Dorian; you are UristMcMiner ? Miner ? [Vanilla Townie]
You are UristMcMiner. None of this would be here without you! The ore, the tunnels, the bedrooms... you carved it al out! And it?s so exhausting... you need to sleep at night.
You win when all threats to town are eliminated! Good Luck!
Darkninjaabc; you are UristMcDoctor ? Dwarf Medic [Town Doctor]
You are in charge of medicine in the Mountainhome. For a Dwarf, you are surprisingly competent. Every night, you may ##Doctor someone, protecting them from any nightkill attempts with your Dwarven medicine and **Science**. Which tends to be bad. But hey; you're actually a competent Dwarf!
You win when all threats to town are eliminated! Good Luck!
I like how we lynched correctly TWICE IN A ROW*this sure is some game balance
My money's on Oarfish lying and Shadoweh didn't visit you after all, because according to Darkie, somebody already roleblocked him and I do NOT want to have to factor in the possibility of a bus driver to this messCheez, what made you think Oarfish was scum over Shadoweh at this point?
Cheez, what made you think Oarfish was scum over Shadoweh at this point?especially after you said this a few pages earlier?
One way or another, we'll need to start pressing people sooner or later if we want to find mafia and Shadoweh sounds like a pretty good starting point (Darkie too but he's not back yet)
...Huh, that's true. I'm normally not fond of voting for people because of inactivity, but that post you quoted makes it seem like he wasn't even reading the game.That last line is what pings me most because it's at odds with the tone in all his other votes; I didn't see hedging like that in any of his other votes even though he may have shown the most conviction. What is "worth trusting" even supposed to mean?
It'd sure be convenient if he's scum too, because that trap thing is the only claim I had hoped was a lie not because of contradictions, but because I couldn't make heads or tails of how it would or wouldn't fit in with rest of the night actions.
In fact, ##Vote: Zakeri before I can convince myself otherwise. At least until he can prove he's awake and worth trusting.
I like how we lynched correctly and still went into mylo the next day.
@Mod is Likly some sort of Pokemon?
Cheez, what made you think Oarfish was scum over Shadoweh at this point?I think it was mainly that Oarfish's claim also raised problems with my night action as well, and I tend to instinctively hope for the simplest solution being true in these sort of cases even though I've experienced time and time again that ridiculous night action shenanigans can and do keep happening.
That last line is what pings me most because it's at odds with the tone in all his other votes; I didn't see hedging like that in any of his other votes even though he may have shown the most conviction. What is "worth trusting" even supposed to mean?He had hardly said anything all game. I don't like lynching people for that because I'm not used to it working, and if he came back to the game and seemed like a town player I would have wanted to remove my vote. Then he came back to the game and seemed like scum. :V
I don't really know who to lynch at this point but if there are two killers left I'd have to assume Conq is one of them and I seriously don't know who the other would be.You've been saying stuff like this the entire game without anything to back it up, so I'm going to ask you: why? Why are you assuming that I'm obviously a killer?
Why are CF7/Serela unlikely maf Conq? I agree Serela has been townie (although I'm starting to think he could be SK) but I have no idea on CF7.Umm that was mostly via how Shadoweh pushed CF7 on D3 over Zakeri and the way she voteparked on him D1. Given the way Shadoweh treated Zak and DNA I feel like the way she treated CF7 tends more towards scum trying to mislynch town.
Oh, also one thing.
@Mod. If the Mafia Ambusher targeted the Town Vigilante and the Vigilante attempted to shoot someone else, would the Vigilante be killed before his shot when through?
Might help with clearing up who killed who N1.
third party having a doublevote wouldn't be weird in the least, and he didn't even claim the rest of the stuff in his role until later.
I guess part of it was with how in early D2 he actually humored Darkie's accusation that he was the SK and took the time to try to prove him wrong when I think that's the sort of thing he wouldn't have felt was worth doing if it didn't give him the opportunity to set up a case against being the SK.Darkie wanted to lynch me on the basis of being the SK, and I was telling him it would have been the wrong play regardless if I was actually SK.
I don't think Serela is mafia on the basis of Serela actually trying to make a darkninja counterwagon to Shadoweh when Shadoweh had already started trolling.
Just fyi, lynching is a team effort and we need 3 of the 4 not-themselves people to agree on a vote to get anyone lynched.(this is relevant because if I vote cf7 and go to work, and then people decide to all vote cheez AFTERWORDS, there could be an accidental or even anti-town-enforced NL)
Local Time:January 23, 2014, 08:02:45 am@Mod Are we getting a replacement + extension for CF7 or what? I'm not enthused about lynching correctly in potential MYLO with a completely absent player. This should have been resolved already because it makes the situation nigh unplayable.
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I prefer Cheez over CF7, but there's one thing bothering me.@Mod Are we getting a replacement + extension for CF7 or what? I'm not enthused about lynching correctly in potential MYLO with a completely absent player. This should have been resolved already because it makes the situation nigh unplayable.
Do you think town seriously needs EVEN MORE ROLEPOWERS in this setup? Then again, we only had a mislynch on d1 and we're still in mylo d4 >_>;Considering we're at LyLo with only 1 mislynch, i'd say yes.
And again, no-lynching probably varies from not-helpful to "Now town literally cannot win". Think about it. If they don't shoot eachother, we might end up in 1v1v1 lylo instead. The SK does NOT EVEN NEED TO SHOOT MAFIA, because they can endgame the maf. No lynching isn't a good idea. It'd only be good if the SK tried not to shoot mafia and accidentally did it anyway :VBut mafia pretty much needs to shoot SK. Also my memory is a little fuzzy, but doesn't mafia has priority on kills over SK?
we're at LyLo with only 1 mislynch, i'd say yes.*MyLo
Not lynching wouldn't be the end of the world since it says Mylo, and we could hope the not-towns try to kill eachother harder than they would rather go for not-likely-lynchable people like me, but I don't really think it would actually be productive. Plus it'd be boring
And again, no-lynching probably varies from not-helpful to "Now town literally cannot win". Think about it. If they don't shoot eachother, we might end up in 1v1v1 lylo instead. The SK does NOT EVEN NEED TO SHOOT MAFIA, because they can endgame the maf. No lynching isn't a good idea. It'd only be good if the SK tried not to shoot mafia and accidentally did it anyway :VSomehow you went from "no-lynch is okay, but boring" to "omg, no-lynch is a Bad Thing?"
Actually i'm leaning on voting either Serela (on a basis of having 2 VT in what apparently is a rolemadness game is kind of unrealistic and Serela is probably a SK) or SB (i'm not sure why, but i'm getting the mafia scum feeling from him and he's probably faking his claim, and Cheez is likely to be town).
Conq reads town'ish enough, at least i'm not getting anything scummy from him.
Also if you remember my claim, second part of it was, that i live for one more day after being night killed and can still vote.
Thought about it. Up for lynching Cheez or CF7.
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Cheez stuff.
That leaves CF7 then.
Conq brings up a good point about Cheez's crumbing. That'd be prostrats for the mafia if they did do it. Everyone should be taking notes.
But I don't know who else I'd want to lynch more >_>;
Maybe Cheez isn't a bad idea after all...?
I'm not confident about anyone flipping not-town and I think mister BP sounds like a good enough candidate to be the SK himself, and SB could easily be fitting those kills in and faking night actions, or maybe even have the special third-party-boon of doing both.
Actually, SB probably -is- the SK. Although that cop result would have outted him... well, Cheez might be godfather after all. But... oh god Serela stop waffling just vote
Anyway, the one to get nightkilled in this situation, assuming things go another night, would probably be me out of anyone- Conq's claimed BP and I'm the least likely lynch. So if we have the mafia member wrong we've already lost regardless, as my death wouldn't narrow things down at all.
Anyway, I have to leave for work really soon >_>; I wanted to read the next update of Rou's Cafe Zero LP, but I might not have time...
##Vote Cheez
Tempted to vote SB just in case he's lying maf instead of SK (that makes it even EASIER to fake a cop result) but
mmph
suddenly I want to switch my vote to SB instead
Okay, there'll be time after work. Don't need to make a hasty decision. I should finally get around to doing some actual detective work on this game around then >_>;
##Unvote
cut by conq unvoting anyway lulz
I think I want to lynch CF7 more. While an extend doesn't sound half bad, since he showed back up pretty fast, I think it's not very necessary on the basis that I doubt we're going to make a lot of use of the extra discussion time regardless >> I'm fine with one if a bunch of other people want it but, eh.
##Vote CF7
its also worth noting that mafia can potentially win this phase due to kill priorites, where as sk can't
Raikaria, would a third party kill hook a mafia kill? Would it hook other actions (such as Rolecloping, for example) too?
Surprised to see Conq thinking he knows enough about scum CF7 to know what he would or wouldn't do as scum. Has CF7 even been scum here yet? Sounds mostly like Conq talking out of his ass to me. I continue to distrust him, but it doesn't look like enough people agree with me yet to take him down today.Excuse me? Weren't you the person who cleared CF7 for some reason like "I don't think his role is scum" via dwarf god or whatever. If that was so clear cut to you, why the sudden waver to reading weak scum on him "again." In fact, haven't you been reading him as weak town ever since you got into an argument over him with darkninja?
Why do people think I'm actually good at mafia anyways?Not only is the reason for voting CF7 shit, it doesn't read like a bus and instead like an attempt to get CF7 lynched over the doublevoter issue.
Also the last game of mafia I played that is sticking with me involved two fake guilties, I'm all game the setup'd out right now. I'm probably not going to bodyguard anyone anymore since apparently there are more non-mafia killers then there are mafia. >_> Since apparently I'm not TRYING ARD NUFF TO GAME THE SETUP: Zakeri has to be telling the truth because there's no other claimed source of the fourth kill. Cheez's action is possible if Cheez himself was roleblocked and both Dan and Oarf visited me, since they're both investigative they probably both had near-same priority and Dan took precedence because people have to act before Oarfish can see where they're going? Or something like that. My face is still cold from non-blanket exposure.
##Unvote I just woke up from face on keyboard so words are hard but i guess the most likely thing is he ended up targetting himself so, lol?
##Vote: CF7 This is literally the only case that doesn't have the words 'role' involved in them, also if Dark really is town it means he used the confusion to double-vote the doc when there was a good chance of him getting lynched.
uhm, I think I'm too tired to read DABC's posts because they're making my head hurt. I'll check tomorrow to see if he's actually saying words that make sense. By then I also expect Zakeri to have made a post with substance in it. And Serela I guess, but one of these people is marginally less likely to hurt my head to read afterwards.
Serela has confused his own scumpartners before so he really hasn't done something I'd consider Sereley enough yet to be obvtown. Actually this is the kind of thing I would expect if Sky P is his scumbuddy and he thought Zak was catching his obvscum partner. Serela if you could take it from the top with who is scummy and why, that would be super friends great.
Cheez's action is possible if Cheez himself was roleblocked and both Dan and Oarf visited me, since they're both investigative they probably both had near-same priority and Dan took precedence because people have to act before Oarfish can see where they're going? Or something like that.
I disagree with a lot of what he said upon returning though and I have no idea how he managed to come to the conclusions he did. Kind of weak scum reading on him again, which is again countered by his role not indicating him being scum in the slightest.Okay. With what exactly do you disagree? The part where i think that Serela is probably SK? Or the part where i read you as town? That can be fixed.
Cheez8; you are Urist McNoble: Dwarf Noble [Mafia Roleblocker+Godfather]
You are actually a Dwarf. However, you are a Noble Dwarf, which means you are not actually on the side of the everyday Urist. You?ve seen the last 5 Nobles meet ?Unfortunate Accidents?, so you?ll arrange for one before the lowly peasants can arrange one for you! They tend to be loyal to what you say until they?ve finished whatever deathtrap they plan anyway.
Each night, you may perform one of these abilities:
##Kill: Perform the Mafia Nightkill
##Roleblock: Mandate that the target cannot do their work, under pain of Hammering.
As a Dwarf; and not a goblin; you will show up innocent to Cops; should they exist in the game.
You win when your faction can control the lynch without outside assistance. Good luck!
Conqueror you are Urist McRetieredWarrior: Armored Dwarf ? [Town One-Shot Bulletproof]
You are an old, retired, warrior Dwarf, who goes around wearing his old Steel Armor. As such, your armor will protect you from one attempt to kill you during the game. Just as well; seeing as Dwarves are getting killed.
Since you are retired; you sleep at night.
You win when all threats to town are eliminated! Good Luck!
Aaaaand, considering that it's YOLO i need some more time to think.
He was also really inconstant with the no lynch thing which CF7 pointed out (suggesting it, then calling CF7 out for considering it.As I said yesterday, I also stated "but I really don't think it'd be productive", and then when it was actually considered by someone else I thought further and realized it'd be bad.
Yeah, but if you considered it as (fmpov) a townie, why couldn't CF7 have done the same thing.
I'm not voting you yet because LYLO and I want to reread and weigh up the options in case CF7 turns out to feel scummier in the end.
Why can't things be easy? D:
Anyway I'm the Town Jack of All Trades. I have a Doc/Vig/Cop. I used my Doc night 1 protecting DNA because doc claim, even if his end of phase conduct was really weird I figured the mafia would at least go for the doctor. :/
Tho i'm not sure i want to risk losing doc.
Serela; you are UristMcMason: Stoneworker ? [Vanilla Townie]
You are UristMcMason, who works on building the walls that make the fortress, the doors, the pots, and the chairs and tables. However, your work is tiring, and you sleep at night.
You win when all threats to town are eliminated! Good Luck!
CF7; you are Urist Mc Spiritual - Town Priest of Amok
You are Urist Mc Spiritual; the most spiritual member of the fortress. You run the Shrine of Amok; and as such; are a respected member of the community. So much so that you can invoke your divine rights to gain an extra vote for one day; and one day only.
To do this; you must say the following:
'By the Divine Right of Amok; Highest Dwarven God; and the God of Blood; hear my words today!'
You may only do this once in the game. This will adjust the votes required to lynch if necessary.
If you are killed unlawfully [Nightkilled] you will remain able to talk during the following day phase as a ghost. You will not have a vote during this time; although if you have not yet used your Divine Right; you may use it to give yourself a vote during this day. After this; your spirit will go to rest.
Note that if the mafia reaches vote control they win at the start of the day phase as they have majority; regardless of if you can take back vote control with your ability that day.
If you are lawfully killed [Lynched] you just die in peace; accepting your fate.
You sleep during the night
You win when all threats to town are eliminated! Good Luck!
SB; you are Urist Mc Vampire: Dwarf Vampire [3rd Party Vampire]
You are Urist Mc Vampire, a timeless; nigh-immortal dwarf that refuses to drink booze, instead drinking the blood of other hapless Dwarves. As such, every night you may ##Bite a target.
The bite of a vampire is beyond the ability of Dwarven medicine to cure; and any armor that exists will not save you from a bite to the neck.
Your win-condition is to control the vote; in other words; be one of the last two men standing. This over-rides the mafia wincon; you win if there is only you and one mafia remaining. A mere Goblin cannot stop you!
Just going to put it out there that there were multiple failed kills and that town has lynched 3 scum 3 days in a row and they're still in LYLO.I mean I get that you wanted the game to end sooner but the fact that town was still in LYLO after lynching scum 3 days in a row is kind of a thing.
Also, if I weren't dead instant gg due to hated.
Only one mislynch allowed. Possibly less?
Gud setup.
I mean I get that you wanted the game to end sooner but the fact that town was still in LYLO after lynching scum 3 days in a row is kind of a thing.
And then there's the fact that if anyone other than myself was lynched D1, then that would have left a hated townie in LYLO which results in an instant loss for town regardless.
I mean there was the potential for a D2 5:3:1 LYLO with a hated townie which is kind of disgusting.
I dunno, that's just my thoughts on the setup.
My apologies for playing like crap since I was way too distracted for mafia.
The SK won.
Dormio - You know; the idea of you being hated was to be a soft clear; right? And you managed to get lynched D1 despite that?You know; being hated is generally non indicative of alignment.
You know; being hated is generally non indicative of alignment.
Bah at cf7Not really. I was going to vote for SB, when he actually confirmed shooting you, but i guess he got really lucky that Cheez was godfather.
Bah
Poor Serela got out-Serela'd in LYLO. Bahahaha!
I've already given my thoughts on the setup, tl;dr the mafia have no fakeclaims and a Day 1 massclaim breaks the game in town's victory. Role Madness is a tricky beast like that. Huge props to SB for outright faking an innocent on someone and then lynching them the next day and getting away with it. Something related to props for the entire scum team claiming impossible actions that conflict with each other because we roll like that.
Sky: Claiming Vig D1 probobly isn't the wisest thing to do.
Grats to SB for the win, it's only the second serial killer win I've ever seen :)And out of all games i've seen/participated in that's like 5th or so.
I don't think the hated townie specifically made the game broken, the setup wasn't bad for what I expected from somebody hosting for the first time, balancing role madness without previous experience is a bitch.
But yeah I'd advise against putting hated townies into games unless it were a modifier to an already existing role. Getting a hated townie PM is not going to be fun for the person receiving it because they're rolling something worse than the standard vanilla which is already boring for many, whereas getting a role PM with a power role and a hated modifier or some other sort of nerf is still pretty cool regardless. Gotta make sure the roles are going to be fun for people to get and play with.
SB i trusted you to kill maf whyyyyy
I forgot who I decided I would've jailed.
...Poop.
<Serela> reading through the graveyard was pretty great:D
<Serela> it's like I'm the mascot of motk mafia
<Shadoweh> You definitely are
Fortunately had I more than enough time at my hand.Quote from: Skype...I'm not too confident but I guess you have your replacement.^^;
Dorian: Just wondering, are you going to continue the current game?
NekomimiRex: mafia?
Dorian: Yes
NekomimiRex: when did d2 start
Dorian: Around 10 hours ago.
NekomimiRex: that's like 6 AM for me
NekomimiRex: why do you ask
NekomimiRex: do you want my spot or something
Dorian: Well, I was playing with the idea.
NekomimiRex: if you want it I'll give it to you man, I haven't done anything useful yet anyhow
NekomimiRex: just say the word
Dorian: You see, I'm tempted but I don't know if I have the time to do much more.^^;
NekomimiRex: I certainly don't want to read 17 pages of posts then have you decide later either
Dorian: That's the reason why I asked you and why I didn't joined in the first place.
Dorian: My timing is questionable enough that I would only replace if it's necessary.
NekomimiRex: well I am pretty busy
NekomimiRex: yeah I think I'm gonna replace out, better then having town mad at me for basicaly not playing
Dorian: I see or rather saw your post, guess I have to PM Raikaria.^^;
cause diplomats don't have Thought-QTs and I miss my order PMs.Just a brief note, cause I was busy with my day three opening post that night.
I jumped into the game as the leading wagon and ended the day with not a single vote one me, picked up a case on scum like flowers in a park and got him lynched to top it all. All in all a nice start, don't you think so?^^
Now in before I or worse my scum picks get killed tonight. Also ## Sleep
DonGrigio
which I actually can't do at night.Well, here we have the point where my thoughts went into the wrong direction. Mostly cause I got the idea that Shadoweh could have rolecoped Conq and Ninja did the kill, which is just silly but I was really biased. Fortunately it didn't came to it.^^;
Oh dear, that game get's better and better.^^ I have to say that I was quite annoyed about the circumstances the day ended with. I mean, I actually unvoted to prevent a ?accidental? hammer when I sleep just to find that someone put her back on L-1 and even encouraged a selfhammer which then happened, well done Serela.^^;
But that flip makes my day, not only that it's now 3:2 in my ?get rid of her before she can get rid of me? recording but it also gives quite a lot of interesting implications. When I think about it, the Roleclop ? maybe SK situation looks kinda familiar, don't you think so?^^
However, we have to wait and see what the night brings, maybe I even get my so deserved exclusion from the ?being alive club?.^^ We will see it soon.