Touhou: Awareness of Color Mafia. Game Over

[Conqueror]

Conqueror, do you have to use the ability you copied in the next night or can you copy another one?

Both. I can copy a new ability and use the one I copied the night before. Although I can only use the latest copied ability.

[Massaca]

Do they both have to be on the same target?

[Conqueror]

nah. Last night I copied Oarfish and used Polaris' ability on BT.

[Massaca]

Huh, interesting.

[Massaca]

Oarfish, Zak claimed Komachi.


Just go over this and tell me why it's wrong.

Raikaria QT'd SB
SB saw Zak kill Moridin
Zak killed Moridin
I copped Polaris
Polaris gapped Affinity but failed due to questionmarks
Conqueror mindread Oarfish and blocked BT

Oarfish supposedly froze Serela and supposedly got shot/hit/whatevs

Bardiche did something for science?
BT? Got blocked?
Serela did something scummy (supposedly not the kill despite the flavour) but supposedly got blocked.
Affinity? Ascetic?


So assuming Oarfish is telling the truth about dying, Polaris is telling the truth about targetting and failing on Affinity and Conqueror is truthful about blocking BT then the scum kill had to have come from either Bardiche or Affinity?

[Conqueror]

I think the scumkill came from Serela and Oarfish's roleblock didn't go through for some reason.

[Conqueror]

EBWOP: Since Serela legit seemed to have no idea that Oarfish targeted him last night. Compared to him blurting out that oarfish blocked him n1.

[BT]

Conq
Massaca
SB

One of these is probably scum infoperson. Conq, how  can you use two night actions at the same time?

Voteblocking, uh, SB. Getting it in before hammer.

[Conqueror]

Because my role allows me to? :V
(You'll note there's no rule against it)

[BT]

06. Everyone is compulsive and can use only one night action during the night, unless specified otherwise.

Unless specified otherwise. Okay then.

[BT]

I question the point of that rule if it can just be handwaved like that though.

[Conqueror]

Oh, I missed that part. Well, "unless specified otherwise" implies that the possibility is there, at least. Either you believe me or you don't.

[Raikaria]

If Serela is actually vengeful and eats whoever hammers who's gonna hammer?

I personally don't want to lose my quicktopic and everything. Kinda vanishes when I die. And my QT is USEFUL.

I guess we should make someone who isn't clear hammer. Maybe Massaca.

And wait SB isn't cleared? Right.

[Conqueror]

Uh, Serela claimed scum so I wouldn't really worry about him being actual vengeful. Scum supersaint is, well, dumb.

[Raikaria]

So is town reportstealer miller.

[Raikaria]

So is town reportstealer miller.

Who dies if Docced.

[Massaca]

If Conqueror and I live through the night he could prove it then by copying me and freezing someone else.

[SB]

I'm pretty sure if I had scumbuddies to share my reports with, I would've noticed Raikaria not showing up on my watcher reports before. I don't really think it's Conq either from play either. I seriously think we should just massclaim at this point and break the game on roles. Scum is going to have a hard time killing when they have to go through Oarfish/Bard and me using Rawr's track.

I wouldn't say scum Vengeful is impossible here but Conq is apparently bulletproof anyway so he can just hammer it, right? That's practically another clear if Serela DOES flip vengeful since Schezo had the scum!Doc iirc.

[Conqueror]

(It's a modified bulletproof that protects against ability x. So if Serela is a scum supersaint and that ability is x then yes I would survive it)

[Massaca]

Oarfish apparently revives so he should hammer.

[Conqueror]

me using Rawr's track.

er, what?

[Massaca]

Probably the opposite of Rawr's role?

[O4rfish]

Massafect outed Polaris as ITP, so either they're the two last scum, or Massaca really is a cop
and Scum Cop would be pointless even with all these ITP, so Massaca is fairly clear.

[SB]

I already said, I have the opposite of Rawr's role. When one of us dies at night the other can use their investigation, so I can choose between tracking and watching. Mine is probably better normally but the sheer number of ways to catch or interfere with the kill might make tracking worth it?

Alternatively I just watch Zak, I guess.

[CF7]

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Votes.
Conqueror (1): Everyone's Grudge.
Zakeri (2): SB, Raikaria                                 
Serela (5) Just, Polaris, O4rfish, Affinity, Serela   L-1

Not voting.
Zakeri, Massaca, Conqueror, BT,

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to lynch someone.

[Conqueror]

Ohhh. I forgot about that part of rawr's role.

[Raikaria]

I'm pretty sure if I had scumbuddies to share my reports with, I would've noticed Raikaria not showing up on my watcher reports before. I don't really think it's Conq either from play either. I seriously think we should just massclaim at this point and break the game on roles. Scum is going to have a hard time killing when they have to go through Oarfish/Bard and me using Rawr's track.

I wouldn't say scum Vengeful is impossible here but Conq is apparently bulletproof anyway so he can just hammer it, right? That's practically another clear if Serela DOES flip vengeful since Schezo had the scum!Doc iirc.

Except surely both you and Conq cannot be town at this point? We have quite a lot of clears at this point [Ok we just really have O4rfish until scum post restrict flips] or 'might as well be clears' like Affinity and myself.

Oarfish apparently revives so he should hammer.

Might be oneshot; might be night only. Who knows.

er, what?

Er, what indeed.

We should deal with Serela today however. Worry about everyone else afterwards. We have a lot of informational night actions apparently. I honestly think those are more useful than any discussion at this precise time.
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Also why didn't we cotton on that a less-waffly Serela was scum earlier?

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I'm cut so much~

[O4rfish]

I think the scumkill came from Serela and Oarfish's roleblock didn't go through for some reason.
Since Serela legit seemed to have no idea that Oarfish targeted him last night. Compared to him blurting out that oarfish blocked him n1.

Yeah, this sounds right.

Still want flavor claims from BT and Massafect.

Raikaria: a claim of Saint under duress generally means Scum Notsaint.

[Raikaria]

Actually can someone more competant than me make a list of who is not clear/semi clear at this point? I need this sort of thing to decide who to invite to my quicktopic tonight.

BT is Mystia.

[SB]

I don't see why Conq and I can't both be town here? I mean, it's not impossible that he's scum but unless it's PoE I probably wouldn't vote that way?

What was the logic for Affinity!clear again?