Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Mystia's Stored Games => Topic started by: O4rfish on July 01, 2014, 01:50:37 AM
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Congratulations! Your name is on the list of beneficiaries for the New Human Village Wilderness Foundation charter. As a chartered beneficiary, you have the ability and responsibility to nominate trustees to the board, voting and campaigning for them as necessary.
It is Saturday in the New Human Village. Numerous individuals both human and otherwise have demanded the Foundation be organized immediately. They have offered to host and cater the banquet tomorrow, which leaves you with the minimum amount of time to assemble a board of trustees.
Today you will vote for the first of three trustees for the board. Tomorrow you will decide on the remaining seats.
During the Foundation banquet, a beneficiary will deliver a speech inaugurating the Foundation, and setting out its long-term plan. This will characterize the Foundation and set the tone for all its future endeavors. This means it is vital for the trustees to select a beneficiary who shares their ideas and beliefs, but due to certain bylaws they cannot select one of their own for this task.
Unfortunately, there are rumors of Youkai infiltrating your number. Such youkai may have the power to secretly communicate, or to manipulate the writing on the charter itself.
Rules of the game:
1. Don't be a dick. This includes anything that would get you warned by a mod of this forum.
2. Don't do something that would get you modkilled in most any other game of Mafia.
3. Play to win. The win conditions are different in this game, which may require different strategy than you are used to.
4. Do not discuss this game with anyone, except in this thread, the Boardroom, and the Youkai quicktopic. Do not give links to those topics to anyone.
Game mechanics:
All players start as beneficiaries. Beneficiaries who are not trustees may post and vote in this thread.
Voting results in a beneficiary becoming a trustee. Trustees may not post and vote in this thread. Trustees have access to the Boardroom, where they may post and vote.
When a player becomes a trustee, that player's faction is made public.
The two factions are Human and Youkai. Youkai players have access to the Youkai quicktopic.
After the first trustee is elected, the Youkai faction will select another trustee.
Once a quorum of three trustees has been installed in the Boardroom, this thread will be locked until the game is over.
The quorum of three trustees will elect one beneficiary who is not a trustee to win the game. That player's faction also wins.
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... and Representatives of the New Human Village, being the undersigned, will take it upon themselves to select a Board of Trustees which, upon reaching a quorum ...
The charter is long and I'm not going to type out the whole thing. Let's just say this part here is the list of players.
01 ActionDan
02 CF7
03 Dr Rawr
04 Raikaria
05 Raitaki
06 Zakeri
Trustees:
02 CF7 (Human)
03 Dr Rawr (Human)
06 Zakeri (Human)
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Hello; let's get this rollin'
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If you're townie and you know it clap your hands
*clap clap*
If you're townie and you know it clap your hands
*clap clap*
If you're townie and you know it and you really want to show it, lynch the scum
*X_X X_X*
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i didnt understand any part of my role pm but here i am
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lebnesraum
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thats a dinosaur right?
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O, hai!
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zzz
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my life for aiur
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He said we could start after 6 confirmation posts so....
##Vote: Dr Rawr
I'd feel most confident about humans winning if I were eliminated. The only alternative person I would let become a trustee is actiondan but I'm my own #1 choice.
I'm pretty sure I have a better chance of getting overtime at work then us eliminating both youkai.
So yea I'm pretty much treating this as kingmaker. Except we get 3 kings or w/e this game is
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Or I guess you guys could use logic to talk me out of this I guess
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The best way to go about this is by at least trying to lynch off scum and hopefully in the process of doing that (and a reasonable assumption) that we become more townie (or scummy) to some degree that reflects our actual alignments.
Instead of suiciding and selfishly attempting to place the final outcome in your own hands which is tantamount to what you are suggesting.
##Vote Raikaria
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If you're townie and you know it and you really want to show it, lynch the scum
In simpler terms.
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We should at least try to nab one scum if for no other reason than because I'd rather a 66% blindfire chance to win than 33%.
##Vote: Raitaki
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im actually confused again. can youkai become trustees?
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trustees = dead people . scum trustees don't vote.
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Like Dan said, they can become trustees, but we automatically toss their vote out.
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Well, i trust Raikaria. Totally.
##Vote Raikaria.
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Oh right, vote count. I forgot that was a thing.
Dr Rawr (1) Dr Rawr
Raikaria (2) ActionDan, CF7
Raitaki (1) Zakeri
Raikaria is at L-2.
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Shouldn't we just play this like a normal mafia game? If we just lynch scummy people first then townier people would be left right? I have no idea why considering to vote oneself to become trustee even seems like a good idea to anyone.
Also, CF7, why did you vote Raikaria because you trust him after 2 people agree that lynching scum first is better?
##Vote: CF7
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I honestly don't even fully understand the setup.
I guess we want to 'lynch' scum however. Going by what Actiondan is saying and 'Trustee Youkai lose their vote' and stuff. Which means CF7's reasoning is against this. If he trusts me why vote me?
#Vote: CF7
And I just realized I'm basically voting for the same reason as Raitaki but I don't have anything else to vote about atm.
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I interpreted it as sarcasm
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##Unvote
Shouldn't we just play this like a normal mafia game? If we just lynch scummy people first then townier people would be left right? I have no idea why considering to vote oneself to become trustee even seems like a good idea to anyone.
not gonna lie i kinda laughed after the thought of us eliminating both scum in a row. but seeing that scum do become trustees lets see if we get lucky with the first vote and make it a nice 66% chance
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##Vote: CF7
yea sure id let cf7 become a trustee. i dont think he reads the game often after his lynch anyways. i also think its meta to lynch him day 1
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CF7 (3) Dr Rawr, Raikaria, Raitaki
Raikaria (2) ActionDan, CF7
Raitaki (1) Zakeri
CF7 is at L-1.
Raikaria is at L-2.
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##Unvote
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Oookay, so you're putting CF7 at L-1 with the intention to lynch because he wouldn't read the game after becoming kingmaker and because "it's meta to lynch him day 1"?
##Vote: DrRawr
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or this all could just be some elaborate ruse
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also to your question yes i am voting and putting him at l-1 for that! i dont see any proof hes not scum right now and seeing as two people voted him over one post he is the most scummy thus should be voted off the island.
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Why are you asking for a reason for my RVS vote? And that simply to indicate, that since our lynch targets are trustees, so i think we're lynching people whom we "trust".
##Vote: CF7
yea sure id let cf7 become a trustee. i dont think he reads the game often after his lynch anyways. i also think its meta to lynch him day 1
Btw, this reasoning is a pile of bullshit, tbh. So. Let's lynch someone. Also since he doesn't read the thread after his lynch, he's kinda useless in this game.
Is this coming from a townie? I don't think so, for some reason.
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dont worry cf7 i trust you so much right now ;)
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Why are you asking for a reason for my RVS vote?
Oh; I thought you were serious.
#Unvote
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and seeing as two people voted him over one post he is the most scummy thus should be voted off the island.
could you clarify whether this is a snappy comeback at Raitaki or part of the reason you voted CF7?
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for some reason I'm not interested in grilling Dr. Rawr, but I guess information is information.
I feel like he's the kind of human we shouldn't promote to trustee though.
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im the kind of person you should be voting for in game and in the graveyard.
could you clarify whether this is a snappy comeback at Raitaki or part of the reason you voted CF7?
snappy comeback but also kind of the reason i rolled with.
##Unvote
##Vote:Zakeri
for some reason I'm not interested in grilling Dr. Rawr, but I guess information is information.
I feel like he's the kind of human we shouldn't promote to trustee though.
im reading this as
"lets leave dr rawr for the end of the game seeing as hes already looks weird to some people" leading to dr rawr not being voted in the 3 person ending so scum win
i also think zakeri would actually vote me but he knows that i know that hes most likely scum and wouldnt vote for him in the graveyard
im bathing in trust from zakeri right now
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I'm completely at a loss as to who to lynch considering some people seem to want to get lynched to a degree.
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I don't like Rawr's earlier posts at all. However i look at them, i can't see them coming from a townie.
##Unvote
##Vote Dr Rawr
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I'm completely at a loss as to who to lynch considering some people seem to want to get lynched to a degree.
This has been old news that is not even true anymore (or possibly never was). Also, you indicated before that you were comfortable lynching scum, so being "completely at a loss" isn't due to equivocating over lynching townie or scummy people...... which makes me think this is just filler in lieu of a cognitive thought.
Zak. You say information is information and yet don't actually "grill [Rawr]". Are you relying on other people to "grill him"? What do you actually think of Rawr alignment wise, because you seem to be suggesting that he should be in an endgame scenario for some reason?
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I don't like Rawr's earlier posts at all. However i look at them, i can't see them coming from a townie.
##Unvote
##Vote Dr Rawr
i have no idea what youre talking about please explain your point
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i have no idea what youre talking about please explain your point
Your justification for lynching me.
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im bathing in trust from zakeri right now
You actually are.
In fact, in the game's current state you're the one I would vote for beneficiary.
I'm completely at a loss as to who to lynch considering some people seem to want to get lynched to a degree.
Lynch the ones who don't want to get lynched to a degree. Youkai chances drop significantly if we can get even just one of them.
Zak. You say information is information and yet don't actually "grill [Rawr]". Are you relying on other people to "grill him"? What do you actually think of Rawr alignment wise, because you seem to be suggesting that he should be in an endgame scenario for some reason?
I'm not relying on anyone to Grill him, I'm just saying I don't mind if you feel the need to continue doing so.
Also you're correct in picking up on that last part.
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Dr Rawr (2) CF7, Raitaki
Raikaria (1) ActionDan
Raitaki (1) Zakeri
Zakeri (1) Dr Rawr
Not voting: Raikaria
Dr Rawr is at L-2.
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So; I am right that we're actually trying to lynch the scums still; right?
Alright.
And Dan; my instinct is to lynch scum; but some more people afterwards started acting like they wanted to be lynched which confused me.
Isn't it a bit early to suggest that someone should be around in an endgame scenario?
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i dont think its a good idea to set anyone up for end game right now because scum still get that one kill haha
@CF7
i dont see why youre so strung up about that its not like being lynched is a bad thing :D
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You actually are.
In fact, in the game's current state you're the one I would vote for beneficiary.
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Also you're correct in picking up on that last part.
im assuming you mean trustee and not beneficiary but if not i dont know
little confused on this, you want me in the end game and want me a trustee? im getting mixed feelings
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no he wants you to win along with your faction.
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i dont see why youre so strung up about that its not like being lynched is a bad thing :D
Are we playing the same game? You said yourself that i won't be useful the graveyard (actually i do read the thread after my death, but w/e). So you want to put a player who is not useful in the graveyard to the graveyard. If you can convince me, that this is coming from a townie perspective, then i'll consider voting someone else.
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@cf7
nah im fine with this keep it up bud. maybe one day we look past this and be like "wow dr rawr that was a really lame post you made" and then ill be like "well cf7 it was bait to see if people could quick lynch me into the graveyard". to think i was one vote away from becoming a trustee lol oh wait i still am :derp:
still completely confused by zakeris #41 but maybe he can come in and clarify what he thinks of my alignment because im feeling less trusted and more confused
raitaki kinda dropped the ball and hasnt posted for awhile but i guess he doesnt need to since no mod prods.
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Still keeping on to my vote. Pretty convinced rawr is scum. I don't think a town!rawr would be as confident about being useful in the graveyard, and getting lynched doesn't really hurt scum as much in this setup imo. If rawr really flips scum I'd consider a CF7/rawr scum team.
Interested in Zak's reply to people pointing out his contradictions. I'm not really sure how it relates to his alignment, though.
CF7 still hasn't answered why he ignored people saying we should lynch at least one scum before his vote, though his meta is somewhat selective awareness of the game so this doesn't make him nearly as bad as rawr.
Also between browser freezing from the massive lag caused by AVG scanning, and my ISP shitting on my internet, this post took 1 hour to finish. Is this real life
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I think it's a little soon to be throwing out scumpairs.
Also I don't think Rawr saying he wants to be lynched is that damning; considering if I'm getting the setup right we, the townies, want to lynch the scums. Why would a scum want to be lynched?
That said; it could be a reverse-psychology ploy.
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I'm not saying it's damning, I meant it doesn't make him any less scummy. Like how you were less sure of lynching him because he was trying to get himself lynched.
Also I'm pretty sure D2 is the last day phase in this setup right? Seems like as good a time to plan ahead and read into scumpairs as any :V
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Here's food for thought if I were Scum why would I want myself lynched?
It would lower Scum chance of winning from 66% to a 33%.
I'd you don't believe me...
##Unvote
##Vote Dr Rawr
With zakeri being weird with his opinion of me and cheerleading on my wagon he probably wouldn't get my vote. He is probably Scum and should be lynched over me.
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Dr Rawr (3) CF7, Dr Rawr, Raitaki
Raikaria (1) ActionDan
Raitaki (1) Zakeri
Not voting: Raikaria
Dr Rawr is at L-1.
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I did mean beneficiary, not trustee, if I wanted to vote Rawr as Trustee I'd have done so.
My stand isn't contradictory, I'm just saying I don't think a Youkai aligned person would make the first few posts he did. First order of business in this game is to figure out what your win condition is and how to achieve it, and Rawr did that in this thread with the rest of us instead of in a quicktopic with his partner.
And yeah, I agree that we should be hunting scum instead of town, but the thing is I've always had a stronger townsense and the increased emphasis on that is actually super cool for me.
Also I realize a flaw in my plan is that I'm automatically assuming I'll be voted as a Trustee somehow, but yeah this is what I have so far on the game.
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I am not sure i fully understand what is going on.
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i have no idea either, no one has seemed to form an opinion on who they think are scum besides me you and raitaki.
zakeri, since as you say seem to be able to point out town easier then scum how would the idea of eliminating the most townest people and leaving the scummier people alive? i guess finding scum can be to hard but finding town maybe easier
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that idea i just made would probably leave me as one of the remainders depending on maybe actiondans, raikaris, and scums opinion of me. but since you seem to have some awkward town opinion of me either i get eliminated by scum or you vote me in the end.
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i dont know why i pressed post but w/e. obvious outcome is town wins
i think people should post out who they think is town OR scum. if we go with my idea of lynching the townest universal town opinions should be voted for
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also not a scum ploy because
1 im putting myself at l-1 which is the most dumbass thing scum could do to themselves in this game
2 i could have stayed quit and not suggested it
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Yes; well I more have a list of someone I think is not scum; and honestly I'm pretty null on everyone else.
I'm pretty confident Rawr is town; his actions make no sense as scum; and I'm town of course. But between the remainders? Couldn't tellya who's scum. Aside from the huge lack of content to go by I also don't see anything that looks like a scumtell...
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Yeah, lack of content is a thing. Not sure what my town reads are, tbh. I am slightly gut scum with Zakeri. Not sure about Rawr. His behavior does not really make sense. For the lack of better alternatives still keeping my vote on him.
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Also this ain't gonna help but I'm in London all weekend so yeah; my activity next two days? Good luck.
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I admit, a lot of why I think Rawr is scum involves unhealthy doses of WIFOM that I don't see it necessary to share here, but then again there hasn't been enough going on to really decide who else to vote for, and Rawr seems to want to become a trustee himself, so eh.
Also cousins came over and wanted to see Universal Studios, so I'm going on V/LA for like 24 hours.
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I was without Internet yesterday and probably will be so today.
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Hummm... Is it just me, or there's no day limit?
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Also my internet connection is less than stellar too. Weird.
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I don't have enough frowny faces for this game. I have no idea how cf7 possibly could gut scum read zakeri and keep his vote on me.
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Slightly scum read on Zakeri. You're a bit more than slightly.
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OK my access is gonna be severely limited in a few hours so I'mma gonna dump that I think CF7 is town. Everyone else is slightly different shades of null; which considering most of the posts in this thread are CF7; makes sense.
I also have a townread on myself as well.
I'm just going to follow my gut here; and say Raitaki's not being as active in the earlygame as he usually is; which could suggest a different alignment from him. This is 100% gut.
#Vote: Raitaki
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Slightly scum read on Zakeri. You're a bit more than slightly.
thats not the point how can you even scum read him when im also scum reading him.
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also yes no day limit hurray maybe someone could end it by hammering me
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thats not the point how can you even scum read him when im also scum reading him.
Well, i don't see how both can't be true. I still need to think about all this. Also i'll prolong your suffering i guess.
##Unvote.
Going to sleep soon. And then i'll reread the thread when i am awake in like 10 hours.
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in what universe could both possibly be true. yet again end game it would lower scum chance of winning from 66% to a 33% chance of winning. for what reason would i bus my scum buddy zakeri and think its a good idea.
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I don't have any rules set up for time limits or minimum activity, and I don't want to change the rules while the game is being played. If I were to do this again, I would put in something, as I have thought of a couple ideas since the game started.
However, it doesn't seem that bad as it is.
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Dr Rawr (2) Dr Rawr, Raitaki
Raikaria (1) ActionDan
Raitaki (2) Raikaria, Zakeri
Not voting: CF7
Dr Rawr is at L-2.
Raitaki is at L-2.
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Slightly scum read on Zakeri. You're a bit more than slightly.
Could you describe this more, because the post Rawr was responding to made it sound like you were more suspicious of me but kept on him because "Whatever who cares?".
thats not the point how can you even scum read him when im also scum reading him.
Because being suspicious and trying to vote for scum is not a thing exclusive to town. appearing town is super important for scum this game.
everyone's gone today and I thought I'd be able to make up for my once per day style the past two days. Oh well.
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dr rawr trying to get himself lynched while also bussing his scum buddy to look town. the ultimate scum play among scum plays :smug:
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anyways could someone at least humor the idea i posted on the last page posts 56-59
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Could you describe this more, because the post Rawr was responding to made it sound like you were more suspicious of me but kept on him because "Whatever who cares?".
Well, as i said i have a slight gut scum read on you. I can't quite place it. Maybe it's activity, or lack of there of, but everyone in this game is guilty of this to some degree, maybe it's something else. You're less scummy than Rawr, tho.
@Rawr, i don't think that lynching the towniest players is such a good idea. Because by that logic, there will be no easy picks for graveyard vote by the end.
Also i still think that your behavior is likely to be a crazy ass scum conspiracy.
After some more analysis, if i'd go with meta (including my own), i'd vote Raikaria for meta reasons. They might be wrong and i do not want to rely on meta too much, but it's there.
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Also my pc internet connectivity is quite bad so i'll be using my vita, which honestly is not better than phone posting.
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The idea is people are having harder time to find Scum rather then finding town
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So I sat down and actually thought about Rawr's suggestion. At first I was like "okay we do that then all the people trustees would rather vote for would be in graveyard ???" but then I realized with scum being this hard to find in this game relying on a 66% random chance to win might actually be more reliable than our scumradars? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh mindfucks
I guess I'm leaning town the most on Zak and Raikaria? Mostly gut I guess, they haven't tripped any real red flags yet, though I'm more confident of town!Raikaria than town!Zak since I read the former correctly more often. Dan and NNR are too non-existent to really read.
I'm a little bit miffed that Raikaria thinks I'm scum for less than normal activity in a game with like, three pages of posts after like 4 days. Is this your new convenient catchphrase for scumreading me or something :I
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Wait dafuq I'm saying. We win by trustees voting town, not scum.
Rawr you're indirectly confusing me get out of here >_>
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So yeah I'm pretty sure Rawr's suggestion is no good since if the towniest are in trustee board who would they vote for.
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Like I said it's easier to find town than scum. Bonus points if we also lynch Scum before we get three trustees. Game is going nowhere so we need to do something
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Why not find the towniest then lynch the other people
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Then let's lynch actiondan and raikaria. I'll give zakeri credit for actually playing the game.
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I think we still need to lynch scum. This whole graveyard voting/victory is so backwards. Anyway.
##Vote Dr Rawr.
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I'm a little bit miffed that Raikaria thinks I'm scum for less than normal activity in a game with like, three pages of posts after like 4 days. Is this your new convenient catchphrase for scumreading me or something :I
Yeah but usually you're really active ED1. So am I too.
Anyway; as I said; slight scumread; and pure gut. And it's not even a scumread. It's a nullread with gut.
Anyway; just got back for the night at 23:10 my time. More in the morning. Apologies.
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Dr Rawr (3) CF7, Dr Rawr, Raitaki
Raikaria (1) ActionDan
Raitaki (2) Raikaria, Zakeri
Not voting:
Dr Rawr is at L-1.
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wow i guess the concept of finding town among 3 people is hard so i guess that idea is out the door. here are my thoughts on everyone just to some how keep this game alive and going
cf7 is town because at least hes playing/posting and trying to push for a lynch. i wish he had 2 votes just to finish me off
raiakria at least made some kind of effort to post and make content but honestly i cant really blame him too much for having NO reads, im leaning more town than scum.
actiondan is scum nearly 4 days and no posts and im not counting that post with his excuse
raitaki is town because again hes making some kind of effort to play
zakeri ill always think hes scummy from his posts and the POE is securing it even more. i would explain why i think hes scummy but you know i dont think anyone actually gives a fuck and ill be now calling this the bardiche effect. id come up with something cooler but my who cares
so overall zakeri/actiondan scum picks, if either flipped town id say raikaria is scum confirmed then. anyways ill see you fellas later, the lack of deadline and prods makes the urgency to play this game non existent for everyone.
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you know i have alot of pictures saved on my computer for different situation but i cant seem to find the right one
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wow i guess the concept of finding town among 3 people is hard so i guess that idea is out the door. here are my thoughts on everyone just to some how keep this game alive and going
cf7 is town because at least hes playing/posting and trying to push for a lynch. i wish he had 2 votes just to finish me off
raiakria at least made some kind of effort to post and make content but honestly i cant really blame him too much for having NO reads, im leaning more town than scum.
actiondan is scum nearly 4 days and no posts and im not counting that post with his excuse
raitaki is town because again hes making some kind of effort to play
zakeri ill always think hes scummy from his posts and the POE is securing it even more. i would explain why i think hes scummy but you know i dont think anyone actually gives a fuck and ill be now calling this the bardiche effect. id come up with something cooler but my who cares
so overall zakeri/actiondan scum picks, if either flipped town id say raikaria is scum confirmed then. anyways ill see you fellas later, the lack of deadline and prods makes the urgency to play this game non existent for everyone.
Yeah I pretty much agree with this now. Raitaki made effort since my gut vote earlier and that was with a V/LA,
Also how did I get CF7 muddled with Rawr when I gave my townread yesterday? I guess it was sleepy hurry.
I'mma stay on Raitaki because I actually want Rawr to explain about Zakeri. I do care. Even if it'll take me god knows how many hours to see it today.
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Despite not having a day limit i suggest we consolidate on someone in next 24 hours. I have low motivation to play in general and this game saps it quite fast. I am fine with lynching Dan, because of his absence. Also i am fine with Dr Rawr's lynch. The rest looks town/null-ish at the moment. And i guess we kinda need flips to progress.
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##Unvote
##vote: rawr
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I Agree with CF7 on the self-imposed limit. I feel pretty guilty for not posting yesterday at all, and it's worsened by the fact that we're still at a point where new content posts are still at a minimum effort level.
Rawr is still town due to derp, and kind of because gambit but that second part doesn't matter.
Dan is easy content so far
Raikaria seems like a lost townie to me.
I'm suspicious of Raitaki, but I can't really get it down. I think it might just be that I'm in general associating knowing what you're doing this game as inherently scummy, which is probably a bad idea considering how much it was discussed, and how much I myself am one of the people clarifying the games rules.
My read on CF7 is muddled due to the way he responded to Rawr. It feels scummy on first impulse, but a townie could very easily have made those very same posts for personalized-scumhunting reasons.
So my basic voting order right now is Dan, Raitaki, and then CF7, which puts CF7 into nulltown-by-virtue-of-numbers range for me.
Cut: ...great. wonderful. Posting this anyway since no rules on twilight.
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Waits for flip
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Actiondan a man of action
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Actiondan a man of action
Indeed
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Dr Rawr (4) ActionDan, CF7, Dr Rawr, Raitaki
Raitaki (2) Raikaria, Zakeri
Not voting:
Dr Rawr has been elected to the position of Trustee, and moved to the Boardroom.
It is now Night 1.
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When a player becomes a trustee, that player's faction is made public.
I am either blind or stupid. Maybe both. Yet i can't see Rawr's alignment.
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Oh right.
Dr Rawr is a Human.
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Sunday morning, you wake to discover the writing on the charter has been slightly altered. The name of CF7 has been written in the list of Trustees. Even though this happened without you voting on it, the rules are clear. CF7 the Human is now a Trustee.
This makes things simpler for you. The four of you will elect one more Trustee, and then you will have a quorum.
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##Vote: ActionDan
1. He's probably youkai
2. He's a smart guy who knows town even in the off chance he's not a youkai
3. he probably is anyways.
4. there's no point in not voting since lylo rules are different and scum can't quickhammer anyways.
5. I was gonna vote him yesterday anyways but couldn't because well timed hammer.
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Well this is awkward. If there are 2 scums; that means we don't have a majority.
Anyway; I don't think it's Rawr; since he put in about 1,000 times more town effort than everyone elsein the entire game combined. It's not me; I know this and I have a role PM which says that is a fact.
Which means process of elimination makes it Dan and Zakeri.
#Vote: Zakeri
Cut by Zakeri himself. It's not like a quickhammer can happen anyway so imo splitting the vote until Rawr gets back is a good thing anyway so he can sorta check the logic.
Also finally back from my con; so I actually have ~*Free Time*~
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(Rawr's dead)
Unfortunately the task of finding town in Raitaki/Raikaria/Zakeri is daunting, so at least off that criteria I'd rather not go to the grave yard.
Call me scum for the Rawr hammer but I thought he was doing tactics by leaving himself at L-1 with his vote on himself. Also wanting to lynch me for inactivity + the turnaround of his CF7 read.
The funny thing is maybe Zakeri is town. Raitaki and Raikaria have had mirroring opinions for the most part (besides the one on Rawr. but he's dead so w/e). Picking out the odd-one-out might yield dividends.
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This is not the first time I have confused CF7 and Rawr this game; although those might not have made the actual post.
OK; so first thing first; that renders my logic completely gone since... yeah... the only active guy died.
#Unvote
Time to go think about stuff to try and not hit the 1/3rd chance that I hit a fellow townie and cause a 2/3 chance to lose rather than 1/3.
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I still think Raikaria is town. The way he puts all his opinions on the table and how he backpedaled from the Dr Rawr lynch looks pretty much like the average town!Raikaria to me. Dan afking all D1 then just coming to just hammer is totes scum to me, and I doubt anyone in their right mind would vote for him to win even if they don't think he's definitely scum, so I don't think it hurts town's chances any if Dan doesn't get lynched. That leaves Zak. It's just PoE but at least if he's really scum then town pretty much won :V
##Vote: Zakeri
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The last two posts above this one give me chills.
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The last two posts above this one give me chills.
Care to elaborate on this matter? Instead of just keeping all those opinions to yourself; of course. They ain't doing any good there.
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Also I'm fairly confident that Actiondan is probobly scum; but I also doubt he would be voted for anyway; like Raitaki. I think the more prudent course of action is to find the non-Dan scum; which could be Raitaki; CF7 or Zakeri; and none of them even have much content to look at and I'm drawing blanks.
I'll sleep on it and wait to see if there is more content and how Actiondan responds to my prod for more info.
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Also it's worth mentioning last time I was pretty sure Dan was scum; he was town.
So there's that too.
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Or no-one can post while I am sleeping which usually results in a flurry of activity.
Anyway; I have a theory. Dan hammered Rawr when Rawr said he had a theory on why Zakeri is scum; and I asked him for an explanation.
Could Dan have been attempting to stop Rawr from explaining why Zakeri is his scumbuddy?
If this is the case; that means the second scum is probobly Zakeri.
##Vote: Zakeri
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Posting. But them chills I got were because inaccurate information was presented by you and raitaki was quick to condemn me b/c of lurk
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Also your theory is an ok attempt to piece something together (maybe), but I hammered rawr because I thought he had as good as any chance of being scum.
I think Zakeri is the other town here tbh. Raitaki and Raikaria seem more detached despite what posting frequency might otherwise indicate.
Zakeri what are you thinking? would you like a counterwagon on someone in particular even if you don't trust me (yet, because I am very town atm and I think you will see the light)?
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ActionDan (1) Zakeri
Zakeri (2) Raikaria, Raitaki
Not voting: ActionDan
Zakeri is at L-1.
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Also your theory is an ok attempt to piece something together (maybe), but I hammered rawr because I thought he had as good as any chance of being scum.
I think Zakeri is the other town here tbh. Raitaki and Raikaria seem more detached despite what posting frequency might otherwise indicate.
Zakeri what are you thinking? would you like a counterwagon on someone in particular even if you don't trust me (yet, because I am very town atm and I think you will see the light)?
Can you not contradict yourself? If I'm detached how can you admit that I'm making an ok attempt to put something together? Also; what about CF7? I find it strange how you are completely ignoring him.
The third paragraph is just hilarious. Seriously? Asking Zakeri if he wants a counterwagon? Can you buddy any harder?
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CF7 is definitely lurking at this point.
In fact I think we should just kill him now.
##Vote: CF7
Well just because you have a theory doesn't mean you aren't detached
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I'm aware enough to call you out on ignoreing CF7; which appears to have randomly made you swap from FoS'ing me and Raitaki to voting CF7.
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Actually I'm just trying to prove a point about detachment.
Anyway I give up. You and Raitaki are the scum team.
CF7 is probably laughing.
Zak is lurking so MAYBE he's scum, maybe. if he had a partner it's a coin toss between the two of you, but hopefully the graveyard will choose me.
actually. Raikaria, will you vote me instead of Zakeri? (Or Raitaki if you're around would you vote me?)
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Hmm?
I already explained why voting you is folly. And Rawr said the same thing.
And Rawr was town.
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he did?
I'm happy he thinks I'm town then. It would be very appreciated if he voted for me to win with my faction. He probably will vote for me now along with CF7. I am being very town and it shows imo.
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##Unvote
I can't be fully certain because of the way Lylo works, but I'm feeling pretty certain Dan is the other town now thanks to how things went down yesterday.
I feel like (in the case Dan is town) that the Rais are banking on Karia being the one to be selected tomorrow against Dan. There's a bit of trying to trip town flags in the unvote against me, as well as the contradictory stance on Dan which is an attempt to look like he's thinking hard about things.
Of course, it might also be Raikaria really is town. Man, it feels really bad going back to square one after having had the hang of mafia for so long because I can see myself falling into WiFoM traps I never would have given thought to before. It's been so long since I've even used the word wifom.
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It also never occurred to me until it was brought up but we can't possibly lynch scum without busing or self-votes.
From my stance, I feel like Raikaria and Dan are the safe lynch because to me it would make the other one the opposite alignment.
Of course, this depends on Rawr and CF7 believing I'm town, which if they did hard enough wouldn't matter who we lynched anyway besides me. I'm not feeling confident in that, though.
I think Raitaki would be the better bet for this because then we'd reduce the flat chance of the Trustees being wrong.
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actiondan is scum nearly 4 days and no posts and im not counting that post with his excuse
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zakeri ill always think hes scummy from his posts and the POE is securing it even more. i would explain why i think hes scummy but you know i dont think anyone actually gives a fuck and ill be now calling this the bardiche effect. id come up with something cooler but my who cares
so overall zakeri/actiondan scum picks, if either flipped town id say raikaria is scum confirmed then. anyways ill see you fellas later, the lack of deadline and prods makes the urgency to play this game non existent for everyone.
Despite not having a day limit i suggest we consolidate on someone in next 24 hours. I have low motivation to play in general and this game saps it quite fast. I am fine with lynching Dan, because of his absence. Also i am fine with Dr Rawr's lynch. The rest looks town/null-ish at the moment. And i guess we kinda need flips to progress.
The graveyard both anted to lynch you Dan. It's pretty reasonable to assume they wouldn't vote you. Which is why while I think that you are the scum; it is more prudent to lynch the HIDDEN scum than you. The grave isn't voting you regardless; don't need to worry about you.
Anyway; re-reading Zakeri actually makes me think he's not necessarily Dan's scumbuddy. He's actually been rather vocal against Dan; at least; compared to everyone else.
However Zakeri; I think it is worth mentioning this:
You think one of the scums is me or Dan; right? And we're mutually exclusive. Meaning one of us is town; and one of us is scum.
I think it is safe to assume you assume you are not scum. Which leaves only one player for the remaining scum.
Which would confirm Raitaki as scum from your PoV.
So... why are you not voting Raitaki?
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Also Raitaki; your three cents would be useful at this junction.
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Also why do I keep thinking that CF7 is alive?
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The graveyard both anted to lynch you Dan. It's pretty reasonable to assume they wouldn't vote you. Which is why while I think that you are the scum; it is more prudent to lynch the HIDDEN scum than you. The grave isn't voting you regardless; don't need to worry about you.
Anyway; re-reading Zakeri actually makes me think he's not necessarily Dan's scumbuddy. He's actually been rather vocal against Dan; at least; compared to everyone else.
However Zakeri; I think it is worth mentioning this:
You think one of the scums is me or Dan; right? And we're mutually exclusive. Meaning one of us is town; and one of us is scum.
I think it is safe to assume you assume you are not scum. Which leaves only one player for the remaining scum.
Which would confirm Raitaki as scum from your PoV.
So... why are you not voting Raitaki?
Well I think dead people who thought I was scum would vote me. probably.
Better to get a scum dead then "finding" a "hidden" scum because they'd be hidden anyway if you didn't "find" them which whether not choosen or lynched, it's the same chance I believe.
Anyway Zakeri, will you waffle only now after not talking for some days?
:/.
Save your thoughts, I have decided.
##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri
I think the current graveyard needs to know your alignment to solve this puzzle. And ya definitely it's mutually exclusive if one of me or Raikaria is scum. I think Graveyard needs to prove it one way or the other with your lynch. Because if you do flip scum, the game will be a lot easier to win for town.
If you flip town. I have to trust that no one will vote for Raitaki (pretty certainly not) and that people will see the light wrt Raikaria. I mean CF7 is dead for Christ sakes. Also I have been a lot more town and engaged than Raikaria.
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I honestly still am banking on Raikaria Raitaki combo, but the world needs to know this flip.
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Both are cowards that did not vote me, knowing my town flip would destroy them.
GY, you should vote me tomorrow if Zak flips town. I am town, I am not tricking you. You must vote me in order to win. I will understand if you don't, but to have glory and win, you must. If Zak flips scum, you should still vote for me, because It would be a coin toss otherwise tbh.
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Gentlemans I take mon leave. The game is no longer up to me; may the trustees guide us and not fall to the evil that begins with Rai.
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Zakeri (3) ActionDan, Raikaria, Raitaki
Not voting: Zakeri
Zakeri the Human has been elected a Trustee.
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Was he town or scum?
edit: wow hi Vhaltz's account. This is Mitsuki.
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Jeez, give me a chance to do the things first.
The remainder of this game will take place in the Boardroom. This thread will be updated when the Trustees have reached an agreement.
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The trustees have decided on a speaker. That evening, during the banquet, Raikaria the Human delivers a speech describing the purpose and duty of the Foundation to eradicate wilderness around the village, for safety and usability. Two of the chartered beneficiaries slink off into the night.
Game over. Town wins!
Youkai qt (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/kTbawTkB4Zm6Q)
Boardroom (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/iqKgVm6wXMtwP)
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I would like to thank my players
01 ActionDan (Youkai)
02 CF7 (Human)
03 Dr Rawr (Human)
04 Raikaria (Human)
05 Raitaki (Youkai)
06 Zakeri (Human)
for playing my first Mafia game.
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wait, so scum had a nightkill that only furthered town's goals?
Okay, Oarfish, you really shouldn't rely on extreme gimmicks if it's your first time modding. Lord knows my first setup had a trainwreck waiting (I had a town player who could see the scum QT, lol) but I got lucky because said player died early.
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Oh hey; I won.
And I knew you were scum Actiondan; it was just that everyone else knew you were scum that was dead already [Well; both said you were a strong scumread for them] so I was figuring 'Might as well confirm which of Zakeri/Raitaki it is'. If we lynched the scum out of the pair; then town would win for sure. If we lynched the town out of them; then I'd just put stock in process of elimination coming through with the general scumread Rawr and CF7 had on you.
Not exactly my favorite game of mafia to date; but I'll take a town win.
Also reading the boardroom makes me D:
I was trying to be town but there was so little content for me to be town with
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Well after I quick hammered Rawr it was fairly obvious imo. I was amused to see Zakeri got injected with some wifom. I think it was quite na?ve to think that me and Raikaria would be mutually exclusive scum/town though.
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yea no kidding, i almost did vote actiondan in the graveyard two but not because he was town
:trollface:
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Poor Zak.
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Well after I quick hammered Rawr it was fairly obvious imo. I was amused to see Zakeri got injected with some wifom. I think it was quite na?ve to think that me and Raikaria would be mutually exclusive scum/town though.
I'll say in the end, It was amusing to get injected with some wifom, because it's been such a long time since it's actually happened to me.
Of course, it was still pretty obvious in the end.
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Also reading the boardroom makes me D
Hey we voted you that counts for something right?
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wait, so scum had a nightkill that only furthered town's goals?
what
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If the goal is to get to the graveyard, and nightkill automatically sends them there, then nightkills only help town.
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If the goal is to get to the graveyard, and nightkill automatically sends them there, then nightkills only help town.
But the goal isn't to get to the graveyard.
More town alive at the end = more chance of winning. If we lynched both scums town autowon. If we lynched 1 we'd have a 66% chance. Scum would never have meaningful Boardroom control; so town could ignore any Boardroom'ed scums.
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Town doesn't benefit from reaching the graveyard themselves more than they would from sending scum there, since town is guaranteed a GY majority at game end no matter what (unless they lynch every single scum and win by default, which is even better) and confirmed alignments makes scum presence effectively worthless past telling the living scum what's going on.
Scum NK is useful for sending obvtowns to the graveyard so they cannot be chosen at the end of the game, as having an obvtown around is like an autoloss. That, and/or to send people with completely incorrect reads to the GY so they pick the wrong person.
Town going to the GY isn't explicitly -bad-; having town with good reads in there is a plus, and lynching a scummy-looking townie is not really a detriment. But the nk would presumably not be aimed at someone who fulfills both of those conditions. (If everyone is both of those, I don't know if town is playing well or bad...)
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I'd just like to point out that town managed to win this game by lynching town three times in a row.
One of the suggestions I have for improving the setup would be to just not have a graveyard at all. Trustees aren't allowed to communicate until the final decision - when that time comes, the remaining players leave the main thread and the Trustees all come back into the thread to discuss who they would choose and why. It fixes the problem of hiding the end of the game from spectators, and the limited discussion for trustees prevents sidelines shouting that snowballs into tunnel vision. Plus, taking place in the actual game thread with reduce detachment from the game, which I feel like Rawr CF7 and I all felt heavily when we were in the QT.
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I'd just like to point out that town managed to win this game by lynching town three times in a row.
Well; this IS MotK Town; we specialize in lynching town.
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Town only lynched Town twice in a row, but yes, all deaths were Town.
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I'm totally counting the Boardroom meeting as a lynch.