You are a Vanilla Townie.
You win when all the mafia members are dead.
Please immediately reply "confirm" or similar if you're ready, or PM me any questions you may have. The game thread is here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15497.0.html).
You are a Mafia Goon.
Your partner is ___. You may communicate at any time; I have created a quicktopic for you here.
You win when the number of living mafia members equal or exceed the number of living townies, minus the gunbearer.
Please immediately reply "confirm" or similar if you're ready, or PM me any questions you may have. The game thread is here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15497.0.html).
Shadoweh.scum post
I eagerly await your first post so I can FPMH you again.
Make it easy and post the same post.
unless you guys want a crazy conspiracy theory from Raikaria on ED1.Go nuts.
I dunno about HW but I'm still mad at Dan for ruining everything before
O come off it.
That was an amazing success of a reaction test. Only problem is that it worked on the mod
CF7's buddy is shadoweh who is too disappointed she rolled scum to make a post in a timely manner. game cracked openFun. I guess i'm just good at making people seeing me as scum. But you're wrong. No idea about Shadoweh being my buddy, tho. Or being buddy at all.
raikaria: who are you most inclined to shoot from the current posts?
The mafia pick a player to be the first gunbearer.destroyed
The gunbearer's alignment is revealed (can be either town or scum).
The town discuss amongst themselves, and the gunbearer picks someone to target by posting ##shoot Elmo or similar.
The gunbearer dies and the target becomes the new gunbearer.
Repeat until all mafia are dead, or the mafia's numbers equal the non-gunbearing townies.
Basically scum sort of force lynch on some other player.
raikaria: who are you most inclined to shoot from the current posts?
For the record I support NNR's plan of nuking Dan with potatoes except then he would get to have the potato which would make him have too much fun. >:<^ scumsliP????? ^
also zak are you going to explain why nnr is townMostly gut based off of application of AoE.
Also that huh what is scum for spamming up the thread, also if he's town he would make the best shot anyways. Basically there is no con to shooting huh what. Response? :smug:would unironically agree but you could just shoot cf7 and skip the me dying part
There's a difference now since all it takes is Raikaria, there isn't a real lynch to worry about scrambling five people.
You guys are being huge jerks to CF7. CF7, who do you think Raikaria should pass a scalding hot potato?
The problem with this, though, is that Town also try to force the lynch on other player's too.But, here we are all sort of in 1 vote away from lynch situation and just need to convince the player with the hammer whose role is known.
I'll give you points for trying to explain your reasoning, but you didn't really make any connection between the events and why scum would do them (Other than the part I quoted which is really a null-tell).
i still don't like CF7 since i think in this game "you guys are scummy for attacking me" carries the implication of "don't get me shot because i'm town and i will shoot you too and you will lose two townies!!!" which is passive-aggressive and bad, especially when his reasons to back it up don't really flowBut are you willing to take the risk? Losing 2 townies?
would unironically agree but you could just shoot cf7 and skip the me dying partOr we can actually skip both of use dying part.
Lately I don't think level of spam is different, you just post more paniced as scum. What that difference looks like don't ask me as I've never been able to figure it out.It's sort of a tricky question. Because i'm under pressure, and, well, my answer might be biased.
You guys are being huge jerks to CF7. CF7, who do you think Raikaria should pass a scalding hot potato?
Raikaria has been hit by a flying potato. He flipped vanilla town.
Raikaria has 72 hours to hit someone with the potato.
Game day 1 begins now.
More importantly why aren;'t you going I, Raikaria?
The op says you have a potato. :< I can read!
If Raikaria had a potato D1, Raikaria would have RNG'd a name and passed it right away, because D1.Well I'm waiting :colbert:
cf7 still hasn't explained why people the suspecting him have scum intent. looking at last game where he was non-scum and presumably legitimately scumhunting he posted reads and explained it, here he's just half-assing everything. best shot imoI was a Serial Killer actually. :V
shadoweh is probably mafia
But, here we are all sort of in 1 vote away from lynch situation and just need to convince the player with the hammer whose role is known.
But are you willing to take the risk? Losing 2 townies?Or we can actually skip both of use dying part.This is just a scare tactic. One that implied HW is a townie. It can also be used against pretty much any suggestion of who to kill.
It's sort of a tricky question. Because i'm under pressure, and, well, my answer might be biased."But are you willing to take the risk? Losing 2 townies?"
But i still think that we should pass potato to Zak. Or HW. His behavior is kind of off, but i can't quite place it, aside of spamming the thread.
I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make is.I'm trying to make a point that you and HW both ganging up on me. Pretty much ignoring anyone else. But leaving that there's really nothing much is going on right now.
Yes, the main way of controlling the lynch is to convince Raikaria to shoot who we want to shoot, but that still doesn't change that both town and mafia are trying to control the lynch.
All it really changes is that you can't pin "cheerleading" on a person because that's all we really have to use.
This is just a scare tactic. One that implied HW is a townie. It can also be used against pretty much any suggestion of who to kill.
"But are you willing to take the risk? Losing 2 townies?"
Case in point.
I still think HW is town. I almost panicked and thought he might maybe be scum because his approach to tackling and understanding CF7 is different than mine, but then I realized that being different is what makes us human, and that I should abandon my paranoia in favor of logic and reason. ~<3Usually it's a good tactic for 2 scums to have somewhat different opinions, so not to seem too alike, like they're are a team. Just saying. So you might still be 2 scumbuddies.
Usually it's a good tactic for 2 scums to have somewhat different opinions, so not to seem too alike, like they're are a team.But we don't have different opinions. We just have different interrogation techniques. This point should actually be proving one of us are town, if not both.
Sorry if it feels like we're ganging up on you, but you're the only one posting who doesn't happen to be sounding mostly town. People are just attacking the holes in your arguments, and that's how it goes sometimes.Can you point at the holes in my arguments? Because according to you it's like a piece of cheese or something.
I have tried looking at other's posts for something to argue against them about, but nothing strikes me in any of their posts. That's why I keep dropping town reads.
But we don't have different opinions. We just have different interrogation techniques. This point should actually be proving one of us are town, if not both.You said it yourself, that one of you is probably town, or both. Or you know, if one of you is town, other might be not.
You're getting pretty transparent in that you just want me and HW dead without any consideration of our alignment. If you don't want us to continue being suspicious of you, you need to drop your bias against people scumhunting and reread the thread.
Shadoweh saying that people are being jerks to CF7 isn't good, she kind of defends him but at the same time doesn't really give a read on him, or any reasoning. Or suspicions.yea
I don' care too much about CF7, he's just a newbie that you're bossing around.except his play is also scummy, moreso if you contrast it with his play last game. btw it's incredibly easy to take a position of "this guy is just a newbie" without explaining why his actions aren't scummy or townie, especially when you're scum
Moreover, you're not really doing much to convince the gunholder to shoot him, just kind of pointing out how scummy he is. In a game where all you have to do to win as scum is make other people look worse then you, that works really well. Get mud on everyone else without ever having to engage the person shooting....except by explaining why cf7 is scummy i am presenting a case for the potato holder to shoot him on.
Tell me how me asking someone for their opinion is scummy again? Or stating a fact, ie 'you are all being jerks for calling everything a newbie said in his first post scummy'.stating a fact is scummy when it's information over analysis. you commented on how newb cf7 is without committing to a defense of him or explaining what the intent in his actions was. SB explained this already and he's right
i am ok being passed the potato so i can shoot shadoweh without having to debate this shit with her 8)wait actually, when I posted I thought you just told SB to pass me the potato
Besides, last game the dude was a Serial Killer in his first ever appearance. It's not like we know what he looks like as town either.generally SKs try to act as honest as possible earlygame and I imagine CF7 was doing the same
ps you wouldn't be doggedly suggesting that me acting crazy and wanting to kill myself is me being scum unless you wanted to make sure one more townie got taken out before you did.this doesn't make sense bc sb is not currently locked down to shooting between us and if i was scum who wanted to make sure one more townie got shot before i did i would push CF7 over you, since he doesn't even think i'm scum, unless you want to argue he and i are scumbuddies wwwww
Dan's town read on NNR is bad imo, it seems totally arbitrary and the least relevant thing he could point out after missing out on a couple pages. Dan does arbitrary shit as both alignments but if he's scum he's unlikely to have a decent reason to back it up so he should get in here and explain why NNR isn't a maflord.
FTR confirmed town has 4/6 people as scumreads and besides you the other is NNR. So maybe isn't really such a bad read ya-think?please rephrase this because i can't tell what you're trying to get across
Too lazy to gather evidence, but process of elimination and scumhunting in general both lead me to believe Shadoweh and CF7 are the mafia."Shadoweh seems fine." HW thinks he was being dumb about me. You know, I'm easily distracted into potatoing people who aren't huh what, so maybe you should explain a little better then 'everyone else is good' when you're blatantly changing your mind.
basically, I think HW is right about everything. Except for about Dan, because at the very least Dan's clear of NNR seems sincere (if not necessarily town).
then again i always read dan badly ed1. hmmmm
why was shadoweh's d1 post in the previous game town? also do you even know that she was town last game? seems pretty arbitrary to me
post seemed fake to me since due to the arbitrarinessExcusing his post as well. "Bad reading on D1"
but like i realized after posting im p sure i've felt that way about you like every time you post something ED1 as town which probably means you're town here too. my mafia logic owns
i still don't like CF7 since i think in this game "you guys are scummy for attacking me" carries the implication of "don't get me shot because i'm town and i will shoot you too and you will lose two townies!!!" which is passive-aggressive and bad, especially when his reasons to back it up don't really flowWhere he basically picks on me for asking if he's willing to risk 2 townies, and say that there's some townreads, not specifying exactly who they are.
this is like my only opinion other than some townreads. sb has been around on sf though, did he flake???
would unironically agree but you could just shoot cf7 and skip the me dying partAgain all for shooting me, trying to paint himself as town and making an excuse of don't even remembering his meta. Way to go. I have no idea how i play as a townie, so there.
also i spam the thread as town more than scum i think...... dont even remember my own meta
to answer CF7's question, no I'm not worried, because I think you'll flip scum and even if you don't people gotta take RISKS in this game. otherwise town just no lynches all day and nobody gets shit doneAs far as scum posts go it ranks pretty high, practically at the top of my scum BS list. It's a good excuse for a scum to lynch townie and then say, oh sorry, i thought he was scum, but, hey, gotta take risks or nobody gets the shit done.
i am ok being passed the potato so i can shoot shadoweh without having to debate this shit with her 8)Basically painting himself as a good self-sacrificing townie, which he already tried with me, but that kind of failed.
generally SKs try to act as honest as possible earlygame and I imagine CF7 was doing the sameWell i sort of tried to look town in that game. Which by the end of D1 i even succeeded sort of.
actually he should confirm/deny this, or at least explain how he was trying to play last game to give us insight into his thought process
As far as scum posts go it ranks pretty high, practically at the top of my scum BS list. It's a good excuse for a scum to lynch townie and then say, oh sorry, i thought he was scum, but, hey, gotta take risks or nobody gets the shit done.literally anybody who tries to get scum lynched can't to afford to worry about BUT WHAT ABOUT THE NUMBERS IF THEY FLIP TOWN?? though and that's an answer i would have given regardless of alignment so i guess actually playing mafia is scummy to you :(
Cool but why was I town in spite of all this (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15497.msg1016819.html#msg1016819) until Shadoweh made me a viable target.Because i tend to concentrate on one thing at a time and i was concentrated on arguing with Zak. You looked like town, but after your panicked reaction to Shadoweh posts you started heavily leaning to scum. So i went and reread whole thread.
literally anybody who tries to get scum lynched can't to afford to worry about BUT WHAT ABOUT THE NUMBERS IF THEY FLIP TOWN?? though and that's an answer i would have given regardless of alignment so i guess actually playing mafia is scummy to you :(What i'm saying that i would have hesitated and actually thought about it for a bit.
You looked like town, but after your panicked reaction to Shadoweh posts you started heavily leaning to scum.this is a scum way of pushing me btw
Shadoweh, you sound angry.Unrelated reasons.
Why is that?
Also don't like Zak for him being super sure NNR and Prims were town after a few short posts. Zak's criticism of Prims asking who Rai would shoot is also pretty shoddy, it feels like he's reacting as if Prims was telling him to shoot now, rather than just talk through his suspicions.I tend to put a lot of stock into my day one reads. I'm just usually not as transparent about them as I was this game.
speaking of old games with polly in them i just remembered bard's vanilla mafia and now i'm paranoid about zak, Coolif it makes you feel better, I'm also starting to abandon the double-dichotomy thing we started out with.
As far as scum posts go it ranks pretty high, practically at the top of my scum BS list. It's a good excuse for a scum to lynch townie and then say, oh sorry, i thought he was scum, but, hey, gotta take risks or nobody gets the shit done.The post you're responding to is probably one of the bests posts a person could make on MotK, regardless of if they are town or scum. My scum read on you is actually lessening because of this though - rather than being a scum-tactic for your own survival, it's starting to sound more like simple differences in playstyle.
also Dan is mafia, responses to me seemed more concerned about making me think he was town than that NNR was town and were kind of passive-aggressive[/quote[
Can you explain this more because from what I've read of Dan's responses to you this seems blatantly false. He was at the very least trying to get you to admit that NNR was town under certain circumstances using his Alignment, but I don't see him going "I'm town, trust me" in place of that.
hi nnr how are you today would you have anything to chip in maybe even about dan's clear on you at the very minimalest, i mean that would be pretty cool you know just saying is all thank you in advanced.QuoteHW: Maybe. He never calls me scum and went from 'Shadoweh seems fine' to joining you in calling me scummy. I would love for him to tell me how my pristine obvtown suicidal self turned scum because I want to die.Baaaaah.
uhh, I mean I'm sorry, I was just feeling lazy, I promise I won't forget to have dinner ready when you get home from work tomorrow.
CF7 still seems the most suspicious but now enough time has passed to start making me overthink things so uhh
Shadoweh, HW, and Dan are all speaking earnestly, and Shadoweh and HW both have a fair amount of stuff that only furthers town agenda to them. Which leaves NNR ripe for picking on since he seems to be avoiding commenting on anything.
In short, CF7 > NNR > AD > SHA = HW
partially because his claims that he'll pass the potato instantly if he gets it (totes scumslip)i did that pregame lmao
I would start practicing my pass potato to huh what but capth would shoot me instead, no mod hax allowed.
Seriously though huh what scum best effort. I don' care too much about CF7, he's just a newbie that you're bossing around. Moreover, you're not really doing much to convince the gunholder to shoot him, just kind of pointing out how scummy he is. In a game where all you have to do to win as scum is make other people look worse then you, that works really well. Get mud on everyone else without ever having to engage the person shooting. Tell me how me asking someone for their opinion is scummy again? Or stating a fact, ie 'you are all being jerks for calling everything a newbie said in his first post scummy'.
I could not possibly give any less shits if you want to call me scum this game because it means I'LL GET TO KILL YOU DEAD
Oh.If HW wants to test his luck on my 1 for 1 scumguess record this game so far, then sure, I guess I could be arsed to pay more attention to this game and find the other scum.
Well, okay then.
I guess it's too much to hope for shooting NNR then, huh?
I'm lazy and find mocking Prims funny.meanwhile you wear bowler hats with cat ears on them irl LMAO!!!!!
im not reading vhaltz's posts and i highly recommend everybody else does the same.
I think it's in everyone's best interests to shoot Shadoweh if HW doesn't.
Mostly because She's least likely to be town at this point, but also because if she is scum I just want to laugh at both of the mafia and tell them they've got nothing on me and Roukanken.
CF7 isn't scum because he has the hopeless newbie getting picked on by scum in order to waste a lynch thing now that HW has flipped mafia.
Dan/Vhalz also has something similar with the attempt at trying to push Dan for scum for what is basically a misrep of his words.
Hw is totally somebody who would purposely try to set up his interactions with scumpartners to be unexpected and WIFOM-y, though. I'm pretty hesitant to clear players based on Hw interactions because of this.confirmed: vhaltz is mafia trying to avoid being PoE'd
let's face it shadowehShadoweh is probably scum. Not because of this post exactly, but because the content of the post is probably dead on.
if px had shot you
you probably wouldn't have targeted me 8)
I'm pretty sure that HW was expecting CF7 to shoot me since he's been bouncing around talking about only me and HW (and since HW was dead and all).One of the reasons for my decision, btw.
Prims for town MVPwhich means I was still better than an entire alignment, peace losers 8)
One of the reasons for my decision, btw.
NNR: Pride in his reply to Zakeri early on (#33) sounds way too mellow to be genuine. Could've been a) NNR cutting down on swears because he doesn't want to be carded again or b) NNR cutting down on swears because he doesn't want to be in the spotlight this game (scum). Aside from that everything else I remember out of his game so far is meh and I haven't found anything else alignment indicative, perhaps because he doesn't seem to be playing the game much at all. Not a solid scumread but everybody else is townier so I'd shoot him.I do kind of frown at this because it stereotypes me as always getting mad at games, I know I DO get worked up pretty often in Mafia games, probably because I have a tendency to read more into the game when my mood is sour and I have nothing better to do, but I still have been trying to cut back on it, I've been mellowing out a lot lately.
If we don't want to fight against NNR we should say nothing about him. Really. He'll take it personally regardless of how much content you post against him.:/
No, I don't take anything said in Mafia personally, where would you get a crazy idea like that? My attitudes towards people in Mafia games are isolated into each game, I don't actively hate people outside of Mafia for being a duck in Mafia. Unless it's Pesco. Or Gear, because he ruins every Mafia ga- oh wait wrong forum. I don't have a negative opinion on you outside of that, that's dumb. Hell, I barely even know you well. Would be silly to have some kind of prejudice.
Although I do agree that picking a fight with me is likely to get you more heavily scrutinized, since that's how I tend to end up playing a lot of the time. Good call on that at least, I guess.
Heads up:But this post pretty much cleared all my suspicions.
Vhaltz should replace me shortly, cuz Vacation.
so {HW, CF7, Shadoweh}
Between the two of them I'd shoot Shadoweh. Her drive to attack HW was much more arbitrary than what town!Shadoweh. She was way too sure of herself.
I'm incredibly town considering that subtle scum push all game that turned into a full blown attack by HW.
Then came Vhaltzo. Constant juggling of alignment. The Strongest town read on me. Plants some suspicion on everybody else, with NNR being the least town. Then he somehow switches me to being scum and adds Shadoweh to the mix. The other people are townier. And the like.
Dunno if he'll want to shoot me over the other players
i think he'll go for zak personally
gonna shoot
I know it's not exactly because of OMGUS as you guys usually use the term, but because of reading further into me as scum with confirmation bias just because I cased him. It's a flawed kind of scumhunting from its premise because it ignores that townies can also be wrong. So it's pretty similar.
Being scum was more fun than I expected, it just feels kind of unfair to lose to what appears to be a gut shot when I had the conviction that I wouldn't have gotten lynched in a regular game.
I'm also curious how this setup would've done with 11 or 14 players though. Maybe it was just the low number of players and scum bussing each other that made the game easier for town.after the seeing the last few of these games im convinced that this type of setup is inherently townsided
On the other hand, clearly cutting D1 short was the be(s)t plan
Also of note: Everyone left who wanted me dead was town. >:{
The part about you suddenly deciding I'm the worst person on earth when I wanted to kill you was pretty legit.This is true. as town I would have just gone "lol shadoweh you're dumb but w/e you're probably town"
Actually I think my original reasoning for giving you the potato was the best, potato huh what and let jesus sort it out.This is also true.