone's scum but ActionDan might be so I can either hammer now then go to sleep or I can not vote and possibly be lynched while I go to sleep. Obviously, to play to my wincon I need to do 2 things: lynch the scum, and survive.
With that in mind... I need another minute or 2 to try to organize my thoughts.
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wait why hasn't dan posted when it's been that long, that's Not Good :c but but but, bah I'm too sleepy to wait and see if he ever posts or not
I got admonished and had to finish packing. Now I'm back, and I'm absolutely livid now that I look to be lynched purely over my miller claim (with the exception of Dorian)
I'm going to claim before anything else and ask IHNN do the same.
I'm a Necromancer.
Every night I place a mark on my target that lasts forever. If anybody is killed in the night with the mark on them they will revive as a zombie the next night phase after the night they were killed (only works if target is town, and no one is alerted if I target them).
Relevant flavor: Once an ordinary wizard, I thought it was a good idea to master the dark arts. Now that I've mastered them, everyone fears me and assioicates me with any evil acts. (super miller status is in a parenthetical).
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Ahhhh I don't know what to think here I don't have any strong opinions on if anyone's scum but ActionDan might be so I can either hammer now then go to sleep or I can not vote and possibly be lynched while I go to sleep. Obviously, to play to my wincon I need to do 2 things: lynch the scum, and survive.
With that in mind... I need another minute or 2 to try to organize my thoughts.
You can hammer away since this might as well be a scum claim from you.
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Seriously that reads like "guys is it safe to hammer the mislynch now, guys? I can do it? right guys?"
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I looked at your posts a few hours ago when I was rereading before I was kicked off and the post you voted me and unvoted me was a complete change of heart with NOTHING to back it up.
##Unvote
##Vote IHNN
Gonna quote stuff.
If you still wanna pretend to be town I suggest not hammering before
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Seriously that reads like "guys is it safe to hammer the mislynch now, guys? I can do it? right guys?"
I was just trying to be cautious.
##Vote: ActionDan
but you know what, I forgot this was BM when i signed up and it's confusing me.
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Inb4 flip
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But where to put it? I'm not seeing anything that stands out for the wrong reasons as of yet, my gut is leaning towards Omba since I'm fine with Dan's wall, PX always lurks so no real problem yet, NekoNekoRex I see as leaning townie for trying to be as helpful to Dan as possible, and I guess I don't know what to think on Dorian either. So ##Vote: Omba
ActionDan's wall, in light of his recent post feels like fluff throwing suspicion off him after the (likely?) inevitable N1 actions that will be taken. I personally don't see any of the numbered points given or don't see a problem with them (aside #4)
Assuming the 'the wall' to be the first post, I fail to see anyway in which lambasting Neko for causally voting the other claimed miller for being a miller and ignoring everything else should change your opinion on the way I presented my miller claim itself. The point you agreed with #4 is the most damning and yet it seems to not influence you much at all.
At this point I would not be surprised at all if IHNN and NEko were the scum team.
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Final Votecount
I have no name (3): PX, Omba, ActionDan
Serela (0):
Omba (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
ActionDan (4): NekoNekoRex, Dorian. G, Serela, I have no name - LYNCH!
PX (0):
Dorian G. (0):
With 7 people alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
ActionDan put off chess updates for the last time on Day 1!
24 hours to send in night actions. Chop chop now.
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Well, we can post at night so I'll do just that. Here, have something slightly NSFW (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/549150/bat_wings-blood-face-finger_licking-hands-hat-lave) to spend the night with. (Goddamn that gel-booru wordfilter).
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Mod: Are questions to the mod allowed at night?
If so: Would Lylo / potential LyLo be announced?
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Mod: Are questions to the mod allowed at night?
Not if they're game related.
:smug:
(Questions sent by PM are fine though, as always)
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We need Zakeri in here to write D1 lynch flavors
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And I thought it would be enough when I come back before deadline.^^;
However, squad morale restored!
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Dorian. G had his last dance during Night 1!
I have no name (0):
Serela (0):
Omba (0):
NekoNekoRex (0):
PX (0):
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
You are now in Pseudo-LYLO.
You have 72 hours to decide on a lynch. (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&day=12&month=06&year=2012&hour=14&min=00&sec=00&p0=240)
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Two red flips and we're in Pseudo-Lylo.
Q1: Were those two actually scum? Both? One of them? None?
Q2: Is there any third party?
Is what I'm currently mulling over, but so far I haven't found any definite answer to either.
Furthermore, given that there's probably some insane roles, the Pseudo-Lylo could also come from someone of either alignment having a multi-kill-shot, or someone with a single-target-kill that didn't use it last night.
The main problem here is: I have as of yet no idea how to read the interactions between living and dead players when I don't know which of the dead ones was scum/town/third party.
Anyone got any idea about this?
(And just in case: No, if you think you might be the one that makes this Pseudo-Lylo and you're town, please don't claim now.)
I suppose if we can't find answers to this, we'll have to rely on the non-mod content only. Brb re-reading overdrive mode.
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Oh, right. In case we have one-shot vig (i.e. someone that has used up his ability to kill Dorian and is now basically a vanilla townie), he should claim now. Again, don't claim now if you have shots remaining.
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Mostly minor miffs about a few players not really sure who to vote atm
As before, Serela was all over the place yesterday. Not sure if that constitutes having the waffles or not, not too much reason for a vote
PX seemed like he was on the sidelines most of the last day, I didn't notice him getting too deep into discussion, which might be problematic.
All those red names don't tell much about what we're still up against, which is disappointing.
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Since we're in LYLO we should consider doing a massclaim.
Seems jarring for D2, I know, but we only had 7 to begin with. Just a suggestion, wouldn't plan on actually implementing it unless there was a good bit of support behind having one, though.
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@mod Since it's Pseudo-Lylo, if we no lynch does that mean the game cannot end?
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@mod Since it's Pseudo-Lylo, if we no lynch does that mean the game cannot end?
That would be MYLO, so no.
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I'm playing awfully this game, but entering LyLo (or a form of it) if we mis-lynched was why I was so hesitant to hammer. Additionally, if you look at my play in Midnight Crew Mafia you'll notice I was hesitant to hammer there too.
I had to go 20 minutes before I hammered, had I had more time I would have had some discussion (and probably been lynched because I can't debate as well).
Only now did I notice the request to claim >.> If people still want I can do that, if not then I'll wait until massclaim. I will say I believe there's a multi-target killing role in the game though.
The point you agreed with #4 is the most damning and yet it seems to not influence you much at all.
Claims being the only reason didn't really influence me much because at that point there wasn't much else to go on.
but you know what, I forgot this was BM when i signed up and it's confusing me.
This still holds, but less so. 24 hours of no computer access gives you some time to think.
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Okay, so, uh. I don't think I trust any sort of info that could be attempted to be gained from looking at the flips :V IMO, best we can do is treat this like a game where we don't get flips and scumhunt as we would there. (Oh god oh god oh god)
IHNN, we -are- in lylo, so... if you think you should claim, just go ahead and do it.
...okay any attempt by me to scumhunt is ruined by the fact that I can't make myself trust what we've got flipped at all. I'd love to be able to analyze what went on using flips, but... blah. Without that, so very little happened, considering two of the more existent players are already dead. I'm going to reread again.
Okay, regardless of flips, Dan is weird as fuck. His claiming went all over the place. It makes me want to trust Neko more due to him going after her, but then, like, what if it was a double gambit plan?! "Surely BOTH the millers who are trying to kill eachother aren't lying!" AUGH.
Okay. I'm starting to seriously consider massclaim again just to add something to go on here. Too little happened D1 for me to get any reads with untrustworthy flips.
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Phone posting from birthday pool party
IHNN you never gave a reason why you switched to Dan when you did, so I still want that. As for mass claim, I would go with it since it is LyLo, but the pseudo makes me worried we might out the role that can ruin scum victory.
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Cut by Serela
Uhhh, what?
Also
##Point giant foam finger with word "Suspision" at IHNN
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Is there anything you're suspicious about Serela?
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I'm a Fireproof Townie.
I can't be primed as by an Arsonist, which is why I believe there's an arsonist in the game.
IHNN you never gave a reason why you switched to Dan when you did, so I still want that.
When I first saw the wall I didn't see anything wrong with it, but it didn't seem to add much. Taking into account the second wall (which was exclusively ripping apart Neko and felt like fluff) the first wall felt similar. Removing the walls as fluff, ActionDan didn't have much going for him, and had some going against him, so I switched. Also partly Not Me over Me because getting lynched is something I try to avoid.
##Point giant foam finger with word "Suspision" at IHNN
##Wave giant foam hand with words "I expected that honestly" at PX
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What about Omba now? See anything with his response to the flips?
Also, you do Ape Escape runs?
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What about Omba now? See anything with his response to the flips?
Also, you do Ape Escape runs?
What Omba posted makes a lot of sense and I agree with it.
Yes, yes I do. I'm chasing sub 1 hour for now.
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I have no name: Do you think Dan was scum? What do you think of me in light of that?
Claim is null; I guess it's a role that could be in the game, but it's not provable and either way not necessarily town-aligned.
Neko: Err... anything you want to ask anyone? Any concrete stance on anyone today?
PX: ... hasn't done that much, but really doesn't read like scum anyhow.
Serela: The usual waffle king. Doesn't read like scum either. I'd really like to have usable flips here because of his No name -> Dan switch, but eh.
That basically boils down to
##Vote I have no name
FoS: NekoNekoRex
Also, I think the massclaim is a good idea. Certainly not ideal, but since we have no flips, we need every little bit of information we can get.
There is the possibility of there being a role we're better off not outing, but I don't think we should bet on that.
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##Unvote
Errgh. I still want to lynch No name, but I just noticed a possibility that would make a scum quickhammer not useful for us on the off chance that he's town.
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I have no name: Do you think Dan was scum? What do you think of me in light of that?
I think that there was a decent chance of Dan being scum, and tbh I don't really think anyone is definitely scum at the moment.
Maybe there will be more stuff in the morning to form an opinion on.
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Ah, it appears I forgot to put a concrete vote or FoS on. I kind of asked who all wanted to massclaim in my latter post
Right now I have a gut against PX because as I said before I feel like he's standing off to the side amidst the discussion, not really putting any concrete cases down
Serela is apparently waffly as a meta thing, which I wouldn't know, hurr hurr, so I guess that kind of curbs my suspicion a tad, although I'm paranoid so not really guess?
I haven't read too closely into the recent posts yet but as of that last bit of posts of mine PX would probably be my #1.
Subject to change as I analyze more, although I just got done with a grad party thing I attended all day, and I'll probably be seeping sometime soon. I'll do what I can.
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I kind of feel like this is a dumb question to ask the mod, but red flips are anti-town, right? (obviously it would normally be implied but this is a bastard game and not actually stated so I dunno)
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I kind of feel like this is a dumb question to ask the mod, but red flips are anti-town, right? (obviously it would normally be implied but this is a bastard game and not actually stated so I dunno)
Color indicates alignment. (If that doesn't answer your question perhaps you can rephrase it.)
(Also next time directly address the mod just so it's clear, unless you weren't asking me in which case oops.)
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Also for some reason Omba is completely not on my scumdar (as in I can't get a good read on him), even after reading his posts. I don't know how to feel about that, tbh.
But this is rambling tinfoil hat posting so I dunno.
Questions for Omba:
Does Dan's calling me and IHNN out as the scumteam mean anything to you? Do you think that a me-IHNN scumteam is plausible in your view? Not that I'm trying to imply anything, obviously. I just kind of find it coincidental that your suspicions are the same as Dan's. (Why am I trying to justify my questions?)
Does your claim have any flavor, IHNN?
@Mod Ninja: Yeah, I was asking you, the mod, which colors correlate to what alignment, since it's not totally clear and only implyable
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Does your claim have any flavor, IHNN?
I'm a scientist who created a nuclear powered jetpack. Unfortunately it requires wearing both a radiation suit and a fire suit to be used safely, and when it the radiation leaked the suits coalesced, trapping me inside.
2 scum flips in 7P non-LYLO followed by 5P pseudo-LYLO? That doesn't add up...unless this is a no night-kill multiple faction game? For balance it's probably 2-2-3, assuming now it's 2-3 then any post-lynch kill on town makes it scum victory. Ugh my head hurts from trying to figure out the actual setup, finding the scum would probably be more productive except I have no [real] leads.
But this is rambling tinfoil hat posting so I dunno.
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I just noticed a possibility that would make a scum quickhammer not useful for us on the off chance that he's town.
Are you willing to share this possibility?
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I think that there was a decent chance of Dan being scum, and tbh I don't really think anyone is definitely scum at the moment.
Maybe there will be more stuff in the morning to form an opinion on.
Then rather than definitely scum, anyone that looks scummy at all? No idea who you actually suspect today.
If you want more content to get reads, you'll most likely have to make an effort to generate more content.
Does Dan's calling me and IHNN out as the scumteam mean anything to you? Do you think that a me-IHNN scumteam is plausible in your view?
It doesn't. I have no idea what alignment Dan had and what alignments are even in the game. Maybe he was scum. Maybe he was a death miller. Maybe he was scum and there's one more third parties and/or a second scum team. In any case, I have no idea if Dan and No name / you have the same alignment if you are scum, so what reads he had on whom is pretty useless for me.
No idea. Unless we get a flip with a different color than the two we have so far, I won't bother with reading into relations / speculating about scum teams. It's useless anyway if I have nothing definite to go by.
For all I know, all town flips could be shown as red. Pretty unlikely, but possible still.
Since PX seems to be your top scum read, could you write out a slightly more verbose case on him?
Are you willing to share this possibility?
Eh, I guess it doesn't really matter now.
This being Pseudo-LyLo, there are a few possibilities as for why it's pseudo as opposed to actual LyLo. Some sort of multi-kill role that is not mafia aligned, multiple scum/third parties that don't win with each other, or protective / kill-immune roles.
The latter is why a scum quickhammer would not be useful for us - if the pseudo part comes only from the possibility of scum trying to kill a kill-immune player, then we have no one that could kill off the scum that'd out himself by quickhammering.
Obviously, if there actually is a town player that is bulletproof or similar (leaving No name aside) and he has more to his role than that, it might be a good idea not to claim the unkillable part.
And btw, I'd kind of like to hear more :stuff: from PX and Serela. Talking with my two scum reads is nice and all, but...
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No idea who you actually suspect today.
That's the thing-as of right now, no one, and I don't know how to go about changing that.
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I suppose LaL could come into play here, but I'd rather not do that in any form of LyLo
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This being Pseudo-LyLo, there are a few possibilities as for why it's pseudo as opposed to actual LyLo. Some sort of multi-kill role that is not mafia aligned, multiple scum/third parties that don't win with each other, or protective / kill-immune roles.
The latter is why a scum quickhammer would not be useful for us - if the pseudo part comes only from the possibility of scum trying to kill a kill-immune player, then we have no one that could kill off the scum that'd out himself by quickhammering.
Obviously, if there actually is a town player that is bulletproof or similar (leaving No name aside) and he has more to his role than that, it might be a good idea not to claim the unkillable part.
scum quickhammer is always a bad outcome to leave possible in lylo, even if it's pseudo-lylo, unless you have a VERY good reason to believe the game WON'T end before the next day despite it. (If any of you are thinking of bringing that game up, I thought I had very good reason to believe it wouldn't end until my epiphany right after I voted so be quiet ;_;)
We don't have good reason to believe the game won't end from a wrong lynch unless you've (With "you" being any of you) got some weird role that assures you of it beyond reasonable doubt, and there could still possibly be two scum, so we'll worry about the possible quicklynch that would probably be bad, and it's obvious why.
The way Omba went about handling that honestly makes me want to just town clear him. Not that there was anything I disliked about him before, either. But I think scum would have thought that out better before they started talking about it. There's a lot of weird things in how he explained it that I can't be bothered to figure out how to adequately explain, partially because I forgot them.
ANYWAY, this entire post other then Ombaclear is practically fluff, I know, but I'll get something better out later :/ Still trying to figure out who I'd want to lynch out of you people. Not Omba, but that still leaves... oh jeez there's only three others. I guess picking out the one I think is worst couldn't be too hard. Ah well, I've gotta leave pretty soon, but I'll reread until then.
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The votecount remains unchanged. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,12789.msg840765.html#msg840765)
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
You have ~29.5 hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&day=12&month=06&year=2012&hour=14&min=00&sec=00&p0=240)
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The moderator never answered my question on what colors correlate to what alignment in player flips, or if the color even matters
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The moderator never answered my question on what colors correlate to what alignment in player flips, or if the color even matters
Color indicates alignment.
Your color equals your alignment. People with the same color are of the same alignment/faction and would presumably be working towards the same wincon as in any other game.
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Baaaah, the only ones I feel solid enough to not vote for is Serela and probably Neko. Actually... To make this less dull.
@Everyone
Pick one person you would vote for the most, and come up with 2 reasons why. Also, if we're going to mass claim, now would be the time with IHNN popcorning (picking) someone to claim, and then they claim and pick someone else etc.
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random.org says PX claim next.
I suppose LaL could come into play here, but I'd rather not do that in any form of LyLo
This is really only PX although for all I know *timezeones* could be causing it and it's pretty moot given that he just posted.
Then there are the mods for being cheating b******s, but they can't be lynched so moot anyway.
I guess Neko would be the one I'm willing to vote most right now? It's really only barely, and the 2 requested reasons are:
1. Contributing little (everyone's guilty of this except Serela D1 and Omba D2)
2. seemingly "active lurking", though I may be missing the usefulness in the posts.
2.5: gut.
Bluh I feel so useless this game, I'm more clueless than usual. :V
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I am a neighbour vigilante. Together with my partner, we decide which one of us can perform our action. The other one does nothing. Last night we decided that I kill Dorian.
Flavor is that I'm here to stop some new folks before they start causing trouble in my town.
My neighbor claims next.
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Oh right if either of us die, the other can't use his power.
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PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEECKS
I told you it'd be better to just leave out the neighbor part ;_;
Oh fine. I'm his neighbor. Double hydra neighborhood QT, go! Same flavor; we don't like the new people who came to our town, and we want to clear them out before it becomes a huge issue.
I am a neighbor roleblocker.
We are not mod-alignment-confirmed to eachother, but the way Vhaltz acts in QT makes me pretty confident they're town.
Everyone who's claimed so far puts in another possibility of why we're in pseudo-lylo, so we can't expect to figure out what the situation with that is despite claims. But hopefully they'll help us pick out who to lynch.
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Omba is the only person who hasn't claimed, although I guess Neko hasn't fullclaimed. Since neko has already claimed as much as death miller, I don't really care at all which of you goes next, but it either of you post and say you want the other to claim before you (Or don't mention your claiming at all) I will punch you in the face.
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I don't like how my top picks are neighbors. This makes things complex and difficult.
Anyways, I'm a Retired Mafioso, I used to be in the Mafia, but I decided to settle down and quit my life of crime, make a family, have some kids. My criminal record is still long and convoluted, though, so I've had to avoid the cops on a number of occasions. And also avoid some of my former "friends". I've been forced to rat a few of my buddies out to get out of the pokey more than once.
Anyways, I'm now going to have lots of trouble deciding who I want lynched. With PX and Serela neighbors and both of them being fairly sure the other is a townie, that doesn't leave much for me to pick
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Also, yeah, about my lack of activity, I've been awfully lately. Particularly last weekend, in which I had to go do two role-play sessions and attend a graduation part, so I haven't had many opportunities to sit down and read up, usually only late at night (like now)
It doesn't help everyone is so goddamn town-reading.
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Your color equals your alignment. People with the same color are of the same alignment/faction and would presumably be working towards the same wincon as in any other game.
Are colors in role PMs and flips (generally) the same?
PX: I'd vote No name. Day 1 bullshit case that very much looked fabricated and D2 zero stances on anyone until very late (#108). For more reasons, just go re-read.
So, claim time. I'm a Vanilla Townie. According to flavor I once had some sort of awesome powers, but a trip to the Netherlands made me lose them, so now I'm just a useless stoner.
There's a little sort of "haha screw you" by the mod tacked onto the end of the flavor.
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Right.
PX: Why did you decide to shoot Dorian?
As for the neighbor claim; it's null. Especially with the fact that one of the neighbors is Serela. Thinking back to a certain game not long ago ry(
Still, I think both of them look pretty town on their own, so no intention to lynch either of them.
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I still want to lynch PX, even after reread
My reasons are:
-Slugishness D1, he wasn't doing all that much, lots of sidelining.. I guess I'm guilty of the same thing today but I've been busy.
-Claim is a null read in the end, so that shouldn't really affect my decision. I'll wait for PX to answer Omba's question, he does bring
up a good point, why DID he shoot Dorian? Also somewhat wonder why if Dorian died why no scum kill?
Might be forced to pick IHNN, though, since Omba reads pretty town, and if its' a me-over-not-me then he's the only other choice.
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It'd be cool if we lynched within around 12 hours, because 5am deadline is like the worst thing ever.
Something about the way Neko acts just really makes me think he's been telling the truth the entire time. As well, I don't think scum would drop their suspect for claiming neighbor and then instantly decide to retcon the decision and pick them back up :3
This leaves IHNN via process of elimination (I have a town read on everyone else), so I'm going to reread him.
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Well within the next 15 hours would be fine really.
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IHNN's earlygame accusation of Omba twitterposting to remain active is completely out of nowhere and unjustified, and feels like pulling a reason out of thin air that could maybe seem somewhat right to try and make his vote look more substantial.
Dan pretty much got his d1 end about right.
Seriously that reads like "guys is it safe to hammer the mislynch now, guys? I can do it? right guys?"
I mean, I don't think of it as fiercely as he did (Plus with Dan's weird claiming all over the place with super miller and then necromancer and w/e) but... well, I still see where he's coming from.
Along with the Oops I Forgot To Claim Sorry. Saying his reason was because he was in a rush makes me wonder just whether it was because he didn't have time to prepare a fakeclaim.
The one thing holding me back is that the lack of a scum nk n1 makes me think that maybe we have a Arsonist SK Omba that tried to murder the hated IHNN n1, but that's probably just me being paranoid.
I'm not sure if I should ~*~actually~*~ vote IHNN right now because LyLo and whatnot, but you can pretend I just did.
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Are colors in role PMs and flips (generally) the same?
ಠ_ಠ
No comment beyond that the game is playable given how the flips are handled; I wouldn't use random flips, for instance.
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Okay nothing is even going on. :I
##Vote IHNN
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I was at drivers ed until not too long ago.
Along with the Oops I Forgot To Claim Sorry. Saying his reason was because he was in a rush makes me wonder just whether it was because he didn't have time to prepare a fakeclaim.
In hindsight even I would interpret that way, but I really was in a major rush, I had the hammer post all typed up then Dan showed up and started spam-posting, and at that point I had negative time to post. Naturally I missed things but I did respond to them as soon as I got back at the beginning of D2.
The one thing holding me back is that the lack of a scum nk n1 makes me think that maybe we have a Arsonist SK Omba that tried to murder the hated IHNN n1, but that's probably just me being paranoid.
Right now, after 2 scum deaths before D2 but still being in a form of LyLo, that to me screams "multiple scum factions and no scum NK"
I think I know why it's in pseudo-lylo. Serela/PX, if todays lynch comes up town (and isn't one of you 2), you have to shoot scum to avoid a loss. If it comes up scum shoot anyway, then it's either 3Tv0S or 2Tv1S. Because right now evidence points towards 2 scum factions of 2 each, and ActionDan/Dorian were one of them. With that in mind, we still have 2 scum, and odds are one of Serela/PX is scum. But which one? PX is the scummier of the 2 in the pair, and Neko is the scummier of the 2 outside the pair.
Thinking a little more though it could be 3v3v1 or 2v2v2v1 but i think those would be too unbalanced for use, even for this game.
I don't buy Omba's claim completely. You see I left out part of the flavor of my claim, which was location. The Netherlands, to be precise. and he claims to have lost his ability on a trip to the Netherlands. I wouldn't be surprised if he *was* an Arsonist with a hidden oneshot, and he used it on the fireproof person. Either way, I believe he's vanilla now.
IHNN's earlygame accusation of Omba twitterposting to remain active is completely out of nowhere and unjustified, and feels like pulling a reason out of thin air that could maybe seem somewhat right to try and make his vote look more substantial.
I used the wrong term, when will people stop lambasting me for it :V. I was at a relatives house and didn't have much time to put a post together. This game had a really bad start time for me, right as a bunch of IRL stuff was going on.
Taking everything into account... ##Vote: Neko Claiming any sort of Mafioso worries me, you were *barely* lead suspect before the popcorn claiming and I think leaving the vig combo alive another day is the best move. I am willing to switch to PX though despite this.
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Wheeeeeee mafiers post
Dorian? Well, we had both agreed that he was suspicious at least, a couple of his posts looked like fluff thrown in to say just about nothing, and that there wasn't really any concrete stuff we could get him lynched for, so he was perfect vig material.
Of all the claims, Omba is the one that looks most like it's a fake claim because Vanilla Townie :V Of course, he looks so town that he's probably not.
Which leaves two options for me, Neko and IHNN. As for who Vhaltz chose, here's his response:
Role shenanigans aside, I'm pretty sure I want IHNN lynched instead. His last post is pretty much "I want you dead because you're scum, but I'm also willing to vote for this other guy that's your top scumread in LyLo", and it's a continuation of the extremely third party "I don't care who gets lynched as long as I'm not the one" attitude that started at the end of D1, continued through D2 with his absolute lack of reads and continues to the moment through poor logic. He actually never even mentioned Neko before, and he's probably just trying to open up his lynch since he's a town read threat that he might not be able to kill, assuming he's the third party and he hasn't primed him. His only reason is "because he claimed mafioso", seriously ._.
This looks pretty damn solid, and Neko... just doesn't look that scum. So I'm for IHNN.
*Insert vote here*
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Got their wings:
Clarence Odbody, ascended Night 0
Red Bull, shot Night 0
Buffalo, New York, fried Night 0
(http://puu.sh/Aiiz)
I don't buy Omba's claim completely. You see I left out part of the flavor of my claim, which was location. The Netherlands, to be precise. and he claims to have lost his ability on a trip to the Netherlands. I wouldn't be surprised if he *was* an Arsonist with a hidden oneshot, and he used it on the fireproof person. Either way, I believe he's vanilla now.
>Omba has wanted IHNN dead
>IHNN is priming immune
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Arsonist
A popular variant of Arsonist is more like a modified Vigilante. This Arsonist's Night Action is to prime a target player. Its secondary action is to ignite all primed players, killing them all at once. Ignition may occur during the Day if the moderator allows it.
Omba might not have even targetted IHNN. Although it's likely he tried. The "fuck you" note by the mods he claimed could totally be a crack at the fact that he found out he tried to target the fireproof n1.
...urge to vote Omba, rising.
I'm okay with IHNN too though.
Either or.
Maybe Dan and Dorian were actually both the scum and the game is in Pseudo-lylo because Omba didn't prime IHNN N1, is going to prime someone else tonight, PX vigging, and then two people blow up d3, last one gets endgamed by Third Party Arsonist.
But this could also just be a crazy theory. I'unno. IHNN's second scumteam theory is also completely possible. Heck, Omba could even realistically be a -town- arsonist. 3 town, with double town nkers, against two scumteams? Iunno.
The fact that I have nothing to do makes go on speculation rants like this.
##Vote: Neko Claiming any sort of Mafioso worries me
I don't really have an issue with the rest of your reasoning for voting Neko, but I think claiming the death miller right off the bat isn't something a new player would do, plus, well. Considering he's a death miller, being a Mafioso isn't surprising at all :3
It's funny though, that you think PX's vig might be so instrumental to saving us, but then say he's your second preferred lynch >.> <.< If it makes you feel better about PX, me and him are not allowed to send actions through without us both agreeing on the exact action and sending it in to the mod.
brb getting buried under text walls by vhaltz
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Stop kicking me Vhaltz ahhhhh
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"He actually never even mentioned Neko before...assuming he's the third party...His only reason is "because he claimed mafioso", seriously ._."
Uhh..this is false.
First, remember Sword Girls Mafia? and how the scum thought there was a third party? Yeah I'm willing to bet there isn't a third party this game. I have mentioned Neko before, in fact in response to PX's request for who people wanted to vote for. The claim is only slight addition, but on top of what I mentioned in my other post that mentioned Neko, it was enough to tip the scales for a vote.
"I want you dead because you're scum, but I'm also willing to vote for this other guy that's your top scumread in LyLo"
scum can have accurate scumreads. It's called bussing.
"I don't care who gets lynched as long as I'm not the one" attitude that started at the end of D1"
look thorugh my past games (Midnight Crew and SYWTBTT). You'll see I played survivalist there too.
"continued through D2 with his absolute lack of reads and continues to the moment through poor logic"
ED2 I was completely lost in terms of reads. I'd like to know what you mean by poor logic that I haven't already discounted.
-Serela cut-
I don't really have an issue with the rest of your reasoning for voting Neko, but I think claiming the death miller right off the bat isn't something a new player would do, plus, well. Considering he's a death miller, being a Mafioso isn't surprising at all :3
It's funny though, that you think PX's vig might be so instrumental to saving us, but then say he's your second preferred lynch >.> <.< If it makes you feel better about PX, me and him are not allowed to send actions through without us both agreeing on the exact action and sending it in to the mod.
:S How did I not make that connection? Probably because last time I saw "Retired" in a rolename it was Shadoweh's game.
There's 4 people left who aren't me, and I'm guessing 2 of them are scum. PX is (IMO) 2nd scummiest right now, which is why he's second lynch target. Interesting addition to the vig power though, shame you both have no trouble agreeing on finding me scum :X
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And now, a giant wall by Vhaltz
"PX already commented on some of the stuff here, but it might have lost some of its sense upon taking it out of context since it was scattered all around the QT.
Hello there, peoples! I'm the monkey inside PX's head that spends all day telling him to post but then falls asleep before he does so, we tend to have different opinions anyway, so that's why I'm here to actually get some stuff out here.
Aside from nagging at him so that he posts in mafia, I'm also responsible for telling him to shoot the Dorian, he never stated why exactly he agreed to it, but neither did Serela or Capt h, really, so I'll just say why I thought it was a good idea even though a D1 case seems extremely outdated and bad right now.
Case on Dorian
His response to the miller claims stood out a lot. It felt greatly exaggerated when we had all signed up to this game knowing we'd find some really frickin' weird setup, and it seemed like the kind of fabricated reaction scum would use to look townie. While this wasn't really too solid a read when it came to lynching him D1, I was really set on it because we had little else to go on from the D1 content, and the only other scumread I really had was IHNN, and I'll get to why we didn't shoot him instead in a second.
I hadn't been around for most of D1, and had barely been trying to help in what I could with the little time I had, so I didn't notice something important until D1 had already ended and I came back from my exam. This thing by Dorian.
PX, I think that I know what you aimed at with your first vote and I don't see a problem with your words but that's may be because you are quite economical with them. Keep in mind that we are supposed to be a squad so a few more words to your comrades would be in every way preferable.
I asked PX in our QT whether he had actually had some sort of strategy behind his initial Neko vote, and there was none. So yeah, he had basically lied just to fluff his post up and look townie. Not liking the RP that subtly seemed to imply "Hey look at me! I'm part of the townie group!" didn't help either.
Finding Dan flipping red made the whole awkward fabricated-looking ragey reaction fit with the idea of Dan!Dorian scumteam, and his RP was inconsistent and he dropped it for no reason, too, but I didn't really notice those until after the PM was already sent so w/e.
That's not that big of a deal, why not IHNN instead?
His ED1 absolute urge to hammer not-me-over-me without waiting for Dan to claim or claiming himself was extremely scummy, so scummy that I had trouble believing that scum would have the guts to do that, because they'd get turbolynched D2. I suspected he had some important investigative power role that he didn't want to out before he got an action N1, and reading him through again while under that line of thought I found this.
ActionDan's wall, in light of his recent post feels like fluff throwing suspicion off him after the (likely?) inevitable N1 actions that will be taken.
Which was enough to convince me to shoot Dorian instead. Plus he had been the counterwagon to scum, so yeah.
For a while I considered that he might've been another alignment-switching role like Dan, but PX said even this setup wouldn't be that terrible, so I pushed letting IHNN live through N1 and force him to claim right away in D2 to see if he actually had the sort of power role I was suspecting he had.
And they agreed and we shot him and he flipped scum, so it was awesome until the whole pseudo-LyLo role implications thing started giving me a headache.
So what now?
It was so unlikely that we'd get this many scum flips after N1, we figured we can't even ensure this isn't some sort of weird "town flips red and scum flips green".
According to IHNN's role, there might be an arsonist around, one that can prime targets and set them on fire, and when thinking about that, there's the slight problem that some Mods may allow to set on fire during the day, which would explain why, having primed a target N1 and priming another N2, he could get a multikill that could result in town loss if we shot tonight and missed, and would explain that it's pseudo-LyLo right now and not pseudo-MyLo.
The issue is that I don't think Neko is scum, and seeing a role-that-indicates-that-other-role-might-be-in-game-but-actually-isn't being claimed by IHNN when knowing that the last game he played around here was Shadoweh's, I don't quite buy his fireproof claim. I thought Omba's was the same level of bad, but apparently Conq and Dormio are capable of that short of thing so *shrug*
So role shenanigans aside, because I suck at those and have demonstrated such way too much in the QT already, IHNN is definitely the scummiest. I was the one who noted what Serela said about him being in a rush meaning no time for fakeclaim and therefore hammer, and things have only gotten worse since then. Specially in his last post.
Case on IHNN
Things have changed from my N1 view on him. My initial reason for clearing him was the excessively scummy Dan hammer, resulting in Dan flipping red, but as of right now, it doesn't say much when we don't have full flips at all. He seemed to emphazise survival a lot when hammering, which makes sense for a third party, and he could've fakeclaimed fireproof being the arsonist to live onto the next day. Well, that doesn't matter much, what matters is that if we assume he's third party, all he'd care about is not getting lynched, and it fits with his recent behaviour:
- Absolute lack of stances until halfway into D2, and invoking LAL.
- Proceeding to vote for Neko for claiming mafioso. I wouldn't normally have an issue with this if a townie was so darn lost that they'd have nothing to go on at all, but the way he fluffs it up is terrible, take a good look at it.
Taking everything into account... ##Vote: Neko Claiming any sort of Mafioso worries me, you were *barely* lead suspect before the popcorn claiming and I think leaving the vig combo alive another day is the best move. I am willing to switch to PX though despite this.
It contradicts the fact that he -had- no scumreads earlier, implying he actually thought Neko was scummy earlier and proceeding to give absolutely no reasons as to why. Not only this, but his second pick is his first pick's top scumread.
"Hey, I want you dead because you're scum, but in case that doesn't work let me vote for this other guy who is your top scumread in LyLo"
Things don't add up there, and it just seems like IHNN caring about nothing other than survival, which is third party as fuck, consistent with the rest of his play so far, and is what we suspect we're looking for.
IHNN cut because PX/Serela took too long to post this for me.
I was wondering how I had missed them, but it turns out that the only reasons you gave to dislike Neko were "contributing little" and "active lurking", which add up to pretty much a single reason, which is the same that you have against PX. The only thing seemingly tilting you towards a Neko vote is his claim... which is still the same as it was in D1 except for added flavor.
I also think it's horribly unlikely that there's two balanced scum teams when one of them had a frickin' necromancer and god knows what else Dorian was, so I don't believe he'd be bussing.
Either way, we have triple the amount of posts than the thread in our QT, so we're pretty darn sure we don't find each other scum. I personally believe Neko is town: His claiming seemed genuine, he seemed helpful towards resolving issues with Dan, he started the scum lynch wagon, he waffled terribly over the PX being a neighbour issue like Serela pointed out, and in D1 he kept multiple posting, which is something I don't think he would do as scum here, because he found playing around here to be a challenge last game, and he would've tried harder to be consistent as scum, organizing all his thoughts before posting instead of doing it as he posted.
So that only leaves Omba and IHNN. We're wrecking our heads enough over whom to lynch and whom to shoot, because ITP's usually have at least one bulletproof charge to ensure that they don't get a really unlucky loss, so I can only rely on traditional casing here, and I can't really find anything I disagree with in Omba's posts, except perhaps that part where he clarified that question of IHNN's regarding the quickhammer, but Serela has a different opinion regarding that. We seem to agree that IHNN is scummiest here, and man, I'm pretty sure that as town you would've tried a lot harder te produce a case that didn't amount to LAL."
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wordswordswordswordswords
hold up while I climb this daunting wall
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I'm pretty sure that as town you would've tried a lot harder te produce a case that didn't amount to LAL."
Any and all casemaking I've tried before has backfired horribly. Admittedly, it's a skill I still need to work on, but it's not something I can do this game because there's so little to go off and I'm not seeing anything (when I tried going over posts dozens of times early I came off as having disjointed thoughts)
- Proceeding to vote for Neko for claiming mafioso. I wouldn't normally have an issue with this if a townie was so darn lost that they'd have nothing to go on at all, but the way he fluffs it up is terrible, take a good look at it.
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It contradicts the fact that he -had- no scumreads earlier, implying he actually thought Neko was scummy earlier and proceeding to give absolutely no reasons as to why. Not only this, but his second pick is his first pick's top scumread.
That wasn't the only reason. It's not a claim I exactly like, and honestly "I'm so darn lost that I have nothing to go on at all"
Neko was *slightly* scummier than everyone else at the time, and I don't see why my first pick's first pick matching my second pick is such a big deal.
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I can try to put together a case but I guarantee it'd be super-short to match the game and probably based on WIFOM and Fridge Logic.
Also I forgot to mention-I explicitly stated I did not want to invoke LaL, as Vhaltz stated the opposite.
Please, before making giant case walls, make sure you have your facts straight :V
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SURPRISE DEADLINE VOTECOUNT
I have no name (1): Serela
Serela (0):
Omba (0):
NekoNekoRex (1): I have no name
PX (0):
Not voting: Omba, NekoNekoRex, PX
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
You have ~3.5 hours to decide on a lynch.
No majority = no lynch (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&day=12&month=06&year=2012&hour=14&min=00&sec=00&p0=240)
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oh the game ends in 3.5 hours?
I thought that was only when I wanted it to end. I thought the actual deadline was like 5 hours after that.
COME ON PEOPLE GET IN HERE AND VOTE :C I'll happily vote IHNN or Omba. PX is theoretically voting IHNN so he's sort of at L-1 except not really. And then IHNN could be considered to have a not me over me vote on Omba eventually, so Omba is sort of at l-1 except not really too. And that means Omba would place a not-me-over-me on IHNN except he wants to lynch him anyway, so we already have enough votes for IHNN (kind of), so if you want Omba lynched instead you should come and vote Omba B)
:serelalogic:
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> Suddenly, walls
> skim
No name looks more scummy with each post he makes. Pretend I just voted him ry(
Serela's continuing line of thought that I may have tried to kill No name last night is slightly disturbing because of so many levels of wrong. But eh, I suppose it's what I'd expect from Serela.
Something else. Should the game not end after lynching No name and I get vigged at night, I recommend lynching Neko in the following LyLo, or maybe Serela. Either way, don't lynch PX.
I'd kind of like to be around in case that happens, but I guess you can't really let me live either. So just remember this in case that should happen.
:cut:
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Never been in a game with a hydra before
Really mucks things up with reading. I don't really like it.
Something I noticed is IHNN's thoughts on Omba, he waffles super hard on him. One day he's miffed about twitterposting, another he's hailing Obma as obvtown, the next he's putting doubt on his claim, and in the same post he's buying it.
If I'm going to have a versus with IHNN then consider my vote to be on him
Except that it's near deadline so I think I WILL put my vote on him ##Vote: IHNN
PX's text wall sheds a good deal of insight. It's consistent and I can buy the case he puts out. I'd be willing to watch the neighbor team and see what they do with their roles too, I suppose (Does this contradict my null read on claims? I sure hope not).
Gotta make sure all these cutting posts are not going to get me to accidentally hammer.
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No Name is at L-1 alert post!
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Something I noticed is IHNN's thoughts on Omba, he waffles super hard on him. One day he's miffed about twitterposting, another he's hailing Obma as obvtown, the next he's putting doubt on his claim, and in the same post he's buying it.
twitterposting I already said was the wrong word to use, and I never said Omba was obvtown.
I was doubting Omba as always Vanilla but believing that, at the time of the claim he was.
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So IHNN how would you feel about letting Omba be lynched so that you may live
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don't hammer yet, checking some posts
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Serela: If you want to pursue that line of thought, unvoting might be a good idea.
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Oh yeahhhhh you haven't voted yet I didn't think about that one.
##Unvote ##Vote Omba
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Is that a trick question?
I know either way come D3 I'm dead :V
Unless Omba is bulletproof :ohdear:
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Does this mean you don't want me lynched Omba :V
Cats like playing with yarn, rope is pretty close to that. (still hoping for that Neko lynch, no clue how to go about it because *casemaking* requires *evidence* which is lacking)
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But what if lynching Omba ended the game?!
Come on, let's do it! :D
You can't get the votes for Neko, sorry. I wouldn't, I know PX wouldn't, and Neko of course won't.
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Just another votecount
I have no name (1): NekoNekoRex
Serela (0):
Omba (1): Serela
NekoNekoRex (1): I have no name
PX (0):
Not voting: Omba, PX
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
You have ~2.5 hours to decide on a lynch.
No majority = no lynch (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&day=12&month=06&year=2012&hour=14&min=00&sec=00&p0=240)
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Cool. If the game doesn't end after No name and me are dead, proceed to lynch Serela.
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But what if lynching Omba ended the game?!
You can't get the votes for Neko, sorry. I wouldn't, I know PX wouldn't, and Neko of course won't.
That...that is a good point. If the day is consolidating onto dual me-Omba wagons then NO-LYNCH TAN IS OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE AGAIN just kidding ##Vote: Omba because I'd like to have my vote count and I'm certainly not voting myself.
fine, i guess the rex part wouldn't like the rope.
Cool. If the game doesn't end after No name and me are dead, proceed to lynch Serela.
but Serela is the obvtowniest obvtown who ever did...oh wait that's Shadoweh.
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To clarify: I just made it eminently obvious I'm not a bulletproof third party that can end the game in the following night. Which was what Serela thought I might be.
He still wants me lynched instead of No name. Which doesn't add up.
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##Vote: Omba
Sorry, but you're obstructing our path.
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in b4 flip
Serela/PX scumteam would be game for us. That would suck.
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Fuck you too. Seriously.
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Votecount: Hammer edition
I have no name (1): NekoNekoRex
Serela (0):
Omba (3): Serela, I have no name, PX - LYNCH
NekoNekoRex (1): I have no name
PX (0):
Not voting: Omba
Omba was mocked by the mods one too many times!
It is now Night 2. You have 24 hours to send in your night actions. (http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/customcounter.html?msg=&day=13&month=06&year=2012&hour=11&min=30&sec=00&p0=240)
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What is a scumbag? A miserable little pile of best ideas.
Serela finished wiping off the saw and tossed the bloody rag in the rubbish bin. Another perfectly good towel, wasted. Why did cats have to bleed so much?
"You scare me sometimes, Serela." capt. h eyed the flower garden suspiciously.
"You were totally okay with it! Besides, this is so much fun!" Serela grinned.
"I only told you not to overthink stuff too much."
"I warned you about the voices, Serela." PX whistled as he rubbed out a suspicious smudge with his shoe.
"Hey, it takes one to know one. Anyway, we still have one last loose end. You coming along, PX?"
"Vhaltz," PX corrected. "PX took the backseat a while ago."
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When they came for him, he was already waiting for them. He'd figured everything out. Everyone was scum, naturally. Perhaps it was a commentary on the violent hierarchy prevalent in the game of mafia. There is always a dominant force in the battle between two sides, and the fact that everyone was scum was a reflection of the meta. Or something like that.
"There is nothing outside the text," explained I have no name. "Scum is scum and town is town. Regardless of your true nature, if you play like scum, are you not scum? But at the same time, are mafia who think they are town not town? Words are meaningless without the context. Such is the nature of language. Henceforth we shall create new terminology to describe this phenomen-"
"Postmodern Derridean bullshit," Serela offered, lodging a bullet in no name's temple. "Also, wasn't I so obvtown this game? :D"
"This game was stupid," thought I have no name, as he bled to death on his porch.
NekoNekoRex was sent on the way to destruction Night 2!
I have no name was endgamed Day 3!
Serela survived Day 3!
PX survived Day 3!
Town Wins! FLAWLESS VICTORY
Setup and other stuff coming later.
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FUCK YEAH HI5 SERELA!
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JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAJAJA
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set-up was town slanted, scum needed a godfather
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Setup:
5 Mafia Traitors with "mod notes"
2 Town Neighbor Vigilantes
Welcome, Serela, to Best Idea Mafia!
You are aligned with the Town!
As a matter of fact, you're a Co-Vigilante Neighbour!
Some unruly folks recently showed up in your town, and it's up to you to do something about it before the problem gets out of hand.
To do this, you have the following abilities:
- Constant Vigilance: You are in a neighborhood with PX (feat. Vhaltz). You may converse with them at any time here (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/T5HNA6QeKkd2). The two of you share a night kill that one of you may perform. At night, each of you may independently PM the mod the name of the player between you who will perform the kill attempt, as well as the name of the targeted player. If both neighbors submit the same killer and target, the assigned player will perform the kill attempt; if there is a conflict no action will be taken. Lack of submission indicates compliance with any other submitted actions.
You win when all threats (survivor does not count as threat) to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck! Confirm in the thread.
Welcome, PX/Vhaltz, to Best Idea Mafia!
You are aligned with the Town!
As a matter of fact, you're a Co-Vigilante Neighbour!
Some unruly folks recently showed up in your town, and it's up to you to do something about it before the problem gets out of hand.
To do this, you have the following abilities:
- Invisible Man: Over time, PX has befriended a mysterious character by the name of Vhaltz, who sometimes "encourages" PX to "do things" that he wouldn't otherwise do. Strangely, no one else ever notices this Vhaltz guy. He occupies a little enclave in PX's mind here (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/cCKJYLitugYyS). Only PX may converse with other people in the thread.
- Constant Vigilance: You are in a neighborhood with Serela. You may converse with him at any time here (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/T5HNA6QeKkd2). The two of you share a night kill that one of you may perform. At night, each of you may independently PM the mod the name of the player between you who will perform the kill attempt, as well as the name of the targeted player. If both neighbors submit the same killer and target, the assigned player will perform the kill attempt; if there is a conflict no action will be taken. Lack of submission indicates compliance with any other submitted actions.
You win when all threats (survivor does not count as threat) to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck! Confirm in the thread.
Welcome, ActionDan, to Best Idea Mafia!
You are aligned with the Mafia!
In fact, you're a Traitor!
Once a loyal member of the mafia rank and file, you fell out of favour after you were caught visiting the Netherlands with your boss's wife while you were tired and emotional. Oops. (Super miller; will return unfavourable results from all investigations) At least they didn't force you into the fertilizer business. Still, you have work to do, and first on the agenda is taking over this small town.
You have the following abilities to assist you in your endeavours:
- Traitor: Due to your unreliable nature, you haven't been trusted with the identities of the other members of the mafia.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck! Confirm in the thread.
Welcome, NekoNekoRex, to Best Idea Mafia!
You are aligned with the Mafia!
In fact, you're a Traitor!
Once a loyal member of the mafia rank and file (cannot be recruited by cult as a result), you fell out of favour after you were caught visiting the Netherlands with your boss's wife while you were tired and emotional. Oops. At least they didn't force you into the fertilizer business. Still, you have work to do, and first on the agenda is taking over this small town.
You have the following abilities to assist you in your endeavours:
- Traitor: Due to your unreliable nature, you haven't been trusted with the identities of the other members of the mafia.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck! Confirm in the thread.
Welcome, Omba, to Best Idea Mafia!
You are aligned with the Mafia!
In fact, you're a Traitor!
Once a loyal member of the mafia rank and file, you fell out of favour after you were caught visiting the Netherlands with your boss's wife while you were tired and emotional. Oops. At least they didn't force you into the fertilizer business. Still, you have work to do, and first on the agenda is taking over this small town.
You have the following abilities to assist you in your endeavours:
- Traitor: Due to your unreliable nature, you haven't been trusted with the identities of the other members of the mafia.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck! Confirm in the thread. vote is unstealable if unrecruited
Welcome, Dorian G., to Best Idea Mafia!
You are aligned with the Mafia!
In fact, you're a Traitor!
Once a loyal member of the mafia rank and file, you fell out of favour after you were caught visiting the Netherlands with your boss's wife while you were tired and emotional. Oops. At least they didn't force you into the fertilizer business. Still, you have work to do, and first on the agenda is taking over this small town.
You have the following abilities to assist you in your endeavours:
- Traitor: Due to your unreliable nature, you haven't been trusted with the identities of the other members of the mafia.
Gains hated status when motivated
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck! Confirm in the thread.
Welcome, I have no name, to Best Idea Mafia!
You are aligned with the Mafia!
In fact, you're a Traitorcan't be primed by arsonist.!
Once a loyal member of the mafia rank and file, you fell out of favour after you were caught visiting the Netherlands with your boss's wife while you were tired and emotional. Oops. At least they didn't force you into the fertilizer business. Still, you have work to do, and first on the agenda is taking over this small town.
You have the following abilities to assist you in your endeavours:
- Traitor: Due to your unreliable nature, you haven't been trusted with the identities of the other members of the mafia.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck! Confirm in the thread.
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Yeah, agree the setup as run was town-sided. We probably should have made one of the mafia a doctor, but it slipped our mind in the conversion to 7P. Whoops.
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should've been a rolecop or roleblocker or something to keep with the theme
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So who was the one fakeclaiming? EVERYONE! But Omba. :V
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Mod QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/waZDkbr9ej7mM)
PX x Vhaltz QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/cCKJYLitugYyS)
Serela x Capth QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/zFiXyR3JRgC5n)
Neighbor Vigilante QT (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/T5HNA6QeKkd2) - This one was 390 messages long for some reason :wikipedia:
Graveyard (http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/h8WqKQeKBrsm)
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Sample
CopSK PM:Welcome, <Playername>, to Best Idea Mafia!
You are aligned with the Town!
In fact, you're the Private Investigator!
You warned them about the new folks they were letting into this town. You knew they were up to no good. But they didn't listen, and now you're stuck in this mess. Now it's up to you to do your thing before things can get any worse than they already are. This is your house, and no one messes around in your house!
You have the following abilities to get to the bottom of this mess:
- Skeletons in the Closet: You're the top dog in the business. Sherlock Holmes ain't got nothing on your talent. Every night, you may investigate a player to determine their alignment. The moderator will then publicly announce your result at the beginning of the following day.
You win when all threats to your faction are eliminated. Best of luck! Confirm in the thread.
Sample ScumTown Doctor PM:Welcome, <Playername>, to Best Idea Mafia!
You are aligned with the Mafia!
In fact, you're the Traitor Doctor!
Originally the boss's right hand man entrusted with the task of keeping him in good health, you got a little tipsy during a barkeeping gig at your boss's birthday party. So when your boss's wife came up to you and ordered a double entendre, you gave it to her! You've thus fallen into disgrace, but you're just glad you weren't forced to assume room temperature. Now they've given you another chance to prove your worth, and it all starts by taking over this small town.
You have the following abilities to assist you in your endeavours:
- Traitor: Due to your unreliable nature, you haven't been trusted with the identities of the other members of the mafia.
- Doctor: As a trained medical professional, you can cure any wound or illness as long as it's not too late. Every night, you may target a player, and any attempts on their life will fail.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck! Confirm in the thread.
It's a pity that we never got to use these roles.
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7/2 mountainous is pretty heavily lopsided in favor of ... uh, town, in this case.
At least the game was over quickly!
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also, hw for spectator mvp for catching dan as scum 8)
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imo the "town" thinking they were scum and the "scum" thinking they were town probably made the set-up even more slanted. a traitor is gonna be more concerned about keeping himself alive than lynching scum, and the people he thinks are the scum are the people he's gonna think are his buddies
so basically if people had that mindset then this game punished scumtownhunting until d2.
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I'm actually interested in who the traitors thought their scumbuddies were.
But yeah, the game would definitely have worked better with more traitors, since then they might have a Day 3 to work out stuff instead of just 2 effective days (day one of which is useless)
fwiw psuedo-lylo happened because neighbor vigs weren't technically confirmed town to each other but with the 4 person neighborhood they all trusted each other so well they might as well have been masons
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I found it amusing when the RNG decided that the two hydras should be in the neighbourhood.
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MotK Mafia needs less hydras tbh
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This game did pretty effectively show the POWER OF HYDRAS
I mean just look at that QT and imagine it with just Serela/PX :derp:
hydras so op
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"5 traitors.
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2 town masons. with a VIG between them
THATs it isnt it. "
"Curious who you think who fits in what faction for the scenarios you described in the hypothetical case they were correct (none of them were, but it makes for an interesting thought experiment). "
Pfft technicalities. "masons" = "neighbors"
I most definitely thought IHNN was my scum buddy. if not him then Serela. God damn those last two votes were awful. I admit Hw that your beef against my D1 play was legit. If I was town I might have just claimed everything in one go immediately instead of pretending I was trying to catch Neko off-guard first. Dorian was a good buddy.
I think the scum should have mass-claimed traitor D2. It was kinda obvious (note Conq mind-fucked me in the GY, but if he didn't, I would have claimed)
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My first post was me trying my hardest to scum hunt btw. I did think Dorian was scum when I voted him. And the question to Omba was legit. Similarly, I thought Serela + Px was town at that point.
Afterwards I thought Dorian was town from his response and I thought Omba was town for tearing down IHNN in 2 sec flat.
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O yeah, when Dorian said
"Px I get what you're doing with your first vote"
he obviously meant your first 'serious' vote on IHNN. DERP
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I leave for 6 hours...
WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED.
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fun stuff Capt.h.
Actually in light of the next mafia game, Px and Serela by extensive had a slightly more informed position as did I.
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man this game only took 148 posts to finish. Record low I think
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I think the scum should have mass-claimed traitor D2.
I considered this. But the possibility of multiple scum factions stopped me from doing that.
Especially because I thought that maybe my faction had 3 players, 2 of which could already be dead.
Btw until near the end of D2 I did all I could to actually catch scum. Only at the end did I go "ok, let's just hope No name dies."
Got to say I actually like the underlying idea for this setup. The balance sucked, but still, it was fun.
Well, at least now I won't have to strangle Conq and Dormio because I didn't loose to something other than being lynched or killed. :V
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Also a general thing: I don't think the non-posting parts of hydras should be allowed to talk with anyone but their hydra partner.
In practice they could still use the main head to post in the neighbour/mason/whatever qt for them, but since this is a significant bother, it would at least reduce the effectivity.
For this particular game, if the neighbours weren't so dead certain they're both town I think it would have been more balanced.
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"town reads are cheap" becomes "town reads are cheap, unless you're scumbuddies, in which case you steamroll the game"
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It's silly considering the circumstances but I feel kinda betrayed, the first time that I could play on my own as scum but no I were just ?misguided town in disguise?, how disappointing.
O yeah, when Dorian said
"Px I get what you're doing with your first vote"
he obviously meant your first 'serious' vote on IHNN. DERP
No, it was meant as, ?PX, I guess you placed you joke vote provocative to end RVS ? ? that was at last what I thought.
Also:
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Case on Dorian
... nonsense ...
No matter how ?frickin' weird? a setup may be you still need to draw the line where you say this could be true and that not so I used this as orientation just as much as I would have used it as town. The point about fluffing up my post is just plain wrong so all in all was your reason to kill me that you didn't liked my RPing.
Lazy excuses as expected from green scum.
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It was a stretch, yes, but it was several small things adding up, and it was as good as a case could actually get in this game.
Seriously about half of that QT is just me killing braincells over role stuff because I couldn't make a case worth a damn with what was in the thread. Then people started to want to lynch PX in the last 6 hours of the game so I had to type up that huge wall in a hurry when it was past midnight and I needed sleep, ending up in the mess that it was.
I also told people to stop thinking they were scum, because even if it were true, it wouldn't really change anything other than town play into scummy play that would get them lynched, pretty much like playing self-governor with the power turned off. But then Serela went batshit at the end of D2.
I get the feeling she thought both miller's were town and then said einie minnie moe
fuck I just realized we're practically the decider vote here, assuming they each show up to Not Me Over Me. whyyyy. I'm not up for that right now. EENIE MEENIE MINIE DAN.
BAHAHA :V
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To the people in the graveyard complaining about the fakeclaim, as soon as I saw it, I pretty much went "GOD DAMMIT PX WHY."
But this explains why everyone kept saying we were town. Because they knew we weren't. ;_;
There's no way you could know, of course, but the other reason is because 5/7 players are scum.
SCUM LURKING EXPLAINS THE LACK OF POSTING
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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"This game was stupid," thought I have no name, as he bled to death on his porch.
This.
This so much.
Also I'm fully aware I played like crap this game.
can't be primed by arsonist
This effectively made me fireproof even though it shouldn't have been there so I wasn't fakeclaiming either :V
Going into this all I was hoping for was not to be scum because I can't fake-scumhunt. and I got uninformed minority.
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Also a general thing: I don't think the non-posting parts of hydras should be allowed to talk with anyone but their hydra partner.
In practice they could still use the main head to post in the neighbour/mason/whatever qt for them, but since this is a significant bother, it would at least reduce the effectivity.
For this particular game, if the neighbours weren't so dead certain they're both town I think it would have been more balanced.
With how lazy PX was this game, I wonder if I would've ever gotten to do anything but ramble on and on in our QT without getting anything posted in the neighbour QT or in thread. I remember at some point I was like "you wanted a hydra to have somebody to talk to, but then you don't talk to me at all ;_;"
Props to Neko for the really successful play this game, I'd only have lynched him if I had to choose between him and Serela, and mostly just because of low activity rate, everything else was pretty solid.
Edit: Also my "case" on Dorian was genuine, I didn't even consider the possibility that we were scum by then. It wouldn't have gotten him lynched, but it was the kind of thing that irked me enough for a vig.
Edit2: And I can understand the hydra hate, I was really active in D2 this game due to... pretty much being able to slack off in what I was supposed to be doing, but I wouldn't have been able to post at all at some points in D1, nor would I have been able to post for over half of D3 if the game had continued, hence looking for a hydra instead of just playing. I wasn't really going to post in-thread either, but PX always posted while I was asleep, and then it was 5-6 hours to deadline and people wanted us lynched, so I had to do something to try not to lose.
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He wanted a hydra so that you'd play the game for him.
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More like Worst Idea Mafia amirite.
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So I'm finally reading through the QTs and apparently my ED2 was actually decent?
btw I was lying about a lot of stuff then, I saw the claim, panicked then spent the entire rest of the time trying to come up with fakeclaim+flavor and planning out my D2 opening. ...and then I went back to derping hard late D2. Like I did all D1.
Also Conq forgot to mention I'm secretly a traitor traitor :V
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I got the sneaking suspicion that the Masons were the scum team on claim, but had no idea that this was a "Scum is town" game. The red flips should have tipped me off.
I actually crumbed "I'm scum" mid D2, and I suspected Omba was a scumbuddy after he mentioned Switzerland. Too bad I missed deadline to do anything about it.
Well, good game I guess. I didn't see that one coming.
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Mod confirmation that everyone is scum.
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So who was the one fakeclaiming? EVERYONE! But Omba. :V
Welcome, Omba, to Best Idea Mafia!
You are aligned with the Mafia!
In fact, you're a Traitor!
Once a loyal member of the mafia rank and file, you fell out of favour after you were caught visiting the Netherlands with your boss's wife while you were tired and emotional. Oops. At least they didn't force you into the fertilizer business. Still, you have work to do, and first on the agenda is taking over this small town.
You have the following abilities to assist you in your endeavours:
* Traitor: Due to your unreliable nature, you haven't been trusted with the identities of the other members of the mafia.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated or nothing can stop this from happening. Best of luck! Confirm in the thread. vote is unstealable if unrecruited
:V Not quite! I just noticed this
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I still want to lynch PX, even after reread
My reasons are:
-Slugishness D1, he wasn't doing all that much, lots of sidelining.. I guess I'm guilty of the same thing today but I've been busy.
-Claim is a null read in the end, so that shouldn't really affect my decision. I'll wait for PX to answer Omba's question, he does bring
up a good point, why DID he shoot Dorian? Also somewhat wonder why if Dorian died why no scum kill?
Might be forced to pick IHNN, though, since Omba reads pretty town, and if its' a me-over-not-me then he's the only other choice.
that was brave :D