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Title: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Bardiche on June 03, 2016, 09:30:48 PM
Post Restriction Mafia
Welcome to Post Restriction Mafia, a game where everyone but Scum is post-restricted.

RUURUU
Days last 48 hours because there's only five players. We don't need that much time, yo.

Night 1 lasts 24 hours. Night 2 does not exist because you'll have won (or lost).

Breaking your post restriction will result in modkill.

Editing posts is allowed. Retro-active votes will not be accounted for in mod votecounts.

Obviously, No Outside Contact.

No one can act at night, with the exception of Mafia for a kill.

Town must lynch every day. Scum must kill every night. This means the game will last 2 Days, for a maximum of 5 IRL days. If a lynch occurs before the deadline, extraneous hours can be called upon for a deadline extension. (Ending 15 minutes before deadline yields nothing, ending 15 hours before gives 15 bonus hours for an extension.)

To ensure a fair playing environment, you are expressly forbidden from sharing the specifics of your post restrictions. You are, however, allowed to guess at others' post restrictions. If someone guesses your post restriction exactly right, you are allowed to confirm they are correct. You must firmly deny in every other instance, like you'd deny that gross 300lb 50-year-old otaku when he asks to touch his tralala.

Players are asked to exercise Reasonable Consideration when posting. Any malicious acts, at my sole discretion, will be punished by mod kill. Harassment, verbal abuse and other toxic acts will be reported to forum moderation in addition to elimination.

Example post restriction guaranteed not to be in the game: (but representative of the type)

Quote
Every post must include one pun. Puns may be lame, but must be recognisable.

Quote
You must call every player -senpai. Bonus points if you're noticed.


SIGN-UPS:
1. Dormio
2. DNAbc
3. Serela
4. Patorikku
5. PX



Role PMs are being sent out over the next hour, wait warmly and confirm here when you've received one.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 03, 2016, 09:51:22 PM
Quote from: Dr. Seuss
Sometimes the questions are complicated and the answers are simple.
But this is not one of those times. I'm ready to go.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 03, 2016, 09:53:02 PM
/confirm
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Serela on June 03, 2016, 11:27:49 PM
confirmed :D
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 03, 2016, 11:45:13 PM
Steps to starting a game
-Sign Up
-Make a thread
-Read Role PM
-/confirm
-Start Day 1
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Bardiche on June 04, 2016, 12:16:45 AM
Pro-note: once DNAbc confirms, you may actually commence with the Day without awaiting my say-so or post. Time will start running from the very first real game post, and will last for 48 hours (some additional time if the Day end is at a time I'd be asleep).
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: DNAbc on June 04, 2016, 03:52:16 AM
Hey! I am so l@dy for some mafia! Lets go merrily figure out the criminal!
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Bardiche on June 04, 2016, 10:35:22 AM
Day Phase has now officially begun, and will end in 48 hours from this point onward.

You have all been gathered in a small, square room following the murder of detective Ford. All of you have been frequenters of his office, and all of you had some connection to the man. This, apparently, is enough to label you as suspicious. In an attempt to weed out the criminal, you're expected to send out one person for interrogation by majority vote. Whoever is sent out will most certainly not come back to the small room.

Knowing that one of you is the murderer, it's in your best interest to send out the murderer immediately. After all, small square room, you're going to be spending two days there... anything could happen.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Serela on June 04, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
Day start/end a half hour or so before I generally wake up  :getdown:

Okay, so, I probably don't forget how to do this. Probably.

##Vote DNAbc What do you mean you're "lady" for some mafia?!"
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 04, 2016, 11:44:06 AM
##Vote Serela

The extra quotation mark at the end of Selery's post triggers me.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Serela on June 04, 2016, 02:06:08 PM
I WAS TEMPTED TO MAKE USE OF MY NEWFOUND EDITING POWERS
BUT IT WASN'T WORTH IT ;_;
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 04, 2016, 03:12:46 PM
The extra quotation mark at the end of Selery's post triggers me.
##Vote Dormio

You got a problem with quotation marks?
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 04, 2016, 11:11:21 PM
It seems my good pal Detective Ford has died and I'm on a quest to figure out his murderer. And it seems someone doesn't like good punctuation.
##Vote Patrikku

-I could view edited posts with my mod powers, but I'm refraining in fairness. (I'll view them after the game and laugh)
-Editing posts is silly, why would you want to do that?
-I have work tonight and tomorrow so I won't be around at deadline
-Extra quotation mark also triggers me. What the heck Serela
-And for good measure
##Vote Patorikku
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 04, 2016, 11:40:57 PM
I don't have any problem with quotations marks as a concept, Patrick.
It's when they're used incorrectly, like what Selery has done in his first post, that I get quite annoyed by them.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 04, 2016, 11:43:42 PM
Well in any case, perhaps we should actually get this game started.
I WAS TEMPTED TO MAKE USE OF MY NEWFOUND EDITING POWERS
BUT IT WASN'T WORTH IT ;_;
Day start/end a half hour or so before I generally wake up  :getdown:
If I had to take a guess, Serela, does your PR require you to post one emoticon or smiley face within each post you make?

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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Serela on June 05, 2016, 01:02:36 AM
-Editing posts is silly, why would you want to do that?
-Extra quotation mark also triggers me. What the heck Serela
THIS IS APPARENTLY WHY ONE WOULD EDIT POSTS

...what's that Patorikku? Hmm, let's see...
Quote
To ensure a fair playing environment, you are expressly forbidden from sharing the specifics of your post restrictions. You are, however, allowed to guess at others' post restrictions. If someone guesses your post restriction exactly right, you are allowed to confirm they are correct. You must firmly deny in every other instance, like you'd deny that gross 300lb 50-year-old otaku when he asks to touch his tralala.
YEP! You're right! Congratulations!

With that in mind, you get three guesses why I edited that last post and the second two don't count. >_>
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Serela on June 05, 2016, 01:08:13 AM
(to be fair I probably would have made most of those emoticons anyways, except for one- I'd go back to add one in and be like "Oh wait it's already there.")

I'm just that kind of person :D

...THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE I'M ALSO A FORGETFUL KIND OF PERSON. (At this rate someone would have guessed all-caps if not emoticons.)
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 05, 2016, 01:09:13 AM
How could you forget your PR so quickly?

##Unvote
##Vote Serela
##Vote Serela


-Wood defeats Earth and empowers Fire
-Fire defeats Metal and empowers Earth
-Earth defeats Water and empowers Metal
-Metal defeats Wood and empowers Water
-Water defeats Fire and empowers Wood
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 05, 2016, 01:13:41 AM
So I have a question for Patrick:
Why did you guess at Serely's post restriction so quickly?
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Serela on June 05, 2016, 01:22:34 AM
PX, let's not forget I've been modkilled like twice for messing up my PRs. >_>

I'm just lucky this one is something I -already- do in a ton of my posts.

But that's a pretty understandable reaction so I can't vote you for it. Hmmm. Scumhunting might be sorta tricky in a two-day game where scum has no buddy. Kind of like hunting for a ITP.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 05, 2016, 01:28:43 AM
So I have a question for Patrick:
Why did you guess at Serely's post restriction so quickly?
Ultimately, just to get the game in motion. I wasn't actually expecting to get it EXACTLY right the first time, though, which is bothering me. My thinking was that scum wouldn't know the exact extent of the PRs, so if I kept my guess loose and Serela told me I was wrong despite no other clear pattern in posting, then it'd be safer to assume Serela was town. But uh, I think I'm overestimating the value I can make from PR right now, and perhaps the complexity of them as well. :ohdear:

Of course, the other part of it was to actually get some discussion going and to jump start us out of RVS. At least that much seems to be working.

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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 05, 2016, 01:34:14 AM
Of course, there's also this little tidbit:
I'm just lucky this one is something I -already- do in a ton of my posts.
This is making me suspicious af. I really wanna believe your PR ended up like that by pure happenstance.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Serela on June 05, 2016, 01:43:08 AM
Let's -not- vote me just based on my PR being emoticons :V
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 05, 2016, 01:56:30 AM
##Unvote
##Vote Patorikku

Patrick's post#21 is really scummy in my eyes.
I really don't like how he puts suspicion on Selera over something that is almost impossible to prove, bar getting Selery to break his PR and seeing whether or not he dies.
I also really don't like the non-committal attitude where Patrick says that he really wishes that it was simply chance while still claiming that Serale is suspicious for that reason.
I don't really see any reason for Patriarch to gauge interest in a Celery lynch like that unless he's scum looking for potential D1 lynch targets.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Serela on June 05, 2016, 02:14:38 AM
Dormio is your PR spelling everyone's names wrong?? I didn't bat an eye until I realized you spelled my name differently every time and then I realized you're doing the same thing with Patorikku.

PX, is your PR writing out 5-point bulletlists?

(I CALLS EM AS I SEES EM, may as well get it out of the way when stuff like PX's is pretty hard to not see)

I haven't the slightest idea what Patorikku's is, yet, though. Also, I'm going to bed pretty soon.

Dormio has pretty good points, but- OKAY NO. No. I'm going to do my best not to babble too much with WIFOM this game if it's just about the fact that 4v1 game scumhunting is weird and the scum is going to be like a survivor or ITP SK. I've already said it's going to be awkward and I'm gonna leave it at that rather than complain about it constantly >:T *HEAVY SIGH* Okay. Bedtime.

...but after giving it a last thinkover, really, Dormio's case isn't that bad at all even after accounting for meta garbage. I'd elaborate more but to be entirely blunt I'd just be rephrasing what he just said there. Just KEEP IN MIND THIS IS L-1 ALREADY, we don't normally reach l-1 in two votes on d1 :V:V
##Unvote
##Vote Pa-wait someone didn't rvs jokevote him right lemme check that
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Serela on June 05, 2016, 02:17:09 AM
AHAHAHA YEAH PX ALREADY VOTED HIM IT'S A GOOD THING I BACKSPACED THE VOTE AND CHECKED BEFORE ACTUALLY DOING IT

That would have been one awwwwwkward d2.

So yeah I'm just gonna...
leave that unvoted
yeah.
?_(◕‿◕✿)_/?
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 05, 2016, 02:20:38 AM
Patrick's post#21 is really scummy in my eyes.
I really don't like how he puts suspicion on Selera over something that is almost impossible to prove, bar getting Selery to break his PR and seeing whether or not he dies.
I also really don't like the non-committal attitude where Patrick says that he really wishes that it was simply chance while still claiming that Serale is suspicious for that reason.
I don't really see any reason for Patriarch to gauge interest in a Celery lynch like that unless he's scum looking for potential D1 lynch targets.
You make a fair point. My suspicion is on the fact that the post restriction is already something Serela is well known for doing in the first place, but I can't prove one way or the other if it's an actual PR or a PR that was convenient enough for scum!Serela to use as their fake PR. I wouldn't immediately drop a vote on someone over that.
You seem to be putting a lot of weight on that one point, however. I don't intend on starting up a lynch on anyone without more info. I'd at least like to get some discussion going before dropping down an actual vote.

Speaking of which,

##Unvote

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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Serela on June 05, 2016, 02:23:53 AM
Well.

There is one thing that'd give me pause about voting Patorikku.

Would he really say he may be overestimating "the complexity of them as well" about the PRs if he's scum and therefore definitely doesn't know? Yeah it's wifom I know, but. <.<
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 05, 2016, 02:25:10 AM
Dormio is your PR spelling everyone's names wrong?? I didn't bat an eye until I realized you spelled my name differently every time and then I realized you're doing the same thing with Patorikku.
I would not have caught that either, mainly because most of the misspells are my real name. :x

In any case, I'm hoping we get to hear from DNA soon on his feelings about all this.

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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Serela on June 05, 2016, 02:27:42 AM
The only thing I could possibly see in Patorikku's is a compulsion to claim haven been cut by any post made remotely close to his own. ( ゚,_ゝ゚)
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 05, 2016, 02:37:28 AM
The only thing I could possibly see in Patorikku's is a compulsion to claim haven been cut by any post made remotely close to his own. ( ゚,_ゝ゚)
Nope. Not it. Y'all just keep posting RIGHT BEFORE I GET A CHANCE TO >:C

At least that means the game is sorta in motion
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 05, 2016, 02:46:24 AM
Dormio is your PR spelling everyone's names wrong??
:toot:

AHAHAHA YEAH PX ALREADY VOTED HIM IT'S A GOOD THING I BACKSPACED THE VOTE AND CHECKED BEFORE ACTUALLY DOING IT
Actually XP unvoted and moved his vote to you, not that it really matters.

You make a fair point. My suspicion is on the fact that the post restriction is already something Serela is well known for doing in the first place, but I can't prove one way or the other if it's an actual PR or a PR that was convenient enough for scum!Serela to use as their fake PR. I wouldn't immediately drop a vote on someone over that.
You seem to be putting a lot of weight on that one point, however. I don't intend on starting up a lynch on anyone without more info. I'd at least like to get some discussion going before dropping down an actual vote.
And why are you so afraid of voting? It's not as though anyone is going to be stupid enough to just hammer someone out of the blue. Unless it's Selery.
But even Serely wouldn't be stupid enough to hammer... himself... in LYLO...
The trauma is real.

The only thing I could possibly see in Patorikku's is a compulsion to claim haven been cut by any post made remotely close to his own. ( ゚,_ゝ゚)
Selery you're so silly. Patrick's restriction is obviously the need to include a quote in every post he makes.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Serela on June 05, 2016, 02:47:44 AM
Patorikku, why... do you have to quote someone in every post?  。゚+.ღ(ゝ◡ ⚈᷀᷁ღ)

I'm actually getting in bed now. I look forward to waking up to everyone's PRs grovelling at my guessing prowess or otherwise vehemently denying me like the 500 pound 30 year dweeaboo (https://i.redd.it/zldsan2mcq0x.jpg) that I'm not.

DNA ONLY ESCAPES DUE TO NOT HAVING ANY POSTS YET щ(゚Д゚щ)

cut by I sure am bad at votes apparently LOOK I THOUGHT IT WASN'T GOING TO END THAT DAY NOO YOU STOLE MY GUESS ABOU TTHE QUOTES YOU EVIL MAN (つд⊂)
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 05, 2016, 02:51:46 AM
Selery you're so silly. Patrick's restriction is obviously the need to include a quote in every post he makes.
Spot on with that one. I thought, with all the quotes from in thread, someone might guess that I had to specifically quote someone from in the thread and I'd shoot that down but WHOOPTY DO IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE WHO WOULD EVEN SAY THAT

dumb plan was dumb, back to the discourse

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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 05, 2016, 02:52:58 AM
Patorikku, why... do you have to quote someone in every post?  。゚+.ღ(ゝ◡ ⚈᷀᷁ღ)
serela pls
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 05, 2016, 03:04:22 AM
And why are you so afraid of voting? It's not as though anyone is going to be stupid enough to just hammer someone out of the blue. Unless it's Selery.
Probably because we only have 2 lynches, and I want to make good use of them and not throw either away on a wild hunch I can prove nothing on.
Hammer or not, I'd rather be cautious with my votes.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: DNAbc on June 05, 2016, 04:21:15 AM
Haha! I am very much happy right now!

Okay, so excited to get back into some mafia action! Let's all try to get along merrily together while eating popcorn!

-I don't like how Serela seems too reactive! It sounds rather scummy!
-Patrick seems to be rather playing to stay under the radar! Agree with Dormio on that looking scummy!
-That said however, dormio's progressive accusation from attacking patrick's serela case which eventually elevated to doubting patrick's intention altogether seems to be setting Patrick up for a D1 lynch rather than making an organic case! Very suspicious!

So all things considered! I am very happy to place my vote on dormio now!

Vote: Dormio

Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 05, 2016, 06:09:29 AM
List of people DNA is suspicious of
-Serela
-Patrick
-Dormio
-Now DNA not liking everybody is pretty nice, don't you agree gents? Not to mention that being the last one to enter is a pretty good scum move for this game
-Celery: No it is not, I just like being consistent

Now I don't agree with all this PR calling so early, since all it does is give more information to the scum as to how they should shape their fake PR. Anyhow, since all the cats are out of the bag would anyone object to DNA making a few blank posts to expose his own PR to us all?

I'm pretty sure it involves being happy in your posts, is anyone else getting a sense of deja vu from this?
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 05, 2016, 06:13:06 AM
I also fail to see how Serela seems to be reactive when he's proactively trying to expose all the PRs
I also forgot my vote
##Unvote
##Vote DNAbc
##Vote DNAbc


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-Shoulders
-Knees
-And
-Toes

Repeat after me!
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 05, 2016, 06:27:18 AM
Now I don't agree with all this PR calling so early, since all it does is give more information to the scum as to how they should shape their fake PR. Anyhow, since all the cats are out of the bag would anyone object to DNA making a few blank posts to expose his own PR to us all?

I'm pretty sure it involves being happy in your posts, is anyone else getting a sense of deja vu from this?
He also uses exclamation points as his sole punctuation. That may or may not have something to do with it, if I had to guess, but it almost seems as if there are two plausible cases for what his PR can be. I do want to hear more from DNA in order to pinpoint those details, but his cases feel solid to me.

And yeah, in hindsight, maybe trying to guess PRs so early wasn't such a good idea after all... :ohdear: 

In any case I can agree that entering the game this late is a decent scum strategy to make use of PR information to this point. I don't disagree with DNA's logic when it comes to his scum tells, though, so I'm curious why you hold suspicion over those.

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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 05, 2016, 06:31:59 AM
I also fail to see how Serela seems to be reactive when he's proactively trying to expose all the PRs
That's a fair point, but now that you mention it, I want to ask Serela why trying to guess all the PRs so early would be beneficial for town. My case was to try and weed out some decent town reads by half-right answers getting denials and such, but we all can clearly see why that didn't work...
Quote
Repeat after me!
I-is that a call out?
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: DNAbc on June 05, 2016, 07:30:29 AM
Yes! I am blessed with the wonderful gift of having to be needlessly joyous all the time!

As for attacking my participation time, i find it rather uncalled for as i simply live at a different timezone! That and diminished commitment in mafia also! Which is unfortunate! Lets be nice to eachothers irl obligations shall we?

As for my scumtell! Even though i pointed suspicion at three players, i made dormio my clear pick and elaborated amply on him!  px's logic seems flawed as he seemd to assume i can only suspect one player at the time, which is incorrect!



Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 05, 2016, 08:14:49 AM
-Why not? If I were scum I would intentionally hold off on committing to a PR until most of the others have posted. We cannot prove your real life commitments (not to mention you used 18 out of 48 hours before posting), so it should naturally be something to look out for.
-Can you explain how Serela is being reactionary in response to my response to your response?
-I fail to see your point on Dormio, when the only line after his vote was asking him why he was afraid of voting
-Suspicion on mutiple people is fine, when you just throw out lines about everybody at the same time, that it is not
-Patorikku is indeed lurking in the shadows however, I will agree with that. Are you going to do something anytime soon?
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Bardiche on June 05, 2016, 08:56:34 AM
VOTECOUNT

:^) If I didn't count your vote, it'll be because it doesn't count.

DNAbc: Serela, PX
Serela: Dormio, PX
PX:
Dormio: Patorikku, DNAbc
Patorikku: PX, Dormio

Three votes required to lynch, DNAbc is at 2 votes!

EDIT: Whoops, forgot to mention there's about ~37 hours left in Day 1!
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 05, 2016, 10:43:59 AM
-Rephrasing: Patrick are you going to doing nothing but agreeing with people and waffling ala Serela?
-Was going to say when did Serela vote DNA but looked up and realized it was his first vote :getdown:
-Serela: Why are you trying to out PRs so early?
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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Serela on June 05, 2016, 11:24:24 AM
Everyone Is Scum posts are scummy. Yes townies make them sometimes but even if I haven't played mafia in ever, I still remember that, when I don't seriously think everyone -is- understandably scummy, everyone is scum posts more often come from scum themselves.

Exposing PRs doesn't really mean anything one way or the other because, if you haven't noticed, they were pretty much all fairly damn easy to guess. You think scum can't identify half of these without someone pointing them out, especially considering they're the only one who actively somewhat needed to? ( ಠ◡ಠ ) Just one or two out of four is enough to get a solid idea of what they need to go for with their own. And scum has to "commit" to their PR from their very first post.

But I made the first post myself, and Dormio is PR mastermind, and after that those simple posts it wouldn't be unrealistic for scum to guess "Okay, if they can post like that, it can't be that hard of a restriction" so I don't think we can use that information for much use. Sure, theoretically you can blame DNA for lurking 18 hours because he wanted people to guess all the PRs first. Except, uh. ...doesn't DNA normally lurk a ton anyway?

Hmm. I guess if you go off time stuff and sleeping schedules it gets to where "He didn't want to be in one of the first 5~8 posts when it was too hard to tell" and then was just plain not here as activity drastically went up for awhile. So it could sorta make sense. But I think with DNA's meta and the above points it's pretty null in any case.

I'm mostly just rambling now because I don't know what else we're really gonna scumhunt with I guess. tl;dr I -do- think he's worth lynching compared to the other choices based off errybuddy scum. ED1 tier case strong??? ᕦ(⊙︿⊙ˇ)ᕤ

Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Bardiche on June 05, 2016, 12:17:00 PM
EDIT: Whoops, forgot to mention there's about ~37 hours left in Day 1!

Everyone who corretly paid attention knows I was wrong. 26 hours have passed. 22 remain.

With respect to RVS I'm willing to extend the deadline for Day 1 if so requested.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: DNAbc on June 05, 2016, 03:11:17 PM
I am glad serela does try to dissect my activity! It is indeed true i am not the type to fake disinterest regardless of investment, as evident from my previous scum games, i would rather stronghand for someones lynch forcibly!

Besides, my real life commitment can actually be proved! My locating my ip you would easily identify that i am in the glorious land of gmt+8, which means i do indeed have very different sleep schedules compared to you murrica folks!

As for my serela being reactionary argument, i thought it was actually rather obvious! Given how the nature of PRs is really broad and inherently discourages speculation, scum has a million possible ways to fake prs! An example i just come up with is that scum can even post without intentionally commiting until they agree with the first wild guess from town! Therefore while i appreciate the effort, i consider serelas guessing not a positive demonstration of scumhunting intent!

Though i must add serela defending me does slightly improve my opinion, well see!

Oh, and i would also would regrettably have to remind us once again pxs argument on me pointing fingers is scummy is logically flawed! As i pointed out in my previous response, my arguments are elaborated to different extents, and i did clearly state which one is more suspicious from my perspective! As scumtells not absolute indicators of scums, noting them fairly as i see helps progress discussion on players! Which is not the classic scum behavior of setting up lynches as you are so quick to assume!
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 05, 2016, 03:35:35 PM
-Serela: Why are you trying to out PRs so early?
I swear I was already asking this question. I hope you're not just skipping over my text and claiming I'm doing nothing. >:\  Fine, lemme sort out where I stand on this...

- Serela doesn't really have any hugely scummy details, as far as I can tell. DNA made the point of Serela being too reactionary, but there are active attempts to scum hunt given the limited tools present, perhaps more than anyone else. I don't know how I feel about presenting meta reads that present DNA as null; that doesn't do a lot for anyone, but it still shows that Serela's putting an effort toward figuring this out. I'm leaning town on Serela.
- Dormio's big move so far was voting me based off of one admittedly poorly worded remark about Serela's PR. I want to see what Dormio has to say in response to DNA's suspicions before I place my vote on him, but as DNA said, his case doesn't feel organic, and despite arguing the interest I put in Serela seemed like lining up a D1 lynch, the same can be said on his push on me. Dormio's my big scumread right now.
- PX's PR vexes me. It feels as if all that's needed is five bullet points with some amount of words in each post, whether or not it's a consistent and tidy list or disorganized thoughts? I find it interesting you're the first person to note any discontent with exposing PRs early, because Serela made a good point that they're fairly easy to guess, and scum wouldn't need to sit on their hands for long to figure out how to make use of their own fake one. Not only that, but everyone but Dormio had softed their PRs (if we can even call it softing) in their confirms, so at this point I'd consider that null and I'd consider you null in alignment.
- That only leaves DNA, who did make a wonky point on Serela's activity, and has been making a sort of "everyone is scummy" read. Can't say I feel good about that, but other than the Serela case, his scumreads are valid points on both Dormio and myself. I feel more of a town vibe on DNA at the moment, but apparently no one else feels the same. *shrug*

So yeah, I want to hear from Dormio.

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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 05, 2016, 08:33:25 PM
DNAc/Dc is being weird, as per usual.
His points are inconsistent, I don't like it.
For example, in #36, DANbc says that he agrees with my case on Hatrick  and therefore finds Patrick scummy but then goes on to state in the same post that he finds me scummy because of my case on Paddock.
Like, how does that even make sense?
Also, the point against me is stupid as well. It's nice and all to make some broad claim about how my case "isn't organic" but you've kind of got to back it up.
Like I could say that I don't like Selery right now because his posts seem like they have an ulterior motive but leaving it at that would be nothing but a lazy way to put fake suspicion on Cerulean on my part.
Alas, there is only one scum in this game.

The fact that PaDrich is agreeing with this drivel, particularly in regards to the whole "organic" thing, doesn't raise my opinion of him at all.
I feel like Patrick is grasping at straws while looking for methods to defend himself if he's agreeing with Deoxyribonucleic Acid's points as a counterargument against me.
I want to note how Patreich is also trying to win over DrinkNinjaXYZ with a lot of comments about how he agrees with him and including things like "his scumreads are both valid points on Dorito and myself".
Why do you feel the need to buddy so hard?
I also think that "one admittedly poorly worded remark" is a bit of an understatement, I think that remark came from a scum mindset.
Anyway, to sum, recent activity doesn't make me feel like changing my vote right now.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 05, 2016, 09:46:42 PM
DNAc/Dc is being weird, as per usual.
His points are inconsistent, I don't like it.
For example, in #36, DANbc says that he agrees with my case on Hatrick  and therefore finds Patrick scummy but then goes on to state in the same post that he finds me scummy because of my case on Paddock.
Like, how does that even make sense?
It would help to mention that his agreement was toward my behaviour seeming like I was trying to keep out of trouble, not the entire case. Your haste to declare I was setting up D1 lynches is what he saw as scummy.

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Also, the point against me is stupid as well. It's nice and all to make some broad claim about how my case "isn't organic" but you've kind of got to back it up.
Like I could say that I don't like Selery right now because his posts seem like they have an ulterior motive but leaving it at that would be nothing but a lazy way to put fake suspicion on Cerulean on my part.
dormio's progressive accusation from attacking patrick's serela case which eventually elevated to doubting patrick's intention altogether seems to be setting Patrick up for a D1 lynch rather than making an organic case!
Was this not enough information to back it up?

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I want to note how Patreich is also trying to win over DrinkNinjaXYZ with a lot of comments about how he agrees with him and including things like "his scumreads are both valid points on Dorito and myself".
Why do you feel the need to buddy so hard?
Can't help it if I agree with something I find logical. I admit, my play has been excessively passive and reactive, however until now I haven't spotted any clear inconsistencies in anyone's posts.

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I also think that "one admittedly poorly worded remark" is a bit of an understatement, I think that remark came from a scum mindset.
Agree to disagree, I guess.

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Anyway, to sum, recent activity doesn't make me feel like changing my vote right now.
Well, that makes one of us.

##Vote Dormio

Despite what you've said, I don't see any major inconsistencies with DNA's cases. If anything, your case on him seems to indicate you're misconstruing his actual points intentionally to discredit my input and make me look scummier for agreeing with him, as well as to present favor to town's current bandwagon. An error like that reads out fairly scummy to me.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: DNAbc on June 06, 2016, 02:17:59 AM
Hey! Thanks for getting the discussion going!

I very much appreciate Patrorikku's defense of me! While this demonstration of effort would normally would be a town behavior, to defend my position as the likely D1 lynch is beneficial to scum, as they know for sure dormio is not scum and his flip will I draw the focus of discussion even into D2! Coupled with a shortage of time today until a hammer, I can see from a strategic standpoint how this can be a scum play to hit two birds with one stone! But direction aside, I can't dispute Patrorikku's content passes for me! That probably has to do with how he ships my case and therefore I am biased, some more people telling me if my case is okay is appreciate! At this point however I think I am null over Patrorikku!

Now onto dormio! I realize that if you refuse to accept that from my perspective its helpful to note scumtells as they happen, then my post is going to look weird however you see it! However! I want to make clear a full picture of scum/town ness is only meaningful when there's sufficient content, which we definitely do not have at this stage! Hence my post is justified at my viewpoint!
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 06, 2016, 03:35:22 AM
So due to lack of content you're saying it's okay to just say something looks scummy and not elaborate when asked? Alright, my vote stays

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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 06, 2016, 03:40:21 AM
So let me get this straight. Your case on Dormio is that he's trying to force a case, which he's doing because there's little content, while you're just content on sitting here and not making cases until people say stuff which doesn't happen until people start making cases and having people say stuff?
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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 06, 2016, 03:47:49 AM
On top of that not only did your post elaborate why Patrick's defense of you is a scummy move, you're still not responding to elaborating how Dormio's points are scummy. Use your magical quoting powers to point out how his posts work towards your logic points towards scum
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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Serela on June 06, 2016, 03:52:37 AM
I just got home from work. It's just about bedtime though. z.z

Awkwardland where I'm not sure if I'm trying to hammer (or at least lay a vote down to facilitate the possibility) or just figuring "well, we'll probably get the extension, right?" since I'm totally not going to be awake for current deadline.

Skimming over recent posts shows that I still would most rather lynch DNA. Trying to go into deeper thought leads me into wifom tunnel because A.40~ hours into d1 and B.Unusual scum play meta for this setup. (Even so, I do have people I think are not likely to be the scum. No, it's none of your business right now.)

Mmn. I'm pretty content with a DNA lynch in any case. Let's see, where's a votecount. Wait, I'm already voting DNA? Oops I guess I did never get around to bolding that unvote. Well. That works then??
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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Serela on June 06, 2016, 03:54:11 AM
but yeah I'm going to bed. (Fun fact, I forgot to add an emoticon into the last post, almost panicked, then saw I had made one in the first line without thinking about it. This is truly the best post restriction for me.  :3 )
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 06, 2016, 04:05:03 AM
##Vote Extension
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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 06, 2016, 04:40:39 AM
##Vote Extension

Hey! Thanks for getting the discussion going!
This passive aggressive quote could not be a better representation on how I feel the day passed by...

In any case, I'm starting to feel my support of DNA wavering. Each post he makes since he posted his scum reads seems to be just reactive to what everyone else is directing at him, and despite that, there's no elaboration on any of his cases as PX and Dormio have been requesting. That seems like an awfully defensive play, especially so because it seems as if you're merely hinting at the former being scummy and never building on your case on the latter.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: DNAbc on June 06, 2016, 09:53:09 AM
So let me get this straight. Your case on Dormio is that he's trying to force a case, which he's doing because there's little content, while you're just content on sitting here and not making cases until people say stuff which doesn't happen until people start making cases and having people say stuff?
Vote: Extension
I am very happy we have so much discussion going on!

I regrettably have to inform you that said representation is inaccurate! While its a valid perspective to assume Dormio is forcing a case because of a lack of content, I find him deliberately tunneling on Patrick's case itself to be compelling as it went from initially what was RVS Vote->Serious Vote->Hey Guys let's lynch Patrick because he's buddying DNAbc. Patrick has done a grand total of three things this game, and that's exactly this three. So here we have dormio parsing everything Patrick has done as scummy just plain doesn't fly with me. Additionally, dormio did complain about the inconsistency of my 'pointing fingers at everyone' case before, so why is he so stalwart and content on stacking his vote on Patrick, who arguably has not done any such 'classic' scum behavior without reviewing his vote? I find that goes way past the line of just 'forcing cases because there's little content', scum behavior, in my opinion.

Also in response to Patrorikku,  I simply don't see a necessity to be proactive in finding alt. options with so little time. We have the DNAbc case, which is basically the only option that has been discussed and the one likely to happen, so I am fine with not finding alt. lynchees even if this means my lynch, as this ensures my flip will be informative in showing player interactions (or deliberate negligence and distancing tactics, such as from Serela) and leaving useful information. We have only 1 free lynch, and given how alt wagons such as dormio  don't really have any debates on it, and I honestly am not entirely confident dormio is scum, I see allowing my own flip to be as informational as possible to be the best compromise.

Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Bardiche on June 06, 2016, 10:06:40 AM
VOTECOUNT

:^) If I didn't count your vote, it'll be because it doesn't count.

DNAbc: Serela, PX
Serela: Dormio, PX
PX:
Dormio: Patorikku, DNAbc, Patorikku
Patorikku: PX, Dormio

Three votes required to lynch, DNAbc and Dormio are at 2 votes!

Day 1 will last for another 24 hours.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: DNAbc on June 06, 2016, 10:22:49 AM
We have only 1 free lynch, and given how alt wagons such as dormio don't really have any debates on it, and I honestly am not entirely confident dormio is scum, I see allowing my own flip to be as informational as possible to be the best compromise.
I feel that elaborating on this part is necessary to avoid more misinterpretation like 'oh DNAbc doesn't really mean his cases!'

If you remember in recent memory (if nearly a year ago counts as recent), we had a game first of which a highly scummy looking townie CF7, who was a prime lynch candidate yet ultimately was not lynched D1 getting dragged into a lategame where town was too occupied with all the speculation flying around the prime scum candidate got away unscathed.



EDIT: I am really happy, like really happy

So given this past experience and witnessing how panic can screw a maf game heads over heels. I mean like, sure, I can push for a dormio lynch and follow my guts and if he's scum yay! But if he's not then, well, I think I would rather be the one to be lynched now to avoid entering LyLo as a easy wagon for scum  to push as scum at that point would have essentially escaped detection and we have to blind guess the culprit using the flip from dormio which is obviously much less informative than my flip.

Also its just easier for me to be eliminated now as I don't want to be in that terrible LyLo position where I doubt I have enough time and effort that I can devote to adequately defend myself if dormio does flip town. So here's my train of thought, do with it what you will.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 06, 2016, 12:46:01 PM
I have no idea what to make of FMAbc's willingness to be lynched other than thinking that it's a last ditch act of self preservation.
Refuge in audacity. That's what it's called, right?

Anyway, I'm cool with hammering Dynamic Network Analysis but would still prefer to see Patrick's head roll.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 06, 2016, 04:52:41 PM
I have no idea what to make of FMAbc's willingness to be lynched other than thinking that it's a last ditch act of self preservation.
Refuge in audacity. That's what it's called, right?
Kind of looks like a plea for release, if you ask me. :V

I regrettably have to inform you that said representation is inaccurate! While its a valid perspective to assume Dormio is forcing a case because of a lack of content, I find him deliberately tunneling on Patrick's case itself to be compelling as it went from initially what was RVS Vote->Serious Vote->Hey Guys let's lynch Patrick because he's buddying DNAbc. Patrick has done a grand total of three things this game, and that's exactly this three. So here we have dormio parsing everything Patrick has done as scummy just plain doesn't fly with me. Additionally, dormio did complain about the inconsistency of my 'pointing fingers at everyone' case before, so why is he so stalwart and content on stacking his vote on Patrick, who arguably has not done any such 'classic' scum behavior without reviewing his vote? I find that goes way past the line of just 'forcing cases because there's little content', scum behavior, in my opinion.
DNA, while I appreciate the defense, how on earth can you put together this entire case and then tell us:
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I simply don't see a necessity to be proactive in finding alt. options with so little time.

That case was easily the most proactive step you've taken this game, and you're trying to tell us you don't see the necessity with so little time left? Where's the consistency? This is just bizarre.

If I had to guess, this is a last ditch effort to put more weight on Dormio's wagon (and also claiming you don't feel confident in him being scum after that case, WHAT?) but what scum!DNA's plan could be past that point, I have no clue. Probably pushing for PX or my lynch D2?

I'm willing to hammer DNA, if there's no objections.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: DNAbc on June 06, 2016, 05:03:14 PM
I would gladly obliged to the hammer, and am confident in youall to solve the puzzle!


Though for arguments sake, in response to patrorikku i am not being inconsistent. I do have my suspicion on dormio, and does have a strong scumvibe on him along with my lonh case. However, other people still have not made their input which will be very relevant if i push for a dormio lynch and he flips town instead of scum, as my push is the only relevant interaction. We will end up in a d2 with me looking very bad as the main scum candidate who pushed for dormios lynch. And thus given i am not confident i could defend myself out of that situation, i would rather flip now to save time and effort while ensuring the most informative flip is offered seeing i am the only player whom everyone have at least interacted with
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: DNAbc on June 06, 2016, 05:11:39 PM
Besides, if i am the day lynch, scum basically needs to think out the kill very carefully as each kill will carry heavier implications. I am obviously speaking with knowledge that i am town.

Say for patrorikku, my flip would imply hes buddying me all along, and the eventual distancing tactic would definitely be prone to closer scrutiny

For serela, his input on my lynch is the modt limited as its only the meta defense argument, then he did a 180 to sheep the major wagon, this would be significant once i flip

For PX, he has been the most active pusher on my wagon, and will definitely be the focus of d2

For dormio, as the alternative wagon he also provided very little defense inspite of my case directed towards him, this ought again to be relevant once i flip
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: DNAbc on June 06, 2016, 05:17:33 PM
So the way i see it, if i were patrorikku and he js scum, this means he needs to defend his initial buddying, so he should reasonably be fearful of PX who has an acute game sense, thus killing PX is a decent move. However, that also means losing out on a scapegoat as PX is indeed the major pusher. And dormio does strongly call for a patrick lynch. So i think in this case killing off dormio if patrorikku respects dormios skills enough to defend his d1 position is also a great move. But either way with patrick scum i dont think i can see serela killed from a strategic viewpoint, as hes generally easier to sway in lylo
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: DNAbc on June 06, 2016, 05:22:01 PM
If serela is scum then this is where things get interesting, since serela had proactive early participation but essentially draw to a halt at late day,its easily associated with the distancing scum tactic and serela needs to prevent that from being caught on. Yet with Serela never being the focus of discussion d1 he should be easily be able to skimp by as there are much more jucier interactions to dig into. I would very much advise caution to engage serela now or else the d2 kill analysis will be hard as serela!scum can at this point kill anyone and be the least inconspicuous for he never xontributed a significant argument to my wagon
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: DNAbc on June 06, 2016, 05:28:28 PM
Lastly, its the dormio/px scum pair. These two have similar MOs if either is scum so ill put them together to discuss. Both are strong players who can just take up the leader position to sway serela to win. In this case its just pure verbal wars whichever falls. Though i am pretty confident if either of them is scum patrorikku is not gonna be killed as hes in a bad position from thr buddy+distance game and serela lack of input also makes it easy for either dormio/px!scum to force a win
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: DNAbc on June 06, 2016, 05:30:15 PM
General happiness fluff
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 06, 2016, 07:56:38 PM
-Honestly one thing that's been bugging me has been DNA with regard to the rules
-First off he didn't confirm his PR, he outright said what it is
-The rest of our PRs directly affect pretty much every single post we do in a very obvious way, while his is just a general posting style
-Not to mention his last few posts don't seem very happy if that is the case
-So right now I'm very much so waiting for a mod kill if he is indeed town and that is PR
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 06, 2016, 08:23:43 PM
Also his last few posts don't impress since it's silly speculation
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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Bardiche on June 06, 2016, 10:12:46 PM
DNAbc has been modkilled!

I count way too many posts breaking the post restriction.

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You are Detective Assistant Morley, a young and rising star in the world of detection. You studied under detective Ford, learning the ins and outs of the job. If you had to describe yourself with a word, it'd be passionate. You throw your everything into all that you do, and have always worked with zeal and determination. Others have described you as a happy-go-lucky idiot, and sometimes even a simple person, all because of your unflappable cheer. You've never let any of that bother you, however, because in all it's a little true. You do tend to think of yourself as a bit of an idiot, and sometimes have confidence issues that can't be masked by practising happy smiles in front of a mirror for two hours.

You don't feel any more confident than anyone else now that detective Ford's been found dead, though. As it was your responsibility to assist him, you also feel you should assist in figuring out who the killer is. Since you've been presented with precisely such a unique opportunity as one of the suspects, you've decided to give it your all and detect who the scum is among you.

Because of who you are, whenever you post, you have to be happy and positive. This means showing unflappable good cheer, or at the very least, some words of encouragement. "Be positive!", "We can do it!", "Justice won't be blinded!", and such suffice as a bare minimum. You win bonus points if you manage to insert unflappable good cheer in your every post (feel free to use pictures, good music and everything).

Good luck, Detective.

NIGHT HAS SET IN.

Scum has 24 hours to PM me who's dying. If I receive no PM in time, I will randomise the kill. (I will publicly note if randomisation occurs.)
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Bardiche on June 07, 2016, 09:46:10 PM
Hello, dear friends! I'm starting the Day a little early. That's because it's convenient for me.

Everyone may resume voting and arguing.

Well, except for Serela, since he's dead.

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You are High School Student Harry, a good-natured if socially inept frequenter of detective Ford's office. You've always had a love for books, much the same as detective Ford. At home, you've never quite found a place to feel comfortable, but in detective Ford's office, you always have. He would always lend you the best of books, and never quite minded what others called your 'oddities' and 'peculiarities'. You've always been that way, though, and can't quite imagine being any different than how you are. It's hard to point out exactly what's different about you compared to others, but you do know for a fact that other people have a wealth of small gestures they use to communicate a great deal.

With detective Ford found dead, and you a frequent visitor, you've been placed under suspicion. There's the opportunity to figure out who actually did it, though, and as someone with a fondness for deduction, you feel you can be helpful.

Because people often mistake what you intend, though, you're resolved to ensure they at least get your feelings right. That's why, whenever you post, you must include an emoticon, smiley, kaomoji or emoji in every post. My personal favourite is http://japaneseemoticons.me/. Look for table flips. Bonus points if you make an effort to use different emojis instead of pasting a tableflip into every post (though that'd be okay as well).

Good luck, Harry. You're a wizard.


There's three alive, so two is all it takes to effect a lynch.

You have... 48 hours. I'll give more hours when we get closer to the deadline if it's necessary, since Day 1 ended on a sour note and early.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 07, 2016, 10:04:29 PM
Welp
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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 07, 2016, 10:23:43 PM
Welp
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My thoughts... exactly????

In any case, Serela being the NK is a real curve ball. The most logical possibility, from where I stand, is for scum!PX to make the Serela NK and let Dormio and I accuse one another to hell and back, just waiting for one of us to vote the other and then hammer. For scum!Dormio, I would've sooner expected a PX NK, for a few of the reasons DNA mentioned before he was mod killed, as he's an experienced player that could easily sway Serela to make the vote.

I'll read over interactions and see what I can find in 6 hours or so; I've got my hands filled at the moment.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 07, 2016, 11:23:44 PM
Phoneposting from work and I'll be back in however many hours.
Tempted to vote Patty but won't due to the off chance that Windows XP is scum and there's no real point in taking that risk right now.
But yeah work sucks and I'll be back to actually read in a couple of hours.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 08, 2016, 06:24:41 AM
Reading through interactions for this game is actually fairly easy, due to how short this game has been and how little activity we've had. Bless.

-First off he didn't confirm his PR, he outright said what it is
Actually, I'd like to make note that you did make a guess toward the positive attitude in his posting style here:
I'm pretty sure it involves being happy in your posts, is anyone else getting a sense of deja vu from this?

And some other interactions PX had I'd like to take note of, particularly with DNA and Serela:

- 17, vote on Serela for nearly forgetting his PR. Can be waived as RVS, though.
- 37, claims DNA finding Serela, myself and Dormio suspicious as scummy, along with his late entry to the game. Also, not only does PX deny Serela's guess at his PR - which is inconsistent in itself - but also shows discontent toward guessing PRs so early in the game since it gives scum room to figure out their own PR, despite how easy they were to guess in the first place. PX's PR is still the only "unconfirmed" PR, despite Serela's guess not being particularly inconsistent with PX's posts.
- 38, defends Serela, noting his proactive behaviour in figuring out PRs. Also votes DNA for reasons in the previous post.
- 42, full tilt offense on DNA. Again, despite the PR's flashy nature being evident to town at this point, claims he would - as scum - wait until enough posts have been made to fine tune his own PR to fit in to town's.
- 44, calls me out on passive play, questions Serela on outing PRs so early. Which I'm fairly certain I was already asking. >:|
- 52 to 54, calling out DNA on not answering questions and not elaborating on his cases. Tsukihime reference.
- 70 and 71 are notes on DNA's inconsistencies with his PR and waicing his last posts as silly speculation.

What's bugging me about PX is his interesting focus on PRs throughout the game, and yet his PR seems to be the least consistent with the others, and apparently isn't as simple as posting in 5 point bullet lists, even if I can come up with no better conclusion based off his posts. The last posts on DNA's PR were valid, of course, given the mod kill.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 08, 2016, 06:52:10 AM
Tempted to vote Patty but won't due to the off chance that Windows XP is scum and there's no real point in taking that risk right now.
dormio pls

So major interactions Dormio had:

- 18, questions why I guessed Serela's PR so early
- 23, vote on me, claims my comment on Serela's PR oddly matching his usual posting style is scummy, and claims I'm lining up a D1 lynch
- 31, questions why I'm so hesitant to vote, as well as confirming his own PR as well as successfully guessing mine (whoopty doo)
- 49, finds DNA's posts weird and inconsistent, as  well as makes note to Serela's posts seeking to have an ulterior motive in a weird hypothetical...? I don't trust that. Attacks me for buddying DNA
- 62, remarks on DNA's unusual desire to be lynched, speculating it to be a last ditch effort to survive, would rather have me lynched but would still hammer.

And... that's it. I still stand by my points from D1 on what I find inconsistent with Dormio's posts, but I feel a bit more convinced that PX is scum at the moment. The PR talk after everyone but DNA has had a guess made toward their PRs seems to be a focus on what is ultimately a null tell in a game where the PRs are fairly simple to understand, guess and imitate. Why was there a need to put such emphasis on it? It reads off as scummy behaviour to me.

On the other hand, Dormio was actually lurking fairly hard, upon closer examination. Beyond the offense made toward me, I only see one major attack on anyone's logic, that being on DNA, who was already being built up as the most likely D1 lynch. I can see this as scum!Dormio lining up his D2 lynch with a hard case on D1, while still buddying with town's biggest wagon to keep favor with town.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 08, 2016, 07:37:08 AM
A) Mafia is hard
B) Why can't mafia be easy
C) I'll try reading sometime tomorrow before work
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 08, 2016, 07:39:51 AM
1) Also I denied the PR guess because it wasn't my exact restriction
2) I wish this game could be as easy as saying Patrick is scum and voting for him twice but that's not how it works
3) I am considering how a Dormio scum works with this game so far
4) idk
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 08, 2016, 07:54:24 AM
Papa X-ray, is your post restriction the need to include a list in all of your posts?
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 08, 2016, 08:00:53 AM
Anyway.

Reading through Pii Ecks' posts, I'm not really inclined to believe that he's scum.
This is probably affected by my bias towards thinking that Hatorikku is scum.
If I try to step away from that, I can see XP scum working with a focus on DANml for D1 while leaving Patrick and myself for D2, but I don't think that that's really the case.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 08, 2016, 08:05:20 AM
On the other hand, Dormio was actually lurking fairly hard, upon closer examination. Beyond the offense made toward me, I only see one major attack on anyone's logic, that being on DNA, who was already being built up as the most likely D1 lynch. I can see this as scum!Dormio lining up his D2 lynch with a hard case on D1, while still buddying with town's biggest wagon to keep favor with town.
Maybe because I didn't see Ecks Pii or Celery being scum? That kind of only leaves Puerto Rico and cbAND.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 08, 2016, 10:29:10 AM
Papa X-ray, is your post restriction the need to include a list in all of your posts?
-You
-Are
-Indeed
-Correct
-Sir
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Bardiche on June 08, 2016, 10:30:04 AM
MOD VOTECOUNT

Completely unnecessary!

Just checking in, nearly ~13 hours have passed.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 08, 2016, 10:40:59 AM
-Serela being killed makes me cry
-Serela basically being a blank slate means his death literally did nothing to affect the current state of the game
-A Patrick kill on the contrary would have reset the game state to essentially neutral
-I'm not sure what my death would have done outside of removing a potential lynch target for lylo
-Dormio death would have put a huge mark on Patrick

Looking at this, it leans a bit towards Patrick scum a bit over Dormio since all the kills were bad options for Patrick. Of course this is all silly speculation but we have actual results to look over now to compare to as opposed to D1
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 08, 2016, 03:51:05 PM
The PR talk after everyone but DNA has had a guess made toward their PRs seems to be a focus on what is ultimately a null tell in a game where the PRs are fairly simple to understand, guess and imitate. Why was there a need to put such emphasis on it?
PX, perhaps you could offer an answer to this query?

As well, I'm not sure why you're always referring to kill analysis as silly speculation, especially since you and I can agree that at least it's information to work with in this scenario where there's so little to run on.

Maybe because I didn't see Ecks Pii or Celery being scum? That kind of only leaves Puerto Rico and cbAND.
I can understand that, but I don't even recall you making any note of PX's activity before D2 started. You did make mention of Serela at #49 almost seeming to have an ulterior motive behind his posts in a... weird hypothetical scenario??? Was that a hypothetical? That was just kind of a weird point to make and it's off putting when one of your only mentions of Serela is some half hearted suspicion.

Which, I want to make note of, is part of the reason you composed your own case on me.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 08, 2016, 07:35:47 PM
Re: Patty Cake
I don't know how you could read #49 as me having suspicion on Selera, I feel like it was pretty obvious that it was a hypothetical example.
Which you pointed out. So how is that me being suspicious of Celery?
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 08, 2016, 08:42:18 PM
Re: Patty Cake
I don't know how you could read #49 as me having suspicion on Selera, I feel like it was pretty obvious that it was a hypothetical example.
Which you pointed out. So how is that me being suspicious of Celery?
Well, if it's an actual hypothetical, then there's no actual suspicion on Serela, is there? I can't help but note it, since it was one of few mentions you made of Serela on D1. Was a hypothetical situation like that really necessary to explain what was wrong with DNA's logic at the time?

As a side note, your PR is easily the most amusing of the bunch when you're not just defaulting to "Patrick" :V
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 08, 2016, 09:15:56 PM
I just really like analogies, young Patawan.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 09, 2016, 02:03:13 AM
-PR is the only information town has to work with at the beginning of the game, and if lucky can catch out scum
-Being ultimately null in the end is hindsight
-The end result of kill analysis is me waffling back and forth between you two
-Speaking of which, I've been waffling back and forth between you two
-》I immediately regret my decision.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 09, 2016, 02:24:56 AM
-Alright I've managed to like 85% convince myself of a person to lynch
-Probably going to wait a bit though
-Patrick what happened to your Dormio case on D1?
-Dormio summary of Patrick case?
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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 09, 2016, 03:40:15 AM
-Patrick what happened to your Dormio case on D1?
After looking it over, my one major point against Dormio is a simple logical fallacy that could just as easily be lack of attention in comparison to misconstruing DNA's analysis, so my case during D1 just kind of looks more like an OMGUS vote in hindsight. That said, I did make note of his low activity during D1, as well as a lack of interactions between him, Serela and yourself. After all the waffling that rereading the game has made me do, I still feel like Dormio is the more likely scum candidate, if only because he's the only one of you two I can find anything scummy about.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 09, 2016, 08:13:15 AM
Re: Post Exchange
First point is how in #21 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19606.msg1262614.html#msg1262614) Flatrick tries to paint Sclera as being scummy for having a post restriction that he would be familiar with.
By itself that would have been fine but I think that the whole "I really wanna believe your PR ended up like that by pure happenstance" comment comes from a scum mindset where Patrick tries to keep his options open without really committing to anything.
Next up is #48 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19606.msg1262741.html#msg1262741) where Patricia just agrees with Dangerous Nuclear Activity's points against me which looks like a really lazy attempt to rally against me.
Also, more recently, I feel like Fitzpatrick's attempt to discredit me with regards to me "suspecting" Scenery in #87 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19606.msg1263484.html#msg1263484) and #89 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19606.msg1263606.html#msg1263606) were last ditch attempts to paint me in a scummy light.
I also feel like Padorikku's suspicion of Pibb Xtra early into D2 (#75 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19606.msg1263256.html#msg1263256) and #77 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,19606.msg1263351.html#msg1263351)) is really non-committal, similar to what he was doing with Scholar the other day where he would post in a way that lets him test the waters before he decides whether or not he wants to actually go along with his own line of thinking.

##Vote Patorikku
##YOLO
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Bardiche on June 09, 2016, 11:44:36 AM
MOD VOTECOUNT

Game is still on!

Patorikku is at L-1.

You've... got hours left in the Day. I'm not sure how many. It's LYLO though so like, I don't mind if you take some extra time.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 09, 2016, 05:58:58 PM
Any last posts
-Pat
-Toe
-Rick
-kuuuuuuun?
-Ooooooohohoho
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Patorikku on June 09, 2016, 07:38:49 PM
Any last posts
-Pat
-Toe
-Rick
-kuuuuuuun?
-Ooooooohohoho
Just the one:

##Vote Dormio

In hopes that you're not scum just rubbing it in at the last moment, and just maybe you actually think Dormio is scum over me. I've made my arguments.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 09, 2016, 07:46:31 PM

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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 09, 2016, 07:47:08 PM
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Ggs
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 09, 2016, 07:53:49 PM
Whatever the outcome, ggwp.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Bardiche on June 09, 2016, 08:25:31 PM
I'm not counting votes that aren't made on a single HORIZONTAL line.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 09, 2016, 08:37:24 PM

##Vote Patorikku
##Vote Patorikku

-a
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Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 10, 2016, 01:56:18 AM
##Vote Patorikku
##Vote Patorikku

-a
-2

Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Bardiche on June 10, 2016, 08:19:57 AM
... That's a wrap!

Scum team wins, Town team loses!

Patorikku was Town.

GG, WP.

Feel free to post your role PMs.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: PX on June 10, 2016, 08:22:31 AM
Dammit I should have trusted that voice in my head
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: DNAbc on June 10, 2016, 09:18:03 AM
ggwp
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: Dormio Ergo Sum on June 10, 2016, 09:28:09 AM
Fun fact: I didn't read my role PM past the sentence that said I was scum.
... Which meant that I missed the last sentence which told me what to avoid when making up my own post restriction.
Dodged a bullet there.

Welcome to Post Restriction Mafia, a Mafia game to remember. You are aligned with the Town and win when scum has been lynched.

... is what the first line is for all Townies. Remember that when queried.

You are Scum and win when the game enters Day 3 (more precisely: when there is one other suspect alongside you remaining, but that's Day 3).

You're Playwright Rogers, a cunning and meticulous writer trying to make it into showbizz. You've submitted many a work to film directors, but haven't had a positive result even once. You showed one of your friends a copy of your latest play, but he claimed the murder you described was too absurd and impossible. To prove him all wrong, you performed that murder, with him as the leading actor. Detective Ford never understood your genius, and now he never will. It's unfortunate that you're on the list of suspects, but due to some strange twist of fate, you have the opportunity to get off scot-free. Of course, you intend to take it. Seize the day, and all that; you'll stop at nothing to achieve that goal.

Most people have a set personality that forces them to do certain things. You, however, pride yourself on your adaptability, and you don't have particular restriction set upon participation. However, you have studied the stage right proper, and so can fake a restriction. You are encouraged to invent a post restriction, keeping in mind the two restrictions posted in the opening thread: those're your key for the kind of restrictions people will be looking for. You also know some of the other four suspects' personalities: one is a determined optimist, another has issues expressing emotion, a third has an appreciation for good quotation, and the last has affection for perfection (and lists).

Good luck, Sir Rogers.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: BT on June 10, 2016, 11:00:32 AM
Yay for MotK mafia.
Title: Re: Post Restriction Mafia
Post by: DNAbc on June 10, 2016, 05:14:40 PM
Determined optimist is a hard shoe to fit for this apathetic lazybones here (*?﹃`*)