Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 11F

[Murakumo]

Hello, I'm new here.

I want to ask how work Parsee Large Box and Small Box. After Komachi/Kaguya/Kogasa debuff/ailments this spell does the greatest damage in my party or nothing at all.  Is it random or what?

[Xarizzar]

I am very curious about the last two awakening stones as well... First off, are we sure they're obtainable in 1.130?

[MysTeariousYukari]

I am very curious about the last two awakening stones as well... First off, are we sure they're obtainable in 1.130?

I actually decided to dink around with that a bit... Using Cheat Engine to get the 12+ Stones does NOT actually trigger the achievement for having 12... If all 12 are currently available, then the achievement is glitched and not being reported due to being hard to figure out. That, or all 12 are not available yet, and thus why the achievement doesn't work.

[Krimmydoodle]

For that matter, how are the known 10 found?  Were they at obvious points in the game, or just randomly scattered in treasure boxes?  I don't even know when I got any of them, I'd just randomly check back at the library and "oh hey I got another one somewhere" without actually knowing.

[RegalStar]

They're found in chests.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Hello, I'm new here.

I want to ask how work Parsee Large Box and Small Box. After Komachi/Kaguya/Kogasa debuff/ailments this spell does the greatest damage in my party or nothing at all.  Is it random or what?

This is likely caused by 2 abilities she has. Ability to Manipulate Jealousy makes her grow stronger and stronger for every unit, friend or foe, that has a debuff, while Final Blow makes her deal as much as 32% more damage if the target has an ailment.

Depending on how severe the difference is, I might suspect that Large Box and Small Box has a formula with high damage multipliers, but comparatively low stat multipliers, much like Killing Doll from the first Labyrinth game.

[Serela]

It may be a joy for beating bosses, but spending ten minutes to set up a party before anything significant isn't very joyful at all.

Eh, you shouldn't need to respec an entire party before doing things. Probably a few key members.

Like, there's plenty of characters with good exploration passives (things that recover mp when enemies die for example) but it's not something you want around in a boss fight; and you can spec your support characters for offense if they have good options for it.

I guess later in the game it becomes progressively more of an effort, though, as you start having to respec subclasses too, and have more numbers to reapply to skills and stats... buh.

The thing is, the other option would be you can't respec your party members at all without taking a significant Experience hit.

[Anima Zero]

Explored the rest of 5F today, taking out the main boss of it,

Spoiler:

Hina

.  Took a couple of tries to get past her, but she went down and got added to the party.

Explored what I could of 6F, taking out another boss to acquire

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Utsuho

, then running back to

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Satori

to pick her up finally.

Then...I boosted up

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Hina's

stats something fierce (http://imageshack.us/a/img716/4336/dpf3.jpg), went to find a Six-Eyed Serpent,  got her debuffed (With the proper passive skills to take advantage of her being debuffed), and...

http://imageshack.us/a/img11/639/z7dr.jpg

Holy wow, that's insane, heh.

Need to get some grinding done.  Partly to get the funds for that 30k item and partly so

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Yuugi

doesn't own my face as quickly.

Time for a silly question...on 5F, there's an event involving Reimu & Marisa (Want to say it's on the SE side roughly?), but the red circle doesn't go away after the scene.  Is this one of those events needing BP to clear or is it something else?

[ViciousYukkuri]

Explored the rest of 5F today, taking out the main boss of it,

Spoiler:

Hina

.  Took a couple of tries to get past her, but she went down and got added to the party.

Explored what I could of 6F, taking out another boss to acquire

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Utsuho

, then running back to

Spoiler:

Satori

to pick her up finally.

Then...I boosted up

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Hina's

stats something fierce (http://imageshack.us/a/img716/4336/dpf3.jpg), went to find a Six-Eyed Serpent,  got her debuffed (With the proper passive skills to take advantage of her being debuffed), and...

http://imageshack.us/a/img11/639/z7dr.jpg

Holy wow, that's insane, heh.

Need to get some grinding done.  Partly to get the funds for that 30k item and partly so

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Yuugi

doesn't own my face as quickly.

Time for a silly question...on 5F, there's an event involving Reimu & Marisa (Want to say it's on the SE side roughly?), but the red circle doesn't go away after the scene.  Is this one of those events needing BP to clear or is it something else?

Holy crap. I might have to seriously consider using

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Hina

on my next playthrough.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure that event is one of the ones for

Spoiler:

Yuuka

, specifically, its Wriggle's event.


E: This just in. You do NOT need Wriggle for

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Mokou's

battle to come up. Its probably safe to assume Wriggle has nothing to do with her recruitment. The key is talking to Reisen on 3F. And probably talking to Eirin on 2F. And defeating Kaguya.
E2: Okay, you still need Wriggle for the recruitment. Just not for the battle.

[ShinyMoogle]

And now some questions:
Around how much BP is needed for

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Okuu

to finish her event towards recruiting

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Yuuka

? I swear I've been using her as much as I've been using

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Nazrin

for getting

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Byakuren

and I still can't clear the event.

I ran into the same problem myself, racking up something like 1,200 BP on

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Okuu

and still not finishing the event. Then I took a look at the Japanese wiki.

It turns out that

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Okuu

only needs 120 BP. Minoriko, on the other hand, needs 200. Description on Touhouwiki seems to imply that you only need BP for each individual character, but you'll need BP for Minoriko for each event (Cirno's requires 400).

Many facepalms were had.

[Sungho]

I want to ask how work Parsee Large Box and Small Box. After Komachi/Kaguya/Kogasa debuff/ailments this spell does the greatest damage in my party or nothing at all.  Is it random or what?

It randomly becomes a very strong attack, probability depending on SLv and 'current battle circumstances'.
I do not yet know exactly what adds to probability.

It would have been much better if you can just distribute and recollect skill points and level-up bonuses freely.
Having to reset everything and assign them again is just dumb.

[MysTeariousYukari]

Spoiler:

Byakuren

you... you crazy girl... you crazy If she uses her

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Sutra Scroll - Duplicating Chant, that "replace ally buffs/debuffs with what Byakuren has"

on herself instead of an ally, she will

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DOUBLE HER OWN BUFFS! Yeah, this is no joke o___o A few times now, she was above 50% buffs, used her Sutra Scroll - Duplicating Chant on herself, and she jumped to +100% on all stats.

It might require a leveled form of the spell, but that is just crazy.

Preeeeeeeetty sure the dev(s) were madly in love with her when they designed her spells can skills.

Edit: Just tested it out a bit more.

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Byakuren had +20% everything at the time. She uses Sutra Scroll - Duplicating Chant on herself, and when I check her buffs using someone else and Form Change, she was at +76% Attack, +48% Mind(because Keine) and +40% everything else. Attack went up nearly 4x, everything else was 2x as expected.

This is just nuts

[ViciousYukkuri]

Spoiler:

Byakuren

you... you crazy girl... you crazy If she uses her

Spoiler:

Sutra Scroll - Duplicating Chant, that "replace ally buffs/debuffs with what Byakuren has"

on herself instead of an ally, she will

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DOUBLE HER OWN BUFFS! Yeah, this is no joke o___o A few times now, she was above 50% buffs, used her Sutra Scroll - Duplicating Chant on herself, and she jumped to +100% on all stats.

It might require a leveled form of the spell, but that is just crazy.

Preeeeeeeetty sure the dev(s) were madly in love with her when they designed her spells can skills.

I just tested this. It requires a leveled form of the spell to double her own, and it more than doubles her attack (the buff jumped from +20% to +76%). But still, what in the name of...

This has never been so relevant, ever.

[Wymar]

Some trashmobs on 3F nuked my party for over 1k damage. Was I just unlucky or do they really have literal nukes at their disposal?

[MewMewHeart]

Does ANYONE know how to defeat Mokou... I can never get pass her 1100 self-heal even if I poison her with Wriggle, damage her with Aya's second attack, debuff her with Kasen and land a lucky PAR on her, debuff her with Komachi, and hit her with Marisa?

[Pesco]

Rumia's pretty good for damage too. She can do more than Marisa even though her mag is a little lower. If you skilled Rumia for her bonus vs humans, she can easily be mvp.

[ViciousYukkuri]

Does ANYONE know how to defeat Mokou... I can never get pass her 1100 self-heal even if I poison her with Wriggle, damage her with Aya's second attack, debuff her with Kasen and land a lucky PAR on her, debuff her with Komachi, and hit her with Marisa?

Are you simply underleveled? I mean, with Wriggle's poison, her regen almost becomes a non-issue. Just keep piling on the poison and speed debuffs while attacking. Cirno is actually good for this battle because she can do a pretty good amount of damage and slow at the same time here. Save Marisa for a Master Spark after Mokou dies. She resurrects and attempts to nuke you, but Komachi with fire resist should be able to survive. After that, switch in Marisa, Master Spark and you've won. Having Rumia and her anti-human skill helps a ton, too.

Some trashmobs on 3F nuked my party for over 1k damage. Was I just unlucky or do they really have literal nukes at their disposal?

Raspberries. They do that. Usually it only does squat for damage, but rarely it will do 1k, so you simply got unlucky.

Spoiler:

'Nam flashbacks of grapes on 16F-18F.

[MewMewHeart]

Are you simply underleveled? I mean, with Wriggle's poison, her regen almost becomes a non-issue. Just keep piling on the poison and speed debuffs while attacking. Cirno is actually good for this battle because she can do a pretty good amount of damage and slow at the same time here. Save Marisa for a Master Spark after Mokou dies. She resurrects and attempts to nuke you, but Komachi with fire resist should be able to survive. After that, switch in Marisa, Master Spark and you've won. Having Rumia and her anti-human skill helps a ton, too.

Shit... that means I need to get skill points for Rumia's anti-human skill then.

[Sahgren]

Nitori should be able to deal sizeable chunks of damage to Mokou. Her first spell is Cold element, so you'll have someone other than Cirno to abuse that weakness. Her third spell, if you give her the mana to use it, can also help burst her down after she resurrects in case Marisa manages to miss the Master Spark.

Edit: The in game bestiary claims that she's weak to terror. Kogasa could be a strong, consistent damage dealer with another Cold attack (her third one) if you gave her Troubled Forgotten Item and Ability to Sense Fear in Humans.

Edit 2: Just realized that Troubled Forgotten Item + Ability to Sense Fear in Humans require 22 points, which would require you to be quite over-leveled. Aim for Troubled Forgotten Item since it buffs her and rely on her other attacks to apply terror.

[Wymar]

Raspberries. They do that. Usually it only does squat for damage, but rarely it will do 1k, so you simply got unlucky.

Spoiler:

'Nam flashbacks of grapes on 16F-18F.

Sonova. I hate it when the RNG is a dick. What are they weak against?

[MewMewHeart]

Nitori should be able to deal sizeable chunks of damage to Mokou. Her first spell is Cold element, so you'll have someone other than Cirno to abuse that weakness. Her third spell, if you give her the mana to use it, can also help burst her down after she resurrects in case Marisa manages to miss the Master Spark.

Looks like I gotta train my ass off then.

Edit: Nevermind, TOME OF REINCARNATION FTW! Now to set Rumia up to hit harder.

[homing curvy laser]

Excuse me, wiki, but

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Ran

actually hits really damn hard. And she's really fast even without buffs, too. And debuffing her got me nowhere.
In the end, the only way I found to beat her was killing all the helpers before she got a second turn, with Nitori and Patchouli. Seeing that much damage (thanks Iku and Keine!) was fun.

[Sahgren]

Sonova. I hate it when the RNG is a dick. What are they weak against?

They're weak to Cold and kinda weak to Physical. Fire and Nature aren't too bright of an idea though. Ailment wise, they're a bit more susceptible to Death than usual.

[Wymar]

Aight, thanks. Looks like it'll be Kogasa's time to pick on somebody.

[MewMewHeart]

Fuck yea!

Thanks everyone! I gotta say maxing Komachi's counter and debuffing her with Kasen and Komachi herself sealed my victory with Rumia's Moonlight Ray. Also, Wriggle's Kodoku Queen did the trick too, although she killed Marisa, I'm satisfied for getting a victory in even though Minoriko sacrificed herself to heal Komachi. 

Thanks Sahgren also for suggesting Cirno for the fight, I got a few kicks out of stacking the AGI debuff that Kasen's 1st attack applied.

Victory is mine Mokou!

[Majildian]

Eh, you shouldn't need to respec an entire party before doing things. Probably a few key members.

It's possible to clear the game at recommended levels or lower without respeccing at all, though I haven't tried the high level FOE yet.

[Xarizzar]

Hmm... Actually, I'm kind of curious. What exactly does Wriggle's Poison depend on...?

[MewMewHeart]

Hmm... Actually, I'm kind of curious. What exactly does Wriggle's Poison depend on...?

I'll take a wild guess and say... Attack, someone correct if I'm wrong on this one.

Edit: I'm sure glad I maxed

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Kaguya's Nation of the Noble Moon

because it's just helping me alot with sweeping.

[Wymar]

Last game,it depended on her level. This time it's probably no different.

[Sahgren]

I'm tempted to say that Wriggle's poison is actually just level dependent. Or if it is dependent on an offensive stat, it isn't enough for them to even justify giving her offensive stat boosters in her skills.

Edit: I think I'm gonna cry. I didn't realize that the final boss

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is weak to poison. Y'know, cause it's a freakin' talking inanimate object. I went from trying to figure out why people were calling him easy to steamrolling him.

What to do next? Vicious is already doing the synergy run, so I have to figure out some other challenge for rerunning the game. I guess I could just do no Komachi/Aya/Bykauren since those three just kinda carried me through everything.