Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Bunbunmaru News~ => Front Page Headlines => Topic started by: Tengukami on August 18, 2009, 08:01:12 PM
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Here. (http://www.cracked.com/funny-1750-touhou/) From the comedy geniuses who brought you ... every top 6 list someone forwards you in an email.
Thoughts?
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Touhou is now mainstream and therefore it sucks
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WARNING, WARNING. TROLLS WILL SOON COME TO THIS FORUM.
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It mentions the FMJ ON Owen remix. Therefore, it owns
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It mentions the FMJ ON Owen remix. Therefore, it owns
^This.
Besides, it did a decent job informing an outsider to what we do... Sort of. I guess I'll post it elsewhere too.
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NEWSFLASH:
nobody knows shit about Touhou until they join a Touhou forum.
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It's true. =[
Also, that article is not bad at all for an intro. Then again, cracked.com can be surprisingly non-retarded. Which is suprising, given what a rag Cracked was back in the '90's.
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This is actually serious and newsworthy, so I moved it to where SERIOUS NEWS goes.
I never thought the day would come when I would move a thread OUT of CirnoBoard.
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This is what an article about Touhou should look like. It's a perfect medium. No stupid fanwank or dumbass memes. No "lol little girls" or "every fan of this series likes child pornography" idiocy. It just tells the reader what goes on and lets them make their own judgment.
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This is actually serious and newsworthy, so I moved it to where SERIOUS NEWS goes.
I never thought the day would come when I would move a thread OUT of CirnoBoard.
YOSH! I'm breaking new ground.
I didn't think the article was *that* bad, to be honest, just that the humor was really forced. It's a semi-decent intro.
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I thought it was cute. It wasn't pushing it into anyone's face, and Touhou is still a little bit of a niche.
I'd show it around.
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I thought this was a great article.
Author does try to make a talking point by using MOF's Reimu portrait to say ZUN had to give on something for being the sole creator, but whatever.
The Lunatic screenshots even up to Byakuren's Shinki attack are a really nice touch and the author also balances in the moe pics with the insane Flandre one. Embedded videos too although I have no sound for them here at work is a nice bonus. And it goes into the crux of why Touhou is so popular: the fandom cosplay, doujin comics and games, and the video and music remixes. Pretty much covers it all. Along with the appreciation that something that by all means should be so obscure can be perpetuated so widely and for so long.
I went and showed my co-worker the article. His response:
Great article, very funny lol
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Touhou is now mainstream and therefore it sucks
Heh, I'll actually be happy if more Americans know about Touhou. This article is actually decent enough, if only to introduce what Touhou is; the rest they can learn by themselves.
Then again, I feel that ZUN has never intended to make Touhou more popular than it already is in Japan.
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o good read.
i lol'd a bit....
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Good, should had mention that is one of the hardest fight, it won't scare as much people. :V
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Nice grabbing everything off of /jp/ guys
But yeah, I rather like the intro thing. There's pretty much no bias and lets the reader interpret the series themselves.
Drake tangent time, I actually think I would rather Touhou not get too much more popular. It's not the kind of game that would be popular/mainstream or even get many people to play at all. What we would get instead would be even more generalizations and stereotypes than ever before, and terrible people that need to stay away from anything good. We have enough Walfas drones already. I mean, popularity would be nice in some aspects, but just seeing it as it is, it would be mostly a bad thing. Even though more people technically means more art, music, fanworks, projects, and more acknowledgment of the western fanbase, the terrible people come in droves more than people that would actually do stuff. The balance of power is already delicate enough as it is.
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I kinda like how obscure Touhou is right now. I mean, I barely ran into Flandre's theme on Youtube before I got into Touhou, and I don't even remember how I ran into it.
As for the article, I like most of it. It's pretty quirky but it tells it how it is. Yes, we are a crazy bunch.
However, HOW DARE THAT COSPLAYER MAKE REIMU A WHORE.
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However, HOW DARE THAT COSPLAYER MAKE REIMU A WHORE.
Like she wasn't already. But that's why we love the little red-white~
Y'know, I kinda would like Touhou to become at least a little more mainstream than it is right now. I mean, for one thing it'd increase my chances of finding someone to talk about it with IRL (crazy idea, isn't it?)... But for some reason it just seems like one of those cult things that never gains mainstream success but makes up for this by having an incredibly loyal and devoted (and, um, completely batshit insane, but that's why I love you guys~) fanbase.
...Nice article, by the way.
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Drake tangent time, I actually think I would rather Touhou not get too much more popular. It's not the kind of game that would be popular/mainstream or even get many people to play at all. What we would get instead would be even more generalizations and stereotypes than ever before, and terrible people that need to stay away from anything good. We have enough Walfas drones already. I mean, popularity would be nice in some aspects, but just seeing it as it is, it would be mostly a bad thing. Even though more people technically means more art, music, fanworks, projects, and more acknowledgment of the western fanbase, the terrible people come in droves more than people that would actually do stuff. The balance of power is already delicate enough as it is.
Indy fag syndrome. When you hate the thought of your fandom becoming popular and therefore making your love less indy.
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The article is good. I think the author could have chosen different pictures to show fan works, though. For example: IOSYS is just one of the musical groups, but not the easiest to listen too, and while he states that Megamari and SM(arisa)W feature Touhou characters, only Marisa and a fan made enemy appear.
But that was just nitpicking, for I approve the written content.
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Hopefully an article like this means we'll get a nice wave of people who understand the series rather than people just in for the music.
Carefully hidden amongst the inevitable trolls. >_>
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More people here...more people here...IS AN INVASION!
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I like the part where it mentions little girls and little girls and instead of raping little girls they rape you and little girls and DID I MENTION LITTLE GIRLS? Why do you want to fall under this stereotype?
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I like the part where it mentions little girls and little girls and instead of raping little girls they rape you and little girls and DID I MENTION LITTLE GIRLS? Why do you want to fall under this stereotype?
To be fair, it is kinda true. >_>
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Drake tangent time, I actually think I would rather Touhou not get too much more popular. It's not the kind of game that would be popular/mainstream or even get many people to play at all. What we would get instead would be even more generalizations and stereotypes than ever before, and terrible people that need to stay away from anything good. We have enough Walfas drones already. I mean, popularity would be nice in some aspects, but just seeing it as it is, it would be mostly a bad thing. Even though more people technically means more art, music, fanworks, projects, and more acknowledgment of the western fanbase, the terrible people come in droves more than people that would actually do stuff. The balance of power is already delicate enough as it is.
Indy fag syndrome. When you hate the thought of your fandom becoming popular and therefore making your love less indy.
Not quite, but nice try anyways :V
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I like the part where it mentions little girls and little girls and instead of raping little girls they rape you and little girls and DID I MENTION LITTLE GIRLS? Why do you want to fall under this stereotype?
Yes, that. That's what I mean about the forced humor. But hey, it's Cracked, so I don't expect it to be side-splittingly funny or anything. As a 500-word article about Touhou it more or less covers the bases.
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Touhou is already too popular with the "wrong people" and has been for years. But then that's how it spread to most of us :P So more people knowing about it can't hurt too much, as I highly doubt mass appeal will cause ZUN to create NintenLolis to satisfy a vapid fanbase.
Also, this article fails because it shows a vid of the Flandre fight, which is about the least impressive thing you can show anyone about Touhou from the last seven years and violently conflicts with the earlier statements that the bosses have "beautiful" and "hard" patterns. (Well, the "hard" is accurate enough but it's not obvious from the vid.)
I also think there is a bias to the article, namely in its insistent reminders that everyone is a loli and the fanbase has just about every kind of "wrong" thing you could expect from horny and mindless geeks.
u?kurri thinks this article takes it too easy.
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The guy was pretty well informed if only a bit too error prone. I love the twist at the end though and for what it's worth, at least it gave me a good laugh.
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dohoho
factual errors all over the place, in the article and the comments
article sucks, first picture is awesome
pretty sure this was a joke
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Cracked.com
Americans Only Humor & Video Site, Since 1958
I'd think so. Still funny though. I doubt one article will bring any mass number of new fans though.
The underweight comments about Zun made me laugh. If he really is 110 pounds then I weight the same amount he does. Think I could take Zun in a fight?
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it gave me a bit of a laugh. some factualy errors but i was expecting that.
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If he really is 110 pounds then I weight the same amount he does. Think I could take Zun in a fight?
Not unless you're as drunk as he is.
It's pretty tough to fight someone who feels no pain and has relatively fewer inhibitions.
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relatively fewer inhibitions
Well I have one half down, but I don't drink.
So Zun would likely hit me over the head with a bottle and get a danmaku idea out of it.
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So Zun would likely hit me over the head with a bottle and get a danmaku idea out of it.
Time to send you to Zun so we might get the next game sooner. :V
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So Zun would likely hit me over the head with a bottle and get a danmaku idea out of it.
You clearly haven't seen Uwabami Breakers.
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It was an interesting read. And it did seem like a simple enough introduction.
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So Zun would likely hit me over the head with a bottle and get a danmaku idea out of it.
You clearly haven't seen Uwabami Breakers.
I read the wiki but reading only gets one so far.
I guess I'll watch a LP.
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I like the part where it mentions little girls and little girls and instead of raping little girls they rape you and little girls and DID I MENTION LITTLE GIRLS? Why do you want to fall under this stereotype?
Yes, that. That's what I mean about the forced humor. But hey, it's Cracked, so I don't expect it to be side-splittingly funny or anything. As a 500-word article about Touhou it more or less covers the bases.
The only thing this article managed to do is make Touhou fans out to be even more creepy than they already are conceived. By putting any emphasis on "little girls in an anime game", it basically cast a nice pedophilic shadow on the entire fanbase, and the factual errors certainly don't help at all. If anyone of you think this article was good, then you need to think again, because all it did is make you, the Touhou fan, sound like you live in a waifu thread.
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I like the part where it mentions little girls and little girls and instead of raping little girls they rape you and little girls and DID I MENTION LITTLE GIRLS? Why do you want to fall under this stereotype?
Yes, that. That's what I mean about the forced humor. But hey, it's Cracked, so I don't expect it to be side-splittingly funny or anything. As a 500-word article about Touhou it more or less covers the bases.
The only thing this article managed to do is make Touhou fans out to be even more creepy than they already are conceived. By putting any emphasis on "little girls in an anime game", it basically cast a nice pedophilic shadow on the entire fanbase, and the factual errors certainly don't help at all. If anyone of you think this article was good, then you need to think again, because all it did is make you, the Touhou fan, sound like you live in a waifu thread.
I can't tell if this is a fakepost or not.
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I found the article reasonably amusing.
Same goes for this thread!
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like you live in a waifu thread.
and that means any and all persons who register and post in forums are too.
because there was an article on anime before, or rather a multitude of them.
Cracked.com = drama in a box.
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I sense the article is balancing between good and bad. I cannot quite judge it due to various things being said about it. Though it is lacking also information regarding the PC-98 games as well.
The comparison portraits and FMJ U.N Owen made me giggle to be honest. Generally I hate the remixes.
Letty, I don't think the article makes it even more creepy. As once people start googling/searching for Touhou movies such as in game replays or pictures they will bump into the little girl pictures themself.
Though they could have used a different Reimu portrait in there, like from PCB, IN or UFO.
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It's meant to be a "satirical" article. It's not completely unbiased but at least they actually bothered to go farther into the fandom than just "these sick fucks draw pedo art all day". They also at least highlighted how deep and pervasive the fandom is, and how much it covers.
All and all I have to say it's not a bad article from an "outsider's" view. Yes it gets some stuff wrong and it's still fairly biased in the "little girls" theme but you know that's the VERY first thing everyone hooks on when they first find out about Touhou. And it got a lot of stuff right, like how an entire genre of music is built around remixing ZUN's original songs to almost ANYTHING, and how it's basically it's own culture at this point with all the trappings and nuances and just seemingly odd but perfectly natural to fan things.
I don't think you could have expected a better writeup from a bystander to be quite honest.
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I agree with the above, the culprit is one of "us". It's a parody of an original Touhou introduction article that was used in some US convention.
Original articule is a bit outdated but still remain quite accurate, while in this one the author used a troll image with danmaku "shinki ufo" example.
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it's not a bad article from an "outsider's" view.
This is probably what we are lacking. Most of us have a strong passion for Touhou that we forget the objective and outsider point of view for people who know 0% about the game. Every article about Touhou will be bashed at one point because we are too hardcore as a community.
People would be rather scared of it I guess =P
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the "little girls" theme but you know that's the VERY first thing everyone hooks on when they first find out about Touhou.
It seems I'm not everyone.
Satirical or not, I agree with ZZ.
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I think maybe ZZ's reading too much into the little girls thing. It's like we're trying to hide the fact that the cast is made of young girls, kinda feels alot if Gundam fans would try to hide the fact that there's Giant Robots in it. I'd be happy about the fact that it tried to state a difference between loli H-games and Touhou, which seems to be pretty rare in about most write-ups about the game.
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This is actually serious and newsworthy, so I moved it to where SERIOUS NEWS goes.
I never thought the day would come when I would move a thread OUT of CirnoBoard.
What about my birthday thread? Wait, that was because I was stupid to make it in the Cirnoboard :V
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You guys pick too much at the "little girls" thing. Why is that? It's not like Touhou isn't full of little girls despite their age and class.
And where are all the innacuracies?
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You guys pick too much at the "little girls" thing. Why is that? It's not like Touhou isn't full of little girls despite their age and class.
Speaking for myself:
Stylistically, because the author flogs the "little girls" thing repeatedly, as if the reader didn't understand the joke the first few times. Repeating a not-especially-funny joke several times doesn't make it funnier. And on that note, a lot of Touhou fans have to put up with that "lol pedo" crap from other people as it is, so this doesn't help.
Also, this: "Unlike most popular Japanese PC Games, Touhou isn't an Erotic Dating Game or a Rape Simulator" just smacks of the same tired, played out, "lol japs is weird amirite" joke that's obviously trying to be edgy and satirical but just falls flat.
Taking just the facts of the article into account and removing the embarrassing attempts at humor, it's a passible introduction to Touhou. But the author tries too hard to milk one weak joke for more than it can give.
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And on that note, a lot of Touhou fans have to put up with that "lol pedo" crap from other people as it is, so this doesn't help.
Adding on that about half of the images in the article reinforce the "lol pedo" message, or at least make us look creepy.
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Speaking as someone who is planning a Manly Brouhou Reimu costume for Otakon 2010 (I have chest hair and a guy's build, so if I cannot be a trap, I might as well be MASCULINE) I wouldn't oppose more guys in Touhou. We get it, the girls' outfits are pretty to look at and they're cute eye candy. It's easy for outsiders to read "Eww, pedo" and that's where suppressing your power level comes in.
If you're running around the street in a Yukkuri T-shirt, waving a gohei you made out of a twig and Superglued paperboard, shouting "MARISA STOLE THE PRECIOUS THING" while blazing U.N. Owen on your boombox and danmakuing with pebbles, then you deserve to have people think you're creepy. If you're a total hikki who makes no attempt to have human interaction other than printed fanart of your favorite Touhou, then you deserve to have people think you're some fanboy. If you're a denizen of the Internet who just enjoys Touhou and the mythos/characters/music/game, then you're already on Poolswimmer or MotK and guess what? You just enjoy the mythos/characters/music/game. You can like whatever you like but if you're going to be an outwardly forceful douchebag about it (e.g. "TOUHOU IS GREAT AND STUPID WESTERN GAMES SUCK, SUWAKO IS MAI WAIFU IRL" or, turning things around, "YIFF YIFF YIFF HAY GUYS COME CHECK OUT MY FURSONA I DREW ART OF IT HAVING SEX WITH A UNICORNOCEROUS THAT HAS SONIC THE HEDGEHOG'S SNEAKERS AND HAIR") then you're not suppressing your power level, you're being a shitty example for the rest of us, but in the end, do we care what the rest of the world thinks?
That's pretty much all there is to it. If you are any of those and you feel bad because some random schmucks on the Internet think you're pedo, you should get the hell off the Internet right now and stop opening yourself up to interaction, because strangers are always going to think worse of you for something. Hell, I think anyone who whistles or hums needs to be run up a flagpole by the underwear and shot at with fire ants because they are terrible people. Replace "anyone who whistles or hums" with "Touhou fans" and "needs to be run up etc." with "are pedo" and you see what I mean.
Somewhere out there, a lot of people don't like what you're doing - eating meat, creating carbon emissions, playing Touhou, going on 4chan and ED, wearing fur, driving American cars, driving Japanese cars, driving European cars, taking the bus or subway, etc.
Like what you like as long as it does no direct physical harm to yourself or others, and to hell with what the Internet thinks of your hobby.
Viva freaking Touhou, man, seriously. I enjoy this fandom and I enjoy interacting with other Touhou fans. I don't know half of what you're all talking about, but that's okay because I'm still learning, and it's fun being here and reading.
Viva Touhou. VIVA! VIVA!
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That was a very articulate outburst.
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On the other hand I'm not sure what you're driving at. If you act too much like a freak, you invite abuse? I'm not sure how many people on this board fit the descriptions you made here, but none of the Touhou fans I've met do. I'm sure they exist, don't get me wrong. But I think we're allowed to take issue with cheap stereotype milking.
Like what you like as long as it does no direct physical harm to yourself or others, and to hell with what the Internet thinks of your hobby.
Well yeah. No one here's going to drop out of the fandom because of a Cracked article. And I don't see anyone raging too hard about it. For me it's a stylistic issue and just a sigh of, "Oh, this shit again ..." I know it comes with the territory. Would just be nice if the article was actually funny, if it's going to be satirical, instead of reaching for the low-hanging fruit. But you can't win 'em all.
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Oh, I wasn't saying that people should drop the article, more like "So what if they think you're pedo - you know you're not and that's all that matters" (Unless you ARE a real pedo, at which point you'd better stay the hell away from my future sister-in-law, and save the "is she hot" for CPMC, TYVM).
The article didn't seem like Cracked's usual Top X lists... I think they were playing into the Digg-going Internet crowd to the point of "lolololol original creator cannot draw, he drinks liquor and develops games, I CAN DO THAT WITH C++ IN A WEB 2.0 APP, UPVOTED" as the whole bit o' funny, with a touch of "silly yellow people" thrown in.
See, the good thing is that to my knowledge, nobody on the board DOES act like that, but those who do (they're probably not on MotK, I guess) are the ones who invite it upon themselves, while poorly reflecting upon us. It is on them where our derision should focus, IMHO.
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Agreed.
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I think the article is pretty good actually. I read it, and after reading this thread, re-read it. And neither time did I feel like it was really going on and on about being about pedophiles or little girl fantasies. It spent a great deal of the article complimenting the serieis, and everything to do with it as a whole imo. The little girl part was the only exception, which really wasn't beaten like a dead horse IMO.
Personally my beef with it was that it portrayed that alot of the fan-made stuff is smutty or whatever. Of all cosplays I've seen before before, which granted isn't very much since I'm not even into anime that reimu one is by far the most smutty cosplay I've seen, then the hentai reimu/sakuya thing immediately after just put the over-emphasis in that department into overdrive IMO.
But maybe my general noobness in the touhou universe is in the wrong and there really IS that much hentai/sluttycosplay/etc in this department...I doubt it.
Overall though I didn't really think that this article labels touhou fans as pedos, or even LIKELY pedos compared to anybody else, and believe me. I'm sensative and am prone to take things personally, so you do the math >=P.
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This is indeed a great introduction for someone willing to be introduced into the world of touhou. It has the right mood/feeling/touch/tone, the atmosfere of the touhou fanbase actually^^. Touhou should become a little more poplular in some regions such as my homecountry. I see way to few cosplayers on the cons.
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Little girls are awesome so it's all good
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I have a friend who doesn't even wanna play Touhou thanks to this article and now thinks that "Touhou is little girl shit for weeaboo's"
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Kinda sounds like your friend had a few visits to somewhere like 4chan before seeing that article, especially since the article never even mentions anything about weeaboos or has that sort of tone to it.
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Yes, he sounds like a very unreasonable person who probally shouldn't be using the internet since 85% of it is anime and weeaboo shit.
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Who says "weeaboo" anymore anyway?
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Who says "weeaboo" anymore anyway?
I do, but I've never been very "with the times".
It looks nicer than "wapanese", at least.
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I have a friend who doesn't even wanna play Touhou thanks to this article and now thinks that "Touhou is little girl shit for weeaboo's"
Of course, putting it without specifying your friend's mental state may make it sound solid.
Well guys, like Ghaleon, I read the article and didn't think of pedophilia until I read your comments. Are you sure you aren't being paranoid?
Also, this: "Unlike most popular Japanese PC Games, Touhou isn't an Erotic Dating Game or a Rape Simulator" just smacks of the same tired, played out, "lol japs is weird amirite" joke that's obviously trying to be edgy and satirical but just falls flat.
And can you tell otherwise?
First, the article is directed at the "halo-boy", that guy who never played anything of japanese origin with exception of Mario games (because everyone played those).
Second, pornographic cartoons from Japan are prominent. Before Pok?mon came out, I already knew about hentai anime, and I was a kid still. Not only that, even serious games feature "sexual" themes; take Soul Calibur 2: not satisfied with some characters exposing their skirts during fights, there are some revealing pictures in the unlockable gallery.
Third, you need to do research to find out that geishas aren't equal to prostitues, and even that isn't really a fact in every situation.
Can you really blame anyone for thinking they're strange?
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First, so?
Second, there's "prominent", and then there's "most popular Japanese PC Games [are an] Erotic Dating Game or a Rape Simulator". I realize it's hyperbole for satirical effect - my point, again, is that this joke is tiiiiiiiiired.
Third, what the hell do geishas have to do with anything?
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This is what an article about Touhou should look like. It's a perfect medium. No stupid fanwank or dumbass memes. No "lol little girls" or "every fan of this series likes child pornography" idiocy. It just tells the reader what goes on and lets them make their own judgment.
^This, Touhou is about Danmaku, not Lolicon
Unlike most popular Japanese PC Games, Touhou isn't an Erotic Dating Game or a Rape Simulator. In fact, instead of letting the player rape little girls, the game RAPES YOU... metaphorically speaking...
Danmaku games + Loli Girls = Serious Business. But I Repeat: Touhou is a Danmaku Game, not a Hentai Game.
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If it's worth mentioning, I smiled at it saying that Nitori was Touhou's answer to TMNTs.
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I see a visible hitbox in the EoSD video.
(http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll65/momijitsukuyomi/disgustedchina.png)
see, I told you I'd use it, Slaves
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I see a visible hitbox in the EoSD video.
Now that's what I call SERIOUS business!