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Title: UK and E-Mouse (Season 1)
Post by: helvetica on October 07, 2009, 02:56:30 AM
This thread is for the lovely lady UK to resist the gentleman's charm of Sir E-Mouse.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 07, 2009, 03:00:50 AM
Hmmph. How dull. A mouse. Trying to seduce this Kitten. A kitten who's heart is already tangled in the chains of that of her master. Are you sure you don't want to just give up now? If you do, I might be able to get master to let me give you a decent one on one session...

And a session with me is worth far more than some stupid position.

It's that or getting eaten alive by a hungry kitty. Hope you have a vore fetish in that case. tsun~

Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 07, 2009, 03:27:05 AM
I think it's more "tzun," hon.

It's entirely possible to tug on chains, or sneak through them. I may be a wimp, but I'm not giving up this quickly - I mean, it wouldn't even be entertaining.

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(11:08:23 PM) E-Nazrin: @whatis #touhou-meido UK
(11:08:26 PM) Keine: E-Nazrin: "UK" is (#1) property of Serpentarius, or (#2) wanting to be played with, or (#3) into being tentacle raped, or (#4) into being helpless, or (#5) into egg laying, or (#6) into being confined in tight spaces, or (#7) into vore, or (#8) into being used publically, or (#9) into being put on display, or (#10) Rin Kaenbyou, or (#11) into being molested, or (#12) moe~, or (#13) a catgirl, or (#14) into being (1 more message)
(11:08:33 PM) E-Nazrin: @more
(11:08:36 PM) Keine: E-Nazrin: dressed as a maid, or (#15) Xan's girlfriend...as long as Serp says it's okay, or (#16) into bondage, or (#17) quite busty
(11:08:48 PM) E-Nazrin: Oh, so I got the intent wrong.
(11:08:51 PM) ***E-Nazrin ponders.
(11:09:01 PM) UncertainKitten: Ho ho
(11:09:24 PM) UncertainKitten: you took my advice
(11:09:24 PM) UncertainKitten: Of course, that list is a good hint
(11:09:24 PM) UncertainKitten: Of things I like
(11:10:02 PM) UncertainKitten: But, you have an offer on the table E-Mouse
(11:10:38 PM) E-Nazrin: I have hands and the internet. I can pass on a fetish-packed cybering session.
(11:10:52 PM) Greyn: here's a little UK advice Mouse - *Rectal Thermometer* - Use it well.
(11:11:02 PM) Kerigis: D=
(11:11:05 PM) UncertainKitten: haha, you think it's simply cybering?
(11:11:08 PM) PurvisHasLeftThisTimestream: *Dear Mus: Use the box cutter*
(11:11:09 PM) UncertainKitten: I'd let you dictate what I did IRL
(11:11:16 PM) E-Nazrin: Heh.
(11:11:23 PM) UncertainKitten: Well...if master said it was ok

Sorry, I'd at least like to think I'm a bit too much of a romantic to be very easily swayed by sexual offers. Especially without any physical contact involved. Likewise, I'd like to think I'm too nice for either of us to enjoy a real-life ordering session. Unless this would include you giving up all your submissiveness fetishes and tendencies, which ahahahaha no, you'd just regress anyway as the obvious loophole to that.

Also, apparently I'm not too bad with this "position" when I'm not being an idiot about it. :V

Now, where's Serp, anyway.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 07, 2009, 03:29:33 AM
Watching, and laughing.

Is this supposed to woo me? It sounds like you are the one trying to do the resisting.

Doesn't that mean I already won?

Either way, I gave you your out. It's time to put the cat paws on and tear your pathetic attempts to shreds!

Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 07, 2009, 03:33:25 AM
Yeah pretty much. Though you're not exactly helping with that apparent role reversal. I thought you were supposed to be the submissive type. Or did Serp ask for this?

And to be honest 'seduction' is kinda silly friendship-type stuff works better with less lollust mistakes and the like.

Man I'm taking this too seriously.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 07, 2009, 03:44:31 PM
Yeah pretty much. Though you're not exactly helping with that apparent role reversal. I thought you were supposed to be the submissive type. Or did Serp ask for this?

And to be honest 'seduction' is kinda silly friendship-type stuff works better with less lollust mistakes and the like.

Man I'm taking this too seriously.

My first move left the king completely open. You could have won there.

But, your riposte went the wrong way. Now, would you like to try actually seducing me or are we just going to spin around with our arms crossed and our backs to each other?

The North Wind usually fails against the Sun, yanno.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 07, 2009, 09:16:47 PM
I actually have no idea what you're talking about.

Also, riposte is a fun word, even if I can't spell it.

And man, I don't really do seduction anyway. For that matter I'm not sure how well it's supposed to work on tzundere. Maybe it would help if I was an alcoholic?

Also, Serp mentioned that you were 'hiding behind him.' SUSPECT.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 07, 2009, 09:21:10 PM
Fine, ya wanna switch?

Then allow me to teach you a girl's way of getting someone to love her.

Well...ok, more a sluts way.

I'll show you how the sun does things, since you are obviously a failure as a seducer.

Your next post better be agreement or refusal, in which case I'll crush you with rejection.

Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 07, 2009, 10:09:51 PM
/me pats UK on the head and calls her a good girl.

Memetic references aside, uh... I can probably guess, but go ahead if you really want to.

... hey now that I think of it, this contest is kinda silly, actually. Relationships are supposed to be mutual things, not forced, aren't they? Whole thing's a travesty against healthy relationships, honestly. Oh, those silly Western dating schemes.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 07, 2009, 10:17:22 PM
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* E-mouse pats UK on the head and calls her a good girl.

Memetic references aside, uh... I can probably guess, but go ahead if you really want to.

... hey now that I think of it, this contest is kinda silly, actually. Relationships are supposed to be mutual things, not forced, aren't they? Whole thing's a travesty against healthy relationships, honestly. Oh, those silly Western dating schemes.

Ok, we both want to win right? As it stands, me refusing and you attacking won't be comedic. You have no clue what you are doing. It will be far more comedic to see how UK tries to attract a guy.

The point of this game isn't actually to force a submission, it's to be hilarious as fuck.

So, in this case, it WOULD be funnier to see me, who is usually submissive, try to attract you as opposed to you trying and failing to break down my wall.

So, in the end it's your choice. Wanna switch or would you rather keep going like this?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 07, 2009, 10:52:48 PM
Please, let's.

Also: What the hell how is this one of the more entertaining ones apparently

Also also: oh god I'm too easily distracted

Also^3:
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Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 07, 2009, 10:54:08 PM
Ok then.

For now I'm limited in demonstrating my talents...

However...

I can assure you that I am quite able to fulfill any possible need you have...no matter what you want in a girl...I can be that girl...I'm very versatile...

So...perhaps for now we can try this...

What do you want in a girl?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 07, 2009, 11:01:33 PM
Okay, not only am I not going to make it THAT easy on you, but the result would be boring as hell and probably not the best route to take here.

To note, though, I fully understand that similarities are much better indicators of a healthy relationship, so you can work with that. Probably.

Also someone explain to me exactly how I'm coming off as tsundere here, I mean, I wouldn't put myself beyond it but I'm not sure where it's coming from offhand.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 07, 2009, 11:05:32 PM
Okay, not only am I not going to make it THAT easy on you, but the result would be boring as hell and probably not the best route to take here.

To note, though, I fully understand that similarities are much better indicators of a healthy relationship, so you can work with that. Probably.

Also someone explain to me exactly how I'm coming off as tsundere here, I mean, I wouldn't put myself beyond it but I'm not sure where it's coming from offhand.

You were supposed to be wooing me. Instead you were rejecting me. Being quite tsun tsun about it :P

And I knew it wouldn't be easy. I was merely trying to serve you better...

So then, if that's the case, what sort of things do you like?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 07, 2009, 11:20:50 PM
Serv... what? Yeah, that would be part of the problem, seeing as I don't like the whole "excessive submissive" thing, honestly. I prefer stronger girls, personality-wise. No shortage of those in Touhou...

I'm just... I don't know, being myself? Sort of? At least now I'm not trying to take this too seriously. I think. Hope? Dunno.

As for things I like, there are some that would be spoilers and others that would be obvious; we ARE on a Touhou forum, after all.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 07, 2009, 11:25:42 PM
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Serv... what? Yeah, that would be part of the problem, seeing as I don't like the whole "excessive submissive" thing, honestly. I prefer stronger girls, personality-wise. No shortage of those in Touhou...

Oh? And I thought you were a bit meeker than that. Ara ara, what a miscalculation.

You do know that submissive is NOT weak, right? I submit on MY whims, not on anyone elses :P

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I'm just... I don't know, being myself? Sort of? At least now I'm not trying to take this too seriously. I think. Hope? Dunno.

As for things I like, there are some that would be spoilers and others that would be obvious; we ARE on a Touhou forum, after all.

Ara ara, does the kitten have your tongue? And it's good you aren't taking it seriously. But at any rate, yeah, obviously Touhou is an interest in common. But what other interests might we have in common?

I'm willing to do whatever you desire. But I'm only willing to because I feel like it. You interest me, mouse...and I'm willing to put you in control of me for awhile if you so desire.

Allow me to put it more this way. Do you think Hellsing's Alucard is weak? Do you think Umineko's Ronove is weak? Do you think that Kuroshitsuji's Sebastian is weak? Just because one serves doesn't make them a doormat.

And that would be the first thing you need to learn about me and the nature of my interest in you, got it?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 07, 2009, 11:36:38 PM
Oh? And I thought you were a bit meeker than that. Ara ara, what a miscalculation.

You do know that submissive is NOT weak, right? I submit on MY whims, not on anyone elses :P

Good. Was worried about that. I have trouble getting into the highly-sub mindset in a lot of ways, it confuses me. Maybe I'm just too paranoid. Get worried about the bad end potentials... and authoritarian abuse, I guess. What am I talking about again? Damn WIS dump stat.

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I'm willing to do whatever you desire. But I'm only willing to because I feel like it. You interest me, mouse...and I'm willing to put you in control of me for awhile if you so desire.

And why do you trust me so much, so easily? That's part of what worries me. I guess we've talked for a while online, but still...

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Allow me to put it more this way. Do you think Hellsing's Alucard is weak? Do you think Umineko's Ronove is weak? Do you think that Kuroshitsuji's Sebastian is weak? Just because one serves doesn't make them a doormat.

And that would be the first thing you need to learn about me and the nature of my interest in you, got it?

I don't really know anything about those people.

Yes, I understand that 'servitude' can work out okay, even if it's a bigger risk of nastiness. It's just that part of that is keeping the severity under control, and the degree for your antics... kinda worry me. Of course, getting meta about you serving me vs. ensuring that you aren't being overly servitudal in general enters a double-guessing infinite loop and becomes pointless. owata.gif
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 08, 2009, 12:06:12 AM
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Good. Was worried about that. I have trouble getting into the highly-sub mindset in a lot of ways, it confuses me. Maybe I'm just too paranoid. Get worried about the bad end potentials... and authoritarian abuse, I guess. What am I talking about again? Damn WIS dump stat.

Well, of course you don't fully submit to someone you don't trust you dork. That's doin it wrong ^-^.

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And why do you trust me so much, so easily? That's part of what worries me. I guess we've talked for a while online, but still...

Maybe I'm still a little naive. Or maybe you seem trustworthy. Does the reason have to matter? I've deemed you worthy of taking me. And I trust my judgement.

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I don't really know anything about those people.

Yes, I understand that 'servitude' can work out okay, even if it's a bigger risk of nastiness. It's just that part of that is keeping the severity under control, and the degree for your antics... kinda worry me. Of course, getting meta about you serving me vs. ensuring that you aren't being overly servitudal in general enters a double-guessing infinite loop and becomes pointless. owata.gif

Don't you love the paradox of this kind of thing? And yet I resolve it flawlessly by doing exactly what my master wants. Whether I have to guess at it or not is part of the game. There are so many meta levels to play with it's intriguing.

Ok, how about Sakuya then? Is she weak? Yet she's the Elegant, Perfect Maid.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 08, 2009, 12:12:49 AM
Well, of course you don't fully submit to someone you don't trust you dork. That's doin it wrong ^-^.

Maybe I'm still a little naive. Or maybe you seem trustworthy. Does the reason have to matter? I've deemed you worthy of taking me. And I trust my judgement.

You don't have to believe everything you think... and there are a lot of self-promoting illusions that can really screw people over. Trust your judgment, eh?

This statement is only made more disquieting with the addition of a qualifier about this probably not being a problem with me.

Probably.

(p.s. more accurate to say 'listen' or 'reply to' since people can talk at you without much permission or anything but I'm just being a semantics nazi)

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Don't you love the paradox of this kind of thing? And yet I resolve it flawlessly by doing exactly what my master wants. Whether I have to guess at it or not is part of the game. There are so many meta levels to play with it's intriguing.

Meta is fun. But sometimes it just reaches levels of indecipherability that you might as well abandon it.

Unless you take a third option, then...

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Ok, how about Sakuya then? Is she weak? Yet she's the Elegant, Perfect Maid.

She's weak-willed and scares me because she does whatever Remilia wants without regard to much else. Doesn't help that she's so hostile and apparently willing to kill people. I have much the same problem with Sanae, but she's a little less violent. A little.

So no, bad example.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 08, 2009, 12:15:34 AM
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You don't have to believe everything you think... and there are a lot of self-promoting illusions that can really screw people over. Trust your judgment, eh?

So be it. If I can't trust myself how can I trust others ^-^

Well, how about I turn it around on you. Would you trust yourself with your well being?

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Meta is fun. But sometimes it just reaches levels of indecipherability that you might as well abandon it.

Unless you take a third option, then...

I advise you read Godel, Escher, Back: An Eternal Golden Braid

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She's weak-willed and scares me because she does whatever Remilia wants without regard to much else. Doesn't help that she's so hostile and apparently willing to kill people. I have much the same problem with Sanae, but she's a little less violent. A little.

So no, bad example.

Fine. I can't vouch for this example, but Saber from Fate/Stay night?

Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 08, 2009, 12:24:43 AM
So be it. If I can't trust myself how can I trust others ^-^

Well, how about I turn it around on you. Would you trust yourself with your well being?

I might if I've ever had any real experience doing it or felt I had any hope in doing so.

That reminds me, it's a pity this is a time-sensitive thingy since I'm supposed to be working on my thesis. Maybe I'll be able to bring myself to get some work done after all the normal people are asleep. And still only get like four hours of sleep argh.

I don't know how Gap does what he says he does but I'd love like hell to be able to do it without falling apart.

I can't tell if being hyper from excessive antidepressants is a good or bad thing. I'm actually sort of doing stuff now on occasion maybe but I'm acting like an egotistical idiot and I hate that. Blarg.

Wait this isn't relevant what

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I advise you read Godel, Escher, Back: An Eternal Golden Braid

to google

Oh hey, that sounds pretty neat. I'm waiting for some other (http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Yes-Negotiating-Agreement-Without/dp/0140157352) books (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140296344/ref=ox_ya_oh_product) right now though and often feel like there is no such thing as free time so I may or may not ever get around to it just like five thousand other things like anything on game systems past the PS2 generation and I can't even remember for sure what the other consoles there were FUCK

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Fine. I can't vouch for this example, but Saber from Fate/Stay night?

Nope, haven't played that either. Despite my feeling of lacking time, I never really do anything with it. Isn't it sad?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 08, 2009, 12:29:35 AM
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I might if I've ever had any real experience doing it or felt I had any hope in doing so.

that doesn't matter as much, actually. I'm willing to be patient and help you learn. Or even ignore it if you don't want to learn...I like you that much

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That reminds me, it's a pity this is a time-sensitive thingy since I'm supposed to be working on my thesis. Maybe I'll be able to bring myself to get some work done after all the normal people are asleep. And still only get like four hours of sleep argh.

Ara ara...actually, is there any way I can help you with that?

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I don't know how Gap does what he says he does but I'd love like hell to be able to do it without falling apart.

Well...all the more reason to take my offer...I'll support you...you can relax around me...I can help ^-^

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I can't tell if being hyper from excessive antidepressants is a good or bad thing. I'm actually sort of doing stuff now on occasion maybe but I'm acting like an egotistical idiot and I hate that. Blarg.

Probably not a good thing. You shouldn't abuse those :S

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Oh hey, that sounds pretty neat. I'm waiting for some other books right now though and often feel like there is no such thing as free time so I may or may not ever get around to it just like five thousand other things like anything on game systems past the PS2 generation and I can't even remember for sure what the other consoles there were FUCK

This got a bit rambly but it is REALLY neat.

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Nope, haven't played that either. Despite my feeling of lacking time, I never really do anything with it. Isn't it sad?

Nah, actually, just means you don't waste it on silly media. I can't come up with any other good examples you'd know. Guess you'll have to take my word for it that while I like being a tool I also like being the best tool there is and I shouldn't be taken lightly :P.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 08, 2009, 12:48:37 AM
that doesn't matter as much, actually. I'm willing to be patient and help you learn. Or even ignore it if you don't want to learn...I like you that much

Ara ara...actually, is there any way I can help you with that?

Well...all the more reason to take my offer...I'll support you...you can relax around me...I can help ^-^

Well that was fast.

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Probably not a good thing. You shouldn't abuse those :S

Indeed... Still, my current physiology has not exactly been kind to me. Or kind to my ability to be kind to me.

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This got a bit rambly but it is REALLY neat.

Yeah, I can get like that. In text, at least...

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Nah, actually, just means you don't waste it on silly media. I can't come up with any other good examples you'd know. Guess you'll have to take my word for it that while I like being a tool I also like being the best tool there is and I shouldn't be taken lightly :P.

The part I don't like is the lack of qualifiers near "best tool there is." How much are you looking out for yourself, then? Where's the line (well, gradient, realistically) between use and (unacceptable) abuse? I'm not worried about standing up to others in general, I'm worried about standing up to your 'master.'
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 08, 2009, 12:50:30 AM
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Well that was fast.

What was fast? (You do know that I'm trying to seduce now, right?)

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Indeed... Still, my current physiology has not exactly been kind to me. Or kind to my ability to be kind to me.
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What if be fair for me to ask why?

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The part I don't like is the lack of qualifiers near "best tool there is." How much are you looking out for yourself, then? Where's the line (well, gradient, realistically) between use and (unacceptable) abuse? I'm not worried about standing up to others in general, I'm worried about standing up to your 'master.'

I have my limits. And prospective master would be aware of those limits and know not to abuse them.

It's kinda weird, but the idea is if you are my master, I selected you because I knew you wouldn't abuse me.

Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 08, 2009, 01:11:58 AM
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What if be fair for me to ask why?

lolbipolar = sux.

More often it's the depressed part that's getting to me, but the past few days have shown the problems with the other side of it. But which is worse?

I have my limits. And prospective master would be aware of those limits and know not to abuse them.

It's kinda weird, but the idea is if you are my master, I selected you because I knew you wouldn't abuse me.

Okay, that works. Safe word and all that. Guess I have trouble accepting that amount of trust... or don't like the thought of 'use' that I'd normally consider abuse. Or unhealthy outside of the relationship? I don't know, something like that. Hm.

'course, considering this is just an online contest with minimal outside consequences and I don't think I'd enjoy subjecting you to much (especially that you haven't done already on your own, apparently), I'm not sure how much of that is just posturing. And whether it's true or not I'm not sure I'd like to take you up on it, especially in that fashion.

what am i doing again huh
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 08, 2009, 01:16:49 AM
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lolbipolar = sux.

More often it's the depressed part that's getting to me, but the past few days have shown the problems with the other side of it. But which is worse?

Yeesh...bipolar...

And manic is only a little dangerous. It can be harnessed for a great amount of...awesome I guess.

Depressive likewise, is only a little dangerous. You usually are too unmotivated to actually hurt yourself

It's the inbetween that makes bipolar deadly. Manic enough to do it, depressive enough to want to. Hurt yourself I mean.

As it happens...I've taken a few psych classes and know a few CBT things...maybe I can try to help you out a little that way?

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Okay, that works. Safe word and all that. Guess I have trouble accepting that amount of trust... or don't like the thought of 'use' that I'd normally consider abuse. Or unhealthy outside of the relationship? I don't know, something like that. Hm.

Well, we get a bit weird here. Just know that I am not afraid to say no, I just choose not to much of the time.

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'course, considering this is just an online contest with minimal outside consequences and I don't think I'd enjoy subjecting you to much (especially that you haven't done already on your own, apparently), I'm not sure how much of that is just posturing. And whether it's true or not I'm not sure I'd like to take you up on it, especially in that fashion.

Hmm? well, it's intriguing you keep bringing up it's a contest. And don't worry about "doing things I've already done". Repeat performances are always fun ^-^. And if you wouldn't like to take me up on some of my more extreme tastes...it's ok...I'll work at your pace...after all...isn't love understanding your partner and accepting they aren't perfect, yet loving them despite that? I think you'd be very fun to be with, Mus ^-^

Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 08, 2009, 01:44:03 AM
At any rate, we are getting a bit tied up in the submission/dominance aspect. Let's unworry about that for now. What I'd like to know is what anime you like, if any. I mean, it's as good a place to start as any ^-^.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 08, 2009, 02:06:01 AM
Books arrived. Yay.

Yeesh...bipolar...

And manic is only a little dangerous. It can be harnessed for a great amount of...awesome I guess.

Depressive likewise, is only a little dangerous. You usually are too unmotivated to actually hurt yourself

It's the inbetween that makes bipolar deadly. Manic enough to do it, depressive enough to want to. Hurt yourself I mean.

That's the most openly deadly part, yes, but the others hurt you as well. And not all harm is physical, humiliation fetishism should show that, right? You can seriously hurt yourself with mania or depression, just not the same way; I scraped my knees badly being manic about thinking I could ride a bike down a steep hill since I did it once months ago, and if I had a car odds are good I'd be several thousand in repayment debt or dead if that incident repeated itself. Middle ground is most dangerous for intentionally and overtly harming yourself, but mania can get you openly hurt just because you're being full of yourself.

And depression meaning not doing anything is only part of it; you ARE doing something, it just tends to be, uh, hating/feeling sorry for yourself rather than anything visible or productive. So you're just lazy. Or is that one of my excuses for laziness? I don't want to know, since it probably is! Or is that just the depression talking? Either way, being depressed can easily end with being cast away as useless by social/financial standards.

They're all dangerous, just in different ways. The worse part about bipolar is that it makes which part to deal with unpredictable; mania needs to be reigned in, but doing that would make depression worse, wouldn't it? And depending on what the person is supposed to be doing, or the personality they feel they're supposed to present at the time, how certain is it that the current mood isn't a front?

And this is without looking into the subconsciousness parts of it... I should really do that sometime.

..... yet, strangely... I remember doing several of the things I'm most proud of when both somewhat depressed and hyper... or at least, that I was proud of at the time, after less than perfectly glowing praise made me back away from them...

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As it happens...I've taken a few psych classes and know a few CBT things...maybe I can try to help you out a little that way?

I'm a psych major looking into a tolerate/positive-psychology-esque topic for my thesis. But maybe I forgot the basics. :V

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Well, we get a bit weird here. Just know that I am not afraid to say no, I just choose not to much of the time.

Works.

At any rate, we are getting a bit tied up in the submission/dominance aspect. Let's unworry about that for now. What I'd like to know is what anime you like, if any. I mean, it's as good a place to start as any ^-^.

Man I haven't really watched anime in years.

I'm actually pretty easy to please; some that come to mind are Azumanga, TTGL (as others here are more than aware of), Ranma 1/2, Slayers, and what I've seen of Yakitake!! Japan. Probably others I'd enjoy if I bothered with it, but I keep getting distracted with what 'I'd' do with the story and wandering off to ponder for no reason. Been reading manga more, recently...

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(9:57:56 PM) E mouse2000: I'm going to post that.
(9:58:41 PM) UltrosCMC: Heehee.
(9:59:09 PM) UltrosCMC: Let her know your boyfriends looks forward to seeing how it turns out :P
(9:59:12 PM) UltrosCMC: *boyfriend
(9:59:37 PM) E mouse2000: This is both wonderful and terrible.
(10:00:03 PM) UltrosCMC: *lick*  I'm off for a nap.  Enjoy your naughty talk.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 08, 2009, 02:11:58 AM
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That's the most openly deadly part, yes, but the others hurt you as well. And not all harm is physical, humiliation fetishism should show that, right? You can seriously hurt yourself with mania or depression, just not the same way; I scraped my knees badly being manic about thinking I could ride a bike down a steep hill since I did it once months ago, and if I had a car odds are good I'd be several thousand in repayment debt or dead if that incident repeated itself. Middle ground is most dangerous for intentionally and overtly harming yourself, but mania can get you openly hurt just because you're being full of yourself.

I was vaguely aware of this. I meant that they were less dangerous for a reason.

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And depression meaning not doing anything is only part of it; you ARE doing something, it just tends to be, uh, hating/feeling sorry for yourself rather than anything visible or productive. So you're just lazy. Or is that one of my excuses for laziness? I don't want to know, since it probably is! Or is that just the depression talking? Either way, being depressed can easily end with being cast away as useless by social/financial standards.

Again, less dangerous. Of course internalizing negative talk is rather bad.

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They're all dangerous, just in different ways. The worse part about bipolar is that it makes which part to deal with unpredictable; mania needs to be reigned in, but doing that would make depression worse, wouldn't it? And depending on what the person is supposed to be doing, or the personality they feel they're supposed to present at the time, how certain is it that the current mood isn't a front?

Yeah...do you take lithium or whatever?

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..... yet, strangely... I remember doing several of the things I'm most proud of when both somewhat depressed and hyper... or at least, that I was proud of at the time, after less than perfectly glowing praise made me back away from them...

Would it be bad if I asked for elaboration?

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I'm a psych major looking into a tolerate/positive-psychology-esque topic for my thesis. But maybe I forgot the basics

My specialty is actually gender and affirmation and the like, but I can splash

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I'm actually pretty easy to please; some that come to mind are Azumanga, TTGL (as others here are more than aware of), Ranma 1/2, Slayers, and what I've seen of Yakitake!! Japan. Probably others I'd enjoy if I bothered with it, but I keep getting distracted with what 'I'd' do with the story and wandering off to ponder for no reason. Been reading manga more, recently...

Ranma 1/2 is hilarious. I love Takahashi. TTGL of course is amazing. I'm even running a mafia game with that theme on another site. Azu Manga I NEED TO WATCH!

And yeah, readning manga is good.

As for your boyfriend, just let him know that I plan to so totally have you infatuated with me he forgets my name. You can be certain of this.

Well, what other things interest you?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 08, 2009, 02:37:26 AM
I was vaguely aware of this. I meant that they were less dangerous for a reason.

Again, less dangerous. Of course internalizing negative talk is rather bad.

Guess you have a point about the depression part. I guess a more valid point about that one is that it reinforces itself if left alone, where eventually you get a painful external reminder with mania whether it seeks you out or not. Still, death isn't the only (and yes I dare say it, not necessarily the worst) thing to worry about. Like murder, for example. Hm, depression is probably the least dangerous to others, but it can make you a real drain on the world in general.

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Yeah...do you take lithium or whatever?

Lamictal and a very small dose of antidepressants, like my mother. The antidepressant part is somewhat flexible, in case of persistent mood problems. I usually only take like 5mg but that's half of a 10 capsule so yeah. Or something.

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Would it be bad if I asked for elaboration?

About mixed-mood stuff I'm proud of? Well... creative pursuits, mostly. Like the climax of my 150-page fanficti... wait, damnit, where's the link for it again? Hell. THERE (http://www.rpi.edu/~saundj/ADVGaiden.htm) it is. And several highlights from Waking up from the Dream, which I am somewhat ashamed of getting involved in at first but I think I'm doing a good job with writing there, at least. Though the main highlights there, again, tend to reflect the mixed condition.

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My specialty is actually gender and affirmation and the like, but I can splash

Mmm, my specialty is... I'm not sure what my specialty is, I haven't really looked at one. Probably closer to social/evolutionary psychology, that's part of what interested me in positive psychology. Morals making sense is a BEAUTIFUL thing. But to work towards that you need to work out some kinks in traditional human psychology that continue to get in the way...

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As for your boyfriend, just let him know that I plan to so totally have you infatuated with me he forgets my name. You can be certain of this.

I think you meant more like "I forget his name" by that word scramble, in which case no, that's probably not happening. I've met him in person, for one. :<

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Well, what other things interest you?

I tend to have a narrow band of interests, but the contents shift regularly. Some sort of MMO is usually on the list, and always SOME sort of chat/forum since that's my primary social network. Regular visitors are random video games, often RPGs, either freeware or pirated <N64 <DS ROMs. Manga get read randomly as distractions while I'm pretending to do other things (what happened to my laserlike focus...?), though I rarely actually get any new ones. Been borrowing stuff from a local friend on occasion, though.

And you?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 08, 2009, 02:43:23 AM
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Guess you have a point about the depression part. I guess a more valid point about that one is that it reinforces itself if left alone, where eventually you get a painful external reminder with mania whether it seeks you out or not. Still, death isn't the only (and yes I dare say it, not necessarily the worst) thing to worry about. Like murder, for example. Hm, depression is probably the least dangerous to others, but it can make you a real drain on the world in general.

YEah...really. And I agree death isn't the worst thing you can hope for. Just not very good

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Lamictal and a very small dose of antidepressants, like my mother. The antidepressant part is somewhat flexible, in case of persistent mood problems. I usually only take like 5mg but that's half of a 10 capsule so yeah. Or something.

Do they help?

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About mixed-mood stuff I'm proud of? Well... creative pursuits, mostly. Like the climax of my 150-page fanficti... wait, damnit, where's the link for it again? Hell. THERE it is. And several highlights from Waking up from the Dream, which I am somewhat ashamed of getting involved in at first but I think I'm doing a good job with writing there, at least. Though the main highlights there, again, tend to reflect the mixed condition.

that sounds like something to be proud of. I suck at writing...

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Mmm, my specialty is... I'm not sure what my specialty is, I haven't really looked at one. Probably closer to social/evolutionary psychology, that's part of what interested me in positive psychology. Morals making sense is a BEAUTIFUL thing. But to work towards that you need to work out some kinks in traditional human psychology that continue to get in the way...

Regardless of how this goes I'd love to discuss psychology with you.

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I think you meant more like "I forget his name" by that word scramble, in which case no, that's probably not happening. I've met him in person, for one. :<

I did. I have no idea how I got what I did out of that. Ah well. And you never know...I can be...very persuasive

Heh, and I thought I was the only person who said narrow band of interests when describing their tastes. I guess we do have a bit in common. I've been avoiding MMOs since I tend to obsess. And yeah, chatting/forumness is how I talk to people. Kinna pathetic. Random video games take up a lot of my time as well. We've already discussed manga, but do you have an specific titles you like?

Ok...reading that list...you sound JUST like me. All you have to do is add an obsession with music and we're freaking twins in interest.

That's...kinda cool.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 08, 2009, 02:58:10 AM
Do they help?

I've been on them so long, I don't have much to compare with.

But compared to the worst examples of my mania I can recall from, like, elementary school, I've been better. And I feel funny and spaced out if I forget to take them for the day, but I'm not sure what effect that really has.

Of course, going off your meds because you 'feel better' is a terribly stupid thing to do and I'm not about to think I'm an exception to that. Though some experimenting with things might be possible, if implausible.

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that sounds like something to be proud of. I suck at writing...

If you have any sort of work ethic whatsoever, you're probably better off than me in the bigger scope.

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Regardless of how this goes I'd love to discuss psychology with you.

Yeah, it's nice to talk about stuff you're interested in. Granted, I'm probably assuming too many things and being overly accepting of what I hear, but...

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I did. I have no idea how I got what I did out of that. Ah well. And you never know...I can be...very persuasive

What, you've done it before? Still, I don't think I'd be about to forget him over something like this. And goodness, what would Ruro say?

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Heh, and I thought I was the only person who said narrow band of interests when describing their tastes. I guess we do have a bit in common. I've been avoiding MMOs since I tend to obsess. And yeah, chatting/forumness is how I talk to people. Kinna pathetic. Random video games take up a lot of my time as well. We've already discussed manga, but do you have an specific titles you like?

I've been liking Karin/Chibi Vampire, but the last volume isn't out yet and I just read up to the before-last one asdfxgah VIOLENCE. Law of Ueki was GREAT before it turned into a Celestial generic-superpower cockfight. At least the later segments still had some great highlights. Uh... past that I've really forgotten what I've read, because it's been a while or (insert other excuse here). She's loaned me a handful of Azumanga-a-likes with older character age groups and some overt lesbianism, but nothing too special to write home about there.

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Ok...reading that list...you sound JUST like me. All you have to do is add an obsession with music and we're freaking twins in interest.

That's...kinda cool.

Between this and Edible's Mafia comment (what's that? discussion not having an effect on the game? Poppycock!) I'm starting to wonder if you're just pandering to me. And that specialty sounded an awful lot like just saying "TSOPAC."

So a thought comes to mind. Red text.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 08, 2009, 03:06:33 AM
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Of course, going off your meds because you 'feel better' is a terribly stupid thing to do and I'm not about to think I'm an exception to that. Though some experimenting with things might be possible, if implausible.

I'm quite aware of this. I've been medicated with a lot of things throughout my life. As long as you withdraw properly when changing drugs it's not as bad though

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If you have any sort of work ethic whatsoever, you're probably better off than me in the bigger scope.

About that work ethic thing...it seems to only kick in when I'm trying to please someone ^-^. Course, I'm sure you could get me to do a lot of things for you, Mouse ^-^

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Yeah, it's nice to talk about stuff you're interested in. Granted, I'm probably assuming too many things and being overly accepting of what I hear, but...

Listen to everything and believe none of it unless it makes sense. Or something like that

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What, you've done it before? Still, I don't think I'd be about to forget him over something like this. And goodness, what would Ruro say?

That's different.

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I've been liking Karin/Chibi Vampire, but the last volume isn't out yet and I just read up to the before-last one asdfxgah VIOLENCE. Law of Ueki was GREAT before it turned into a Celestial generic-superpower cockfight. At least the later segments still had some great highlights. Uh... past that I've really forgotten what I've read, because it's been a while or (insert other excuse here). She's loaned me a handful of Azumanga-a-likes with older character age groups and some overt lesbianism, but nothing too special to write home about there.

I've heard good things about Chibi, as well as Law of Ueki. I'm curious about the Azumanga-a likes.

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Between this and Edible's Mafia comment (what's that? discussion not having an effect on the game? Poppycock!) I'm starting to wonder if you're just pandering to me. And that specialty sounded an awful lot like just saying "TSOPAC."

What specialty? As for the mafia comment it's due to the way I'm quoting. I'm...

ACtually slightly hurt that you think I'm just pandering to you...I don't play like that. I'm an honest person who plays within her parameters.

Would you like it in red?

Fine...though that's even more insulting

I describe myself as having a narrow band of interests
I tend to avoid MMOs but have been known to be addicted to them
I play a lot of video games, especially from the RPG genre
I don't have much of a real life social life
Most of my social interaction is online through forums and chats
I love reading manga
I love watching anime
I am obsessed with music
Your "narrow band of interests" is quite similar to mine

Are you happy now? I hope you know I wouldn't have done that for just anyone...I was actually beginning to kinda sorta like you.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 08, 2009, 03:24:40 AM
I'm quite aware of this. I've been medicated with a lot of things throughout my life. As long as you withdraw properly when changing drugs it's not as bad though

(token withdraw properly joke)

I don't change drugs often, is the matter, but yes, this would be done if I played with the setup. But at this point it's at least as much my own mentality being stubborn about it. I think.

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About that work ethic thing...it seems to only kick in when I'm trying to please someone ^-^. Course, I'm sure you could get me to do a lot of things for you, Mouse ^-^

Well... to be fair, I did pull several all-nighters for Dream for... no discernible reason. My priorities are just all wrong and inflexible. Nyoro~n.

My only real request would be living in NEEThood and that's not really an option for this :{

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Listen to everything and believe none of it unless it makes sense. Or something like that

Confirmation bias. QED. =(

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What, you've done it before? Still, I don't think I'd be about to forget him over something like this. And goodness, what would Ruro say?
That's different.

Go on.

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I've heard good things about Chibi, as well as Law of Ueki. I'm curious about the Azumanga-a likes.

I sent back at least one of them already, but... the one I still have handy is called "Ichirou," by some Mikage person. Very overt drill-hair lesbian in that, fairly typical scholastic-ronin setup, but amusing enough. And some otaku pandering, skimming back through it. S'good.

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What specialty?
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My specialty is actually gender and affirmation and the like, but I can splash

???

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As for the mafia comment it's due to the way I'm quoting. I'm...

ACtually slightly hurt that you think I'm just pandering to you...I don't play like that. I'm an honest person who plays within her parameters.

Would you like it in red?

Fine...though that's even more insulting

I describe myself as having a narrow band of interests
I tend to avoid MMOs but have been known to be addicted to them
I play a lot of video games, especially from the RPG genre
I don't have much of a real life social life
Most of my social interaction is online through forums and chats
I love reading manga
I love watching anime
I am obsessed with music
Your "narrow band of interests" is quite similar to mine

Are you happy now? I hope you know I wouldn't have done that for just anyone...I was actually beginning to kinda sorta like you.

You've done that in IRC a bunch of times... sorry to be harsh, but considering the circumstances, it's at least understandable, right?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 08, 2009, 03:27:24 AM
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Go on.

Oh, merely I didn't do it to serp. He seduced me

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I sent back at least one of them already, but... the one I still have handy is called "Ichirou," by some Mikage person. Very overt drill-hair lesbian in that, fairly typical scholastic-ronin setup, but amusing enough. And some otaku pandering, skimming back through it. S'good.

I get the impression you like lesbians :P

Umu...no, it's actually well documented I plan to focus on transgender issues when I have my degrees in order. It's also pretty obvious by the way I talk about gender

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You've done that in IRC a bunch of times... sorry to be harsh, but considering the circumstances, it's at least understandable, right?

I've done it IRC for fun. I haven't had my VERY FUCKING HONESTY challenged. The fact I'm not dropping you like a fucking rock right now speaks rather well for how much you've taken me in.

I'd advise not challenging my honesty in the future. A pissed off UK can be a VERY determined one.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 08, 2009, 03:29:11 AM
I must retire now...but my...increasing desire for you is not likely to fade. You get rested up as well so you'll be ready for another day of resisting. Things will get "real".

Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 08, 2009, 03:34:53 AM
Oh, merely I didn't do it to serp. He seduced me

Well, I meant more it was unclear what you meant by "that's different." Ruro and such?

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I get the impression you like lesbians :P

I guess? :S It's the main difference I could think of from Azudai, considering they're both still the "girl-packed scholastic comedy" archetype.

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Umu...no, it's actually well documented I plan to focus on transgender issues when I have my degrees in order. It's also pretty obvious by the way I talk about gender

I guess I haven't been paying attention to that part, then. :x Sorry.

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I've done it IRC for fun. I haven't had my VERY FUCKING HONESTY challenged. The fact I'm not dropping you like a fucking rock right now speaks rather well for how much you've taken me in.

I'd advise not challenging my honesty in the future. A pissed off UK can be a VERY determined one.

I suppose I owe you an apology, considering the main cause of that is my interpretation of Mafia as "everyone lies about everything." And to be fair, challenges to that when you were playing were more about avoiding the question than anything.

EDIT: 'night. Sweet dreams and all that.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 08, 2009, 03:00:47 PM
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Well, I meant more it was unclear what you meant by "that's different." Ruro and such?

I thought the implication was that I made Serp forget Ruro. Hardly the case.

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I guess? :S It's the main difference I could think of from Azudai, considering they're both still the "girl-packed scholastic comedy" archetype.

Then I misfired my guess. It's just you brought it up a lot as a key word.

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I guess I haven't been paying attention to that part, then. :x Sorry.

s'ok. I don't think I outright say it often.

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I suppose I owe you an apology, considering the main cause of that is my interpretation of Mafia as "everyone lies about everything." And to be fair, challenges to that when you were playing were more about avoiding the question than anything.

Again, the mafia comparison was mostly because of the way I'm quoting you is similar to how I do it in mafia. I also try not to lie too much in mafia. Makes it harder to keep track of things :P. But I digress. As for avoiding the question that was part of the game. The idea was to try to make your inquisitor satisfied with a half answer or not the complete truth. And "lying by omission" would be one of the lapses in truthfulness I engage in. But I try my hardest to not outright say a direct lie. It's not nice :P.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 08, 2009, 09:29:39 PM
I thought the implication was that I made Serp forget Ruro. Hardly the case.

Oh. I didn't even know about that. Haremm@ster indeed... no, it was more a rhetorical question taking things too literally. :V

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Then I misfired my guess. It's just you brought it up a lot as a key word.

Yeah, I don't know either ???

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s'ok. I don't think I outright say it often.

Yeah, true enough. Maybe we discussed psych in IRC once or twice, but I don't recall the details... well, it's cleared up here a bit.

Since I haven't heard so much about it, maybe you'd like to outline some of the details there?

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Again, the mafia comparison was mostly because of the way I'm quoting you is similar to how I do it in mafia. I also try not to lie too much in mafia. Makes it harder to keep track of things :P. But I digress. As for avoiding the question that was part of the game. The idea was to try to make your inquisitor satisfied with a half answer or not the complete truth. And "lying by omission" would be one of the lapses in truthfulness I engage in. But I try my hardest to not outright say a direct lie. It's not nice :P.

Heh... I try to do that, too. This is getting a little creepy. :V
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 08, 2009, 09:31:38 PM
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Oh. I didn't even know about that. Haremm@ster indeed... no, it was more a rhetorical question taking things too literally

I see ^-^

And you knew Serpy was my master

As for the Ruro thing, I actually don't know what their relation is :P

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Yeah, true enough. Maybe we discussed psych in IRC once or twice, but I don't recall the details... well, it's cleared up here a bit.

Since I haven't heard so much about it, maybe you'd like to outline some of the details there?

Sure, what'd you like to know?

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Heh... I try to do that, too. This is getting a little creepy.

Oh really? That is mildly creepy.

Maybe we really should consider each other ^-^...

As I said, I'm VERY versatile ^-^.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 08, 2009, 10:40:09 PM
I see ^-^

And you knew Serpy was my master

Discovered, rather, but same diff, pretty much.

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As for the Ruro thing, I actually don't know what their relation is :P

Well that just left things even more confusing ??? Oh well.

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Sure, what'd you like to know?

Man, I don't even know. Start me off with the basics. What are major signs of gender identity, and what are they based on?

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Oh really? That is mildly creepy.

Maybe we really should consider each other ^-^...

As I said, I'm VERY versatile ^-^.

So I see. :V
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 08, 2009, 10:52:10 PM
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Discovered, rather, but same diff, pretty much.

Nah, I pretty much told you. @whatis #touhou-meido UK was a pretty solid hint.

As for confusing...well...you know...I mean, it's not like I get into what other affairs master has. I'm just a toy...if he has other affections it's fine...as long as I can serve him.

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Man, I don't even know. Start me off with the basics. What are major signs of gender identity, and what are they based on?

Eh, that's not really an easy question. Gender identity is basically "Am I a guy or a girl, or something inbetween?". I mean, there's no real "signs" of it, you just...know. As for determining others gender identities, I admit most of my studies have been general psych, not focused yet. Most of my focused research was done independently, so yeah.

So I see? That's a mild reply to an offer like that ^-^. Well, suppose you did accept me...what would we talk about then? And what would we do? It's a harmless hypothetical.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 08, 2009, 11:23:29 PM
Sorry for the delay. Ran up for a quick dinner.

Nah, I pretty much told you. @whatis #touhou-meido UK was a pretty solid hint.

As for confusing...well...you know...I mean, it's not like I get into what other affairs master has. I'm just a toy...if he has other affections it's fine...as long as I can serve him.

The way sexual jealousy and/or monogamy follows almost entirely from genetic selfishness is kinda hilarious and sad. I at least try to have the same openness, though for more... I don't know, applied practical reasons? Not sure how to word that.

Now, STDs are a more valid objection, but possible to deal with if you keep it in mind. I REALLY should get tested, even though my exposure is incredibly minimal.

And whoever ate that monkey brain earned what he got. The real shame is how it managed to get to other people...

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Eh, that's not really an easy question. Gender identity is basically "Am I a guy or a girl, or something inbetween?". I mean, there's no real "signs" of it, you just...know. As for determining others gender identities, I admit most of my studies have been general psych, not focused yet. Most of my focused research was done independently, so yeah.

Somewhat similar here, though I did take evolutionary/social psychology courses. Applying those in especially positive ways is more of my own pursuit, and hopefully a successful focus for my thesis.

Going back to the original point, though, would you care to expand on the "in between?" I've heard a little about it from a more biological view and found it kinda interesting how much evidence there is of gender not being strictly binary (even if it usually is), but I didn't catch many details.

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So I see? That's a mild reply to an offer like that ^-^. Well, suppose you did accept me...what would we talk about then? And what would we do? It's a harmless hypothetical.

What we're doing right now, perhaps? :V
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 08, 2009, 11:37:17 PM
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The way sexual jealousy and/or monogamy follows almost entirely from genetic selfishness is kinda hilarious and sad. I at least try to have the same openness, though for more... I don't know, applied practical reasons? Not sure how to word that.

To be fair, part of the reason Serpy is my master is that he wouldn't use me unless I was his alone. Of course, he still lets me play with cybering, and with his permission I can be played with IRL, whether hybrid or completely.  But I think his motivations are different. As for openness...you just have to be careful what you are open to.

Haha, and you cover that argument RIGHT after I think about it :P

I swear, I really could love you :P


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Somewhat similar here, though I did take evolutionary/social psychology courses. Applying those in especially positive ways is more of my own pursuit, and hopefully a successful focus for my thesis.

That explains your "Genetic jealousy" argument.

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Going back to the original point, though, would you care to expand on the "in between?" I've heard a little about it from a more biological view and found it kinda interesting how much evidence there is of gender not being strictly binary (even if it usually is), but I didn't catch many details.

In between is just that. Someone can feel they are both, or neither, or some mix of the binary, among other things.

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What we're doing right now, perhaps?

Well, if you'd like to use me for conversation, that's perfectly fine as well. I love to talk.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 12:12:06 AM
To be fair, part of the reason Serpy is my master is that he wouldn't use me unless I was his alone. Of course, he still lets me play with cybering, and with his permission I can be played with IRL, whether hybrid or completely.

Ho? And yet Xan seemed to... heh, wow. I see. The 'permission' part is actually important in any sort of open relationship, whether it's 'use'-based or otherwise; open discussion and agreement on who enters the 'network' is an important part of limiting that jealousy. I made sure to tell my boyfriend about Ruro's antics once things started seeming actually flirty, even though he's barely interested in Touhou. Now that she has AIM, I gave them contact info on there, and... hang on.

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(7:56:48 PM) E mouse2000: Inquiry.
(7:56:53 PM) E mouse2000: Are you flirting with Ruro :P
(7:57:40 PM) UltrosCMC: A liiiiiitle :P
(7:57:42 PM) UltrosCMC: [20:10] UltrosCMC: So, mousey mentioned you want me :P
[20:10] Rurorange: >_>
[20:11] Rurorange: <_<
[20:11] UltrosCMC: *kisses your cheek*
[20:12] Rurorange: Aaaaaaaaah I'm helping you cheat on Mousey D:
[20:12] Rurorange: .... :D
[20:13] UltrosCMC: It's not cheating if he's okay with it.
[20:19] UltrosCMC: So, how's it going?
[20:23] Rurorange: Busy. In fact, I think I have to leave this computer so I can do more homeworks :<
[20:24] UltrosCMC: Aww.  *hug*
[20:24] UltrosCMC: What homeworks?
[20:26] Rurorange: Geography atm.
[20:27] Rurorange: Then, more geography.
[20:27] Rurorange: And to round it off, geography.
[20:27] Rurorange: :|
[20:27] UltrosCMC: Heh.  If there's any math stuff, let me know.  I might be able to help with that if needed.
[20:29] Rurorange: I'll keep that in mind :D~
[20:29] Rurorange: Well, in any case, time to go. Bite Mousey on the ear for me~
[20:29] UltrosCMC: Kay~
(7:57:46 PM) UltrosCMC: There's the last time we talked.
(7:58:02 PM) E mouse2000: Thought so~

So yeah. There's been more than that, in all honesty, but a good example.

Though I'm curious what you mean by 'hybrid' there. Playing with both Serp and someone else?

(p.s. Sorry, if Ruro didn't want that convo shared. :{)

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But I think his motivations are different. As for openness...you just have to be careful what you are open to.

Care to elaborate on the 'what you're open to' part? Is this more about the what you're willing to do submissively or have I missed something?

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Haha, and you cover that argument RIGHT after I think about it :P

It's amusing how many things make perfect sense from a purely practical standpoint if you just try to find the proper explanation. Even morals, for chrissakes.

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That explains your "Genetic jealousy" argument.

Yeah, that class was great fodder for strictly-practical framing. Great experience.

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In between is just that. Someone can feel they are both, or neither, or some mix of the binary, among other things.

Fun. Do they tend to act differently based on this? That's more what I was wondering about based on gender identity, particularly for the non-standard positions.

furthermore: SAOTOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Well, if you'd like to use me for conversation, that's perfectly fine as well. I love to talk.

Well, if you're going to insist on framing it as 'use' then okay...
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 12:17:49 AM
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Ho? And yet Xan seemed to... heh, wow. I see. The 'permission' part is actually important in any sort of open relationship, whether it's 'use'-based or otherwise; open discussion and agreement on who enters the 'network' is an important part of limiting that jealousy. I made sure to tell my boyfriend about Ruro's antics once things started seeming actually flirty, even though he's barely interested in Touhou. Now that she has AIM, I gave them contact info on there, and... hang on.

Oh, you actually do have a boyfriend? That's pretty cool ^-^. And you begin to get it. Permission dynamics exist in any relationship. BDSM relationships magnify them. I actually have a heiarchy for how I follow orders and what information I can reveal. Even Master isn't at the highest level.

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Though I'm curious what you mean by 'hybrid' there. Playing with both Serp and someone else?

Hybrid like me taking orders to be executed in real life from someone online.

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Care to elaborate on the 'what you're open to' part? Is this more about the what you're willing to do submissively or have I missed something?

Open to STDs and the like.

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Fun. Do they tend to act differently based on this? That's more what I was wondering about based on gender identity, particularly for the non-standard positions.

I guess they mix gender roles a bit more than the "normal" person (oh how I detest that word). I mean, the idea is if they act like themselves, they kinda transcend gender a bit. At least in my view.

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Well, if you're going to insist on framing it as 'use' then okay...

Sorry, it's a bad habit...what verbage would you prefer from me ^-^?

Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 12:40:47 AM
Oh, you actually do have a boyfriend? That's pretty cool ^-^. And you begin to get it. Permission dynamics exist in any relationship. BDSM relationships magnify them. I actually have a heiarchy for how I follow orders and what information I can reveal. Even Master isn't at the highest level.

I'm assuming/hoping you're actually on the top of that, though your chief master gets very close authority? I'm still wary of the whole setup, but I think I'm starting to understand... thanks for that.

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Hybrid like me taking orders to be executed in real life from someone online.

Ahhh, I see. I'm tempted to ask you to pat yourself on the head and call yourself a good girl, just because it sprang to mind for some reason. Must be a stock response by now.

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Open to STDs and the like.

Mmm, yeah. The primary real danger... real pain in the ass, that. And since everyone basically assumes there's no way they'd personally get one, well... yeah.

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I guess they mix gender roles a bit more than the "normal" person (oh how I detest that word). I mean, the idea is if they act like themselves, they kinda transcend gender a bit. At least in my view.

(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7421/houseeh.jpg)

Transcend gender, eh... that actually sounds like a good thing. Wonder if I should try. I mean - I identify as a guy, but I'm not very proud of that. Identify rather strongly, actually... just not as a 'typical' guy. Male, but not hyper-masculine. Screw football :V

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Sorry, it's a bad habit...what verbage would you prefer from me ^-^?

I'm... not sure, but something more independent... no, something that doesn't sound unconditionally submissive. I can be kinda bad about that myself, but I have my conditions.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 01:07:34 AM
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I'm assuming/hoping you're actually on the top of that, though your chief master gets very close authority? I'm still wary of the whole setup, but I think I'm starting to understand... thanks for that.

Nope. Confidentiality is the level 0 of my heiarchy, which master at level 1.

Actually, my own will is outside the heiarchy if anything. I can intervene on any level but choose not to as much as possible. So it's simultaniously on the top and bottom.

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Ahhh, I see. I'm tempted to ask you to pat yourself on the head and call yourself a good girl, just because it sprang to mind for some reason. Must be a stock response by now.

Well, would you like me to? I'd have to ask master's permission, but...I'd be willing to ^-^

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Mmm, yeah. The primary real danger... real pain in the ass, that. And since everyone basically assumes there's no way they'd personally get one, well... yeah.

I'm actually quite limited in my experience and am actually technically a virgin. But I am cognizant of the risks of how I like to play. So I'd shield myself

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Transcend gender, eh... that actually sounds like a good thing. Wonder if I should try. I mean - I identify as a guy, but I'm not very proud of that. Identify rather strongly, actually... just not as a 'typical' guy. Male, but not hyper-masculine. Screw football

Heehee, I identify strongly as a girl, but that doesn't stop me from doing a few "manly" things. I just care about being myself.

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I'm... not sure, but something more independent... no, something that doesn't sound unconditionally submissive. I can be kinda bad about that myself, but I have my conditions.

Hummm...that's hard, because while I'm not unconditionally submissive I like projecting that look so to speak. Umu...but I don't know any other good words...I mean, I probably do but I'm not sure which ones to use really...

Umu...how about...you'd like the service of conversation from me?

Eh...that's still a little meh though.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 01:22:48 AM
Nope. Confidentiality is the level 0 of my heiarchy, which master at level 1.

Actually, my own will is outside the heiarchy if anything. I can intervene on any level but choose not to as much as possible. So it's simultaniously on the top and bottom.

That's... rather interesting, actually. And a good way around that worry. This is a learning experience!

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Well, would you like me to? I'd have to ask master's permission, but...I'd be willing to ^-^

Up to you. Or Master, if you prefer. :V

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I'm actually quite limited in my experience and am actually technically a virgin. But I am cognizant of the risks of how I like to play. So I'd shield myself

Via the obvious methods... there's really not much more to say on this bit, is there?

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Heehee, I identify strongly as a girl, but that doesn't stop me from doing a few "manly" things. I just care about being myself.

S'truth. I definitely have my effeminate moments as well. Plus crossplaying, even though it was rather embarrassing outside of otaku-con context... and I've made a fool of myself with it.

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Hummm...that's hard, because while I'm not unconditionally submissive I like projecting that look so to speak. Umu...but I don't know any other good words...I mean, I probably do but I'm not sure which ones to use really...

Umu...how about...you'd like the service of conversation from me?

Eh...that's still a little meh though.

Really, something casual like "you'd like to chat" is probably the best route.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 01:31:59 AM
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That's... rather interesting, actually. And a good way around that worry. This is a learning experience!

I'm glad it helps. Bear in mind these are my personal interpretations, and the confidentiality thing is tailored towards my psychologist goals.

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Up to you. Or Master, if you prefer.

Well, I guess I'll resolve that meta as well with master.

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Via the obvious methods... there's really not much more to say on this bit, is there?

I suppose not. Oddly enough I'd take an "abstinence before testing" view more than contraceptive/protective

Though I'd use them as well

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S'truth. I definitely have my effeminate moments as well. Plus crossplaying, even though it was rather embarrassing outside of otaku-con context... and I've made a fool of myself with it.

You've crossplayed?

/me squees

I wanna see! I wanna see!

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Really, something casual like "you'd like to chat" is probably the best route.

But that doesn't mean as much to me...well...if that's your will ^-^.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 01:32:25 AM
Oh, Master gave permission. If you tell me to do that order you mentioned, I am allowed to follow it.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 01:51:15 AM
I suppose not. Oddly enough I'd take an "abstinence before testing" view more than contraceptive/protective

Though I'd use them as well

I take it you mean "don't do anything risky until you're both tested" by this? In which case, yeah, I'd agree. Naturally, the latter is still good to have for at least reproductive purposes. Of course, the easiest solution there may be a vasectomy... though that makes babymaking more of an ordeal. But perhaps, as it should be?

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You've crossplayed?

/me squees

I wanna see! I wanna see!

It's already been linked in the Classroom, silly, you can still find it on the forums. :V Poke around, you silly.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 01:52:19 AM
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I take it you mean "don't do anything risky until you're both tested" by this? In which case, yeah, I'd agree. Naturally, the latter is still good to have for at least reproductive purposes. Of course, the easiest solution there may be a vasectomy... though that makes babymaking more of an ordeal. But perhaps, as it should be?

Umu...welll...yeah, that's what I mean.

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It's already been linked in the Classroom, silly, you can still find it on the forums. :V Poke around, you silly.

Aww, I have to do work :P?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 01:55:19 AM
Yes. It also gives me time to do more than read/reply to this thread and approximately two others. :(
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 01:56:07 AM
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Yes. It also gives me time to do more than read/reply to this thread and approximately two others.

I might do it later. Are you going to so order me as you suggested before?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 01:57:07 AM
More like ask, but yeah, it'd be cute. Go ahead!
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 02:00:11 AM
More like ask, but yeah, it'd be cute. Go ahead!

Ok...gimme a second...
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 02:02:42 AM
D-done...

/me blushes a bit

It felt kinda nice...
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 02:08:09 AM
Good! You should be happy too. :V
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 02:09:07 AM
Good! You should be happy too. :V

Oh? Did I add a bit of spine to our favorite mouse?

I'm glad I should be happy if that's what you want :P.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 02:12:12 AM
My spine is a rare and transient thing. It's probably the best thing about mania, though it tends to be accompanied by an 'inexplicable' IQ drop.

And yeah, best sort of relationships of any sort are supposed to be good for all parties involved.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 02:14:33 AM
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My spine is a rare and transient thing. It's probably the best thing about mania, though it tends to be accompanied by an 'inexplicable' IQ drop.

And yeah, best sort of relationships of any sort are supposed to be good for all parties involved.

I agree. Fortunately, my pleasure is derived from my ability to please whoever I'm pleasing. So if I do a good job, I get my own reward.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 02:17:51 AM
I agree. Fortunately, my pleasure is derived from my ability to please whoever I'm pleasing. So if I do a good job, I get my own reward.

That is the most confusing and even enviable part of the paradox. I guess the worry is, what about the ways the person you're pleasing wants to be pleased? But we've covered that before, so meh.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 02:20:42 AM
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That is the most confusing and even enviable part of the paradox. I guess the worry is, what about the ways the person you're pleasing wants to be pleased? But we've covered that before, so meh.

Of course I have limits. But they are rather loose, and plus, I choose masters (well, as much as I choose anything) based on knowing what they like won't violate my limits. To be more fair, I'm drawn towards masters who will treat me properly, as "properly" as someone like me should be treated ^-^.

Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 02:23:57 AM
Or wants to be treated, perhaps. :V
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 02:25:07 AM
Or wants to be treated, perhaps. :V

Leave my will out of this! I'm a toy, ya hear :P?

My wants don't matter :P. But they do.

Dammit, quit making the paradox transparent. I use obfuscation techniques for a reason Mus :P

It's really odd though. Of course, the fact I tend to bend to whatever my master wants in a slave is how I justify it as submission rather than an odd sort of dominance.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 02:30:47 AM
I think it really is a form of submission, since you aren't exactly dictating to them how to treat you; just trusting them to use/abuse you in ways that you're willing to submit to and that (at least) they'd enjoy.

'course, it's better when both enjoy it, but since you're supposed to get that intrinsically from the setup, it's at least less of an issue.

Me, I'm more of a selfish bastard... but I don't like that.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 02:32:56 AM
[quot]I think it really is a form of submission, since you aren't exactly dictating to them how to treat you; just trusting them to use/abuse you in ways that you're willing to submit to and that (at least) they'd enjoy.[/quote]

You are really beginning to get it.

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Me, I'm more of a selfish bastard... but I don't like that.

What do you mean?

And if you are selfish doesn't that make you more suited to...um...have fun with me?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 02:40:42 AM
You are really beginning to get it.

I think I am, but you definitely helped. I'm just paranoid about abuse... and somewhat uncertain about whether certain 'uses' of you would be a bad idea for the user in a broader context.

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And if you are selfish doesn't that make you more suited to...um...have fun with me?

Like I said - I'm not proud of it, so I try not to be if I can avoid it, especially at significant costs to others. I remember overhearing you actually being disappointed at the lowish degree of use you got at a convention meet, and I know I'm fairly shy about doing such things - especially for fear of it being bad for my general mental health. Or yours.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 02:45:27 AM
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I think I am, but you definitely helped. I'm just paranoid about abuse... and somewhat uncertain about whether certain 'uses' of you would be a bad idea for the user in a broader context.

well...what would be a bad use of me in the way you are thinking?

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Like I said - I'm not proud of it, so I try not to be if I can avoid it, especially at significant costs to others. I remember overhearing you actually being disappointed at the lowish degree of use you got at a convention meet, and I know I'm fairly shy about doing such things - especially for fear of it being bad for my general mental health. Or yours.

Well, I can't really blame they guy. I was a nervous wreck on the first day, this being my first experience, and by the time I was ready to do anything special I didn't push it. I mean, it was mostly my fault I didn't get used too much. As for being shy...we'd have a lot of time...I could help you over it...maybe we could both improve each other a bit...

/me blushes.

As for it being bad for mental health...how do you think it would be?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 02:51:07 AM
well...what would be a bad use of me in the way you are thinking?

As for it being bad for mental health...how do you think it would be?

I can answer both of these at once by saying "I don't want to type out the sort of examples that come to mind if I try to think about this." Easy components to explain would be (near-)starvation, the ever-fun "hanging upside-down for a few years" CT reference, improper and extended use of blood, and other 'little' risks leaning towards guro.

I do not enjoy even thinking of these, but I do not trust myself in a position capable of invoking them.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 02:53:18 AM
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I can answer both of these at once by saying "I don't want to type out the sort of examples that come to mind if I try to think about this." Easy components to explain would be (near-)starvation, the ever-fun "hanging upside-down for a few years" CT reference, improper and extended use of blood, and other 'little' risks leaning towards guro.

I do not enjoy even thinking of these, but I do not trust myself in a position capable of invoking them.

Are you saying that your taste is somewhat in that direction? I didn't figure you to be into guro if I'm right.

Of course the contract isn't so inviolable I couldn't refuse stuff like that. That's where my will being outside the system comes in.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 02:55:36 AM
Are you saying that your taste is somewhat in that direction? I didn't figure you to be into guro if I'm right.

Of course the contract isn't so inviolable I couldn't refuse stuff like that. That's where my will being outside the system comes in.

I'm pretty sure it isn't, but I now remember how some of my first sexually-related conversations on AIM were with a bad friend that had some of those interests, and it worries me. Again, the matter is more trusting myself with that sort of authority, or responsibility. I just don't.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 02:58:48 AM
I'm pretty sure it isn't, but I now remember how some of my first sexually-related conversations on AIM were with a bad friend that had some of those interests, and it worries me. Again, the matter is more trusting myself with that sort of authority, or responsibility. I just don't.

You don't have to...the fact I trust you is enough...even if you don't do anything with it...as long as you're happy with me is my greatest joy ^-^...

Also...I tend to be a good judge of character...I don't think you would be as bad as you think.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 03:04:45 AM
Objectively, I doubt I would, too, but those undercurrents of rage and ruthlessness are disturbing. Stupid maleness.

Thanks for your trust, though.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 03:06:47 AM
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Objectively, I doubt I would, too, but those undercurrents of rage and ruthlessness are disturbing. Stupid maleness.

Thanks for your trust, though.

Actually, rage and ruthlessness is one of the reasons I exist...it helps vent those feelings. I'm a very willing "punching bag" of sorts :P.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 03:09:56 AM
There's the problem. Is it really best to 'vent' those feelings? Wasn't that model based on Freudian assumptions? I remember a mention in one of the positive psychology books I've read that not expressing anger helps more, in the long run, or something like that. So is it really a good idea?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 03:11:53 AM
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There's the problem. Is it really best to 'vent' those feelings? Wasn't that model based on Freudian assumptions? I remember a mention in one of the positive psychology books I've read that not expressing anger helps more, in the long run, or something like that. So is it really a good idea?

Actually, as far as I know expressing your anger is best, but not in the "ARGH RAGE BREAK STUFF" way. To resolve it peacefully is best and dissipates the feeling best.

But that's actually better. While I'm willing to be used as a punching bag, sessions done in anger make for VERY dangerous games. I'm always willing to sit there and listen, and even advise if you ask me to ^-^

And Freud was indeed wrong about a lot of things.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 03:14:43 AM
Actually, as far as I know expressing your anger is best, but not in the "ARGH RAGE BREAK STUFF" way. To resolve it peacefully is best and dissipates the feeling best.

So where's whipping, wax-scarring, humiliation, use as furniture, (mock) rape, etc come into play for this?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 03:16:22 AM
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So where's whipping, wax-scarring, humiliation, use as furniture, (mock) rape, etc come into play for this?

That's actually for fun.

The idea isn't that it's done in rage. It's done because it's something you kinda would like to do but can't really exercise often. But submissives like me exist for sadists to play with. It's...hard to explain.

It's...like how being used causes something to click in me that feels good, using someone causes something to click in a sadist. At least, I think that's how it is...maybe I'll ask master...
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 03:28:28 AM
That's actually for fun.

The idea isn't that it's done in rage. It's done because it's something you kinda would like to do but can't really exercise often. But submissives like me exist for sadists to play with. It's...hard to explain.

It's...like how being used causes something to click in me that feels good, using someone causes something to click in a sadist. At least, I think that's how it is...maybe I'll ask master...

You're probably right about the setup there. Perhaps it's more concern about whether being willing to exercise or submit to such dangerous or socially unwise things is a good idea.

But, considering how rarely it actually becomes a problem, plus the presence of much worse and much more widespread failings, it's really not worth throwing a fit over.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 03:30:38 AM
Honestly, as long as you aren't stupid about it BDSM can be seen as almost a purer expression of love...I mean, the trust involved runs deeper than vanilla, IMO.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 03:39:25 AM
That's extremely true, in all honesty. I suppose I'm just not very trusting, and I'm being stubborn at this point.

I do that a lot. It's not always a good thing.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 03:24:36 PM
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That's extremely true, in all honesty. I suppose I'm just not very trusting, and I'm being stubborn at this point.

I do that a lot. It's not always a good thing.

Fortunately, most of the trust goes in my role. Well, yes, you have to trust me to be a good girl and to actually listen to you, but I mean, as far as I can tell it is the submissive that needs to trust more. Though I welcome arguments otherwise ^-^.

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I do that a lot. It's not always a good thing.

Eh, being stubborn is decent. Makes someone work harder to get you so they value you more.

But was that an admission that I'm somehow making headway?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 09:02:13 PM
Fortunately, most of the trust goes in my role. Well, yes, you have to trust me to be a good girl and to actually listen to you, but I mean, as far as I can tell it is the submissive that needs to trust more. Though I welcome arguments otherwise ^-^.

No, I agree wholeheartedly on that count. Allowing that much control by another is almost mind-bogglingly trusting. 'Using' that trust is... more a matter of self-control, maybe. But doesn't require a lot of trust - except maybe for 'orders' that can't be observed or monitored? I guess that's relevant in your circumstances, but in person that's rarely an issue.

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Eh, being stubborn is decent. Makes someone work harder to get you so they value you more.

That isn't necessarily true. And outside of that context, it can be more problematic. For example, I pretty much refuse to do things I don't want to do - like actually do any work. :/ The problems here are rather self-evident.

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But was that an admission that I'm somehow making headway?

Huh? That was about our discussion of submissiveness and my irrationally persisting wariness towards it.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 09:08:10 PM
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No, I agree wholeheartedly on that count. Allowing that much control by another is almost mind-bogglingly trusting. 'Using' that trust is... more a matter of self-control, maybe. But doesn't require a lot of trust - except maybe for 'orders' that can't be observed or monitored? I guess that's relevant in your circumstances, but in person that's rarely an issue.

Kinda, to a degree you have to trust them to keep your confidence and not to act up. The submissive reflects on you, in a way. (sorta like how the behavior of children reflects on their parents)

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That isn't necessarily true. And outside of that context, it can be more problematic. For example, I pretty much refuse to do things I don't want to do - like actually do any work. :/ The problems here are rather self-evident.

Heh, I know how that can be. But yeah, I suppose it's like any trait...has good and bad applications.

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Huh? That was about our discussion of submissiveness and my irrationally persisting wariness towards it.

A shame. And here I was hoping...that you might like me a little more...

/me blushes at this.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 09:17:25 PM
Kinda, to a degree you have to trust them to keep your confidence and not to act up. The submissive reflects on you, in a way. (sorta like how the behavior of children reflects on their parents)

ANY sort of relationship relies on trusting them to keep your confidence and not act up. A submissive is even easier to manage in that context since they have a consistent track record of not doing so even in atypically 'extreme' circumstances, and can more readily be relied on to continue that. Sorry, I have to disagree on this one.

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Heh, I know how that can be. But yeah, I suppose it's like any trait...has good and bad applications.

A shame. And here I was hoping...that you might like me a little more...

/me blushes at this.

Hey, it's always nice to have more friends to talk to about serious matters. And VERY good to try and learn from ones that have a different mindset than yourself.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 09:26:28 PM
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Hey, it's always nice to have more friends to talk to about serious matters. And VERY good to try and learn from ones that have a different mindset than yourself.

I agree...but if we become friends it makes it that much harder to...pursue my liking for you..since it could ruin the friendship...and...well...

I wouldn't mind being with you...

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ANY sort of relationship relies on trusting them to keep your confidence and not act up. A submissive is even easier to manage in that context since they have a consistent track record of not doing so even in atypically 'extreme' circumstances, and can more readily be relied on to continue that. Sorry, I have to disagree on this one.

Never said it was a LOT of trust, I'm just saying trust is involved.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 09:31:05 PM
I agree...but if we become friends it makes it that much harder to...pursue my liking for you..since it could ruin the friendship...and...well...

I wouldn't mind being with you...

We're already talking here, you silly. :V

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Never said it was a LOT of trust, I'm just saying trust is involved.

It always is. I just don't find it exceptional enough to make a point of. I'm being a bit of a jerk again, aren't I?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 09:56:26 PM
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We're already talking here, you silly.

We are...but...even so, switching modes...to at least try out being lovers would change the content and framework of our conversation...I mean, you don't DISlike me, do you?

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It always is. I just don't find it exceptional enough to make a point of. I'm being a bit of a jerk again, aren't I?

No, it's alright, it's open for argument.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 09:59:19 PM
We are...but...even so, switching modes...to at least try out being lovers would change the content and framework of our conversation...I mean, you don't DISlike me, do you?

Of course not. I thought you were the tsundere. :V
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 10:01:53 PM
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Of course not. I thought you were the tsundere.

And you got to the dere, now didn't you :P.

But at any rate...I don't see why you can't just accept me as a valid target of affection...
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 10:04:41 PM
And you got to the dere, now didn't you :P.

But at any rate...I don't see why you can't just accept me as a valid target of affection...

I do accept that as a possibility, but I don't exactly have to follow through with it. :V
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 10:06:27 PM
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I do accept that as a possibility, but I don't exactly have to follow through with it.

That's fair but...I mean...can't we at least try it?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 09, 2009, 10:52:07 PM
That's fair but...I mean...can't we at least try it?

I'll admit it's tempting, but this would be rather superficial, wouldn't it? I'm not sure that would be healthy. I'm not really interested in taking advantage of your 'usage' offering... except maybe to stir up trouble by provoking contradictory actions or orders. I enjoy meta too much.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 09, 2009, 10:56:20 PM
I'll admit it's tempting, but this would be rather superficial, wouldn't it? I'm not sure that would be healthy. I'm not really interested in taking advantage of your 'usage' offering... except maybe to stir up trouble by provoking contradictory actions or orders. I enjoy meta too much.

But...I like being taken advantage of, if that makes sense. So you really wouldn't be. Contradictory orders are actually really fun too...since it's like a game of chess with me as the board...I like that sort of thing...

And you can never enjoy meta too much (another thing we share it seems)

As for being healthy, don't worry about it...and why would it be superficial? Isn't dating the period that you actually fall out of infatuation and engage in true love? I mean...all you have to do is admit that I would make a very good toy for you and that you wouldn't mind taking me.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 10, 2009, 12:17:08 AM
Dinner interrupts me once again!

But...I like being taken advantage of, if that makes sense. So you really wouldn't be. Contradictory orders are actually really fun too...since it's like a game of chess with me as the board...I like that sort of thing...

Man, if only Kira wasn't such an asshole.

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And you can never enjoy meta too much (another thing we share it seems)

Hence my interest in psychology... especially evolutionary psychology. Knowing the oddities of what we think is good, but understanding WHY we think the way we do is even more exposing. And ways to improve on that, well...

(http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7152/doctorlaugh.gif)

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As for being healthy, don't worry about it...and why would it be superficial? Isn't dating the period that you actually fall out of infatuation and engage in true love? I mean...all you have to do is admit that I would make a very good toy for you and that you wouldn't mind taking me.

Is it really? Based on dating sites and other conventional romancing, dating is just starting to get to know someone with the intent of getting into a romantic and/or sexual relationship. I'm not sure of that; dating, infatuation, and lust are not mutually exclusive. And don't necessarily lead into one another... especially the lust part.

And... hm. I wouldn't MIND taking you, but again, I don't like the wording of "toy." I don't particularly need help with sexual gratification, and mindgames would get boring or confusing quickly enough. Especially since we're basically doing that already.

Now, friend, that I can get behind.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 10, 2009, 01:11:28 AM
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Man, if only Kira wasn't such an asshole.

Death Note? I guess you can vaguely go with that. Not the best association

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Hence my interest in psychology... especially evolutionary psychology. Knowing the oddities of what we think is good, but understanding WHY we think the way we do is even more exposing. And ways to improve on that, well...

That's sooo meta

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Is it really? Based on dating sites and other conventional romancing, dating is just starting to get to know someone with the intent of getting into a romantic and/or sexual relationship. I'm not sure of that; dating, infatuation, and lust are not mutually exclusive. And don't necessarily lead into one another... especially the lust part.

Fair enough. My interpretation was that dating was to develop love after infatuation/lust.

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And... hm. I wouldn't MIND taking you, but again, I don't like the wording of "toy." I don't particularly need help with sexual gratification, and mindgames would get boring or confusing quickly enough. Especially since we're basically doing that already.

Now, friend, that I can get behind.

Haha, sorry, should I pick a better word? And that's fine if you don't need sexual gratification. As for mind games, that's only one of my many talents...as you'll see if I can EVER get my freaking microphone to work.

As for friend, that's not the goal of this :P. I'd be happy to be your friend if you ceded the match, but that'd be somewhat unsportspersonlike.

Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 10, 2009, 01:22:18 AM
Death Note? I guess you can vaguely go with that. Not the best association

Yeah. Appropriate mindgames, but terrible context. Mafia isn't much better, to me.

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Fair enough. My interpretation was that dating was to develop love after infatuation/lust.

I guess that varies. From meeting in person, maybe, but organized setups, not as much. Hmm. Maybe I'm wrong on it, actually.

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Haha, sorry, should I pick a better word? And that's fine if you don't need sexual gratification. As for mind games, that's only one of my many talents...as you'll see if I can EVER get my freaking microphone to work.

As in singing, or is this some other insinuation?

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As for friend, that's not the goal of this :P. I'd be happy to be your friend if you ceded the match, but that'd be somewhat unsportspersonlike.

And also invalidate the whole thing anyway. When this sort of conversation is already quite friend-ish. :V
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 10, 2009, 01:25:03 AM
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Yeah. Appropriate mindgames, but terrible context. Mafia isn't much better, to me.

Ah, I see

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Yeah. Appropriate mindgames, but terrible context. Mafia isn't much better, to me.

Who knows. Aren't there songs about what love is? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsCXZczTQXo)

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As in singing, or is this some other insinuation?

Singing, playing sax, really, music is one of my major arts.

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And also invalidate the whole thing anyway. When this sort of conversation is already quite friend-ish.

Invalidate? How so? It's not really collusion since it was done in thread. And sure, the conversation is friend-ish now. Without a goal do you think we'll keep talking?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 10, 2009, 01:30:38 AM
Who knows. Aren't there songs about what love is? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsCXZczTQXo)

I keep telling you, it's when 72 billion monkeys steal a Porsche and drive it off a cliff!

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Singing, playing sax, really, music is one of my major arts.

Nice. Organized music is actually one of my weak points. I can sing, patch pitch, and keep rhythm, but I not very good at writing songs or following music from sheet representation... still, it's very nice.

Man. It's been ages since I stopped playing violin... I kept using too fast a tempo. Heh.

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Invalidate? How so?

Well, more the collusion invaliding both of us from the contest. Sorry, that was unclear.

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It's not really collusion since it was done in thread. And sure, the conversation is friend-ish now. Without a goal do you think we'll keep talking?

Yes. We've BEEN doing that. :V
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 10, 2009, 01:32:00 AM
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Yes. We've BEEN doing that.

Oh? So you say I'll never achieve my goal of your heart? Isn't that a little...callous?

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Well, more the collusion invaliding both of us from the contest. Sorry, that was unclear.

Wouldn't be collusion

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Nice. Organized music is actually one of my weak points. I can sing, patch pitch, and keep rhythm, but I not very good at writing songs or following music from sheet representation... still, it's very nice.

Man. It's been ages since I stopped playing violin... I kept using too fast a tempo. Heh.

I read it well enough, but I'm better on ear.

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I keep telling you, it's when 72 billion monkeys steal a Porsche and drive it off a cliff!

I do not recall this.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 10, 2009, 01:35:26 AM
Oh? So you say I'll never achieve my goal of your heart? Isn't that a little...callous?

Well, that's what I'm supposed to be doing, isn't it :(

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Wouldn't be collusion

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be your friend if you ceded the match

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I read it well enough, but I'm better on ear.

I look forward to any examples, should they come to light.

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I do not recall this.

Lurk more :V
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 10, 2009, 01:36:42 AM
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Well, that's what I'm supposed to be doing, isn't it :(

But you've already admitted you wouldn't mind taking me...what's stopping you?

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I look forward to any examples, should they come to light.

Well if you aren't gonna fall for me whats the point? tzun~

And bah, I was lurking when the universe was concieved!

Or something.

And I'll ask TSO if that would be collusion.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 10, 2009, 01:57:09 AM
But you've already admitted you wouldn't mind taking me...what's stopping you?

Mostly stubbornness and game-meta. :V Also, I'm not sure how entertaining you'd be as an ID!

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Well if you aren't gonna fall for me whats the point? tzun~

What, you didn't find this an interesting conversation?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 10, 2009, 02:01:53 AM
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Mostly stubbornness and game-meta. :V Also, I'm not sure how entertaining you'd be as an ID!

Wasn't I hilarious as IM? I'd only get better

As for stubbornness...well, wasn't it you that said you wanted to at least temper that trait a bit? Wouldn't this be good practice? You don't have to give up immediately...maybe just a little bit before deadline?

I'd make it worth your while ;)
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What, you didn't find this an interesting conversation?

It's fair. I'm sure I know a lot of people I could have conversations like this with. It's not like I really need you for them.



Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 10, 2009, 02:15:47 AM
Wasn't I hilarious as IM? I'd only get better

I... actually don't remember. Give me examples?

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As for stubbornness...well, wasn't it you that said you wanted to at least temper that trait a bit? Wouldn't this be good practice? You don't have to give up immediately...maybe just a little bit before deadline?

I'd make it worth your while ;)

It's something worth working on, but considering that I'm SUPPOSED to be stubborn here and it isn't supposed to be about making deals...

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It's fair. I'm sure I know a lot of people I could have conversations like this with. It's not like I really need you for them.

\(^o^)/
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 10, 2009, 02:19:01 AM
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I... actually don't remember. Give me examples?

I broke the forums with my katamari.

Ok, that wasn't funny, that was stupid. At least I fit the idiot part well.

I stickied quality threads rather often

I made good edits to titles and posts where necessary.

Oh, and I made Nobu IP. Best choice EVAR.

Also, I wrote that hilarious "soap opera"

My short run as IM wasn't a bad one.

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It's something worth working on, but considering that I'm SUPPOSED to be stubborn here and it isn't supposed to be about making deals...

Fine, I won't ask for deals. I'm merely saying that if you took me I'd make it worth your while. Not anything about the ID stuff. As for being stubborn being good, well, yanno, it can be unhealthy ^-^

And why are you so happy I have other sources of conversation?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 10, 2009, 02:34:51 AM
I broke the forums with my katamari.

Oh, right. That. :/ Not pleased with that.

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I stickied quality threads rather often

We have enough stickies already, and it seems like there are a good number of people that ignore them since they tend to be static.

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I made good edits to titles and posts where necessary.

Oh, and I made Nobu IP. Best choice EVAR.

I can't recall any examples of post editing... are there any survivors you can find?

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Also, I wrote that hilarious "soap opera"

My short run as IM wasn't a bad one.

Mmm... probably true enough...

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Fine, I won't ask for deals. I'm merely saying that if you took me I'd make it worth your while. Not anything about the ID stuff. As for being stubborn being good, well, yanno, it can be unhealthy ^-^

If overgeneralized, at least. Which I do, but in this context...

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And why are you so happy I have other sources of conversation?

You misinterpret my dear owata-chan. (http://shii.org/knows/2ch_slang)
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 10, 2009, 02:39:47 AM
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Oh, right. That. :/ Not pleased with that.

It was an accident. If I knew it'd break the forum I wouldn't have done it.

I learned though. Ask before doing batshit things

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We have enough stickies already, and it seems like there are a good number of people that ignore them since they tend to be static.

I didn't sticky often, just when it was worth it.

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I can't recall any examples of post editing... are there any survivors you can find?

The BDSM thread was mostly my title changing. I cannot immediately think of any funny edits

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Mmm... probably true enough...

FINALLY

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If overgeneralized, at least. Which I do, but in this context...

Now now, you can't use contextual morality. That's cheating.

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You misinterpret my dear owata-chan.

Owata?

And it looked like you were putting both arms in the air like "hooray!"
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 10, 2009, 02:51:23 AM
I hunger. I should probably eat before I reply, but oh well.

It was an accident. If I knew it'd break the forum I wouldn't have done it.

I learned though. Ask before doing batshit things

Katamari-ing up everything with more than two pages doesn't sound like a very good idea for preserving the particularly good threads, or even having a thread that's readable. :| If it was for kicks, sure, but it... isn't a good approach to archiving.

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I didn't sticky often, just when it was worth it.

The BDSM thread was mostly my title changing. I cannot immediately think of any funny edits

I missed most of that one, admittedly, though I remember the topic of one massive thread changing regularly...

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Now now, you can't use contextual morality. That's cheating.

Are you sure? Context is always relevant. Actually, I haven't heard about that one before, go on and explain...

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Owata?

And it looked like you were putting both arms in the air like "hooray!"

Owata. Only with Owata will you understand. (http://subxero.phatcode.net/downloads/games/owata.swf)
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 10, 2009, 02:52:55 AM
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Katamari-ing up everything with more than two pages doesn't sound like a very good idea for preserving the particularly good threads, or even having a thread that's readable. :| If it was for kicks, sure, but it... isn't a good approach to archiving.

I wasn't archiving ^-^. I was AVOIDING threads that were to be archived, actually

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Are you sure? Context is always relevant. Actually, I haven't heard about that one before, go on and explain...

Desperate argument. I was hoping you'd agree and give me the argument I'd use. Looks like that backfired.

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Owata. Only with Owata will you understand.

Uwaa~ But I donnnnnnn't :(
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 10, 2009, 03:06:14 AM
I wasn't archiving ^-^. I was AVOIDING threads that were to be archived, actually

How much did you check the ones you were rolling up before doing so? Just because it doesn't come up immediately doesn't mean a thread wouldn't be considered worth preserving.

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Desperate argument. I was hoping you'd agree and give me the argument I'd use. Looks like that backfired.

Yeah, I'm meta about morality as well, if the sexual jealousy discussion didn't give that away. :V

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Uwaa~ But I donnnnnnn't :(

Then discover =(
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 10, 2009, 03:20:47 AM
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How much did you check the ones you were rolling up before doing so? Just because it doesn't come up immediately doesn't mean a thread wouldn't be considered worth preserving.

Title, first few posts, and if I remembered it.

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Yeah, I'm meta about morality as well, if the sexual jealousy discussion didn't give that away.

HAha, ah well. But being so stubborn might cost you your chance at me, no?

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Then discover =(

Will google be enough for it?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 10, 2009, 03:41:11 AM
Title, first few posts, and if I remembered it.

Some didn't pick up after a while... meh. It's in the past now, guess I shouldn't be persistent about it.

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HAha, ah well. But being so stubborn might cost you your chance at me, no?

There may be a tradeoff there! Having a 'chance at you' could definitely be interesting for me personally - maybe you too - but I'm not sure how much it would entertain others. When I'm not being a moron about it, I seem to have a decent track record with power abuse. Uncertainty!

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Will google be enough for it?

Possibly. As well as attention. (http://shii.org/knows/2ch_slang)
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 10, 2009, 03:44:34 AM
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Some didn't pick up after a while... meh. It's in the past now, guess I shouldn't be persistent about it.

Ah well...sorry

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There may be a tradeoff there! Having a 'chance at you' could definitely be interesting for me personally - maybe you too - but I'm not sure how much it would entertain others. When I'm not being a moron about it, I seem to have a decent track record with power abuse. Uncertainty!

Well, I'm an exhibitionist, and I always put on a good show. I can guarantee it would entertain everyone...if you wanted to use me out here like that. But, having a chance at me privately is perfectly alright as well...

Well...would you like to at least test me a little? And see what I can do? Right here?

And I see...I'm impossible, am I mus? That's not very niccccccce!
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 10, 2009, 03:53:02 AM
Well, I'm an exhibitionist, and I always put on a good show. I can guarantee it would entertain everyone...if you wanted to use me out here like that. But, having a chance at me privately is perfectly alright as well...

Well...would you like to at least test me a little? And see what I can do? Right here?

By various accounts, MotK isn't supposed to be a place for cybering.

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And I see...I'm impossible, am I mus? That's not very niccccccce!

I am using a somewhat more specific (http://shii.org/knows/2ch_slang) 2ch meaning of owata in this sense.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 10, 2009, 01:49:14 PM
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By various accounts, MotK isn't supposed to be a place for cybering.

It isn't SUPPOSED to be but that never really stopped me ^-^. Oh dear, for someone so submissive I sure have a disregard for rules...

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I am using a somewhat more specific 2ch meaning of owata in this sense.

Oh, I know where to look then...

Or not...hmm...this is irritating.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 10, 2009, 01:56:52 PM
how sneaky, e-mouse. You were lucky to catch me with a headache yesterday. Today my clarity of mind has discovered your secret links.

And are you saying I have no life? How cruel. And inaccurate.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 10, 2009, 09:41:10 PM
It isn't SUPPOSED to be but that never really stopped me ^-^. Oh dear, for someone so submissive I sure have a disregard for rules...

To be fair, there aren't really rules, just reasons to follow them. Given the lack of consequence or even warning so far, I guess the mods haven't minded too much. Is it since unregistered users can't see this forum?

how sneaky, e-mouse. You were lucky to catch me with a headache yesterday. Today my clarity of mind has discovered your secret links.

And are you saying I have no life? How cruel. And inaccurate.

Owata-chan is generally self-directed, I believe. Hence why the game kills owata-chan all the time, rather than everything.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 11, 2009, 01:25:06 AM
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To be fair, there aren't really rules, just reasons to follow them. Given the lack of consequence or even warning so far, I guess the mods haven't minded too much. Is it since unregistered users can't see this forum?

That and the fact I put on a good show.

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Owata-chan is generally self-directed, I believe. Hence why the game kills owata-chan all the time, rather than everything.

Ah, YOU have no life. I understand now :P.

But you said "my dear owata-chan" directed at me.

Well...at any rate...with time running out...it has become time to get a little more clever...

I do believe I'm going to have to actually...ugh...do...research rather than blandly running after you begging you to take me :S...
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 11, 2009, 01:42:00 AM
It feels odd trying to reply to this with parents cleaning up the room behind you.

That and the fact I put on a good show.

I actually skipped reading most of the antics in Purvis' thread, but I see what you mean.

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Ah, YOU have no life. I understand now :P.

But you said "my dear owata-chan" directed at me.

Oh dear. That WAS unclear, wasn't it? I was simply referring to owata-chan itself: I have an unhealthy affection for some of those 2ch memes.

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Well...at any rate...with time running out...it has become time to get a little more clever...

I do believe I'm going to have to actually...ugh...do...research rather than blandly running after you begging you to take me :S...

Oh? This should be interesting... though I expect it wouldn't be TOO difficult to find some good hints, from a number of sources...
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 11, 2009, 01:46:20 AM
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I actually skipped reading most of the antics in Purvis' thread, but I see what you mean.

/me ish a sad kitten

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Oh dear. That WAS unclear, wasn't it? I was simply referring to owata-chan itself: I have an unhealthy affection for some of those 2ch memes.

Ah, it's ok. I've been known to meme a bit myself.

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Oh? This should be interesting... though I expect it wouldn't be TOO difficult to find some good hints, from a number of sources...

Probably not too terribly hard, no.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 11, 2009, 04:56:34 AM
Actually, since I'm kinda bored, I think I WILL go back and try to read that more thoroughly.

And I guess I could have been more explicit about planning to wait for your discoveries.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 11, 2009, 01:58:55 PM
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Actually, since I'm kinda bored, I think I WILL go back and try to read that more thoroughly.

And I guess I could have been more explicit about planning to wait for your discoveries.

Watch warmly ^-^.

I'm making a bit of headway but it wouldn't be wise to play my hand yet. And today I won't get much done as I have things to do in real life of sorts.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 12, 2009, 01:42:40 AM
How...intriguing. I'm impressed by my findings...I really was a rather naive user of the internet in those times...

At any rate, I'm rather curious if you ever got your marrow back from Dentak.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 12, 2009, 01:44:04 AM
That was Bob, not me.

Oh man. Bob. I miss him so much. Rube, too.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 12, 2009, 01:53:29 AM
Rube indeed seemed to have quite a lot of talent in those times. Not sure I'd precisely like him much...seemed to have a bit...umu...too much affection for boobies...

Bob, on the other hand, at least had some level of affinity for my favorite animal ^-^. As for who it was...do you really think that Dentak would settle for a single person's marrow?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 12, 2009, 02:01:10 AM
It's been ages since I've talked to him. I don't know anymore.

Geez, what was that? Four years ago? No, more like six. Jesus.

I'm inclined to think that most of the sexual references from the RPGWW gang are just joking around. Honestly, even when now-lost NSFW subforums cropped up they as often as not got diverted by silliness. The debate over Rika's parentage was nothing short of epic, even if I never even really skimmed it :(
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 12, 2009, 02:10:52 AM
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It's been ages since I've talked to him. I don't know anymore.

Geez, what was that? Four years ago? No, more like six. Jesus.

As I said, it was a time when I was a naive little girl when it came to the internet. Guessing your marrow is intact at least ^-^

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I'm inclined to think that most of the sexual references from the RPGWW gang are just joking around.

Who said anything about RPGWW? I mean, I suppose I can start going into that but I don't want to flood you too much with my research...

I do appreciate some of your work though ^-^.

At any rate, any more cans you'd like to open before I continue? I've said enough so you can set the pace a bit.

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Actually, since I'm kinda bored, I think I WILL go back and try to read that more thoroughly.

How did you like it? Though obviously I have talents outside of being a fuck toy. (That also wasn't a particularly good play)
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 12, 2009, 02:21:07 AM
As I said, it was a time when I was a naive little girl when it came to the internet. Guessing your marrow is intact at least ^-^

I wasn't very naive by that point, but much more reserved. Now, I openly admit to perversion, but never really act on it.

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Who said anything about RPGWW? I mean, I suppose I can start going into that but I don't want to flood you too much with my research...

I think you're going a bit far back, actually. While I still adore the humor of those times, my tastes in other fields have changed. :V

HAVE I spoken with Dentack since that era, though? Was he one of Cyril's friends...? I think he had other aliases.

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I do appreciate some of your work though ^-^.

... thanks. That means a lot to me, actually :x

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At any rate, any more cans you'd like to open before I continue? I've said enough so you can set the pace a bit.

Honestly, most of this stuff is just ancient history... for the most part, things have moved on.

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How did you like it? Though obviously I have talents outside of being a fuck toy. (That also wasn't a particularly good play)

Yeah, it didn't exactly pick up. And I was not fond of the near-drowning bit.
And feel kinda guilty about earlier parts of it turning me on.

I'm still not sure it's healthy to encourage that degree of sadomasochistic behavior, though... tying pleasure and pain has some danger risks outside of playing with that, and I simply cannot condone emotional abuse for the sake of emotional abuse.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 12, 2009, 02:42:41 AM
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Honestly, most of this stuff is just ancient history... for the most part, things have moved on.


I think you're going a bit far back, actually. While I still adore the humor of those times, my tastes in other fields have changed.

It's quite difficult to escape one's past. While it's hard to predict who they'll become from it, you still get an insight into what might work...

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... thanks. That means a lot to me, actually :x

I'm glad. Because it was some decent idea. A lot of the kind of stuff I appreciate (and I'm not referring to BDSM this time :P)

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I wasn't very naive by that point, but much more reserved. Now, I openly admit to perversion, but never really act on it.

I know how that is...but you are a little perverted mouse huh? Just what do you think of ^-^?

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Yeah, it didn't exactly pick up. And I was not fond of the near-drowning bit.

Rou's actions are his own. His fetish is his. If he can enjoy it, more power to him. That's my take. As for the earlier parts...I'm glad you liked them ;)

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I'm still not sure it's healthy to encourage that degree of sadomasochistic behavior, though... tying pleasure and pain has some danger risks outside of playing with that, and I simply cannot condone emotional abuse for the sake of emotional abuse.

Let me put it this way. The pain has to be sensual in some way. Yes, I'll break this rule a little in roleplay because it's not actually my body. but honestly, I wouldn't "get off" on, say, a punch to the face. Or the spine. It's all about context. So the ties aren't as strong as I make them out to be. As for "emotional abuse", that's also contextual. I like being called dirty names and being devalued. There are, however, hard limits on what you can insult, well known by whoever plays with me. Actual emotional abuse is avoided because I turn what some might consider emotional abuse into a kind of badge of honor. The more depraved things I'm called the more I feel I've done something right, if that makes sense. But some things won't fit the context and would be genuinely hurtful. So again, the tie is weaker than it looks.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 12, 2009, 03:24:16 AM
It's quite difficult to escape one's past. While it's hard to predict who they'll become from it, you still get an insight into what might work...

I wasn't exactly romantic at that point, mind.

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I know how that is...but you are a little perverted mouse huh? Just what do you think of ^-^?

My fetishes are mundane, but I'm not proud of some of their implications. My main issues are looking up h-images regularly and frequent sexual jokes/interpretations/imaginations. My eyes aren't exactly civil about wandering on the rare occasions I'm in public, either.

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Rou's actions are his own. His fetish is his. If he can enjoy it, more power to him. That's my take. As for the earlier parts...I'm glad you liked them ;)

No, that didn't really seem like fetish fulfillment, which was... a large part of the problem. But I guess that isn't the issue here.

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Let me put it this way. The pain has to be sensual in some way. Yes, I'll break this rule a little in roleplay because it's not actually my body. but honestly, I wouldn't "get off" on, say, a punch to the face. Or the spine. It's all about context. So the ties aren't as strong as I make them out to be.

Heh. That reminds me of Purvis' Unzanshuryouken image. He mentioned checking that with the masochists. I was very amused.

Context... is also a good point, actually. Pain in the bedroom doesn't generalize well to pain from cooking-oil spills in the kitchen, or the like. I'm no real judge of 'sensual' pain, so I can't delve further than that, but yeah. This part isn't really that bad, but I'm easily worried.

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As for "emotional abuse", that's also contextual. I like being called dirty names and being devalued. There are, however, hard limits on what you can insult, well known by whoever plays with me. Actual emotional abuse is avoided because I turn what some might consider emotional abuse into a kind of badge of honor. The more depraved things I'm called the more I feel I've done something right, if that makes sense. But some things won't fit the context and would be genuinely hurtful. So again, the tie is weaker than it looks.

This part, on the other hand, I find REALLY unhealthy.

Would you be insulted if others in public called you things that you want/expect from your master or other playmates? I'll admit I may underestimate mental flexibility, but are you sure it's healthy to embrace those insults, even if you don't (think you) take them to heart? For that matter, is it healthy for your master to use such insults and hostility?

.......... thinking about it more... I suppose you COULD try to disconnect terms of insults from their conventional meaning via reinterpretation. "Slut" is an insult for fear of cuckoldry more than anything, which isn't especially valid in this day and age. That one's pretty easy to redefine. And 'put-downs' between master and servant could be retaken as 'pet names.' Possible but confusing bonus; resilience to others using that as an insult due to it losing that meaning to you. Possible problem with that: Misinterpreting their intent, or embracing it leading to them getting angry or seeking to genuinely abuse you.

So... I'm inflexible about doing so myself, and I'm not fond of the idea, but I can see that part working... to an extent. I'm definitely still worried about subtly taking it to heart and being a more passive self-esteem-less slug than I am, but it's... plausible.

Still - there's more than that to emotional abuse... give me some non-verbal examples of what you would and wouldn't tolerate, perhaps?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 13, 2009, 02:47:10 PM
Heh...even though I lost a day I still managed to do a little bit of...research. I'm kinda surprised some of these people still exist, and moreso that they REMEMBER you...6 years is a long time. But yeah...there were some quite interesting stories told...it...actually increased my respect for you a bit. I desire you a little more than I thought :P.

Oh, by the way did Jeremy and Alice ever get together? And if so did the Author do anything about it ^-^? I mean, seriously that was nothing short of genius, that work ^-^.

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No, that didn't really seem like fetish fulfillment, which was... a large part of the problem. But I guess that isn't the issue here.

Well, Rou is Rou. If it works for him, it works ^-^

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My fetishes are mundane, but I'm not proud of some of their implications. My main issues are looking up h-images regularly and frequent sexual jokes/interpretations/imaginations. My eyes aren't exactly civil about wandering on the rare occasions I'm in public, either.

this is an evasive answer. I'm kinda curious about what fetish would be "mundane" :P

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Context... is also a good point, actually. Pain in the bedroom doesn't generalize well to pain from cooking-oil spills in the kitchen, or the like. I'm no real judge of 'sensual' pain, so I can't delve further than that, but yeah. This part isn't really that bad, but I'm easily worried.

Glad you understand that.

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Would you be insulted if others in public called you things that you want/expect from your master or other playmates? I'll admit I may underestimate mental flexibility, but are you sure it's healthy to embrace those insults, even if you don't (think you) take them to heart? For that matter, is it healthy for your master to use such insults and hostility?

In public I wouldn't show a reaction. I might allow myself to entertain enjoying it to myself, but I wouldn't misinterpret te intent. I basically wouldn't be insulted. As for a master that uses dirty talk, I dunno. I'm of the opinion they can comparmentalize as much as I can. Probably more. After all, in some cases they'd have to treat me differently in public than in private, so it'd be necessary to partition.

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.......... thinking about it more... I suppose you COULD try to disconnect terms of insults from their conventional meaning via reinterpretation. "Slut" is an insult for fear of cuckoldry more than anything, which isn't especially valid in this day and age. That one's pretty easy to redefine. And 'put-downs' between master and servant could be retaken as 'pet names.' Possible but confusing bonus; resilience to others using that as an insult due to it losing that meaning to you. Possible problem with that: Misinterpreting their intent, or embracing it leading to them getting angry or seeking to genuinely abuse you.

I don't redefine much, I just accept it. As for embracing it that just throws them more off guard if someone wishes to insult me. The more angry they get the better advantage I have ^-^

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So... I'm inflexible about doing so myself, and I'm not fond of the idea, but I can see that part working... to an extent. I'm definitely still worried about subtly taking it to heart and being a more passive self-esteem-less slug than I am, but it's... plausible.

If you have learned nothing else, I'm sure you've noticed that I have a rather strong will and a fair sense of self. I just choose to submit because it makes me feel complete in a way I can't really convey with words.

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Still - there's more than that to emotional abuse... give me some non-verbal examples of what you would and wouldn't tolerate, perhaps?

How do you mean this?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 13, 2009, 04:45:45 PM
Heh...even though I lost a day I still managed to do a little bit of...research. I'm kinda surprised some of these people still exist, and moreso that they REMEMBER you...6 years is a long time. But yeah...there were some quite interesting stories told...it...actually increased my respect for you a bit. I desire you a little more than I thought :P.

You actually tracked them down to talk to? Who'd you find? There's probably a few that I haven't tried to keep in contact with...

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Oh, by the way did Jeremy and Alice ever get together? And if so did the Author do anything about it ^-^? I mean, seriously that was nothing short of genius, that work ^-^.

I enjoyed those shenanigans, yeah, but I've abandoned it. Ultimately the story I had in mind is unspectacular, and, really, is more of a finale to a separate storyline that will never really see the light of day.

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this is an evasive answer. I'm kinda curious about what fetish would be "mundane" :P

Well fine:
Cum, especially coming inside (shame: blatant reproductive intent), clearly enjoying it, group sex/use, futa, maybe double penetration.
A short list compared to most of the internet, maybe even people in general, and few that ze normals would find unusual.

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In public I wouldn't show a reaction. I might allow myself to entertain enjoying it to myself, but I wouldn't misinterpret te intent. I basically wouldn't be insulted. As for a master that uses dirty talk, I dunno. I'm of the opinion they can comparmentalize as much as I can. Probably more. After all, in some cases they'd have to treat me differently in public than in private, so it'd be necessary to partition.

...

I don't redefine much, I just accept it. As for embracing it that just throws them more off guard if someone wishes to insult me. The more angry they get the better advantage I have ^-^

Unless they're willing to hurt you in unacceptable ways, at least... but that tends to be rather projected anyway, doesn't it?

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If you have learned nothing else, I'm sure you've noticed that I have a rather strong will and a fair sense of self. I just choose to submit because it makes me feel complete in a way I can't really convey with words.

Mmm, I suppose so. Still, it worries me, especially on the broader scale...  cursed paranoia. But I guess if it makes you happy and you make sure neither you or Master really hurt anyone with it... or let people get hurt, for that matter.

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How do you mean this?

Things like... acting as furniture, being leashed like a dog... forgot the moderate example I came up with... or nastier stuff like being completely ignored or solitary confinement. Non-verbal, non-violent means of mistreatment, I guess?

I think I'm going to go shower. Maybe it'll help me stay awake...
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 13, 2009, 05:10:06 PM
Heh, as for your fetishes, I share a couple of those...well...the first one I wouldn't mind having done unto me to be honest...

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Unless they're willing to hurt you in unacceptable ways, at least... but that tends to be rather projected anyway, doesn't it?

I run quickly ^-^

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Mmm, I suppose so. Still, it worries me, especially on the broader scale...  cursed paranoia. But I guess if it makes you happy and you make sure neither you or Master really hurt anyone with it... or let people get hurt, for that matter.

elaborate?

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Things like... acting as furniture, being leashed like a dog... forgot the moderate example I came up with... or nastier stuff like being completely ignored or solitary confinement. Non-verbal, non-violent means of mistreatment, I guess?

Well, being leashed and acting as furniture is just fun. I like being leashed...it's fun. But as for the other stuff, very few masters would inflict that on a submissive unless the submissive enjoyed it, which not many do I don't think. Also the fact that the masters that would are probably not very good.

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I enjoyed those shenanigans, yeah, but I've abandoned it. Ultimately the story I had in mind is unspectacular, and, really, is more of a finale to a separate storyline that will never really see the light of day.

Ah...a shame...

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You actually tracked them down to talk to? Who'd you find? There's probably a few that I haven't tried to keep in contact with...

Eh...I'm still working on it...but I think I've made some decent headway...I got a lot of data already, and they have a nice sense of humor.

But that doesn't matter that much, I still have to make you fall in love with me :P.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 13, 2009, 07:16:03 PM
Heh, as for your fetishes, I share a couple of those...well...the first one I wouldn't mind having done unto me to be honest...

So I heard. Still, I'm a little wary of myself thinking like that... it could certainly be worse, though.

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I run quickly ^-^

Unfortunately, sometimes this isn't an option. But that's probably the excess of media exposure speaking.

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elaborate?

Habits from dom/sub social 'mis'treatment are much subtler than the physical parts, making them much more difficult to consciously/actively notice should they leak into other aspects of life. But the effects they have on interactions are real and can be detrimental.

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Well, being leashed and acting as furniture is just fun. I like being leashed...it's fun. But as for the other stuff, very few masters would inflict that on a submissive unless the submissive enjoyed it, which not many do I don't think. Also the fact that the masters that would are probably not very good.

Mmm, that's a good way to put it. I don't have any strong objection to those first parts, but I don't think I'd be comfortable being involved with them.

On the paranoia side, though, sometimes a master can get worse... and what then?

Ah, yes, there's two more borderline examples: 'public use' and (mock) rape. The former is just risky, but the latter... not good to encourage.

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Eh...I'm still working on it...but I think I've made some decent headway...I got a lot of data already, and they have a nice sense of humor.

Thems was good times.

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But that doesn't matter that much, I still have to make you fall in love with me :P.

On that count, I think you were doing better earlier in the thread...
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 13, 2009, 07:30:27 PM
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So I heard. Still, I'm a little wary of myself thinking like that... it could certainly be worse, though.

There are ways I can be come inside without necessarily risking pregnancy.

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Unfortunately, sometimes this isn't an option. But that's probably the excess of media exposure speaking.

In all seriousness, I've been through enough to know how to escape and when to stop provoking. Sometimes in harder ways than others

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Habits from dom/sub social 'mis'treatment are much subtler than the physical parts, making them much more difficult to consciously/actively notice should they leak into other aspects of life. But the effects they have on interactions are real and can be detrimental.

Eh, possibly. But I've always noticed when I'm about to make a mistake like that so I'm pretty sure I can remain aware of the problems.

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Mmm, that's a good way to put it. I don't have any strong objection to those first parts, but I don't think I'd be comfortable being involved with them.

On the paranoia side, though, sometimes a master can get worse... and what then?

Paranoia is countered by the fact I can leave at any time. It's a level outside the heiarchy. My choice to leave ALWAYS exists.

AS for not wanting to do those things...that's alright...I'm willing to please you in any way that YOU want :P

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Ah, yes, there's two more borderline examples: 'public use' and (mock) rape. The former is just risky, but the latter... not good to encourage.

The former is not one you can really do, I grant, without some VERY strict guidelines in place. I'm VERY conscious of disease in this world so I wouldn't accept such an order without those guidelines. As for the latter...even mostly vanilla couples do that. There is a DIFFERENCE between fantasy and reality.

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On that count, I think you were doing better earlier in the thread...

Oh, I was? What changed?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 13, 2009, 07:49:04 PM
There are ways I can be come inside without necessarily risking pregnancy.

Thank goodness for modern loopholes. However, this does not negate the shamefulness/selfishness of my own preferences on the genetic level, which is what upsets me.

Shut up second head

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In all seriousness, I've been through enough to know how to escape and when to stop provoking. Sometimes in harder ways than others

Yeah... I'm really just being paranoid. But.

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Eh, possibly. But I've always noticed when I'm about to make a mistake like that so I'm pretty sure I can remain aware of the problems.

If you say so...

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Paranoia is countered by the fact I can leave at any time. It's a level outside the heiarchy. My choice to leave ALWAYS exists.

Good. That calms many fears... aside from possible prevention of that if they go off the deep end. But yeah.

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AS for not wanting to do those things...that's alright...I'm willing to please you in any way that YOU want :P

Honestly, I don't think you'd get very much out of it. Like I said, mundane. Leashed part I can fathom getting involved with, but it'd more involve lavishing with pet-styled affection than humiliation.

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The former is not one you can really do, I grant, without some VERY strict guidelines in place. I'm VERY conscious of disease in this world so I wouldn't accept such an order without those guidelines. As for the latter...even mostly vanilla couples do that. There is a DIFFERENCE between fantasy and reality.

I guess I'm not as good at separating the two as I hope... and I think much of my rape objection comes from evo-psych suggesting it being a really nasty loser's strategy for breeding/passing on genes, which just makes it worse in my eyes. But I DID forget that bit with it being fairly common in that survey with a hypothetical situation with most stigma removed... and a motive to do so solely for reproductive reasons. But without that... hmmm. Still really don't like it.

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Oh, I was? What changed?

I've been hoping for you to figure that out on your own, as a primary condition for my concession.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 13, 2009, 07:53:03 PM
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Thank goodness for modern loopholes. However, this does not negate the shamefulness/selfishness of my own preferences on the genetic level, which is what upsets me.

Well, it's not like I'm averse to having children myself...

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Good. That calms many fears... aside from possible prevention of that if they go off the deep end. But yeah.

They wouldn't be my master in the first place

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Honestly, I don't think you'd get very much out of it. Like I said, mundane. Leashed part I can fathom getting involved with, but it'd more involve lavishing with pet-styled affection than humiliation.

But you forget I'm versatile, and mostly derive pleasure from whoever I give myself too

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I guess I'm not as good at separating the two as I hope... and I think much of my rape objection comes from evo-psych suggesting it being a really nasty loser's strategy for breeding/passing on genes, which just makes it worse in my eyes. But I DID forget that bit with it being fairly common in that survey with a hypothetical situation with most stigma removed... and a motive to do so solely for reproductive reasons. But without that... hmmm. Still really don't like it.

To each their own. It has the appeal of powerlessness to me.

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I've been hoping for you to figure that out on your own, as a primary condition for my concession.

What's this? There's a way to make you concede?

I thought it was just gonna be butting heads til the end...
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 13, 2009, 08:18:03 PM
Well, it's not like I'm averse to having children myself...

I'm afraid I AM wary about it, hence my own concerns. A little unusual in that sense, to be sure, but...

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They wouldn't be my master in the first place

More than likely, yeah.

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But you forget I'm versatile, and mostly derive pleasure from whoever I give myself too

Fair enough. I'm afraid my style would include asking what you'd want, too, though. It'd be a bit odd.

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To each their own. It has the appeal of powerlessness to me.

I... suppose that's true. Still, it disturbs me a bit.

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What's this? There's a way to make you concede?

I thought it was just gonna be butting heads til the end...

Well, I was planning on it after some of the earlier discussion, but I didn't exactly make it clear. The intended conditions for concession weren't very precise, for that matter, so I'm taking it as more conventionally romantic. I was hoping you'd find it on your own without this much prodding, but after several of the others got explicit about it, I guess it's only fair...

Though I expect you'll be able to find it pretty quickly if you try the right places to look...
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 13, 2009, 08:20:35 PM
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I'm afraid I AM wary about it, hence my own concerns. A little unusual in that sense, to be sure, but...

Sorry, I was emphasizing with your "genetic selfishness"

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Well, I was planning on it after some of the earlier discussion, but I didn't exactly make it clear. The intended conditions for concession weren't very precise, for that matter, so I'm taking it as more conventionally romantic. I was hoping you'd find it on your own without this much prodding, but after several of the others got explicit about it, I guess it's only fair...

Though I expect you'll be able to find it pretty quickly if you try the right places to look...

A worthy trial. See, it's stuff like this that would make you appealing as a master or even a boyfriend. To have me try to figure out what you want myself makes it so much more valuable when you get it ^-^

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I... suppose that's true. Still, it disturbs me a bit.

Well, I won't bring it up then ^-^

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Fair enough. I'm afraid my style would include asking what you'd want, too, though. It'd be a bit odd.

Heehee, then I get the feeling we'd be stepping around a lot like Ana-chan and Nobu :P. It'd be cute at least

Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 13, 2009, 08:24:50 PM
Sorry, I was emphasizing with your "genetic selfishness"

Ah, didn't think of it that way. Guess it goes both ways, really...

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A worthy trial. See, it's stuff like this that would make you appealing as a master or even a boyfriend. To have me try to figure out what you want myself makes it so much more valuable when you get it ^-^

I appear to be not so great at explicitly communicating what I want anyway, sexually or otherwise.

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Heehee, then I get the feeling we'd be stepping around a lot like Ana-chan and Nobu :P. It'd be cute at least

I'm pretty sure our audience has long since tired of our shenanigans. But enough talk, hav(ry
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 13, 2009, 08:29:07 PM
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I'm pretty sure our audience has long since tired of our shenanigans. But enough talk, hav(ry

What is a man? A miserable pile of BULLSHIT THAT'S WHAT HE IS YOU FUCKING ASSSSSSSSSSSSS!

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I appear to be not so great at explicitly communicating what I want anyway, sexually or otherwise.

Heehee...well, hopefully I'd help you find your way :P.

Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 14, 2009, 08:51:16 PM
Looks like we lost. What did you want me to do? And what do you want to know?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 14, 2009, 08:54:36 PM
Hell if I know! I'm just disappointed it's over. :(
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 14, 2009, 09:01:39 PM
Hell if I know! I'm just disappointed it's over. :(

I am as well.

Can you tell me if I'd ever have won, and how so? And when I was making the most progress and how?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 14, 2009, 09:02:09 PM
Oh, my theory is that the BDSM talk was lowering my chances. When I was talking more about you I had a better shot.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 14, 2009, 09:03:32 PM
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Okay, time to come clean here.

UK already had me back at:

Hmm? well, it's intriguing you keep bringing up it's a contest. And don't worry about "doing things I've already done". Repeat performances are always fun ^-^. And if you wouldn't like to take me up on some of my more extreme tastes...it's ok...I'll work at your pace...after all...isn't love understanding your partner and accepting they aren't perfect, yet loving them despite that? I think you'd be very fun to be with, Mus ^-^

I also omitted a line in my chat log:

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(9:50:08 PM) UltrosCMC: How far is this thing supposed to go?  Is cybering next~?
(9:57:45 PM) UltrosCMC: *poke*
(9:57:56 PM) E mouse2000: I'm going to post that.
(9:58:30 PM) E mouse2000: I have shamefully lost in under 24 hours thanks to honesty but your line there is probably worth it.
(9:58:41 PM) UltrosCMC: Heehee.
(9:59:09 PM) UltrosCMC: Let her know your boyfriends looks forward to seeing how it turns out :P
(9:59:12 PM) UltrosCMC: *boyfriend
(9:59:37 PM) E mouse2000: This is both wonderful and terrible.
(10:00:03 PM) UltrosCMC: *lick*  I'm off for a nap.  Enjoy your naughty talk.

:S

In short: I am a complete softie when it comes to quietly affectionate displays.

not-edit: The BDSM stuff was interesting, but more addressing my prejudices than anything... it was probably good to talk about, though.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 14, 2009, 09:05:21 PM
I see. Didn't get me ID though :P, so I didn't push hard enough.

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not-edit: The BDSM stuff was interesting, but more addressing my prejudices than anything... it was probably good to talk about, though.

I agree. Honestly, I wouldn't mind talking to you more after this.

Umu...as for my own honesty...I stretched the truth a little on some of my research.

Only person I talked to is Purvis. He wanted me to play a prank so I did. Oh, by the way, I bet you he already told you, didn't he?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 14, 2009, 09:10:42 PM
I see. Didn't get me ID though :P, so I didn't push hard enough.

Note that I didn't reply to that in the first place. I was stonewalling there, but I later decided a second example was plenty.

My feeble justification was Sana's own shenanigans. :P

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I agree. Honestly, I wouldn't mind talking to you more after this.

Umu...as for my own honesty...I stretched the truth a little on some of my research.

Only person I talked to is Purvis. He wanted me to play a prank so I did. Oh, by the way, I bet you he already told you, didn't he?

No, he hasn't, but that certainly explains why it was all from the old ADV era. Hah.

No, I was hinting at talking with... basically, people here. I'm PRETTY sure I've hinted at that sort of weakness before, among a few IRCers... and it was entirely within your power to accost Ultros. :P
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 14, 2009, 09:14:42 PM
Well, I asked Purvis initially for shutdowns since I was SUPPOSED to be the skirt :P

After seeing that Reimu one with "when you fly" and fully appreciating the layers of it, I wanted to apply some of that wit.

Ended up picking his brain for how to deal with you as a person :P. I was going to talk to Ruro as well but I doubt she'd say anything.

And he did have some stuff from RPGWW actually.

I wasn't lying when I said your character concepts with Jeremy were impressively hilarious.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 14, 2009, 09:35:11 PM
Well, I asked Purvis initially for shutdowns since I was SUPPOSED to be the skirt :P

Shutdowns?

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After seeing that Reimu one with "when you fly" and fully appreciating the layers of it, I wanted to apply some of that wit.

I... don't remember where that came up. Remind me?

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Ended up picking his brain for how to deal with you as a person :P. I was going to talk to Ruro as well but I doubt she'd say anything.

She would have been a much, much better choice in this context, considering much of the pooshlmer antics and... you've seen that image she put together about us that keeps floating around every once in a while?

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And he did have some stuff from RPGWW actually.

Sounds about right. That's basically where we talked. Sort of - most of the group wandered over to the main forum I went to at the time... a later incarnation of which I still check in on regularly. Though I don't really post much there... I'm not very interested in what the main focus of the forum is, now.

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I wasn't lying when I said your character concepts with Jeremy were impressively hilarious.

Nyoro~n. I like that general role reversal, but I did it poorly. And meta? I LOVE meta.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 14, 2009, 09:37:22 PM
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I... don't remember where that came up. Remind me?

Barren Path.

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She would have been a much, much better choice in this context, considering much of the pooshlmer antics and... you've seen that image she put together about us that keeps floating around every once in a while?

I agree she would have been, and I meant to but never got to it. Looks like I was too lazy.

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Sounds about right. That's basically where we talked. Sort of - most of the group wandered over to the main forum I went to at the time... a later incarnation of which I still check in on regularly. Though I don't really post much there... I'm not very interested in what the main focus of the forum is, now.

Ah, I see.

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Nyoro~n. I like that general role reversal, but I did it poorly. And meta? I LOVE meta.

Which is why you NEED to read Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid.

It's like, MADE for you.

Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 14, 2009, 09:41:32 PM
Barren Path.

...... damnit, and the very first thread of that must be gone now. :<

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I agree she would have been, and I meant to but never got to it. Looks like I was too lazy.

:V I'm actually a bit surprised you interrogated Purvis at the very start of this, as I think you implied.

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Which is why you NEED to read Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid.

It's like, MADE for you.

I'm going to try to pace myself on distractions until after the thesis... though then I'll have to panic over things like finding a job... :S
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 14, 2009, 09:43:16 PM
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...... damnit, and the very first thread of that must be gone now. :<

Wasn't it archived?

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I'm actually a bit surprised you interrogated Purvis at the very start of this, as I think you implied.

Like I said, it was merely for shutdowns. I had NO idea you two had a connection that deep

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I'm going to try to pace myself on distractions until after the thesis... though then I'll have to panic over things like finding a job... :S

Is this why I never see you on IRC anymore?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 14, 2009, 09:45:25 PM
Wasn't it archived?

No, not the first thread. I think it was lost in the first CPMC wipe. Unless it got moved to Unlimited Game Works and I didn't notice?

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Like I said, it was merely for shutdowns. I had NO idea you two had a connection that deep

Well, as I kept bragging about bringing him here, even though we've barely talked for years...

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Is this why I never see you on IRC anymore?

A large part of it. Even though most of what I've been doing with the time spent not chatting is mope around. :(
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 14, 2009, 09:46:15 PM
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No, not the first thread. I think it was lost in the first CPMC wipe. Unless it got moved to Unlimited Game Works and I didn't notice?

Might have. IT SHOULD have been archived.

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Well, as I kept bragging about bringing him here, even though we've barely talked for years...

Oh wow.

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A large part of it. Even though most of what I've been doing with the time spent not chatting is mope around.

Aww...chat more! We'll cheer you up!
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 14, 2009, 09:51:39 PM
Might have. IT SHOULD have been archived.

Indeed :(

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Aww...chat more! We'll cheer you up!

I do have an awfully bad habit about moping in despair, but whenever I want to talk about it I just feel like I'm being an attention/affection whore :< And being uncomfortable with how far I'd want to take things...
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 14, 2009, 09:52:17 PM
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I do have an awfully bad habit about moping in despair, but whenever I want to talk about it I just feel like I'm being an attention/affection whore :< And being uncomfortable with how far I'd want to take things...

Hmm? how do you mean this? And don't worry about talking about it...
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 14, 2009, 10:01:30 PM
Hmm? how do you mean this? And don't worry about talking about it...

... I can be a bit all-or-nothing about relationships, and end up having unrealistic fantasies that I don't like having, on a meta level, since I should really know better than to expect it to actually happen. Or even think about it. An invitation for disappointment.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 14, 2009, 10:02:46 PM
... I can be a bit all-or-nothing about relationships, and end up having unrealistic fantasies that I don't like having, on a meta level, since I should really know better than to expect it to actually happen. Or even think about it. An invitation for disappointment.

That's a depressing way to look at it. Do you have any separations of levels for relationships?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 14, 2009, 10:08:18 PM
It tends to boil down to indifferent/chatting buddies/LUST. :/ Between those I get confused and uncomfortable - especially displays of physical affection. I pretty much never experienced that before getting to see Ultros, and, well...
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 14, 2009, 10:19:44 PM
It tends to boil down to indifferent/chatting buddies/LUST. :/ Between those I get confused and uncomfortable - especially displays of physical affection. I pretty much never experienced that before getting to see Ultros, and, well...

I see. We really need to work on getting you levels between chatting buddies and lust :P
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 14, 2009, 10:22:49 PM
And I... have nothing to counter that with. :x
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 14, 2009, 10:27:38 PM
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And I... have nothing to counter that with. :x

"Ok kitty-chan~!"

Maybe?

No?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 14, 2009, 10:28:45 PM
And I don't act on that lust without explicit permission. :V
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 14, 2009, 10:30:10 PM
And I don't act on that lust without explicit permission. :V

Well of course. Dunno how that came into question?
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 14, 2009, 10:32:48 PM
... oh. Misread it as "Oh, kitty-chan~" so I thought that was a little more, well, intrusive than intended.

drep
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 14, 2009, 10:33:38 PM
... oh. Misread it as "Oh, kitty-chan~" so I thought that was a little more, well, intrusive than intended.

drep

Haha, if you WANT to say that I wouldn't mind but I don't really expect it.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 14, 2009, 11:21:37 PM
I'm tired. Bug me to get on IRC tomorrow if I don't show up on my own...
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 14, 2009, 11:24:23 PM
I'm tired. Bug me to get on IRC tomorrow if I don't show up on my own...
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ok then
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 15, 2009, 08:23:11 PM
Why are you not on IRC Mouse? You said you would be on IRC!
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 20, 2009, 02:05:32 AM
Depression sucks just FYI
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 20, 2009, 02:16:53 AM
Depression sucks just FYI

I'm aware in my own way. Sorry.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 20, 2009, 02:20:18 AM
Meh. It's really my own damn fault for getting afraid and worried over stupid things like failing to be externally entertaining here and feeling guilty about various other crap. We discussed some of that much already.

Of course, the real question is whether I'm actually depressed or using it as an excuse to be a worthless scumbag! Ugh.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 20, 2009, 02:34:41 AM
Meh. It's really my own damn fault for getting afraid and worried over stupid things like failing to be externally entertaining here and feeling guilty about various other crap. We discussed some of that much already.

Of course, the real question is whether I'm actually depressed or using it as an excuse to be a worthless scumbag! Ugh.

I wish I could help you...I'm always willing to listen and talk, Mouse...

Even if we aren't lovers...we can be close friends if you'd like.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 20, 2009, 04:44:02 AM
I'm much more secretive than I'd like to be, especially about depressing topics. It's just attention whoring and me being unable to handle my own emotions. :/
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: UncertainJakutten on October 20, 2009, 01:41:15 PM
I'm much more secretive than I'd like to be, especially about depressing topics. It's just attention whoring and me being unable to handle my own emotions. :/

It's not attention whoring if you tell someone who asks to listen.
Title: Re: UK and E-Mouse
Post by: E-Nazrin on October 20, 2009, 08:37:10 PM
... touche.