Author Topic: RPG Mafia thread (Read 33519 times)

Pesco · « **Reply #60 on:** August 06, 2012, 05:58:43 AM »

No sitepimpinging allowed.

Edible · « **Reply #61 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:35:46 PM »

A game is running
Please wait until afterwards
To discuss theory

ActionDan · « **Reply #62 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:48:49 PM »

Quote from: Raitaki on August 06, 2012, 01:35:55 AM

Guess that's a yes. http://www.staredit.net/topic/15346/unread/#special

Don't freak out at the role list/lack of vanilla townie. Or the nondescript Beguiler role ;o At least the mod said unofficially that there will be no clues this round, so you might not have to participate in clue interpretation (or get lynched over one) ;o

To be honest I just read the available roles and isn't that game literally broken by a mass-claim?

NekoNekoRex · « **Reply #63 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:55:14 PM »

ActionDan · « **Reply #64 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:56:15 PM »

Why is my sig not subconsciously triggering!

no my beautiful slot, it has been lynched T_T.

ActionDan · « **Reply #65 on:** August 06, 2012, 10:58:36 PM »

Quote from: NekoNekoRex on August 06, 2012, 10:55:14 PM

derp

best edit :]

Even scum and cult claiming 5 power roles = ~3-5 clears + night actions work themselves out.

I have no name · « **Reply #66 on:** August 06, 2012, 11:00:10 PM »

That setup could work if it were a closed setup I think.

Raitaki · « **Reply #67 on:** August 06, 2012, 11:07:31 PM »

Quote from: ActionDan on August 06, 2012, 10:48:49 PM

To be honest I just read the available roles and isn't that game literally broken by a mass-claim?

Private PM conversations are the heart of SEN mafia. It's pretty much guaranteed that to some degree some townies would form secret societies with other players, and this act naturally makes them more leery of uninvolved players, which makes them more likely to attempt deceit, etc etc. Honestly some of the regular players got so good at deceit anyone who knows that would outright reject the mere idea of mass roleclaims :3

SEN mafia has quite a lot of setups where VTs are absent, and there were plenty of times people attempted to facilitate massclaims by using a confirmed townie as a hub. Every single time enough players from all factions reject for the massclaim to fail to break the game.

Also SEN mafia rarely has open setups. EDIT: Where the exact number of each role is known. Also we like to throw in roles with withheld powers (see Beguiler) or roles even not mentioned in the OP at all, and those usually have powers that are immensely handy for fakeclaiming

Like last game (that Resident Evil mafia I linked in the previous thread) I was Beguiler, and I got the same powers as Watcher, Cop (the RE version can only tell if a person's a zombie or not, and zombie's somewhat like cult) and 1 additional town action AND role PMs of all non-zombie roles in the game, in exchange for town having no VT and a whole bunch of good power roles, near the end pretty much everyone confirmed a townie role (including me) to the town vig, and I still lost

GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em · « **Reply #68 on:** August 06, 2012, 11:09:01 PM »

im cop confirmed doublevoter announcer governor claimtome

ActionDan · « **Reply #69 on:** August 06, 2012, 11:19:25 PM »

My reactions to affinity's lynch

ok not really.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #70 on:** August 06, 2012, 11:19:59 PM »

Quote from: Raitaki on August 06, 2012, 11:07:31 PM

Private PM conversations are the heart of SEN mafia. It's pretty much guaranteed that to some degree some townies would form secret societies with other players, and this act naturally makes them more leery of uninvolved players, which makes them more likely to attempt deceit, etc etc. Honestly some of the regular players got so good at deceit anyone who knows that would outright reject the mere idea of mass roleclaims :3

I don't think you understand. He's saying that it doesn't matter if you're good at deceit or not. If there are this many open roles, if everyone claims at the start, the non-town automatically lose. You can only counterclaim so many people. A bunch of town becomes confirmed town and you have 4 1 vs 1's where the other power roles can concentrate their powers. Your argument appears to be that people don't do this because no one where you play is good at mafia. :V

Edit: LOL You even have a mayor role so you can double-lynch. Lynch both of a suspect and you get a guarenteed town and scum lynch combined. You can do it at least twice.

ActionDan · « **Reply #71 on:** August 06, 2012, 11:25:39 PM »

yes exactly, it pays for town to be truthful. If the meta over there is to have fun lying to each other in order to somehow catch the sneaky sneaky scum then no one will be able to trust anything.

which is a bit fucked up.

edit for edit.

hell they have a big that can't be counter-claimed (because it will resolve in the night), mayor could triple lynch D1 (also Mayor can't be counter-claimed because it's a day-role)

Raitaki · « **Reply #72 on:** August 06, 2012, 11:32:33 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on August 06, 2012, 11:19:59 PM

I don't think you understand. He's saying that it doesn't matter if you're good at deceit or not. If there are this many open roles, if everyone claims at the start, the non-town automatically lose. You can only counterclaim so many people. A bunch of town becomes confirmed town and you have 4 1 vs 1's where the other power roles can concentrate their powers. Your argument appears to be that people don't do this because no one where you play is good at mafia. :V

A lot of people will jolt and decline because people pretty much fakeclaiming 80% of the time. All factions have done this, including townie, and because we play with more power roles (or sometimes no VTs at all) and closed setups it's not hard to claim a minor power role and when someone counterclaims you just shrug and be all like "How do you know the mod didn't put this many of this role into the game". Town power roles are a lot less inclined to claim their true role because usually scum has more than 1 NK to start out with, and they can just find someone they trust (or can confirm their role to them) to relay their night results to and have that person either act as a proxy or start bandwagons against people their night results tell them is scum.
Also not to mention there are at least 2 competent regulars that a) are both adept at swaying the player mass and b) loves to have fun by trying to manipulate as much of the game as they can. They are also the most likely players to refuse to claim, and they've never supported a massclaim except for localized massclaims within the secret PM societies they form

@Dan: This is an environment where free communication is allowed and facilitated at all times. Sure, not many players may not try to lie publicly in the thread, but the workings of their underground communications force them to be on their toes.
Also Mayor's triple lynch only applies when there is a tie. And Mayor is elected.

Omba · « **Reply #73 on:** August 06, 2012, 11:36:45 PM »

So in essence, toxic meta because of excessive role madness setups.
Try playing a few mostly vanilla games (or even one, two mountainous) and watch that meta crumble. :V

Shadoweh · « **Reply #74 on:** August 06, 2012, 11:38:12 PM »

Quote from: Shadoweh on August 06, 2012, 11:19:59 PM

Your argument appears to be that people don't do this because no one where you play is good at mafia. :V

Raitaki · « **Reply #75 on:** August 06, 2012, 11:38:38 PM »

Quote from: Omba on August 06, 2012, 11:36:45 PM

So in essence, toxic meta because of excessive role madness setups.
Try playing a few mostly vanilla games (or even one, two mountainous) and watch that meta crumble. :V

It's not the roles' fault.

It's the players and the PMs