Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Beyond the Border~ => Rumia's Party Games => Topic started by: Bardiche on December 04, 2016, 11:02:12 PM
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RULES
1. Everyone should play to win.
1a. That doesn't give you a ticket to insult or otherwise be a ratty bastard. Any kind of conduct that breaches the forum rules will result in a mod kill.
1b. Pulling off gambits, even if they're dumb, still falls in the realm of 'playing to win.'
2. We agree to treat each other as human beings.
3. It is expressly forbidden to discuss the game outside this thread.
3a. It's allowed for scum to communicate in their QT.
3b. It's allowed to talk about the game with eliminated players or non-players after you have been eliminated. There's no Graveyard.
3c. I will create a Graveyard if half the confirmation posts request a Graveyard.
4. Each Day Phase lasts 48 hours. Each Night Phase lasts 24 hours. It is possible the phases end later, in which case the game continues until I freeze it. These extensions are because I am human and cannot always end a day on a particular moment.
4a. In the event of a hammer, Day Phase will end immediately. It is not allowed to post in the game thread after a hammer has fallen, unless you're the hammered and want to get out last words. Because you are dying, you cannot use more than 10 words as a final message.
4b. Night Phase can never be shortened.
4c. The game state has no effect on the length of either phase.
4d. Day 1 lasts 72 hours to account for JUST STARTING IT OFF LOL.
5. All posts must be writ in English.
5a. No posts may be writ during the Night Phase.
6. All votes must be writ as ##[VERB]: [name here]. Replace [VERB] and [name here] as desired.
6a. Unvoting is not possible. Voting someone will automatically remove all previous votes.
6b. It's possible to vote the mod, but I can never be lynched. Voting the mod has no negative consequences.
7. I may expand these rules as I see fit. Rules apply retroactively. That's to say: don't try to be a little shit and circumvent the rules through technicalities.
OFFICIAL SIGN-UPS:
1. That Old Guy
2. WindyKitsune
3. Raikaria
4. Schezo
5. Conqueror
6. Dormio
7. PX
8. Serela
9. L
10. BT
PLEASE POST TO CONFIRM YOU ARE ALIVE AND KICKING.
FUCK IT, THE GAME HAS STARTED. YOU HAVE 72 HOURS TO LYNCH A DUDE.
With 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to achieve a lynch.
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##Vote Bardiche
He took unvotes away, the madman.
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##[VOTE]: BT
Calm your bloodlust, man.
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PS: please use bolds for your votes, kthx.
PPS: Just so you know, you're allowed to edit your posts. Use at your own risk. I don't count votes in edited posts.
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OH IT ALREADY STARTED HI
Even if you can edit posts things will probably go better if you don't >:V I don't want to deal with "THEIR POST IS EDITED. THIS MIGHT BE SCUMMY". Because it really might be scummy? But we don't know? AUGH
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3c. I will create a Graveyard if half the confirmation posts request a Graveyard.
requesting a graveyard plox
##vote: Serela
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ditto about requesting graveyard, I like reading them after!
(or having fun if I actually do die, that also happens occasionally)
##Vote:BT
Convince Conq to get his vote off me and I'll unvote you, you scratch my back I scratch yours YES YES? ;D
Oh wait, this is the game mafia, not real life mafia where you threaten people with guns to do whatever
oh well that still works.
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I'm voting whoever edits their posts.
Graveyard request.
##Vote: BT
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3/5 wish for a graveyard, yet there is no response...!
VOTECOUNT
BT (3): Serela, Schezo, Old Guy
Serela (1): Conqueror
Bardiche (6): BT, L, PX, Dormio, Raikaria, WindyKitsune
Lots of time left to make a choice.
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##Vote Bardiche
I'd like a graveyard.
May I also request a list of players in the opening post?
##Unvote
##Vote Conqueror
Also, I think we can all agree on using edits by way of post?
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##Pet: The Old Guy
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Wow this started quick.
Also seconding the motion for a playerlist in OP for easy reference.
##Poke: L
Dude you have even less letters in your name than PX what is this.
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ditto about requesting graveyard, I like reading them after!
(or having fun if I actually do die, that also happens occasionally)
##Vote:BT
Convince Conq to get his vote off me and I'll unvote you, you scratch my back I scratch yours YES YES? ;D
Oh wait, this is the game mafia, not real life mafia where you threaten people with guns to do whatever
oh well that still works.
Ahem.
##Hey Conq
:C
Would you lynch this face?
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Poop
Who is even playing in this game, there's no player list :/
##Tag: Raikaria
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Oh snappadapple I didn't think we'd start so soon.
Hi friends
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Wow this started quick.
Also seconding the motion for a playerlist in OP for easy reference.
##Poke: L
Dude you have even less letters in your name than PX what is this.
Lynch all liars
##Vote Raikara
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IVE MADE A HORRIBLE MISTAKE
##Unvote: Raikara
##Vote: Raikaria
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4/5 wish for a graveyard, yet there is no response...!
VOTECOUNT
BT (2): Serela, Old Guy
Serela (1): Conqueror
Conqueror (1): Dormio
Old Guy (1): Schezo
L (1): Raikaria
Raikaria (2): PX, L
Bardiche (2): BT, WindyKitsune
Lots of time left to make a choice.
FRIENDLY REMINDER: Please read the rules. There is no Unvote.
A playerlist was always in the OP, any claims to the contrary are patently false. Cough.
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Here, I'll do it again.
##Vote Bardiche
##Vote Conqueror
Waaait. Was that because I didn't use a verb? Screw you.
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Already started?!?!
##Vote: the old guy
I don't know who vote, so vote random. ???
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It's 'cause you keep leaving out the colon BT.
Good vote WindyKitsune. Wagon it up ya'll.
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Oh my god it actually worked.
##Protest:Schezo
You encourage the wagons whilst not being on one yourself! O:
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Really? Are you trolling?
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My vote before that was -literally- trolling, I'm trying to at least slightly step it up :getdown:
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##Vote: Serela
Well, I don't know how much more clear I can be and I gave you a chance to reread that I was the lead vote on the old man and that Kitsune voted with me. I praised him and encouraged others and you just did what you did, which is scum. Neat.
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Oh my god it actually worked.
"Haha I got you" Oh wait Schezo was voting one da whole time!
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Oh whoops there was such a recent votecount I didn't realize it had changed since then. It was only like one post. ;_;
Also the "it worked" was in reference to bt actually voting conq for me or something along those lines
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oh wow I actually completely misinterpreted schezo's entire post
now this is going to look dumb because it's not like I have any better votes to make anyway >:V
##Vote:BT
because you were just... appeasing me without thinking for yourself, yes
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Ah; to return from work to the delicious smell of waffles. Some things never change.
Lynch all liars
##Vote Raikara
The playerlist calls you L. I was under the impression that was ya username.
I could call OMGUS and vote you for it, but then that would be the pot calling the kettle black
##Query: Schezo
Why do you feel the need to encourage people to wagon and praise them for doing so in RVS?.
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I'm just gonna say that Raikaria is intentionally adding extra obfuscation to his posts. Everyone else should play a bit before I go again though.
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Waaait. Was that because I didn't use a verb?
:derp: If it says to substitute a VERB, please substitute a VERB and not "any random word." :derp:
4/5 wish for a graveyard, yet there is no response...!
VOTECOUNT
BT (2): Old Guy, Serela
Serela (1): Conqueror
Conqueror (1): Dormio, BT
Old Guy (1): WindyKitsune
Raikaria (2): PX, L
Serela (1): Schezo
Schezo (1): Raikaria
Bardiche (0): You're all great, wonderful people and I want you to know I appreciate you.
Two days and two hours or so until the end of Day 1.
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@That Old Guy, WindyKitsune, and DaLetterEl
What's your previous mafia experience like? Want a quick baseline since I'm familiar with most of the other people playing.
Why do you feel the need to encourage people to wagon and praise them for doing so in RVS?.
Why not? How else will we get going in a 72-hour game?
oh wow I actually completely misinterpreted schezo's entire post
now this is going to look dumb because it's not like I have any better votes to make anyway >:V
##Vote:BT
because you were just... appeasing me without thinking for yourself, yes
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
All votes right now are trash almost by definition, so I think you're trying to overcompensate, Serela. Sad! :V
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:C
Would you lynch this face?
Indubitably. The question is, would you?
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I'm just gonna say that Raikaria is intentionally adding extra obfuscation to his posts. Everyone else should play a bit before I go again though.
I fail to see how I am making my messages ambiguous. I call a vote on me potential OMGUS because the playerlist called the player L; and also say it';s not worth voting for it; since that in itself would be OMGUS.
I don't see how I'm being confusing about that.
And I certainly do not see how you can prove intent.
What I do see if you avoiding my question.
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What I do see is you avoiding my question.
Fixed.
Also forgot to point out you state 'posts' implying more than one. When I only made two posts and one was complete RVS.
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Seeing the need, I wrote a program to help me vote for this game.
import random, urllib
page = urllib.urlopen("http://svnweb.freebsd.org/csrg/share/dict/words?view=co&content-type=text/plain")
text = page.read().splitlines()
verb = text[int(random.random() * len(text))]
page.close()
if verb == "Unvote":
print "Are you drunk?"
raise SystemExit()
print "%s: %s" % (verb, "Serela")
I'm crossing my fingers.
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##Vote Raikaria
Something rubs me off about that response just now. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301433.html#msg1301433) The "are you pressuring people to wagon on RVS" question seemed like it'd go nowhere, and you're being more hostile than what that question warrants.
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Indubitably. The question is, would you?
Serious answer: yeah, probably, I would. Serelers folded a bit hard on the Schezo vote instead of just admitting it was a misunderstanding, plus the forced vote. Then again, I'm not in a hurry to read Serela.
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@That Old Guy, WindyKitsune, and DaLetterEl
What's your previous mafia experience like? Want a quick baseline since I'm familiar with most of the other people playing.
I've played Mafia and variations before, but this is the first time i'm playing it on a forum.
Also i wish for a graveyard.
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Serious answer: yeah, probably, I would. Serelers folded a bit hard on the Schezo vote instead of just admitting it was a misunderstanding, plus the forced vote. Then again, I'm not in a hurry to read Serela.
I completely missed that someone got on the person Schezo voted, which actually made his post totally normal, so it'd be really weird if I like... admitted the vote was actually entirely misfounded and then -left my vote sitting there anyway-
But swapping to a vote that was supposed to be slightly meaningful to a jokevote is ;_; Even if it pretty much was still jokevote phase.
Amusingly though, let's revisit that vote. Raikaria's right in that Schezo just kind of made a vague comment and avoided actually responding to Raikaria's vote on him.
##Vote:Schezo
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##Save: Bardiche
##Kill: Raikaria
Srsvote
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I don't really see where Raikaria was being ambiguous, just a little overly wordy about something fairly insignificant (calling OMGUS on an RVS post, smh). Schezo, where do you see that?
I'm not inclined to think Schezo was deliberately avoiding a question since I feel like something that simple is so easily answered it's more likely he had to scram. I am interested in how he'll respond, I guess.
@Raikaria: About your initial question to Schezo, is there something scummy about encouraging wagons in RVS?
@Serela: Eh, but do you think that's scummy that he didn't respond directly? From my perspective, it looks like Raikaria asked Schezo a question (admittedly not very interesting but I guess it had potential to go somewhere), Schezo made a snappy and sarcastic comment in response and Raikaria got frustrated and is doubling down and starting to nitpick.
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So I don't really think Raikaria being hostile is scummy atm.
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I'm not inclined to think Schezo was deliberately avoiding a question since I feel like something that simple is so easily answered it's more likely he had to scram. I am interested in how he'll respond, I guess.
@Raikaria: About your initial question to Schezo, is there something scummy about encouraging wagons in RVS?
I'm just attempting to pick up any thread I can to move things out of RVS and start actual discussion.
My initial vote wasn't a big one. Hence why I only used #Query. I thought that would get across that my reason for voting wasn't major.
It's not so much the encouragement of wagons but the praising of someone else for joining it. Although; in RVS; that is a very very minor thing, it was pretty much the only thing I could see to go on to start the actual game. Apparently; it worked!
Then I just refuted the accusation that I was 'intentionally adding extra obfuscation to his posts' and pointed out Schezo avoided answering my question while at the same time finding the time to attack me. Which in my mind is scummy; especially when the question was so minor to start with.
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Ok here's the problem Raikaria. I said you were adding obfuscation to your post that to me, looks intentional. Just like in Ace Attorney Mafia you just did stuff like call players by their names but not the official name to add an extra little mental gymnastic to just think about who you are referring to in your posts. I consider it the same thing. So you doubling down on whatever OMGUS garbage you're talking about from RVS after I gave a little quip was my just, "I don't really like this but, as you admit":
And I certainly do not see how you can prove intent. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301433.html#msg1301433) . If I were to respond to your question when I gave my quip about your post we'd still be in RVS. That you wanna come after me when you are right, I did not know your intent, is heavy duty reaching that looks pretty mafia
Amusingly though, let's revisit that vote. Raikaria's right in that Schezo just kind of made a vague comment and avoided actually responding to Raikaria's vote on him. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301497.html#msg1301497)
Ok, Serela. So, you're saying how Raikaria just attacked me, was genuine and coming from a not nefarious place? I disagree.
##Vote: Raikaria
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Reaching to try and move the game out of RVS is pretty mafia?
Attempting to get the game actually moving so we have real material to hunt scum with is a scum move?
What kind of logic is that? We could stay in RVS forever if you'd like. But that would only benefit scum.
And please, I didn't know his official name. The player list just said L. If you're going to lynch someone over that; lynch Bardiche. I didn't know who L was referring to and just made a jokevote in my obligatory RVS post. If you think that's obfuscation fine. I don't think we're going to get anywhere talking about obfuscation anymore.
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And if I just instantly responded to your question we'd still be in RVS so what is really going on here? Vote Raikaria the mafia bois
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From nowhere comes the rank smell of decaying and rotting flesh...
A graveyard has been constructed next to town.
VOTECOUNT
BT (1): Old Guy
Serela (1): Conqueror
Conqueror (1): Dormio
Old Guy (1): WindyKitsune
Raikaria (4): PX, L, BT, Schezo
Schezo (2): Raikaria, Serela
Bardiche (0): You're all great, wonderful people and I want you to know I appreciate you.
Two and a half-ish days left.
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Oh boy dead bodies!
Normally it's the kind of thing you try not to say but to be totally blunt either of you can be saintified by "I was trying to end RVS" but that entirely defeats the actual purpose of trying to end rvs. When the game just isn't progressing otherwise we have to pretend someone actually looks guilty for something that's excused by RVS. If I give both of you a pass for that I'm nearly back to RVS and that would be awful. :I
As for responding to Schezo, compared to everything else going on, yes, I think it looked like an actual decent reason!
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to add onto my second paragraph:It sounds bleh but generally it's fine because once the game starts moving, you can usually forget about the original dumb RVS shenanigans and move on to actual reasons. We've still got over half of D1 and let's be honest this happens most games and we just don't usually say it out loud :V
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Hmm. @mod, what's the rule on inactivity. Are there modkills or prods?
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Hmm. @mod, what's the rule on inactivity. Are there modkills or prods?
Not playing is a breach of rule 1, playing to win. Strategic lurking is a permitted gambit. To preserve strategic lurking, I'm going to look the other way.
Tl;dr it technically breaks the rules but I'll tentatively allow it unless it becomes problematic.
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Two and a half-ish days left.
One and a half-ish, right?
I like Conq's format, think I'll copy it.
@Raikaria: what's your beef with Schezo right now? Schezo clears up a bunch of things for you in this post. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301571.html#msg1301571)
@Schezo: actually, I'm curious why you were cool with Serela's vote in that post. He goes "Schezo just kind of made a vague comment and avoided actually responding to Raikaria's vote" and you just take that in stride.
@Serela: what I just said. You better not be voting Schezo for deflecting Raikaria's question.
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My go-to lurker wagon is Dormio by the way. If I'm not happy with the trajectories in the above post, I'm starting a lurker wagon.
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Actually,
##Vote Serela
I prefer this vote.
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Nah if Serela honestly wants to say stuff like this:
Normally it's the kind of thing you try not to say but to be totally blunt either of you can be saintified by "I was trying to end RVS" but that entirely defeats the actual purpose of trying to end rvs. When the game just isn't progressing otherwise we have to pretend someone actually looks guilty for something that's excused by RVS. If I give both of you a pass for that I'm nearly back to RVS and that would be awful. :I
and still vote me for some reason. Like word? This is a bunch of gobbltygook. We left RVS a while ago and for imo pretty neat reasons and you think Raikaria is more in the right over my explanation as you said this after I clarified a few things.
Looks pretty maf.
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Screw you, I'm busy with work. Just because I don't have to care about it as much doesn't mean that it doesn't eat up a bunch of my time and energy.
Anyway, I'm just going to add things to my post as I think of them while I read the thread.
I'm just gonna say that Raikaria is intentionally adding extra obfuscation to his posts. Everyone else should play a bit before I go again though.
I really hate posts like this. It's basically super non-committal and it reads to me like "Hey look at this guy for me and make a case while I'm gone so I can jump onto it".
Makes me tempted to vote for Schezo on that basis alone.
However, as I read through, I see that Schezo actually followed through and made a post for Raikaria in #44 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301571.html#msg1301571). Let's take a look at it.
Ok here's the problem Raikaria. I said you were adding obfuscation to your post that to me, looks intentional. Just like in Ace Attorney Mafia you just did stuff like call players by their names but not the official name to add an extra little mental gymnastic to just think about who you are referring to in your posts. I consider it the same thing. So you doubling down on whatever OMGUS garbage you're talking about from RVS after I gave a little quip was my just, "I don't really like this but, as you admit":
And I certainly do not see how you can prove intent. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301433.html#msg1301433) . If I were to respond to your question when I gave my quip about your post we'd still be in RVS. That you wanna come after me when you are right, I did not know your intent, is heavy duty reaching that looks pretty mafia
I don't agree with the obfuscation point and, therefore, feel like Schezo is placing too much emphasis on a weak point to push an early wagon.
##Unvote
##Vote Schezo
Anyway, other people also exist. I think.
Actually, after reading, they don't.
I don't really find anybody other than Raikaria and Schezo interesting right now so I don't really have much to say about them.
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Nah if Serela honestly wants to say stuff like this:
and still vote me for some reason. Like word? This is a bunch of gobbltygook. We left RVS a while ago and for imo pretty neat reasons and you think Raikaria is more in the right over my explanation as you said this after I clarified a few things.
Looks pretty maf.
Hop on.
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Nah if Serela honestly wants to say stuff like this:
and still vote me for some reason. Like word? This is a bunch of gobbltygook. We left RVS a while ago and for imo pretty neat reasons and you think Raikaria is more in the right over my explanation as you said this after I clarified a few things.
I still think the original vote was half-decent for the point in time that I made it. Both of you are just going "I was trying to end RVS!" at eachother, and I mean, sure, that defense does sort of work, but you two are still the most compelling thing happening all day so I'm sticking with it and the way the situation is developing is not changing my mind. Dormio's the only other person with a notable post and I actually agree with the whole thing, so.
In response to BT yeah I am :dwi: I think Raikaria voting him for it is fine and Schezo's continued case is that Raikaria's response is not fine and is scummy reaching, which I disagree with. I'm p.fine with my vote on Schezo staying where it is.
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Schezo is placing too much emphasis on a weak point to push an early wagon.
That's exactly what I did. On page 1 of mafia. Anyway the bait was also a bait like you called me out on. You think my intent which got discussion going was scum? You're pushiing on a nulltell.
And since Serela also thinks these nulltells are scum he's the mafia here validating a derp.
##Vote: Serela
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I still think the original vote was half-decent for the point in time that I made it. Both of you are just going "I was trying to end RVS!" at eachother, and I mean, sure, that defense does sort of work, but you two are still the most compelling thing happening all day so I'm sticking with it and the way the situation is developing is not changing my mind. Dormio's the only other person with a notable post and I actually agree with the whole thing, so.
In response to BT yeah I am :dwi: I think Raikaria voting him for it is fine and Schezo's continued case is that Raikaria's response is not fine and is scummy reaching, which I disagree with. I'm p.fine with my vote on Schezo staying where it is.
Hmm. I can't see how you think that first vote was decent after his explanation in #44. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301571.html#msg1301571) Before just now you were talking about RVS stuff instead of Schezo's response. I'm a little shifty-eyes you append your case after Dormio did the work for you.
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So I'm supposed to think that Raikaria being under the impression a player's name was L when the signups list called him L, is reasonable to argue as him adding scummy obfuscation into his posts?????
Now that's what I call a stretch. :I
No, I don't think there was anything wrong with me voting Schezo over it.
Part of Schezo's defense was that he avoided answering for the sake of helping end RVS (And then Raikaria talked about ending rvs with his stuff too turning it into a whole thing), and avoiding answering was a good part of the initial reason I voted him, so yes, I talked about that.
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So I'm supposed to think that Raikaria being under the impression a player's name was L when the signups list called him L, is reasonable to argue as him adding scummy obfuscation into his posts?????
Now that's what I call a stretch. :I
No, I don't think there was anything wrong with me voting Schezo over it.
Part of Schezo's defense was that he avoided answering for the sake of helping end RVS (And then Raikaria talked about ending rvs with his stuff too turning it into a whole thing), and avoiding answering was a good part of the initial reason I voted him, so yes, I talked about that.
Here's my lens: Schezo sees a wordy Rai post and points it out. It's not a solid argument, but I can see someone arguing that. On the other hand, you're voting him for the argument and for avoiding the dumb question, which are total duds to me.
If I'd vote Schezo, it's for accepting the way you presented his post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301497.html#msg1301497) in the first place, and for constantly inserting those "I admit it, you're right about ___" lines, which bug me for some reason. None of the things you're voting him on.
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Ding Ding Ding,
I actually did stuff that was scumtastic and instead of getting jumped on for that (Dormio), which would be a genuine case from town, I get jumped on to get jumped on (Serela.)
Rev up the wagon.
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You know my most recent post before this one was made 5 mins before I left for work and I completely missed the relevance that Ace Attorney Mafia had.
I realized it after walking for about 10 mins and came here ready to smash apart Schezo's case on me because of the number of logical hoops he's using to connect me calling DaLetterEl merely 'L' to me being scum.
About 5 mins after that I decided that maybe even if Schezo's logic was bad at least he's attempting to scumhunt just like I'm attempting to so maybe I shouldn't get on his case anymore than needed to see how other people react.
Then I come back and read the thread and I'm almost dissapointed that I don't get to talk about me roleplaying Damon Gant and giving everyone nicknames in character in an anon game where I happened to be scum. Because surprise surprise; things happened.
And while I can see Schezo's logic in the Serena case; I think there is something even worse.
What's worse than jumping on someone to be jumped on as Schezo claims instead of jumping on someone for being 'scumtastic'?
Jumping on the case that is being made by someone being scumtastic. That's what.
##Save: Bardiche
##Kill: Raikaria
Srsvote
By Schezo's own admission he was being 'scumtastic' and PX just jumps on it without even explaining. It's worse to jump on a case that's obviously scumtastic than to jump on someone being scumtastic in my books.
I think that's a stronger thing to chase up than Serela. Although I'll be honest, but this just be personal bias from the fact that Serela was defending me. I also just got home from work and I want read over it a few times and wait a little just to see how Serela responds to this development before I make a proper judgement on it.
##Vote: PX
I could change this if I re-read and see something in Serela's posts that seems fishy, but I think PX has at least as much explaining to do as Serela.
Also glad to see we're not following MotK town meta of two townies slap each other silly trying to break RVS D1 and one of them gets lynched.
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I typo'ed Serela as Serena a few times.
What is this.
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Yeah re-reading I'll say I basically agree with the points on Serela but I don't want to hop on the wagon just yet and think we need to chase up PX as well here.
Rev up the wagon; but don't all jump on it quite yet.
Because hopping on a scummy wagon for no explained reason is suspect. BT gave a reason and his vote wasn't jumping on a case. And of course DaLetterEl hadn't posted since RVS.
Although to be completely fair to PX because of his complete lack of an explanation he could have been agreeing with BT not Schezo. But still; he was putting me at L-2 for no explained reason that early in D1.
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Honestly, I don't think PX's vote was unreasonable at the time he made it even if he gave zero reasoning. I wouldn't be adverse to a wagon but I'm mostly neutral and feel there could be (?) better lurker targets. Like if I had a vig I'd shoot DaLetterEl on suspicion of tactical lurking. FPMH.
I agree that Schezo's logic progression in the last few pages has been a little janky but I don't think it's janky in a scummy way, reminds me of what happened in Ten Desires Mafia.
When the game just isn't progressing otherwise we have to pretend someone actually looks guilty for something that's excused by RVS. If I give both of you a pass for that I'm nearly back to RVS and that would be awful. :I
Part of Schezo's defense was that he avoided answering for the sake of helping end RVS
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avoiding answering was a good part of the initial reason I voted him, so yes, I talked about that.
Okay...sure, in RVS you can trump up reasons to vote for people because that's how you get the game started. From what I got from your posts you agree Schezo could have been doing that. What I keep getting from you is that "I'm justified voting Schezo" and less "Schezo is scummy." Sure. We have about a day left and it's safe to say RVS is over. So why do you think Schezo is scum? Are you scum Serela? :ohdear:
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Also glad to see we're not following MotK town meta of two townies slap each other silly trying to break RVS D1 and one of them gets lynched.
Does that mean you think Schezo is town now?
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Does that mean you think Schezo is town now?
Correct; also alluded to by me posting 'wait a second maybe Schezo is just doing the same thing I'm doing' realization as I was walking.
I merely think PX should explain his vote. Schezo by his own admission was being scummy when pushing on me. PX jumped on that wagon without any explanation.
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Correct; also alluded to by me posting 'wait a second maybe Schezo is just doing the same thing I'm doing' realization as I was walking.
I merely think PX should explain his vote. Schezo by his own admission was being scummy when pushing on me. PX jumped on that wagon without any explanation.
AKA: Not voting PX for a lurker lynch reason. Actually voting PX because I think he's done something scummy that is similar but not the same as what Serela is being voted for.
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Hmm, sure, I can buy that. I'll let PX defend himself.
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From nowhere comes the rank smell of decaying and rotting flesh...
A graveyard has been constructed next to town.
VOTECOUNT
BT (1): Old Guy
Serela (3): Conqueror, BT, Schezo
Old Guy (1): WindyKitsune
Raikaria (2): PX, L
Schezo (2): Serela, Dormio
PX (1): Raikaria
Bardiche (0): You're all great, wonderful people and I want you to know I appreciate you.
22 hours left, tick-tock.
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I'm :C that all three of the new players literally don't exist.
:C
Okay, Conq asked me again why I think Schezo is scum. I'll go over it again because I don't know anything more to say about it at this point and I really still can't see anyone else worth voting. If I had to vote someone else I -guess- it'd be PX for not having words? Lurker lynches d1 are sort of sad. >_> But people really don't seem interested in Schezo and when I wake up tomorrow there's gonna be like 12 hours left with me apparently having become the main wagon. THAT MAKES A LURKER LYNCH SEEM OKAY I GUESS? We'll see how/if PX responds.
So. Schezo.
1.Schezo accuses Raikaria of adding obfuscation to his posts... which consists of... having thought DaLetterL's name was L. Because it was listed as L in the signups.
2.Schezo later actually votes Raikaria over this. ??? Like, sure, he explained why, but I really can't understand how people think it's bad for me to criticize his reasoning here. It seems absolutely silly to me!
3.Schezo accuses me of being mafia when I reply to both of them talking a bunch about "I did it to help end rvs" and for me siding with Raikaria. I don't understand how any of this is bad. >:C
4.When I continue to think these points are scummy, he votes me over my reasoning. It's a better case than his one on Raikaria, at least? BUT STILL. My reactions to his case listed in previous point!
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The playerlist calls you L. I was under the impression that was ya username.
I could call OMGUS and vote you for it, but then that would be the pot calling the kettle black
Mostly voting over this bit, this was completely pointless and had no reason to be posted. Literally what was the whole point of saying you'd vote him for OMGUS but it'd also be OMGUS, downshooting your own line of reasoning?
Also I agree with BT from back then. Now back to this point
By Schezo's own admission he was being 'scumtastic' and PX just jumps on it without even explaining. It's worse to jump on a case that's obviously scumtastic than to jump on someone being scumtastic in my books.
Literally why? The only way that association would work is if you think the person who made the initial case was scum, which means you're pairing me and Schezo up to being scum partners, but you think Schezo is town, so ???
Also I have no idea what Serela is on
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ayyyy. It's the hyperbole crew. Yeah, the fact that neither Raikaria or Serela acknowledged the parts PX just pointed out about why I had issue with Raikaria's post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301417.html#msg1301417)
We're just gonna hold on to the "Schezo would be dumb to think this part" (scum play) instead of the actually concerning filler that one could see taking issue with. You're pushing the weakest part of the post to grab onto like, are you feigning the whole scumhunting thing, or this just makes me look worse. Probably a combination of both.
Rev up the wagon; but don't all jump on it quite yet.
"lynch him guys, but don't!"
But still; he was putting me at L-2 for no explained reason that early in D1.
This isn't even a bad thing. Let the mafs come drive by hammer a town unclaimed. Come on..
1.Schezo accuses Raikaria of adding obfuscation to his posts... which consists of... having thought DaLetterL's name was L. Because it was listed as L in the signups.
Here's where you missed the chance to acknowledge Raikaria had filler play. Whoops.
2.Schezo later actually votes Raikaria over this. ??? Like, sure, he explained why, but I really can't understand how people think it's bad for me to criticize his reasoning here. It seems absolutely silly to me!
Yeah some absolutely silly stuff happened at the start of day 1 ya'll. You're not taking context into account. I'm literally baiting there like, "Hey guys there's a really bad point I see, does anyone else wanna point it out before I get there?" PX just did.
3.Schezo accuses me of being mafia when I reply to both of them talking a bunch about "I did it to help end rvs" and for me siding with Raikaria. I don't understand how any of this is bad. >:C
4.When I continue to think these points are scummy, he votes me over my reasoning. It's a better case than his one on Raikaria, at least? BUT STILL. My reactions to his case listed in previous point!
I'm voting you for being mafia because your case doesn't feel genuine. It feels more like a game of aha! I see the scum stuff at last.
It's like, really Serela you really think I'm mafia over how I handled RVS?
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Literally why? The only way that association would work is if you think the person who made the initial case was scum, which means you're pairing me and Schezo up to being scum partners, but you think Schezo is town, so ???
Except I wasn't pegging your vote as scummy by association. I was pegging your vote as scummy because it had no explanation; showed no effort in scumhunting and was just hopping on a [By Schezo's own admission] scummy-looking wagon.
That has nothing to do with if Schezo is actually scum. In fact, if you were both scum you'd be stupid to do that because then I'd flip town and D2 it would be a case of 'Schezo pushed the townie wagon hard over something so minor and PX hopped on it for absolutely no reason they're scum'.
ayyyy. It's the hyperbole crew. Yeah, the fact that neither Raikaria or Serela acknowledged the parts PX just pointed out about why I had issue with Raikaria's post (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301417.html#msg1301417)
We're just gonna hold on to the "Schezo would be dumb to think this part" (scum play) instead of the actually concerning filler that one could see taking issue with.
I'd have explained that part if someone had actually talked about that part. I assumed you had issue with me calling him L. No-one corrected me.
Also as I said in my return from work post; there was something else in one of your posts I disliked; [The appeal to meta with Ace Attorney Mafia] just further developments made it pointless to attack since it changed my opinions.
Although I do also wonder why people are making a big deal about 'filler play' in someone's 2nd post in the entire game that was during RVS. If that's the case; everyone who posted before me is guilty of that too. That said; the fact I find that a bad thing adds onto the 'I was being scumtastic to bait people' gambit Schezo is claiming to have done. And I don't see why he would have revealed the gambit when he did if it wasn't legitimate.
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Maybe I'm rustier at mafia than I thought ;_; I never liked d1 in the first place.
Wait, so people actually like... significantly care about Raikaria's omgus sentence? Like wut? That's the reason PX is voting Raikaria? This is blowing my mind here. It's pretty much obviously a total joke line in rvs. I mean, for Schezo to push it is one thing (I guess... since it was still page 1 rvs) but then for PX to come drive-by vote it much later is dude wut, ontop of not explaining his vote until now, but even then I still think voting a pointless rvs joke line once the game has sorta picked up is just awful; the fact that he didn't explain the vote until he got flak about it is just gross icing on the cake.
I guess it's "filler", yes. But everything on page one (save maybe schezo's post) is this, I can't see how Raikaria's joke is possibly any scummier than the rest (As far as I can tell it's roughly identical to my line to BT for being "Appeasing"), and PX going after it at this point and in the method he did it seems like a total excuse of a vote.
B##Accuse:PX
I still don't like Schezo >:C But apart from PX looking actively scummier, I guess I can at least see why he's (Schezo's) voting me now, GRUDGINGLY. I don't exactly agree with his reasoning but I can at least understand how he got from point A to point B. Plus there's also nearly interest in voting him anyway and we've got like 10 hours or something, so we're heavily into consolidation time.
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oops, well just in case
##Revote:PX
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*plus there's also nearly no interest in voting
ebwop
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Sorry all, finals season got a hold of me. I'll be back in some hours to post.
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Hey, new players!
If you're reading this right now, don't freak out! You don't have to wade through all the arguments in the thread. Just your general feelings about the game will be fine - who's the most trustworthy? Who would you keep away from? Start posting, and it'll be easier from there.
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Deadline in 5 hours
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Deadline in 5 hours
Wait what already?
And all our new players haven't even made a meaningful post. Shame; since I could really use more people's opinions on what's going on instead of us lot being an echo chamber.
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6AM and I have to head out for work in a bit so I'm just going to be posting my ramblings.
Will not be around for deadline.
I'm still not liking Schezo.
I find it funny that he says this in #75 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301825.html#msg1301825):
It feels more like a game of aha!
When I feel that he's just as guilty of doing something similar in #63 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301725.html#msg1301725)
If I had to choose between Raikaria and Serela, who are the other currently viable wagons, I would have to put my vote on Serela.
It feels like, to me, Raikaria is actually being pretty earnest about trying to find scum in his own way whereas Serela is...
I dunno, feels like his early game was super forced. Like he was trying to get his name out there as "Hey look at me I'm doing the things".
Example: #48 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301598.html#msg1301598)
Like, he says it's bad to outright state that you took some action to end RVS but he doesn't really do anything with the information?
You know, like, he's already voting Schezo and says that it's terrible that both Schezo and Raikaria did the same thing but he doesn't really seem to take it into consideration in his future posts?
I feel as though, given Schezo and Raikaria were the only interesting people at this point and Serela said as much, this should be far more important to Serela and not just a throwaway point?
I also don't like Serela's #58 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301696.html#msg1301696) where he simply states that he agrees with my entire post about Schezo.
Like, surely there must be some points in there that you either don't agree with or agree with more than others?
Feels, again, like a throwaway motion if you're just going to say "yeah I agree with that person over there" and not explain which parts you agree with and how they shape your opinion.
Also I don't understand the case that Serela is making on PX. Why PX over any of the other lurkers?
Also while I was typing this I think I convinced myself but maybe it's just deadline pressure getting to me and knowing that I won't be around for it.
Maybe.
##Unvote
##Vote Serela
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PX, do you have anything to say about Raikaria other than the OMGUS thing? It wasn't a useful thing to say but that doesn't necessarily mean it's scummy so it's weird to me that you're mainly voting him over that.
I do agree that Raikaria's contention that PX didn't vote Schezo for being scumtastic is weird (but I don't think scummy weird) because a) that was Schezo's own description of his play (wtf Schezo) and b) even in that case I assume PX would have found both Raikaria and Schezo scummy so it's not weird he'd vote either one.
I just mainly wanted to say that I think Serela's sudden "realization" of PX's vote being awful seems completely contrived since the drive-by vote already existed and the grudging acceptance of Schezo's vote, god the entire thing just feels slimy. I dunno, if someone else had typed this out I might have been okay with it but I don't think this is town Serela.
Serela, claim.
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Also I don't understand the case that Serela is making on PX. Why PX over any of the other lurkers?
...did you even read my post?
I'm not even voting PX for lurking.
Like seriously.
I'm voting PX because this far into the day, he explicitly stated he's voting Raikaria for an RVS joke line. Ontop of the fact that he dropped the vote earlier with no words which made it worse, but the main reason is that the vote's reason is awful.
As for the rest of your stuff against me, I didn't say it's bad to state that about RVS. I dunno where you got that. That's also where you're confused I didn't "take it in consideration" and treated it as throwaway that Raikaria/Schezo both did some terrible thing- because they didn't.
In the post where I said I agreed with you I later (in that post) stated some reasons which coincided with yours.
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Granted I know that PX only made his clarification recently.
SERELA WHY ARE YOU SO CALM ARE YOU REALLY SERELA
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I just mainly wanted to say that I think Serela's sudden "realization" of PX's vote being awful seems completely contrived since the drive-by vote already existed
The drive-by vote wasn't good but lynching him over that D1 would have been the lamest lurker lynch ever, and lurker lynches d1 are lameo lame to start with.
But then he explained the -reason- behind the vote and the reason was awful.
I'm vanilla town.
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CONQ WE HAVEN'T PLAYED MAFIA IN LIKE OVER A YEAR
PEOPLE CHAAAAANGE
ALSO IT'S D1 AND THERE'S BEEN A VERY LOW AMOUNT OF TALKING, IN FACT EXTREMELY LITTLE HAS HAPPENED.
THERE'S LIKE NOTHING ELSE I CAN EVEN SAY D:
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I really hate this game because I think as scum here Serela doesn't claim VT.
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@86
If I had to vote someone else I -guess- it'd be PX for not having words? Lurker lynches d1 are sort of sad. >_>
I was going off this.
Normally it's the kind of thing you try not to say but to be totally blunt either of you can be saintified by "I was trying to end RVS" but that entirely defeats the actual purpose of trying to end rvs. When the game just isn't progressing otherwise we have to pretend someone actually looks guilty for something that's excused by RVS. If I give both of you a pass for that I'm nearly back to RVS and that would be awful. :I
I was going off this.
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Anyway I need to get stuff done before I go to work bye.
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Like damn, we basically have a 6 person d1. And only one of those people looked even remotely scummy until like a few hours ago, but no one felt like talking after that apparently???? There's almost nothing to talk about. :C And between that and it being d1 and it being pretty quiet there's no real tension here.
Oh no. I'm being strung up. No one seems interested in counterwagons. My case on Schezo was just getting me murdered and people don't seem to care about PX, or haven't even -responded- to PX and just don't really exist anymore.
I would have liked to see Dormio's response but he's -gone- I guess so so much for that?
Like what's even supposed to happen anymore.
cut by dormio yay!
Oh. Dormio missed the post where I made the case on PX apparently. He noticed the vote though...
:C
It was #77 but I also restated the case there. You're gone anyway though so ;_;
But yeah I can see how you go tthe conclusion off the RVS comments, but anyway I didn't mean the RVS thing in itself was bad, just that I couldn't completely excuse bad actions off it. So I didn't! Now, once RVS was in the past I probably wouldn't care at all anymore, but then the game barely went anywhere to start with, plus I started liking schezo less overall, etc
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Yeah, I don't really know about the alternatives (I guess I'll do some reading after I finish some stuff I should be doing right now). Although the way we're going I wouldn't be surprised if we no-lynch. How are we supposed to get 6 votes moving with 3 people who haven't posted since RVS?
BT (1): Old Guy
Serela (4): Conqueror, BT, Schezo, Dormio
Old Guy (1): WindyKitsune
Raikaria (2): PX, L
PX (2): Raikaria, Serela
Bardiche (0): You're all great, wonderful people and I want you to know I appreciate you.
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I guess I'm okay with voting PX but I don't think his posts lean either way for me at the moment. So it's down to how much I really want to lynch Serela. Aren't you glad Serela?
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A LITTLE BIT
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Quick comment but does anyone else want to start a Dormio wagon?
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@That Old Guy, WindyKitsune, and DaLetterEl
What's your previous mafia experience like? Want a quick baseline since I'm familiar with most of the other people playing.
Why not? How else will we get going in a 72-hour game?
I've played Mafia under Werewolf setting. I've played with my friends about 10-15 times in face to face, with action-based roles and about 30 minutes matches. It's first time that I play Mafia on a forum. At the moment there are some Mafia words used I'm getting used to vocabulary here and Mafia Wiki seems really good.
It's 'cause you keep leaving out the colon BT.
Good vote WindyKitsune. Wagon it up ya'll.
Thank you Schezo!
I'm sorry you got blasted because of this, still it seems helped to move the game over the RVS stage.
Hey, new players!
If you're reading this right now, don't freak out! You don't have to wade through all the arguments in the thread. Just your general feelings about the game will be fine - who's the most trustworthy? Who would you keep away from? Start posting, and it'll be easier from there.
Thank you too, BT!
I want to point out that yesterday I was offline because my poor timetable at university; now I have some days to participate more actively.
That's the situation I see here:
Schezo encourages a wagon, Serela misunderstands and votes Schezo accusing him wagoning without voting and Schezo answers with an OMGUS and Raikaria casts a vote against Schezo while saying not to OMGUS against L; I see a reasonable way that move is a random wagoning by Raikaria against Schezo, which made vote PX. But, I would like to know why PX followed Raikaria? It's still not clear for me. So:
##Initialize_the_vote_against PX
until something about that vote is more clear.
The situation about others seems a bit unclear for now, in sense:
- Serela's issues about Schezo's move are solved.
- Schezo's complains about post Reikaria's obfuscation seem dismissed.
- Schezo's wagoning are motivated as scumhunting.
- Consider also lots of votes were done in RVS stage.
This makes me think Raikaria, Schezo and Serela are clean, for now.
Obviously another problem is some people not interacting (for example me, sorry), if there are no important reasons then I don't mind voting them.
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Quick comment but does anyone else want to start a Dormio wagon?
I actually had the thought reading his Serela post but then there was a line that made me think no no no scum wouldn't say that. Can you guess which one?
I see Dormio's activity light on so if I'm talking about this already:
@Dormio:
+ Try to verbalize what you still don't like about Schezo because I'm not seeing it (your original vote does not age well)
+ Are you fine with convincing yourself to vote Serela despite how Schezo's the one pushing the case?
I'm gonna try and gather my thoughts on Serela because Conq makes me waffle easily. I don't see who else we're going to be able to lynch at this point though.
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Maybe PX, but I kind of like the cut of his jib. Hm.
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On phone only reading between stuff at work can't really typr
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Will try to answer some stuff bit don't expect detailed or timely response
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The active players in this game have actually made me think "huh, isn't that a townpost?" multiple times throughout the day, except for Serela. Like, I emphasize with the people saying he's in-genuine, since I never felt the fire behind his posts this game. A lot of argument making and self-reassurance and not so many original insights. Even now I'm more inclined to think the latest posts are a desperation move, trying to win people over with counterarguments before he becomes the only viable wagon.
Conq, why do you think he'd try and find a fakeclaim as scum? I mean, it's something he's done in the past, but, like, a while ago in the past.
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Maybe PX, but I kind of like the cut of his jib. Hm.
but like the only thing he's said is that he's voting raikaria for something trivial he said in rvs
what jib is there to like D:
BT it's pretty hard to make original insights when the game has been fairly inactive and all the active players look fine! Even the big people Raikaria and Schezo have only drawn comparatively minor amounts of actual suspicion in the big picture, the PX thing only just happened because he only recently explained his vote, and I'm the only other thing that's happened today (And obivously I'm not voting myself)
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(not to mention I think the suspicion against said Raikaria is all silly and obv. my schezo case is getting me lynched at the moment)
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The active players in this game have actually made me think "huh, isn't that a townpost?" multiple times throughout the day, except for Serela. Like, I emphasize with the people saying he's in-genuine, since I never felt the fire behind his posts this game.
This is pretty much my issue with Serela. I can't tell if it's just because we're all mafia rusty or if it's just the way he words things, but I see less a passion for finding the scums and more justifications on why his vote is okay.
re: fakeclaiming - I think because it's a small semi-open setup with no doc, scum serela would want to find that pr asap. But now that I think about it, if there are only 2 scum and serela isn't the mafia boss then it literally doesn't matter if they find the cop who might not even be sane anyway. so yeah i guess it's not huge point.
cut by serela - I don't think it's your schezo case that's getting you lynched, at least it's not why I'm voting you.
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@bt re:schezo
Basically whenecer I read schezo it feels like to me he's only looking at surface actions like yeah that looks like something scum would do without looking for deeper meaning.
It's a bit better now but I hold a lot of value in first impressions as you should know how stubborn I am about these things
As for am I okay with voting Serena despite schezo voting him?
I am.
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but like the only thing he's said is that he's voting raikaria for something trivial he said in rvs
what jib is there to like D:
Umm well,
I get the sense he's just doing his own thing, pointing out when people bug him. That time he expanded on why he didn't like Raikaria felt focused and not like he's trying to construct some safe vote. I'm not going to conjure up a bunch of townie-sounding behavior though. I'm just gonna say I think he's scumhunting for the little he's done.
BT it's pretty hard to make original insights when the game has been fairly inactive and all the active players look fine! Even the big people Raikaria and Schezo have only drawn comparatively minor amounts of actual suspicion in the big picture, the PX thing only just happened because he only recently explained his vote, and I'm the only other thing that's happened today (And obivously I'm not voting myself)
Here's the thing though:
If you think people look fine, you can vocalize that. I know I just said I think most of the active players are probably town, but that doesn't mean their play was thaaat townie? People sure found things to say about people not-you-and-PX, and I can gather things I dislike about Raikaria and Schezo and others if I want, but I don't. Your line of thinking you're a victim of other players being too townie to make a case on, is actually pretty scum-like.
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ftr I'm not really interested in a Dormio wagon and I don't see the line BT is referring to in Dormio's post that scum wouldn't say.
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I see less a passion for finding the scums and more justifications on why his vote is okay.
well my schezo vote caught flak from a lot of people from like the moment I made it
so I've been having to justify it a lot D:
and the case hasn't changed a particularly large amount since then so I'm mostly just restating stuff
Re:Bt's recent post, I mean it's not like I don't have cases, Schezo and PX, it's just you're like "well you're not making original insights" well I dunno what else to make insights -on- other than scumhunt? >.> Generally day 1 isn't a time you go around talking about how town you think everyone is, and in general talking about towniness isn't a large priority
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We
Serela Serena now. The players dictate it.ftr I'm not really interested in a Dormio wagon and I don't see the line BT is referring to in Dormio's post that scum wouldn't say.
It's not a rock-solid scum wouldn't post this line. It's something that gave me some serious pause:
Also while I was typing this I think I convinced myself but maybe it's just deadline pressure getting to me and knowing that I won't be around for it.
Maybe.
Like, it's both a pretty great genuine moment and not something I see scum admitting to doing, unless they're really putting on an act, and I think Dormio's playing pretty normal so far.
I like his response to me just now too. Not lynching him.
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I'm just quickly posting to say hey I'm here for deadline and as I have said before; I see the reasons behind the Serela wagon; I just believe what PX did at the time was worse.
Now reading the posts since my last one. I'll post again after that. Then I'll be back and checking the thread after every rift run on D3. [So every 5~10 mins]
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Re:Bt's recent post, I mean it's not like I don't have cases, Schezo and PX, it's just you're like "well you're not making original insights" well I dunno what else to make insights -on- other than scumhunt? >.> Generally day 1 isn't a time you go around talking about how town you think everyone is, and in general talking about towniness isn't a large priority
I don't agree, though. The Schezo and PX cases are pretty standard duty that aren't abnormal as town or as scum, and the things that would've made me think you're necessarily town aren't there. Like, some color in your game, you know? Yes, I did expect better insights from you. That's what started my vote in page 2 when you were talking about RVS theory instead of how Schezo or Raikaria made you feel. Another example: when you understood Schezo's case on you, wasn't that dry? I mean, I can see you coming to understand his case, but you gave nothing else about him in particular. Most of the time you're just talking about how people aren't here, instead of focusing on what is here. There's this trap people usually enter when they're the focus of the day and whatever they say can't be good enough because they can't talk about anyone but themselves. I don't think that's the case here though! I think there's enough to analyze here. I think you aren't doing the analyzing because you're focused on yourself and your survival because you're prooobably scum. Sorry. :C
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Man, I missed Real vs Dortmund talking about mafia. Fuck me.
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I'm just quickly posting to say hey I'm here for deadline and as I have said before; I see the reasons behind the Serela wagon; I just believe what PX did at the time was worse.
Now reading the posts since my last one. I'll post again after that. Then I'll be back and checking the thread after every rift run on D3. [So every 5~10 mins]
Okay how can you 'see the reasons behind the Serela wagon' and you haven't caught up yet. Don't appease us that hard. Talk about the wagons instead and how PX's worse.
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This might be Serela x Raikaria but I'm just mashing the 'Post' button right now.
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Reminder that we still need majority so hey PX maybe get on the wagon instead of your Raikaria vote? What's that doing for you?
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stop shipping me with raikaria bt
this is mafia not a romance animoo >:C
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Quick comment but does anyone else want to start a Dormio wagon?
PX; if you don't actually scumhunt or at least answer the criticism aimed at you, I am going to try my damnedest to push your wagon all the way to the noose. Even if I have to flip to Serela just so we don't no lynch.
Like, you don't show up a few hours before deadline and just suggest a random wagon with no explanation.
And that's on top of hopping on Schezo's scummy wagon for no given reason, and then said given reason being worthless [Fluff in my post during RVS applies to literally everyone who posted before that point]
Also; for what it's worth; we know we have a cop. I think it's pretty clear from the consensus of the town that whichever of Serela and PX get lynched, the other should be copped.
A wild Kitsune appears and I like it's style.
As alluded to above; I really do not see the point of a Dormio lynch. I don't even really see the scumtell.
Basically:
I think PX is scummy for his lack of scumhunting; and hopping on Schezo's self-admitted scummy case. Admittedly; this is somewhat normal PX behaviour, but that doesn't change the fact that the behavior is scummy as hell. I think PX is a better lynch than Serena.
Serela there's not much to say that isn't parroting what others say. PX v Serela really comes down to which town thinks is worse; PX jumping on a bad wagon or Serela jumping on a counterwagon while missing/not stateing the scuminess in Schezo's wagon.
Dormio hasn't done anything that looks particularly scummy to me. Maybe very minor, but nowhere near PX/Serela.
Everyone else ranges from 'meh' to town. Won't outright say who I think is town and who I think is most town; since that paints targets on the backs of said trusted townies for mafia to remove those trusted people; and there's no Doc to use that info.
Lynch one of PX and Serela IMO. I prefer PX but would lynch Serela if I have to. Also down for a lurker lynch if we can't get a consensus between PX/Serela. Any Cop should check whichever of those two we don't lynch. I say Cop because if sanity isn't guarenteed there#s probobly a sane and insane cop.
@ BT cut [one of 6]: Yeah I can see how it might look like Serela x Raikaria with Serela defending me early and me wanting a PX lynch over Serela. If Serela's scum it looks bad on me but I just think PX's actions [And inactions] are worse.
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How did I manage to strikethrough that last section.
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Also only mentioned Dormio in my opinions on people due to the call for a Dormio lynch.
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You can edit your posts, you know! Especially useful for fixing broken tags or quotes.
I'm fine with that reply, actually, but I think you're making a mistake comparing the PX/Serela wagons like that. PX has barely said anything worth analyzing while Serela's posts are everywhere, so surely you can think of something better to say about them.
I am going to try my damnedest to push your wagon all the way to the noose. Even if I have to flip to Serela just so we don't no lynch.
kek
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We still have time sheesh.
##Poke: Serela
Dormio was giving me vibes from the last game we played so I felt like exploring that, but that can be left for another day.
Serela is eh, just put that as a lynch that's not me
As I said Raikaria, I fail to see your reason to see why jumping onto a scummy wagon is inherently scummy unless the person who made said wagon is scum. For what purpose would scum get out of jumping onto something that would get major attention in the negative light? Therefore, on what weight does your case hold?
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btw
BT (1): Old Guy
Serela (5): Conqueror, BT, Schezo, Dormio, PX
Raikaria (1): L
PX (3): Raikaria, Serela, WindyKitsune
this would be a great time for L or Old Guy to pop in
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but PX what do you really think about Serela?
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Eh; going by who's actually here, it's pretty clear a PX lynch isn't happening.
##Vote: Serela
As I've kept saying. I'm perfectly happy with a Serela lynch. If I wasn't happy with it I'd be looking for things to prevent it as well as trying to get PX lynched.
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Raikaria's case boils down to, "Schezo's mafia, but not yet! So PX by extension is also mafia." Raikaria's doubled down on this reasoning and when Serena flips scum here in a second Raikarias scum would not shock me in the slightest.
So yeah kudo BT for that earlier.
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Wait what?
My point is PX jumped on your self-admitted scummy wagon with no reasoning.
I haven't pushed you as scum for over 24 hours now. Don't misrep me.
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That and PX's lack of scumhunting and non-content posting.
But as I said; a PX lynch isn't happening tonight. So it's pretty much pointless to keep shoving the same reasons in someone's face. But my reasons for making the PX case are completely independent of your alignment.
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Hammer shut up, except for Serela
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:C:C:C:C:C:C:C:C]:C:C:C
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Can someone explain just wtf is going on.
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Can someone explain just wtf is going on.
Serela is going to die in 5 minutes.
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Bard PM me when you want this unlocked
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I was absent for a little, sorry! Serela was a filthy Maflord so killing him was a good idea. His role was Mafia boss.
24 hours to give me a name if you have a role, or are scum and want to effect a kill. No response means I randomise. Goes for town roles (if any) as well!
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Whoop, game's begun again! Day 2, and you have 48 hours.
REGRETTABLY, or not so, we have to say goodbye to Dormio. He died and he was Town.
Sorry for sloppiness, upsetting day. :^) But I am here for you and I am modding.
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Uh, well it's not like Dormio was scum and he did swing the vote onto Serela at a critical juncture but I thought for sure BT was the walking dead.
Off the top of my head, I'm looking at Raikaria or WindyKitsune. I'll have some questions up in a bit.
Serela was pretty complacent at the end of the day yesterday and the push on PX seemed half-assed, which made me worry a bit about bussing after the flip, but I can't see anyone on the early wagon that would be partnered with Serela (maybe me but I'm town :^)). It's possible that was his version of a full-power push, which would point to one of the people on the PX wagon.
Thinking Old Guy and L confirmed town for not even bothering to save Serela lmao. Unless there are three scum, but I think two scum is a reasonable assumption.
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I'm working under the assumption PX is town because there wasn't nearly enough bussing there for PX to be scum.
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@WindyKitsune: Can you explain how you arrived at this conclusion?
The situation about others seems a bit unclear for now, in sense:
- Serela's issues about Schezo's move are solved.
- Schezo's complains about post Reikaria's obfuscation seem dismissed.
- Schezo's wagoning are motivated as scumhunting.
- Consider also lots of votes were done in RVS stage.
This makes me think Raikaria, Schezo and Serela are clean, for now.
I'm not sure how you get that those three are town from these points. Could you explain?
I was going to vote WindyKitsune here but then I read Raikaria:
I think that's a stronger thing to chase up than Serela. Although I'll be honest, but this just be personal bias from the fact that Serela was defending me. I also just got home from work and I want read over it a few times and wait a little just to see how Serela responds to this development before I make a proper judgement on it.
##Vote: PX
I could change this if I re-read and see something in Serela's posts that seems fishy, but I think PX has at least as much explaining to do as Serela.
Yeah re-reading I'll say I basically agree with the points on Serela but I don't want to hop on the wagon just yet and think we need to chase up PX as well here.
Rev up the wagon; but don't all jump on it quite yet.
Honestly if he had just voted PX because he thought PX was scummier I would have been 100% fine with it but this reeks of overexplaining how he toootally agrees with the Serela case but he just wants to run up PX first. And he repeated it multiple times! No shame in being wrong but this just looks like he was trying to get away with hedging his bets.
##Vote: Raikaria ez game
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##VOTE: Raikaria. Cause I'm bored.
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But do you think he's mafia?
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Yeah sure, why not.
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w0w. Next level
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Uh, well it's not like Dormio was scum and he did swing the vote onto Serela at a critical juncture but I thought for sure BT was the walking dead.
You're telling me, I don't have anything prepped.
##Vote Raikaria
Yeah, interactions reek something really bad. I'll add that the original PX vote was calling on some serious wordsmith magic tricks just to get another wagon off the ground.
What's worse than jumping on someone to be jumped on as Schezo claims instead of jumping on someone for being 'scumtastic'?
Jumping on the case that is being made by someone being scumtastic. That's what.
By Schezo's own admission he was being 'scumtastic' and PX just jumps on it without even explaining. It's worse to jump on a case that's obviously scumtastic than to jump on someone being scumtastic in my books.
I'm not gonna start arguing logic about this, just read the quote and tell me it's not garble.
But I didn't want us to be complacent with this lynch like every other D1 scum lynch game where you have like 2-3 lynches lined up and it turns up the townies were scum the whole time, so, uh, let's see what else we can talk about while this is happening.
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Then again in this game I'm finding it hard to doubt Conq, Schezo or PX even if I try. PX is easiest because he doesn't have a lot of content but Serela's way of addressing him seems scum-to-town, so I'll pass.
Maybe I'm rustier at mafia than I thought ;_; I never liked d1 in the first place.
Wait, so people actually like... significantly care about Raikaria's omgus sentence? Like wut? That's the reason PX is voting Raikaria? This is blowing my mind here. It's pretty much obviously a total joke line in rvs. I mean, for Schezo to push it is one thing (I guess... since it was still page 1 rvs) but then for PX to come drive-by vote it much later is dude wut, ontop of not explaining his vote until now, but even then I still think voting a pointless rvs joke line once the game has sorta picked up is just awful; the fact that he didn't explain the vote until he got flak about it is just gross icing on the cake.
Conq has been on the ball the whole game and while that's not a towntell (I KNOW BETTER THAN THAT), I'm finding it hard to believe he wouldn't have at least helped conjure some sort of counterwagon to Serela.
Schezo is rock solid from both sides of the interaction basin, part of the headcanon I had for yesterday's lynch was how Serela didn't want to push Town!Schezo anymore, and the interactions are really strong in general.
It's really just the inactives and Raikaria. :shrug:
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Fully expected to be run up here. Which is annoying because I'm town.
I mean; what sort of idiot scum would hard defend their 'scumbuddy' like Serela did D1?
Honestly if he had just voted PX because he thought PX was scummier I would have been 100% fine with it
I said that about 5,000 times. OK; 5,000 is exaggerating but still.
Also; I draw your attention to #67 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301739.html#msg1301739) to #71 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301752.html#msg1301752) as a particular example. Especially #70; where I state:
AKA: Not voting PX for a lurker lynch reason. Actually voting PX because I think he's done something scummy that is similar but not the same as what Serela is being voted for.
and your response is:
Hmm, sure, I can buy that. I'll let PX defend himself.
And all of a sudden my PX case makes me scum when you were fine with it D1?
There were two reasons why I pushed PX over Serela despite being fine with a Serela lynch:
1: I thought PX was worse. Admittedly; PX's way of playing always makes me think he's scummy.
2: We could just have run up Serela and talked about nothing else for 24 hours but more talking means more to go off D2 to lynch someone else.
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Actually;' continuing to read; Conq; you were voting for Serela before Schezo's whole gambit thing. Schezo started the wagon moving and you just rode it.
Also there's this:
This is pretty much my issue with Serela. I can't tell if it's just because we're all mafia rusty or if it's just the way he words things, but I see less a passion for finding the scums and more justifications on why his vote is okay.
re: fakeclaiming - I think because it's a small semi-open setup with no doc, scum serela would want to find that pr asap. But now that I think about it, if there are only 2 scum and serela isn't the mafia boss then it literally doesn't matter if they find the cop who might not even be sane anyway. so yeah i guess it's not huge point.
Seems a little odd to be talking about the number of scum when it was never specified how many scum there are.
That said; it would be some next level bussing for Conq to ride the Serela wagon all day long. But; if there are only 2 scum and he's the other one; it's not past the realm of possibility. Especially now that he's contradicting himself and misrepping me [Said he had no issues with PX case. Claims he'd be fine if I'd say 'I think PX was scummier than Serela' when I said this REPEATEDLY] while starting the easy town lynch.
The bussing is also a play I think Conq might actually do.
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On another hand; it is worth noting PX didn't vote Serela until BT poked him to do so. On top of the stuff D1 and the fact that PX always looks scummy to me.
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##VOTE: Raikaria. Cause I'm bored.
Yeah sure, why not.
This is really really bad and I don't care if I'm called on OMGUS for this.
Especially since, and I hate to bring this up of all things:
I was absent for a little, sorry! Serela was a filthy Maflord so killing him was a good idea. His role was Mafia boss.
24 hours to give me a name if you have a role, or are scum and want to effect a kill. No response means I randomise. Goes for town roles (if any) as well!
This seems oddly specific and seems to indicate that one of the lurkers is scum.
##Vote: The Old Guy
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I still can't make sense of Raikaria's reason I'm scum. Will be voting him but I'd like to see his response first
Cut: wot
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After TOG I'd actually probobly say my next suspect after him; discounting lurkers; is Conq for the reasons I stated above.
Also TOG's vote on me is really bad because he's literally just popped up for the first time this game; voted the easy town mislynch for no explanation [Again; do you really think that Serela is THAT dumb to give away his scumbuddy so hard D1? Especially when his wagon is going off the cliff? He was setting my up to be lynched D2 as soon as he new he was going], and when pressed on 'do you think he's mafia' his response of 'Sure; why not' is horrible.
I still can't make sense of Raikaria's reason I'm scum. Will be voting him but I'd like to see his response first
Cut: wot
Lack of explanation for vote.
While jumping on a wagon that by Schezo's own admission was scummy and flawed.
Lack of scumhunting.
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And all of a sudden my PX case makes me scum when you were fine with it D1?
Ignoring the whole part where the person you didn't vote until the end and cut day short was scum?
Also it seems fairly reasonable to be 2 scum 8 town because 3-7 is a really stupid set up that can end after 2 days
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Yet I repeatedly stated I was happy with a Serela lynch.
I didn't have to turn up at endday to provide the hammer. If I was scum I could have easily just not been around for deadline and forced a no lynch due to the lurkers.
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This seems oddly specific and seems to indicate that one of the lurkers is scum.
##Vote: The Old Guy
If i WAS a scum, i wouldn't say "IM LYNCHING YOU CAUSE IM BORED", i would have been smarter than that, thats too suspicious. I'm town.
And the lurking thing is just me being lazy.
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See its your second point of yours that I can't make heads or tails about. How is it scummy. Why is it scummy. Why would scum do it? Why wouldn't town do it? And the fact that you keep emphasizing it without explaining it.
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Also forcing a no Lynch on a mafia member would be the quickest way to throw a game. That is not a defense on your quick hammer.
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Meanwhile back to your second point, we now have proof that there was a scummy wagon. Namely mine. And that leads to you and Windy Kitsune. So there is a legit reason to suspect you guys unlike your point on me
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Another thing of note is Serela's posts and mindset coming into the final hours. Like Conq noted Serela wasn't being his usual caps lock panic self until pointed out, which would mean he was reasonably sure that the outcome of the day wouldn't be a negative one towards his faction. This means he had reason to believe he wouldn't be lynched that day. I doubt BT or Conq would go full on bus right away so that points to those off the wagon.
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Meanwhile back to your second point, we now have proof that there was a scummy wagon. Namely mine. And that leads to you and Windy Kitsune. So there is a legit reason to suspect you guys unlike your point on me
Except the wagon was started by me and Serela joined it because of Not Me Over Me.
Me making the wagon is not inherently scummy.
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Also I'll just note that I fully expect to get lynched today regardless of what happens.
Which gives the mafia what they want but also probobly gives the cop his sanity at least because I'm 90% sure the cop copped me if he had any sense after Serela flipped town.
I'm just going to do my best to point out who's probobly the scum on my wagon as I go down. Then maybe people will listen once I flip Vanillia.
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'After Serela flipped town'
What. Why am I being so dumb.
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And all of a sudden my PX case makes me scum when you were fine with it D1?
Yes, because Serela flipped scum and that most likely makes PX town. More importantly, it's not the case on PX which I think makes you scum. It's how you handled the Serela wagon, repeatedly telling us how you agreed about the points on the Serela wagon while starting a new wagon in the last 24 hours with half the game absent. That would be weird from anyone and I think it's very out of character for you as well. You're headstrong, never afraid to just vote who you think the scum is, and more importantly, you're not an appeaser. So why did you keep emphasizing that you thought the Serela wagon was also okay as well? The only reason I can think of is that you were trying to explain your behavior in the case Serela flipped. Town you wouldn't have been so focused on justifying why you voted PX over Serela. You'd be focused on PX full stop. Tell me if I'm wrong here (I know you will, but am I really wrong?)
There were two reasons why I pushed PX over Serela despite being fine with a Serela lynch:
1: I thought PX was worse. Admittedly; PX's way of playing always makes me think he's scummy.
2: We could just have run up Serela and talked about nothing else for 24 hours but more talking means more to go off D2 to lynch someone else.
1. If that's the case, why didn't you take that into account? I always take that into account while reading PX - it's the main reason I was mostly neutral with him but could still support a lynch on him. 2. We could also just run up serela while talking about other people, nothing stops people from talking about people they're not voting for
Seems a little odd to be talking about the number of scum when it was never specified how many scum there are.
I actually wanted to bring that up at some point and ask how many scum people thought there were but I figured it wasn't that helpful until we got some flips going. Right now I'm assuming there are two, but three is possible given BP.
Especially now that he's contradicting himself and misrepping me [Said he had no issues with PX case. Claims he'd be fine if I'd say 'I think PX was scummier than Serela' when I said this REPEATEDLY] while starting the easy town lynch.
Nope, not contradicting myself or misrepping you and you're not reading what I said. Actually, you're misrepping me:
Honestly if he had just voted PX because he thought PX was scummier I would have been 100% fine with it but this reeks of overexplaining how he toootally agrees with the Serela case but he just wants to run up PX first. And he repeated it multiple times! No shame in being wrong but this just looks like he was trying to get away with hedging his bets.
Need an example of the distinction? See WindyKitsune's vote on PX. It's not well reasoned out at all, but he didn't make repeated excuses about why he didn't want to vote for Serela despite thinking Serela was preeeety scummy. But you did.
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I didn't have to turn up at endday to provide the hammer. If I was scum I could have easily just not been around for deadline and forced a no lynch due to the lurkers.
I knew this would come up. Alternatively, you didn't want the lurkers to pop in and hammer a Serela vote out of nowhere (we had at least one of them show up by the end of he day) and then you'd look really bad. Or, Serela would get lynched at another point in time and then you'd basically be confirmed mafia because you thought Serela was mafia the entire time but never voted him. Oh wait PX said this above me.
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Also to address points about me being potential scum who bussed Serela - I'll admit I mostly just sat on Serela all day and I wouldn't say I was one of the main people who drove the wagon, but as scum I hate lynching my buddies so you bet I would have pushed hard on other people while poking Serela (sorta like what I'm saying you did in this game). Check out my most recent scumgame where I pushed townies all game until my buddies imploded and I then had to push them because they were the only people being looked at.
@the old guy: any other thoughts you want to share about the game?
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Also I'll just note that I fully expect to get lynched today regardless of what happens.
Also, I really fucking hate this defeated bullshit attitude. Whether it comes from town giving up or scum faking it.
If you're scum just go ahead and lie down and die (and I won't let you get away like I let Bardiche get away with it when he tried to pull this). But if you're town, then bloody fight for your life. I've been on the receiving end of wagons as town because of pushes I made on counterwagons to scum, multiple times in fact. But you know what I did? I fought tooth and nail and managed to change the flow of the conversation and sometimes even got my scumspect lynched instead. I convinced people who suspected me that I was town by showing them who the real scum was. So if you're town here, show us who the best alternative is. Your current vote uses a mod note indicating one of the lurkers is scum when it does nothing of the sort. If you think I'm scum, let's throw down.
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I am fighting for my life.
But I am also accepting for the fact that I am probobly getting lynched.
If I had given up I wouldn't be posting; I wouldn't be trying to find things; I wouldn't be pushing on things like I was pushing some things you said.
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And I've not voted you yet because I was pressing for info on stuff and thinking it over.
I need to actually find a counter-case on someone which I actually think is stronger than the cases on me. Day phases are 72 hours. I got time to think.
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It's also the fact as I said before that lynching me actually makes some sense if we *can't* make headway on who's scum because there's a cop in the game that has unknown sanity; and I was the logical cop option.
Although seriously; I'm like 80% sure the scum is a lurker from what has been posted by the GM and the fact no-one really helped Serela at all; even long before the hammer. And it's hard to make a case on people with no content.
Especially when there's three of them.
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Day phases are 48 hours.
There's no guarantee of a cop or that they copped you so we shouldn't be using that line of reasoning in the first place.
I can buy scum being a lurker - it would explain why Serela seemed like he gave up. They would have to have been so busy that they couldn't make an ounce of effort to save Serela though, or they just plain don't care.
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VOTECOUNT
Raikaria (3): Conqueror, Old Guy, BT
Old Guy (1): Raikaria
Bardiche (∞): Everyone else, you dicks.
Not even a day's gone by and you're already looking to kill each other. You have one and a half day or so to consolidate on a lynch.
With 8 votes in play, you need 5 to lynch.
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@mod Raikaria is voting Old Guy and BT is voting Raikaria
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I'm too ATE'd by WindyKitsue to get a legitamite opinion. I think Conq has something with him if Raikaria doesn't flip mafia. His whole "directing the possible cop then build a case on that" just reads as a fish. Probably 3 mafia.
##Vote: Raikaria
I'm also down to lynch the old guy for not playing. It reads like this, "I'm holier than thou and don't have to denigrate myself with anything more than a bit of lazy play so calm down you townies." scum line
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And that's the thing. Lynching me is the lazy play which Serela wanted you to do by buddying me D1.
Oh yeah the role list isn't guaranteed. So lynching me might not even help a cop.
Can't help but notice Conq being a lot more proactive on my mislynch than the Serela lynch. Bear that in mind when I flip. Also; Conq scum would explain Serela 'giving up' since Conq was voting Serela since RVS and never unvoted.
But right now I don't feel like there's enough that I didn't point out at the start of the day to make a solid case that isn't based around me being town; knowledge that you guys don't have.
And aside from a potential; weak Conq case; I think the scum is one of the lurkers. I mean seriously how do you make a case on Windy; L or Old Guy when none of the three has much to analyze and it could be any of those three.
I'll try and make some sort of case or at least dump everything I think in a coherent fashion later. If I'm going to get lynched I might as well throw down everything I have for town to go off.
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Short infodump on all players. I'll probobly go deeper on stuff later but I want to get this out seeing as I'm not far from being hammered.
1. That Old Guy - Lurker. Only content is a non-explained jump on an easy wagon on a townie. [Current one]. Could easily be scum
2. WindyKitsune - Lurking. I guess it's a negative being involved with the PX wagon. That's why I'm getting strung up now. I think less likly scum than the other lurkers.
3. Raikaria - Me. I'm town.
4. Schezo - Started the Serela lynch; so is pretty much cleartown.
5. Conqueror - I'll probobly have to talk more about this later; but I think of all the active players he's most likely scum.
6. Dormio - Is it fair to call Dormio a lurker this game? Still; what little he's posted seems town at a glance.
7. PX - As much as PX's style of playing mafia triggers every scum sense I have; it's probobly unlikely at this point that PX is Serela's scumbuddy.
8. Serela - Flipped Scum
9. L - Lurker. Could easily be scum and has literally no content to use to make a case.
10. BT - Early adopter of the Serela wagon; so is probobly town.
So; IMO; it's between Conq and the three lurkers for the scum. I make such a big point of the lurkers due to a potential slip by Bard of all people but that's more content than most of those three have posted this game so...
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Also worth mentioning if I had to rank my 4 potential scumpicks it would be Old Guy > L/Windy > Conq.
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Page 1: RVS nonsense. Nothing to use here.
Page 2: #31 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301427.html#msg1301427) Conq makes RVS vote on Serela. He never moves from it.
About the only thing relevant on P2. None of the lurkers posted. Conq asks a few questions and defends me.
Page 3: Here's where things pick up since Schezo has just revealed his whole gambit thing.
#67 and 68 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301739.html#msg1301739) are Conq's first posts after the Serela gambit.
Conq states Schezo's logic is 'janky' but remains on the Serela wagon. Also he says:
I wouldn't be adverse to a wagon but I'm mostly neutral and feel there could be (?) better lurker targets. Like if I had a vig I'd shoot DaLetterEl on suspicion of tactical lurking. FPMH.
So he still dosen't even think Serela is scum yet is riding the wagon.
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Also there's my vote on PX in #68 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301727.html#msg1301727) where I state...
What's worse than jumping on someone to be jumped on as Schezo claims instead of jumping on someone for being 'scumtastic'?
Jumping on the case that is being made by someone being scumtastic. That's what.
By Schezo's own admission he was being 'scumtastic' and PX just jumps on it without even explaining. It's worse to jump on a case that's obviously scumtastic than to jump on someone being scumtastic in my books.
I think that's a stronger thing to chase up than Serela. Although I'll be honest, but this just be personal bias from the fact that Serela was defending me. I also just got home from work and I want read over it a few times and wait a little just to see how Serela responds to this development before I make a proper judgement on it.
Oh wait look at Conq's explanation for voting me:
Honestly if he had just voted PX because he thought PX was scummier I would have been 100% fine with it but this reeks of overexplaining how he toootally agrees with the Serela case but he just wants to run up PX first. And he repeated it multiple times! No shame in being wrong but this just looks like he was trying to get away with hedging his bets.
Bolded in the last two quotes is clear evidence Conq is misrepping me hard to angle things as me being scum hedgeing my bets.
It takes until #85 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301910.html#msg1301910) for Conq to finally actually address the Serela wagon and state he thinks Serela is 'slimy'. He also tells Serela to claim.
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Serela Claims VT and then Conq says as scum he doesn't think Serela claims VT (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301918.html#msg1301918)
He still keeps voting for Serela however; despite thinking Serela's claim isn't from !ScumSerela.
I guess I'm okay with voting PX but I don't think his posts lean either way for me at the moment. So it's down to how much I really want to lynch Serela. Aren't you glad Serela?
#95 reeks of scum. Firstly; here's Conq not practicing what he preaches. He accuses me of hedging my bets and then says that earlier.
The bolded bit in particular is very fishy wording. Wouldn't seem out of place for a scum saying 'I'll lynch you if it benefits me'. Serela's response is also weird. Also note nothing about Serela being scummy; it's based on his personal desire to lynch Serela.
#106 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301950.html#msg1301950) also says the Schezo case isn't why Conq is voting Serela. So... uh... why is he voting Serela?
Also the potential slip about the number of scum.
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Day 2:
Conq suddenly goes from passive D1 and very; very wishy-washy on the Serela lynch to hard pushing on me. A very rapid shift in attitude. Also the midrep in #138 (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1302614.html#msg1302614) which I pointed out in the Page 3 section.
#136/url] is a bit strange in how he specifies himself as a potential Serela partner and then writes it off. Also attempting to justify his vote after the flip. Instead of before it when it should have been done. He also happens to bring up bussing as well. In the same line.
Also his potential slip about the number of mafia in the game.
tl;dr: Conq's vote on me is based on a massive misrep. In addittion; he had some fishy interactions and reactions in regards to Serela. Indeed, his reason for voting Serela was never explained. He literally just rode the wagon.
(https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1302570.html#msg1302570) If you think I'm scum, let's throw down.
##Vote: Conqueror
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Can't help but notice Conq being a lot more proactive on my mislynch than the Serela lynch. Bear that in mind when I flip.
I'm more proactive because it's Day 2 with a scumflip (more information instead of just whiffing fumes) and 48 hour day instead of 72.
I do agree that it's difficult to differentiate the lurkers based on the content but at the same time there is a difference. If we're going solely by content I think L is the scummiest - since BT recruited him I assume he has mafia experience, but the only thing he has done this game is pop in to give an excuse. As for the other two, I'm waiting for them to respond.
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Reading this case actually made me mad.
I wouldn't be adverse to a wagon but I'm mostly neutral and feel there could be (?) better lurker targets. Like if I had a vig I'd shoot DaLetterEl on suspicion of tactical lurking. FPMH.
So he still dosen't even think Serela is scum yet is riding the wagon.
What you quoted was in reference to the PX case, I literally said
Honestly, I don't think PX's vote was unreasonable at the time he made it even if he gave zero reasoning. I wouldn't be adverse to a wagon but I'm mostly neutral and feel there could be (?) better lurker targets. Like if I had a vig I'd shoot DaLetterEl on suspicion of tactical lurking. FPMH.
Bolded in the last two quotes is clear evidence Conq is misrepping me hard to angle things as me being scum hedgeing my bets.
Clear and total bullshit. I need a new post to tackle this one.
It takes until #85 for Conq to finally actually address the Serela wagon and state he thinks Serela is 'slimy'. He also tells Serela to claim.
Also bullshit, the only lynch I've shown interest for all game is Serela's wagon and a cursory glance tells you that I do have posts before the one you quoted talking about Serela being scummy.
The bolded bit in particular is very fishy wording. Wouldn't seem out of place for a scum saying 'I'll lynch you if it benefits me'. Serela's response is also weird.
It wouldn't seem out of place for scum trying to mislynch a townie. This is clearly not the case here.
Also note nothing about Serela being scummy; it's based on his personal desire to lynch Serela.
Except for everything else I've said about Serela this game
#106 also says the Schezo case isn't why Conq is voting Serela. So... uh... why is he voting Serela?
Read my posts. I didn't really care about his logic for the Schezo case being bad, this game has been chock full of bad logic. It was the way he approached it, and then the rest of the game - finding reasons votes and justifying his votes instead of finding scum.
Quote walls are pretty ugly, I haven't done one of these in a while.
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Forgot to address a few things
Serela Claims VT and then Conq says as scum he doesn't think Serela claims VT
True, this is my bad but I've done the exact same thing at least one other time where I was town and Serela was scum. It's part of why I wasn't fully convinced, along with the role logic I thought through later.
He still keeps voting for Serela however; despite thinking Serela's claim isn't from !ScumSerela.
I wasn't sure. And in that case, how would staying on Serela make me more likely to be scum?
As for the misrep, here's what I said
Honestly if he had just voted PX because he thought PX was scummier I would have been 100% fine with it but this reeks of overexplaining how he toootally agrees with the Serela case but he just wants to run up PX first. And he repeated it multiple times! No shame in being wrong but this just looks like he was trying to get away with hedging his bets.
Here's what I was referring to:
What's worse than jumping on someone to be jumped on as Schezo claims instead of jumping on someone for being 'scumtastic'?
Jumping on the case that is being made by someone being scumtastic. That's what.
By Schezo's own admission he was being 'scumtastic' and PX just jumps on it without even explaining. It's worse to jump on a case that's obviously scumtastic than to jump on someone being scumtastic in my books.
I think that's a stronger thing to chase up than Serela. Although I'll be honest, but this just be personal bias from the fact that Serela was defending me. I also just got home from work and I want read over it a few times and wait a little just to see how Serela responds to this development before I make a proper judgement on it.
Yeah re-reading I'll say I basically agree with the points on Serela but I don't want to hop on the wagon just yet and think we need to chase up PX as well here.
Rev up the wagon; but don't all jump on it quite yet.
As for the "reasons" you bolded, I addressed my feelings on them (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301910.html#msg1301910)yesterday and the fact that you haven't acknowledged any of the people saying that reasoning was flawed and keep pushing your logic as 100% correct makes me thing you're scum grasping at straws instead of wrong-headed town
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You also keep saying "Schezo started the Serela wagon" when if anyone really started the wagon I say it's BT or at least a split between the two. Just look at how the second and third Serela votes happened. You're not even reading the game.
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As for the "reasons" you bolded, I addressed my feelings on them (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20454.msg1301910.html#msg1301910)yesterday and the fact that you haven't acknowledged any of the people saying that reasoning was flawed and keep pushing your logic as 100% correct makes me thing you're scum grasping at straws instead of wrong-headed town
My options are:
Push you - I get accused of being scum grasping at straws
Do nothing - Get accused of being town who gave up
Try to start a lurker lynch - Which dosen't give anyone any material at all to work off on D3.
Anything else dosen't make any sense whatsoever. At least pushing you can give town more interactions and such to go off when I flip town.
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At least pushing on you can generate discussion [If anyone besides me and you post on the topic] which can be used by the surviving townies later to help decide who's scum.
Honestly pushing you is the most pro-town thing I can do in this position to at least have us discuss something else and make use of the time in D2. If we end up lynching someone who's not me and is actually scum; all the better.
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And the problem is you're not looking for scum then, but trying to preserve yourself.
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I don't mind being pushed, the problem is that the half the things you pushed aren't even issues, which is why I'm saying you're grasping at straws. Check out my responses - I await your followup.
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Did I ever deny that I was grasping at straws?
I don't have a response for your responses.
And the problem is you're not looking for scum then, but trying to preserve yourself.
I am looking for anything that looks scummy.
Thing is; I'm 80% sure that the scum is one of the three lurkers. And with three lurkers with little~no content; there's nothing to really use to pick between them.
So I'm forced to rely on the long shot scumhunt.
And I know I'm town. So stopping my own lynch is pro-town. Lynching me there is a 0% chance of hitting scum. Lynching anyone else there is a 1/7 chance; even before you narrow the field by taking the obvtownies out. By directing the lynch off of myself; a townie; I am inherently helping to hunt scum.
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Of course the caveat is that you guys don't know that I'm town. But I'm speaking from my PoV.
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OK; new plan to try and spark discussion since no-one seems willing to talk about anything else.
You guys seem convinced to lynch me today. Fine.
But who's your #2 and why? Who else besides me do you guys think could be scum.
I mean, we can at least use the time we have D2 to help with D3, right?
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##Vote Bardiche
I'm unovoting and there's nothing you can do about it.
(Post incoming, just wanted to get this in for now)
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I'm unovoting and there's nothing you can do about it.
(http://i.imgur.com/vRXPCAp.jpg) voting. :derp:
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I don't have a response for your responses.
If you don't have a response for my responses than how am I supposed if you're being genuine or just throwing stuff out to see what sticks?
I've been waiting for ~*the lurkers*~ to post. I need WindyKitsune's explanation of his logic to progress further there, I need Old Guy to talk more about how he sees the game to progress further there, and L just needs to say anything.
If I had to choose one of them in a crapshoot it'd be this guy for this:
Sorry all, finals season got a hold of me. I'll be back in some hours to post.
And then radio silence. 0 shame.
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I was busy today studying for an exam and tomorrow will be worse with work, but here's my input:
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This is really really bad and I don't care if I'm called on OMGUS for this.
Especially since, and I hate to bring this up of all things:
I was absent for a little, sorry! Serela was a filthy Maflord so killing him was a good idea. His role was Mafia boss.
24 hours to give me a name if you have a role, or are scum and want to effect a kill. No response means I randomise. Goes for town roles (if any) as well!
This seems oddly specific and seems to indicate that one of the lurkers is scum.
##Vote: The Old Guy
The tone here bugs me, why are you so reluctant to point out the possible modslip? Add to that, why do you care so much being called out for pointing out Old Guy's vote (a guy you think is scum) that you have to put the "I don't care if" disclaimer?
Also I'll just note that I fully expect to get lynched today regardless of what happens.
Which gives the mafia what they want but also probobly gives the cop his sanity at least because I'm 90% sure the cop copped me if he had any sense after Serela flipped town.
I'm just going to do my best to point out who's probobly the scum on my wagon as I go down. Then maybe people will listen once I flip Vanillia.
And then there's stuff like this. Is this a townpost? The last scum in a 2-scum setup wouldn't be thinking about the cycles to come, man.
Also to address points about me being potential scum who bussed Serela - I'll admit I mostly just sat on Serela all day and I wouldn't say I was one of the main people who drove the wagon, but as scum I hate lynching my buddies so you bet I would have pushed hard on other people while poking Serela (sorta like what I'm saying you did in this game). Check out my most recent scumgame where I pushed townies all game until my buddies imploded and I then had to push them because they were the only people being looked at.
I was with you until that last bit. Doesn't Serela's D1 fit the bill?
If you're scum just go ahead and lie down and die (and I won't let you get away like I let Bardiche get away with it when he tried to pull this).
Not related I just really hate you for reminding me that happened. :| :| :|
And I've not voted you yet because I was pressing for info on stuff and thinking it over.
I need to actually find a counter-case on someone which I actually think is stronger than the cases on me. Day phases are 72 hours. I got time to think.
Vey. No you don't, you need to scumhunt. If you're town and manage to survive today it's a sweet bonus. Only scum think they need to find a stronger case here.
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6. Dormio - Is it fair to call Dormio a lurker this game? Still; what little he's posted seems town at a glance.
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Pbbbfft. I love these townslips. Like, two options here. Either Raikaria's playing us (eh I give it a relatively low % chance) or he forgot who he nightkilled last night.
At least pushing on you can generate discussion [If anyone besides me and you post on the topic] which can be used by the surviving townies later to help decide who's scum.
Honestly pushing you is the most pro-town thing I can do in this position to at least have us discuss something else and make use of the time in D2. If we end up lynching someone who's not me and is actually scum; all the better.
You're very wrong..
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I'm not confident about this anymore.
##Vote Da Letter El
Guy has ultra-idled as scum before. There, you have meta now.
I think Raikaria's being his usual bone-headed self regardless of alignment and some of the things he's said (even outside of what I quoted) have given me pause. Granted, I came out of the quotewalls reassured Conq is probably town, so the answer's not there. It's probably just the lurkers, man.
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I was with you until that last bit. Doesn't Serela's D1 fit the bill?
At the end, yeah. I try not to get to the point where my scumbuddies as my only voting option though - the main difference in how I would have played this as scum is how I would have fished for more targets at the beginning of the day.
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I'm okay with a L vote. Would explain the Dormio kill. I'll be sad though because I'll no longer have 100% voting accuracy.
I'm actually fairly sure Raikaria has townslipped before as scum by talking about a nightkill like they were alive (or was that Serela?).
I'll admit I'm not too sure on Raikaria either now mainly because I don't get his gameplan here.
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I'll admit I'm not too sure on Raikaria either now mainly because I don't get his gameplan here.
Talk a bunch and effort his way out of being lynched.
Is what I had in mind for Scum!Rai but he's talking way too much about sacrificing himself for the greater good and I start to wonder "isn't this really silly for an act"? He also called Serela stupid multiple times which plain isn't very nice.
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Guy has ultra-idled as scum before. There, you have meta now.
Does he ultra idle so much he doesn't bother to vote? That's my main issue here.
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Does he ultra idle so much he doesn't bother to vote? That's my main issue here.
I mean, I haven't played too many NOC games with DLE, I just know this level of dgaf is acceptable for him, especially because he doesn't know you people and superlurk has worked for him in the past.
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Uh shit, NOC means No Outside Contact.
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Hmm.
##Vote Da Letter El
Well I have to go do stuff for a while now. I really would like it if Raikaria at least looked over my responses and reacted to them in some way instead of just saying "I can't respond." Well, at least read them and tell me what you think. I'm not asking for a refutation (because you can't :3) - if you're town I want to know what you're thinking and why you're thinking it and hopefully it's not "oops gotta make a case and hope it hits scum."
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It reads like this, "I'm holier than thou and don't have to denigrate myself with anything more than a bit of lazy play so calm down you townies." scum line
Oh, screw off.
I WAS NOT being "Holier than thou", being a townie is just a really god damn boring class, there was NOTHING i could do last day without getting accused of something by someone. Looks like that was a mistake.
And FYI my friends came over today, so that's why this post was late.
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Well I just checked his idle time and I'm having serious doubts now (almost 3 days?!). Technically you can issue NKs in the scumchat without checking the forums but... ohh, wait, the NK gets randomized if no target's given, isn't it? That would explain Dormio, but man, I thought he was idling on purpose, not this. :ohdear:
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Umm were you feeling oppressed yesterday? I'm not seeing it, but I don't think it was anyone's intention if you were.
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Like, short version is that we play games at a really high pace and you're kinda expected to participate, yeah. You can start doing that now. :3
While I go to bed.
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@the old guy
No worries, mafia is just taken Super Seriously here and since the days are short people do get impatient. Posting more is definitely a good thing though.
What do you think about the current state of the game?
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re:Raikaria calling Serela stupid.
I think this points more towards to mafia team if anything. Esp. getting day 1 lynched rip. Along with the copious amounts of Wifom that just pops up from him. The maf among us.
I'd lynch da letter el
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I was pointing out potential for being accused of OMGUS and such because I didn't want my argument just written off as such.
Also I wasn't calling Serela himself stupid. I was calling the actions stupid from a RaikariaxSerela perspective. Why would scum give away their buddy so early D1? And continue to act like it while being set for the noose? It makes no sense. As soon as Serela accepted he was getting lynched he was setting me up to be mislynched D2 by interactions. To give whoever his scumbuddy is a better shot.
As for why I was reluctant to bring up the potential modslip? Because it was a modslip. Bardiche isn't playing the game and it feels kinda bad to use that.
Hmm.
##Vote Da Letter El
Well I have to go do stuff for a while now. I really would like it if Raikaria at least looked over my responses and reacted to them in some way instead of just saying "I can't respond." Well, at least read them and tell me what you think. I'm not asking for a refutation (because you can't :3) - if you're town I want to know what you're thinking and why you're thinking it and hopefully it's not "oops gotta make a case and hope it hits scum."
Vey. No you don't, you need to scumhunt. If you're town and manage to survive today it's a sweet bonus. Only scum think they need to find a stronger case here.
Oh. Well I've been under the wrong impression. Although trying to make and push a stronger case is scumhunting; right? The scum is the strongest case you have?
From my PoV I'm the only one who's been trying to scumhunt this entire day phase. Because everyone else is trying to string me up and I'm a townie.
Reading this case actually made me mad.
Not my goal.
What you quoted was in reference to the PX case, I literally said
Clear and total bullshit. I need a new post to tackle this one.
That's a matter of perspective and how you read it I guess. I saw the main issue as me apparently not saying I thought PX was scummier; when I said as such.
Also bullshit, the only lynch I've shown interest for all game is Serela's wagon and a cursory glance tells you that I do have posts before the one you quoted talking about Serela being scummy.
My point was how long it took you to address the wagon after it started. You made multiple posts without so much as commenting on it while still sitting on it from RVS. Also pretty sure saying you'd vig someone is showing interest in their lynch or at least demise.
It wouldn't seem out of place for scum trying to mislynch a townie. This is clearly not the case here.Except for everything else I've said about Serela this game
Read my posts. I didn't really care about his logic for the Schezo case being bad, this game has been chock full of bad logic. It was the way he approached it, and then the rest of the game - finding reasons votes and justifying his votes instead of finding scum.
Quote walls are pretty ugly, I haven't done one of these in a while.
As for the misrep thing, I think it's scummy so I'd push it. If other people don't think it's scummy; fine. And when half the game hadn't responded to the matter I thought it was worth repeating.
Anyway... Not Me Over Me.
##Vote: DaLetterEl
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VOTECOUNT
Raikaria (2): Old Guy, Schezo
L (3): BT, Conqueror, Raikaria
Bardiche (∞): L, WindyKitsune, PX
Remember that one and a half day you used to have to decide on a lynch? Well, that has changed. One day remains.
With 8 votes in play, you need 5 to lynch.
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Wait we gained time? O_O
Anyways I'm not convinced that much on Raikaria townslipping but I wouldn't be opposed to lynching any of the disappeared people
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On the basis of getting it out there; yes; I have done that before on purpose as scum. I belive it was; ironically; Ace Attorney.
However this time it was just stupidity and me being a bit more occupied with me getting wagoned as a townie and attempting to figure out how to get scum lynched instead of me.
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So I'm going to sleep soon and when I wake up it's more or less straight to work for 9 hours + 1 hour travel time each way.
So won't be around for deadline.
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##Prod: DaLetterEl
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The only thing I really want is for the people who haven't been talking to talk right now.
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VOTECOUNT
Raikaria (2): Old Guy, Schezo
L (4): BT, Conqueror, Raikaria, PX
Bardiche (∞): L, WindyKitsune
I posted at 6 PM that you have one day left. The truth is, you actually didn't have that much time: you had 11 hours left. But I fucked up am a generous god and so the Day ends at 6 AM (HAHAHA) my time, which is about six hours from now! I'd really appreciate a lynch in the next hour or so because I'm not waking up to end the Day Phase. I may assign someone to end the Day for me.
Because it's not in the rules: when I end a Day Phase and there's no lynch reached, then I will lynch the Towniest person.
Be nice, kids.
With 8 votes in play, 5 are needed for a lynch. L is 1 vote away from going on a journey of discovery into the lives of those who are dead.
You have the power to make stuff happen.
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Well if we can't even no lynch then in the case Raikaria is town we are FUCKED, so lynching L is objectively the correct play.
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*in the case he is town and we lynch him
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Schezo or someone please hammer.
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Unvote: Raikaria
Vote: L
WAAAAAY too fucking suspicious. And i highly doubt it's due to laziness.
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And that's the hammer! Which means it's a great time to reveal that L was Town and you still callously murdered him.
You monsters.
But it's Night Phase, so you have 24 hours to reflect on your lack of empathy. Also a great time to tell me about anything you want to do during the night. But only if I told you you can in a PM.
Don't send me creepy PMs about what you do in bed at night. Please.
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
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4a. In the event of a hammer, Day Phase will end immediately. It is not allowed to post in the game thread after a hammer has fallen, unless you're the hammered and want to get out last words. Because you are dying, you cannot use more than 10 words as a final message.
Next infraction will be a modkill.
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Hello everyone, it's Day 3.
Some housekeeping:
I haven't seen L participate in the game. Because they've shown no participation in the game, and indeed, stretch beyond belief the idea of "lurking as a gambit", I have decided to use my modkill powers.
L was Town. I am extremely disappointed in their lack of commitment, or at least the common decency to let me know they'll have to sub out.
Additionally, WindyKitsune's failure to show up for an entire gameday and gamenight shows similar lack of commitment and decency to inform about their actions. Because this goes beyond "lurking as a gambit", I have decided to modkill them as well.
WindyKitsune was Mafia.
That brings the game to an unfortunate close. I had briefly considered subbing in Huh What, but there are three reasons I have decided not to do so:
1) I would have to sub out the scum player, who is the lesser lurker but still egregious in their behaviour. I don't think I should condone one over the other because of their alignment.
2) It wouldn't be fair to Town, as the two player slots both have wispy participation, such that placing HW in that slot would all at once put scum at a massive advantage.
3) Town correctly discerned Serela as Scum, and the other scum player did not play (to win). No nightkill was submitted. Town deserves the win.
For that reason, REVIVAL OF MAFIA has now ended in Town's victory.
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Note for the Cop: there was no Pure-hearted, and you were Naive to the point of scanning everyone as Town.
Misc note: originally, the scum team was L and WindyKitsune, but I swapped out L for Serela after deciding I didn't want to wind up with a scum team of two possible newcomers. It's kind of ironic.
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Mercykilling the game may have been for the best.
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Welp
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fuck.
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Oh goddammit.
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Bard, did you really just modkill someone the day after we lynched them? :V
Well, at least we got a mafia game going, almost. I'm pretty impressed it got off the ground actually.
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Yeah neato reads, neato game. Good game m8ys I didn't think we'd play this game again eheheheh
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Well then.
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Conq OP, pls nerf
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I wanna see Serela's monkeyhouse I mean graveyard, also scumchat.
Game was nice while it lasted. I feel optimistic about future games tbh.
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I was right about the scum being a lurker after all.
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You did well defending yourself on the last day given the circumstances!
Were there any other roles besides cop? Who was the cop?
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Bard, did you really just modkill someone the day after we lynched them? :V
Well, at least we got a mafia game going, almost. I'm pretty impressed it got off the ground actually.
Yes. :V Considering scum submitted no night kill there would not have been a satisfying way to resolve it without either condoning the behavior or outing the scum as lurking so hard they didn't NK.
I made a sliiight oversight with L, (for some reason thought Rai was lynched) but I would've still modkilled scum than let them get away with lurking.
Don't think it would be fair to wipe off WK's inactivity with a replacement, since you cannot blame a sub for their predecessor's actions.
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That game sucked, it ended just because the mod stepped in. Laaaaame.
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That game sucked, it ended just because the mod stepped in. Laaaaame.
Well, with your style of play, I'd say the game sucked moreso because you couldn't be arsed to play than scum failing to provide commitment.
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Bard thinking L was still alive was probably partially my fault because I thought L was alive for some reason and suggested modkilling him and subbing HW because it wouldn't make lylo earlier :V
I really can't blame him at all for what he did though, even I admitted subbing the scum in that late would be sorta bluhh, it's just that the only reasonable alternatives were subbing or mercykilling the game.
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Well, considering I've made a big part of mess in this game, I think there are some points to say:
- First, when I signed up I've taken in account that I had a week of time to spend with continuity on the game.
- Second, in my long period of absence I was missing because I was ill, well I'm still ill, but before I was *really ill* at point not to be able to write something at MotK.
- Third, "You could inform the mod instead of doing nothing". No, I couldn't; really, for 6 days.
Some of you are angry about how the game proceeded since some players had no activity inside the game; well, I'm angry because I had almost no activity in this game and didn't want that but could do nothing to solve this problem; if I had known about this before I just wouldn't have sign up. :(
Thank you Bardiche for hosting this match, I'm sorry the match couldn't find its natural ending but think early-ending the match was a reasonable solution.
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Well, with your style of play, I'd say the game sucked moreso because you couldn't be arsed to play than scum failing to provide commitment.
Really?
Well, i mean, okay, yeah, i did kind of suck at playing this game, but:
1. My friends were over on saturday, so i was busy.
2. The only versions of Werewolf/Mafia i had played were live-action/in-person games, not forum games, so i was kind of unfamiliar with this stuff.
3. I was a Townie, so that and the other 2 things caused me to be unsure about what to do.
4. Was it really my fault the game sucked? I said it sucked because it ended too early, not because the players were bad at the game or anything like that. Hell, everyone else seemed to have a fun time. I really don't see what you have to gain from pointing fingers at me.
@WindyKistune: Sorry to hear about your illness, i really wish it hadn't gone that way.
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Being new is fine, but your solution to being new, according to you, was to not do anything d1 because you might get accused... in a game about accusing people :/ And you also outright said it's because you were being lazy. You also complained it was really boring. Overall you were just sorta rude the whole time :/
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I really don't see what you have to gain from pointing fingers at me.
You made three posts on Day 1. An RVS vote, an explanation of your experience, and a request to explain "wtf" was going on. Your follow-up posts are about how bored you are and how lazy you are. Then your final post is to say that the game sucked and that it was lame the mod had to step in.
Frankly, it was rude to be going around complaining how "lame" the game was and how much it "sucked" considering you contributed to that directly with your playstyle. I felt that if you were going to make a jab at people by saying the game sucked and was lame, you should know you've not been a positive influence.
@WindyKitsune: Fair enough, normal excuse is "I felt too ill to post but could update my Twitter twenty-eight times per hour", but if you were so ill not to be able to write anything then I apologise for any harshness, that was uncalled for.
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Nevermind, its pretty goddamn clear that playing Mafia in the first place was a mistake.
Sorry i ever showed up.
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Guy guys it's cool.
They just didn't know what they were getting into with forum mafia.
Can't blame them, since the last game was a while ago.
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I couldnt believe i missed this