@Kiro:
Voting to put pressure on you for starters and I find you distinctively lacking in input towards the other players in this game as compared to the others.
We've all joked about Kiro always being the first to be NK'd and well, that didn't happen today. But that's meta, so let's go on.
Upon re-reading, the starting point of Nietz and Kiro's argument was that Nietz was in the opinion that Kiro was making too much fuss over too little (Nietz jokevote) and voting for him as well as trying to look as if he was scumhunting by questioning Nietz.
Kiro's counter was that why would Nietz view him as trying too hard when he himself was voting Kiro due to HIS vote in the jokephase, which is essentially the same thing. Both players, taking each other's joke vote too seriously and trying to build a case that escalated from there.
Basically I like Kiro's reply to the mass prayer conspiracy theory..
On another note about this, I initially brought this point against Kiro and Rou, but later focused more on Kiro due to the masspraying stuff. While Rou could've let the thing slip by, he kept nagging me about it, which makes him look better to me. Kiro, however, feels like he just wants to brush the issue away after his initial reaction.
this line seems funny to me... seeing how Kiro addressed it earlier... if he was willing to brush the issue away he would not have gone further to ask you the same question..
It would help with Nietz would clarify this as I'm a bit confused.
added on with Kiro's point:
Nietz: What you said about someone pursuing your "obvious joke" self-vote and treating that person as "too serious" can also be turned around to you trying to make a spectacle and baiting such a person in a "gotcha" moment and then you have an easy line of attack to go after the person. That's not real scumhunting on your part because it's inconclusive given that kind of a setup. But like I said, what's irking me is not that, but that you accused not only me, who made the vote on you, but also Rou who merely touched on you. That statement was just a blanket, "I don't like people who are making an effort this early in the game," statement which looks too much like you're trying to get just anybody who mentioned your little ploy. That's just lazy and not really being contributive which ironically is what you were accusing Rou and me of doing.
My interpretation of this is that to Kiro, Nietz is attacking anyone who tries to ask him about his jokevote by calling them 'too serious in trying to scumhunt' and i agree with Kiro's sentiment that that is inconclusive as you are being superbly defensive and just attacking them back for trying to touch you and not actively contributing to the game.
Likewise, I like Nietz reply in that he stands firm on his view on not taking RVS too seriously for scumtells... and that Kiro is twisting his words by claiming that Nietz actively dislike anyone making an effort in the start of the game, when he dislikes all who tries to act as if they are making an effort at the start of the game
All this points to nitpicking and I'm not sure whether Nietz or Kiro are scum due to the conflict... it can be orchestrated as what others have said but it's quite a tough call... unless we view Nietz and Kiro are scumbuddies...
which is entirely plausible since most of us gave them a wide berth to argue it out.
anyways.. I see no reason to vote Kiro or Nietz yet.. I can't formulate a good case from their arguments as basically it's:
Kiro pressuring Nietz for his jokevote.
Nietz not taking it easy and slams Kiro and votes him for trying to be look as if he was scumhunting at the start of the game for Niet'z own jokevote on himself
Kiro not taking it easy as well and slams Nietz for trying to slam Kiro(himself) for voting for him(Nietz) for HIS(Kiro) own Joke vote at the start of the day.
If you understood that, it's a minor miracle... but to summarize even further. The argument was centered about Nietz and Kiro each viewing each other's joke vote as serious business and acting accordingly
Kiro is slightly scummier as I noticed Nietz's call on Kiro:
So now you're saying you want to lynch me not for being scummy, but for not agreeing with you?
It can and might be a misrep but i would like Kiro's confirm on this
If there is any case here, both of them are scum. if not, both are them are townies.. so
##unvoteHOWEVER, i have reason to believe LYLO is around the corner if we don't lynch scum this round.
7 players remaining and at the end of the day it's 5 players. Seeing how Serp died, it seems Scum can kill near the dateline or anytime at all.. which is not good.
One of us can be picked off at anytime so i'm going for broke...
I'm basically an easy lynch, anyone can vote to kill me without good reasoning...
For scum I am the ideal person at endgame... so I'll prolly be targeted last.
Roleclaim: Vanilla townie
and I'm voting stuffman.
I see too little contributions for him being a bulletproof and if he IS a bulletproof, too bad.. Scum won't kill him ANYWAY now that it is revealed that he is a bulletproof and would want him lynch asap
But I don't buy his call. On re-read Serp is the only person really actively pursuing Stuff with a case on his hands and although he seems to let up, he was killed with no further explanations and calls on anyone else... No one else really went after Serp and the only person Serp actually replied to was to Kiro and Nietz.
He provided good questioning for Nietz and Kiro and to me and was promptly killed off at that.
He didn't leave too much clues but seeing he only pressured this 3... i'm willing to think he was on to something before he got killed.
Stuff wouldn't die today, or tomorrow if we do not lynch him as it is.. Scum would be in no hurry to target him and.. conveniently he can't tell us whether he is targeted or not.
Swell... I don't want to risk this.
Kill Stuff and we'll talk about the rest later. if we leave Stuff behind, who is essential unkillable unless we do something about it, he might pull an Alice on us when it is too little too late.
By killing him we are taking a Large question mark out of the equation in my book and can focus on others.
It is up to you guys whether to trust my role claim but I'm raising the stakes right here, right now.
##vote: Stuffmanninja'ed by Nietz: Hi, and this is my last post for the night... see you guys in 7-8 hrs...