I'm clicking on the cancel button but nothing is happening.
You cannot escape mafia Dormio.
Suck it.L-lewd...! :blush:
Kaguya Houraisan Lunatic Princess.
You are Kaguya Houraisan. You live kind of a sheltered life in the Eientei Mansion. One morning you woke up and couldn't see any color except for green. The life is ruined for you, you can't distinguish between eating a normal mushroom and a poisoned mushroom. There is no difference between a red pill and a blue pill...
Alignment color - Green.
Night Abilities.
None.
Passive abilities.
Princess of the Eientei. You don't have any abilities of your own, since Eirin and the rabbits do all the work for you.
Win condition.
You win when all threats to Green alignment are eliminated.
Screw you, mate.hey mate no internet bullying its not nice
Bloody lazy wankers sleeping in until 8AM.
Dormio, are you hated in *YLO?Nein.
Huh, was the question scummy or what is the reason for your new vote?The more I thought about it, the more I didn't like the question.
I should mention that I have a post restriction that isn't part of my role as far as I can tell. It's not 100% cosmetic either and doesn't seem pro-town.
There's a lot of votes on you so surely there's a reason they're there right
...right?
Being too busy to play mafia, ho~
##vote:Dormio
There's a lot of votes on you so surely there's a reason they're there right
...right?
This logic is sound imo
##vote:Dormio
But seriously, I have no meta to vote with so I'm just following the train.
The more I thought about it, the more I didn't like the question.
So I voted for him.
Everyone else should too.
I've grown bored of picture posting already.
ActionDan, state the nature of your post restriction, because if you fake it, I'll find it.
Moridin and Serela are blatant bandwagon jumpers "because there's a lot of votes there"─we can excuse jokevotes on Dormio (and even Dormio's self-vote!), but there's no place for blatant "I'm following the largest pile of votes" behaviour.
I should mention that I have a post restriction that isn't part of my role as far as I can tell. It's not 100% cosmetic either and doesn't seem pro-town.Why would you have a post restriction which isn't part of your role as of Day 1? I'd have expected a non-town restriction effect to start from Day 2.
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The more I thought about it, the more I didn't like the question.
So I voted for him.
Everyone else should too.
Moridin and Serela are blatant bandwagon jumpers "because there's a lot of votes there"─we can excuse jokevotes on Dormio (and even Dormio's self-vote!), but there's no place for blatant "I'm following the largest pile of votes" behaviour.*shrugs*
Especially since it's coming out of RVS.RVS?
My PR will involve referencing the red colored enemy plenty as well as using a certain punctuation symbol in each post I make. Try to guess it!
That's the cosmetic part. The other bits I am not disclosing presently.
I should mention that I have a post restriction that isn't part of my role as far as I can tell. It's not 100% cosmetic either and doesn't seem pro-town.
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And while [<insert person here>] asking about the purpose of a voteswitch in RVS is a little odd, it's hardly a scummy thing.Are you talking about yourself here?
My PR will involve referencing the red colored enemy plenty as well as using a certain punctuation symbol in each post I make. Try to guess it!
I haven't seen you reference the red-coloured enemy yet. Are you fibbing already?
I was commenting on things that happened which caught my attention while I was gone.Is that so? Cause I think it's never odd to ask someone to explain his vote.
And I was talking about Dorian asking about Dormio's voteswitch. In other words telling Dorian 'It's nothing odd it's not really scummy IMO'.
-_-
Ugh, dealing with all you losers is going to be a pain. Can't you all just die and spare me the trouble?
Your face is ugly, your mother smells of elderberries, and you're probably not going to make more than 5 posts today and that's awful.Everything in this post is true. q.q
I've grown bored of picture posting already.That's kind of a shame, you were probably doing the best job of making use of a post restriction I've ever seen.
Uh, why is being third on the wagon scum again?http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Bandwagon
Riding on a bandwagon can be a form of scumtelling (following others to vote without a reason), and it may also be considered a form of towntelling for the lynched. The theory behind this is that, if the person being bandwagoned is town, then the members of the mafia would vote quickly to make sure that the townie gets lynched fast, and the bandwagon will occur fast. If the person being bandwagoned is mafia, the mafia would try to stop the bandwagon from occurring or stall it, in order to stop their partner from getting lynched.To be honest, I don't think that "bandwagoning" works out as a MAFIA strategy unless you get someone lynched quickly by doing so. If THAT happened then yes, it would be a good "scumtell".
Uh, why is being third on the wagon scum again?
I mean; is Dormio scum for being 3rd on your wagon? Or how about Schezo on Serela?[/quote[
You don't have proof that they all aren't scum together~
Not that that was the point.
Why are you voting Zakeri when he's voting Makassa for being third on the wagon and Makassa isn't even voting?
QuoteI mean; is Dormio scum for being 3rd on your wagon? Or how about Schezo on Serela?You don't have proof that they all aren't scum together~
Not that that was the point.
To be as blunt as possible, I have to use at least one "!" per post I make + not call the informed minority by a typical colloquialism that I'm sure everyone is familiar with. Red colored enemy / evil bastards / make your own euphemism here will all suffice.Ah, okay, I misunderstood as well. I thought you had knowledge of who a Red player was (at least rolename-wise) or something weird like that, but now it's obvious you can't say the word 'scum' or 'mafia'. Weird role restriction, sounds boring.
Much like Pokemans had an effect attached to his PR that wasn't cosmetic, there is an effect attached to this one as well, which I'm not disclosing.
If I say "My PR", Raikaria, it's because I have it currently, not because it is part of my Role PM. Next time if you wish I can say "The PR" instead.
I haven't seen you reference the red-coloured enemy yet. Are you fibbing already?
Well he's already contradicted himself.
I should mention that I have a post restriction that isn't part of my role as far as I can tell. It's not 100% cosmetic either and doesn't seem pro-town.That'd be that. Or is it that you guys thought (like NNR above) he meant a specific Flavour Name?
My ego isn't that big, maybe you're mistaking me for Marisa. I wouldn't know why, though.
My PR will involve referencing the red colored enemy plenty as well as using a certain punctuation symbol in each post I make. Try to guess it!
I am roleplaying, I expected people to just 'figure it out' not threaten me for it. Geez, you're interrupting my beauty-nap for this?
That'd be that. Or is it that you guys thought (like NNR above) he meant a specific Flavour Name?
Also I don't like early PR claims on principle, but I don't have time right now to go into why.
^Might want to fix your vote then [...]Aimed at Bard.
Dan stated it doesn't not seem to be part of his own rolestated it does not seem*
Why would the mod possibly have it be in effect in *YLO when that would be auto-win for scum?*sigh* No, no it won't. Only in LYLO.
Morrison on the other hand almost has a joke like: inb4 quicklynched over empty unvote scumtell but it's true. Like it feels gross for no reason and I like this better now that Serela has content and isn't just a bandwagon jumper anymore.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Morrison
...Sorry but I have to disagree here, all I see is that he jumped from one wagon to the next best with a reason that I find kinda qestionable.
Morrison on the other hand almost has a joke like: inb4 quicklynched over empty unvote scumtell but it's true. Like it feels gross for no reason and I like this better now that Serela has content and isn't just a bandwagon jumper anymore.
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Active lurking is worse than passive lurking, because it's trying to look like doing something without actually doing anything.well there's also the very notable part where it's totally not far in enough to accuse anyone of passive lurking
I should mention that I have a post restriction that isn't part of my role as far as I can tell. It's not 100% cosmetic either and doesn't seem pro-town.
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I'd like Dormio to talk some more. Be more active. Post in mafia you nerd.Fuck you.
TL;DR -- ActionDan is lying about his PR, and plans to use anti-town abilities. Let's lynch him.ignoring the fact that actiondan may or may not have a post restriction. why would i lynch action dan for having claimed anti town powers he obtains at some point? im pretty sure scum arnt that ballsy
TL;DR -- ActionDan is lying about his PR, and plans to use anti-town abilities. Let's lynch him.Wait, what? There's some serious jumping to conclusions going on here. The best motivation for claiming a flimsy post restriction (PR) like that would be that it actually exists, not "because scum wanted to set up a claim from D1". Didn't he say the PR had no relation to his role anyway?
And if he is town then he appears to be painting a night kill target on his back which isn't too exactly a useful thing to be doing at this stage either >_>
Dan's restriction holds for now so nothing on that but I was thinking on Dormio's SB vote. [...]I can buy that Oarfish would have made you look more into the post restriction, but first quote is an unrelated remark that feels a lot more like a "by the way...!" adding-fuel-to-the-fire sort of thing, which means you went from the mindset displayed in second quote to "oh yes" pretty fast, if you see what I mean. Consult Bard's "opportunity" post for more information.
Then take a look at this (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121102.html#msg1121102) and tell me, what had Zakeri to work with that SB didn't had?Then there's this transition into "but why did you ignore other active lurkers".. which wasn't the point. By that logic, you could be voting anyone on the Zak wagon, or probably most wagons at this stage.
Well, I definitely dislike Moridin's "me too" attitude in following Serela's logic of voting the biggest wagon, but even so you're suddenly distancing yourself from it with no content besides.This part. Where? If it's the little blurb Schezo said he liked, that's not "suddenly distancing" at all.
And if he is town then he appears to be painting a night kill target on his back which isn't too exactly a useful thing to be doing at this stage either >_>
Anyway, I quite like that second paragraph on so yeah.
##Vote: ActionDan
But you vote Zakeri for doing nothing, cause we all know what a whirlwind of activity he usually is day one, ? oh wait, he isn't.
So why is it better to ?vote Zakeri for being Zakeri? than to vote Raikaria for the same reason?
Why is it so scummy if someone comes in late with a joke vote when we have player like Dan and SB who are still siting on their joke votes?
Don't worry SB, the best reads so far are the ones on Serela and the other guy for bandwagon hoping.
##Vote Raikaria
I find Raikaria's focus on ActionDan's claimed post restriction to be scummy.
That he withheld his vote during the entire exchange in the early stages of the game makes me think that Raikaria was waiting for somebody else to take the first step in voting Dan for ~role shenanigans~.
More importantly, I think that Raikaria wanted to be confident that at least one person agreed with his point of view before committing himself to it.
ignoring the fact that actiondan may or may not have a post restriction. why would i lynch action dan for having claimed anti town powers he obtains at some point? im pretty sure scum arnt that ballsy
on a kinda related note obtaining powers at a later point isnt that weird the same thing can happen to me two
Dan's restriction holds for now so nothing on that but I was thinking on Dormio's SB vote. At first I thought SB's was a good question but thinking about Dormio voting him for it and later saying why I'm now wondering what the point in asking was. Why would the mod possibly have it be in effect in *YLO when that would be auto-win for scum? Seems like a redundant question to make a contribution.
Also ##FoS on SB for having no scumreads and not doing anything else productive. At least comment on the current votes in place or something, or comment on any of the weird quirks.
I dislike how Bard votes the wrong person but then decides "oh well he's scummy anyway" rather than fixing it. It feels like he's missing his usual conviction.
Also to elaborate: I don't like Zakeri because of the 'jokevote' and because of his quip about Serela and 'someone else' [Mordin] wagon hopping and bandwagoning when they had only placed an RVS vote. Bard also accused them of this but Bard hasn't done other things I don't like.Indeed I am suspicious of this as well. I have not have time yet but I'm going to go through everyone who complained about "bandwagoning" of myself of Serala.
The last game here with a hated townie didn't turn off in *YLOWhat's a *YLO?
What's a *YLO?MyLo - Mislynch and Lose.
Fuck !*evil laugh*
!Yep. Much worse.
I can't break it again or worse things happen
How can one be wagon 'hopping' when one has only placed a single vote? Accusing Serela of jumping on the wagon, which was nowhere near the edge and was clearly a jokevote in RVS is one thing, but accusing someone of hopping around wagons is quite another.Sorry, I used the wrong word. I meant something like "Hopping onto the biggest wagon with literally no reason or content", not the actual act of hopping onto wagon after wagon after wagon. I didn't think it would be that confusing since the entire game has only had one sizable wagon at the point I said that.
Dorian's case. It bothers me because the whole double standards thing isn't really relevant. It would be pointless pressing Raikaria over taking someone too seriously, but it isn't-so-pointless to press Zak for skimping on content.Well, the double standards thing was indeed a misunderstanding on my end but it's quite nice of you that you want to tell me what's the point of my case.^^ The problem is, if Serela intended to push a lurker for content then why didn't he picked one who wasn't already covered?
Then there's this transition into "but why did you ignore other active lurkers".. which wasn't the point. By that logic, you could be voting anyone on the Zak wagon, or probably most wagons at this stage.
...I'm not voting Serela for voting Zakeri, your misrepresentation is noticed. And if you not saying that I'm scum with Zakeri then what's so interesting about that?
Also worth mentioning that Dorian is voting Serela for voting Zakeri, and both Dorian and Zakeri seem to be using the really bad wagon hopping case against Serela. [Zakeri's use being even worse but he's not actually voting on it.]. Not saying they're scumbuddies but it's still an interesting sign.
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Am I mixing up Dorian and O4rfish?It seems so. At last your vote post would make more sense since I can't remember having said anything about Dans PR.
Moridin, what's the ETA of you being able to read through the thread and updating your vote?Errm, 4 to 8 hours I guess? Unless people at work decide to go drinking. Then it will be tomorrow.
Here's an obligatory 'where is Rawr' post as well.Not posting because that would be such a waste of a lunch break 8)
So why is it better to ?vote Zakeri for being Zakeri? than to vote Raikaria for the same reason?
The problem is, if Serela intended to push a lurker for content then why didn't he picked one who wasn't already covered?I can think of... a lot... of reasons. How is this an argument? It's playstyle difference at best and "oh I didn't notice" at worse, which both alignments do anyway. Let's say we're looking at Serela's Zak vote right now - what do you find off about it? If you've dropped your original argument about the double standards, I have no idea what you're doing right now.
Wow for someone who would rather sleep all day I sure am working harder then I have in the past few games.You sure? I'm wondering, because that's not the impression I got. Do you think you've done a lot by pointing out superficial flaws? This isn't actually a jab as much as it's me trying to understand the way you percieve your content. It wouldn't be the first time I've seen you do this, but if you think highly of something that isn't really outstanding scumhunting-wise, but IS impressive by the number of reads... when I'm scum, I value my posts based on how presentable they are, not how closer I feel to finding scum, for obvious reasons. This has been a bit roundabout, but I believe you can see why I find this interesting now.
On completely unrelated notes:Does Raikaria do this a lot?
- I think I know who NNR is at this point.
- The number of townreads I have has increased since I last spoke about my townreads.
Does Raikaria do this a lot?
Cause I don't see any reason to keep information about who you think is and isn't TOWN to yourself. Even if there is, saying "I know but I'm not telling" seems pointless.
It's day 1 right? Shouldn't all abilities be only usable during the night phase?
While there was a N0, I don't know how many people got to act during it.
Wait a second.
It's usual in these games for the mod to say they died during 'N0' to kick off the game and the 'plot' and looking for the culprits.
So it seems a little odd you would talk about 'N0' actions when there is no mention other than this plot coupon that a 'N0' ever existed during what must have been the confirmation phase.
The only reason you would think someone could act during the confirmation phase is if you yourself had a role which could do so. Because that is far, far, far from the norm here.
Raikaria: Because instead of just saying 'confirmation phase', the opening post says 'it is now Night 0'. This caught my eye ages ago because that's a different opening than most other games. Check for yourself, it's right there.
Is MOTK town never going to actually look at the opening posts of games?
It's now Night 0 and it's a confirmation phase. Once i have their confirmation from 15 people i'll start the Day 1.
Wait a second.it had possibly have been N0 since dans first post started off with a ! and that was only 20mins after the game had officially started
It's usual in these games for the mod to say they died during 'N0' to kick off the game and the 'plot' and looking for the culprits.
So it seems a little odd you would talk about 'N0' actions when there is no mention other than this plot coupon that a 'N0' ever existed during what must have been the confirmation phase.
The only reason you would think someone could act during the confirmation phase is if you yourself had a role which could do so. Because that is far, far, far from the norm here.
I knew about N0 but I was under the impression it was just a term used for the Conformation Phase. I did not think anyone would act during it since I have never seen a game where someone can act during the Confirmation Phase.
More chance he'll survive the night if he's important.it couldnt possibly be that important, he did say it was anti town :V
it couldnt possibly be that important, he did say it was anti town :V
Here's two good reasons.If you get killed by MAFIA before bringing up your reads though...
If people voice opinions on who is town, that person is less motivated to prove themselves as town, so stops putting as much effort into the game.
If people voice opinions on who they think is town, that person becomes a very good target for the scum nightkill due to town's confidence in that person.
I did not act during it, so uh, sorry. Bubble burst.I figured he was lying about it not relating to his role. That he wanted to talk about his post restriction but didn't want to give people an idea who is character was, since that would give them a hint of his abilities.
This is basically what everyone else was expecting and Dan had said anyway, I just said that Night 0 was a thing. Did you like...not realize this?
Either a cunning scum gambit, or a power originating from an anti-Town player.Those would be the same thing, considering a power has definitely been used and a Town player would probably have claimed by now.
Either way, I think it's sufficient reason to say AD is probably not the scum we're looking for.
If you get killed by MAFIA before bringing up your reads though...
What exactly says that ActionDan is not scum?I believe the idea that is MAFIA wouldn't use it on a MAFIA player and that if a TOWN player had that ability, they would have claimed it by now.
People who are dead usually have their reads ignored though.Wouldn't you trust them more? At least they are reads from a confirmed TOWN player right? Assuming he flips TOWN of course.
If I'm not mistaken then the main reason why a day one no-lynch sets town back is the lack of wagon analysis, right?It seems like Dormio was third on the wagon so he must be MAFIA.
So what kind of analysis do you hope to get out of ?this Dan wagon??
What exactly says that ActionDan is not scum?
Wouldn't you trust them more? At least they are reads from a confirmed TOWN player right? Assuming he flips TOWN of course.just because they are confirmed town doesnt make them correct.
Having played here for years, the reads of dead townies usually doesn't mean much unless they were, like, a cop whose reads might include significant hints at their results.At least they aren't intentionally wrong. And you'd think that MAFIA would try and hit dangerous TOWN players first.
We aren't really SURE that ActionDan is TOWN, so we are probably going to end up lynching him anyway.1.I'unno, I think this is a pretty good reason to not end up lynching him anyway? Unless he starts looking super scummy or gets incriminated via roles or something I guess, it's not like he's ~*~confirmed town~*~ but this is a pretty decent indicator so I can't see myself wanting his lynch in the future without a -very good reason-.
Also we get to confirm a few things by doing so.
1) ActionDan was TOWN
2) Some player has the ability to put a vote restrictions on other people
3) There was a Night 0 and some players were able to do actions
Checking through all anti-ActionDan posts would also be worthwhile if he was confirmed as TOWN.
3.Not as useful as you think it is. Townies try to lynch other townies all the time. Not to mention this happened before the day really got started, so... all you have to look at are the people who wanted to vote Dan because of him having a PR for some reason. And that's already scummy by itself imo.
That it's unlikely a Pro-Town player randomly hit ActionDan with a malign post restriction instead of (reasonably) not deploying it Night 0. It probably originates from Scum, given how incredibly anti-Town this ability is.
06. Everyone is compulsive and can use only one night action during the night, unless specified otherwise.And it's hardly "incredibly" anti-town considering how easy it should be to not break it. If it was a scum ability why choose one of the players likely to make way less posts to muck up?
But I want to ask Massaca why he thinks I painted a target on my back whenI took it as that you gained additional abilities for completing the restrictions. To me these seem likely to be better than what most people would have gotten free since you have to work for them, or at least I assumed past today. Do you know if you would have had another restriction come tomorrow or was it today only?
1) If I claim additional anti-town ability/power/effect/whatever why the dastardly bastards trying to kill us all would actually want to off an anti-town "/"/"/"
2) Everyone has some kind of role anyway.
Everyone's compulsive, yet I didn't send in any Night 0 actions. That seems suspect to me; someone deliberately used their ability Night 0 to hamper ActionDan with a negative ability.
Are you attacking me because of this post? (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121249.html#msg1121249) Because if you are, I think you should address its points rather than say "it was bad, and since we've already proven Dan is town, therefore O4rfish is scum"You're seriously overreacting here.
And it's hardly "incredibly" anti-town considering how easy it should be to not break it. If it was a scum ability why choose one of the players likely to make way less posts to muck up?its anti-town because it gets the player killed if they do manage to mess up. though youre right why would scum target actiondan with a post restriction?
If I had a post restriction placed upon me by someone else, and was not restricted from claiming it, then claiming it is the first thing I'd do. The fact that town gets tangled in knots about it is their own fault, and completely ridiculous response from town. (You say it's bad because it distracts town; the real issue here is town shouldn't be having a conniption over someone having a non-intrusive PR) Voting the person over being simply given a PR is also ridiculous (before it was modconfirmed and could be a lie, there had been nothing claimed that would give any reason for someone to bother lying about it)Well, I disagree.
Is there a good chance that he is scum? I say there is.
I interpreted those posts in a way that made me suspect him.It looks to me more like, "I suspect him, so I interpreted those posts in the way I did", rather than those posts being the cause of suspicion. Fabricated suspicions, if you will. You're not exactly clear on why a Townie wouldn't do the things Dan did but Scum would, and why the (reasonable) alternative of a Scum!Dan not even mentioning the restriction is impossible.
Every time Sky Paladin posts I half-expect some drunken rambling about painkillers and aphrodisiacs followed by proclamations of his undying love for Dormio-nee-chan.
Let's examine what Dan has actually done this game: an RVS vote. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121008.html#msg1121008)
Pointed out his PR. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121041.html#msg1121041)
A prod, or request for explanation, or whatever you call those kind of posts. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121049.html#msg1121049)
Two (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121072.html#msg1121072) separate posts (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121088.html#msg1121088) explaining his PR, and hinting at additional effects.
I interpreted those posts in a way that made me suspect him.
He posted less of a rebuttal than more explanation, and asking Massaca to defend his content. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121316.html#msg1121316)We respond by explaining our PR some more, unvoting our RVS, and incidentally breaking our PR.
He then launches a flurry of posts that get CF7 to scold him in public. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121318.html#msg1121318(including this one)[/url)
He makes a post saying essentially nothing, (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121387.html#msg1121387) which also makes him occupy the chopping block.Finally, we say "oh, I'll defend myself later, can't be bothered to do it now" even though for a Town player, helping the other Town to make the right choice in this instance would be nigh all-important, second only to scumhunting ... which he doesn't do either.
Then he has some other posts about game theory.
Calling my reaction scummy, aside from being wrong, is kind of beside the point: today we can only lynch Dan or Nobody, so we should be examining whether he is Town enough to save.
Are you saying your reading comprehension was so good you actually did discern that meaning then?To me it seems really simple because there's just no other possible conclusion to come to; he clearly stated it was not part of his role, therefore it must have come from someone else. D: I'm not trying to be offensive or anything but it's like 1+1=2 to me. Then (in a different subject not related to you afaik) there's people still unsure about whether n0 actually existed and was actionable, and I'm just like "uh, Dan is modconfirmed to have gotten post restricted, the most clear explanation is that yes, when he said it was n0 it was an actual n0" and I don't understand what other realistic possibilities there even are.
We respond by explaining our PR some more, unvoting our RVS, and incidentally breaking our PR.um, this is crazy biased, it reads like you're saying Dan is scummier for having broken the PR (even though as scum, I cannot fathom why they would risk being made the only possible lynch- sure, this is actually playing out with a good chance of Dan not getting lynched, but it's so insanely suicidal and unnecessary)
We don't argue for how town we are. We don't say how unlikely we are to be scum, or to have intentionally faked a PR on ourselves. Instead, we activate it, which DISPLAYS how we are unlikely to have put it on ourselves.
I'd say 'we could just not trigger it again' but I'm well aware who I'm playing with.I know very well how easy it is to accidentally forget to make a tiny difference in the post, especially when it's just a tiny side comment or EBWOP or something. As easy as it theoretically would be to avoid this happening again, it's entirely possible it would despite anyone's best intentions upon receiving a restriction.
I know very well how easy it is to accidentally forget to make a tiny difference in the post, especially when it's just a tiny side comment or EBWOP or something. As easy as it theoretically would be to avoid this happening again, it's entirely possible it would despite anyone's best intentions upon receiving a restriction.
Let's examine what Dan has actually done this game: an RVS vote. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121008.html#msg1121008)We are ActionDan, and we are scum. We have some scum friends as well.
Pointed out his PR. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121041.html#msg1121041)
A prod, or request for explanation, or whatever you call those kind of posts. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121049.html#msg1121049)
Two (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121072.html#msg1121072) separate posts (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121088.html#msg1121088) explaining his PR, and hinting at additional effects.
I interpreted those posts in a way that made me suspect him.A town player has accused us of being scum, essentially. Not exactly what O4rfish did, but since we ARE scum, it is exactly what he did. This means option 1 is no longer valid, and to get to option 3 we decide to go through option 2. If the PR wasn't actually in place before, it is now.
He posted less of a rebuttal than more explanation, and asking Massaca to defend his content. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121316.html#msg1121316)Our scum friends can probably ensure that, either we don't get lynched (which means we get to use Option 3 and also get to use up Town's no-lynch) or we DO get lynched and they get some amount of bus credit.
He then launches a flurry of posts that get CF7 to scold him in public. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121318.html#msg1121318(including this one)[/url)
He makes a post saying essentially nothing, (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121387.html#msg1121387) which also makes him occupy the chopping block.
Then he has some other posts about game theory.
We are ActionDan, and we are scum. We have some scum friends as well.
What do we do first, aside from an RVS vote? Let's have someone put a Post Restriction on us, or announce that someone has. Our plan: assuming we don't violate the PR, we can (1) use it to disguise the source of day powers or whatever. Alternatively, we can (2) violate the PR intentionally to use up Town's no-lynch. Alternatively, we can (3) say "oh scum put a PR on us, we must be town" so our plan has options.
A town player has accused us of being scum, essentially. Not exactly what O4rfish did, but since we ARE scum, it is exactly what he did. This means option 1 is no longer valid, and to get to option 3 we decide to go through option 2. If the PR wasn't actually in place before, it is now.
Our scum friends can probably ensure that, either we don't get lynched (which means we get to use Option 3 and also get to use up Town's no-lynch) or we DO get lynched and they get some amount of bus credit.
Admittedly this is a stretch, but I think it is somewhat likely.
We are ourselves again. Our two options are Lynch Dan or Use Up Our No-Lynch.
Lynch Dan: he might be scum, or he might be Town but Not Worth Saving. Both of these cases are covered by my two recent posts.
No-Lynch: Saving Dan is better than mislynching him. Scum probably put the PR on him, so he is Probably Town.
Admittedly this is a stretch, but I think it is somewhat likely.
Oarfish is crazy.
Every time Sky Paladin posts I half-expect some drunken rambling about painkillers and aphrodisiacs followed by proclamations of his undying love for Dormio-nee-chan.Oh... he does that here as well?
I think moridin still doesn't understand the post restriction entirely actuallyYeah opps. Was confused about some things.
I'd feel that massaca and oarfish are ok town to me. no reason to hit dan with a post restriction and try to lynch him. only reason i could see this happening is if they knew he had some super cool role but thats pretty unlikely. this is also assuming actiondan would flip town."Only reason..." are you sure? There's plenty of reasons to do that. If I were scum with knowledge of the restriction I don't think it would affect my play around Dan any. In fact, the best way to make someone post more and slip up is by interacting with them. So this seems like a really weird clear to rationalize.
I'd say 'we could just not trigger it again' but I'm well aware who I'm playing with.Hold, hands. :colbert:
You now know that ActionDan's Post Restriction has the Effect of making him the only lynch target: why is it reasonable to assume Scum!ActionDan paid so little attention to preventing a duel with No Lynch-tan and make himself into the D1 lynch?To be fair town would be careful too, but in this case, actually, scum would have to be doubly aware, not just because of the usual burden of teamwork but because this is something they had planned to do, so obviously he mustn't fuck up. Yeah, I'm pretty certain now.
You admit it's a stretch that apparently the grand plan here is to soak up the no Lynch (which btw, is not awful because we have even numbers and is a threat to scum too because everyone loses on the 2nd no lynch)A pretty horrible thought that comes to mind is that we can actually go full defeatist mode and force-make everyone lose if town is locked into a mislynch that loses the game. Mislynch or rocks fall? Rocks fall. It would not be very good sport-y however.
Oh... [Sky] does that here as well?I knew those silly "here are four options: <infodump>" lines from your earlier posts looked familiar, that's what Sky did in his first game here. Don't do that. Explain what the likeliest possibility is instead of listing all of them.
A pretty horrible thought that comes to mind is that we can actually go full defeatist mode and force-make everyone lose if town is locked into a mislynch that loses the game. Mislynch or rocks fall? Rocks fall. It would not be very good sport-y however.
I don't have time to readthrough the posts right now, but I'd like to encourage everyone to talk about who they would rather lynch.
why did you felt the need to jump on a belated joke vote as it were a scum claim or somethingI think you're taking the votes a little too seriously here, an ED1 vote almost certainly isn't going to be terribly solid but you're still going to vote it because it's better than jokevotes.
Once again, the double standard was a misinterpretation on my and but still, justifying someones behavior as in ?he was just joking, it's not a big deal.? Just to go ?Why are you only joking around now?? To vote said someone still strikes me as odd at best.You're not getting what my point was. Raikaria's reaction was over-the-top and kept going and digging, but it was at a silly joke- from other people imo that'd be votable but then I remembered Raikaria is always like that. The person who was sitting around just making jokes is still bad in themselves. If it had been someone other than Raikaria they BOTH would be been voteworthy. Just because I vote A due to their reaction to B does not mean I'm defending B.
Notably, why would scum aim for someone they want to not fuck up instead of people who they want to force the lynch on?Oh I think I see what you're talking about. Nah, I said "someone they really trust not to fuck up" as in "someone [on their team] they.." because I was talking about gambits. They can theoretically give the restriction to someone and make them seem town. But yeah, then it'd be suspect because why not give it to a schmuck, good point.
Oh I think I see what you're talking about. Nah, I said "someone they really trust not to fuck up" as in "someone [on their team] they.." because I was talking about gambits. They can theoretically give the restriction to someone and make them seem town. But yeah, then it'd be suspect because why not give it to a schmuck, good point.
I'll read Dorian's and Serela's posts later because I'm fake-busy at the moment.
...I get this point but it leads me once again to a question that I already asked, so let me ask you again as simple as possible.
You're not getting what my point was. Raikaria's reaction was over-the-top and kept going and digging, but it was at a silly joke- from other people imo that'd be votable but then I remembered Raikaria is always like that. The person who was sitting around just making jokes is still bad in themselves. If it had been someone other than Raikaria they BOTH would be been voteworthy. Just because I vote A due to their reaction to B does not mean I'm defending B.
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Is there actually a difference between hammering no-lynch and letting time run out?
Is there actually a difference between hammering no-lynch and letting time run out?
Tried to reread from day 5 onwards, still got nothing.
##Vote: ActionDan
Would prefer to have his flip and this situation cleared up as I still think the restriction more likely came from town than scum and that he's not cleared in any way.
Even though no-lynch is pretty much certain now.
The last several ones before CF7's #291 say 2 hours 36 minutes for me.
Caution: 8...er...16...hours? (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?niso=20140824T10&p0=166&msg=Day+1.) Something's up with the timer, mine's saying 16 hours to go, now.
but o4rfish might still be voting me if we weren't in the PR situation sowhat in the world am I even talking about
Because why would scum even consider targetting town Dan with the restriction? But he seems like one of the safer options for a townie to target.
That's all I've got.
"Only reason..." are you sure? There's plenty of reasons to do that. If I were scum with knowledge of the restriction I don't think it would affect my play around Dan any. In fact, the best way to make someone post more and slip up is by interacting with them. So this seems like a really weird clear to rationalize.it already seems strange for scum to give action dan the post restriction in the first place. it also doesnt make to much sense for scum to come out guns blazing voting action dan liek oarfish and massaca did.
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Alignment color - Red.
Night Abilities.
1. (-). Invisible Wire ~ Be the Puppet. You control one of the players during the night. They perform their night action on the player of your choosing.
2. (+). Hanged Hourai Dolls. You protect your group with 1 time bulletproof protection for the duration of the night. You can not use this ability for the next two nights after the successful use.
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...Oh dear, who turned Schezo into a scum tree stump? That's hilarious.
07. Schezo. Became a spirit on N1.
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P.S. Spirits can still talk in the thread.
Oh, that's a pleasant surprise a change.^^Oh dear, who turned Schezo into a scum tree stump? That's hilarious.You talking about this?
And when I'm already at the ?who did something at night?, who of you didn't knew that you aren't supposed to visit the miller at night? I mean it's not that I didn't warned you.
However, I got an appointment, I'll be back in around 2-3 hours.
A quick skim of Schezo's ISO and the way he approached the Dan situation makes me feels like Oarfish and Moridin/Massaca are town (whichever was attacking Dan heavily, I forget which.) On skimming I thought Moridin's effort read more like newbtown anyway.Oarfish and Morison I think.
Zak your jokes go way over my head. I'll just stick to listening to dr rawr's :V
However what I wouldn't really say Moridin has done anything wrong more than he hasn't done anything at all. He just has a don't give a fuck attitude going on that I can respect and don't really have a bad jive with.
Well I can't imagine scum would hit themselves with a vote restriction that would make them hated and the only lynch target if it messed up.
Unless someone who is town set such a restriction on him. They would probably claim it by now since I'm pretty sure they knew what would happen if Dan broke it. So I'm inclined to believe scum set that on him since even if he isn't lynched it's still a setback to town.
Schezo switches his vote to Massaca having allegedly mixed them up.Bard made the same mistake but instead of changing his vote, just decided "eh, Moridin's scummy too". Which I wanted to bring up again since he never responded.
However; I do think him talking about 'listening to Dr Rawr's jokes' is interesting enough to pursue as a potential buddyslip.When I saw this looking back I just assumed it was a meta joke of previous games.
In fact for that matter Rawr hasn't done much at all; joking or not.:dealwithit:
did you read like any of the past few pageslike i did read some of it and like so like so what chaore?
However; I do think him talking about 'listening to Dr Rawr's jokes' is interesting enough to pursue as a potential buddyslip.hey raiakria maybe we should all hold hands and have all our brain power flow into you just to make you realize just how lame of a statement this is
hey raiakria maybe we should all hold hands and have all our brain power flow into you just to make you realize just how lame of a statement this is
How is it a completely silly statement to say 'Schezo says he's listening to Rawr's jokes. Schezo is scum. Scum share a quicktopic. Rawr is not telling jokes here. MAYBE he slipped and Rawr is scum too.'its silly because its you making up a reason to try and vote me. quit being desperate to try and find a reason and go make a real one.
Mods:Can spirits do anything other than talk?/shrug
Raikaria I'm sorry but this is worse than Shadoweh's mind control beams.
##Vote:Action Dan
yea ill role with this
Even if the no lynch or actiondan lynch were both favorable to scum i think schezo opting for the no lynch when both were pretty even on votes is suspicious. the hard defense from schezo from oarfishes case help 2
I'm not voting Serela for voting ZakeriOutside of meta and the Zak wagon he doesn't bring up a good reason why Serela is scum
I feel like he's been pushing easy cases based on bad play (Oarfish, among others) rather than looking for things that are actually scummy.
... Dorian [Basically same as Day 1; despite saying he'd vote no lynch he never actually did] ...Geez, learn to read Piefke. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121404.html#msg1121404)
Also, your suspect list wasn't really clear, could you tell us what ?Get Out? and ?To Be Pichuu~n'd? actually meant?It's varying degrees of how much I want you gone because you're probably up to no good and making more work for me.
So when you are already at it, could you tell me which other game events I discounted?All the Dan stuff, to start. You've not had anything to say outside anything happening in the Zak wagon or people directly interacting with you.
Bard made the same mistake but instead of changing his vote, just decided "eh, Moridin's scummy too". Which I wanted to bring up again since he never responded.
Did you really think we were equally scummy and just not care which of us you were voting?
It's varying degrees of how much I want you gone because you're probably up to no good and making more work for me.I see, it's only too bad that it didn't worked last night, don't you think so?^^
I know that Massaca wasn't actually everyones BBF, that's why you suspected him, didn't you. What kind of jerks must he got as buddys that they let him sit on an empty unvote all day.I suspected Massaca for reasons that have already been stated. Is it scummy for me to have a scumread that lots of other people do?
But earnestly, you should know me better by now, always one thing at a time.You should know me better, I account meta for as little as possible when I play.
So apparently I have to be constantly watching the thread at all times to make sure nobody can say anything i think before I do, huh?
Apparently it's wrong for me to get on people for having no content too?
Also something is unsettling me about Dorian's miller claim. It seemed a little early to instantly claim 'hey I'm a miller guys don't bother copping me.' The voices in my head are saying Dorian may not be honest about this.What's strange about claiming miller off the bat? It's pretty standard here to claim miller asap so this is a little strange.
Even if the no lynch or actiondan lynch were both favorable to scum i think schezo opting for the no lynch when both were pretty even on votes is suspicious. the hard defense from schezo from oarfishes case help 2I'm interested in knowing why you auto-assume that Schezo opting for no lynch over lynching ActionDan points to Dan scum with Schezo instead of Schezo whiteknighting town!Dan. The reasoning for lynching Dan that people were pushing at the time was flimsy enough that there'd be a strong backlash against anyone who pushed the lynch through if Dan flipped town.
ignoring the fact that actiondan may or may not have a post restriction. why would i lynch action dan for having claimed anti town powers he obtains at some point? im pretty sure scum arnt that ballsyto this:
on a kinda related note obtaining powers at a later point isnt that weird the same thing can happen to me two
##Unvotesince the logic doesn't make sense to me. people are saying why would scum hit dan over anyone else, but if you're going to ask that question, who would be a better target?
##Vote: Actiondan
So far no one has claimed to have a post restriction so lets wait and see when more people post.
I'd feel that massaca and oarfish are ok town to me. no reason to hit dan with a post restriction and try to lynch him. only reason i could see this happening is if they knew he had some super cool role but thats pretty unlikely. this is also assuming actiondan would flip town.
hes potential scum because in the off chance thatI agree that dan isn't "confirmed town" (and I'd like him to post more because he's easy to read when he posts a lot) but a) there's practically no reason for a town post restrictor not to have claimed at that point in time given the huge mess it caused, and if you're assuming it's a self-inflicted role that gives him anti-town powers, why would scum get that role and how is that more likely than scum inflicting it on town?
a. the post restriction was town given and they dont want to come out
b. it could have been self inflicted and in the event that he fucks up it could lead to the no lynch and make it out safe. he also mentioned getting anti town powers with the post restriction
im also pretty afraid after this action dan may get some kind of town clear later on int he future which could be bad since he isnt town confirmed.
Could I get a run down on why I should sheep to our No lynch overlords now instead of you know, saving this when some schmuck fucks it up again in the future? Like, why is Saving Dan's life overwhelmingly the best choice here.Since when was saving town's no lynch important in any game here? Also, lynching a townie is even better for scum than a no lynch since it increases the scum:town ratio, so I have no idea what you were trying to say here.
We're giving this post restriction a LOT of power if it hits us again by wasting our No Lynch this early in the game. This is overwhelmingly a win win for Scum either way, assuming it is scum-motivated, but uh if we us No lynch here we give them even more power if we fuck it up again in the future by having no out if this happens at a critical point in the game.
It feels like he's fumbling around trying to flesh it out abit, essentially? He's just like piecing little bits while he comes up with something. That last part about not calling scum scum also feels weird, but I can't put my finger on why.Where it feels like he's brownnosing really hard. Also, not calling scum scum as a post restriction is pretty classic: I'm sure Shadoweh can tell you all about it.
I need a whole hand for the numbers of FoS I have.Happy if you could expand on these when you get back.
I'm interested in knowing why you auto-assume that Schezo opting for no lynch over lynching ActionDan points to Dan scum with Schezo instead of Schezo whiteknighting town!Dan. The reasoning for lynching Dan that people were pushing at the time was flimsy enough that there'd be a strong backlash against anyone who pushed the lynch through if Dan flipped town.i didnt auto assume anything, i also thought about schezo just protecting town dan but reading schezos #259 put me off alittle. The post pretty much defends against the lynch but he doesnt really try to justify actiond dans posts. he also mentioned how he doesnt want to mention actiondan and avoids any opinion of him at all.
I also want to know how you flipped from this:i just rethought about it and decided that he could be potential scum and lynching actiondan could be impossible later on in the game.
to this
but if you're going to ask that question, who would be a better target?im not answering this because its a really lame question and you know it. but to further on that quote why would scum oarfish and scum massaca continue to vote dan after he had a proved post restriction and was almost about to get killed for it? and if you ask me why not i am going to rip my balls off attach some string to them and dip them in hot water till i get tea
I agree that dan isn't "confirmed town" (and I'd like him to post more because he's easy to read when he posts a lot) but a) there's practically no reason for a town post restrictor not to have claimed at that point in time given the huge mess it caused, and if you're assuming it's a self-inflicted role that gives him anti-town powers, why would scum get that role and how is that more likely than scum inflicting it on town?well i thought about all available options and decided on one. i would also like to think actiondan would give himself a post restriction just to gain super powers.
but to further on that quote why would scum oarfish and scum massaca continue to vote dan after he had a proved post restriction and was almost about to get killed for it?Are you saying that if oarfish and massaca town then Dan has to be scum? :V I don't think oarfish is scum at least. Massaca I have to look at again.
Well I can't imagine scum would hit themselves with a vote restriction that would make them hated and the only lynch target if it messed up.
Unless someone who is town set such a restriction on him. They would probably claim it by now since I'm pretty sure they knew what would happen if Dan broke it. So I'm inclined to believe scum set that on him since even if he isn't lynched it's still a setback to town.
Schezo basically confirms Dan town for us.I don't see how that follows. Schezo has a post where he says Dan is Town because obviously Scum put the PR on him, but this isn't that post. This is the post where he says Scum put the PR on him. Raikaria, do you think Schezo is telling the truth here, or do you KNOW Schezo is telling the truth here?
*Shrug* Fine. Back to the drawing board then. I have to decide which of 2~3 people I was unhappy with at the end of D1 is worst of the bunch.I thought you said you "digested" the new information from n1. What about the fact that Schezo voted to NL? That implies that voting to lynch ActionDan is LESS scummy than voting to NL.
These people being Dormio [Voting to lynch Actiondan; lack of scumhunting and the laughably bad vote on me in #152 which I instantly rip apart and I'm pretty sure no-one commented on (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121291.html#msg1121291); Dorian [Basically same as Day 1; despite saying he'd vote no lynch he never actually did] and Zakeri [General lack of scumhunting; the whole jokevote thing, and he was pretty pro-lynching Actiondan if I recall]
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And yes the other people voting Actiondan lost townie points in my books as well, but none of them either stand out in the scum territory yet, or have some interaction with Schezo which says 'I doubt they are buddies'.
@Serela: Mhmm, that makes at least a bit more sense but still, you consider that Raikaria overreacts a lot and excuse it. But you vote Zakeri for doing nothing, cause we all know what a whirlwind of activity he usually is day one, ? oh wait, he isn't.
So why is it better to ?vote Zakeri for being Zakeri? than to vote Raikaria for the same reason?
Why is it so scummy if someone comes in late with a joke vote when we have player like Dan and SB who are still siting on their joke votes?
Morrison on the other hand almost has a joke like: inb4 quicklynched over empty unvote scumtell but it's true. Like it feels gross for no reason and I like this better now that Serela has content and isn't just a bandwagon jumper anymore.
Sorry but I have to disagree here, all I see is that he jumped from one wagon to the next best with a reason that I find kinda qestionable.
Oarfish, read my response to rawr as to why Schezo voting to no lynch over voting ActionDan is not damning for ActionDan. Put simply, scum can white knight town.
Raikaria has spent six posts over several sessions attacking Dorian plus a bunch mentioning how he's voting for Dorian, but they're all about the same issue: Dorian's case on Serela. Which is Dorian asking why Serela is seeming to give Raikaria a pass.these are connections that only really matter after one of us flips scum though is the thing
This by itself is bad play by Raikaria, not necessarily scummy, unless you choose to view it as Raikaria and Serela defending each other.
Also inb4 accusations of a chainsaw defense.
______________________ but I'm going to look more into it after I sleep.^me
This entire day information has been falling out of my skull, even after having read the thread up to now, I can barely retain anything that's happened day 2.
Are you saying that if oarfish and massaca town then Dan has to be scum?naaah im saying if dan were scum or town there actions dont make sense.
Dorian spent only two posts attacking Serela. Raikaria has spent six posts over several sessions attacking Dorian plus a bunch mentioning how he's voting for Dorian, but they're all about the same issue: Dorian's case on Serela. Which is Dorian asking why Serela is seeming to give Raikaria a pass.
This by itself is bad play by Raikaria, not necessarily scummy, unless you choose to view it as Raikaria and Serela defending each other.
I thought you said you "digested" the new information from n1. What about the fact that Schezo voted to NL? That implies that voting to lynch ActionDan is LESS scummy than voting to NL.
It seems scummy to me for someone to suspect exactly the same people on d2 as on d1, given the fact of a scum flip.
What's strange about claiming miller off the bat? It's pretty standard here to claim miller asap so this is a little strange.
I have a reason to doubt the authenticity of Dorian's claim.
I don't like how Raikaria is taking Schezo's words as obvtrue, given that HE IS SCUM.
Raikaria, are you ASSUMING that Schezo was giving Town insight into the Scum thought process, or do you KNOW he was?
When you link to Schezo saying "getting a free nl or a lynch on not scum doesn't sound that bad to scum to me" are you aware Schezo was trying to persuade people that ActionDan was not scum?
Given this, I think I am justified in attacking you for listing pro-Danlynch as being Scummy in this post. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121974.html#msg1121974)
Also, after rereading Zakeri he jumped to the top of my lynch list. I'm not voting Chaore because there's actually something I've been waiting on from him to see if my recollections are correct.The only person he mentioned with some criticism in that post was Dorian, other than that just expressed dislike for one of Raikaria's lines and questioned it.
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I'll word this more properly later when I have time, but in summary his votes have been pretty empty so far. Particularly his last Moridin vote which is basically a prod poke, even after he had content complaints with other people in the same post. I don't think town!Zak would do that.
Uhhhh, this is probably stretching the bounds of logic a lot. Not the slightest bit convinced of it myself. An interesting idea though.As if to keep the suggestion open for him to either continue with it or completely dismiss it, whichever is needed.
I'd be inclined to go for an ActionDan lynch.
We aren't really SURE that ActionDan is TOWN, so we are probably going to end up lynching him anyway.
Also we get to confirm a few things by doing so.
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I'm kind of inclined to lynch ActionDan just so things will be less confusing. If he could make a clear and convincing explanation/summary of everything I'd change my mind.
Let's just say I have it on good authority that Dorian may not be a miller.Just noticed this real quick, was thinking before that his #321 was all kinds of weird:
And when I'm already at the ?who did something at night?, who of you didn't knew that you aren't supposed to visit the miller at night? I mean it's not that I didn't warned you.Like "hey, imma PGO, thanks for visiting"* weird since the only role affected by a miller is cop right? MafiaScum Wiki doesn't list any dangerous variations of it on the Miller page but admittedly I didn't look further than that.
I'm saying Schenzo was apathetic to the lynch either way. He voted on both sides, although he ultimately voted for No-Lynch.
No, he didn't. Schezo never voted for Dan. Schezo never even posted anything impugning Dan. I'm not even sure why you think he did, unless to you "Morrison" somehow means "ActionDan". Or unless Schezo was lobbying in the Scum QT in favor of lynching Dan but you persuaded him otherwise.
Tell me Raikaria, is this some sort of weird scumtell?
So many people not posting or barely posting. Where's Chaore.
I would also greatly dislike to divulge the exact reason at the present time due to it being role-related. If Dorian can be lynched without people giving more information to scum I would be happy about it.Before you blurt out your big revelation just to go, ?Oh wait, ? never mind? after it again, like you did so often this game. Just hypothetical, what kind of evidence could be there to prove that I'm not a miller? Perhaps a ?innocent? on me?^^
Let's just say I have it on good authority that Dorian may not be a miller.
...It would only be a chainsaw if Serela is scum indeed, so do you think Serela is scum and if yes, why?
If Raikaria was just attacking Dorian in response to Dorian attacking Serela, that would be a chainsaw defense.
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Just a quick thing before I have to go again.Before you blurt out your big revelation just to go, ?Oh wait, ? never mind? after it again, like you did so often this game. Just hypothetical, what kind of evidence could be there to prove that I'm not a miller? Perhaps a ?innocent? on me?^^
So many people not posting or barely posting. Where's Chaore.
I'd read the current slapfight but I'm still waiting for O4rfish to come up with a case for having voted me earlier, or some effort to say why my retort to SB was inadequate. Else, it just looks like a lame votepark. After claiming "an entire hand" for FoSes, it's lame O4rfish produces so very few suspects.
A replacement is being looked for Chaore if you check the primary thread.
Scum replacing out, huh.
Except I didn't vote the wrong person, I just thought it was worse than I thought it was. Still bad, but not as terrible.Bard gives props to Serela, confuses Dorian for O4rfish, and attacks Dormio who is voting Raikaria.
Serela's sounding frighteningly competent, I almost want to vote him for not being a waffle-iron perpetually waddling around in utter confusion.
I'm lost on why we're voting ActionDan precisely. Dorian's case seems to be made up wholly of conjecture and what he claims to be personal bias, and he leaps very suddenly into "ActionDan has a Post Restriction"►"Post restriction following gives him anti-Town powers".
If he did, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have mentioned it, since it's rather harmless and there are easier ways to hide it. I do agree with the bit about how it's odd he claims a restriction, but needs to be pressed for clarification when it's so supremely harmless and boring, but I maintain it just isn't enough reason to decide he's Scum on.
(Unvote; VOTE: Dorian)
Dormio voting Raikaria would've been dandy if he hadn't ended with "whatever, game is hard", which feels like post-coital justification to say his vote sucks.
I think it's scummy to have to make up bullshit reasons in order to vote people, and the reasons O4rfish invented to vote ActionDan were supreme bullshit. If we assume Town earnestly look for Scummy behaviour and Scum have to make up scummy behaviour or reframe behaviour into scummy behaviour to work, O4rfish fits perfectly where he first decides ActionDan is scummy and then tries to reframe everything ActionDan did as being supremely scummy even if it made no rational sense.
I think it's silly you're holding it against me that no one argued about their scumpicks after ActionDan's restriction triggered, especially in light of how we weren't going to be able to lynch anyone else instead. After talking about slow game and lack of suspicions, isn't it absurd to hold it against me that I don't have many either? You're basically saying "mea culpa", then claim it's scummy behaviour in others.
thankfully it doesn't seem like that's the case?
Raikaria, I strongly believe Chaore's behaviour to date is inconsistent with a Town agenda.
OK let's play the 'what did the scum do' game.
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Schezo switches his vote to Massaca having allegedly mixed them up.
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Schezo basically confirms Dan town for us.
Well I can't imagine scum would hit themselves with a vote restriction that would make them hated and the only lynch target if it messed up.
Unless someone who is town set such a restriction on him. They would probably claim it by now since I'm pretty sure they knew what would happen if Dan broke it. So I'm inclined to believe scum set that on him since even if he isn't lynched it's still a setback to town.
It's bad to assume someone 3rd on the wagon is automatically scum for that.
I mean; is Dormio scum for being 3rd on your wagon? Or how about Schezo on Serela?
...It's the later.
Is your role alignment Red but your wincon shared with Green's [Thus making you a form of miller] or is your role alignment Green but you appear Red to cops? [Which is another take on miller]...
Phone post, cause I'm not home and Piefke gets annoying. It's the later.
O4rfish is already forming such an awful case on me. I can't tell if it's desperation to try and get me out of the game [I'm half expecting to be nightkilled] or to discredit me for when I prove Dorian is scum.
Or if he's just completely barking up the wrong tree.
From his Serela wagon-hopping thing;Do you mean this?
Don't worry SB, the best reads so far are the ones on Serela and the other guy for bandwagon hoping.It's not like there was much in the way of actual reads at the time IIRC and it was like 12 hours into day 1.
then after Serela remarks about thinking Moridin doesn't get the Dan restriction thing proper, is suddenly all for the no-lynch without any reference as to why or what he misunderstood to make him comepletely change his mind going from "he's probably town, we should lynch him to confirm" to " He's def town, lynching town is bad, let's not do that!".The moment I realized it was literally when Serela made that remark. It was a eureka moment.
Sure a couple hours are plenty of time for him to change his mind but without explaining why it seems like he may have just switched under a bit of pressure from Raikaria and Dan between his #266 and his #271. Unless it's supposed to be implied that those two posts between made him understand and convinced him but he doesn't mention or acknowledge them at all *shrug*
Also @ Moridin,I think it's more clear to use a consistent convention. When I use caps you know I'm referring to the specific factions. Well it might not be beneficial but other people, but it's easy for me to write and organise my thoughts this way.
Any particular reason you've allcaps'd every instance of the words Town and Mafia? Just strikes me as odd.
I'm saying Schenzo was apathetic to the lynch either way. He voted on both sides, although he ultimately voted for No-Lynch. He basically said it doesn't matter to him, since he said that it doesn't matter to scum. I don't see a reason why this is a lie. Removing the NML and mislynching a townie are both beneficial to scum. Similar attitudes may therefor be indicative of scum. Which several of the people voting for a Dan lynch had.I can build on this by noting that scum benefits either way by the D1 thing. Forcing a No Lynch gives Scum better odds in endgame, and removes a Town-Controlled kill from the game, which means scum has more sway over who is killed during the course of the game.
...That might be the case but there is more to it than meets the eye, you guys were never good at picking up a subtle hint. But I'm wondering, to who else exactly could I apply the same logic to? Cause if someone else has borrowed together the suspicions of others to call it ?his opinion? then I must have missed it.
The Dorian/NNR slapfight looks like a red herring. Dorian, your case on NNR looks like a lot of confirmation bias because from what I can tell, you could apply the same logic you used on NNR in #360 to a lot of other players in this game. ...
Also just to say; if Dorian said he was the former; I would be outing my role with my evidence. That's how confident I would have been that he is scum.I don't remember having even heard about the ?former?, so I have still no idea what you are talking about. But your plan to confirm me day three is approved even if it sounds to good to be true.
Since he said the latter, I just have to rely on something else to prove him either way. I will still most likely out during D3 once he has been proven either way.
I see, it's only too bad that it didn't worked last night, don't you think so?^^
That might be the case but there is more to it than meets the eye, you guys were never good at picking up a subtle hint.
Are you hinting that you know that NNR visited you; Dorian?wait what
Dorian, are you suggesting that NNR visited you? And if so, how do you know this? Seems a little odd for a 'miller'.
03. This is a Role Madness game i.e. each role has one or more abilities other than the Basic Rights.I'm not even sure if that's what you concerned about but in a lot of role madness games is miller only a ?downside? to a more complex role, not the role itself.
And when I'm already at the ?who did something at night?, who of you didn't knew that you aren't supposed to visit the miller at night? I mean it's not that I didn't warned you.My idea was that he hat actual suspected me day one, so coming out with it wouldn't have been a big deal in the first pace.
Oarfish and Massaca. It still annoys me that they're basically still sharing thoughts, I have yet to really see them diverge on opinions at all, especially obvious with their apparent double-team on Raikaria.Where apart from the Dan thing have we shared thoughts?
That and conq not committing to a town read on my slot yetI committed to like two town reads, jeez. :V
That might be the case but there is more to it than meets the eye, you guys were never good at picking up a subtle hint. But I'm wondering, to who else exactly could I apply the same logic to? Cause if someone else has borrowed together the suspicions of others to call it ?his opinion? then I must have missed it.First of all, in light of recent developments, what's the mafia motivation to visit a miller? I'd think a town role is more likely to visit a claimed miller, if only to confirm the claim. Secondly, about the borrowed suspicions of others you're talking about: it's not a super inspired post but consider that town!NNR completely flaked out of his last few games with bare one-liners. And there's only so many shadows of suspicion in a mafia game, so although you could see those opinions as borrowed suspicions, they could also just be, well, opinions.
Where apart from the Dan thing have we shared thoughts?The sarcasm post really threw me off. Even if it was still sarcasm it still felt like you were on the same subject he was.
And I'm town reading Raikaria quite strongly.
So Neko, I have to wonder here, the scum flip is all that day two brought us. That you can't actually trust scums words is one thing but if a scum flip is nothing to focus on then what is it?Focus on the past day's events, not flips? Interactions between a known scum and other players is minor at best, intentional misleading at worst, it would be wrong to lynch someone based on scum interactions without some other heavy evidence they're scum.
And about Zakeri. Well, I have seen him play as town and as scum and I don't like the fact as much as any other here but the later is more likely to at least pretend that he puts effort into the game.metametametametametametametameta meta is the reason that nobody will ever try to improve their play because they'll just use their bad play as a way to prove to people who buy into this that they're Actually Town, even if their meta is doing anti-town things.
You point about Bard and Chaore came kind of out of the blue here but at least we can agree here. Bard is most likely to be town and Chaores slot is about to be replaced, so we should wait for that.I was posting my train of thought, the train took a sudden stop at Bard Town Junction.
But now you confuse me again, what is it exactly that makes Massaca a special case that I have to comment on? And who do you mean with, ?the people voting Massaca?? The conveniently appearing vote count says there are non and the only one I remember voting him was Schezo, who I'm not supposed to read to far into anyway.Because Massaca was a wagon earlier? Because you're play is tunnely and you're not making remarks on any other players outside of the D1 Zak wagon and Raikaria? If Zak is so town why aren't you analyzing every other shmuck that is voting on your important townie meta wagon?
So do you have reason to think it was busing, or what's the point of it?
Ok. Question. NNr visited you. You warned us not to visit you. Nnr seems alive. why so bad? You even know he visitedBecause I wanted to know why Neko took the risk to run into a PGO gambit? You could say that's a unlikely thing to happen in my case but NNR apparently doesn't care about meta.
I don't recall any warning not to visit you, just that you were a jerk and a MillerGeez, that was the warning, Miller claim = No night visits wanted! That's a well know fact.
@Neko: Na alsdann! Was it that hard? And what gives that away that you couldn't say so in the first place? That you got a role able to visit someone, just like um ? everyone else in the game?That's assuming a lot, and I was assuming you were just a cop Miller, which wouldn't apply to my role. You never implied you were something more to visitors then a Miller, and I still have good reasons to suspect you and vote you. Besides, why would I reveal my role just to sate your curiousity? Why would I visit the Miller I had suspicion on if I wasn't town?
And honestly, are you kidding me? Interaction with known scum is the best alignment indication you could get, when you know how to read them. But that and the rest of your pint's are play style arguments with little connection to anyones alignment.Playstyle, meta, etc, a lot of people I don't like are also terribly inactive, even with their respective metas (like Rawr). And with people like Zak and his strange D1 actions you can hardly call that 'playstyle'.
But when was Massaca actually a wagon?D1.
Miller claim = No night visits wanted! That's a well know fact.
Maybe I got impatient and I didn't had much hope that it would get me anyway but I intended to vote the guy anyway, so I prepared this post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1121989.html#msg1121989) (which explains Raikarias OMGUS observation, ITT I was cut by him cause I still waited for his reaction). Any questions?
Geez, that was the warning, Miller claim = No night visits wanted! That's a well know fact.
I have stuff to catch up on but Raikaria please stop this. Claiming miller outright isn't scummy because you don't want to have to explain a crumb after the cop outed and wasted a night on you, you want them to stay away from the start. I have no idea where you're getting a second miller claim from but if they were real wouldn't they have counterclaimed Dorian day 1?
The only thing I agree with being weird is "why did you visit the miller" but that's more Dorian being weird than being scummy, honestly.
I do not wish to go into more details if I can avoid it because otherwise I will have to give away a lot more about my own role, and the real miller's own role than both myself and more importantly the real miller want to give out if we can help it. Which is why I said if the real miller wants to out, they can do it themselves.
I'll never be redy for this game, ugh, I feel like just going and taking a nap, but no, all of you annoyances have to be here, milling about.. Just go away.
I can't even take a nap with all this noise.
If we're going to play the 'make everyone go home one at a time' game, then let's just start with the most suspicious one so we can be done with this.
##Vote: Dorian
You have a Remilia avatar and a Miller claim. I can already tell you're going to be exhausting to deal with.
Zak are you essentially saying that Serela is being too competent to be scum? I can't really parse the reason you're voting Serela.
I think I know what Dorian is now, but I'm not gonna give him a response to use.
Dorian. I do think he faked miller, but I don't think he's scum for doing it.
Which is why outright stating that the instant the game starts looks suspicious to me. Ideally; since you are town; you shouldn't be a major cop target in the first place.um no, ideally since most people in this game rolled town they would not be ideal cop targets but that just is not how things work out in real life
You're saying you got cut by half an hour?This is easier than you may think :V Mafia posts can take awhile, -especially- when you get distracted midway.
his problems were just having low content which is somewhat justified by D1somewhat justified by v/la* (...also from it being d1)
Raikaria, do you share a QT with NNR? A Scum QT?
@Raikaria: To say that there could be a second Miller in the game is ridiculous, and I personally think the crumb you see there is kinda stretched, especially since I don't see a reason why someone shouldn?t claim it right away.B.See above
To make things clear, I'll still show up as guilty upon investigation, that hasn't changed. And I don't want to be visited at night by anyone for additional reasons. I acted under the impression that the Millerclaim alone would do the trick but apparently was I wrong about that.
Also, I still don't feel like claiming.
Serela was intent on lynching me because they discussed it in the QT where I couldn't interfere.that's not what happened ;_; I just reviewed your case on Dormio and Dormio's play itself, and then the case against... I think it was you, and I didn't agree with you ;_;
that's not what happened ;_; I just reviewed your case on Dormio and Dormio's play itself, and then the case against... I think it was you, and I didn't agree with you ;_;
Anyway I'm -actually- leaving for work now so see you all later
The only thing my role would expose would be the how things happen night one.Well, this is fairly important actually. I think fullclaiming would be in your best interest here; if it comes down to a 1v1 between you and NNR, as far as I can tell no one has bought your case on NNR.
So, with is out of the way, can someone tell me why should I fish for a role that I already know?The better question is why are you voting for a player whom you know the role of, know they visited you, and know perfectly well that have a pro-town reason to have visited you, and know just as perfectly well they have pro-town reason to be voting you now too?
Fortune smiles upon us. Will get to this tonightOff-tangent but Dan do you have anything interesting to tell us or are you just glad you survived to D2 or something
The better question is why are you voting for a player whom you know the role of, know they visited you, and know perfectly well that have a pro-town reason to have visited you, and know just as perfectly well they have pro-town reason to be voting you now too?Like it or not, I was suspecting you too. And what did I knew? Curious scum struck me as likely as town concerned about the Miller, a scum role cope isn't actual new either. From that point could it have went anywhere, so I poked you about it.
Why are you assuming I am scum despite the fact you know I visited you and that I have valid reasons to assume you scum?
I don't have any useful information to share. `_`
I don't have any useful information to share. `_`you caught me im actually voting people who i think are town. :V
Dorian's thought processes are kind of difficult to follow.
##Unvote
##Vote Rawr
Had a gut read on Rawr when I replaced in (though I decided to press Dorian based on relevance) so I'm kind of following Conq on this. But the post where Rawr votes Zakeri feels weird because it looks like Rawr doesn't actually think Zak is scum.
Really Polaris?
I don't have any information that will help us find the scum. I'm not going to out the particulars of my role unless there's a good reason.
@Bard: To your first, I'm still not going to tell you. To the second, read my post again and tell me where I said that. And to the last one, there is no reason to hide it, especially if it was such a obvious pro-town act as he made it out to be.
Dorian refusing to claim on account of stated grounds is Bad Play, not Scum Play. Threatening him to claim is Scummy.
##Unvote
##Vote: Dorian
His blatant admission that he's trying to get people not to visit him at night, and his subsequent insistence that people do not do so means he's hiding something, and I doubt it's very Pro-Town. His first post of Day 2 implies someone was punished for visiting him at night, which he later redacts to "NNR was fucked either way". He claims to have targeted NNR because he believed NNR had an active role component and others might not, meaning Dorian directly states that he willingly used this ability to fuck with someone's results, instead of using it on someone where he might not screw them over. His claimed role power fucks over investigation roles (he's rather smug about that too), and his reaction on being checked is to try and get the guy lynched hard.
Put simply, his behaviour indicates extreme unwillingness to cooperate, expresses a desire to obfuscate and he delights in fucking over an investigative role. None of these are Townie qualities. All of them are non-Town qualities.
It seems hypocritical for you to attack this and then try to get Polly to out some kind of role information he has?
Misrepresentation, I was referring to his utter lack of anything. Polly has the unfortunate habit (?) of subbing in for bad players (imo), and then going "hay guise I have nothing to share '3'" followed by one-liner vote irks me because I already regard the slot as scummy.
Dorian, why did you specifically not want people targeting you, and why does someone checking your role equal Scum to you? Why would a Townie immediately tell their Scum suspect that yes, they did in fact visit them?Names and types (types meaning +,-,I,etc). Since my ability names give me a pretty clear indication as to what they do, I assume the information I'll get will be at least useful enough to tell what kind of roles people have.
NNR, clarify: do you get ROLE results, or just ability name(s)?
I'm a little baffled Dorian picked NNR when the mod said everyone has an active ability. I think. Can't be fucked to double-check, but that's how I went into this game.
And to the last one, there is no reason to hide it, especially if it was such a obvious pro-town act as he made it out to be.Yes allow me to reveal all my powers to the scum this early in the game so I can give them a good reason to NK me, No, discreetly using my role to catch scum so it's not blatantly obvious I need shot is a terrible idea, I should out my first result D2 and give everyone a big warning I'm the rolecop and need blocked every night if they want to make sure I don't know their role.
I think Dorian is probably Ascetic(?) ...That comes kind close but it's not exactly that.
He claims to have targeted NNR because he believed NNR had an active role component and others might not, meaning Dorian directly states that he willingly used this ability to fuck with someone's results, instead of using it on someone where he might not screw them over.If the role is going to be put to any use you'd have to target someone with an active role component. Otherwise it'd be useless so this isn't a very strong point.
- Steals reports from other players; and they do not get these reports [Denies town information; potentially grants scum it]If he is scum, yes it grants scum the information for obvious reasons. But if he's scum, why would be claim such an anti-town aspect of your role when otherwise no one would be the wiser? And negative utility roles for town aren't something new.
If the role is going to be put to any use you'd have to target someone with an active role component. Otherwise it'd be useless so this isn't a very strong point.
not quite sure how balance setup works but would having a town Roleclop and town alignment cop be normal? im assuming the miller is there because there is alignment cop unless its some kind of red herring cf7 placed. anyways just asking ^^I'm pretty sure power in this setup is off the wall given stuff like Schezo's flip. And town rolecop and alignment cop in the same game is already guaranteed if you buy NNR's claim, which you seem to be doing.
If the role's action is so utterly negative, why deliberately use it? It'd be one thing if he targeted the person he thought was most Scummy, but it's another thing entire when you decide your target based on "most likely to have an active role I can steal results from".Hasn't NNR basically been Dorian's only scumread the entire game?
I actually don't agree with the feeling that his vote on me is weak and not based on thinking I'm scum because I actually kind of agree with the fact that my Serela vote was shit.
From this day on we shall look back at this mistake and think "wow what was zakeri smoking" and then proceed to actually find scum.
Cut: I'm pretty sure Raikaria revealed all relevant info in the thread already.All I'd like from Raikaria is a yes or no. Nothing more.
If Oarfish's wagon hammers, it won't actually hammer because it'll need one more vote.Uh, not certain now but at the time I thought he meant that Oarfish requires an extra vote to hammer, not that Oarfish himself can't hammer someone else so that should be a hammer?
Oarfish's vote won't count at the final votecount.
Yes allow me to reveal all my powers to the scum this early in the game so I can give them a good reason to NK me, No, discreetly using my role to catch scum so it's not blatantly obvious I need shot is a terrible idea, I should out my first result D2 and give everyone a big warning I'm the Roleclop and need blocked every night if they want to make sure I don't know their role.All I wanted was that you admit that you targeted, that's still quite far away from a fullclaim, isn't it?
Dorian, are you third party?If that's were the case then I wouldn't be in this situation to begin with.
If the role's action is so utterly negative, why deliberately use it? It'd be one thing if he targeted the person he thought was most Scummy, but it's another thing entire when you decide your target based on "most likely to have an active role I can steal results from".What do you want? I'm compulsive as everyone else. And using it on the one I found most scummy is actually what I did.
...I have to wonder, cause that sounds more like a scum double agent or a odd way to describe a survivor, giving that it's both Red wincon (that's what alignment means, I suppose) and Green's wincon.
Is your role alignment Red but your wincon shared with Green's [Thus making you a form of miller] ...
No; if Red wins he loses.But what you said was, that he's red (ergo scum) who can win with green (town). I have honestly no idea what that is but it isn't miller.
If Green wins he wins.
So he's a green who basically appears red to cops.
That's a miller.
Seija Kijin. Amanojaku Contrarian.
You're Seija Kijin. You have the ability to flip things. Be it objects or people. Also your feelings are the opposite of the feeling of people around you. But luckily for you, since this incident began, most of the people around you have been sort of on edge and not very happy in general. Which is perfect. You are having fun, they are not, everybody wins.
Alignment color - Green.
Night Abilities.
1. (-). Reverse Polarity. This ability allows you to steal night action results of the selected player.
Passive Abilities.
1. (-). Reverse Ideology. Color alignment checks on you will return Red result.
2. (-). Reverse Hierarchy. If you're targeted by any (x) ability, that action automatically fails, instead, if someone tries to protect or heal you, you'll die. You can't be roleblocked or redirected during the night.
Win condition.
You win when all threats to Green alignment are eliminated.
These may or may not be muturally exclusive.
Currently voting.
Conqueror (1): Animosity
ActionDan (1): Dr Rawr
Dorian (3): NNR, BT, Polaris
NNR (1): Dorian
Zakeri (6): Conqueror, SB, Raikaria, Serela, Moridin84, Just/Bard L-2
Dr Rawr (1): Zakeri,
Raikaria (1): O4rfish
Today is a very sad day, for zakeri has finally lost it. On 8/27 zakeri has voted serela for playing competently and with 90% less waffles. look at how crazy CF7 game has made him to vote good play and excellent posts instead of voting people based on bad posts and things that are scummy. From this day on we shall look back at this mistake and think "wow what was zakeri smoking" and then proceed to actually find scum.
##Unvote
##Votes: zakeri
anyways i dont believe NNR is scum so if zakeris wagon some how disappears id probably move my vote to dorian. antitown role -> guilty result with cop -> tells people not to target him(except cops?). i would like to think dorians role is just that unfortunate but if i add 2 and 2 i get 4 soooo
I am officially an ITP
Also someone is voting Conq. An anon vote. I have no clue what to think about this at this time, especially since I don't think many night actions were exactly taken. Might be tied into the early end?I'm hated, if you recall.
##UnvoteI would be totally fine with you doing this after all the scum are dead, being lynched doesn't negate my wincon once I reach it B)
##Vote: NekoNekoRex
Obligatory "I want to lynch the non-Town MightBeThreatToTown entities" vote.
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##Vote: NekoNekoRex
Obligatory "I want to lynch the non-Town MightBeThreatToTown entities" vote.
I'm totally still suspicious of Zakeri. Just Dorion is more suspicious.As stated above, I changed my lynch from Dorion to Zakeri because he seemed even more suspicious than Zakeri.
You'll note that already I stated near the start of Day 2 that I was suspicious of Dorion and Zakeri. I just can't nail down the reasons why.
The game would end before he'd get to do that
But hell if we need to remove NNR we can do so later in the game.
lmao
I'm making an ITP in my game and handing it out to whoever wants the free win and rng everyone else off that cause it won't matter.
People always say this, but MOTK has never lynched a claimed ITP. They always lose to ITPs as well, when it turns out the ITP was lying.NNR could outright claim Serial Killer and I couldn't care less, unless he started killing townie people. I mean, yes you do have a point about ITP's having a glorious time on MotK, but consider that most of those ITPs were forced to claim under threat of lynch while NNR basically threw himself into a 1v1. Bard fakeclaiming the scum nightkill on UK in Zombies is abnormal and doesn't count. :V
Not that I'm implying anything here, of course. NNR is completely honest and truthful. ITP whose wincon completely aligns with Town and is completely anti-Scum is obviously very believable, and it's what I'd claim if I were ITP. Or Scum. In fact, I think all ITPs always claim their wincon aligns with Town. For all that Townies can lie and Scum can lie, ITP are the faultless gods of Mafia who are guaranteed 100% honest about their wincon. :wikipedia:
...actually, now that I think about it, NNR crumbing it at very game start -is- kinda convincing.Thinking about this more, I dunno, maybe Bard's right and scum/itp making a miller crumb no one is likely to notice (because no one ever notices crumbs as far as I can tell, even with NNR's being one of the more possibly detectable ones) is very possible. But, that's combatted by Dorian claiming miller first, which makes crumbing it really weird.
While I assume Bard is kidding about being an ITP (or at least would say so even if he is) are you serious about claiming you made n2 go away?
Well, golly, with so many claimed ITPs, it looks like we can ignore roles and go back to using play to measure scumminess. Fancy that!
Seriously though, all ITPs in previous games could have been dealt with if people looked past the claims dangling in front of them and lynched people based off of play.
I'm saying NNR is scummy for faking a Miller claim, lying about being Town-aligned (on Day 1 and 2) and then using his fakeclaim of Miller to get the actual Town Miller lynched. And if Raikaria knew about this claim, why the fuck did he use those arguments to get Dorian lynched?
nightmares of Dormio's Scum QT where Serela happily let Dormio feed him a lot of lies and deceit.Two QTs you were locked out of Bard. :V It was extremely amusing at the time.
Raikaria, ITPs fakeclaim. That's what they do. He fakeclaimed Miller before, didn't he?
I'unno, like, if you take NNR's claim at face value he's basically a Town Miller Survivor with powers.
That being said taking it at face value is certainly a questionable thing to do. Weird situation >.>
But anyway we know there is a type of Vig. If you're so worried? Just Vig NNR and turn him into a stump. Go do that Yuyuko; whoever you are. NNR is confirmed ITP. But wasteing a lynch is something altogether different.This is assuming a lot of things. Like, a -lot-.
Two QTs you were locked out of Bard. :V It was extremely amusing at the time.
I interfered with Chaore's action N1 and saw a disappearing NK so I suspected himHmm. Let me ask the mod something.
No; but his role functions like one.
Hmm. Let me ask the mod something.
This is assuming a lot of things. Like, a -lot-.
Yes, they are informed.Wasn't the question I was going to ask but mod gave me an ~*I dunno*~ to my question so welp. :V It'll become clear eventually I guess.
It was the stealing of NNR's night result that was the sealant. Which; however you look at it; is a very anti-town and suspect role.I don't really want to continue this tangent, but I had to respond to this. I'm fairly certain people found the miller counterclaim more suspicious than the role-stealing aspect, given that the role stealing does have utility (can reveal results remotely for townies, deny results from scum) and like I said, negative utility roles are nothing new for town.
I don't really want to continue this tangent, but I had to respond to this. I'm fairly certain people found the miller counterclaim more suspicious than the role-stealing aspect, given that the role stealing does have utility (can reveal results remotely for townies, deny results from scum) and like I said, negative utility roles are nothing new for town.
Besides; I still have a useful thing up my sleeve for town. Remember; I am aware of something happens Day 3. Something that would have proven Dorian but will instead be used on someone else now for obvious reasons.
Raikaria, it's Day 3. Where is this magic.
I'm not quite sure where I sit on Rawr yet it just feels like a lurker lynch thereWell, ignoring the metatell that rawr lurks as scum and is fairly active as town, there's the fact that his few solid scum stances/pushes have been either bad (ActionDan) or relatively weak (Zakeri; he voted Zak for his bad Serela vote, but it was obviously terrible and that was the only part of Zakeri he touched on, ignoring everything else bad/good about Zak). He's thrown out a few town reads but nothing more than that.
I'm not in enough games with Rawr to really know his metatells; neither am I someone who likes using Meta.So look at the non-meta case on him?
Conq, do you have evidence of this meta-tell.I'll go through his meta later when I have more time to make sure I'm actually representing it correctly, sure.
I know this is gonna be a shock but nnr makes everyone lose when he wins.
None of your ITP claims will be on the level of Weak Watcher Survivor Rogue with 2 vig shots and a 1-shot safety net for the weak modifier. People somehow bought the claim too like what.
That aside, I am responsible for eating Night 2. And I am also going to be responsible for whatever happens to Raikaria tonight. Hint: it involves his action. Double hint: he won't like it.
01. Chaore
02. Dr Rawr
03. BT
06. Massaca
12. SB
13. Serela
14. Conqueror
pointless bucket list that will be relevant (in-game) tomorrow or self evident at my lynch.
##Vote: Dr. Rawr Gut and placeholder vote until I finish reading which will hopefully still be tonight.
I forgot I signed up for stand up comedy.
Assuming Conq will come in and confirm rawr's result... It's not impossible for there to be a Scum Tracker, but it's not exactly standard. Then again, none of the roles seen so far are really "standard", so... Hm.
huh what is that 6 or 7 votes?
claiming tracker all i saw happen n1 isdormioconq visit chaore
##Votes: Zakeri
This list is curious and I am attempting to find any common denominator between them. Low activity seems to be the case for most of them except maybe Conq, but then where's Mordin if that was the denominator?
Also like you realize "claiming tracker" goes a bit against what you claimed/crumbed earlier?what did i claim or crumb earlier?
ignoring the fact that actiondan may or may not have a post restriction. why would i lynch action dan for having claimed anti town powers he obtains at some point? im pretty sure scum arnt that ballsy
on a kinda related note obtaining powers at a later point isnt that weird the same thing can happen to me two
Bardiche, to be clear, you're claiming you've blocked Chaore N1?
That actually makes me very suspicious of him.
I'm saying NNR is scummy for faking a Miller claim, lying about being Town-aligned (on Day 1 and 2) and then using his fakeclaim of Miller to get the actual Town Miller lynched.For one, I crumbed Miller at the start of the game, because I knew counterclaiming immediately would cause role shenanigans and on ED1, I obviously had no reason to suspect Dorian of being scum rather then Miller #2.
And if Raikaria knew about this claim, why the fuck did he use those arguments to get Dorian lynchedObviously Raikaria thinks I'm town, or he wouldn't have invited me to his QT and helped lynch Dorian or claim on my behalf. Is it so incredibly hard to get it through your adamantine skull that Raikaria thinks I'm town?
I claim I've made it so Chaore's ability doesn't resolve on Night 1. It'll resolve on Night 3 instead.
Is it so incredibly hard to get it through your adamantine skull that Raikaria thinks I'm town?
Ah so you are going to delay the resolution of my night action.
I don't see why you would delay a neighbouriser but hey; up to you.
If you claimed ITP to Raikaria and he interpreted that as Town, then yes, that's too hard to get through my skull. If you claimed ITP to Raikaria and Raikaria used that information to fakeclaim Town!Miller for you and use it as a counter-claim against Dorian, then that's scummy.
You assume delaying is all I can do.
Is it so incredibly hard to get it through your adamantine skull that Raikaria thinks I'm town based on my actions and not my role?Here, I'll rephrase this in a way that makes you actually stop considering roles and consider player behavior.
but NNR has pulled this shit before in idolmaster and I can see him trying it againThat game ending was 150% Dan's idea and not mine, and this is ignoring the fact that that game was fucking unwinnable otherwise for my alignment due to the blatant setup shittery that PX inflicted on everyone that game.
Busy, but is Rawr just a Tracker? He should character claim+explain why he targeted Conq because I don't remember him actually scumreading Conq?im aya and i just stalk people i guess. conq wasnt in the game it was dormio at the time. dormio hadnt said anything at the time so i tracked him.
SB, you are not a neighbor of Raikaria, correct?
Thursday is my busy day. Thanks to Sakuya, I have to play the game today instead of tomorrow.Wait a second.
You regurgitated things other people said and aggressively attacked Dorian when he voted you for doing so. Your defence included hyperbole and AtE by raging that you had to be online all the time so as to say things before other people do them. That sort of attack is disingenuous and actually Pro-Scum, since you don't actually defend your actions but exaggerate the alternative and pretend it's impossible. It's Pro-Scum because you actively avoid being held accountable for your actions.How else do I defend against 'I read people and think they're scummy, too bad it just so happens other people think the same thing looks like my scum hunting isn't legitimate'?
Also you've been angry the whole game, that's your default response to being voted/thought of as suspicious. AtE much?
Tick-Tock. Tick-Tock. Tick. Tock. Tick... Tock.........
It is now Day 3.
That aside, I am responsible for eating Night 2. And I am also going to be responsible for whatever happens to Raikaria tonight. Hint: it involves his action. Double hint: he won't like it.
I claim I've made it so Chaore's ability doesn't resolve on Night 1. It'll resolve on Night 3 instead.
Bardiche, to be clear, you're claiming you've blocked Chaore N1?
That actually makes me very suspicious of him.
Moridin looks bad based on wagon analysis alone. I dunno if he's just getting a free pass for being a newbie but he should really be posting more. Same with Massaca, actually.*sighs*
Even if we lynch Dan, there's no information to be gleaned. At its very best, we may lynch a Scum on 3/15 odds, or we retain our ability to No Lynch later on. I don't think the gamble is worth it.
That said. There's 14 players, 3 MAFIA (excluding NNR and the dead one) and there are 9 players voted for Dorion. Every MAFIA pilling onto him would be stupid so there is at least 1 MAFIA who voted for him and 1 MAFIA who didn't. I'm not sure where the third voted.
oh I forgot Schezo flipped untrackable nightkills B( I guess that implies town tracker
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
idk mafia too hard without a 24-hr buffer between days.
I'm back and unlike last game *STUFF HAPPENED* while I slept!
@ ActionDan wagon
So; wait, now people decide it's weird? After I already pointed this out a while ago?
Still, I'm in the same camp as Dr.Rawr. Scum wouldn't come out and say 'hey guys my role is anti-town!'. Some perfectly fine town roles can be seen as anti-town in some situations. Like a roleblocker; especially in role madness early in the game [You're more likely to hit town], or a Vigilante [Again; good chance of shooting the fellow townies which is an anti-town result]
And why are people claiming their role names? Since from what myself, O4rfish and Chaore said about the role mechanics and role names being aligned, it is possible that giving out our role names/characters is giving the mafia more information that is required of us.
ActionDan, we used No Lynch Day 1 to keep you in the game. Please provide content to show we didn't do that for shits and giggles.Sorry it was shits and giggles.
If there's another tracker out there they should claim. Otherwise...I think rawr is probably town unless CF7 is a MASTER RUSEMAN given Schezo ninja flip. This is really annoying though because RAWR WHAT ARE YOUR READS? No seriously rawr, what are your reads? His play absolutely matches up with scum but the claim gives me pause enough that I guess I don't want to lynch him right now?im going to be truthful hear im only in this game to fill up slots. ive been spending my free time playing terrible games and watching bobs burgers.
Sorry it was shits and giggles.
But I'm like obvious town so.
Also phone posting limits content.
As does trying to setup online hookups.
What you should take away from this exchange is that I'm not gonna be voting Zak for my given reason, so yeah.absolutely kimoi waru B(
Hey NNR, since you're RED does that mean you can make the factional kill
Raikaria, when did you say anything like this?
My crumbs about being Toyosatomimi.
Tick tock just relates to time running out.
Bard mentioned eating N2. That suggests KEINE.
Also there's a couple of other reasons I want to make notes when I think someone is townie or when something important IMO happens. I need to earmark important things so I can listen to their voices again in my head. So I don't get lost as easily when there are so many voices around. Sixteen people is a lot. I get confused sometimes in games with more than 10 people.
And why are people claiming their role names? Since from what myself, O4rfish and Chaore said about the role mechanics and role names being aligned, it is possible that giving out our role names/characters is giving the mafia more information that is required of us.
Belive it is this one:
? Reply #202 on: August 22, 2014, 12:55:38 pm ?
? Reply #149 on: August 22, 2014, 12:47:31 am ?
And why are people claiming their role names? Since from what myself, O4rfish and Chaore said about the role mechanics and role names being aligned, it is possible that giving out our role names/characters is giving the mafia more information that is required of us.
@ Bardiche,Whoops, disregard the second bit, I forgot it's only him, NNR and BT at the moment, was thinking it was Rai and 3 others.
Do you legitimately think Raikaria could be scum?Do you think there is/are scum in his QT?
Yes I'm the third guy (this shouldn't need confirmation), no I'm not going to say what I'm doing. Raikaria should know why. Seriously.
Also just in case, I would really appreciate it if we could wait until BT has confirmed he is Raikaria's neighbor, before any further wagoning.There's really no good reason to lie about it, and even if Raikaria did want to for some reason, the moment BT read the thread he'd just go "uh, the fuck?" and Raikaria would be in a jam. Anyway BT already confirmed it by now anyway (even if sadly he hasn't made a contentpost for today yet ;_;)
You know, just in case.
(or the scumteam just Roleclopped and figured out something easy enough to lie about)WHY DOES THIS WORD FILTER STILL EXIST
QT-making scum has happened several times in motk before, but yeah I extremely doubt scum would claim to all be neighbors in a QT after one of them is nk'd night 1. Raikaria/NNR's interactions would be incredible if they were -both- lying scum (seriously) but there's no way.
What I want more than anything right now is see a damn flip so we have more information to go on. We haven't lynched anything yet this game.
We lynched Dorian.
Raikaria and Oarfish, please stop pushing for "scumslips" that people have made and look for actual scum intent in people's posts.
No, I mean, the info about you being blocked only showed up today, but Zak is implying his N1 result made him suspicious of you in light of that. A result that is apparently fine after the nokill on N1 but suddenly becomes suspicious after we know your action was delayed? Any info he had relating to you he would already have had N1, and the knowledge that you were specifically blocked would change nothing since given the nokill N1 he should have already made any connections then.
It's a little badly worded because roles are hard and rolegaming is harder, but I guess my point is that role-based suspicions are pretty easy to fabricate without backup.
Why are you making the assumption that my role based information has nothing to do with the fact that Chaore was blocked when Chaore being blocked was what made me suspicious of his slot?The role info thing was in response to Polaris saying it gave him a town read on you. And I'm saying that I can't think of a situation where Chaore being blocked would make him any more suspicious than he already was in light of your own role info. I'm making this conclusion in tandem with my own role info I got from Chaore's slot. Either way let's deal with the role situation if it pops up; it wasn't really the focus of what I was saying about you anyway.
That said, I've said I wanted to wait and see what happens because my role information is not strong enough to role-game with in the first place. I do still have a soft scum read on Chaore for active lurking as well, though nothing has yet jumped out to me in Polaris's posting that's scum intent.
do you mean kimochi warui b/c if yer gonna japanese at least japanese properlyalso i meant kimoi warui so c: neither.
Jumping on it once seems like over eager town, but consistently going after single things like this, even though we're effectively in only day 2, doesn't feel like he's town trying to point at suspect things more rather he's just sensationalizing things in the hopes of getting a mislynch.Like, stuff like this in Zak's case feels like empty words. Why is what oarfish doing "sensationalizing things" instead of "pointing at suspect things?" What would be the townie way for him to point out what he thinks is scummy about Raikaria?
Raikaria "must be really ballsy" to out his scumbuddies, therefore his slips get a pass.It's not ballsy, it'd be retarded. The moment Raikaria flipped the entire scumteam would lose.
voting someone just because they're the least town looking moreso than for being the most scummy looking >.>
"too scummy to be scum"
why would scum give actiondan the post restcion then gun after him the whole day even after he flubbed it which he could have gotten lynched over it.UURGHGGHHHH THIS MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE RAWR WHY DO YOU HAVE TO START BEING USEFUL -NOW-
UURGHGGHHHH THIS MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE RAWR WHY DO YOU HAVE TO START BEING USEFUL -NOW-SHUT UP AND VOTE NNR
Confirming that my role was delayed, but I was hoping it'd be freed up when N2 was skipped. B( What a pain.
I claim I've made it so Chaore's ability doesn't resolve on Night 1. It'll resolve on Night 3 instead.
Shouldn't scum just shoot NNR tonight if he doesn't get lynched anyway?Theoretically yes, they would. In actuality, guessing what scum is going to do tends to not work very well. Also, ITPs commonly have bulletproof (which no one would claim if they didn't have to, as that defeats the purpose of having it) but who knows.
Obvs he could well be lying about his wincon and in all honesty who would be surprised? but yeah, it just bugs me :/
UURGHGGHHHH THIS MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE RAWR WHY DO YOU HAVE TO START BEING USEFUL -NOW-rawr has been saying this since day 1 serela my god
rawr has been saying this since day 1 serela my godoops
I would lynch BT over NNR simply because of the fact that he went along with the ITP=miller thing, which is terrible and which I can expect from Raikaria (crazy logic) and NNR (barely reading) but BT? Nope.I never actually thought about the implications of BT being in the quicktopic with them whilst this was discussed. When did NNR actually claim that he wasn't town, again?
I highly doubt NNR would claim this to me and even less so to the 3rd member of my quicktopic if he was lying. Especially with a miller claim already existing.From this post and the other stuff Raikaria said, at least before the counterclaim fiasco on D2.
I would lynch BT over NNR simply because of the fact that he went along with the ITP=miller thing, which is terrible and which I can expect from Raikaria (crazy logic) and NNR (barely reading) but BT? Nope.
Zak what happened to those other ISOs you were in the middle of doing, eh?
I've been thinking about BT as well, but I'd figure It would be better to confirm what NNR's role is, and then sleep on what it means for BT to be in on the fiasco. I don't think it looks good for him, though.
But, if we were lynching BT based on we think BT was scummy for going along with NNR and Raikaria for counterclaiming Dorian and then lynching him, it wouldn't make a difference if NNR actually did have the role he claimed or not, right?That's actually true I guess, since the main thing that makes it uncharacteristically scummy is that he decided to let this happen.
Also, the thing about lynching NNR is that if we lynch him and he flips third party as he claimed (which I think he will) that doesn't really get us closer to finding mafia. It might not even advance our wincon, depending on his actual wincon.This is the kind of attitude that has caused MotK to consistently fail in games with an ITP in them. We don't know what his win condition is, and it would be irresponsible to just assume its benign based on nothing but "because it can be".
Also, the thing about lynching NNR is that if we lynch him and he flips third party as he claimed (which I think he will) that doesn't really get us closer to finding mafia. It might not even advance our wincon, depending on his actual wincon.i like to think scum neighborizor isnt a thing so with nnr flipping itp raiakria is town and bt is something something uhhh something
i like to think scum neighborizor isnt a thing so with nnr flipping itp raiakria is town and bt is something something uhhh something
Bardiche, to be clear, you're claiming you've blocked Chaore N1?uhh, why?
That actually makes me very suspicious of him.
[Why are you making the assumption that my role based information has nothing to do with the fact that Chaore was blocked when Chaore being blocked was what made me suspicious of his slot?waffle
That said, I've said I wanted to wait and see what happens because my role information is not strong enough to role-game with in the first place. I do still have a soft scum read on Chaore for active lurking as well, though nothing has yet jumped out to me in Polaris's posting that's scum intent.
again, we're drawing sudden parallels to Zombie Outbreak.
NNR should have waited for scum to claim ITP first.
What exactly are you asking?
What I am asking is for you to write something that you believe wholeheartedly, or something which you know to be true.
Schezo's death might be the result of some weird PGO-like role, or maybe a specific NK-bounce ability in the vein of the opposite of what Dorian had with Doctors. In fact now that I'm thinking up theories, it might be NNR's method of SKing.Not unless he can kill and visit/rolecop in the same night.
Even with that I am not going to move to the NNR wagon until BT is back at least.If NNR can anti-stump, then logically wouldn't it make sense for him to be immune to stumping himself?
I am willing to lynch him but he's an easy vig if the stumping wasn't a one-shot. That is the main thing stopping me from lynching him. If feels like a wasted lynch if he can just be stumped.
Of course I'm not willing to lynch him until BT returns.
Can't believe town wants me to get screwed out of my wincon because of the completely unsubstantiated and not even plausible claim that I am a threat to town just because town is paranoid enough to kill me.
Thanks for believing in the flipped scum over me guys
I'm pretty sure BT is lurk Scum also. Can't remember the game name but it was BT, huh what, and no name as the Scum team.
Hey NNR, since you're RED does that mean you can make the factional killNo, I have no connection with scum other then the color
Bard On Millers againAlright Bard, I'm Red-colored and I have to kill the scum to win. Someone scans me and sees I'm Red. What do you think I should claim? I'd just be lynched as scum if I don't claim Miller.
NNR genuinely going off to CC a town miller claim implies he's actually red and not scum and thought it'd be silly if town had a miller on top of that/quote]
Reference here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1122744.html#msg1122744), which I dislike because it's a defence of NNR when, again, we have no reason to believe the claimed ITP about his wincon.
Finally BT's promise to try and be fully in swing at the end of the phase... it just feels like he hasn't done much except jump on what's popular, and the commentary on rawr doesn't connect with me at all. Like, it doesn't feel like he's genuinely thinking Rawr is Scum and just voting what's easy. Having only two posts to his name on Day 2 is ridiculous. If he was more active in the QT, that's even more ridiculous.
Polly lurkscumming it up as well is annoying especially given my problems with Chaore's Day 1 performance and now Polly's near-invisible Day 2 and Day 3 performance.
It's a large game and somehow people have absolutely nothing to say? Really?
Cut by NNR trying to make this about him again.
NNR genuinely going off to CC a town miller claim implies he's actually red and not scum and thought it'd be silly if town had a miller on top of thatReference here (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17271.msg1122744.html#msg1122744), which I dislike because it's a defence of NNR when, again, we have no reason to believe the claimed ITP about his wincon.
Zakeri's sudden rush of content... I'm not sure how to view it. I'm annoyed it took nearly lynching him for him to finally provide content, especially considering the Day 1 lynch was also looking in his direction heavily (until ActionDan came around).I don't think it's safe to say that it "Nearly took lynching me" to get me to produce content when I've spent more than a week being nearly lynched before I started producing content.
Actually fuck it, I unwaffled myself.
##Unvote
##VOTE: BT
If the role really is that sensitive then I don't get why he'd tell NNR and Raikaria, and at least from Raikaria's comments I feel like BT was active during Day 2 more than that he's actually posted, considering he only posted twice (and one was one-liner). That's scummy enough to me, because Town generally wants to steer the lynch onto the scummiest instead of onto popular shit.
I also don't know exactly why the rawr wagon disintegrated but I still think he's awfully lurky and scummy still (ironically he brings this point up in one of his posts about all the lurkers in this game)
He might be immune to stumping but it doesn't make flavor sense like everything else in this game. If NNR's role suggested he was like; Mokou then maybe' but he's Reimu. He's been pretty much confirming as that all game.Umm okay. I don't know much about Touhou so I'll have to take your word for it.
Because of this little thing called trusting us.Yeah... because that's a good thing to do in Mafia. Unilaterally trusting people.
Did you really miss the part where he claimed? :vIt was very easy to miss.
If the Day phase ends before we get 8,If that happens, rocks fall everyone dies
I saw BT online so *puts more pressure on BT to post even though he's probably already making one*
I would lynch BT over NNR simply because of the fact that he went along with the ITP=miller thing, which is terrible and which I can expect from Raikaria (crazy logic) and NNR (barely reading) but BT? Nope.The gist of it was that NNR's claim and Dorian's claim were really unlikely to coexist, and NNR coming out with the claim in the first place more or less implied that he thought Dorian was bullshitting, ITP or not. I still don't get why all the fuss was raised back in page 22 (and is still being raised what) - I think Rai and NNR actually did a good job of explaining why we all went with it (it was more than just "claims"), but if there's particular parts that baffle you I could try and explain them. Maybe it's mostly a perspective thing. At the very least, the entire thread unanimously agreeing that the QT guys are idiots, when I'm not seeing it, makes me think that. Is it because of the late D2 posts? Because I barely skimmed those.
I don't know what went on in the QT exactly, but the issue is that it seems like he didn't put any effort into reigning in the madness.I've been inactive in general, if I'm getting you here.
There's also the Promised Land Raikaria keeps dangling in front of our noses, which I don't get. If it's such a good role and BT wants to avoid Scum knowing about it, why would he tell Raikaria and NNR? I mean, if it's so important no one publicly knows, I'd think it's best no one knows at all, because there still exists a chance Raikaria is Scum with Neighbouriser powers. It just doesn't make sense for a secretive BT to spill the beans to someone of unknown alignment.It's the reverse, my thread comment was just an instinctive reaction to Raikaria talking about the role. There was no reason to talk about it, so that's what I said. And I don't think Raikaria is scum.
I admit, after reading and catching up on day three, my bucket list is starting to expand rapidly now.I'm not seeing it. His promise to do ISOs hasn't actually covered the ground-less-treaded like I thought it would (Moridin, SB, Massaca? Polly even?) so the "effort" presented in the thread seems sourced from the need to -have something- instead of finally getting active and bringing opinions, because we'd then probably get those other opinions too instead of just the convenient ones.
BT - i cant really remember what hes posted ill assume its good because other people are town reading him -sheep-
I'm pretty sure BT is lurk Scum also. Can't remember the game name but it was BT, huh what, and no name as the Scum team.Bullshit indeed. >____> He's making up his own thoughts. There's no way that's town. Even if I go to lengths to imagine scum rawr scenarios, though, it's stuff like "there's a town WATCHER and rawr claimed tracker and got lucky" which I'm pretty sure I don't want to pursue. Very conflicted.
Time till phase end?10.5 ish hours
Oh, yeah, I'm reading Oarfish too, though I'm also voteblocking him.Wait what? Maybe I missed something but how can you be voteblocking im when none of got night actions?
How can you activate mysterious magic at the same time?????????
I'm amenable to all 6 wagons except Conquerer, but apparently I don't have a vote. Again.But you're voting Raikarai in the latest votecount
Votecount of the hungover mod saying thanks to Dorian for the previous vote count
Currently voting.
Conqueror (1): Anonymous.
Zakeri (4): Conqueror, Raikaria, NekoNekoRex, BT
Serela (1): SB
NNR (4): Dr Rawr, Serela, Zakeri, Moridin84
Moridin84 (1): Massaca, Polaris
Raikaria (1): Oarfish
BT (1): Just
Not voting
ActionDan
With 14 alive you need 8 votes to make a decision.
A little over ten hours remaining. (http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140831T16&p0=166&msg=Day+3.)
CHAOS.im alt-tabbing as i die in league, which is quite often lol
I thought I saw Rawr online, it would be wonderful if he could grace us with his presence and bless us with his opinions on Moridin `_`
I also get the feeling that BT is just going with the flow and doesn't really care? I mean he seemed okay with what NNR was doing yesterday and now is down with his lynch which is kind of questionable.Yeah but I said I would submit to it if I thought we had to, because I'm obviously not as solid about NNR after D2. I'd like to know why you think I don't care, though. <_<
I'll be here till deadline but on that note I need to clarify, is Oarfish's vote actually counting on the NNR wagon or did you actually block him again? Cause for Moridin we need Rawr to come back (dammit man, die) but if Oarfish doesn't count for the NNR wagon then we need Conqueror or someone else back.
I'm leaving like, the moment my friends get here (which could be any moment now) so yeah my vote is kind of stuck.Wouldn't it be 1/1/4/10? Anyway, I meant a third party as claimed by NNR. It's basically a role that works with town but cops as red anyway, which is a lot of an overlap with Dorian's role. It's not impossible, no. but something that makes me think it's more than just "another role that cops as scum".
@BT, I don't really have time to check for sure but it feels like you're sorta going with the flow and I don't remember any significant opinions you've had that weren't a wagon? Maybe I'm just biased because you missed a lot of day 2, but I'm also unsure why you though that a third party that scans as antitown and a townie that scans as antitown are impossible to co-exist?
On that note, 11/3/1/1 numbers are fucked up.
BT, what type of ability is your vote block? (+) (-) or something else?(?)
You are the primary wagon; it's near deadline and it is possible for us to lynch NNR still I think.I suppose so. Kind of hoping I wouldn't have to because it could be a hassle but whatever.
So claiming might be a good idea. In fact I'm a little surprised you haven't already.
##UnvoteHonestly, it was something of a lucky shot. Day 1 was full of joke posts and then there was ActionDan lynch so I didn't really know who to hit.
Ah hell. Why did you target Schezo?
Yes no it's not a hassle. You shoot every night? And you have abilities outside of that? Why didn't you say something when Dan said to claim the shot? And what Massaca said.Well I didn't really see any benefit to claiming it. Is there?
But yeah, BT sounds like a good one, should just get an action failed i guess.Wait, what? Action failed?
I think that's hammer, dunno votecount, saw BT claiming to vote NNR. If it isn't hammer, uh, gg, someone correct me.
It makes the hammer certain if O4rfish is scum because his vote is blocked.Can you explain that? I don't understand. I think I missed this vote blocking stuff.
If he's scum your vote will show up' if he's town the hammer fell with Massaca.
1. Reimu Hakurei - Shrine Maiden
You are a shrine maiden at the Hakurei shrine. You main duties are maintaining the shrine, maintaining the Hakurei barrier and solving incidents. You are especially good at the last part. And if you have to beat some people up in the process to get the truth out of them, usually it's their own fault.
Alignment color - Red.
Night Abilities.
1. (I). Dream Sign. Ability check. During the night phase you can check the names and the type of the abilities that the targeted player can use.
2. (?). Dream Sign. Evil Sealing Circle. You're not sure why these spirits keep gathering, but this can't be a good sign. During the night phase you can exorcise one of the spirits. Chosen spirit is removed from the game and goes to the graveyard. Since this ritual is quite exhausting, you can't use this ability twice in a row.
Passive Abilities.
1. (+). 2 Extra Lives. During the night phase, when you're targeted by a kill attempt, it fails and you lose 1 extra life. If you have 2 extra lives and you're targeted by an ability that ignores defensive abilities you lose 2 lives instead of 1. If you have 1 extra life and you're targeted by an ability that ignores defensive abilities you die.
2. (-). Red Impulse. You know the number of Red alignment players at the start of the game. And that number is 5.
Win condition.
You win, when you're the only Red alignment player left in the game. If you achieve your win condition, you don't leave the game and continue to play until the win condition for Green alignment is achieved. If you're killed or lynched after achieving your win condition, you're still considered a winner after the game has ended.