Okay so I didn't want to actively reply for Zakeri or defend him because my townread on him is pretty WIFOM-y and not solid, and I wanted to see where he'd go about the pseudovotes on his shot, but now that he's replied I'll post what I was thinking about before because Shadoweh and CF7's last posts there irk me pretty hard. Imma quote a small thing because I mention Hw and WIFOM several times.
CF7 isn't scum because he has the hopeless newbie getting picked on by scum in order to waste a lynch thing now that HW has flipped mafia.
Dan/Vhalz also has something similar with the attempt at trying to push Dan for scum for what is basically a misrep of his words.
Hw is totally somebody who would purposely try to set up his interactions with scumpartners to be unexpected and WIFOM-y, though. I'm pretty hesitant to clear players based on Hw interactions because of this.
Okay so back to Shadoweh/CF7. Both of them are singling this Zak post out with "he's a scumlord shoot it" conviction which is
. CF7's only previous suspicion on Zak was due to him ganging up on him with, and Shadoweh I elaborate on in a minute. It's just specially worrisome when both were around last night after Zak made his post, they focused on other things then, and only now called it to attention as a -scum motivated as hell- post after I pointed it out myself. I wasn't even intending to point it out a particularly scummy post, I just wanted to know what the explanation was for the sudden read I barely remember him commenting on before other than the offchance "PoE: CF7 and/or Shadoweh might be scum".
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Shadoweh seems particularly odd. I just started my rereads by doing a Shadoweh ISO and she seems to just be throwing an OMGUS tantrum ever since Zak called her scum in mid D2, I don't remember Shadoweh ever being this aggressively tunnel-y before and it reads like survival play rather than conviction... except she was begging to be shot several times throughout the game. Her latest post doesn't make much sense becayse why the hell would Zak!scum use the thread as a QT to tell Hw who to shoot? He could be trying to misdirect the next townvig's shot, sure, but the same could be applied to all living players calling for shots with little to no reasoning provided (read Zak, CF7, Shadoweh). I have several gunhanding theories and possible scum intent behind the recent shot directings, but posting them while Hw is still alive to pass the potato would be stupid.
I really don't know what to think of Shadoweh because on one hand I don't think Hw's reactions were staged, but on the other Shadoweh's posts read really odd and my gut says she could be scum who really didn't like getting along with Hw in the QT. It's like her way with words and her actions aren't matching up logically in my head if that makes any sense. If you're town it'd be helpful it if you calmed down a bit because the :upset: in many of your posts is making you very hard to read.
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I'm rereading CF7 now and I'm feeling the whole townread paranoia thing could've been staged. I mean that Zak jump was really opportunistic and even I remembered without rereading that he had dropped his ED1 OMGUS right away. Not only that, but he dropped him and Hw early in the game and even
called both Zak and Hw town. He then
pursued other targets (Dan, NNR) while ignoring Zak with no further mention of him, until just now where the wording in his post is along the lines of "See? I told you Zak was scum all along", which makes it seem like he already had a case on Zak that he is hereby confirming so that the sheeping into the wagon doesn't seem random/uninformed. He did this same thing where he forgot his reads last game, and he jumped on wagons using buzzwords with image of the case being a priority over its logical content.
I believe the play that cemented the earlier townread I had on him is more likely to have been staged with Hw's aid than Shadoweh's exchange with Hw D2 even if she sounds odd. I mean if you're scum, pushing your scumpartner in ED1 with an ED1 strong case means probably very few people are going to sheep it all the way onto the end of D1, he most likely wouldn't become a viable lynch choice, and it's easy for the partner to just post actively a little to shake it off midD1. Hw's logic to call CF7 town and focus on other players (Shadoweh, Dan) didn't seem to amount to anything other than "his posts look better now" so I'm thinking this could be a not-so-crazy strategy coming from him.
At least much more likely than scum gambitting by calling to get shot so they can shoot their scumbuddy. I think Shadoweh is probably town because what if she were actually shot? I don't know how Shadoweh!scum would've tried to pull off shooting someone other than Hw if she had actually been shot and flipped scum, because it would've obviously called a lot of attention onto Hw if she didn't actually shoot hypothetical Town!Hw after the ragey exchange. If Hw/Shadoweh scumteam were really gambitting that freaking hard when it didn't even look like any of the two were likely to get shot at that point (iirc) I'd just throw my hands up in the air and suck the loss because that would be the most insane scum game ever.
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So from townest to scummiest Shadoweh (town) > Zak (??) > other two. I have no idea how to priorize when it comes to NNR/CF7 because while I think CF7 is likely to be scum NNR is just lurking like a mofo and it's giving me bad vibes. Putting this out now because it's already freaking long but I still have to reread Zak.
