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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2011, 07:07:38 AM »
Heros expected to change - Mokou (egg skill is now innate, flat cooldown of 40s)
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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2011, 08:19:41 AM »
0.978's changes are based partly on old feedback, i.e. they've been wanting to change some things around for these heros for a while but never could get around to doing so because they were limited without the current damage/buff systems in place. For example, feedback regarding Mokou's egg skill was that nobody leveled it beyond level 2, and level 2 of that skill was generally gotten asap, making it a prime candidate for an innate skill instead. Cirno was just plain boring to play with all those passives. Mokou in particular is a weird character because she sounds very powerful in theory, but is sorely lacking in any serious game. So they want to use this chance to make her more useful.

I don't think they purposefully make these changes to make the game resemble LoL, but they're not going to rescind any of these just because they make the game resemble LoL either. Mokou's egg skill isn't automatically activated on death mind you, but seeing how she has an overarching Phoenix theme, and that LoL character is called a cryosumsuchphoenix, I wouldn't be surprised if there were similarities. I imagine at some point in time, having similar ideas between such fantasy games is a given - Harry Potter and the Lord of the Rings both have a tonne in common too...

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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2011, 12:57:37 PM »
Mokou's egg wasn't leveled just like Shizuha's sleep skill wasn't. When the CD and duration makes for the bonus being received, people let it be (tactical choice).

And her egg is not automatically activated? Since you mentioned it was an inate skill, I thought it was?

Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2011, 01:12:41 PM »
Yeah the benefits to having a 20 and 5 second cooldown for the skill weren't attractive enough to take say, her dive skill or Fujiyama Volcano over it, except in very specific situations like the game going downhill quickly.

Not all innates are passive skills, e.g. Lily White's innate is an active skill. They -might- yet make it an auto-activate-on-death skill since nothing is confirmed, but I doubt it since Dec said that they didn't want to change existing skills' mechanisms as far as possible for 0.978.

Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2011, 01:26:25 PM »
"automatically activated", she eggs every 40 seconds on her own
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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2011, 05:02:27 PM »
You know who else is good in 5v5s ? Koishi :V
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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2011, 05:39:57 PM »
As dumb as it sounds, I would prefer they didn't change Koishi, simply because there should always be at least one boring hero with only passives.

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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2011, 06:12:22 PM »
Yeah but at least her ulti needs some kind of buff because no IIW for sub form is just....
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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2011, 06:23:49 PM »
But she now gets +150 damage :<

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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2011, 06:28:26 PM »
oh dammit forgot D buff
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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2011, 12:21:05 AM »
There should also be at least one hidden hero that's so well hidden that she's never selectable, not even after 20 iterations of the map, amirite? >.<

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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2011, 12:26:29 AM »
There should also be at least one hidden hero that's so well hidden that she's never selectable, not even after 20 iterations of the map, amirite? >.<

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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2011, 08:07:07 AM »
There should also be at least one hidden hero that's so well hidden that she's never selectable, not even after 20 iterations of the map, amirite? >.<
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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2011, 09:07:55 AM »
Ichirin, right? :V

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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2011, 09:20:16 AM »
0.978 Mokou's new R skill - taken from http://www.touhou.cc/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=65805&extra=page%3D1

Limiting Edict 'Iwakasa's Moon Curse'
Engulfs the target unit in flames, stunning it for 0.1 seconds and dealing magic damage to it. Using this skill removes all debuffs from Mokou and increases the counter for Fujiyama Volcano by 2.

Cast Range: 200
Health Cost: 40/70/100/130
Cooldown: 10/9/8/7

Level 1 - Does [30 + 0.5 x Strength + 75% x Attack Speed] magic damage
Level 2 - Does [45 + 0.5 x Strength + 100% x Attack Speed] magic damage
Level 3 - Does [60 + 0.5 x Strength + 125% x Attack Speed] magic damage
Level 4 - Does [75 + 0.5 x Strength + 150% x Attack Speed] magic damage


0.978 will also see some changes to Yukari. Most notably, a variation of her old Quadruple Border of the Imperishable Night skill will return. - http://www.touhou.cc/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=65804&extra=page%3D1. Her ult will be her train from SWR. Actually, if you want to see how this Yukari will play like, 3 of her moves are taken from THMoon's Yukari (including the train). :V

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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2011, 09:58:37 AM »
0.978 Mokou's new R skill - taken from http://www.touhou.cc/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=65805&extra=page%3D1

Limiting Edict 'Iwakasa's Moon Curse'
Engulfs the target unit in flames, stunning it for 0.1 seconds and dealing magic damage to it. Using this skill removes all debuffs from Mokou and increases the counter for Fujiyama Volcano by 2.

Cast Range: 200
Health Cost: 40/70/100/130
Cooldown: 10/9/8/7

Level 1 - Does [30 + 0.5 x Strength + 75% x Attack Speed] magic damage
Level 2 - Does [45 + 0.5 x Strength + 100% x Attack Speed] magic damage
Level 3 - Does [60 + 0.5 x Strength + 125% x Attack Speed] magic damage
Level 4 - Does [75 + 0.5 x Strength + 150% x Attack Speed] magic damage

150% x Attack Speed? so with 50 Str and 100% Attackspeed (I guess Fujiyama Volcano is calculated into this) she does 250 magic damage with this skill?
Sounds decent, it has 7 seconds CD so you cannot spam it.

0.978 will also see some changes to Yukari. Most notably, a variation of her old Quadruple Border of the Imperishable Night skill will return. - http://www.touhou.cc/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=65804&extra=page%3D1. Her ult will be her train from SWR. Actually, if you want to see how this Yukari will play like, 3 of her moves are taken from THMoon's Yukari (including the train). :V

*lazy to write some more while tidying up the mess that is my desk*

So no troll mass teleport anymore?

I like trains  :o

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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2011, 03:11:08 PM »
0.978 will also see some changes to Yukari. Most notably, a variation of her old Quadruple Border of the Imperishable Night skill will return. - http://www.touhou.cc/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=65804&extra=page%3D1. Her ult will be her train from SWR. Actually, if you want to see how this Yukari will play like, 3 of her moves are taken from THMoon's Yukari (including the train). :V

*lazy to write some more while tidying up the mess that is my desk*
Oh well kinda good changes..
Next one i hope it will be a time maid who can actually freeze time and no i'm not sakuya fag
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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2011, 04:43:32 PM »
But Kaguya can already do that. What if Sakuya and Kaguya both activate chronosphere-like abilities at the same time? Timehax, PC98 characters return and a bad rendition of "Can't Touch This" plays while everyone breaks into some 80s dance? Hmm.

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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2011, 07:26:40 PM »
balance never went to the right path so why not  put moar hillarious shit lol
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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2011, 11:59:25 AM »
btw, what's THDninini???

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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2011, 12:00:23 PM »
DotS 11.11.11.
A really weird version.

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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2011, 04:55:30 AM »
btw, what's THDninini???
DotSLoM Comedy Show, The Game
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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2011, 04:56:21 AM »
But that would imply that it's funny.

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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2011, 07:37:38 AM »
Stop calling this farce by the name of my project. LoM is Lord of Maidens.

Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2011, 09:29:41 AM »
DotSLoM Comedy Show, The Game

it's called LotS

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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2011, 03:11:19 PM »
League of The Shrines. Hurr.

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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2011, 05:22:39 PM »
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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2011, 12:24:56 AM »
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- Satori's Recollection 'Terrible Souvenir' scaling factor increased from 0.36 to 0.5, stun duration increased from 0.1s to 1.0s

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Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2011, 01:21:03 PM »
Ok, 977h changelogs for some girls are in my opinion unacceptable.

Koa's  "fuck you, imma throw bouncing fireball in your face" spell is now major spam. And everybody is going to hate it. Hard. Satori buff was already pointed above and they gave her AGAIN a shorter cooldown for her ult. Why do these devs keep bouncing forward and backwards?

Also, Sakuya and Kisume deserve the boost. Probably the only good thing about the girl changes. Rest is like: Oh, ok.

Re: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread III
« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2011, 01:31:42 PM »
Actually wouldt koa deal less overall damage because with 5 people now, the damage is more spread out. Same thing happened with yukari, with added 5th player she became less effective

Also why the complaint on satori ult and not her d.... She now has momiji level stun

Oh wait nvm
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