Obligatory "this is what I was making overnight" post but I have a lot more to address than that. Also yes, I ended up kidnapping Conq because every other decision would have risked a death.
Anyway the reason I think BT is scum is because in this post he claims to be venting about being a protective role often. His first post in this thread is actually something about the OP, and then a "furious confirmation", but no venting at all about being a protective role often.
Therefore, I submit that BT must have vented about it but somewhere else, in a private area, and he just slipped and did not fact-check his actual first post. (He does not, in fact, rant about it in the beginning of the game at all, so.)
Just because I said "vent" doesn't meant I ranted about it somewhere, it means I expressed displeasure somwhere and I was exactly referencing that one post. But that as an aside, you're missing the obvious. In your assumption I would be
Scum Jailor, which would prompt a different reaction than
Town Jailor, which is a town protective role and doesn't provide the completely different experience that you get with being
scum. It should have been obvious that I meant
town protective roles such as
Town Jailor and
Town Doctor.
So, further reading. Logic in this post, under point 2), relies on BT being a one-man scum-team. He is not. Like I said, it is also a convenient excuse for scum to make. "That would've been a bad target for me," quoth they. Ironically, this post should actually have pointed out how I could not be scum: It'd propose scum would have left a Town Jailer alive despite Kilga mimicking him N1 and, thus, revealing his role to any theoretical scumteams I had. Like seriously guys.
I ruled out BT x Conq one step beforehand just to make that point which tells you that I thought it wouldn't be worth it even with Kilga or Dormio as buddies. It's not a "convenient excuse", it's a significant indisputable fact. Finally, I did actually take that last point into consideration, it's just that I hadn't said it explicitly. You could tell that I was reconsidering at the end of that post because I asked Serela to reevaluate Dormio. (also this wasn't a definite point because scum had at least two strongman shots and ehhhh)
Further points of interest are this post where he decides Conq is Scum because Serela has a Townread on Dormio. Dormio did not prove his role (faulty logic). The rest isn't arguing on how I am scum but how Conq is scum.
Basically if you condense the paragraph and take out the fluff, it reads as:
"Bard is Scum.
Dormio is Town because Serela Townreads him.
Therefore, Conqueror is Scum."
Basically, BT set it up so that there is no scenario in which Dormio should be lynched, and we have already demonstrated that Dormio was lying about his role.
In the secret space I elaborated that I made a snap judgement that you were scum because: your role name didn't match your role, I expected scum to have a roleclop-like role and I thought Dormio's claim was more likely to be town overall, especially given how the town has little in the way of power action-wise. I thought both your play and Dormio's weren't indicative enough of alignment and found the former mentioned facts to be noteworthy. I also thought Bard/Conq made sense and such. The post focused on Conq and started with the assumption that he's scum because
that's the exact assumption you ought to be making if you think only one of your other two suspects can be scum. Finally, Dormio did prove at least a portion of his role and it was a mistake of mine to think the truth wasn't a bit different. You probably would have seen me continuing to read shit as the day went on (as in, these weren't final opinions) because I didn't expect you to give scum the luxury of cutting the day short. BTW, it would make more sense for Dormio to hammer immediately if his buddy was in a good position (aka not mine).
Serela answered this whole QT infiltrating thing with "Shadoweh dropped the QT link in the masonry" so let's move on.
Conq is scum because he's not town. That's the short version, because honestly, nothing in this game made me go "hey, this is town!conq" and the only recent game this
didn't happen in was You Can't Guess the Setup? Altough even in that game I could see a lot more analyzing and a lot less low level case making. His cases on Zak, SB, and Bard were all largely for bad play and I saw no significant working of the cogs beyond that; comparable to my Schezo and NNR opinions where I did actually analyze my target and try reasoning out their actions. His handling of Paper, by the way, suggests bussing: his pokes up to and including
this post have largely been prods, but in
the very next instance he changes to a direct and confident attack. The only difference is that the Paper wagon rose from 0 votes to 2 by that time. You can also see Conq coaching Dormio on ED1 if that's your thing.
Next up is a point Serela will have to back me up on because not everyone has secret space access. My argument is that Conq dropped me and linked me on N1 to "start over" - it's his suspicion on me that led to all of huhwhat, BBM and myself suspecting him so he likely saw it as toxic and wanted to move on. His argument is that he wanted to get a better read on me among other things, and he mentioned more than once that he was confident he would catch me if I was scum. What happened? I'll admit that I gave in to apathy plenty and misread him in there, but I did actually raise my paranoia and suspicions when they happened. The closest I could find from him doing the same is "bt are you scum", "bt pinky promise you're not scum" and "bt what came of your dormio reread" and there's no evidence of him trying to deduce my alignment through my posts there. If he thought I was town he also failed in bouncing off ideas unless they were relevant to him - he certainly argued against me when I brought up reasons for CF7 town and Dormio scum in there, but he never ended up helping me when I asked him about Schezo or NNR and happily let me sit on the former until he flipped.
We can't do without setup talk, of course. If Conq is town, town has both a masonry and a permanent linker with unlimited capacity, not to mention an absorber who could make another link. If I am scum, scum have two interfering utilities (hijacker, jailer) and two protective utilities (bulletproof vest via ascetic, jailer). That's TWO protective utilities to handle one
theoretical compulsive vig (and one bomb, but jailer would rb the killer). The kicker is that the hijack stops kills too (I had to check the flip myself) which means they could have hijacked Yuno's compulsive kills (wtf). Along with unlimited strongman vanillizer backup it's way too strong - so town were given the jailer and scum the "vanilla" linker role.
##Vote Conq
