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ZUN surprised most people again. While probably half the universe was speculating on Touhou 13, our Hakurei Priest actually announces a Shameimaru comeback.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/23mnfxu.jpg)
That is right folks, Aya is back with Shoot The Bullet style game, going by the version 12.5 and carrying the name: 東方Project 第12.5弾 ダブルスポイラー ～ 東方文花帖 (wish I could read japanese). Of course as BunBunMaru I will have to get my hands on it and write an article about it eventually. Oh right, I also hope that this game leads to Perfect Memento in Strict Sense II and Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red II. Now that would be awesome.
RELEASE DAY UPDATE! Confirmed girls so far:
Shizuha
Minoriko
Parsee
Hina
Kogasa
Kisume
Yamame
Nitori
Momizi
Ichirin/Unzan
Murasa
Suika
Yuugi
Nazrin
Shou
Rin
Utsuho
Satori
Koishi
Tenshi
Iku
Kanako
Suwako
Byakuren
Nue
Reimu
Marisa
Sanae
New girl: Hatate Himekaidou
Here is the translation for ZUN's announcement:
Translation by: Nazerine (http://nazerine.deviantart.com/journal/30667342/).
Touhou Project 12.5 Double Spoiler ~ Touhou Bunkachou (StB)
Right now, I'll give you a behind-the-scenes look at this, the second StB.
The people who think "I don't need any new story or plot development. I want something I can play during my lunch break" find themselves enjoying longer games as well, when they play them, so they can be bullied with danmaku.
If I had to describe the game in one sentence, it would be something like "Shameimaru Aya, the Tengu reporter, obstinately captures Youkai, humans, and others with her camera, and creates overblown dramas to put in her newspaper."
The Tengu can cut away danmaku by capturing it in her camera. Using that, she can find ways to avoid her enemies' carefully-prepared danmaku patterns, giving the game something of a puzzle feel.
This game will have completely new characters and scenes from the previous Bunkachou, Shoot the Bullet. The finished product will be sold at the Shanghai Alice booth at Reitaisai (planned to be ?1000). Anyone who's interested, please come!
I'm feeling better about a lot of things.
Below are screenshots.
(These shots were taken during the making process.)
*Warning: Compared to the other works in the series, the difficulty level of this game in terms of full completion is rather high, so be prepared.
Start hiding your ecchi/H collection. Secure your bank accounts. Do not make any phonecalls for the time being. Cause Shameimaru Aya is on you all. Ayayayayayayayaya.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2qiv2pf.png)
-Helepolis
Source: http://kourindou.exblog.jp/ and his twitter: http://twitter.com/korindo
Trouble shooting for Vista & 7 users
People who are complaining about being unable to find their replay folder on Vista or Win7
Make sure Hidden folders are visible. C:\ -> Users -> Your account -> AppData -> Roaming -> Shanghai Alice.
To show folders (if you are not charismatic) Control panel -> Folder options -> View tab -> Show hidden folders.
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[size=9]HAHAHA FUCK YES
IN YOUR FACE EVERYONE ELSE[/size]
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東方文花帖: it's just touhoubunkachou again. that was the title on StB, and BAiJR too.
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Maybe two Touhou games this year? As the first bunkachou took him like two months to make. At least, he should release a new book.
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This is just...
...what a shock to me at least.
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This is the worst announcement since... well, Touhou 9.5.
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Maybe two Touhou games this year? As the first bunkachou took him like two months to make. At least, he should release a new book.
that's what I think. there's just going to be a new Phantasmagoria announced later.
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i wonder who the final boss will be... it might be tenshi or iku... as they were the only characters not appearing in a danmaku game. like shiki and komachi
*hopes that pc-98 characters return*
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--Reserved for Ruro's orgasm :V--
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Huzzah~! I was never any good at the original, but I always liked the idea... Also in before Rurorgasm.
Ahem~
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Running the article through Google Translate, it looks like this is sort of an StB remake. Refurbish old characters, add new characters and so on.
Also the release at Reitaisai seems like it'll be the full game, not a demo. So there may still be a 13 on the cards...though it's not like ZUN to be so productive keep it under wraps. :/
Still sort of disappointed he's going back to StB - it doesn't come across as the sort of idea you could make more than one game out of. Eh, guess Reitaisai will reveal all.
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I see nobody here actually cares about the mystery shrouding all the characters that have been introduced after MoF. I must be one of the few that actually care about the background story and profile of each character. There for a PMiSSII / BAiJRII could be arriving around the corner. Especially because 9.5 also covered all EoSD to PoFV chars (including IaMP).
My opinion but if you only care about overhyping speculations about Th13 then I am wondering what kind of Touhou fan you might be? Really, that is just bad imo. Also so many raging on going on IRC and forums now.
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What, Helepolis. I CRAVE for something like PMiSS2! Or BAiJR. Or even CoLA!
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I see nobody here actually cares about the mystery shrouding all the characters that have been introduced after MoF. I must be one of the few that actually care about the background story and profile of each character. There for a PMiSSII / BAiJRII could be arriving around the corner. Especially because 9.5 also covered all EoSD to PoFV chars (including IaMP).
Except that, well, he DIDN'T announce PMiSSII. He announced a sequel to a game which he didn't properly finish in the first place. Where are those Phantasm stages, again?
What's the Japanese response to this, anyway? Obviously the entire Western fandom (save the Aya fans) is descending into raeg.
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We already established that Touhou 13 will come this year, maybe winter instead of summer. There is no need for raeging.
SO CALM THE FUCK DOWN!
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Only thing I can hope is that ZUN doesn't make Touhou 13 a Phantasmagoria. :|
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This is my reaction.
FUCK. LONG-HAIRED. AYA.
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YEAAH!~ StB.2
This is what I hoped to see. 12.3 just didn't look like a number chosen just for fun. Their had to be a 12.5 or 12.7 after it.
I never liked Aya much but always liked StB because it's time consuming, good practice and 100% rage inducing!
Let's get the spells rolling ZUN! Heart Bullets, Suns, Anchors, I'll take them all again~
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This is my reaction.
FUCK. LONG-HAIRED. AYA.
With pleasure~ Mmmm, long hair~<3
Uh... Ahem~
Now, hopefully we'll also get another Phantasmagoria game sometime soon... Then everything would be just wonderful, ufufu~
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New game. Cool story, nice work ZUN.
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Thread reached unprecedented levels: 7 colours of motk detected.
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2qteaoj.png)
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I liked StB, insofar...
YAY, new Touhou game!
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Thread reached unprecedented levels: 7 colours of motk detected.
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2qteaoj.png)
Missing my kind of blue here.
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We already established that Touhou 13 will come this year, maybe winter instead of summer.
Where did we find this out? It's just theories atm, ZUN hasn't announced anything.
Anyway, by now my initial fanraeg has just about dissipated. Apologies for my initial being pissed, I'll probably accept this game with open arms like everyone else.
How is the camera gonna work in this one, anyway? Look at the screenshots on the blog - the shot being taken of Nitori is at some weird angle. Do you get to spin the camera now?
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I see curvy lasers. Fuck. Time to prep rage.
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Btw,
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2419kba.png) --> (http://i48.tinypic.com/1sb0yd.png)
RED LENS DETECTED. SPEED OF SNAPSHOTTING INCREASED BY 300%
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Wow. This is the worst announcement in history.
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(http://i50.tinypic.com/23mnfxu.jpg)
...what the hell is up with that flesh-colored blob resting on her leg.
Anyway, this isn't so bad, I guess. Seeing old characters again is fun! And this means a full version release instead of a demo, right?
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Parsee-eared Aya!
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RED LENS DETECTED. SPEED OF SNAPSHOTTING INCREASED BY 300%
That's the only chance I have at beating this game. :V
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Only thing I can hope is that ZUN doesn't make Touhou 13 a Phantasmagoria. :|
it will happen you shall not interfere
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ahahha oh wow did NOT expect that one at all. I'm still at stage 8 Ran/Yuyuko in the first one. dam I'm hoping to beat it but i'm really really stuck.
I'm guessing this game is gonna cover, games 10, 11, 12, and Tenshi/Iku somewhere as well. I can't wait for it even if its hard as hell.
I really hope for another PoFV game though. my friend's and i love playin it together and stuff.
Ya'll go ahead and rage. I'm beatin this game without hesitation and full determination. I don't care what the objective is. victory is mine~ 8)
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There's some nice pictures popping up in Pixiv, I really like this new Aya.
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WAIT.
What the.
I just dreamt of shoot the bullet 2 some weeks ago.
(Also , Aya said screw you slut to Sanae.)
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Another shoot the bullet?
Sounds good.
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There's some nice pictures popping up in Pixiv, I really like this new Aya.
For those interested in more long-hair Aya, just bookmark this (http://www.pixiv.net/tags.php?tag=%E3%83%80%E3%83%96%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9D%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A9%E3%83%BC) and check it out. There've been 2 new pictures since I first found the tag because of how fast Japan moves, so we should have some gorgeous stuff within the next few days~
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Hopefully this just won't be 'STB EXPANSION PACK OH YEAAAHHHH'
Though, sadly, prospects aren't too good.
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Meh. I'll play it 3 times, get frustrated at my lack of dodging skills 20 minutes in, then go back to replaying the other games while I wait for 13. I find it kinda strange that I couldn't stomach anything more than a few sessions of StB yet the way I play through the other games borders on self-schadenfreude. Gameplay mechanics, perhaps?
I see nobody here actually cares about the mystery shrouding all the characters that have been introduced after MoF. I must be one of the few that actually care about the background story and profile of each character. There for a PMiSSII / BAiJRII could be arriving around the corner. Especially because 9.5 also covered all EoSD to PoFV chars (including IaMP).
My opinion but if you only care about overhyping speculations about Th13 then I am wondering what kind of Touhou fan you might be? Really, that is just bad imo. Also so many raging on going on IRC and forums now.
I'd love to have something similar to another PMiSS or BAiJR as I certainly have a number of characters that I'm interested in beyond what was covered in the extra material. It certainly helped develop my favorite characters. As for 12.5 itself? Well, I'm glad other people are happy for it, but that's about all I can say about it.
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Aya violates more girls privacy? sign me up XD
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I actually liked StB, I just got frustrated because I could never ever beat Suika's last 2 cards. They were the only things holding me away from an all-clear ;_;
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Wow. This is the worst announcement in history.
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Hele, you might want to put this up on the top if your looking to place information up on what ZUN said regarding DS.
Touhou Project 12.5 Double Spoiler ~ Touhou Bunkachou (StB)
Right now, I'll give you a behind-the-scenes look at this, the second StB.
The people who think "I don't need any new story or plot development. I want something I can play during my lunch break" find themselves enjoying longer games as well, when they play them, so they can be bullied with danmaku.
If I had to describe the game in one sentence, it would be something like "Shameimaru Aya, the Tengu reporter, obstinately captures Youkai, humans, and others with her camera, and creates overblown dramas to put in her newspaper."
The Tengu can cut away danmaku by capturing it in her camera. Using that, she can find ways to avoid her enemies' carefully-prepared danmaku patterns, giving the game something of a puzzle feel.
This game will have completely new characters and scenes from the previous Bunkachou, Shoot the Bullet. The finished product will be sold at the Shanghai Alice booth at Reitaisai (planned to be ?1000). Anyone who's interested, please come!
I'm feeling better about a lot of things.
So yeah it sounds like this could be rather interesting. Pius what's this? New charaters?
Just what is ZUN planning for this Aya based game?
Anyways translation credit goes to Nazerine (http://"http://nazerine.deviantart.com/journal/30667342/").
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Do x.5 games typically delay the release of his non x.5 games? If not, people saying this is bad news need their head checked.
Of course if it does, I personally am on the fence. I like StB, and I expect to like this one, so I'm not upset, but I also like x.0 games, so it wont be all good.
Still though, I think it's kinda cool.
As for phantasmagoria games... Well the last one did suck. But there is that other split-screen shmup game that you guys seem to agree is great. so maybe he can get it right and pull it off some day? Still though, anybody who thinks StB was worse than the last phantasmagoria, you're a weirdo.
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That's the proof that after ZUN started drawing ears, he won't stop anymore. (That's Sad.)
TH13: Phantasmagoria of Pointy Ears.
Also, Aya's two ears have been added for extra aerodynamics. That's why its named "Double Spoiler".
And that armband... Reality Warper Aya Suzumiya, Brigade Leader. (It really means that.)
My friend brocoli will be really happy. He's Brazil's only StB Specialist. I'm happy too, since it's more official stuff.
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I hope it will have MOMIJI SPELLCARDS!!!
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Aya Suzumiya, the Elf.
Another StB, it isn't odd... but it was unexpected... ZUN surprises.
I was waiting for 12.5, and not 13. Really.
Ah... I believe the next will be a Phantasmagoria.
Anyway, I still have to finish StB.
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And that armband... Reality Warper Aya Suzumiya, Brigade Leader. (It really means that.)
What the hell just happened?
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Come on Ruro, come already, we're waiting for your crazy fangirlism.
Also, it was kinda expected, this game was, IMHO.
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...what the hell is up with that flesh-colored blob resting on her leg.
I think that's a thing called a second leg. Most people have two.
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I was thinking that it was due for a StB after 13, but this works for me.
By the way, waiting for everyone to complain about Orin's cards being bullshit after it's released.
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Pointy Aya Ears!
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Yuck. I hate StB.
And I want new characters that don't suck.
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I am sort of looking forward to this, since once I worked out the patterns, playing StB was fun.
Though, maybe I ought to attempt to finish the first one before this one comes out..
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Pointy Aya Ears!
what the hell man
i thought you were edible
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what the hell man
i thought you were edible
I'm confused now.
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Anyways translation credit goes to Nazerine (http://"http://nazerine.deviantart.com/journal/30667342/").
He/She forgot the bottom bit of the article after the pictures, which said
*Warning: Compared to the other works in the series, the difficulty level of this game in terms of full completion is rather high, so be prepared.
so here's the full thing.
Touhou Project 12.5 Double Spoiler ~ Touhou Bunkachou (StB)
Right now, I'll give you a behind-the-scenes look at this, the second StB.
The people who think "I don't need any new story or plot development. I want something I can play during my lunch break" find themselves enjoying longer games as well, when they play them, so they can be bullied with danmaku.
If I had to describe the game in one sentence, it would be something like "Shameimaru Aya, the Tengu reporter, obstinately captures Youkai, humans, and others with her camera, and creates overblown dramas to put in her newspaper."
The Tengu can cut away danmaku by capturing it in her camera. Using that, she can find ways to avoid her enemies' carefully-prepared danmaku patterns, giving the game something of a puzzle feel.
This game will have completely new characters and scenes from the previous Bunkachou, Shoot the Bullet. The finished product will be sold at the Shanghai Alice booth at Reitaisai (planned to be ¥1000). Anyone who's interested, please come!
I'm feeling better about a lot of things.
Below are screenshots.
(These shots were taken during the making process.)
*Warning: Compared to the other works in the series, the difficulty level of this game in terms of full completion is rather high, so be prepared.
Quite sure that last bit would be rather important for many people.
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LUCARIUS!
Haven't seen you in a while (in fact, haven't talked to you in a while either).
Back and awesome as always. Good job.
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TH13: Phantasmagoria of Pointy Ears.
Playable Characters: Aya and Parsee.
This game will have completely new characters and scenes from the previous Bunkachou, Shoot the Bullet.
Gah, this line is ambiguous. By completely new, does it mean completely new for Touhou, or completely new compared to the last StB? It's a translation so I can't exactly say...:<
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what the hell man
i thought you were edible
I'm not sure what would give you that impression.
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Gah, this line is ambiguous. By completely new, does it mean completely new for Touhou, or completely new compared to the last StB? It's a translation so I can't exactly say...:<
It could be either from the original text as well, but would probably be taken only as "new compared to the last StB."
That particular part of the translation is missing some details which would most likely alter the meaning to "new compared to the last StB."
But at the same time, that missing detail may also be hinting at new characters.
I personally highly doubt there will be new characters, referring to the original text and my own intuition.
and hello Koipop.
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I'm not sure what would give you that impression.
I read "Kilgable" as "Edible" and thought Edible yelled out "Pointy Aya Ears!".
Yeah.
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I like what Aya's done with her hair.
Also I'm a bit dissapoitned that Aya ditched her Big Dumb Oldstyle camera in favor of a more modern one, but Better pictures > Style I guess
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I must say, it's a lot of fun watching everybody bitch about this.
I'm surprised, damn. He got me good, maybe I'm being trolled, I dunno.
I think it'll probably be a lot of fun though, and I'm definitely excited for this.
Have fun haters, enjoy hating the latest Touhou release \o/.
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With the enthusiasm I got from these news, I started practicing again and I've captured my first Level 8 card! \o/
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You... you DOUBLE SPOILER!
Pointy Aya Ears!
I'm telling you, her ears are just being covered by her hair. :x It's really hard to tell with that one screenshot. (Not that it's going to stop fanartists from capitalizing on it though..)
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One of my worst games is probably StB, but I'm not really complaining. A sequel makes sense to me, anyway, and any news on a new Touhou game is good news.
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This is awesome. StB has been one of my favorite ideas for a video game ever and I'm excited to see the newer characters in this, even if I never got past Medicine/Tewi/Reisen in the first one.
Also, hopefully this means another book to go with it, as well as maybe a new music CD from him at Summer Comiket.
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I must say, it's a lot of fun watching everybody bitch about this.
oh my god so much this
i am so glad i'm on the winning team
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Medience
:akihawhat:
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Oh man, can't wait~ I was hoping for something like this instead of a new shooter.
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I really do love that the camera is now aimed at the boss. (http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3644/e00887424335334.jpg)
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why are you editing my posts to make me look bad
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I really do love that the camera is now aimed at the boss. (http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3644/e00887424335334.jpg)
Aya learned how to take angled shots :V
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LOL wut WTF
I can't even type correctly.
For those expecting a Touhou 13, Zun got you all good. Although I still think Zun might release it soon.
and:
(http://localhostr.com/files/21ff5f/e0088742_4313276.jpg)(http://localhostr.com/files/e7870c/Th09tei_portrait.jpg)
Words cannot describe. No seriously, something comes to mind but I have no idea to say it. Damn.
Well, I still can't beat UFO, so I might as well do that. I'm definitely not missing out on this one, though.
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I really do love that the camera is now aimed at the boss. (http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3644/e00887424335334.jpg)
Wait a second... that picture...
Is it just me, or does the playing field have a significantly larger horizontal width?
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Words cannot describe.
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That's a strange prediction.
108 scenes?
We had 25 new characters introduced since MoF, including Iku and Tenshi, excluding the giant fish. If we give each of them 4 spellcards, that'll still be just 100 scenes. No one in StB had more than 4 spellcards (many characters had 3 or even 2), and we already know that Shizuha and Minoriko will only have 3 each.
Yuka, Mystia and Prismriver sisters' fans will be biting their nails until the 14th.
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Does this mean we will be calling this one Touhou: DS?
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LONG-HAIRED. AYA.
[size=9]FUCK YES.[/size]
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(http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/Nautth/dn.jpg)
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http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/Nautth/dn.jpg
Make one with Aya then we'll be in business.
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The first Pixiv image with the "ダブルスポイラー" tag may suffice. (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=9120409)
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Does this mean we will be calling this one Touhou: DS?
Oh my. What will Touhou newbies say?
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That's a strange prediction.
maybe Reimu and Marisa will make an appearance this time around?
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I don't know what all the bitching's about. StB is the most unique thing ZUN has ever done.
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I don't know what all the bitching's about. StB is the most unique thing ZUN has ever done.
unique =/= good
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That would be a significant statement if Shoot the Bullet was bad.
It is not, however.
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(http://localhostr.com/files/21ff5f/e0088742_4313276.jpg)(http://localhostr.com/files/e7870c/Th09tei_portrait.jpg)
Words cannot describe. No seriously, something comes to mind but I have no idea to say it. Damn.
Oh nice, it's actually Tewi disguise as Aya to take picture at people without getting into trouble later.
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All I hope is that I do not have to chase after UFO's. That and Catfish.
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Just when I thought Zun art was actually improving...
Is it just me, or does Aya look a bit taller than most of Zun's character art? Her legs seem longer than Zun's usual style.
And the difficulty is going to be higher?! StB was the difficult enough for me.
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That would be a significant statement if Shoot the Bullet was bad.
It is not, however.
Your opinion is duly noted. It is not, however, objective fact. (Admittedly, neither is mine.)
All I will say is, everything else aside, I hope this has better music than StB. Or at least more tracks.
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Yeah I will agree to that. StB's soundtrack was pretty boring.
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(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3716/parseeeeee.th.jpg) (http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3716/parseeeeee.jpg)
I'm sorry.
... Ooh, scary scary.
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That yukkuri looks a little challenged, Choja.
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I know I'm just kidding myself when I say I hope there's PC-98, but...nah, I'm just kidding myself.
Still, it would be nice, since they never got their own spell cards...
And people are complaining? Jesus, StB is great.
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Heh, Long haired Aya. I didn't expect this.
Well..., as long as it has good music, fun to dodge Spell Cards, and Satori makes an appearance, I won't complain. :V
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I know I'm just kidding myself when I say I hope there's PC-98, but...nah, I'm just kidding myself.
If it depended on Snaka, Th13's final boss would be the 5 magic stones.
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If it depended on Snaka, Th13's final boss would be the 5 magic stones.
and EX boss would be a snake youkai
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Oh nice, it's actually Tewi disguise as Aya to take picture at people without getting into trouble later.
Someone finally got it...
Just when I thought Zun art was actually improving...
THIS
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FUCK YES
And lol horribad art
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*Woops!*
I can go for this!
Hey, once I got used to the original StB, I was cool with it. Best game in the series? Probably not, but that's not a requirement. Just that it be enjoyable - and like he says, something that can be picked up and put down quickly and easily.
Now, if we can just get a fanbook with that.....
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(http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/Nautth/dn.jpg)
(http://i45.tinypic.com/f0vr60.png)
I haven't actually played Shoot the Bullet, so uh, I don't really care unless they release a second Bohemian Archive with it or something
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(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5571/vanilladan.th.jpg) (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/vanilladan.jpg/)
108 scenes less 85 (dunno) from StB ... not that great at all.
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(http://i45.tinypic.com/f0vr60.png)
Awesome
:smug:
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(http://i45.tinypic.com/f0vr60.png)
(http://localhostr.com/files/36ccbc/Captura%20de%20pantalla%202010-03-02%20a%20las%207.00.04%20PM.PNG)
Aya reminds me of Utsuho all of a sudden.
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Similarities between the same person's art!?
no wai
Boo puzzle game, best have good dodgem spells.
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I SEE CURVING LAZORS IN THE LAST SCREENSHOT.
Aya will finally get what's coming to her.
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This thread is just fabulous.
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This thread is just FABULOUS.
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This is just my personal opinion but I think the people raging should be grateful that he even made a game at all instead of doing something like taking a year off.
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Similarities between the same person's art!?
no wai
Maybe the artwork was done before UFO. Other than a few character portraits here and there I think his art went downhill (and fast) after PCB as far as Marisa and Reimu are concerned.
That's not to say that I get what the hell is up with Sanae's pose in MoF and UFO.
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Similarities between the same person's art!?
Zun traces lol
Maybe the artwork was done before UFO. Other than a few character portraits here and there I think his art went downhill (and fast) after PCB as far as Marisa and Reimu are concerned.
That's not to say that I get what the hell is up with Sanae's pose in MoF and UFO.
This one's Tewi's portrait in PoFV. I was pointing how Aya and Tewi look so similar. I doubt Zun just copied off his own work, although that's perfectly fine. Probably habit of doing things, I guess.
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This is just my personal opinion but I think the people raging should be grateful that Aya has graced their presence once again and accept the fact that she's better than their favorite character. <3
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Ahahaha yes this is going to be so awesome. I've wanted a Shoot the Bullet sequel for ages now.
Comments on ZUN's artwork: Ehh, not as good as UFO, but I can still take it. Elf ears are a bit strange, but I guess I can handle it.
Also YES NEW SPELLCARDS. Especially for those midboss characters like Shizuha (and maybe spellcards for Momiji too? Gasp.) The third screenshot (the one with the lasers that cover the sprite) has a spell card background similar to Minoriko's, so it looks like she'll be in the same level as Nitori (as they have the same photo numbers.. or am I overthinking this?).
Looks like there are new mechanics coming in to play, or the REST 4 message in the last screenshot (curvy lasers) is just a different version of an old mechanic.
Also, the game name: abbreviating it leads to DS, which is very commonly used in other areas which may lead to confusion, especially since that one site we all know and love has the same abbreviation.
I'll use DbS as an abbreviation :V
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Also, the game name: abbreviating it leads to DS, which is very commonly used in other areas which may lead to confusion, especially since that one site we all know and love has the same abbreviation.
I'll use DbS as an abbreviation :V
Well, we could say thDS maybe.
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Pointed ears!
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Nintendo Double Spoiler.
Or Touhou Dual Screen.
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Or Touhou Dual Screen.
Already exists :V
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Nitori... got a spell-stance...
SHE WON'T SPIN ANYMORE, I SAY!!
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Just call it StB2 for Suwako's sake.
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Just call it StB2 for Suwako's sake.
This.
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Looking forward to Iku/Tenshi spellcards.
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? Last Edit: Today at 01:36:48 am by Suwako Moriya ?
? Last Edit: Today at 01:36:48 am by Suwako Moriya ?
:smug:
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Huh, oh well what do ya know another StB game. I never really bothered playing the first one, and I'll probably ignore this one too.
Also Pointy eared Aya is weird looking.
No, I don't mean in the good way.
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So I'm thinking Japan will be all DOES NOT COMPUTE when they see momiji without her dog ears and looking all not moeblobish.
That is, if 'Mizi is even IN this game.
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I want to see the Catfish. Not because it would be funny, but because I think it would actually be pretty interesting. It should at least show up in one of Tenshi's cards.
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The Catfish was a product of Meiling's imagination. It does not actually exist. There is a higher chance of Watatsuki cards than Catfish cards.
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So I'm thinking Japan will be all DOES NOT COMPUTE when they see momiji without her dog ears and looking all not moeblobish.
That is, if 'Mizi is even IN this game.
Momi didn't have ears on her sprite, Shou doesn't have cat ears at all. Not like that ever stopped anyone. :3
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Watatsuki cards
I'd be alright with that, actually.
But I doubt he'll actually use them.
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The Catfish was a product of Meiling's imagination. It does not actually exist. There is a higher chance of Watatsuki cards than Catfish cards.
Aya gets drunk off her ass.
So does ZUN.
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:smug:
Users praying to false gods is like my Bat Signal.
Except with a frog.
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Shou is a cat because she's a tiger youkai, regardless of having no cat ears. Momiji's actually been officially represented in Oriental Sacred Place, so she canonically does have wolf ears.
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Shou is a cat because she's a tiger youkai, regardless of having no cat ears. Momiji's actually been officially represented in Oriental Sacred Place, so she canonically does have wolf ears.
Animal-parts-that-sprout-out-of-your-body-whenever-you-want. Just like Aya
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aya having wings was an artist mistake though
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Ya' saying brown hair is an artist mistake too man?
(BTW I'm a girl hur hur hur)
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... Project 12.5?
*Facepalm*
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(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/6483/excitingnewsyoujustgota.jpg)
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*Warning: Compared to the other works in the series, the difficulty level of this game in terms of full completion is rather high, so be prepared.
Just what I wanted. And I'm being totally serious. HELL YEAH STB2!
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EDIT for space and politeness: I guess I get to be in the minority on this one.
I love StB - in spite of its flaws - and am looking forward to this one.
The only potential issue I see here is the possibility of a stage with Ichirin and Murasa for MAXIMUM SLOWDOWN. Talk about a brick wall.
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EDIT for space and politeness: I guess I get to be in the minority on this one.
I love StB - in spite of its flaws - and am looking forward to this one.
The only potential issue I see here is the possibility of a stage with Ichirin and Murasa for MAXIMUM SLOWDOWN. Talk about a brick wall.
Agreed.
I think ZUN once said something about how StB's nature allowed him to create Danmaku that was way more complex or puzzling in nature than the normal games, because of the fact that you're only facing one card at a time. I'm curious to see what kind of designs he's been coming up with.
I have to say that StB probably had some of the neatest danmaku designs in the series. The problem was that Aya's movement speed wasn't exactly condusive to handling it...
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Users praying to false gods is like my Bat Signal.
Except with a frog.
I approve of this.
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The idea behind StB seems really cool [Idon'treallyplayTouhoubutamstillpartofthefandom] and I love Aya.
So this interests me~
Zun art is as terribad as always though.
It makes me smile... sort of...
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...I'm still trying to recover from StB. Though I see certain photographers are excited about it.
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Oriental Sacred Place
the what now?
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the what now?
dem books that no ones reads. :V
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... Project 12.5?
*Facepalm*
Wait, people seriously didn't expect another in-between game after 12.3?
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Hoping the soundtrack will be more than 6 songs this time >_>
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Well well well, after I went to bed yesterday, this thread exploded into more than five pages.
All clueless people whining about Th12.5 and Th9.5 --> Go read ZUN's afterword (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Shoot_the_Bullet:_Afterword)to learn why he made 9.5 in the first place. Infact, while you at it, go read all of the afterwords starting from EoSD. They are really interesting to read and discover ZUN's mind a bit.
I seen a translated section popped up by Lucarius (surprise visit) so I'll be adding that to the OP.
Edit:
Start hiding your ecchi/H collection. Secure your bank accounts. Do not make any phonecalls for the time being. Cause Shameimaru Aya is on you all. Ayayayayayayayaya.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2qiv2pf.png)
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Zun always seems to be the kind of man lacking time.
Those conventions come around too quick I guess.
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I seen a translated section popped up by Lucarius (surprise visit) so I'll be adding that to the OP.
I come here rather often probably as a guest, because I'm asked often how Americans react to various things concerning Touhou and doujins, CNN being a prime example. There's no reason not to be able to answer them.
I'm glad I can tell them "There are some who appreciate ZUN's works enough to go tell others to read his afterwords."
It seems that Nazerine did translate the entire thing, but Totaku miss-posted both the link and the content.
Here's Nazerine's full translation with pictures.
http://nazerine.deviantart.com/journal/30667342/
Just clarifying, I translated only the last line (without necessity). Credit goes to Nazerine.
I don't really use English much anymore anyway.
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Well last time I seen you was when you were translating Marisa's Grimmoire and after that your account went "poof". Oh well, history = history. Good to know you are reading this place still (guest or registered)
I'll modify the OP to add Nazerine's name in there.
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I'm actually surprised he's releasing anything at all, I was expecting him to take the year off. So it doesn't bother me that it's just another StB game. I think it's seriously wishful thinking that Touhou 13 will come out this year in addition to it, though.
StB is just too hard for me, so I doubt I'll be sinking much, if any, time into it. New ZUN songs though, new songs are always good!
I guess I'll just take the time to catch up and try to 1CC SA and UFO. (Fucking stage 5 cats.)
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While I suck at StB, it's good to see another "different" game, as it has been a while.
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So Lucarius is the supposed Spy of the Japanese! :O
*waves* Hello Japanese!
I actually remember him when he started to translate The Grimoire of Marisa.
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9.5 was running on the old engine right? (Pre MoF). If 12.5 is based on the newer engine, we can expect pretty much a lot of smooth effects and danmaku. This is definitely going to be a very refreshing Touhou game.
Excited as hell here and in the meanwhile . . . .
I have to study for my midterm exam orz
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Bleh, I was hoping to have something I could say, but well here.
To celebrate the soon to be released Double Spoiler, have a double spoiler. :P
img522.imageshack.us/img522/5097/1267606047912.png
For posting an oversized image, you only get a single spoiler. :V ~Matsuri
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Ahaha I like the reactions to this announcement
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I'm glad I can tell them "There are some who appreciate ZUN's works enough to go tell others to read his afterwords."
It seems that Nazerine did translate the entire thing, but Totaku miss-posted both the link and the content.
Here's Nazerine's full translation with pictures.
http://nazerine.deviantart.com/journal/30667342/
Just clarifying, I translated only the last line (without necessity). Credit goes to Nazerine.
Nazerine's Pinoy!? o_o *salutes*
Thinking of saving the page for later home reading, but ack, saved DA pages don't display nicely on our PC at home >.<... Eh, *go for broke, copypasta translation to text file* Thanks, Lucarius! >w<
*insert reserved danmaku giggles here*
To celebrate the soon to be released Double Spoiler, have a double spoiler. :P
Aya Racing.img
OHIMGA---------- Is this what I think it is!? *is now kinda more hyped over another thing* >////////////<
BTW, you oughtta resize that to <=400x400 from its source, Totaku.
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I'm pretty excited for this game, and not too surprised it's in the StB style.
But seriously? DOUBLE SPOILER??? what kind of subtitle is that?
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Well, that's Aya we're talking about.
She could write anything spoilers
about Gensokyo's Human and Youkai residents, especially those not introduced did not show up in StB xD
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StB like ? Damn I suck a bit at StB, fffff....
anyway, there is TH 12 12.3 12.5 maybe we will have 12.8 12.85 12.91 12.95 12.98 and so on...
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So we get Xeno's Touhou then?
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But seriously? DOUBLE SPOILER??? what kind of subtitle is that?
Actually, it's the main title. Bunkachou is the subtitle this time.
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Well, I kinda think that StB used the MoF engine, though an incomplete one.
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Ok, I'm kind of sad reading some posts in this thread. Saying that this is the worst announcement ever is incredible stupid. Just because you can't beat the 5-x wall doesn't mean that StB is bad, actually it is probably one of the best in the whole series.
Seriously if you only want a Touhou game mainly because of the character and "story" and not because of the danmaku patterns, then you have a problem, since Touhou is all about this. You have 10 days, get a clean StB dat and complete it, you will realize how fun it is. And probably you will appreciate a little how much effort and love ZUN puts into each game.
For me, I'll play the hell out of this when it comes out. It looks really awesome.
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To continue off the above post, if you didn't like StB or aren't incredibly excited by this announcements, that's a personal failing on your part. Seriously assess why you have a problem, and consider some counseling.
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People are not reasonable and they are greedy and spoiled as hell (general form of speech).
9.5 was meant to be a game like ZUN exactly describes it for 12.5, a game where you don't have to beat a specific storyline or bad-character causing trouble for Reimu. It is like those "load-and-play" games. Also danmaku is suppose to be in ZUN's eyes a beauty and trademark of a character.
But people are way too focussed (especially the fandumb) on the characters itself. But take away the danmaku and they are nothing any more. Danmaku isn't just bullets being spawned on your screen. This is also one of the reasons why ZUN gave it a name: Spell Cards. (Again this is info from ZUN's afterwords.)
While everybody is free to express their opinion whether you like it or not, but at least have some balls or nerves to state why exactly you dislike it. Saying: FUCK STB SUCKS is just an ignorant line. Just because you think it sucks, doesn't mean the same for everyone else. Subjective remains subjective.
Charismatic serious mode - off.
In before any obvious Date Masamune joke.
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The only real reason to raeg on this announcement would be StB (and Double Spoiler, as stated by ZUN) being much harder than a regular game on normal mode from very early on, so people who usually play on normal or easy mode will have problems getting to enjoy the whole content.
Even then, one would expect a somewhat more enthusiastic approach towards a difficult game from fans of a series of bullet hell shmups. Or maybe that's just me... *shrug*
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People are not reasonable and they are greedy and spoiled as hell (general form of speech).
This. Remember, ZUN makes these games for himself.
also um yeah toho is meant to be difficult for most people, including you
In the end [creating Shoot the Bullet] only took about a month and a half.
...what!?
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The only real reason to raeg on this announcement would be StB (and Double Spoiler, as stated by ZUN) being much harder than a regular game on normal mode from very early on, so people who usually play on normal or easy mode will have problems getting to enjoy the whole content.
Except if you can't get midway through the game, you likely won't enjoy the rest of the content either~
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Cut:Except if you can't get midway through the game, you likely won't enjoy the rest of the content either~
Precisely what I meant.
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The only real reason to raeg on this announcement would be StB (and Double Spoiler, as stated by ZUN) being much harder than a regular game on normal mode from very early on, so people who usually play on normal or easy mode will have problems getting to enjoy the whole content.
Heh. I can't 1CC any of the main games apart from IN on any difficulty higher than Easy, but I still have beaten every single scene in StB up to and including the first two ones in level 8, with everything except for Extra unlocked.
Anyway, I really enjoyed 9.5, so I'm definitely looking forward to this.
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Bleh, I was hoping to have something I could say, but well here.
To celebrate the soon to be released Double Spoiler, have a double spoiler. :P
DOUBLE SPOILER
KIEZYAAAAAAAAAAA CMP
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After looking at the ZUN art and SWR Aya, I'm inclined to say those ears are just messed up perspective. If someone mentioned this already, then ignore this.
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Has anyone figured out that (seriously) complaining about ZUN art is kind of pointless?
I mean what were you expecting, really :V
(not meant at above poster)
I still have beaten every single scene in StB up to and including the first two ones in level 8, with everything except for Extra unlocked.
If you try to do 8-3 focused the entire time, you will fail. It's a really neat spell card design once you understand how not to get trapped at the bottom.
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Let's hope for some good Nue spell card !
(OMG, I can't belive I said that, I know I am not the first to say that put but hell this is the most ridiculous pun ever...however..Minna no peace IT'S ALL RIGHT)
I don't have any problem with StB, it's truly hard for me but getting better is not excluded...Oh...and I see Shou ? Stage 5 bosses heeeee !...OH NO ! NOT MORE ORIN, TRAUMA DRAMA ORIN NOOOOOOO ! Also the art is just...good, yes good...I SAID GOOD !
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If you try to do 8-3 focused the entire time, you will fail. It's a really neat spell card design once you understand how not to get trapped at the bottom.
Just checked, and it would seem like I got my numbers confused; I do have 8-3 captured. I see what you mean, though; from what I remember of that card (haven't played the game in a while, due to various factors; most of them including not having the time to do so) dodging at the bottom is straight-out suicide if you mess up even the slightest, while the almost-safe spot in the middle of the screen is quite a bit more lenient.
8-4, however... How can such a seemingly simple streaming card be so annoying?
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StB was cool and all. Until those puzzle stages kick in.
Phlogistic Rain Hiwamari Satellite blah blah blah
Still looking forward to this though. Especially when MoF/SWR/SA/UFO's cast is much more interesting (in terms of background and danmaku) than the last five.
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Ok, I'm kind of sad reading some posts in this thread. Saying that this is the worst announcement ever is incredible stupid. Just because you can't beat the 5-x wall doesn't mean that StB is bad, actually it is probably one of the best in the whole series.
Seriously if you only want a Touhou game mainly because of the character and "story" and not because of the danmaku patterns, then you have a problem, since Touhou is all about this. You have 10 days, get a clean StB dat and complete it, you will realize how fun it is. And probably you will appreciate a little how much effort and love ZUN puts into each game.
Good grief. Implying that the primary reason people dislike StB is because they're terrible at the game is ignorant almost beyond belief, and similarly for your (and others') inference that any expressed dissatisfaction with 12.5's announcement is motivated mainly by the absence of new characters and "story".
For my part, I've already summarised some of the reasons for my relative dislike of StB here (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=3150.msg137813#msg137813) (and yes, I've beaten all 85 scenes), but to reiterate: speaking as both a dedicated Reimu player and someone who has, since childhood, been used to continually holding down the fire button while playing shmups, I find Aya's movement incredibly counterintuitive. As a consequence, the difficulty of the game's danmaku is artificially increased from my perspective, to the extent that even something reasonably straightforward like Scene 10-8 becomes disproportionately frustrating to beat. In essence, the controls actively discourage me from playing the game, particularly when attempting to return to it after a prolonged break.
On top of this, I dislike the substitution of traditional stages and lives with short bursts of gameplay and no real consequences to mistakes, as it removes any notable sense of excitement or achievement from the game. StB's soundtrack is also recognisably limited compared to other games in the series, and I don't anticipate the sequel being much different in that respect. Lastly, yes, the absence of new characters is a factor, but a minor one compared to the fact that I just don't enjoy the gameplay as much as the regular shooters.
Now, I don't consider StB a bad game per se, it's just bad relative to other Touhou games IN MY ENTIRELY AND OBVIOUSLY SUBJECTIVE OPINION
. Hence my disappointment to find that something I was looking forward at Reitaisai (Touhou 13 demo) has been replaced by something that I'm less interested in (Touhou 12.5). Also, while I do appreciate the effort that ZUN puts into his games, I'm not about to feign enthusiasm in one of them because of this.
That said, I'll still play and doubtlessly get some enjoyment from 12.5, and it's possible the controls etc will have been improved this time around. We'll see.
tl;dr - StB is bad for a Touhou game. Don't take internet "WORST _____ EVER" hyperbole seriously.
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I dislike the substitution of traditional stages and lives with short bursts of gameplay and no real consequences to mistakes, as it removes any notable sense of excitement or achievement from the game.
This is weird in conjunction with other complaints I know I've seen about how StB was bad because it was infuriating to be dragged all the way back to the beginning of a spellcard if you lost it right at the very end.
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This is weird in conjunction with other complaints I know I've seen about how StB was bad because it was infuriating to be dragged all the way back to the beginning of a spellcard if you lost it right at the very end.
Different strokes for different folks. And these folks sound like the kind of people who hit the savestate key every 15 seconds when playing games.
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StB is one big Spell Practice game. Now weren't there a LOT of people bitching about wanting Spell Practice back? :smug:
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Good grief. Implying that the primary reason people dislike StB is because they're terrible at the game is ignorant almost beyond belief, and similarly for your (and others') inference that any expressed dissatisfaction with 12.5's announcement is motivated mainly by the absence of new characters and "story".
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tl;dr - StB is bad for a Touhou game. Don't take internet "WORST _____ EVER" hyperbole seriously.
Let's talk seriously. You can't just forget the status of the fandom, the amount of danmaku Touhou players is really small in comparison of the fighters players. Most of the Touhou "fans" haven't and won't play this game. Touhou is getting way too much attention from the anime-ish scene, most of these people don't have the intention to actually practice and actually enjoy the games, that's because they have different interest. They just leech from the massive doujin content and doesn't even care about the official stuff.
I have nothing against these people, that would just be extremely elitist. I was just generalizing the fandom in my post. Let's be real, most of the people don't play StB because it IS HARD. You shouldn?t play Shoot the Bullet as if you were playing a regular Touhou game, that's the whole idea of this being a .5 game, it is supposed to be something different.
I know that Shoot the Bullet has some flaws, but have in mind this game is something unique from ZUN. It is quite refreshing to play something different once in a while. I don't see Aya speed as a fun impediment; I see it as an interesting gimmick which adds a whole new dimension of gameplay. The spell cards for me make the whole game, that's the soul of Touhou.
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StB is one big Spell Practice game. Now weren't there a LOT of people bitching about wanting Spell Practice back? :smug:
that...just lol haha. Didn't think of it that way.
I see StB and the spells used in them as "spellcards not meant for normal danmaku/duels" Most spellcards have a way of being broken or being fair for the enemy to evade at the least. These spells however are so hard that normal means can't or will barely work at all. take Patchouli's spellcards for example. unless you HAD Aya's camera or means to erase bullets. there would be NO WAY to survive those spells ya know? bomb? sure but every time? no way haha. I think of StB as the "Mario: Lost Levels" compared to "Mario Bros" the main series.
Well to me. If ZUN makes a game, I'm playing it. the only game i don't like that much is IaMP, but i'm playing it anyway
I have nothing against these people, that would just be extremely elitist. I was just generalizing the fandom in my post. Let's be real, most of the people don't play StB because it IS HARD. You shouldn?t play Shoot the Bullet as if you were playing a regular Touhou game, that's the whole idea of this being a .5 game, it is supposed to be something different.
I've nothing against em either, most of us too probably have pirated a few if not all the games (me too afterall. luckily i bought 4 of the windows games on ebay for 41 bucks! FUCK YEAH!)
And its true that one shouldn't play StB as typically as you would a normal touhou game. Naturally if your losing consistently your doing something wrong, if even slightly.
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Seriously if you only want a Touhou game mainly because of the character and "story" and not because of the danmaku patterns, then you have a problem, since Touhou is all about this.
Let's talk seriously. You can't just forget the status of the fandom, the amount of danmaku Touhou players is really small in comparison of the fighters players. Most of the Touhou "fans" haven't and won't play this game. Touhou is getting way too much attention from the anime-ish scene, most of these people don't have the intention to actually practice and actually enjoy the games, that's because they have different interest. They just leech from the massive doujin content and doesn't even care about the official stuff.
Let's be real, most of the people don't play StB because it IS HARD.
Let's get some facts straight here.
Source: 7th Touhou Popularity Survey http://thwiki.info/th/vote7/result_anq.html
(Japan)
Up to 3 reasons why Touhou interests you. Out of 22207 people.
Music: 84.78%
Characters: 74.61%
Worldliness Setting (ie "Story"): 40.14%
As an STG: 22.58%
Other doujins: 22.47%
Danmaku: 17.46%
etc. (7 other choices)
I don't see how liking Touhou for character and "story" and not because of danmaku patterns is problematic, if problematic is even the right term to be used here. Moreover, I really don't like how you put the term "story" in quotes as if Touhou didn't have a respectable story in it.
In addition, your statement about secondhand > official is clearly wrong too. There are less people who have only secondhand Touhou music than those who have both secondhand Touhou music and original Touhou music, and far less people who have only secondhand Touhou games/books than those who have original Touhou games/books only.
Source: 7th Touhou Popularity Survey http://thwiki.info/th/vote7/result_anq.html
(Japan)
Game People Percent
東方6 20081人 90.27%
東方7 20004人 89.93%
東方7.5 13512人 60.74%
東方8 20018人 89.99%
東方9 17894人 80.44%
東方9.5 15535人 69.84%
東方10 19604人 88.13%
東方10.5 16899人 75.97%
東方11 18895人 84.94%
東方12 18088人 81.31%
東方12.3 15283人 68.70%
I clearly see there are many more people who play danmaku than fighting out of the people who took this survey, if any significant difference at all. Moreover, I don't see that big of a difference between the number of people who played StB versus the other games, save IaMP.
Mind you don't forget that when you say Touhou fandom or Touhou players, you mean us Japanese people too. Mind also that there's no problem on how people get a hold on Touhou, and such holds have no relation with how good they are at the game.
What you're saying adamantly is real would be something analogous to me saying you don't read any of ZUN's written works or afterwords whatsoever, because you put "story" in quotation marks. Regardless of what your intention for putting those quotation marks around the term was.
I see you're trying to be serious in whatever way you can, but you're far from being real in any way. I don't know about the American fandom as much as the Japanese fandom, but your grasp on Touhou in its entirety seems as upsetting to me as (most) other people's grasps are to you.
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This is weird in conjunction with other complaints I know I've seen about how StB was bad because it was infuriating to be dragged all the way back to the beginning of a spellcard if you lost it right at the very end.
Different strokes for different folks. And these folks sound like the kind of people who hit the savestate key every 15 seconds when playing games.
I can certainly see why the one-hit-and-done mechanic would be reviled as that was my major problem with StB too. Unlike all of the other games, a single mistake meant that you would have to restart. It's completely different from possessing a number of lives and a number of bombs to use per life. The amount of time a spellcard takes in comparison to an entire game is different, yes, but if I try to 1cc any of the regular games, I can do poorly in level 5 yet still make it to the end. In StB, I might spend dozens of attempts to reach six pictures yet fail to get the seventh and final picture. Compound the unforgiving nature of the game's design with a heightened difficulty and that spelled disaster for anyone without solid dodging skills.
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Up to 3 reasons why Touhou interests you. Out of 22207 people.
Music: 84.78%
Characters: 74.61%
Worldliness Setting (ie "Story"): 40.14%
As an STG: 22.58%
Other doujins: 22.47%
Danmaku: 17.46%
etc. (7 other choices)
Oh, that is just sad.
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Oh, that is just sad.
Most people in Japan have a traditional or out-dated mindset about commercial products always being better than doujins. There are various reasons to this I don't want to expand on, or know really well enough to be confident about what I'm saying.
Anyway, those who own games like Gradius and other commercial shooting games (sorry, I'm not really fond of shooters) tend to have a degraded view on the quality of doujin products within the same game genre. Touhou does not seem to be an exception.
I personally find this out-dated thought ridiculous.
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I don't see how liking Touhou for character and "story" and not because of danmaku patterns is problematic, if problematic is even the right term to be used here. Moreover, I really don't like how you put the term "story" in quotes as if Touhou didn't have a respectable story in it.
In addition, your statement about secondhand > official is clearly wrong too. There are less people who have only secondhand Touhou music than those who have both secondhand Touhou music and original Touhou music, and far less people who have only secondhand Touhou games/books than those who have original Touhou games/books only.
I clearly see there are many more people who play danmaku than fighting out of the people who took this survey, if any significant difference at all. Moreover, I don't see that big of a difference between the number of people who played StB versus the other games, save IaMP.
Mind you don't forget that when you say Touhou fandom or Touhou players, you mean us Japanese people too. Mind also that there's no problem on how people get a hold on Touhou, and such holds have no relation with how good they are at the game.
What you're saying about mere preference would be something analogous to me saying you don't read any of ZUN's written works or afterwords whatsoever, because you put "story" in quotation marks.
I see you're trying to be serious in whatever way you can, but you're far from being real in any way. I don't know about the American fandom as much as the Japanese fandom, but your grasp on Touhou seems as upsetting to me as other people's grasps are to you.
I never said it was wrong to like Touhou for some reason other than the shmups. And yes, I forgot to say that I was referring to the Western fandom. I know there are lots of people that play the games, but by my experience in other communities where the usersbase is 20/1 of fighting games players over shmup players, I may have a wrong impression over how big exactly is the shmup side. I apologize for that.
And no, I have read all the print works till today. I stated "story" like that because it is a shmup after all, story is not that important. I love the fact that is started to tie all the game stories together. I do enjoy the storyline of Touhou and follow every piece of information that extends from it. I would be really hypocrite if I said that I don't enjoy the fanwork and music remixes, because I do. But playing shmups is and always will be the only reason I like Touhou. Trying to change other peoples opinion over a game or trying to get it other people to like it, is just not my thing. I prefer to just enjoy the games.
As a final note, I'm not saying something that is completely right, but it is not far from really either. The fandom is growing, really quickly. I'm not saying this is bad, since the more people get into it, the more PoFV and competitive shmup players (scoring) we get. I do hope the shmup scene grows larger. The bigger it is, ZUN will bless us with more fantastic games, which is the thing I truly enjoy.
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I have nothing against these people, that would just be extremely elitist. I was just generalizing the fandom in my post. Let's be real, most of the people don't play StB because it IS HARD. You shouldn?t play Shoot the Bullet as if you were playing a regular Touhou game, that's the whole idea of this being a .5 game, it is supposed to be something different .
See, I took the inference in your post to be that everyone who'd expressed displeasure with the 12.5 announcement here did so because of the absence of new characters/story and the difficulty of StB (which wasn't the case with me, hence my response). If you were making a general address to the fandom, that's perhaps more justifiable.
I still disagree with the "people are particularly adverse to StB because it's hard(er)" suggestion though. The 7th TPP results Lucarius posted above show a noticeable increase in the number of people who haven't played StB AT ALL compared to the traditional shooters, and it seems implausible that people are making negative judgments about the game because of its difficulty having not even played it in the first place. More likely it's because of its unorthodox gameplay mechanics in comparison to the regular games or something.
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Different strokes for different folks. And these folks sound like the kind of people who hit the savestate key every 15 seconds when playing games.
What savestate?
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What did people think 12.5 was going to be other than a stb2?
You're still getting 13.
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I still disagree with the "people are particularly adverse to StB because it's hard(er)" suggestion though. The 7th TPP results Lucarius posted above show a noticeable increase in the number of people who haven't played StB AT ALL compared to the traditional shooters.
Uh. I'm not sure how you read the graph or charts, but I don't see where you got this from, especially the AT ALL part. There's nothing on the results that differentiate between those that have played the game at least once and those that haven't.
If you're looking at 文花帖クリアシーン数 - 有効回答数：14788人, there's nothing that indicates the number of people who haven't played the game, because the entire chart there is based only on the people who have.
If you're looking at the pink bar, then that's a cumulative status. The percentage accumulates from the bottom data to top so that the top pink bar is 100%. It doesn't have much to do with the results in terms of what you're talking about.
If you're comparing it to TPP6, there's been a fairly even increase between the number of responses for each game.
Perhaps I am reading these results wrong?
Not that I know exactly why 9.5 has less players than the other games on the Japanese side either.
As a side note, most of you are going to have 12.5 available for free within 2 hours after the first copy is sold, like 12 and 12.3 was. I believe having to spend 3000$ in total to buy the game 3 months after, is more to complain about than the fact that 12.5 is 12.5. Yay~
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Most people in Japan have a traditional or out-dated mindset about commercial products always being better than doujins. There are various reasons to this I don't want to expand on, or know really well enough to be confident about what I'm saying.
Anyway, those who own games like Gradius and other commercial shooting games (sorry, I'm not really fond of shooters) tend to have a degraded view on the quality of doujin products within the same game genre. Touhou does not seem to be an exception.
I personally find this out-dated thought ridiculous.
That's not really the issue, though. It's that the people within the Touhou fandom care more about the music, characters, and the joke of a "story" than they do about the fact that it's a top-down, vertical shoot-em-up at its very core. The spell cards that set it apart in the shmup world have taken a back seat in the eyes of the fandom, even in the region that the game is from. At this point, ZUN could remove the game aspect entirely and just release soundtracks and pictures of new characters with vague background stories, and according to those stats, nearly 80% of the Touhou fandom will not care. That is all sorts of sad.
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At this point, ZUN could remove the game aspect entirely and just release soundtracks and pictures of new characters with vague background stories, and according to those stats, nearly 80% of the Touhou fandom will not care.
That is all sorts of sad.
QFT.
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I like where all of this is going. I'll be checking up on this later...
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I've been thinking about this, and I think that the points Letty brought up are exactly why ZUN is making an StB sequel.
There will be no new characters, no new story, nothing. It's all about the danmaku, which is the entire point. His intention is likely to get the fans who don't play the games to leave him the hell alone, which is by no means a bad thing.
The hope is presumably that a good fragment of the 80% Letty mentioned will go off to some other series which is all about characters. You know, like an anime? Which is basically what they're treating Touhou as?
I'm not trying to be elitist to the players who aren't good enough to get anywhere, I'm raging at the people who are 'fans' despite having never played any of the games. The fans who got hauled in by Marisa Stole The Precious Thing and its ilk (remember when people thought that flash was a GOOD thing for the fandom?). Who saw fanart and said 'ooh, this is pretty, I think I'll become a fan of wherever this girl came from!' and didn't think of playing the games. Who listened to the music and didn't bother playing the games it came from.
tl;dr We brought this on ourselves. It is our punishment for not being faithful to ZUN and the games. Pray with me now, children, that those who have turned away from the light of the Danmaku either repent or are exiled from this land. Then perhaps, our lord may grace us with Touhou 13 come Winter Comiket.
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What savestate?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saved_game#Saved_states . I'm not talking about Touhou here.
Uh. I'm not sure how you read the graph or charts, but I don't see where you got this from, especially the AT ALL part. There's nothing on the results that differentiate between those that have played the game at least once and those that haven't.
I thought that segment of the results was drawn from part 2 of the survey, which was translated here (http://pooshlmer.com/wakaba/res/429969.html#430567) as 'Games Played'. So I assumed that people had responded positively if they'd played the game before, and negatively if they hadn't, giving results of e.g. 69.84% of people surveyed had played StB. What're you saying the results actually mean?
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I don't think it's anything worth getting sad or riled up about, personally. Who the fuck cares? Why get so offended?
Lucarius: I think the problem here is due to the availability heuristic. People tend to base their assumptions on the whole based on what they see or who is being the loudest, which if often not representative of everyone.
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I've been thinking about this, and I think that the points Letty brought up are exactly why ZUN is making an StB sequel.
There will be no new characters, no new story, nothing. It's all about the danmaku, which is the entire point. His intention is likely to get the fans who don't play the games to leave him the hell alone, which is by no means a bad thing.
Funny, most people tend to take it the other way, based on how ZUN phrased it on his blog article.
This game's contents have danmaku that will bully those who say "I don't need any stories or complicated turn of events. I just want something short and easy-to-access to play bit-by-bit during my breaks," to the extent they'd be yearning for games that require extensive play hours.
Retranslated by me to make my point, but he makes these .3 and .5 games to satisfy the gamers who don't care as much about ZUN's ideals, which explains the fighting genre, and the difficult level of StB and DS.
ZUN chose this "danmaku game" as the one best form of expression to materialize his ideas and stories. He emphasizes this in his written works.
Simply put, most people think that ZUN intends for the gaming aspect to be a decoration for materializing his ideals, because there are many things in his works that hint at that idea.
However, because of that same reason, I don't believe ZUN will be abandoning danmaku games as long as Touhou continues to be Touhou.
I thought that segment of the results was drawn from part 2 of the survey, which was translated here (http://pooshlmer.com/wakaba/res/429969.html#430567) as 'Games Played'. So I assumed that people had responded positively if they'd played the game before, and negatively if they hadn't, giving results of e.g. 69.84% of people surveyed had played StB. What're you saying the results actually mean?
I was reading the results wrong.
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9.5 was running on the old engine right? (Pre MoF).
no, StB was a sort of "techdemo" for the new engine.
Actually, it's the main title. Bunkachou is the subtitle this time.
it will always be "touhou bunkachou ~ double spoiler" to me. it even looks that way on the title screen!
Implying that the primary reason people dislike StB is because they're terrible at the game is ignorant almost beyond belief
HA! HAHAHAHAHA
no it is not and you know it. if you really gave half a damn about this series you wouldn't be saying this nonsense.
Source: (Japan)
I think he just said DENIED, son
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someone who has, since childhood, been used to continually holding down the fire button while playing shmup
play some older games and don't use autofire
StB is bad for a Touhou game. Don't take internet "WORST _____ EVER" hyperbole seriously.
don't use strong words. don't use so much hyperbole. there is absolutely no reason why someone who has no idea how the internet works should actually have to know anyway.
if you had real opinions, being able to express them without sounding like a complete jerk really wouldn't be that hard! unless you were just trolling. oh wait!
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I'd like to point out, isn't that up to three reasons? Some of the people who voted music and characters and so on could be primarily interested in the games themselves, but the three categories they chose go up an equal amount. It might not really be as extreme as the results make it look.
Plus since people can only choose 3 categories, they might enjoy the actual games as well but prefer some other things more and didn't choose them as a result. Or they could prefer the fighters, etc
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If Danmaku was the only basis for playing Touhou, then honestly Touhou wouldn't be as popular as it is today. IMHO, I have to say that if not for the Art, Story, Music, would we all really be gathered here arguing about this?
I appreciate the games (pretty sure we all do for the most part), I got into this back in 06 when I first got a copy of EoSD and Lotus Land Story. What attracted me to Touhou? was it just the Danmaku? was it just the Music? or was it the Characters and Story? Hard to say but I'll try to explain.
First off I should mention that I play more games and emulations then any healthy person should honestly, and, with Touhou it's pretty hard to say you can just like ONE aspect of the game itself and claim it's the only good virtue.
I played EoSD, at first it was a decent game I thought. I always was pretty curious what the characters were talking to each other about though, specially when they change expressions making funny or annoyed faces, yet I had other shooters I payed attention to.
I would get back to it every now and then since it had nicer music and the Danmaku was a bit more forgiving I remember then one game I was playing at the time I needed a break from.
When I got tired of just wondering what these characters were talking about and what the whole deal was with the plot I checked all over the internet. Sadly Touhouwiki wasn't quite there yet, not many places had translations but found them, eventually.
After that I found the creator (ZUN) made books and some I found were translated as well as many fanworks and their versions of the games how they played out behind the scenes.
As I read more of these and bugged some of my more knowledgeable friends on one's that weren't fully translated, WE grew attached to these character's and the world they live in.
Long story short cause I see myself ranting for a good 3 days on this subject is, to me at least, Touhou games are amazingly and fun to play, but unless you get more in depth with the entirety of the games characters and story surrounding each game your just playing yet another random shooter made by yet another random person.
They are fun but in essence, if you only enjoy the pretty colors of the Danmaku's and it's your only real reason for playing this series then you need to spread your wings more cause there are, from experience, way better Danmaku focused games. May sound blasphemous but it's true =(
To all hating on Parsee's new hair coloring and docking some cosplay wings, just leave her alone, she's off to Reitasai to take Photo's of all those people she's jealous of that cosplay better then her ;3
**I kid, Parsee Aya is cute in her own way I guess, though not big on pointy ear Elf Aya, wtb non-Elf Tengu Aya back thank you.**
(http://img01.pixiv.net/img/otameshi/9138783.jpg)
Though I guess I've warmed up to Aya this past year, curse you +Anima manga Cooro. Now I can't look at Aya and stay mad at her as much anymore =(
I can't wait for Touhou: DS! may it at least have better music this time around and a speedier Aya! I blame that laxitive Momiji accidently stuffed into the Manju's for Aya's snack in the first game.
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5 charismatic points for the person that can name Tenshi's original name.
25 charismatic points if you can tell the reason for it.
70 charismatic points for the person who can explain why IN was a 'dangerous' both as a milestone and game according to ZUN.
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100 charismatic points for the first person that doesn't think they're better than other fans purely for differences in methods of enjoyment.
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5 charismatic points for the person that can name Tenshi's original name.
25 charismatic points if you can tell the reason for it.
70 charismatic points for the person who can explain why IN was a 'dangerous' both as a milestone and game according to ZUN.
Before the name became official I think we all called her Tenko no? lol
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100 charismatic points for the first person that doesn't think they're better than other fans purely for differences in methods of enjoyment.
Charisma Break in 3...2...1...
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Chiko. Because she moved to heaven where she can be an Angel. IN was dangerous because of its Spell Practice, because ZUN was afraid that people won't play his games anymore, the story and everything, just the practice.
Also, I like that Lucarius is here, so we can have a connection with the Japanese Touhoudom. I always felt that we were too far away from them, or maybe they don't even know about us.
Also I don't like just the games' Music or Characters or the Story or the Danmaku alone. I love the games as whole games and every aspect of them.
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Huzzah, 100 points for me~ Enjoy the series however the hell you like, in the end we're all just in love with at least something that ZUN made, and that's all that really matters.
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The joke's on all of you, I gave those 100 points to myself!
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The joke's on all of you, I gave those 100 points to myself!
You dumbass, you're the referee!
That's not how tennis works!
YOU IDIOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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Also, I like that Lucarius is here, so we can have a connection with the Japanese Touhoudom. I always felt that we were too far away from them, or maybe they don't even know about us.
I don't know if the greater half of Japanese Touhou players know shrinemaiden, but there are tons of foreigner reaction videos on nicovideo (mostly consisting of youtube feedback).
Many were worried when CNN trashed Bad Apple, but I told the people on niclopedia that most of you already knew that CNN was bogus.
More importantly however, I don't go to any of the major boards/places of discussion for the Japanese Touhou fandom anyway. Most of my knowledge about the Japanese view of Touhou is from my actual experiences in Japan, and other people I know well. In essence, shrinemaiden hasn't secured any trustworthy connection to the Japanese Touhoudom through me.
Besides, I'll probably be gone until people start bugging me about American views again. I'm also not as involved with Touhou as I was before either. Touhou just happens to be a major part of the nicovideo culture, is all.
Rather, I'm surprised I see this comment. Is there absolutely no one else here that has any connection to Japan whatsoever?
It's been a while since I participate in an American forum, but I don't remember such excessive derailing happening.
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I forgot that I can still talk to you on MSN Lucarius.
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Who has been shoving rods up people's behinds? The amount of barely-provoked-or-warranted rage towards fellow forumgoers here is baffling.
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Who has been shoving rods up people's behinds?
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8971/683502.th.png) (http://img38.imageshack.us/i/683502.png/)
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HA! HAHAHAHAHA
no it is not and you know it. if you really gave half a damn about this series you wouldn't be saying this nonsense.
Hoo boy. First off, in that bit you quoted "people" meant people in this thread (with reference to me particularly), NOT the Touhou fandom in general. Secondly, where the hell are you drawing this notion that the fandom dislikes StB primarily because they suck at it from? 20% of people in the 7th TPP (about 4500 people) were apparently turned off from StB without even playing the game. There's more evidence to suggest that people're just adverse to the modified gameplay mechanics/style/whatever than anything else.
if you had real opinions, being able to express them without sounding like a complete jerk really wouldn't be that hard! unless you were just trolling. oh wait!
Well lookie here, real opinions! (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5247.msg272052#msg272052) Edit: Ah, Furienify's right, this'd only keep things going. Sleepy time.
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O_O
DOUBLE SPOILER!!!!!
Darn, couldn't use my PC yesterday, and only got to know of this now
IT'S AWESOME!
StB is one of ZUN's best games, it is only comparable to PCB and UFO in my opinion. Even if this is just an expansion pack...
...StB2 ? OMG YES!
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He. Muon said you'd be excited :V
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Even if this is just an expansion pack...
It's not. At least not in the manner that 12.3 was to 10.5.
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Registered just to post this.
Most people in Japan have a traditional or out-dated mindset about commercial products always being better than doujins. There are various reasons to this I don't want to expand on, or know really well enough to be confident about what I'm saying.
Anyway, those who own games like Gradius and other commercial shooting games (sorry, I'm not really fond of shooters) tend to have a degraded view on the quality of doujin products within the same game genre. Touhou does not seem to be an exception.
I personally find this out-dated thought ridiculous.
I might be completely off the mark in this and my opinion might be nothing more than speculation based on subjective inferences about the games themselves, since I'm not too familiar with the Japanese fandom at all, so feel free to correct me if that is the case.
Could it be that such "elitism" towards the Touhou danmaku shmups has to do with the fact that they are easier than most industry-standard Cave arcade shmups? I'm by no means a good shmup player, my skills are barely average and substandard most of the times (I haven't played them too much either, I've only gotten immersed in the genre via Touhou and I've only returned to it fairly recently after taking a break after MoF was released), but I've found that no amount lolMAME practice made me good enough to reach Stage 5 in Dodonpachi and ESPGaluda, but I've managed much more with most Touhou games in just a couple of weeks.
I personally find Touhou games much more enjoyable than Cave shooters, since the latter are much more about muscle memory (yes, much more than Touhou in my opinion) and twitch reflexes due to absurdly fast-paced danmaku, while Touhou feels more laid back and a bit more "strategic" in its patterns. However, I can see how people who are gods at Dodonpachi and the like can feel that Touhou is substandard in this respect--not that I share those impressions, though, since I believe the game stands with a style of its own in the danmaku genre.
However (and here is from where I take this previous idea from, so you'll see why I say it's completely subjective) I certainly feel such is the case with the Touhou fighting games. I'm a competitive fighting game enthusiast, to be honest, and though I'm not a really good player by Japanese standards, while the Touhou fighting games look nice and have some neat ideas here and there, they're completely substandard when compared to industry leaders such as Guilty Gear and Street Fighter, or even newcomers to it like Arcana Heart. However, the fact that Melty Blood was originally a doujin game by no means prevented it from garnering a huge following in the Japanese competitive fighting scene, making it one of the usual games in the Tougeki SBO competitions.
I don't know, maybe I'm completely off the mark here. Feel free to shoot my argument down if that is the case.
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Could it be that such "elitism" towards the Touhou danmaku shmups has to do with the fact that they are easier than most industry-standard Cave arcade shmups?
It's not about difficulty level that gives most Japanese people this mind preset. Rather, it has nothing to do with the game quality itself, though that's how many Japanese people like to phrase it.
It has much more to do with the past of the doujin culture, the differences between the concept of doujin and the concept of industry-standard games, and the difference between the resources that doujin and industry-standard games have or had.
Essentially, when Japanese people say "Something is just a doujin," they mean it was made by a single or a small group of amateurs, not given that much time/effort/money into it, and therefore should not be compared to industry-standard games. That's really just a minor part of the entire history, but it's all I will say now.
Touhou has an even more complex situation. When Touhou 6 came out, various unrelated boards on 2ch got trashed by "Touhou is god" "[insert industry-standard product here] sucks" sort of comments, which gave most of the Japanese community a terrible impression of Touhou as "an upstart doujin for the immature Middle Schoolers." Even now, using nicovideo as an example, if there happens to be a Touhou song in a workBGM video, there are all of these storm comments that trash Touhou as a doujin.
Hence, most people think bad of Touhou before they start it, if they come to the point of trying to get to know Touhou at all.
Again, that's really only a small part of the story. Your ideas may have some influence, but is not really what I was talking about.
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That's not really the issue, though. It's that the people within the Touhou fandom care more about the music, characters, and the joke of a "story" than they do about the fact that it's a top-down, vertical shoot-em-up at its very core. The spell cards that set it apart in the shmup world has taken a back seat to the fandom, even in the region that the game is from. At this point, ZUN could remove the game aspect entirely and just release soundtracks and pictures of new characters with vague background stories, and according to those stats, nearly 80% of the Touhou fandom will not care. That is all sorts of sad.
This...But also
100 charismatic points for the first person that doesn't think they're better than other fans purely for differences in methods of enjoyment.
This too.
While I find it shocking how few people actually give a nod towards Touhou's TRUE nature, it's also somewhat justified given how niche STGs are in general. I mean someone isn't at fault simply because they don't like shmups, enjoying the music and fanon, along with whatever else is completely up to them. I know if I didn't like shmups, I probably would have never discovered Touhou, but if I disliked shmups, and I WAS somehow introduced to the things I like about Touhou (the music and fan games mostly), I'd still consider myself a fan in the end because I find that the OODLES amount of quality Touhou-content that isn't actually a shmup to be quite staggering.
Shmups in general turn off alot of people for a number of reasons, a big one IMO is that it's just plain too hard for your average casual gamer (and even some non casuals). STB only accentuated this. But I still think STB to be a good idea on Zun's part because there is already SO MUCH quality fan-made content for Touhou, and so little of it are shmups. Why shouldn't the guy who most likely does Touhou shmups best, continue to do it? While I'd love to see his attempt at making other games using the Touhou universe, I still think that continuing to make Shmups is really his way of providing his original and shmup fans with what they enjoy.
It's not about difficulty level that gives most Japanese people this mind preset. Rather, it has nothing to do with the game quality itself, though that's how many Japanese people like to phrase it.
It has much more to do with the past of the doujin culture, the differences between the concept of doujin and the concept of industry-standard games, and the difference between the resources that doujin and industry-standard games have or had.
Essentially, when Japanese people say "Something is just a doujin," they mean it was made by a single or a small group of amateurs, not given that much time/effort/money into it, and therefore should not be compared to industry-standard games. That's really just a minor part of the entire history, but it's all I will say now.
Touhou has an even more complex situation. When Touhou 6 came out, various unrelated boards on 2ch got trashed by "Touhou is god" "[insert industry-standard product here] sucks" sort of comments, which gave most of the Japanese community a terrible impression of Touhou as "an upstart doujin for the immature Middle Schoolers." Even now, using nicovideo as an example, if there happens to be a Touhou song in a workBGM video, there are all of these storm comments that trash Touhou as a doujin.
Again, that's really only a small part of the story. You're ideas may have some influence, but is not really what I was talking about.
I think that is human nature, not just Japanese culture. I know a vast majority of ordinary gamers who haven't even heard or seen Touhou would snub it and say something like "I only like REAL games" just because Touhou isn't made by Blizzard, or Square, or whatever.
I know the other day I put on my iPhone in the car while my brother was driving to listen to some Touhou metal (myon myon at the time), and my brother whined "Why don't you listen to other stuff", I said "because I've only just started listening to this and like 90% of it is still new practically, and it sounds great". My brother replied "I prefer REAL music". I said "this IS real music, what, you want vocals?". Brother: "No, like actual bands"..
As much as I want to tell my brother he's a moron, fact is his opinion is probably perfectly normal for your average human. People by nature typically don't respect something without recognizing a big name sitting in front of it telling them "this is good.
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That's not really the issue, though. It's that the people within the Touhou fandom care more about the music, characters, and the joke of a "story" than they do about the fact that it's a top-down, vertical shoot-em-up at its very core. The spell cards that set it apart in the shmup world has taken a back seat to the fandom, even in the region that the game is from. At this point, ZUN could remove the game aspect entirely and just release soundtracks and pictures of new characters with vague background stories, and according to those stats, nearly 80% of the Touhou fandom will not care. That is all sorts of sad.
Seriously.
It's the games that matter to me. Touhou could use spaceships, robots, or even dudes as the characters, and as long as it's still fun and colorful with ZUN's trademark patterns and his music that sets his work apart from the other doujins, I'd still be all over it.
Then again, I'm a shmup fan first and a Touhou fan second.
Either way, I think much of the fanbase is sadly out of touch with what they're fans of!
Registered just to post this.
I might be completely off the mark in this and my opinion might be nothing more than speculation based on subjective inferences about the games themselves, since I'm not too familiar with the Japanese fandom at all, so feel free to correct me if that is the case.
Could it be that such "elitism" towards the Touhou danmaku shmups has to do with the fact that they are easier than most industry-standard Cave arcade shmups? I'm by no means a good shmup player, my skills are barely average and substandard most of the times (I haven't played them too much either, I've only gotten immersed in the genre via Touhou and I've only returned to it fairly recently after taking a break after MoF was released), but I've found that no amount lolMAME practice made me good enough to reach Stage 5 in Dodonpachi and ESPGaluda, but I've managed much more with most Touhou games in just a couple of weeks.
I personally find Touhou games much more enjoyable than Cave shooters, since the latter are much more about muscle memory (yes, much more than Touhou in my opinion) and twitch reflexes due to absurdly fast-paced danmaku, while Touhou feels more laid back and a bit more "strategic" in its patterns. However, I can see how people who are gods at Dodonpachi and the like can feel that Touhou is substandard in this respect--not that I share those impressions, though, since I believe the game stands with a style of its own in the danmaku genre.
However (and here is from where I take this previous idea from, so you'll see why I say it's completely subjective) I certainly feel such is the case with the Touhou fighting games. I'm a competitive fighting game enthusiast, to be honest, and though I'm not a really good player by Japanese standards, while the Touhou fighting games look nice and have some neat ideas here and there, they're completely substandard when compared to industry leaders such as Guilty Gear and Street Fighter, or even newcomers to it like Arcana Heart. However, the fact that Melty Blood was originally a doujin game by no means prevented it from garnering a huge following in the Japanese competitive fighting scene, making it one of the usual games in the Tougeki SBO competitions.
I don't know, maybe I'm completely off the mark here. Feel free to shoot my argument down if that is the case.
It's not like there isn't any Touhou elitism toward other shmups either, you know. Go to any Youtube video of a CAVE shmup and I guarantee there will be a comment saying 'Touhou is harder!'. Whoever says this is a) a troll or b) an elitist drooling retard.
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Elitists will be elitists.
これわこれ、それわそれ.
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Elitists will be elitists.
これわこれ、それわそれ.
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well, I dislike StB because of
1) extreme memorization
2) BAD controls(I mean Silver Surfer bad)
3) repetitiveness, you are forced to go through the trivial crap again and again just to fail at the final part for the 100th time because the controls suck
cave etc
I kinda understand these elitists...there was this thread on the shmup forums
Slow doesn't just refer to bullet speed. Enemy movement, your own shots, backgrounds, sound, everything in those games just lacks dynamics.
I became bored with the series even with lunatic.. and the fanbase is obsessed with things that involve not playing the game.
yeah, that gap basically separates touhou fans and other shmup players
touhou fans want the story, the music, the characters, the art and they mostly discuss that stuff
to be completely honest, 90% of the fanbase treats it more like an anime than a game and more than 50% doesn't play the games
shmup players don't give three shits about story, characters and stuff.
They want fast paced gameplay.
And they are also tired of that "touhou is harder hurr durr" as Matsuri said.
But yeah, both sides have elitists :V
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It's not that I dislike the characters or story or anything. It just takes the back burner in comparison to the games themselves.
What really upsets me here is that ZUN goes out of his way to make a new game for us, and all some people are doing is whining about it. Not only is it completely ungrateful, it's pathetic.
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I wonder how many people here consider themselves to treat Touhou as what ZUN meant it to be, and what they think ZUN's intentions are.
I also wonder how many people here treat Touhou as an anime-like game or a hardcore shmup without considering what ZUN's intentions are.
Or perhaps these wonders were out of the question here.
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Touhou is something I want to enjoy, regardless of anyones opinions.
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well yeah, you are somewhere in the middle :V
I'm kind of disappoint with the new game being another StB, but then again I'd be disappoint even with a normal shmup because MoF and beyond didn't appeal to me with all these gimmicks and poor balance.
I wonder how many people here consider themselves to treat Touhou as what ZUN meant it to be, and what they describe ZUN's intentions to be.
What zun meant it to be anyways? I just treat it as a slower shmup.
It's hard to understand a permanently drunk dude :V
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What really upsets me here is that ZUN goes out of his way to make a new game for us, and all some people are doing is whining about it. Not only is it completely ungrateful, it's pathetic.
Y'know, ZUN does makes money off of his games. It's not like it's a completely noble endeavor. :x People are obligated to not like things.
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What zun meant it to be anyways? I just treat it as a slower shmup.
This, pretty much. The only reason I got into Touhou at all was because of the sheer challenge it gave me (it was my introduction to shmups, pretty much). I don't play them all that much any more, but I've found all of the shooters enjoyable, and I'm looking forward to the new one quite a lot... I'm anticipating some lovely, brutal patterns if what ZUN said about the difficulty is correct. Then again, I think I remember him saying UFO was supposed to be easier than SA, so... :V
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Y'know, ZUN does makes money off of his games. It's not like it's a completely noble endeavor. :x People are obligated to not like things.
Noble or not, and liked or not, there's really no reason to complain this much over a new game, treating it as if it's something horrible just because it's a StB sequel and not a new 6-stage shooter with new characters and music that most fans won't even play more than once, let alone buy.
Furthermore, if the fans who claim to be fans because of everything but the games, why are they complaining about something that they wouldn't normally care about at all?
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Well, I'll admit my enthusiasm for this game is slightly dulled because it will probably destroy me (although I was able to unlock stage 8 in StB, I couldn't capture anything reliably in stage 6 and beyond), I think I could enjoy this game as long as some of the technical issues I had with StB are removed, mainly involving the controls.
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I guess it will never change that playing comes before buying, if buying comes at all for most of you here. （?・ω・）
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I guess it will never change that playing comes before buying, if buying comes at all for most of you here. （?・ω・）
I need to ask though: Does money revolve (made a prioritiy) around doujin works a lot more than commercial works?
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It has much more to do with the past of the doujin culture, the differences between the concept of doujin and the concept of industry-standard games, and the difference between the resources that doujin and industry-standard games have or had.
Essentially, when Japanese people say "Something is just a doujin," they mean it was made by a single or a small group of amateurs, not given that much time/effort/money into it, and therefore should not be compared to industry-standard games. That's really just a minor part of the entire history, but it's all I will say now.
But what about Melty Blood? It's a doujin but it's pretty well accepted as a "REAL game" in the Japanese fighting scene.
shmup players don't give three shits about story, characters and stuff.
They want fast paced gameplay.
Maybe I'm just a shitty shmup player but I think Touhou games stand well on their own against Cave shmups, since they are so different.
It's not that I dislike the characters or story or anything. It just takes the back burner in comparison to the games themselves.
Yeah, me too--obviously the music and the aesthetics of the games are a big plus, but that's just background (I find 90% of the rest of the shmups completely dull and boring in presentation and aesthetics, exceptions might be made for Mushihime-sama and a couple others I can't remember at the moment). But it's not like it's the be-all, end-all of everything. ZUN's artwork is sloppy at best and terribad at worst, the sprites are not exactly detailed and most of the stage enemies haven't changed since EoSD. The music is good, though, but still it's not like it's OMG AWESOME, either. And I don't really care about the characters other than the fact that Reimu has a small hitbox and Marisa is fast and has an uber forward shot.
I wonder how many people here consider themselves to treat Touhou as what ZUN meant it to be, and what they think ZUN's intentions are.
I also wonder how many people here treat Touhou as an anime-like game or a hardcore shmup without considering what ZUN's intentions are.
Why would I care about ZUN's intentions? I only care about the fact that it's a very enjoyable shmup game. Whatever ZUN wants to make of it shouldn't matter to anyone, I think.
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I need to ask though: Does money revolve (made a prioritiy) around doujin works a lot more than commercial works?
Ironically I think ZUN said something along the lines of "even doujin companies are still companies and thus need to have some focus on selling" or something like that
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There is no doubt that Touhou is great. It is a decent as a shmup series, and that there lot of ways to enjoy it even if it isn't inside de games exe. There is when the problem starts, I like to share my opinion on anything related to it, and the thing is when the retarded side of fanbase actually gets in your way.
I know lots of people that enjoy Touhou that doesn't play the games, but they know a lot about the subject. It has been pretty enjoyable to actually hold conversation with these people, even if it is not game discussion. Sadly, I have encountered lots of fans that don?t seem to have the amount of intelligent to be able to hold a 30 seconds conversation. I always try to stay away from this the most I can.
Luckily, this isn't something that happens too often. This is pretty much the only Touhou related community/forum in which there is actual game discussion. I don' take part of it really often since I don't have anything interesting/relevant or something that have already been said. As long as ZUN continues with his fabulous work (even if he stops) I will follow the series closely.
Going back to the subject, it is a matter of opinion to like StB or not. Maybe some hardcore shmup player may find it extremely boring/weird, but it is quite fun once you really get into it. I always see StB as ZUN's danmaku players training facility and it is always fun to see more patterns from character that you have already beat. Subterranean Animism is still my favorite Touhou game by far, but Shoot the Bullet has a special spot in my heart because of how hard it is and because of all those painful hours trying to complete it, which is pretty much the reason I love it. Harder is always better in my opinion.
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This topic is so intellectually disingenuous it's painful to read.
People are allowed to like and to dislike things. They're going to. People can also like or dislike the fact that other people like or dislike things, but at that point we're just going in circles.
ZUN isn't doing anyone specific a favor by making another game. He's doing it a) because he wants to, and b) to make money. And you know what? Even if he made the game only as a favor to the fans of the series, there are still going to be some fans who would dislike it, and they are still allowed to express their damn opinion.
People are also allowed to like and dislike certain aspects of things. Just enjoying the music, for example, in no way makes you a "bad fan". As far as I'm concerned, there's no such thing. Uniformity ain't gonna happen, and going on about how people are bad for the series or ungrateful little pricks is just about as annoying as said people going on about how they don't care about the games or that they don't like certain ideas.
There's so much stupidity flying back and forth from both sides that sometimes I can't believe I even bother to read this topic. Seriously, people, whether you enjoy the game and the idea or not, there's way too much ad hominem going around. We can debate stuff without assuming everyone who does not think as I do is criminally stupid.
tl;dr, people are scum, but so are you, so quit yer whining :V
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Touhou seems to be focused on being pretty with music, patterns, and characters rather than being focused on difficulty. that's why i like it so much. i have to admit, removing the games would definitely lower my interest in it a bit. i can't quite explain why.
when i was complaining about 12.5, i was just in YOU WA SHOCK mode. now i see it's not all that bad, a game is a game and i'll give it a go regardless.
however, i still am saddened by no new Touhous just yet. but that's simply because i wanted something new to draw.
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I don't know if the greater half of Japanese Touhou players know shrinemaiden, but there are tons of foreigner reaction videos on nicovideo (mostly consisting of youtube feedback).
Generally speaking Youtube is possibly one of the worst places ever for feedback/reactions to almost anything unless it's universally awesome, like that Mythbusters where they used a rocket to slam a thick plate of metal into a car at nearly the speed of sound. Most of it consists of pointless statements that mean the same thing, a staggering amount of cognitive dissonance (especially on politcal videos), plus grammar and spelling that almost makes me want to cry when I think about the fact that it was probably written by an American (sometimes I wonder how a foreigner with a loose grasp of the language can derive the correct meaning from them).
Buried within all that there might be some comments that are genuinely worth something, but usually it's like trawling through the cesspool that is 4chan's /b/.
It's not that I dislike the characters or story or anything. It just takes the back burner in comparison to the games themselves.
Personally, the music (and subsequent arrangements) is #1 followed by the game itself. Music got me interested in Touhou, the music is still my main involvement with Touhou even when I'm in a position to actually play the games. That's not to say that I don't spend a couple of hours with it every other day or so (unless I've been on a TF2 binge in which case I play TF2 for disgusting amounts of time and ignore other things), but I've never really ever felt like being the kind of player that obsessively practices stages and spends hours upon hours playing the game every day, or plays on Hard or Lunatic. I've still never cleared an extra stage :ohdear:
But hell, IIRC ZUN made Touhou as a way to have people hear his compositions, so maybe the fact that I find the music to be the main attraction isn't such a bad thing after all :V
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I personally find Touhou games much more enjoyable than Cave shooters, since the latter are much more about muscle memory (yes, much more than Touhou in my opinion) and twitch reflexes due to absurdly fast-paced danmaku, while Touhou feels more laid back and a bit more "strategic" in its patterns. However, I can see how people who are gods at Dodonpachi and the like can feel that Touhou is substandard in this respect--not that I share those impressions, though, since I believe the game stands with a style of its own in the danmaku genre.
Strategy/memorization and reflexes are both equally important in any shmup, especially if you want to play high-level. For instance, it would be completely impossible to perfect stage 5 on sightread; there's just no way you'd be able to get past it without knowing how to approach it. On the other hand, there's no way someone could perfect Lunatic UFO stage 5 without having some amazing dodging skills.
Anyway, all this arguing over 12.5 amuses me greatly, since I am quite neutral towards StB in general and wasn't even expecting TH13 this year anyway. I'll probably just treat 12.5 as something to fuck around with once in a while for fun, just like with the first StB
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Strategy/memorization and reflexes are both equally important in any shmup, especially if you want to play high-level. For instance, it would be completely impossible to perfect stage 5 on sightread; there's just no way you'd be able to get past it without knowing how to approach it. On the other hand, there's no way someone could perfect Lunatic UFO stage 5 without having some amazing dodging skills.
I'm not saying you don't need skill, but when you see any Cave shmup you can see that it's way more fast paced than any Touhou game. This calls for more muscle memory (note that I didn't say memorization exactly for that same reason: you need memorization in Touhou--just not twitch-perfect memory) than any of the Touhou games I've played. Granted, I'm still not a Lunatic-level player, but I've cleared an Extra or two and it's not hard to realize.
Touhou's style is largely forcing you into making mistakes and end up walling yourself--Cave-like shmups have another approach, which is in general lines to throw a bunch of shit at you at lightspeed. I'm not saying which style is better (as I said before, I prefer Touhou's approach), but just pointing out the reason why some hardcore arcade shmup Japanese players might be put off by the danmaku aspect of the series.
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Quickly, let's continue arguing over a game nobody here has played!!!!
Yeah!!!!
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This calls for more muscle memory (note that I didn't say memorization exactly for that same reason: you need memorization in Touhou--just not twitch-perfect memory) than any of the Touhou games I've played.
I'm not sure what the difference between 'memorization' and 'muscle memory' is that you're hinting at. It's just a matter of learning a strategy to beating a pattern and using that same strategy every time, which both Cave and Touhou games have a crapton of.
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Well, I gotta say that -some- StB scenes -are- either hella hard, or luck-based
I'm trying to cap everything so far in StB, all I need now is Old Rain, BoWaP, that 5-colored turtles crappy card and Bar of the 10 kings..
The point is; I can say that for sure, many of my captures happened because of luck.
See Bar of the 10 Kings; 7th part (The white bullet spread).
The bullets are spread randomly, you can either get an open area or a wall in your face.
The whole spellcard itself is easy to go, until the 6th and 7th part; but THAT's where people don't like; you spend so much time just getting to the spell card part that you always die on that you get easily bored!
Well, that was just a side comment I made, but I do admit I'm hoping for DS to have lesser stressing spellcards... D:
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I guess it will never change that playing comes before buying, if buying comes at all for most of you here. （´・ω・）
I am proud to say I own copies of everything except for IaMP, and that I also own copies of Super Marisa Land, Super Marisa World, MegaMari and PatchCon, and have connections working on getting me Koumajou Densetsu Scarlet Symphony.
I know the stigma that Westerners have in regard to this sort of thing, but there are some of us that buy what we can.
EDIT: Since this is a such a high-profile topic, I think it's about time Edible and I unswitched.
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I own almost everything ZUN has released as well, except for the PC98 games and the Sangetsusei and Bougetsushou series. Even though I prefer the shmup aspect of Touhou the most, I enjoy ZUN's body of work, so I'm just happy that we're getting at least something this year.
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This topic is so intellectually disingenuous it's painful to read.
Pretty much this. Fortunately, ZUN doesn't give a shit and just does what the fuck he wants, and guess what, he's a better game developer than his fans.
See Bar of the 10 Kings; 7th part (The white bullet spread).
The bullets are spread randomly, you can either get an open area or a wall in your face.
There is not a single random element in 10 Kings, Turtle Spam or BoWaP, and Old Rain is "basic" streaming and weaving. You're just doing it wrong.
And people trying to compare StB to the shmups are stupid. Just saying.
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I'm actually pretty excited about this game, I didn't expect any of this heated discussion about it.
We get to see new patterns with all of the newer characters. I thought the reaction here would be better to more Nue/Byakuren/Satori patterns. Its going to be much more mentally taxing for ZUN to create new and original stages/characters/story, so this is an effective break to think about the next game more. I wouldn't be surprised to see more THxx.5s now, for as long as Team Shanghai Alice is one person. Hopefully it will create both hype for TH13 and create an overall better product for the fans.
Also, StB was one of the best danmaku "training" games", right? The challenging difficulty often makes many players better (if only it could work on my computer D:). So I think its an ingenius move by ZUN.
Like stated before, it gets rid of all disingenuous fans and offer some type of reward for those who love Touhou for what it is, a danmaku game.
REVELATION. ABOVE PARAGRAPH IS THE DOUBLE SPOILER
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have connections working on getting me Koumajou Densetsu Scarlet Symphony.
You make it sound like such a big deal.
I'm really not sure that the whole "doujin vs. commercial" criteria really hold up in this case. I've still seen Melty Blood called "ero-game garbage" by Japanese fighting game fans, even after it was released in arcades. Also, people like Nasu and Ryuwhatever07 have gone on to make commercial releases in other formats of their games. ZUN hasn't gone commercial certainly not for lack of fans or anything like that, but because he prefers to keep the official story, music, and games themselves his very own, outside of collaborative efforts like the fighting games or the comics where he probably maintains complete creative control, because it's what he likes and that's something he doesn't want to compromise on. Granted, having a team of people work on a Touhou shmup would easily make it look something like a modern Cave game, but at what cost?
And for what it's worth, I find 10.5/12.3 to be much more interesting than Melty Blood. Maybe not as solid, but a whole lot more fun to play.
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MashyMelty Blood hurts your fingers after like half an hour DX
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MashyMelty Blood hurts your fingers after like half an hour DX
At first I read that as "after like half an hour of IIDX" :D
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At first I read that as "after like half an hour of IIDX" :D
Oh great now I see it like that too :ohdear:
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Just putting my own two cents, I originally came for the shmup, stayed for the patterns and music. I've become entranced by every aspect of Touhou, even going beyond the impossible and thinking the story is something profound that more works of fiction need to follow. Even if I don't play quite as much as I used to, I still enjoy the series and welcome anything ZUN has to offer
unless it's another Phantasmagoria game >_>
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I was being silly with my last post, Kilga/Edible. I am not an elitist that knows every corner of the canon. That is just impossible anyway (dark tewi). Obviously silly because Lucarius already posted statistics from a Touhou survey and the numbers speak for themselves. Music being the highest reason to like Touhou doesn't surprise me at all. Because the BGM from IN 4b (stage and boss) captured my heart immediately the first time.
We patiently have to wait and see what kind of stuff Double Spoiler has to offer us.
You know, it would be funny if someone made a Dnh game where you play as ZUN and your goal is to free the girls from the evil hands of commercialisation (raiding an office building and reaching some fat ugly boss with sunglasses and a sigar). Wait, never mind that.
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You're just doing it wrong.
No bombs, lunatic only, final destination?
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No bombs, lunatic only, final destination?
Nah, StB is perfectly clearable by a normal mode player, even a not-that-good normal mode player with enough dedication. As a bonus, it'll improve your repertoire - I've said it a million times, I didn't know streaming until crashing and burning vs. Straw Doll Kamikaze.
But people need to stop thinking StB is "luck based" and get working on, y'know, figuring out how the cards work. I could come here and spell out how to capture the four cards he mentioned, but that would beat the point, so I'm not doing it unless explicitly asked to.
(late edit, heart attack-inducing grammar detected)
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I'm not saying you don't need skill, but when you see any Cave shmup you can see that it's way more fast paced than any Touhou game. This calls for more muscle memory (note that I didn't say memorization exactly for that same reason: you need memorization in Touhou--just not twitch-perfect memory) than any of the Touhou games I've played. Granted, I'm still not a Lunatic-level player, but I've cleared an Extra or two and it's not hard to realize.
Touhou's style is largely forcing you into making mistakes and end up walling yourself--Cave-like shmups have another approach, which is in general lines to throw a bunch of shit at you at lightspeed. I'm not saying which style is better (as I said before, I prefer Touhou's approach), but just pointing out the reason why some hardcore arcade shmup Japanese players might be put off by the danmaku aspect of the series.
As someone who plays Touhou at Lunatic as well as a lot of Cave games, I can safely say that I've never experienced a Touhou game forcing me to make a mistake and wall myself close to as much as, say, DoDonPachi. They're two very different types of shmups, and as such have different appeal; Touhou's is in the intricate patterns and the tense feeling you get from pathfinding your way through a huge maze of bullets, whereas Cave games are more focused on constantly moving across the screen, manipulating the way the enemies fire at you in order to survive, with a very high emphasis on destruction as well as dodging (and of course the very high difficulty level). DANGUN FEVERON aside, there are very few cases where Cave games are simply throwing a bunch of high speed bullets at you.
The problem arises when fans of one type of shmup play the other type and expect it to play the exact same way; Cave fans will often get turned off by the slowness and lack of dynamics in Touhou's gameplay (and the lack of randomness; given, there are spell cards which can be memorized down to the individual bullets), while Touhou fans will play a Cave game expecting to see ZUN's complex and intricate patterns to sit tight and dodge through rather than being forced to move around a lot, blowing things up (and also possibly getting turned off by the difficulty, again). I've seen both happen pretty often. :V
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As far as I remember, Touhou wiki actually differentiated two types of Shmups: Bullet Hell and Manic Shooter.
But anyway, my story is this: I always loved shmups since I was a child, however, I found the actually loleasy Tyrian to be my favorite, because it's not only a shmup, but a shmup with an atmosphere, a shmup with great music, with a story and a whole world. Since then I've played some shmups, but I never loved them as much as I love Touhou. Touhou is my game. It's my perfect dream game. It is perfectly fair, it has great music, great characters, story, world setting everything. If Touhou wouldn't exist, I'll be the one who would make it, because... I feel like it's a game made for me, and people like me.
Rather, I'm surprised I see this comment. Is there absolutely no one else here that has any connection to Japan whatsoever?
As far as I know, we have connection to Japan, but not to the Japanese Touhoudom in general.
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Generally speaking Youtube is possibly one of the worst places ever for feedback/reactions to almost anything unless it's universally awesome, like that Mythbusters where they used a rocket to slam a thick plate of metal into a car at nearly the speed of sound. Most of it consists of pointless statements that mean the same thing, a staggering amount of cognitive dissonance (especially on politcal videos), plus grammar and spelling that almost makes me want to cry when I think about the fact that it was probably written by an American (sometimes I wonder how a foreigner with a loose grasp of the language can derive the correct meaning from them).
Buried within all that there might be some comments that are genuinely worth something, but usually it's like trawling through the cesspool that is 4chan's /b/.
I don't watch youtube, perhaps because this reason gave me a terrible impression of it.
However, apparently, youtube on the Japanese side is more often used by people who are 20 years or older in age, while nicovideo is treated like the dumpster for mid-high schoolers, which surprised me very much indeed. I mean, just comparing comments between American youtube and Japanese nicovideo shows a rather large difference between the quality of commentators. As far as I've seen on the foreigner reaction videos on nicovideo, Japanese people don't bother to pick up any of what would be considered unnecessary junk from any country.
I guess comparing Japanese nicovideo to Japanese youtube, the quality of comments are better on youtube, just from looking at a few videos right now. This leaves me with the impression that only Americans have this problem on youtube.
Like you said, unless it's universally awesome, it's a terrible place for feedback. In other words, if it's just awesome within the American realm, it's a terrible place for feedback. Japanese people don't really need feedback on American things, just on Japanese things that become universally awesome to the point where there naturally would be foreign feedback.
From ones that come quickly to mind, there have been videos on vocaloids in general, touhou in general, Bad Apple PV, the CNN incident, and the Korea cyberattacking 2ch incident. I'm sure there'll be one on the PS3 calendar bug soon enough. Note also that America is simply a nation within these foreigner reaction videos. American feedback doesn't really come out more than the other countries that do.
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And MotK is also not an universally American forum. For an example, I'm from Hungary, Europe. Touhou is completely unknown here.
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And MotK is also not an universally American forum. For an example, I'm from Hungary, Europe. Touhou is completely unknown here.
There is a few fans in France too (hi5) ! But I was on a french forum and was kicked from the chat because I was speaking too much about touhou...lol ?
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And MotK is also not an universally American forum. For an example, I'm from Hungary, Europe. Touhou is completely unknown here.
There is a few fans in France too (hi5) ! But I was on a french forum and was kicked from the chat because I was speaking too much about touhou...lol ?
Capital. Only helps me serve my purpose for other Japanese people better. I'm not really centered in on Americans more-so than I am on English-speaking people.
However, I do get the impression that most Japanese people consider most English comments on the internet to originate from America by default. They don't even have England or Australia in mind, let alone nationalities with other national languages.
追記：うはｗ、ちょっと長居しすぎた。
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and the lack of randomness; given, there are spell cards which can be memorized down to the individual bullets
this
I find it irritating how some attacks seem unfairly hard and the only decent solution is "sit on the second E of the enemy marker to completely avoid everything"
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Oh gosh... already an
StB .5 Dodge all the shit bullets on the screen with only one freaking hit type of game?
The pattern look O.k. but man... I thought we would finally be able to play as "space ships shooting each other" finally again.
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EDIT: Since this is a such a high-profile topic, I think it's about time Edible and I unswitched.
bah
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I'm pretty sure the japanese thinks of us Canadians as an extension of USA with more snow and a bigger backyard.
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I'm pretty sure the japanese thinks of us Canadians as an extension of USA with more snow and a bigger backyard.
that's what i think of you guys.
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I'm pretty sure everyone thinks of Canadians as an extension of USA with more snow and a bigger backyard.
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I'm pretty sure everyone thinks of Canadians as an extension of USA with more snow and a bigger backyard.
And free health-care :V
Also, nicer people apparently.
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So, uh, Double Spoiler.
GJ ZUN.
Yeah.
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what
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This is... good. Yes, very good.
OK WHO THE FUCK AM I KIDDING FUCK YEAH
Also, sup'
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this
I find it irritating how some attacks seem unfairly hard and the only decent solution is "sit on the second E of the enemy marker to completely avoid everything"
It's part of the reason I don't play Touhou games on higher difficulties. I'd rather not waste my time learning individual spell cards like that.
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ZENGAR! Glad to see you're alright.
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Nah, StB is perfectly clearable by a normal mode player, even a not-that-good normal mode player with enough dedication. As a bonus, it'll improve your repertoire - I've said it a million times, I didn't know streaming until crashing and burning vs. Straw Doll Kamikaze.
But people need to stop thinking StB is "luck based" and get working on, y'know, figuring out how the cards work. I could come here and spell out how to capture the four cards he mentioned, but that would beat the point, so I'm not doing it unless explicitly asked to.
(late edit, heart attack-inducing grammar detected)
Meeh, I guess I am kindda ragey because of those spellcards...
I'm sorry if I made you angry .-.
Well, I guess I'll seek a bit help at the spellcard help thread, I get this feeling I won't feel good if I play DS with StB not fully cleared D:
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I'm pretty sure the japanese thinks of us Canadians as an extension of USA with more snow and a bigger backyard.
Most definitely not.
Japanese people think the first thing Americans will do when Americans see a Japanese guy walking down the street is throw curse words capped by "Jap" at them. Japanese people also think if those Japanese people were to retort, they'd get shot. The people I met this winter in Japan may have been exaggerating their opinions, but the only words that came to their minds when speaking of America is "f*****' Jap." This stereotype doesn't quite match the level of Japan against Korea, but it's still quite strong nevertheless.
Japanese people tend to get quite a laugh from videos like this: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7986790
Japanese people, including me, believe Canada is many times friendlier and safer than USA has ever been.
Some comments from Japanese people on their impression of Canada.
背の高い林が多そうなイメージがあるｗ large trees.
なんか、メイプルとかそういうのは、大体カナダ産ってイメージかも。 home of the maples.
なんか、マイナスなイメージはあんまりないかな。 not much negative image.
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This game will have completely new characters and scenes from the previous Bunkachou, Shoot the Bullet.
All characters and scenes featured in Touhou Bunkachou ~Shoot the Bullet will return for this second installment, along with brand new content!
Lucarius, any idea which of these is the (more) accurate translation? The second one came from here (http://www.gensokyo.org/archives/1220#more-1220).
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Also, ZUN should let the casual players have fun.
It's a goddamn chore to unlock lunatic UFO practice. Re-enable more lives and the old continues.
And the godawful power system. Can't capture anything because having fun equals permanent 1 power.
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Also, ZUN should let the casual players have fun.
Isn't this what Easy is for?
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Most definitely not.
Japanese people think the first thing Americans will do when Americans see a Japanese guy walking down the street is throw curse words capped by "Jap" at them. Japanese people also think if those Japanese people were to retort, they'd get shot. The people I met this winter in Japan may have been exaggerating their opinions, but the only words that came to their minds when speaking of America is "f*****' Jap." This stereotype doesn't quite match the level of Japan against Korea, but it's still quite strong nevertheless.
Japanese people, including me, believe Canada is many times friendlier and safer than USA has ever been.
Not only the Japanese think like this. Hungarians think like this too, but that goes like "Americans are very stupid and will shoot you for no reason." Really, I think the whole "keeping guns legally" gives quite the paranoia to other countries' people.
Also, I heard, in Canada beer is free too. :V
As far as I know, the Japanese speak positively about my country, with the exception of hating John von Neumann because he helped inventing the Nuclear Bomb, instead of praising him for inventing the basics of the modern PCs. :V
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Japanese people tend to get quite a laugh from videos like this: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7986790
To be fair, I'm American and I got quite a laugh from that.
Always interesting to hear the foreign opinions on America, at any rate.
ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNYWAY, DABURU SUPOIRAA
Really looking forward to this! I know when I first got StB I ragequit almost immediately because it was too hard, but I've been playing it recently and it really is fun. Looking forward to what ZUN can do with characters like Utsuho and Ichirin.
I'm also really hoping Byakuren gets some cards that don't make every start screaming SHE'S A THIEF BURN THE WITCH :ohdear:
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Lucarius, any idea which of these is the (more) accurate translation? The second one came from here (http://www.gensokyo.org/archives/1220#more-1220).
The first. I see why the second translator would make that mistake. However, by looking at the following screenshots, it's safer to go with the first translation.
I'll analyze this passage for you to my fullest extent.
前回の「東方文花帖 ～ Shoot the Bullet.」から全てのキャラ、シーンを一新し、さらに追加のあれやこれも含めた最新作。
A) This newest installment in the series will have all of the characters and scenes renewed from the previous Shoot the Bullet, with many this-and-thats in addition.
B) This newest installment in the series will have all of the characters and scenes from the previous Shoot the Bullet renewed, with many this-and-thats in addition.
A) states Double Spoiler will contain new stuff in addition to completely new characters and scenes not in StB.
B) states Double Spoiler will contain new stuff in addition to refined characters and scenes from StB.
You see how putting the word "renewed" in different parts of the statement would give the statement completely different meanings. Directly speaking, A) states that the characters and scenes from Shoot the Bullet will NOT be in Double Spoiler, while B) states that the characters and scenes from Shoot the Bullet will be "refined" in Double Spoiler.
The original text can be taken both ways, because the term 一新 can mean "power up", or "clear the board and start anew." However, because of the phrasing "StB から characters and scenes を一新," A) is more suitable. The screenshots also probably point toward the meaning of A), given that none of the enemies there are in StB. It wouldn't make sense (well, it may but, for the sake of support) for ZUN to put up screenshots of elements he purposefully phrased as "this-and-thats." The this-and-thats may be referring to angled shots, and other elements of the gameplay.
Koipop: The term "nicer" doesn't cut it for the difference between Canadians and Americans. In our opinion, Canada and America would have as much difference as heaven and hell in regards to civil people.
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Japanese people think the first thing Americans will do when Americans see a Japanese guy walking down the street is throw curse words capped by "Jap" at them. Japanese people also think if those Japanese people were to retort, they'd get shot. The people I met this winter in Japan may have been exaggerating their opinions, but the only words that came to their minds when speaking of America is "f*****' Jap." This stereotype doesn't quite match the level of Japan against Korea, but it's still quite strong nevertheless.
Japanese people tend to get quite a laugh from videos like this: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7986790
Japanese people, including me, believe Canada is many times friendlier and safer than USA has ever been.
Some comments from Japanese people on their impression of Canada.
背の高い林が多そうなイメージがあるｗ large trees.
なんか、メイプルとかそういうのは、大体カナダ産ってイメージかも。 home of the maples.
なんか、マイナスなイメージはあんまりないかな。 not much negative image.
Which is why I said:
nicer people apparently.
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The first. I see why the second translator would make that mistake. However, by looking at the following screenshots, it's safer to go with the first translation.
I'll analyze this passage for you to my fullest extent.
That's excellent, thanks a lot. And yeah, the Level 1 select screen with Shizuha in particular does suggest that first translation.
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Isn't this what Easy is for?
well, I'm a casual lunatic :V
I don't feel like playing for hours figuring out stuff to get a 1cc
I just want to start up a practice stage and have fun
constant 1 power easily removes any fun
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Well, one thing is true: StB made me better in Touhou. I want that from DS too.
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Do you think that we will get more pendulum,parasol,brofist,anchor,curvy lasers, curvy glowing amulets spell cards ?
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Do you think that we will get more pendulum,parasol,brofist,anchor,curvy lasers, curvy glowing amulets spell cards ?
Yes.
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Curving pendulum parasol brofist anchor amulet lasers!
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Curving pendulum parasol brofist anchor amulet lasers!
DOOM !
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8-2 Get! Finally. Four more scenes to unlock 10, 9 is bullshit, dammit. Also, something I don't want to see in DS: THOSE FUCKING PELLETS!!! ARRGH!!
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I'm curious to know if the bad reputation of Detroit carries over to Japan. Hey, Canada is only twenty minutes from my house, what does that make me? :V
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I'm curious to know if the bad reputation of Detroit carries over to Japan. Hey, Canada is only twenty minutes from my house, what does that make me? :V
I found it surprising that many Japanese people know of the contents of the movie, Bowling for Columbine, the Michael Moore film.
Perhaps that answers your question.
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I found it surprising that many Japanese people know of the contents of the movie, Bowling for Columbine, the Michael Moore film.
Perhaps that answers your question.
Are the Japanese also aware of Michael Moore's standing with the general populous?
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Are the Japanese also aware of Michael Moore's standing with the general populous?
Probably not. I can ask later.
In fact, I'm probably not either.
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Hey, Canada is only twenty minutes from my house, what does that make me? :V
Remember what Freezepop says.
If you're travelling outside of U.S, say you're from "near-Canada" :V
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Are the Japanese also aware of Michael Moore's standing with the general populous?
His reaction to Akihabara in general was hilarious.
And I don't know if it's because I associate with more open-minded people, but I've never heard anyone in Japan speak THAT harshly about America, although most conversations take place in real life so they might be toned down a bit. Not to mention how a lot of the people here see Hawaii and California as popular vacation spots.
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And I don't know if it's because I associate with more open-minded people, but I've never heard anyone in Japan speak THAT harshly about America, although most conversations take place in real life so they might be toned down a bit. Not to mention how a lot of the people here see Hawaii and California as popular vacation spots.
Certainly, most Japanese people wish to go to America at least once, New York, Hawaii, Florida, California being the most major.
Many Japanese people consider Hawaii as half-Japanese half-American to begin with as well.
And yes, my conversations with Japanese people had much joke and exaggeration within it I'm sure. However, it is for certain that most Japanese people consider America to be a dangerous place.
Nevertheless, I don't believe Japanese people say anything "harsh" about America in comparison to what they say about Korea.
And Japanese people who haven't left Japan before are relatively more close-minded, not just to other countries, but even towards other provinces and cities within Japan, Osaka being a major victim of such close-mindedness.
I'm as close-minded as the number of facts I believe are in fact facts~♪
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California as popular vacation spots.
California
popular
You did not just say that. >:(
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You did not just say that. >:(
At least I believe CA is much friendlier (in terms of availability) to those who have a taste in otaku culture.
I've been posting too much.
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Japanese people think the first thing Americans will do when Americans see a Japanese guy walking down the street is throw curse words capped by "Jap" at them. Japanese people also think if those Japanese people were to retort, they'd get shot. The people I met this winter in Japan may have been exaggerating their opinions, but the only words that came to their minds when speaking of America is "f*****' Jap." This stereotype doesn't quite match the level of Japan against Korea, but it's still quite strong nevertheless.
it's certainly nice to see that we're thought of so highly. :V
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Japanese people think the first thing Americans will do when Americans see a Japanese guy walking down the street is throw curse words capped by "Jap" at them. Japanese people also think if those Japanese people were to retort, they'd get shot. The people I met this winter in Japan may have been exaggerating their opinions, but the only words that came to their minds when speaking of America is "f*****' Jap." This stereotype doesn't quite match the level of Japan against Korea, but it's still quite strong nevertheless.
Not just only Japan, but most Asian countries believe in the same idea.
I almost hate to say this but...
Does Japan and Korea hate each other that much? Most I know are friends with each other but after seeing some stuff on this thread... :ohdear:
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Ah, afraid of guns? I always looked to that particular aspect as one of our brighter sides. No need to worry about getting invaded, right? The citizenry will gun you down on its own if the military fails. (Though yes, lack of gun control does lead to several violent/sad conflicts that should never happen, it's a double edged sword.)
California is popular in the country on its own, it'd make sense that it would have a similar notoriety in foreign countries.
I wish America could reform its image, honestly. We're absolutely inundated with faults and problems, but surely it's something we can fix?
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Not just only Japan, but most Asian countries believe in the same idea.
I almost hate to say this but...
Does Japan and Korea hate each other that much? Most I know are friends with each other but after seeing some stuff on this thread... :ohdear:
Are you not aware of the recent "Korea cyberattacking Japan's 2ch" incident?
I'm not a Vipper so I don't know the specific details. I have some Korean acquaintances myself, and have never had anything against Koreans as a race.
However, as I've seen from various articles, including niclopedia, on the subject of Hankan/Hannichi (Japan vs Korea), it seems quite ghastly. Nicovideo seems to have an excessive amount of videos in various genres from sports to tv that ridicule and criticize Korea. In fact, I rarely ever see these types of videos against other countries (except maybe China's environmental problems). Videos on the FIFA International Soccer (don't know sports well) and the recent 2ch stood out. My parents tell me such ridiculous grudges originate from biased (but true, like enslavement etc.) education on historical events, but there seems to be no effort towards cleaning things up.
From what I know of the most recent incident, about 50,000 Koreans gathered to cyberattack one of 2ch's board which seemed to be ridiculing one of the Korean ice-skaters in the Winter Olympics. They spammed F5 on the Japanese 2ch server, causing it to crash. 2ch was inaccessible for a few days, and remained quite heavy for a while. There's a lot more on this in detail in several nicovideos explaining the incident from the Japanese point of view, but I don't really want to spend my time translating the whole incident, primarily because I really have no interest in this subject. (Note however that 2ch is not as closed-off and subcultural as it used to be. Many Japanese people from the ordinary social branch use it like regular customers. Hence many people were enraged.)
I don't know anything about the 2ch incident or anti-Japanese in general from the Korean side, because I've only received information on this subject from Japanese sources.
American Koreans and American Japanese people seem to have nothing to do with this conflict at all, or want to have anything to do with it, which is a good thing.
Ah, afraid of guns? I always looked to that particular aspect as one of our brighter sides. No need to worry about getting invaded, right? The citizenry will gun you down on its own if the military fails. (Though yes, lack of gun control does lead to several violent/sad conflicts that should never happen, it's a double edged sword.)
Most nations in the world don't mind that every household in Switzerland owns a gun. Many nations mind that Americans hold guns. We're not afraid of guns, we're more afraid of the Americans that shoot with them.
I really do consider whether I should post this in this thread or not, though it may seem I'm the main reason for derailing this thread...
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Most nations in the world don't mind that every household in Switzerland owns a gun. Many nations mind that Americans hold guns.
That was a very elegant way to make a nice point. I'll have to think about that, and I might use it sometime in the future myself.
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I think part of the whole america being scary is thanks to due the whole Rap urban culture we got going on. I've heard that people sometimes will judge the US based on that culture.
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Well the historical facts are the reason why Korea and Japan seem to dislike each other, but most Koreans are friendly toward the Japanese (as I am Korean myself :V). But other families still do not like the Japanese because of the "incident" (although it happened many years ago) so that probably explains the Korean's side of why they argue with Japan.
Also like you, I have never had anything against the Japanese since I like the media (doesn't everybody XD) and have Japanese friends as well. I guess there is no way of cleaning things up... time will tell... =/
I sound like a history teacher.
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I think part of the whole america being scary is thanks to due the whole Rap urban culture we got going on. I've heard that people sometimes will judge the US based on that culture.
The American urban culture certainly adds to the whole emphasis on curse words that Japanese people seem to have a large impression of.
However, Japan has rap, and doesn't find American rap scary in any way. Many people get laughs out of the amount of curse words in it though.
Most Japanese people would probably equate the American urban culture (hip-hop, rap, graffiti and all) with the Japanese late night motorbike gangs (not the Yakuza, but mid-high schooler stuff).
I personally don't really like the music genre of rap and hip-hop, nor do I really appreciate graffiti art, but I've never found it scary. Japan's gang deals are probably scarier, and Japan has its own kind of graffiti as well.
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The American urban culture certainly adds to the whole emphasis on curse words that Japanese people seem to have a large impression of.
However, Japan has rap, and doesn't find American rap scary in any way. Many people get laughs out of the amount of curse words in it though.
American rap music influences people all over the world in some way. I happen to live right next to Mexico so many of the cartels sing rap songs about violence and drugs, which is the main reason of all the fighting there. :ohdear:
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Mmm ... I wonder what the Japanese think of people living in America ?
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The American urban culture certainly adds to the whole emphasis on curse words that Japanese people seem to have a large impression of.
However, Japan has rap, and doesn't find American rap scary in any way. Many people get laughs out of the amount of curse words in it though.
Most Japanese people would probably equate the American urban culture (hip-hop, rap, graffiti and all) with the Japanese late night motorbike gangs (not the Yakuza, but mid-high schooler stuff).
That might explain why it was ok for a store in Yokosuka to be flashing gang signs and flipping me off. I swear, that was one heck of a trip when I first saw that.
Still though, where I live, there's quite a few people who try to live to that lifestyle they sing about to a T. Kinda annoying, and that's what I figured they saw when they saw rap.
Any idea if it is just the freedom to own firearms is the only reason? I remember part of the American stereotype there was we were gun happy.
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ITT Europe, Africa and other continents do not exist. They are all 'America'.
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Mmm ... I wonder what the Japanese think of people living in America ?
Japanese people think the first thing Americans will do when Americans see a Japanese guy walking down the street is throw curse words capped by "Jap" at them. Japanese people also think if those Japanese people were to retort, they'd get shot. The people I met this winter in Japan may have been exaggerating their opinions, but the only words that came to their minds when speaking of America is "f*****' Jap." This stereotype doesn't quite match the level of Japan against Korea, but it's still quite strong nevertheless.
Japanese people tend to get quite a laugh from videos like this: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7986790
May be somewhat of an exaggeration, but this. It's basically the summary of a part of a conversation I had with several Japanese guy in the mid-20s, explaining their first impression of a U.S. citizen. I can see how this thought would surface just by comparing the employees in a U.S. airport and a Japanese airport.
ITT Europe, Africa and other continents do not exist. They are all 'America'.
You have to understand that Japan gets much more cultural influence from the U.S. than any nation from Europe, Africa, South America, Australia, and Antartica. Many Japanese people are aware that Japan is dying as a nation, to the extent they fear China or the U.S. is going to dominate them within the next half-century.
Firestorm29: It is simple enough to name a few major things like guns. However, as one who has much experience in Japan and the U.S. (as well as several other nations), there are many other smaller things that come to my mind. I could go about explaining all of them, but would probably not be understood so well without the actual experience.
If you had enough experience to understand what I would say, then you would already have that knowledge within you, I'm sure. Quite frankly, I'm too lazy to go about listing everything I know that would make the place I currently live in (NY) sound like garbage. Perhaps after I move, if you're still interested. I'd have to start from the differences between educational foundations and what not.
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Well, I did technically live in Japan, though I didn't know Japanese. I say technically since my ship started leaving port more often towards the end of my tour there.
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You seem to be a person very learned about the world, Lucarius. I hope you didn't mind answering all these questions from all us inquisitive folk. :3
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ITT Europe, Africa and other continents do not exist. They are all 'America'.
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New Touhou game! YEAH!! Double Spoiler! FUCK YEAH!!
I can't even clear any of the scenes from level 3
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You have to understand that Japan gets much more cultural influence from the U.S. than any nation from Europe, Africa, South America, Australia, and Antartica.
Germany is pretty well known in Japan as well, from my experiences, more than other European countries at least. The reason would probably be that there were lots of connections in politics and medicine in the past.
Funny thing is that people seemed to be more open-minded towards us when they realized we were not Americans as they always thought at first. We also saw a number of stores strictly for produts from Germany (mostly electronics, Siemens and the like). Oh, and not to mention beer: German beer-festival in Sendai, Yokohama Oktoberfest etc.
And while many people we encountered had problems with speaking English, but we ran into a German-speaking youth hostel owner once.
On the topic: I'm pretty excied for the new game. Though I know it will kick my ass. I only managed to clear some scenes by applying a speedhack and slowing it to 40%, else I wouldn't even survive the first second. My reflexes are that horrible :V
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that was the most strangest history lesson ever
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You seem to be a person very learned about the world, Lucarius. I hope you didn't mind answering all these questions from all us inquisitive folk. :3
My answers are nothing more than my own analyses founded on facts and opinions from my own experiences as well as reliable and unreliable secondary sources, and should only be treated as nothing more than internet gibberish, as unreliable as internet sources are. Even my translational knowledge is terribly unreliable now, because I haven't used English in over half a year or so. Simply put, what I say shouldn't be taken seriously in any way.
I myself only continue to do this to practice English, which I really don't use nor have any use for anymore, and to kill time while I'm unable to sleep. However, if my opinions are valued in any way, then I'd be glad to keep posting, to the extent that I can answer such inquiries.
Moe Moe Buri（゜∀゜）Hamachi Katana: There was a gardening exhibit run by German employees near the Suwa lake I visited last summer. It was quite fascinating how they advertised German gardening equipment.
And, although Japanese people are forced to learn English, only people who study the language on their own actually learn anything useful, so in reality, there aren't that many more people who know English as compared to other European languages. Especially after the yutori generation~♪
On-topic: Just wondering, how many days is expected to translate the whole of Double Spoiler? I don't really know how fast these games get translated under what efficiency, though it doesn't seem like it should take more than several hours. Probably several days or weeks to make a patch. Note how I was surprised that the other written works of Touhou were not completely translated when I first came here.
ちょｗｗｗ、２５ポスト自重ｗｗｗ
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I only managed to clear some scenes by applying a speedhack and slowing it to 40%, else I wouldn't even survive the first second. My reflexes are that horrible :V
Gimme :)
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Well, I for one, appreciate the insight, even if it's not 100%. Much better than the trash Google Translate give out half the time. :/
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On-topic: Just wondering, how many days is expected to translate the whole of Double Spoiler? I don't really know how fast these games get translated under what efficiency, though it doesn't seem like it should take more than several hours. Probably several days or weeks to make a patch. Note how I was surprised that the other written works of Touhou were not completely translated when I first came here.
From personal experience, I know Solamarle does work on the literary works when he has the time, and I think Akira does as well. I don't specifically know about anyone else, though I assume they aren't the only two.
How long a translated script takes to come up depends on the nature of the game. The regular shooters usually have them in less than a week, however.
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I guess it will never change that playing comes before buying, if buying comes at all for most of you here. （?・ω・）
Well, ever since I met N-Forza I refuse to play the games (both official and fan made) before buying them first. As much as the anticipation from the wait killed me I patiently waited until my copy of UFO arrived to play it. For the official games my policy is strictly buy first now. However, in some cases with certain fan games if I'm unsure of if I really want it I'll download it first and buy it if I liked it.
I'm actually pretty excited about this game, I didn't expect any of this heated discussion about it.
We get to see new patterns with all of the newer characters. I thought the reaction here would be better to more Nue/Byakuren/Satori patterns. Its going to be much more mentally taxing for ZUN to create new and original stages/characters/story, so this is an effective break to think about the next game more. I wouldn't be surprised to see more THxx.5s now, for as long as Team Shanghai Alice is one person. Hopefully it will create both hype for TH13 and create an overall better product for the fans.
Also, StB was one of the best danmaku "training" games", right? The challenging difficulty often makes many players better (if only it could work on my computer D:). So I think its an ingenius move by ZUN.
Like stated before, it gets rid of all disingenuous fans and offer some type of reward for those who love Touhou for what it is, a danmaku game.
My thoughts exactly. I would much rather see ZUN take his time with TH13 then rush it just because a large number of people were expecting to have it this year. Besides like a few other people said he might also make another book to go with it.
I'm personally more interested in getting a more detailed look at Byakuren some of the newer characters then getting a new game with a bunch more new characters.
StB really was such great practice. I was never very good at it and it was frustrating as heck at times. But it felt so great and rewarding when I finally managed to beat a scene that had been giving me so much trouble. Overall I really liked the game. So I'm definitely looking forward to playing DS.
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My answers are nothing more than my own analyses founded on facts and opinions from my own experiences as well as reliable and unreliable secondary sources, and should only be treated as nothing more than internet gibberish, as unreliable as internet sources are. Even my translational knowledge is terribly unreliable now, because I haven't used English in over half a year or so. Simply put, what I say shouldn't be taken seriously in any way.
You have some really good English there, I have to say. Far better than my Japanese for sure. Of course you can't blindly accept everything you hear, but I think your words have value beyond mere internet gibberish.
On-topic: Just wondering, how many days is expected to translate the whole of Double Spoiler? I don't really know how fast these games get translated under what efficiency, though it doesn't seem like it should take more than several hours. Probably several days or weeks to make a patch. Note how I was surprised that the other written works of Touhou were not completely translated when I first came here.
No idea, I just keep abreast of any developments and eventually a patch comes out and circulates around. I don't really know if we have much in the way of translators that frequent here..
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No idea, I just keep abreast of any developments and eventually a patch comes out and circulates around. I don't really know if we have much in the way of translators that frequent here..
If it's running on the same engine as SA and UFO did, it shouldn't take long at all - especially since StB1 was rather text-light to begin with.
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Moe Moe Buri（゜∀゜）Hamachi Katana
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Now look at what you made me do :D
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Now look at what you made me do :D
When I first saw one of those Buri（゜∀゜）Hamachi videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tJ3HKm8TCw) a few weeks ago the first thing I thought was somehow Sakana must be behind it all! :V
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This was more successful than Bittan Bittan despite coming a little after.
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When I first saw one of those Buri Hamachi videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tJ3HKm8TCw) a few weeks ago the first thing I thought was somehow you must be behind it all! :V
(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab98/Twilight0402/th_07.jpg) (http://s853.photobucket.com/albums/ab98/Twilight0402/?action=view¤t=07.jpg)
Just as planned~
I saw some pics of various characters with fish before, but I never bothered to check the source until Lucarius made that comment. >_<
Now I finally understand.
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(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab98/Twilight0402/th_07.jpg) (http://s853.photobucket.com/albums/ab98/Twilight0402/?action=view¤t=07.jpg)
Just as planned~
I saw some pics of various characters with fish before, but I never bothered to check the source until Lucarius made that comment. >_<
Now I finally understand.
So, the evil mastermind behind the meme is finally revealed! I had a feeling it was the fishy Sakana behind this all along. :V
However... you don't look anything like what I was expecting. :/
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So, the evil mastermind behind the meme is finally revealed! I had a feeling it was the fishy Sakana behind this all along. :V
However... you don't look anything like what I was expecting. :/
I'm kind of curious what you did expect.
I'm looking more serious than usual there, but otherwise, yeah, that's me. :D
For more pictures of me doing weird stuff, see Black Stories in the RPG section ^^
/Shameless self-promotion
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Well Lucarius, don't mind derailing a topic, that is completely normal on MoTK. And it seems we can't discuss DS anymore, because there isn't much to discuss, and your answers are more interesting.
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I'm kind of curious what you did expect.
I'm looking more serious than usual there, but otherwise, yeah, that's me. :D
For more pictures of me doing weird stuff, see Black Stories in the RPG section ^^
/Shameless self-promotion
Well... I was kind of expecting that you would be holding a fish or at least some form of seafood. There's not even a fish anywhere in that picture!
That man is clearly an impostor! The real Sakana would never be without a fish in hand! :V
To prove your identity you must take a picture of yourself holding a fish or photoshop one into one of your pictures
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I don't really know if we have much in the way of translators that frequent here..
...OK then. I guess I should be more vocal about what I'm doing on the wiki then. :V Then again, I've been putting off finishing CoLA because of Touhou Soccer 2, but now I should be able to start working on it after I edit the rest of the older stories.
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Well Lucarius, don't mind derailing a topic, that is completely normal on MoTK.
I find most threads actually do stay on topic. Is this a CPMC thing, or am I looking at the wrong threads?
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Weren't Japanease people caring about France ?...Well I guess it's just PARISPARISPARISPARISPARISPARISPARISPARISPARIS and nothing else...like the whole world...
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When I first saw one of those Buri（゜∀゜）Hamachi videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tJ3HKm8TCw) a few weeks ago the first thing I thought was somehow Sakana must be behind it all! :V
Why am I not surprised that you linked to the one I showed you :V
Well... I was kind of expecting that you would be holding a fish or at least some form of seafood. There's not even a fish anywhere in that picture!
That man is clearly an impostor! The real Sakana would never be without a fish in hand! :V
To prove your identity you must take a picture of yourself holding a fish or photoshop one into one of your pictures
On that note, people keep telling me that they'd think I'd look pretty cool wearing the same hat Koishi wears. I dunno if I actually have the hat lying around but if I do come across one I'll do my best to post a picture of myself wearing one.
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I-It's #Saki extracting !?
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I find most threads actually do stay on topic. Is this a CPMC thing, or am I looking at the wrong threads?
CPMC thing. It tends to happen there almost always. Outside the board threads usually stay on topic (most of the time). Once in a while I split new topics if a strong tangent crops up in an existing thread,
...OK then. I guess I should be more vocal about what I'm doing on the wiki then. :V Then again, I've been putting off finishing CoLA because of Touhou Soccer 2, but now I should be able to start working on it after I edit the rest of the older stories.
I assumed you probably did *something*, just didn't know offhand. Good to know though. :) By the way, how are you handling people who want to put in an order for Double Spoiler?
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Now look at what you made me do :D
I've never played Ar Tonelico 3 (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9556226) or any of the Ar Tonelico series, but yeah, this was one of the stronger nicofads. Never watched any of the Touhou spinoffs of it though.
I just noticed, a lot of your avatars seem cut off, or isn't displaying correctly. I'm sure Moe Moe Buri（゜∀゜）Sakachi didn't put up a picture of the top half or Reimu's head and arm with the fish.
Just wondering, is the person who put 12 and 12.3 for download on the internet before noon on the day of C76 day 2 (as in, 2 hours after the first copy was sold), a member of MotK?
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Not sure about that. We have Forza ordering stuff from Japan for people who ask him to (they pay him for it, obviously enough), but MotK in general has a strong anti-piracy thing going, so I'd doubt it. It's more likely to be someone from DStyle than MotK.
Speaking of which, Forza, are you going to be ordering copies of DS for MotKers? I'd love to buy a copy.
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Just wondering, is the person who put 12 and 12.3 for download on the internet before noon on the day of C76 day 2 (as in, 2 hours after the first copy was sold), a member of MotK?
MotK is anti-piracy, so very likely not. If the upload was not Japanese in origin then odds are it was someone from 4chan.
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I've never played Ar Tonelico 3 (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9556226)
Good. Keep it that way.
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Well, well. It's another Shoot the Bullet.
But I never expected it to come this quickly.
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You have to understand that Japan gets much more cultural influence from the U.S. than any nation from Europe, Africa, South America, Australia, and Antartica. Many Japanese people are aware that Japan is dying as a nation, to the extent they fear China or the U.S. is going to dominate them within the next half-century.
No!
At the risk of sounding uneducated...Why? To me it seems like Japan influences other countries around the world really heavily, and I don't just mean with its manga. At the same time, they are also one of the most unique. It would be a true shame to see that go away.
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I just noticed, a lot of your avatars seem cut off, or isn't displaying correctly. I'm sure Moe Moe Buri（゜∀゜）Sakachi didn't put up a picture of the top half or Reimu's head and arm with the fish.
It displays correctly as a full-body Reimu for me. I'll blame it on your computer ;)
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No!
At the risk of sounding uneducated...Why? To me it seems like Japan influences other countries around the world really heavily, and I don't just mean with its manga. At the same time, they are also one of the most unique. It would be a true shame to see that go away.
Japan has an unreliable and unstable government that not many Japanese people care about until the prime minister gets turned upside down by the media when he does something illegal.
Japan has nothing to base its economy on, noting that Japan no longer globally leads any part of any money-making industry, nor does Japan have any raw materials because of its small area.
Japanese people have become rather stupid as a whole because of the yutori education, leading to major screw ups like the PS3 and Toyota.
And a bunch of other reasons.
I wish Japanese animation and video games were industries that make money, but they aren't. At least, not enough to hold Japan against the U.S. or China on its own.
On the other hand, I doubt being conquered would change the Japanese culture as a whole. Moreover, Japan is already heavily Americanized anyway.
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Japan has an unreliable and unstable government that not many Japanese people care about until the prime minister gets turned upside down by the media when he does something illegal.
Japan has nothing to base its economy on, noting that Japan no longer globally leads any part of any money-making industry, nor does Japan have any raw materials because of its small area.
Japanese people have become rather stupid as a whole because of the yutori education, leading to major screw ups like the PS3 and Toyota.
And a bunch of other reasons.
I wish Japanese animation and video games were industries that make money, but they aren't. At least, not enough to hold Japan against the U.S. or China on its own.
On the other hand, I doubt being conquered would change the Japanese culture as a whole. Moreover, Japan is already heavily Americanized anyway.
Well honestly, I was thinking Japan had a major foothold in the car-industry, which IS an industry that makes money. As for videogames and animation. While those might not seem important or whatever, I think they slowly grow over time, and will never EVER decline.
Well I don't know everything so I might not be accurate here. But I do believe that big mistakes happen. The ps3 issue was apparently fixed from what I understand, and without needing anybody to actually replace it. IMO that issue is much less imposing than Xbox's disposable nature, as for Nintendo, that's Japanese too...
I don't know much about cars, so I don't know how Toyota failed anything other than having to recall something recently. But that happens too. As for education, I think most people think the majority of everyone else in their country is stupid >=P.
I know I'm arguing against nobody in particular here, and my arguments probably aren't great due to my own lack of understanding with global economy and whatnot, but I'm pretty sure that Japan is far better off in that regard than many countries, African ones included obviously. I don't see Japan ever becomming a third world country either, so it has a long ways to fall. But my point is I don't really see it "falling" as a whole at all (again my perception wouldn't be as accurate, but I think it's safe to say that people must be over-worrying). I know here in Canada, there were "Quebec is going to leave Canada and become its own nation" scares a few times back when I was younger, and to be frank, I don't think Quebec really contributes to the world Economy a fraction as much as Japan does >=P. Looking at the GDP, Japan is doing pretty amazing.
As time passes, I think the need for raw-materials to contribute to the world will lessen, as it already is.
But they could be right, I hope not though.
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But they could be right, I hope not though.
We'll all be dead, or be too old to care when it happens. No worries.
Unless if some idiot sparks a World War III before we die.
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We'll all be dead, or be too old to care when it happens. No worries.
Unless if some idiot sparks a World War III before we die.
Well I don't intend to die in just a half-century >=P. Even still, that'd be pretty tragic.
Maybe Japan will conquer the world economically with a massive craze towards ofuro manufacturing. Cuz uhh, other countries can't figure out how to make em.
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Well I don't intend to die in just a half-century >=P. Even still, that'd be pretty tragic.
Maybe Japan will conquer the world economically with a massive craze towards ofuro manufacturing. Cuz uhh, other countries can't figure out how to make em.
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Quite some laughs from that.
Yeah, I hate American baths, or shower rooms rather. It's reason enough for me to start living alone in Japan this year~
and better quality food, and faster nicovideo connections, and festivities, and train travel.
Aside from derailing, I don't think 1-on-1 conversations are allowed on forums either.←自重
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Japanese people have become rather stupid as a whole because of the yutori education
What are the typical weekly school hours like? It seems that attending school on Saturday isn't mandatory anymore, but I couldn't find anything on the schedules and assorted breaks students are given. For instance, where I lived we always had about 2 1/2 to 3 months off of school during the summer, two weeks for Christmas, a week for spring break, assorted national holidays, etc.
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Aside from derailing, I don't think 1-on-1 conversations are allowed on forums either.
They are. One major reason I don't think anyone will complain at this time is because you have a (silent) audience, what with you being an "authentic Japanese". You can stay and say what you want, and I'm sure people will listen. (no sarcasm)
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What are the typical weekly school hours like? It seems that attending school on Saturday isn't mandatory anymore, but I couldn't find anything on the schedules and assorted breaks students are given. For instance, where I lived we always had about 2 1/2 to 3 months off of school during the summer, two weeks for Christmas, a week for spring break, assorted national holidays, etc.
I've gone to 2 months of 2nd grade in Japan and 2 months of 6th grade in Japan. From what I know, Japanese schools provide a one-month summer vacation (with mass hw) and a week for several occasions like Christmas, Golden week, etc.
The yutori generation refers to Japanese people who had undergone any form of education in 2002. (whether it be pre, elementary, middle, or high)
The educational policy was meant to match the stupidest kids in class by not teaching them more than they could understand. This meant a large decrease in on-going curriculum content, which obviously deprived the capable students the ability to learn what they could. Essentially, everyone became as stupid as the stupidest kid in class.
Based on when you were born, you got effected by this policy starting at different grade levels. On-going educational curriculum was reduced starting in 1996, new educational content was reduced starting in 2005, Japanese school became a 5-day school week starting in 1996, and the yearly amount of educational time spent was reduced starting in 1993. Note that the on-going educational curriculum was changed back to normal in 2004, but the other 3 elements are apparently still in effect today.
When Japanese people use the term ゆとり世代 (Yutori Sedai), they are referring to Japanese people who took education in 2002. However, yutori in general may refer to anyone stupid who had most likely taken elementary education and beyond after the late 1990s.
Those who had been effected by yutori education at early stages of development may be at the point of believing pi = 3. Moreover, I was surprised to find that Japanese students in 6th grade were learning double-digit multiplication for the first time, while my American school had mastered it in 3rd grade.
They are. One major reason I don't think anyone will complain at this time is because you have a (silent) audience, what with you being an "authentic Japanese". You can stay and say what you want, and I'm sure people will listen. (no sarcasm)
Perhaps MotK can find more English speaking Japanese people or Japanese Americans, because I'm sure there are many more of them out there. I certainly don't feel confident being the only one representing Japanese people as a whole.
I personally wouldn't have minded if I grew up to be a yutori in Japan instead of a non-yutori in America.
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Perhaps MotK can find more English speaking Japanese people or Japanese Americans, because I'm sure there are many more of them out there. I certainly don't feel confident being the only one representing Japanese people as a whole.
Well, Halka (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=592) posts occasionally, and he was on the Maikaze anime team.
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There isn't much to discuss about 12.5 anyway aside from speculation on screenshots. We have to sit and wait until it is released and a new article will be created for that as well. As long as it somehow stays between boundaries of discussion and conversation instead of spamming one liners or something.
I think - - - could be wrong :V
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We could do like Aya and just start makeing stuff up based on pictures and start rumors :V
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Urgh... Great... First Pok?mon HeartGold/SoulSilver (Release in Europe 26.3. btw.), then my first time going to an Anime Convertion (17.4.) and now THIS! (14.3. !? WOW that?s so close!)
This must be the best year ever!
wait nevermind I fail at StB, but oh well I might still try Double Spoiler.
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MotK is anti-piracy, so very likely not. If the upload was not Japanese in origin then odds are it was someone from 4chan.
That hardly means it's not a member of MotK, just that said member would be unwilling to admit it.
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I'd debate the Japanese economy failing any time soon, mainly since I've heard several reports recommending investing in Japanese companies due to it's growth over the past year or so. I swear they'd probably declare a national holiday here if they matched that growth here in the US right now. :/
I never knew that about the Japanese adopting the "No child left behind" type of teaching. I've seen a few attempts before this health care snafu about how the education adviser would cite other countries for having better education systems than the US, I think Japan usually got a mention during these.
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I will buy DS for people who want them, but only once the game is released in stores.
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That hardly means it's not a member of MotK, just that said member would be unwilling to admit it.
you'd have to be pretty stupid to admit yourself to piracy here...it's the fastest way to Banland on MoTK IIRC.
The next 2 are being Chagen and Pedonymous.
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That hardly means it's not a member of MotK, just that said member would be unwilling to admit it.
Yes quite. I didn't ask on the will to act against the uploader, nor did I expect to actually get an identity of any sort. However, it is probably best kept in the back of my mind.
If whether I trust the people here or don't trust the people doesn't make much of a difference, I would choose to trust them. There are only social demerits in the initial stage of distrust.
Also, since no one has pm'd me, I'd like to thank the person who made gave me the Spechul Membuh tag.
I don't believe I did anything to earn something from this forum though.
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Also, since no one has pm'd me, I'd like to thank the person who made gave me the Spechul Membuh tag.
I don't believe I did anything to earn something from this forum though.
Speshul Membah: Contribute something notable to this site. Also sometimes handed out on staff whim.
The latter easily covers it, but I think more than a few of us think your posting qualifies you for the former.
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If I can ask in this thread...how much are the touhou games in Japan?
Heard something around 10$...is this for all of them?
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If I can ask in this thread...how much are the touhou games in Japan?
Heard something around 10$...is this for all of them?
Toranoana prices minus tax: (festivity prices are lower) (in yen)
th6 1000
th7 1400
th7.5 2500
th7.5OST 1200
th8 1400
th9 1400
th9.5 1000
th10 1400
th10.5 2500
th10.5OST 1200
th11 1400
th12 1400
th12.3 2000
th12.3OST 1000
ZUN's Touhou CDs cost 500 festivity price and 700 in stores.
Seasonal Dream Vision cost 1800 at Tora.
Iirc, at C76, th12 cost 1000, and th12.3 cost 1500. At C77, th12.3 soundtrack cost 700.
Essentially, store prices go up 40%-50% from festivity prices. Note that festivity prices tend to be a multiple of 500 for the sake of easy transaction.
Can someone tell me why my firefox displays all of ZUN's pages correctly (without ��݁A�X�ŕ��) except for the page on UFO, IN, IaMP, PCB, and EoSD? My internet explorer displays it fine.
Oh also, if anyone is interested in what I bought at C77 using nearly 3000$, direct me to a suitable thread or something. Looking at my receipts for prices brought on some nostalgia.
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One thing that always sparked my curiosity is the price ZUN is putting on his work and games. They are, in my opinion, quite low if you consider he is doing everything on his own for the regular Touhous and takes him like a year. Just normal music CDs here in Holland cost around 25-30 euros. And most of those songs suck anyway. You cannot play a game with them either.
I understand ZUN is not out for money, but sometimes I ask myself: Would fans buy the game if he added another 1000 yen on top of it?
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I understand ZUN is not out for money, but sometimes I ask myself: Would fans buy the game if he added another 1000 yen on top of it?
The percentage of anime fans that would buy non-pirate anime DVDs is quite low. Prices are the main reason, and because that fact is known to the anime companies, DVD availability is also low.
Given that only a handful of people don't care about money, if ZUN wants his stuff to be sold, he has to consider prices reasonable not to himself, but to the buyers. It's quite obvious that as prices rise, less people will buy. I'm sure ZUN, as well as all other doujin sellers, choose these relatively low prices so their works could be aimed at the general people without money (ie middle, high, college students).
I would think that people with limited cash would prioritize buying more products for more circles than less products for one circle (ZUN). Note that these other circles need not be Touhou-related.
For instance, if one Touhou shooter cost 2000 yen at festivity, 2100 at store, I'm sure most of those with limited cash would prioritize 2-4 favorited doujin circle CDs that cost 500-1000 yen each, assuming they don't use any source of piracy for the products they don't buy. The respect they have for each of those favorite doujin circles is the same as what they have for ZUN. Shanghai Alice Project is just one circle, even if it is the founder of one of the greatest doujin works in history. If they have limited cash, they would prioritize the less expensive. That way they can support more circles and get their hands on more products.
However, because ZUN's prices are reasonable, or rather, the same as all the other doujin circles, many would prioritize Shanghai Alice Project first. Explains why on the second day, 50% of the East side line would go to that one booth, and 90% of the West side line would go directly to the East side at opening.
I wouldn't really know, because I'm one of those people who never care about money. Just random speculation.
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Well it is obvious that money is a huge factor these days for games. Taking the western gaming market, how many times have people been disappointed by a certain game that they bought for 60 euros (that is the avarage price of a game these days) expecting "greatness"
Gaming companies are greedy bastards, just like music and movie companies. The very example you are giving about limited cash is mostly the reason for piracy at the end. People these days do not want to risk spending their money on something that they perhaps not like at all. Software policy in my country has 24 hour return rule. Software with a licence key or serial key cannot be returned back at all. It is quite obvious that this lures people to pirate the game first, judge if it is worth of buying then decide to buy the game in store.
Then again, Xbox360 / PS3 games are hard for people to pirate, unless they appear cross platforms. Though companies already tackled this with a devious strategy: Release the game for PC much later. So impatient people will buy it eventually.
Back to the East, prices around 1500 are very reasonable indeed. From various sources you mostly see that circle sellers keep their prices as you mentioned around 500-1000. Obviously figures and merchandise material can have greater prices. I am a student myself and I personally do care about cash. I only buy what is worth it, which is at the end highly subjective anyway.
I bet at Comiket or Reitaisai at the end of the day, even if the avarage price is around 500-1000, one would have spend surely around 10.000 ~ 30.000 yen no ?
Edit: a zero too much in 30.000 yen :V
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I bet at Comiket or Reitaisai at the end of the day, even if the avarage price is around 500-1000, one would have spend surely around 10.000 ~ 30.000 yen no ?
Edit: a zero too much in 30.000 yen :V
Nice edit.
Note that a pillowcase or a zippo lighter already costs 10,000 yen each. However, I've never seen anything more expensive than 10,000 yen (at comiket), so figures, tapestries, clothing, stationary, and other merchandise are less than 10,000 yen.
Note also that most people already spend at least 15,000 yen coming to the festival arena via bullet train or airplane or whatever.
There really are people who just come to buy for example, th12 only, but yeah, I would suppose they wouldn't want to feel like they're wasting their travel fees or their stamina lost in waiting for 6-12 hours outside in the freezing cold. However, some even come just to cosplay or just to experience the atmosphere of comiket.
Doujin CDs and games may seem very reasonable at 500-1500 yen. However, I personally don't think 500 yen for a 10-20 page doujinshi is reasonable. Any thoughts on that?
I edit too much.
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Doujin CDs and games may seem very reasonable at 500-1500 yen. However, I personally don't think 500 yen for a 10-20 page doujinshi is reasonable. Any thoughts on that?
Doesn't seem cheap to me, but considering in the prices to cover printing and assembling I can't imagine that it's making too much of a profit - especially if the seller is small enough to only be able to produce such a small doujinshi in the first place. It's definitely not as cheap as I'd want it to be though; for 500 yen I'd probably want about twice to three times that (But maybe I'm just greedy?)
I'm amazed at how cheap ZUN's games retail for as well upon initial sale. But I suppose in many ways he knows that people are going to buy it, and then it'll go around to shops and continue being sold (And I assume he gets some profit for every one sold by a secondary retailer), so he can afford to do it cheap on the sheer volume of sales, most likely.
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Doujin CDs and games may seem very reasonable at 500-1500 yen. However, I personally don't think 500 yen for a 10-20 page doujinshi is reasonable. Any thoughts on that?
500 Yen is like ~4 euros roughly. I have personally no idea how Doujins are evaluated by the western people. Speaking for myself, in my country there are only comic books (sure manga is sold but it is not part of the culture). And I have personally no idea how I should judge 500 yen doujin. If it was one of my favourites (like must read), I would be willing to pay 4 euros for it, but otherwise it does sounds a bit weird.
While writing this post, it made me start thinking. 500 yen sounds cheap but it is not. Especially not for a 10-20 page Doujin. Odd.
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Doesn't seem cheap to me, but considering in the prices to cover printing and assembling I can't imagine that it's making too much of a profit
Just noting something everyone probably already knows.
Doujin is a hobby. Doujin circles pay to have their talent or passion of their hobby recognized. Doujin circles don't make a living off of doujin works, so they don't really care about monetary profit, as long as they can have their works out on the booth. Or at least, that's how it was back in the days when amateurs faced problems finding companies that would mass produce their works for them (now-a-these-days, you can find many willing companies on the back of the comiket catalog). I would hope it remains so today. Surely there are crazy professionals like ZUN and HanaSoumenP selling their amazing products, but I'm sure they sell their products as douijn nevertheless, no matter how professional it looks compared to the other doujin products.
There's always an article about the presence of the industrial section in comiket, which explains all of the issues raised for allowing industrial business to take place at the representative market of the doujin concept. Note that all of the expensive stuff come from the industrial section.
While writing this post, it made me start thinking. 500 yen sounds cheap but it is not. Especially not for a 10-20 page Doujin. Odd.
It is odd, right? I made that comment about 500 yen doujinshi, because when I compare for instance Touhou Magical Astronomy CD (500 yen) with a 20 page Bakemonogatari 4-window manga book (500 yen), I would believe there's a huge difference in the amount of content I'm getting for 500 yen.
Note also how not many people are fond of newbie doujinshi authors because newbie authors don't bother to advertise doujinshi in a conspicuous manner. I find it hard to imagine that someone would pick up a newbie's doujinshi and buy it for 500 yen.
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Can someone tell me why my firefox displays all of ZUN's pages correctly (without ��݁A�X�ŕ��) except for the page on UFO, IN, IaMP, PCB, and EoSD? My internet explorer displays it fine.
Go to View -> Character Encoding
and select Japanese
An example (http://hemuliman.wippiespace.com/characterencoding.png)
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Back on topic entirely about Aya's pointy ears. Because ears matter! IT DOES.
?15:41:14? <Rain_Lindwurm> You know, I really want to ask ZUN about those pointy ears.
?15:41:33? <Rain_Lindwurm> Did she always have them, or did they suddenly transform, for whatever reason?
?15:42:01? <Herasy> I put it down to Zun messing around with his drawing
?15:42:22? <Herasy> Or maybe he deliberately made them pointy just to see everyone rage about them
?15:42:30? <Herasy> Zun is the ultimate troll
?15:45:06? <Herasy> No one seemed to complain about Reimu's hair length changing every game
?15:45:07? <Helepolis> Aya simply evolved over time, larger wings, longer hair and red lens on her camera
?15:45:19? <Helepolis> especially the red lens
?15:45:21? <Rain_Lindwurm> Hair tends to grow and change shape.
?15:45:31? <Herasy> The only other time I ever saw Aya's ears was in the fighters
?15:45:37? <Herasy> And Zun didn't do that art
?15:45:47? <Helepolis> Oh now you mention it, let us check Iamp and SWR
?15:46:09? <Herasy> Also I checked SWR and her ears are normal shaped
?15:46:38? <Helepolis> Herasy, this is indeed an unprecedented affair
?15:46:48? <Helepolis> first time I notice it now as well
?15:46:50? <Herasy> http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/File:Swr_aya.jpg
?15:46:55? <Keine> Title: File:Swr aya.jpg - Touhou Wiki - Characters, games, locations, and more (at touhou.wikia.com)
?15:47:04? <Helepolis> she has pretty long hair in there as well
?15:47:08? <Helepolis> if you ask me
?15:47:28? <Helepolis> And black hair , instead of brown
(http://i45.tinypic.com/4uhrgl.png)
If ZUN controlled the artwork looks on the fighting games, then why suddenly he changes Aya's ears? Herasy claimed it might be due to perspective change and stuff. Taking a look at Aya's hair colour also, it is black both in 9, 9.5, 10 and 10.5. (Except in the illustration of BAiJR.)
What is going on actually with ZUN. Did he ordered the wrong beer or something? This only makes me want Reitaisai faster =.=
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Taking a look at Aya's hair colour also, it is black both in 9, 9.5, 10 and 10.5. (Except in the illustration of BAiJR.)
What is going on actually with ZUN. Did he ordered the wrong beer or something? This only makes me want Reitaisai faster =.=
(http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201003/03/42/e0088742_432961.jpg)
It's only brown in the menu screen picture because of the lighting. In the scene selection you see the same picture, and the hair is very definitely black.
I still think the upper leg looks completely unnatural. I mean... it's like it ends at the knee. It doesn't GO anywhere D:
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i'm just going to go with "ZUN is bad at drawing ears". i don't really think Aya has pointy ears.
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That is what I am somewhat the same feeling I am having: bad at drawing x-bodypart.
Also the screenshots ZUN posted on his blog were still "in development" right? So basically anything we seen might not be the same when the real thing is out.
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i'm just going to go with "ZUN is bad at drawing ears". i don't really think Aya has pointy ears.
Does that mean Parsee doesn't actually have pointy ears?
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Does that mean Parsee doesn't actually have pointy ears?
i never thought she did in the first place. :V
but it's Touhou, so think what you want, etc.
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That is indeed quite odd. It was never stated that Parsee was an elf or fairy or whatever. Her profile reads: Bridge Princess. But that could be like anything anyway.
Dark Tewi?
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"Dark Tewi" really needs to be added to the template.
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That is indeed quite odd. It was never stated that Parsee was an elf or fairy or whatever. Her profile reads: Bridge Princess. But that could be like anything anyway.
Patchouli refers to her as a "Persian girl" and has no idea why she would be down there either.
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Patchouli refers to her as a "Persian girl" and has no idea why she would be down there either.
See Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsi). Parsee could be Zoroastrian Irani~
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See Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsi). Parsee could be Zoroastrian Irani~
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Following in a longstanding tradition, I would like to be the first this time to say: WHAT THE HELL, ZUN?
...because that actually makes a lot of sense.
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Following in a longstanding tradition, I would like to be the first this time to say: WHAT THE HELL, ZUN?
...because that actually makes a lot of sense.
ZUN likes to put a lot of background into his wordplay, in this case Patchouli's educated guess. I would take her educated guess in SA as a simple joke, nothing factually coherent to Mizuhashi herself. (Note she's not confidently stating that Mizuhashi is in fact a Persian, just guessing so probably because Parsee's name is Persian.)
In other words, only Patchouli's educated guess and ZUN's witty wordplay originate from the whole Persia deal, not Mizuhashi herself.
I've never been to the Japanese bridge that ZUN refers to, but I've seen it on a "Around the Touhou Sanctuaries" video on nicovideo, along with the whole jealousy of the princess deal that originates from the legend of that bridge. Searching for the video, but can't find it.
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I'm curious about that video.
Also, now we can do a Parsee x Freddie Mercury.
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Also, now we can do a Parsee x Freddie Mercury.
IS THIS THE REAL LIFE
IS THIS JUST JEALOUSY
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Well it hardly matters if she has pointy ears or not. Its not gonna affect her character or personality or way of doing things. :/ To me this is one of those "take it or leave it" deals. Maybe they did evolve or maybe its a Tengu thing since the tengu race can hear just about anything from anywhere. Just as some beings can extend their claws for a threatening appearance, maybe she can extend her ears to hear great distances. Who knows. She's still the same Aya as always.
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Found the videos. It's obviously in Japanese, but you can enjoy the images. You can probably tell who's being talked about by the music.
Mountain of Faith: http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/5237730
Subterranean Animism: http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/17872711
The video about Parsee is http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6136024
I've been to Moriya Jinja, Yasaka Jinja, and Suwa Taisha.
People should control themselves when putting up their ema. The amount of Touhou (yukkuri mostly) on them is ridiculous.
I've also been to Washinomiya Jinja, the Lucky Star sanctuary. The ema there are even more ridiculous.
I plan to go to Ooeyama this summer.
Not sure if this was put up yet, but apparently the first nicovideo to go up about double spoiler was this:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9895965
About 5 hours after ZUN's article.
I was reading the niclopedia article on double spoiler: http://dic.nicovideo.jp/b/a/%E3%83%80%E3%83%96%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9D%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A9%E3%83%BC%20%E3%80%9C%20%E6%9D%B1%E6%96%B9%E6%96%87%E8%8A%B1%E5%B8%96/121-
Many Japanese people are saying the pointed look of these ears mean nothing. They say if you look at other characters like Nue, Orin, Yuugi, Murasa etc. they have similar shapes. They argue that ZUN draws normal ears in a somewhat pointy fashion (because it's easier to draw that way), and they go as far to say that Parsee's seemingly pointy ears aren't supposed to make her ears any different from the ears of any other character.
Basically, they think the whole ear shape deal for any character is just ZUN's randomness at work. Perhaps if ZUN sees this claim somewhere, he may fix it before Reitaisai ﾜﾗﾜﾗ
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ZUN likes to put a lot of background into his wordplay, in this case Patchouli's educated guess. I would take her educated guess in SA as a simple joke, nothing factually coherent to Mizuhashi herself. (Note she's not confidently stating that Mizuhashi is in fact a Persian, just guessing so probably because Parsee's name is Persian.)
In other words, only Patchouli's educated guess and ZUN's witty wordplay originate from the whole Persia deal, not Mizuhashi herself.
Sensical. That also aligns with how in-story Patchouli wouldn't know the difference, what with not being able to go by anything except what she heard.
Her ears should be pointy to compensate for her lack of headgear though.
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I will buy DS for people who want them, but only once the game is released in stores.
I would... so give you them money for that... but I guess the shipping is going to cost a lot...
@Topic: Thrilled to see what will happen in the game. I am starting to imagine... how, no matter how many times I try, I will always fail to dodge those patterns.
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I would... so give you them money for that... but I guess the shipping is going to cost a lot...
Shipping shouldn't be that much, especially if the mail couriers who do international shipping there have a media rate for CD, books, and the like. Shipping a small package via USPS first-class to Japan that weighs five ounces would cost $4.80, and a CD+small box would probably weigh less than that.
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Through... I don?t know how much it would cost to send it over here to germany.
Urgh... I have to really watch out what I want to waste my pocketmoney on.
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Through... I don?t know how much it would cost to send it over here to germany.
Urgh... I have to really watch out what I want to waste my pocketmoney on.
Look here (http://www.post.japanpost.jp/int/charge/list/parcel3_en.html) (main page here (http://www.post.japanpost.jp/int/charge/list/index_en.html)), or maybe you could ask N-Forza in the Korindou thread.
Shipping to Germany is the same rate as shipping to the US.
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OH GOD WHY DID THIS NEWS COME OUT RIGHT WHEN I HAD LEFT FOR A WEEK
OH MY GOD
OH
MY
GOD
SHOOT THE BULLET TWO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
:* :* :* :* :* :* :* :* :* :* :* :* :* :* :* :* :*
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hey hey guys
do you realize what this meaaaaaaaaans
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody of All Humankind IN DANMAKU FORM
OH MY GOD I AM SO EXCITED AND :* :* :* :* :* :*
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no wait even better
Satori can read the traumas of your heart
you realize what this means
9-6 will be back
harder than before
oh my god this is going to be AMAZIIIIIIIIIIING AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH :* :* :*
/me froths at the mouth
Okay I'm calming down I promise :x
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Ruro made me realize that this means Tenshi and Iku get ZUNsprites now, like Suika did in StB. Hooray!
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody of All Humankind IN DANMAKU FORM
Though this seems to be the same kind of spell card as my Master Spark, this apparent laser actually isn't a laser, but a superfast and superdense gathering of spirit bullets.
:V
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もちつけｗｗｗ
and wb.
I couldn't live for a week without the internet...
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Finally, Ruro's fangasm! I was waiting for this for a whole week!
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Finally, Ruro's fangasm! I was waiting for this for a whole week!
Totally worth it :smug:
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Fangasm time! I missed you Ruro~n. o/
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody of All Humankind IN DANMAKU FORM
Oh? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_BNhkbQBjk&NR=1#t=4m26s)
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I'm more interested in Iku's LIGHTNING :*
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I'm more interested in Iku's LIGHTNING :*
Yes very much this
@Scarlet Weather Rhapsody as not a laser - Couldn't you argue that something like Master Spark is a superfast, superdense barrage of photon bullets?
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Oh? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_BNhkbQBjk&NR=1#t=4m26s)
Oh my god if ZUN's version of SWR in bullet form is half as awesome as this I will fangasm all over again. And promptly scream and die to her laser.
And I unno about you guys, but I am looking forward to Satori's arsenal of new cards more than anything. 9-6 is the trauma that leaves me senseless. Byakuren too; maybe we'll see more PC-98 homages?
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Yes, I'm looking forward to Satorin~.
And Satori uses past cards, eh? Maybe she'll pay that homage to the PC-98 games. That would be awesome.
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And Satori uses past cards, eh? Maybe she'll pay that homage to the PC-98 games. That would be awesome.
Well, Satori uses cards that her opponent has seen in the past. So if the opponent is our playable, Aya, that means that the most immediate possibilities are:
- Everything from Shoot the Bullet, stage... 7 onwards? Oh my god, BOUNDARY OF WAVE AND PARTICLE AGAIN
- MoF stage 4 (Peerless Wind God. Who's looking forward to THAT? :V)
- Everything from SA
- SWR stuff that doesn't belong to Iku or Tenshi
... oh dear, Satori's stage is NOT going to be pretty D: I am hoping for an original card from her, though.
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- MoF stage 4 (Peerless Wind God. Who's looking forward to THAT? :V)
ZUN dies.
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Byakuren too; maybe we'll see more PC-98 homages?
I'm half-drooling, half-anxious for this. New cards from her may throw all kinds of wrenches and muses my way for TnT, since i'm already planning on structuring the story around her spellcards. Can you guess what the title of Chapter 1 is going to be? :3
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Can you guess what the title of Chapter 1 is going to be? :3
I can, as a matter of fact :3
Oh man I seriously can't wait for this game to be released, we're gonna get all new spellcards and info and awesome hardball dodging games yessssssss <3 I have been looking forward to another StB for ages! This is such awesome news I don't even :*
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But we would have the camera this time, so how bad can Peerless Wind God be?
Actually, I've grown to mostly like Peerless Wind God in MoF. I can consistently 1 death or bomb it now. And it's not as bad as I used to think of it. Still suck at capturing it.
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But we would have the camera this time, so how bad can Peerless Wind God be?
This (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Shoot_the_Bullet:_Level_8_Spell_Cards#Spell_Card_8_-_7) + this (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Shoot_the_Bullet:_Level_6_Spell_Cards#Spell_Card_6_-_4) + three times as many bullets.
And a mandatory ten photos for clear.
... or also, because it was in SWRRRRRRRRRS: Aya has seen Fantasy Heaven. Or better yet, Unnamed Giant Catfish (the spellcard, at least).
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Holy Shit I hate those cards, I still can't do the Ran one. Eh, maybe I'll unlock Level 10 'till DS comes out.
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I want to see Iku's sprites. She had better have her Saturday Night Fever pose, otherwise it's not Iku.
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Hey Ruro.
Koishi might come back >.>
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Hey Ruro.
Koishi might come back >.>
Might? I'm fully expecting a whole stage to be Satori/Koishi alternating.
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Might? I'm fully expecting a whole stage to be Satori/Koishi alternating.
The fact that apparently the characters and scenes from the previous game are coming makes me doubt Koishi's return.
Although I do expect her return though <3
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The fact that apparently the characters and scenes from the previous game are coming makes me doubt Koishi's return.
Hasn't this already been proved to just be a mistranslation, though?
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It was a mistranslation yes.
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Extra bosses are grouped in Extra Stage.
Satori will probably be grouped with Yugi, probably around the middle of the game.
EDIT while I'm thinking of it: Expect the return of ZOMBIE FAIRIES. >.>
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Satori Sign: "Trip Balls"
seriously, what else is zun going to pull off when he gave her only one unique boss card
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Satori Sign: "Trip Balls"
seriously, what else is zun going to pull off when he gave her only one unique boss card
Whatever else he wanted to give her but couldn't fit in stage 4
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Might? I'm fully expecting a whole stage to be Satori/Koishi alternating.
omg
seriously, what else is zun going to pull off when he gave her only one unique boss card
more unique cards?
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Whatever else he wanted to give her but couldn't fit in stage 4
one touhou stage can only take so much clipdeath
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Obviously, Satori will use spell cards based on recollections.
Satori lives in the underground, above the former hell.
Thus she will have spell cards whose patterns are references to Yuugen-Magan, Kikuri and Konngara.
Konngara? Toooo slow.
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Byakuren too; maybe we'll see more PC-98 homages?
Extra stage - Gengetu Rape Time, OH SHI-
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Extra stage - Gengetu Rape Time, OH SHI-
That would be downright impossible (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJA4jy4shD0#t=3m00s)
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The fact that apparently the characters and scenes from the previous game are coming makes me doubt Koishi's return.
Long and detailed clarification:
I'll analyze this passage for you to my fullest extent.
前回の「東方文花帖 ～ Shoot the Bullet.」から全てのキャラ、シーンを一新し、さらに追加のあれやこれも含めた最新作。
A) This newest installment in the series will have all of the characters and scenes renewed from the previous Shoot the Bullet, with many this-and-thats in addition.
B) This newest installment in the series will have all of the characters and scenes from the previous Shoot the Bullet renewed, with many this-and-thats in addition.
A) states Double Spoiler will contain new stuff in addition to completely new characters and scenes not in StB.
B) states Double Spoiler will contain new stuff in addition to refined characters and scenes from StB.
You see how putting the word "renewed" in different parts of the statement would give the statement completely different meanings. Directly speaking, A) states that the characters and scenes from Shoot the Bullet will NOT be in Double Spoiler, while B) states that the characters and scenes from Shoot the Bullet will be "refined" in Double Spoiler.
The original text can be taken both ways, because the term 一新 can mean "power up", or "clear the board and start anew." However, because of the phrasing "StB から characters and scenes を一新," A) is more suitable. The screenshots also probably point toward the meaning of A), given that none of the enemies there are in StB. It wouldn't make sense (well, it may but, for the sake of support) for ZUN to put up screenshots of elements he purposefully phrased as "this-and-thats." The this-and-thats may be referring to angled shots, and other elements of the gameplay.
Short and simple clarification:
I don't believe the characters and stages from StB will be in DS.
From other sources of Japanese knowledge, it is most likely that the characters from StB will not appear in DS.
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Yes I've got that clarified now thanks.
KOOOOIIIIISHIIIIIIIII <3
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I wonder if any of the 'most difficult cards' will make a comeback. Would be nice to see Satori pull out Virtue of Wind God -> Aya survival -> zombie fairies etc.
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I think most likely Satori will only recollect Aya's cards so we have another lolvsyourselfalaShikieiki
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I wonder if any of the 'most difficult cards' will make a comeback. Would be nice to see Satori pull out Virtue of Wind God -> Aya survival -> zombie fairies etc.
Well, StB's vs. Yourself (10-8) card had a redone version of Illusionary Dominance for pictures 4~6. 10-8 was pretty fun, IMO.
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Also wishing for a second edition of BAiJR. :*
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I think most likely Satori will only recollect Aya's cards so we have another lolvsyourselfalaShikieiki
Maybe we'll have cards from Touhou 11 (example: SUBTERRANEAN ROSE!!) or even cards from the playable characters of Touhou 9.
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or even cards from the playable characters of Touhou 9.
You mean like they did in Shoot the Bullet?
Actually, Satori would be an interesting vehicle for cards from three people who are conspicuously absent from StB -
*Aya (well okay she wasn't technically absent, but etc.)
*Reimu
*Marisa
and her fourth one would be original.
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Satori
original
What.
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What.
Another psychic-themed spell like Terrifying Hypnotism, or one of those clippy ornate nonspells.
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Let's get my guesses in, before the game comes out~
Level 1: Aki Sisters
Level 2: Kisume/Yamame
Level 3: Hina/Parsee
Level 4: Nitori/Momizi
Level 5: Yuugi/Rin
Level 6: Ichirin/Minamitsu
Level 7: Kogasa/Iku (lol random round)
Level 8: Sanae/Kanako
Level 9: Shou/Byakuren
Level 10: Satori/Utsuho
Level EX: Suwako/Koishi/Nue/Tenshi
Nazrin will be in th13, witch will be a Phantasmagoria game or replace Momizi.
Edit: Or put her into level 4 together with Nitori and Momizi because thats actually the Level that had 3 characters in StB... namely Reisen, Tei and Medicine.
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Let's get my guesses in, before the game comes out~
Level 1: Aki Sisters
Level 2: Kisume/Yamame
Level 3: Hina/Parsee
Level 4: Nitori/Momizi
Level 5: Yuugi/Rin
Level 6: Ichirin/Minamitsu
Level 7: Kogasa/Iku (lol random round)
Level 8: Sanae/Kanako
Level 9: Shou/Byakuren
Level 10: Satori/Utsuho
Level EX: Suwako/Koishi/Nue/Tenshi
Nazrin will be in th13, witch will be a Phantasmagoria game or replace Momizi.
Edit: Or put her into level 4 together with Nitori and Momizi because thats actually the Level that had 3 characters in StB... namely Reisen, Tei and Medicine.
Actually not bad guesses at all. I would move Kogasa/Iku to Stage 5 or so, though.
Nazrin is awkward to place because the UFO characters are all high up on your lists. I kind of expected Kisume to be the third Stage 4 boss, but that would put Nazrin in Stage 2 (which is rather possible).
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Also, swap Level 9 and 10, because then it will be in order. StB had the final bosses and their Dragons in order too.
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Also, swap Level 9 and 10, because then it will be in order. StB had the final bosses and their Dragons in order too.
We don't get Aya vs. Aya in Stage 10 if we do that...
I see your point though.
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I'm expecting Orin and Okuu to be in the same level.
If the Aki Sisters' spell cards play similar we'll probably see Nazi-rin with them as well.
And Kisume is going to suffer the same fate as Daiyousei :ohdear:
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And Kisume is going to suffer the same fate as Daiyousei :ohdear:
Doubtful. Kisume is
*a named character
*a loli in a bucket
and both of those are hard to pass up.
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Also Kisume actually has spellcards
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Nazrin is awkward to place because the UFO characters are all high up on your lists. I kind of expected Kisume to be the third Stage 4 boss, but that would put Nazrin in Stage 2 (which is rather possible).
Not seeing your reasoning there. Why would you put a Stage 1 Midboss like Kisume so high?
I think Nazrin, beeing an Stage 5 Midboss, is quite nicely placed with Momizi and Nitori.
Also, swap Level 9 and 10, because then it will be in order. StB had the final bosses and their Dragons in order too.
Just followed the common idea of Satori = Shikieiki
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Not seeing your reasoning there. Why would you put a Stage 1 Midboss like Kisume so high?
I think Nazrin, beeing an Stage 5 Midboss, is quite nicely placed with Momizi and Nitori.
Stage 4 was basically the "leftovers" Stage in StB - all of the bosses were actually lategame characters, but they were all minor so they were tossed someplace.
My reasoning goes the other way around from yours - there are no UFO characters in your list until Stage 6. I really don't see that as likely, and the most fitting character to move down is Nazrin (who is still a Stage 1 boss who got a Stage 5 cameo).
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108 total scenes.
First 2 stages have 6 scenes.
Leaves 12 full size stages.
I'm not entirely sure that all the Ex bosses will be in one stage, considering that Kanako and Suwako are considered equal in power and that Nue is actually considered weak by the player characters. Also I just don't like Tenshi and will be pissed if she's the last character.
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Oh right, more stages. >.> Maybe Kisume and Nazrin won't be thrown into a bin... I'm not sure which other characters can show up, though, barring Mystia, the Prismrivers, Reimu, Marisa, and a certain catfish
who doesn't exist
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...actually, that right there makes for two full-size stages.
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Let's get my guesses in, before the game comes out~
Level 1: Aki Sisters
Level 2: Kisume/Yamame
Level 3: Hina/Parsee
Level 4: Nitori/Momizi
Level 5: Yuugi/Rin
Level 6: Ichirin/Minamitsu
Level 7: Kogasa/Iku (lol random round)
Level 8: Sanae/Kanako
Level 9: Shou/Byakuren
Level 10: Satori/Utsuho
Level EX: Suwako/Koishi/Nue/Tenshi
Nazrin will be in th13, witch will be a Phantasmagoria game or replace Momizi.
I'm still wondering if there will be more scenes per level, or just more levels this time. Remember DS has a lot more scenes than StB.
Also I'm really hoping Utsuho and Rin will be in the same level. It'd feel weird if they weren't :(
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That does seem like a nice line-up, I guess... But I hope you're wrong in leaving out Yuka and the Watatsukis. I'd love to see what their spellcards would look like, especially seeing how Yuka was inexplicably shafted from StB...
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It's because Yuka didn't actually have Spell Cards per se, since she only appeared in PoFV.
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Same thing for Medicine, Komachi and Shiki, though. And guess who showed up in StB~?
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It's because Yuka didn't actually have Spell Cards per se, since she only appeared in PoFV.
I beg you pardon? (http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Phantasmagoria_of_Flower_View:_Yuka_Kazami%27s_Spell_Cards)
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Same thing for Medicine, Komachi and Shiki, though. And guess who showed up in StB~?
Point.
I prefer to think of it as Yuka's attitude towards the Spell Card system, though.
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I highly doubt the Aki sisters will get an entire stage all to themselves. They'll probably alternate as half of stage 1 or something. And Shou and Nazrin will probably have a similar arrangement.
I'm really really REALLY crossing my fingers for some teamup cards. Imagine a Satori/Koishi dual assault of the conscience and subconscience *_*
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I highly doubt the Aki sisters will get an entire stage all to themselves. They'll probably alternate as half of stage 1 or something. And Shou and Nazrin will probably have a similar arrangement.
Why would the Aki sisters need to share their 6 scenes with anyone else? There's not exactly a shortage of space.
Both Nazrin and Shou are full fledged bosses, and Nazrin is like the only stage 1 boss who actually relates to the plot. I think there's a high chance that even if they don't get a whole stage to themselves, Nazrin will still appear later on, in the same way Chen was the same stage as Youmu.
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I'm really really REALLY crossing my fingers for some teamup cards. Imagine a Satori/Koishi dual assault of the conscience and subconscience *_*
Stop being such a psychology student, Nobu :|
That said, I completely agree. *_* Oh, and ~*~FLOWER POWER~*~ for StB2. Sunflower danmaku <3
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Yeah, I only just realized Yuka was in PoFV and got shafted from StB. Whaaat. >:I Now's for hoping she'll be in Double Spoiler!
Although I doubt it.
Sooo, release in 5 days, can't wait <3 Not that anyone here will actually HAVE it until a while after that, but still.
That said, I completely agree. *_* Oh, and ~*~FLOWER POWER~*~ for StB2. Sunflower danmaku <3
But doesn't <flowerpower> erase the fuck out of your face D:
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Double Spoiler = Double Spark, let's hope
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Did I seriously just read through this entire topic...? @_@
I'm honestly not sure what to say at this point. All I can think of has been said... Though I will say that really, it's more about the music than anything else for me, though the characters themselves are also awesome. Byaku~ Remi~ Mari~
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4 days left he ? I guess that everybody will rush to buy it
THEREFORE, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, I WANT IT RIGHT NOW...!
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Tengu the world over rejoice! And I mean that - the others up here on Mt. Youkai haven't stopped partying yet. There's sake cups, streamers and feathers everywhere. No trash can will be left unturned!
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The title of the thread should be changed, because no girl is prepared for Aya!
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How did I not see this until today.
This is amazing! I lo-ove Shoot the Bullet.
Touhou needs more little spinoffs like this. Or at least something /new/ in Touhou 13 to differentiate it from the last couple of games.
...cripes, whenever I start thinking about the stuff I want Touhou 13 to have, I end up realizing that UFO has it already. Why don't I like UFO more? :/
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I dunno, given how controversial the UFO system is at least, you should at least acknowledge that "new" doesn't automatically mean "good" ...
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Well, to be fair, controversial doesn't necessarily mean "bad" in any sense, it just means controversial. I know some people who like the UFO system.
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True enough. It's quite subjective. I love the UFO system.
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Or ZUN could just make a normal shmup without a weird ass life system.
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Heaven forbid he make something not 'normal'.
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If he did, Bananamatic wouldn't have anything to complain about :V
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would it really hurt to go back to the EoSD system
4 score extends, 127 power system, normal grazing, PoC and balanced shottypes
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Yaaaaawn.
Ah, I'm just kidding. To each their own.
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would it really hurt to go back to the EoSD system
4 score extends, 127 power system, normal grazing, PoC and balanced shottypes
You say that like it's the only good system in the world.
How do you know ZUN won't implement a system in the next game that you'll like even more?
I guess all we can do is wait and see. He may go back to an old system, he may use a new one, we won't know until it's out.
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would it really hurt to go back to the EoSD system
4 score extends, 127 power system, normal grazing, PoC and balanced shottypes
That'd be boring. I personally like SA's system the best.
Also, ZUN should make a Reverse Shooting style game. It's a japanese downloadable DSi game, where you play as the enemy, setting and sending your ships against the "player" and stuff like that.
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You say that like it's the only good system in the world.
How do you know ZUN won't implement a system in the next game that you'll like even more?
it went downhill from MoF
MoF - overpowered bombs, imbalanced shottypes, bad power system
SA - hilariously useless bombs and even more useless shottypes, same power system as MoF
UFO - stupid power system along with overpowered bombs and exchanging extra memorization for an absurd amount of lives
I'm not trolling btw
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Nope. The system from MoF onwards works just as fine.
But I rarely care about systems so ... :V
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I hate almost everything about EoSD.
Even the system.
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UFO practice is really crappy though.
You start with 2 power and lose 1 after every death? It doesn't really let you practice anything with permanent 1 power. Except for timeouts.
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Touhou sucks.
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I'm not trolling btw
No, you're stating your opinion, which is good.
I personally like SA's system more than MoF's, because it's easier to gain extra lives (at least it seems to me). As for UFO, I like it, but I agree on the awful power system.
But with ZUN, there's really no knowing which direction he will continue in.
I'm personally hoping for something team-based like IN again, but as long as the power system is better than UFO I'll pretty much accept everything.
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MoF and SA are Zun's 2 best games. Things started getting better with IN.
No crappy hitboxes like EoSD, no bad movement speeds like PCB. No where near as much clipdeath as EoSD or PCB. I don't even remember the last time I clipdeathed in either MoF or SA, but it happens every time I play EoSD or PCB. Mostly balanced shottypes depending on playstyle.
Then UFO went to the same crap I hate EoSD for. Overly random boss attacks, lots of walling, lots of clipdeath. And unlike EoSD where it's mainly the bosses that cause issues, the stages have most of these issues as well.
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That reminds me, one of the things I want Zun to really fix is the visibility of bullets on items. About a fourth of my deaths on UFO stem from the fact that I can't see a blue bullet on a cluster of blue items. It's really annoying to die that way.
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And why does 90% of UFO bullets glow
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Seriously, those glowing bullets are much easier to see than those in PCB and IN. Mesh of Light and Darkness, Maiden's Bunraku, Keine, for example.
(the only complaint about UFO!Bullets so far is Superhuman where Byaku charges right in front of your face, and add to that glowing effect ...)
Heck, I could do 80% of post-Midboss!Nazrin without bombs/misses, but I still occasionally clip those.
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Touhou sucks.
Agreed.
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(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/711/animafiacritic.jpg)
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Agreed.
hopping on the bandwagon
the only good thing is stage practice and extra
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Touhou sucks.
(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1935/reactionmikosanae.png)
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I think part of the reason for the "terrible power systems MoF+" may be that ZUN is trying to make non-max power levels actually exist past stage one.
MoF and SA's power systems weren't bad (although the bombs themselves could have been done better), although UFO does really screw you over for dying more then once within a small amount of time.
I think a cool idea for a power system would be where you just go up one power level for each stage, which could also make shot type balancing a lot more specific. That of course leaves power items out of the picture though, so... yeah. Even that has flaws in it.
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Dodonpachi sucks.
Fix'd.
MoF/SA's power systems are all right, but UFO's is terrible. You are punished, SEVERELY, for dying. Die twice on one spell card, or a noncard and the following card, and your power is halved for the rest of the boss? Please. It encourages bomb spamming more than any other game, even MoF. That is not a good thing.
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If you learn how to chain UFOs properly you have little to worry about, though.
I don't know. I think ZUN manages to create a decent balance from game to game while still trying new things. Maybe I just don't nitpick enough.
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If you learn how to chain UFOs properly you have little to worry about, though.
I don't know. I think ZUN manages to create a decent balance from game to game while still trying new things. Maybe I just don't nitpick enough.
80% of a 1cc is a planned UFO route.
If you memorize the stages and follow a set UFO route, you can bomb everything which is even slightly dangerous and still 1cc it
baity himself said it
"learning how to chain UFOs" means "memorize a path"
yo dawg I heard you like touhou so we put a memorizer into a memorizer so you can memorize while you memorize
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As opposed to the other Touhou games where the patterns are constantly changing and you don't need to memorize anything?
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You're being too mature and reasonable Ammy!
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yo dawg I heard you like touhou so we put a memorizer into a memorizer so you can memorize while you memorize
the only good thing is stage practice and extra
Interesting.
Besides, don't most shmups (stages) revolve around memorizing anyway?
Also, this is starting to derail.
Cut cut:
You're being too mature and reasonable Ammy!
This isn't a bad thing and I respect him for it.
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As opposed to the other Touhou games where the patterns are constantly changing and you don't need to memorize anything?
Durr, are we really having the EXACT SAME BIT over again? Yes, you have to memorize in any shmup and in Touhou, but UFO takes it to the extreme.
Stop recycling arguments, guys.
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Durr, are we really having the EXACT SAME BIT over again? Yes, you have to memorize in any shmup and in Touhou, but UFO takes it to the extreme.
Stop recycling arguments, guys.
It's just a strange point to make. It's like complaining that the bullets are fast, or that you have to fight bosses.
Moreover, there isn't just one path through UFO. You can chain UFOs here and there, going for reds sometimes, greens others, or on some occassions just playing it safe and not going after UFOs at all.
This "there is but one path through UFO!" is news to me, and really, really bizarre.
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It's just a strange point to make. It's like complaining that the bullets are fast, or that you have to fight bosses.
BAWWWWW REMILIA IS BS THIS SERIES IS SO STUPID
...erm, sorry.
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Wasn't this thread derailed long ago because we ran out of stuff to discuss about? :V
whatever let's take it into another thread like before
extra is cool because one derp won't kill your run and there aren't st1 and st2 which you have to restart for an hour straight
UFO would be 10 times cooler if the power system wouldn't kill any possible fun in stage practice
also why do I get 0,07 power after a death
is the game supposed to laugh at you or something
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It's just a strange point to make. It's like complaining that the bullets are fast, or that you have to fight bosses.
OR that this game is rediciously hard (even one elementary school kid level)
Edit: WHY DID THIS TAKE ME 3 TIMES TO POST?
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And WTF is up with those FPS games? Why is my hand in my field of vision all the time? I don't walk around with my hand outstretched in front of my face. Why would it be any different in a world gone mad at the bottom of the ocean with mutants and libertarians and little girls all trying to kill me?
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And WTF is up with those FPS games? Why is my hand in my field of vision all the time?
>options
>display
>draw gun: off
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Oh. Heh.
Never mind.
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but UFO takes it to the extreme
Errrr... no (http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=6173). It can potentially though, as can all other games. The point is moot.
You can sightread UFO chaining. And if you can't do that then you need to understand the two fundamental rules regarding UFO color changing.
extra is cool because one derp won't kill your run and there aren't st1 and st2 which you have to restart for an hour straight
The point I'm making is that it (Extra) has been described by many people as "lol-memorization" all the way through. Though, UFO seems to be more random (or "over the top"[not my opinion] in some cases) in its Stage more than any other Windows Extra at this point.
UFO would be 10 times cooler if the power system wouldn't kill any possible fun in stage practice
Define. And examples please. Keep in mind that there's only one Stage where I would complain about Power being a pain.
Now I don't know about you, but I find it more fun when I can stay inside the attacks for longer. And more rewarding if I get out unscathed.
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Define. And examples please. Keep in mind that there's only one Stage where I would complain about Power being a pain.
Every single stage.
I want to try to dodge the attacks, to figure them out without bombing(stage too - and the initial 2 power doesn't help) - then I get a good run on a hard spellcard and it ends out with a death at 7 seconds left because I didn't bombspam everything before that card.
You are also much better than me, so you probably don't need that much power...but 1 power are potential timeouts even with constant shooting.
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I was being facetious when I said that Touhou sucked. I thought it was kinda moronically obvious, but apparently not.
UFO doesn't require any more memorization than any other Touhou game. A shmup that gives you potentially 12+ lives and bombs being called a 'memorizer' is just retarded.
And all this 'my game is better than yours' garbage getting thrown around is getting really fucking annoying. Both sides are displaying such ignorance that I don't even. Why can't you all just play what you enjoy and shut the fuck up, I mean Jesus Christ.
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I was being facetious when I said that Touhou sucked. I thought it was kinda moronically obvious, but apparently not.
fyi 90% of the stuff I post isn't exactly serious either
just saying that touhou is becoming less dodge and more figure it out
I like to dodge
I prefer simple mechanics in my shmups
that's all
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'I'm not trolling' isn't really how you establish that you're joking.
And who cares if you are or anyone else is? The discussion has been going on for like a month and has popped up in a bunch of completely unrelated threads. Personally, I'm tired of reading it. Just let the poor horse be dead in peace already.
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I'd also like to drop it
because I'm tired of countering baity's posts but I keep getting more thoughts for some reason
So is there anything else to discuss about this game? Do we know anything at all?
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Replying to last points before leaving it.
You are also much better than me, so you probably don't need that much power...but 1 power are potential timeouts even with constant shooting.
I'm still not that great of a player, no matter what it may look like to you. 1 Power potential timeouts have existed since MoF.
All I have is :theory!: really.
he discussion has been going on for like a month and has popped up in a bunch of completely unrelated threads.
It has been going for almost a year, since the release of the Trial IIRC.
I'd also like to drop itbecause I'm tired of countering baity's posts but I keep getting more thoughts for some reason
It's because somebody (and this is more than 1 person) keeps bringing back up the "subject".
So is there anything else to discuss about this game? Do we know anything at all?
"This" as in Double Spoiler? Sure. I'll add something.
The shots I'm seeing have a score with a significant singles unit digit. In StB, the least significant digit was the tens.
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So is there anything else to discuss about this game?
When Double Spoiler is released, it'll turn out to be a racing game, and everyone will be all "WTF SCREENSHOTS". Making my bet now.
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When Double Spoiler is released, it'll turn out to be a racing game, and everyone will be all "WTF SCREENSHOTS". Making my bet now.
/me raises
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If you win that bet, I'll give you my entire PatchuLegs##.jpg collection.
(Though I'd probably give it to you guys anyway. BV )
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that implies less than 100 pictures
no deal man
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Hey, I only give real quality images that designation.
Plus, when my computer got wiped in January, I had to start over... ;_;
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That'd be boring. I personally like SA's system the best.
Also, ZUN should make a Reverse Shooting style game. It's a japanese downloadable DSi game, where you play as the enemy, setting and sending your ships against the "player" and stuff like that.
There was a flash game like this in newgrounds a long time ago. Though it was alittle bit annoying since you have to click every trap one by one in order to use it. Only real gripe I have about that game. Though it was really neat when they added in the second player actually playing as the ship.
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that implies less than 100 pictures
no deal man
Base 16 man, base 16.
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And people wonder why I use haxcheats. :smug:
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Oh man, Touhou HakuRacing, how greeat would that be.
Also does anybody know if any sites have put up pre-orders for DS by now?
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Also does anybody know if any sites have put up pre-orders for DS by now?
None that I know of.
It would be up on the Japanese Touhou wiki the moment it's announced at any store.
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Who's fucking excited right now
This weekend baby
fuck yeah
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I'm so excited I can hardly focus.
GET IT? Focus?
Waka waka waka!
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I still have to survive Chemistry tomorrow
and half a day without having anything to do.
Damn.
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Thanks to a national holiday, it's a three days long weekend for me. So yay, I'll have time to try it!
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YES! its soooo close
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So ... Less than 2 days. I'm so excited.
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I hope you all get Yukari gapped or drugged by Eirin =(
This weekend will be homework weekend for me. I hope I get time to write an full article for Double Spoiler once it is released. But yea it is exciting.
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Shoot the Bullet was one of my favorite games so I'm excited. I actually liked getting to see a little more of what the older characters could do.
I'm ready to rock and roll on this demo though, I just fired up 9-6 from StB and took it in like 10 tries.
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I'm ready to rock and roll on this demo though, I just fired up 9-6 from StB and took it in like 10 tries.
Fortunately for you, it'll be a full game, not a demo :V
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Fortunately for you, it'll be a full game, not a demo :V
Now I'm scared :ohdear:
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http://movapic.com/pic/201003130930574b9adcc156933
...Aya? ?-? she...doesn't seem to be Aya...she seems like Flandre but withouth the wings...and she has Aya's hat...but that hairs?
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I was ABOUT to post that!
New character maybe? RIVAL TENGU JOURNALIST!? Maybe that's why it's a "Double Spoiler", aya is trying to shame a tengu who shamed her
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yeah, i thinked to another Tengu too! i'm so excited by this *_* a new character!!
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Maybe its called Double Spoiler because it has two characters from Touhou 13 in it?
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Holy crap if it's another tengu ... dare I hope?
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It's definitely a tengu, by the geta she's wearing on her feet.
Then again, it could just be Aya with her new hairstyle. The silhouette can be seen to have twintails with her head posed at a 45 degree angle to her right.
Then again, the silhouette can be described as a tengu with a ponytail on her left and a crow on her right shoulder.
Left says トラディショナルな妖怪達の本気の日常を＊写せよ！
Can't read the text outlined in white.
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IT MUST BE RIN SATSUKI!
Err.. wait, what?
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Quick MSN Messenger drawing telling friends about the CD case:
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5777/awesometengu.gif)
Doesn't looks like Aya to me~
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it just looks like Aya got a new hat to me. :V
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Holy crap if it's another tengu ... dare I hope?
Oh, how quickly we forget our White Wolves.
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Wait until the sexy silhouette gets filled in with top-of-the-line ZUN arts.
Aww yeah~
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Twin ponytail Aya, on top of those ears, would make this my favorite game before even playing it.
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IT'S MITORI, I CAN FEEL IT IN MY BONES
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IT'S MITORI, I CAN FEEL IT IN MY BONES
Naw, it's obviously SASH SASHAROMIYA :V
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Looks like a maid to me :V
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Clearly that is Mima.
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Clearly that is Mima.
*takes a swig*
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HOLY! MIMA!? LET'S HOPE!
*starts praying*
Aw. I bet ZUN forgot about her. But it's two more days!!
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I bet $20 that it will not feature Mima.
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I bet $20 that it will not feature Mima.
If Mima is in Double Spoiler, I'm donating to Reimu!!
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Oh, how quickly we forget our White Wolves.
Isn't it sad Kilga? How people forget Momiji =| shame on you all
(http://i39.tinypic.com/ruw6bq.jpg)
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omg, Aya with long hair and Momiji with a ponytail? X???
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Isn't it sad Kilga? How people forget Momiji =| shame on you all
Too bad that picture you linked is actually Momiji crying tears of joy FOR Aya.
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No decent tengu forgets our canid brethren.
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Too bad that picture you linked is actually Momiji crying tears of joy FOR Aya.
Yes but if you only knew what the picture actually is about :v
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Yes but if you only knew what the picture actually is about :v
Read teh moonspeak :V
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Read teh moonspeak :V
Then you get what N-Forza said already :V
Maybe Hele was talking about the context form which the picture is taken?
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:V Exactly as Sakachi said, you Inaba :V
It is actually from this: N S F W (http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=6360381)
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So this game's comin' out today, huh?
...Hmm, I'm always unexcited the day it's coming. Maybe it's to preserve myself for OMG StB 2 YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS when it does come out.
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inB4 Screenshots, vids, and Double Spoilers
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March 14th, 1:53 AM, GMT+7.
I cannot sleep ;_;
And apparently listening to U.N. Owen at this time is not a good idea at all
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It's a question of hour now...
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(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w88/KimikoMuffin/muffinhoratio1.jpg)
inB4 Screenshots,
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w88/KimikoMuffin/muffinhoratio2.jpg)
vids,
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w88/KimikoMuffin/muffinhoratio3.jpg)
and Double Spoilers
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w88/KimikoMuffin/suwa-yeah.jpg) (http://www.epiconeliner.com/)
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Images, texts, and YEAAAAHHH
I just made that joke to a friend. Hit Refresh on this topic. SAW THAT.
YEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHmind
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am I the only one who doesn't care 8)
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(SiestaCephei!)PROTIP : Get a clean score.dat and unlock everything from scratch :smug:
No, it really worked. StB is now my favorite Touhou ever.
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i am very excited for possible Twintail Tengu ohmygaaaaaaah
am I the only one who doesn't care 8)
yes
get out
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I'm trying to get my Java project done today so the only decision I'll need to make tomorrow is whether I should play Double Spoiler or Pok?mon SoulSilver. :3
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No, screw you, I am getting SoulSilver
You're also getting the 573rd reply! IP for you.
Oh Snap, dreams can come true!
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am I the only one who doesn't care 8)
The only one that feels like posting in this thread just to announce that fact. :V
Less than 6 hours till Reitaisai opens! Ohmagah.
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the only decision I'll need to make tomorrow is whether I should play Double Spoiler or Pok?mon SoulSilver. :3
This. Exactly this D:
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Hey guys, I'm doing a little experiment. What's the most 8) letter in the english alphabet?
Do not ask what the experiment is.
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Hey guys, I'm doing a little experiment. What's the most 8) letter in the english alphabet?
Do not ask what the experiment is.
F and R are pretty manly letters
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M is the manliest letter there is.
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Hey guys, I'm doing a little experiment. What's the most 8) letter in the english alphabet?
Do not ask what the experiment is.
As S is a letter I could see using to impale, cut, and be used as a good thrown weapon if thrown right.
D and W get second place. D could be put over someone's head and yanked for DECAPTITATION, while W could theoritically triple impale, its just got a bit less usability.
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(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/Sapzdude/Z.jpg?t=1268511720)
Z is damn manly, in an over-the-top kind of way.
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Z and X are poseurs
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F
duh
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All the Cool kids use X.
Doctor X
Mr. X
Mister X
Super X
X-Men
Professor X
Little X
Big X
Lady X
Nation X
X-Files
The X Factor
The X Effect
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All the Cool kids use X.
Doctor X
Mr. X
Mister X
Super X
X-Men
Professor X
Little X
Big X
Lady X
Nation X
X-Files
The X Factor
The X Effect
That's because X is XTREME!
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Z
U
N
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As the dominant letter in the onomatopoeias of both the sound of a chain saw and the sounds of many predatory enemies, I'll go with R.
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R for ruro （?・ω・｀）
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I
K
D
fix'd
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Man, the experiment was to see how long until someone asked what the experiment was. Guess you guys are just too smart. Also I am dying of anticipation now, my attention span has become that of a goldfish now.
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am I the only one who doesn't care 8)
By posting in this thread, you just did :V
(I am sure you do care when it is eventually released.)
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am I the only one who doesn't care :ohdear:
fixed
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am I the only one who doesn't care 8)
I don't either. |3
I'm also posting in this thread for other reasons~
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I care enough for Bananamatic and Muffin. So it all works out.
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This may be the first Touhou game I am genuinely excited for. StB is my favourite game and this is just like a dream come true. Figuratively speaking of course. Not that I dream about Touhou games.
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This may be the first Touhou game I am genuinely excited for. StB is my favourite game and this is just like a dream come true. Figuratively speaking of course. Not that I dream about Touhou games.
Well, I've once had a dream about a shmup I've never played. :V
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well I am not really exited... :V
Also... 1 hour 15 minutes... I would fail as a clock.
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Everybody acknowledge Bananamatic's indifference to this game, please. I think he's asking to be acknowledged.
I acknowledge you, Bananamatic.
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Also... 1 hour 15 minutes...
Wait, is that when Double Spoiler comes out?
Yeeeeeeesssssss
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That's when the gates open up for the long-ass lines anyway.
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WE HAVE TO MAKE IT SO THAT A WEASTERNER IS THE FIRST ONE TO PLAY DOUBLE SPOILERS
THE TOUHOU FANDOM WOULD TURN INSIDE OUT
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How would you even prove that?
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:X!!!
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That's when the gates open up for the long-ass lines anyway.
it's ok. i'm sure the Touhou fans have equipped themselves with +5 Charisma Steamrollers. getting through lines will be a breeze.
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I hope I won?t get Triple Spoilered before ever being able to play it.
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How would you even prove that?
Whip out a laptop and start playing right there where everyone can see
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Steamrollers
<insert WRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY here>
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Whip out a laptop and start playing right there where everyone can see
YES! And set up a live webcam feed to Japan, furiously playing DoubleSpoiler while playing Lynyrd Skynyrd and yelling "LOOK AT ME, JAPAN! FIRST, BITCHES!"
it's ok. i'm sure the Touhou fans have equipped themselves with +5 Charisma Steamrollers. getting through lines will be a breeze.
And many of them will simply graze their way to the front, hoping to autocollect.
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Also... 1 hour 15 minutes...
I'm fairly sure there should be an extra hour on this. Local time over there is just about 8am as of this post.
Guess it's about time to actually nag my contact over there to get going then! :V
Also:
I acknowledge you, Bananamatic.
:3
Warning - while you were typing 5 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
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I'm fairly sure there should be an extra hour on this. Local time over there is just about 8am as of this post.
Guess it's about time to actually nag my contact over there to get going then! :V
Woops... mistook england timezone with japan timezone.
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YES! And set up a live webcam feed to Japan, furiously playing DoubleSpoiler while playing Lynyrd Skynyrd and yelling "LOOK AT ME, JAPAN! FIRST, BITCHES!"
teehee, that sounds dirty
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I don't see how there can be spoilers about this game. I mean, we all know who are going to be in it.
Unless PC-98 characters make a cameo, but as much as I'd love that I know it won't happen.
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I acknowledge you, BEATRIIICEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
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I don't see how there can be spoilers about this game. I mean, we all know who are going to be in it.
Unless PC-98 characters make a cameo, but as much as I'd love that I know it won't happen.
Twintail Tengu X, Spellcards, possible story, and possible new gameplay elements might count as double spoilers
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I'll probably end up playing it anyways
for 5 minutes
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Hu ? (http://www.amethystdream.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/umineko-301.png)
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Your indifference is acknowledged again, Bananamatic.
You hear that, everybody? He really, really, really doesn't care!
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Protip I got from Matsuri like an hour ago: If you ignore someone in your private message options, their posts are also replaced with a notification that you're ignoring them.
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I've tried killfiling on other forums. It doesn't work for me. I get too curious to see what they said.
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Unless PC-98 characters make a cameo, but as much as I'd love that I know it won't happen.
I don't see PC-98 characters appearing.... but I see either Byakuren or Shou with a Cheeto Lasers card.
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goddamn cheeto lasers
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I have it on very good authority that Level 6 Stage 2 is going to be the Five Magic Stones.
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I have it on very good authority that Level 6 Stage 2 is going to be the Five Magic Stones.
I'm curious as to where you're getting this.
...is it a magic eight ball? It's a magic eight ball, isn't it?
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goddamn cheeto lasers
owning Touhou players since 2003
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goddamn cheeto lasers
owning Touhou players since 1998
Also, the cheeto lasers were only bad when you moved too much :V
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It's a magic eight ball, isn't it?
more like a magic nine ball
owning Touhou players since 1998
Oh yeah forgot MS :V
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I have my sources. Would a tengu ever repeat a mistruth?
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I have my sources. Would a tengu ever repeat a mistruth?
That sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all like a blatant lie!
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more like a magic nine ball
Ahahahahaha
haha
ha...ha.
....
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I have it on very good authority that Level 6 Stage 2 is going to be the Five Magic Stones.
Psikyo Sign "Instant Laser"
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Ahahahahaha
haha
ha...ha.
....
I know it was bad.
That?s why I did it on purpose...
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... ^^"
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Hooohooohooo
It's nearly the time...get ready, the girls are preparing.
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get ready
I AM READY
to go to bed finally.
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Gates are open people.
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Eh, I did this last year, may as well do so again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYTSBdxzj98
/o/ \o\
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Eh, I did this last year, may as well do so again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYTSBdxzj98
/o/ \o\
_o| _o\ \o\ \o| |o| |o/ /o/ /o_ |o_
Let's WAIIIIIIT even more but with music
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(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2573/1268465617151.png)(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1352/1268473820517.jpg)
(I hope I resized that right, found it while browsing Google)
(YES I REALLY MEANT GOOGLE EVIDENTLY)
Nope. Don't use the resize code, especially when you used it to make images larger. It's unnecessary. ~Matsuri
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You have it !
The HOPE !
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You have it !
The HOPE !
Yeah no :/
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That is one deformed looking silhouette I'll tell ya what.
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That is one deformed looking silhouette I'll tell ya what.
story: utsuho gave everyone cancer and everyone shoots the crap out of aya for no reason
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Oh god
Can't sleep
Have half a 3-litre bottle of Coke right next to me
GET FREAKING HYPE
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I'm not sure how this person got it but ...
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/2690/m8ecr5.jpg)
So that explains the single-number digit :V
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Confirmed girls so far:
Shizuha
Minoriko
Parsee
Hina
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Gettin really scared now :ohdear:
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On second thought, I will keep a running tally of confirmed enemies in the OP.
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and here I am f5ing 2chan
so much for not caring
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Screencaps are trickling in, please watch warmly~
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also it still looks like the old stb
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Camping /jp/, but so far I've only seen YEAHHHHHH AWESOME fanarts :*
And a few rare albums.
*Googles 2chan*
EDIT: MOONRUNES
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Please do not spoiler incoming characters for those that do not want them spoiled.
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MOMIZI
CONFIRMED FOR BRAWL
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Wow :V
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sticky ufo-torrent again :V
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'sup Kilga 8)
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PARSEE HAS LOVEMAKU!! OHGOD IT'S GREEN
Also
Momiji DOES use SCs <3 Her BG has pretty clouds <3
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So many glowing bullets... :ohdear:
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So many glowing bullets... :ohdear:
The sound of frames dropping.
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MOMIJI GOT SOME MOTHERFUCKING SPELLCARDS!
:*
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So many glowing bullets...
He did say we needed to train ourselves.... To handle shitty hitboxes.
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So many glowing bullets... :ohdear:
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-
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And thus the flow of information slows as the game's difficulty curve turns into a brick wall.
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So many glowing bullets... :ohdear:
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THE SCREENIES. THEY ARE EVERYWHERE Doesn't look too hard tbh >_>
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(http://i40.tinypic.com/154uj9g.jpg)
Having to go against Momiji as Aya ... seriously, I love this game already.
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MYSTERY X-TENGU WILL BE THE NEXT 10-8
I CAN FEEL IT IN MY BONES
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Why am I even in this thread? I don't care about Do It Again, Stupid (http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=336) games.
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Then go to a different thread?
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Can we make a StB hate thread? Just asking :V
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You're going to be lonely :V
Besides, this is good enough (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5148.420)
Doing BoWaP impatiently :ohdear:
I think I see the pattern now :V
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oh shit whoever's playing just reached stage 5
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ICHIRIN AND UNZAN
CONFIRMED
EDIT:
MURASA
CONFIRMED AS WELL
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ICHIRIN AND UNZAN
CONFIRMED
8) 8) 8)
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Haha, I was reading that DIAS article and reading the comments...
Shoot the Bullet, numbered ?9.5″ in the series, is mission-based, with no lives or continues. Yep.
And then there is a lot more under that :V
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MURASA
CONFIRMED
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ICHIRIN AND UNZAN
CONFIRMED
EDIT:
MURASA
CONFIRMED AS WELL
AHhahaha cloud fury!
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MURASA
CONFIRMED
beat you to it :smug:
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beat you to it :smug:
Well then /:<
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... I don't see how this thing is harder than StB.
WHERE ARE THE BULLETS ?
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Wat
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The beginning shots are always easy :V
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... I don't see how this thing is harder than StB.
WHERE ARE THE BULLETS ?
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Wat
The same way SA and UFO are harder but less dense than the other games
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So this means Stage 5 will be the
SLOWDOWN
stage?
... I don't see how this thing is harder than StB.
WHERE ARE THE BULLETS ?
Most of the screenshots are during the attacks' first phases, which are always trivial.
Plus, wait till they're actually moving.
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I think the contributor is playing Easy modo so he can get screenshots up.
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This game has an easy mode? :|
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It should keep track of how much time you spend on the first photo for the scene just so people can see how much time they got to waste on the first trivial shot.
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I think we just hit our first REAL spoiler.
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GIGANT SUIKA
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!
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So ... what is "Norma 50000" ?
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So tempted to mouse over that blackness...
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lsdiufvbsidudvbasdivosdvsdl,lkjvbsaoidv bauiosdvbsdpoaivbasdovibiowvuwbhefvubads
yay suika
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This game has an easy mode? :|
Huh. Yeah, no, probably not. It's been pointed out that no photos were taken in the shots, so maybe there's a burst of hellfire after the first few seconds or something
so I'm going with that now.
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Meh, this is still pretty small compared to the traffic during UFO's release.
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Level 6 is Oni time! (Yuugi confirmed)
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Damn I am weak... already moused over
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Nazrin
mugged Komachi, more at eleven
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Mini Suikas
will make Shanghai jealous.
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Also, is it just me or the scenes here don't require as much shots ?
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if it's nazrin, the other must be shou!
Just guessing, I really don't know for sure
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if it's nazrin, the other must be shou!
Nope, it's Orin
.... oh god, the cat and mouse
JOKES
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aaaaaa
orin <333333
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WHO CARES ABOUT THE JOKES, IT'S THE MIGHTY
DEATH FAIRY WHEEL
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Yay
Utsuho
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I still can't get over the fact that
Momiji has rabies. D:
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さとこいが一緒に出るのかな？
Let's hope so. *crosses fingers*
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Holy crap
there's a video up.
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The music in this game is pretty good.
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Sanae
confirmed!
As if she wasn't already a given, though...
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The music in this game is pretty good.
Not after listening to one theme for 2 hours straight :V
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HOLY **** SANAE WTF!
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Holy crap there's a video up.
Oh god link please
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SHOW ME ALL THE STUFF
CAN'T FIND ANY OF IT
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http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv13022423
Stop losing to Yamame >=(
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9、さとりこいし
10、聖ぬえ
Ex、二柱
除外：早苗さん
と予想
Hoping this guy is right!
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Grr. cant watch.
No Nico account.
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Grr. cant watch.
No Nico account.
Bugmenot is your friend.
Also, having watched Level 3, yeah, it does look pretty hard, for me, anyway.
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Replacing with dic and v doesn't allow watching it. Crap.
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Who is "二柱" supposed to be?
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http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll65/momijitsukuyomi/youguysareidiots.png (http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll65/momijitsukuyomi/youguysareidiots.png)
Gee, I wonder who's posting comments.
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AHhahahahahahahaa
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Holy hell
Kisume
is nuts.
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Where do you log in?
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Holy hell Kisume
is nuts.
you you
double spoiler
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll65/momijitsukuyomi/youguysareidiots.png (http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll65/momijitsukuyomi/youguysareidiots.png)
Gee, I wonder who's posting comments.
not me :smug:
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lol english
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I wonder how many BGM tracks there are. The small number of them in StB was my only gripe about that game.
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Yamame
is American because she's so fat
dahahahaha
oh those zany comments
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I don't like the black background in spell cards =/
(P.S. everyone use Double Spoiler tag, NAO)
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It's raining umbrellas!
Everything's topsy-turvy in Gensokyo!
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ack, now i found out i have to write it in japanese.
what is that username and password in japanese?
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The comment box is becoming more interesting than the game play. :3
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The comment box is becoming more interesting than the game play. :3
Seriously. I could sit here and watch this for hours.
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This is fucking annoying. I had to turn comments off so I could see the video through the WTC faggotry.
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It's making me lol
(Though the IR student in me wonders how it will affect international relationships in the Touhou community. :ohdear: )
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looks just as boring as the original stb tbh :V
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lol guy streaming the video mentions something about 'gaijin baka'
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More boring than the original tbh. Then again it's Lv.4.
How do I turn the comments off ?
Btw is brutal ._.
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This is fucking annoying.
Yep. Doing a stand-up job of representing the western Touhou community, one comment stream at a time. Christ.
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looks just as boring as the original stb tbh :V
We get it already. You don't like it. Shut the hell up.
How do I turn the comments off ?
Click that button that says 'comment'.
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Yep. Doing a stand-up job of representing the western Touhou community, one comment stream at a time. Christ.
This is like saying that 2ch isn't that bad either.
I am being subjective because I am spazzing out!
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ZUN's new attacks are actually brilliant BV
If we had half his skill then Ijiyatsu would be out already :V
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KOISHI AND SATORI
HELL YES
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KOISHI AND SATORI
HELL YES
About damn time! I can't wait~
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Being annoying 101.
The more you complain the more they'll do it silly Japanese.
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This is like saying that 2ch isn't that bad either.
Yeah, in fairness I wouldn't know.
KOISHI AND SATORI
HELL YES
Oh hell yes.
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WHAT WHEN WHERE
I have a feeling the wasn't done well enough :< . It's like a bunch of bullets moving vertically in a fixed manner >_>
That is nice though.
(and I seem to have missed a spell card while typing this Oo)
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oh koishi, ur danmaku will never change
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We get it already. You don't like it. Shut the hell up.
Just stated my opinion after seeing some gameplay.
Now I'll leave this thread and enjoy the comments on the stream :V
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KOISHI AND SATORI
HELL YES
AT THE SAME TIME??
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Just stated my opinion after seeing some gameplay.
Now I'll leave this thread and enjoy the comments on the stream :V
You've stated your opinion on almost every goddamn page.
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KOISHI AND SATORI
HELL YES
MOTHERFUCKER
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Now I'll leave this thread
Good. This is not your personal troll playground.
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More boring than the original tbh. Then again it's Lv.4.
... Okay not quite. spell card just now makes me go :*
(a pattern and total randomness afterwards is cool)
Definitely a must play here.
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YES MY FRIEND FINALLY REMEMBERED WHAT HER NICONICO ACCOUNT WAS
*starts watching*
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I am jealous.
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Shou and Tenshi!
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FUCK YES FUCK YES FUCK YESSSS
TENSHI!!!!!
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Where are Shou and Tenshi ?
Must turn off sound before I get too used to it >_>
(because songs tend to sound repetitive (and bad) after a while)
Am I the only one who keeps hearing that EXTEND! sound effect ?
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Oh my god
EL
FEVER
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oh
iku
too
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awwwww yeah
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Iku's sprite
made me Ugh..
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DNAMAKU.
I love you ZUN.
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Uh is it just me or is there
only one song...
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And only five photos per scene.
I miss Ten Kings Bar >=(
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nevermind
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And only five photos per scene.
I miss Ten Kings Bar >=(
I dont >__>
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Good. This is not your personal troll playground.
Who am I trolling again? :V
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Uh is it just me or is there only one song...
A screenshot of the music room showed 6 songs.
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At least something that goes all crazy at the later photos <_<
Yeah (9)+1 Kings Bar went a little overboard ... but 10-1 is fine too.
And hey this looks like a new track. Badass name is badass. (http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5561/1268540146044.jpg)
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A screenshot of the music room showed 6 songs.
oh :V
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A green Kanako confirmed.
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What happened to
Kanako's
color? :ohdear:
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oh hey Suwako
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it might only just be when is releasing the snakes or w.e like how she colour changed alot
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Also; Ribbit!
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Also; Ribbit!
but she has the colour oddness too :V
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KANAHULK AND SUWAHULK CRUSH PUNY TENGU WITH DIVINE POWER
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I wonder what's up with the weird colors.
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So no
Byakuren yet? Is she like the ultimate final boss? :V
I wonder what's up with the weird colors.
They actually always had those colours
It's thier invincibility colours
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Where are all these new screenshots, I'm not getting any updates.
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Byakuren
is in.
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Byakuren
is in.
So is Nue!
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Byakuren
is in.
So uh that's about everyone covered right?
Everyone confirmed + Suika
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He is still at the music room for me.
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surprise reimu and marisa? :V
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
NUE CONFIRMED AS WELL
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But what about....
MYSTERY TENGU X
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But what about.... MYSTERY TENGU X
If there are still some levels left...
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Hm,
an in-game manual.
That's new.
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But what about.... MYSTERY TENGU X
Might be actually Nitori,
or it might be another fake.
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So uh that's about everyone covered right?
Everyone confirmed + Suika
No Yuugi. Unless shes with suika somehow. : (
~Edit oh she is :P
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Where are you guys getting all this, also I'm baack and a little drunk
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Hm, an in-game manual.
That's new.
There was an in-game manual
in StB as well :P
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There was an in-game manual in StB as well :P
No way..? All these years and I didn't notice? :V
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hahaha u can capture
unzan's brofist
and it vanishes :V
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Oh my god that
BROFIST SLAM CARD AHAHAHAHA
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But what about.... MYSTERY TENGU X
The Omake.txt talks about a certain Himekaidou Hatate if it is of any indication.
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My Internet exploded ... It couldn't withstand the power of BROFISTS :ohdear:
Look at her danmaku. Nue is Shikieiki in disguise !
:V
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ANCHOR ANCHOR MURASA'S ASS ANCHOR
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Mmm, didn't take long for him to capture
CAPTAIN MOTHERFUCKING MURASA's anchors
Now on to UNZAN HEAD LASERS
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So I guess this game ends with
Nue
No newbies? :(
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He sucks at
Unzan and Ichirin
. Even I play better than him!
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Can't get the stream. BRB Seppuku
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It looks like
Unzan is popping pimples all over his face and squirting the stuff out at you as puss lasers
I CAN'T UNSEE ;-;
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http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5337.0
Also, yaay Nue~
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So I guess this game ends with Nue
No newbies? :(
Doubt it, the cover seems to say that there must be someone else....They're has to be.
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Doubt it, the cover seems to say that there must be someone else....They're has to be.
I already showed you the mystery tengu (http://i39.tinypic.com/fmfle.jpg) in IRC. Do you doubt the veracity of my claim?
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I already showed you the mystery tengu (http://i39.tinypic.com/fmfle.jpg) in IRC. Do you doubt the veracity of my claim?
ilu
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But she already could! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hEf5N6mDu8&fmt=22#t=4m25s)
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But she already could! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hEf5N6mDu8&fmt=22#t=4m25s)
:ohdear:
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So... Fan Artists are already starting with
the new girl.
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=9349569
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But she already could! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hEf5N6mDu8&fmt=22#t=4m25s)
Shes sounds like a fly when she does that.
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EX：通常全Lv1枚以上＆全部で53枚
SP：EX3枚＆全部で58枚
はたて解放：SP全クリア
^Wait, does this mean 3 EX stages and possibly a SP stage? The 12 levels we know exist right now don't cover the 108 scenes, sooo~
Maybe EX is returning characters. Maybe it's just whoever ZUN wanted to put in them. We don't know yet <3
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Sasha and Rin BV
Stage 1 - Aki Sisters
Stage 2 - Hina + Parsee
Stage 3 - Kisume + Yamame
Stage 4 - Nitori + Momiji
Stage 5 - Ichirin and Unzan + Murasa
Stage 6 - Suika + Yugi
Stage 7 - Nazrin + Shou
Stage 8 - Okuu + Orin
Stage 9 - Koishi + Satori
Stage 10 - Iku + Tenshi
Stage 11 - Kanako + Suwako
Stage 12 - Byakuren + Nue
Yuugi's first attack is boring and the 2nd song is kind of meh ...
:ohdear:
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When I did the math, assuming Level 1 and 2 have 6 scenes and 3~12 have 8... that makes 92 scenes.
Which leaves two more 8-scene levels, EX and SP? Kewl. Can't wait to find out who gets the honor of being in those.
EDIT:Judging from what it says, I'd guess EX is unlocked on Level 1+53 scene clear and SP is unlocked on 3 EX scenes+58 scene clear. That makes sense.
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When I did the math, assuming Level 1 and 2 have 6 scenes and 3~12 have 8... that makes 92 scenes.
Which leaves two more 8-scene levels, EX and SP? Kewl. Can't wait to find out who gets the honor of being in those.
EDIT:Judging from what it says, I'd guess EX is unlocked on 53 scene clear and SP is unlocked on EX-3+58 scene clear. That makes sense.
And apparently, Hatate
is unlocked after clearing all SP scenes.
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Hetate is the character on the cover. (most probably, at least)
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5337.msg282658#msg282658
^Some info on her.
Reimu joined?
Oh my god did someone reach the EX stage
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Reimu joined?
Oh, and Marisa.
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Reimu joined?
Confirmed~!
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Marisa too
.
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Marisa too
.
God bless you, ZUN.
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I want this game so bad ;;
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kk this game is now officially worth getting.
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...and Sanae as well. Was she mentioned before?
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Yeah, I mentioned her a long time ago! And people in /jp/ still asking :P
this image was posted ages ago! (http://jan.2chan.net/may/40/src/1268537805912.jpg)
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Uh oh, Looks like Sanae uses the froggy nuke.
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wtf @ yuugi's current card on the livestream
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One more character on my hate list >_>
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master spark
confirmed
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Improved Marisa IN Last Word
confirmed
Fixed.
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Meanwhile, on the live stream:
UBERSUIKA
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Yeah, I mentioned her a long time ago! And people in /jp/ still asking :P
this image was posted ages ago! (http://jan.2chan.net/may/40/src/1268537805912.jpg)
In case you haven't noticed... Marisa's at the bottom of that Sanae pic, there. Not Aya. It's like... taking pictures of a battle that happened. Which definitely sounds like what Hecate does, from what we know of her. And then that weird thing is there, which may be Hecate...?
I think this is from the Spoiler Level. Or Hecate Level, if that's actually a stage and not an ending.
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Whoa, I never noticed the stuff at the bottom...
I think it's just a shopped pic from SA Extra ^^;
As a matter of fact, I'm positive.
Carry on :V
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Dammit. THAT SECOND NON-SPELL =/
(that ... thing next to Marisa reminded me of ESP Ra.De. tbh >_>)
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Whoa, I never noticed the stuff at the bottom...
I think it's just a shopped pic from SA Extra ^^;
I was about to say that... I was looked at it really hard, and noticed a crap ton of graphical errors in it.
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BETTING ON THE NEW CHARACTER HAVING RED HAIR
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It doesn't matter if the older picture of
Sanae
was shopped.
This one isn't. (http://feb.2chan.net/may/40/src/1268544791416.jpg)
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I wonder where Kinema-Kan and all the PVs went in this hype?
Ohgod I'm so excited. :ohdear:
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Why am I even on the internet at this point. I already had
the new tengu girl
spoiled for me by fucking DStyle, goddamn.
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Hey, hey, is this some
Yuka
?
http://jan.2chan.net/may/40/src/1268546570109.jpg (http://jan.2chan.net/may/40/src/1268546570109.jpg)
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I think it's been
double spoiled down there in TARC :<
What does the game say after "Shoot" ? The character name ?
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Why am I even on the internet at this point. I already had the new tengu girl
spoiled for me by fucking DStyle, goddamn.
You saw this coming, you should have taken a vacation from the communities for two weeks like E-Mouse did with UFO. It... kinda worked out for him. Totally.
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Why am I even on the internet at this point. I already had the new tengu girl
spoiled for me by fucking DStyle, goddamn.
Also, everything we know at the moment points to unlocking her as playable character after you clear all scenes in "Spoiler" Level, which is the second Extra. According to ZUN's afterword, she also plays differently.
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Hey, hey, is this some Yuka
?
http://jan.2chan.net/may/40/src/1268546570109.jpg (http://jan.2chan.net/may/40/src/1268546570109.jpg)
Wh-wh-wh-wh-wh-WHAAAAAAT~!? Oh god, if that's not a fake... EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH~<3!
/me fangasms to death~
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lolalreadyposted. still that better not be a fake
-
Hey, hey, is this some Yuka
?
http://jan.2chan.net/may/40/src/1268546570109.jpg (http://jan.2chan.net/may/40/src/1268546570109.jpg)
!?
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Am I the only one that thinks that looks REALLY shopped?
-
Hey, hey, is this some Yuka
?
http://jan.2chan.net/may/40/src/1268546570109.jpg (http://jan.2chan.net/may/40/src/1268546570109.jpg)
This looks a lot like a shop. The backround looks like a single photo layer thing, which is pretty simple compared to ZUN's other backrounds; the bullets are really weird, and in the top right, some of them seem to be fading. The top left doesn't even HAVE the bullets from the top right. And Yuka's sprite isn't right at all.
-
Am I the only one that thinks that looks REALLY shopped?
Nope. Looks like a pc98 sprite.
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If it is, it's nowhere near as bad as the one with
Sanae
in it.
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The shitty danmakufu-quality bullets were kinda a dead giveaway.
Okay, the hype-machine has finally gotten to me, I kinda want this really bad now.
-
Yuuka and Mima need more official pairings.
*Is shot*
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It seems like all the jp trolls our out of the livestream and now it's filled with DoujinSers :V
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It seems like all the jp trolls our out of the livestream and now it's filled with DoujinSers :V
"Hotate is scallop. we like it"
(lol engrish)
"Hungry Tiger wwwwwwwwwww"
"ZUNGLISH"
"ZUUUUUUUUUUUUUN"
"ZUNGLISH wwwwwwwwwwww"
and then people being all like "gtfo >:I" in english and japanese at koreans.
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It seems like all the jp trolls our out of the livestream and now it's filled with DoujinSers :V
Ooh, ooh, are they all screaming WHERE'S THE DOWNLOAD? :V
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Ooh, ooh, are they all screaming WHERE'S THE DOWNLOAD? :V
Yes
Yes they are
-
They are the embodiment of everything wrong with the WTC :V
-
Internet Trading Center BV
DAMN.
THE LIVESTREAM.
NOT ANOTHER PHLOGISTIC RAIN PLEASE.
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[NSFW]http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/996/1268546955142.jpg[/NSFW]
Mokou fans were crushed.
-
They are the embodiment of everything wrong with the WTC :V
That reminds me, why is everyone so concerned about what the Japanese Touhou fandom thinks of the Western fandom? I'm just confused here, it doesn't seem like it'd really affect anything...:/
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What's this livestream you guys are mentioning?
-
Wait what
Someone just said "Suikama GTFO" on the stream
>_>
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That reminds me, why is everyone so concerned about what the Japanese Touhou fandom thinks of the Western fandom? I'm just confused here, it doesn't seem like it'd really affect anything...:/
I guess its like impressing your older brother or something.
-
even her noncard...
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Wait what
Someone just said "Suikama GTFO" on the stream
>_>
:V
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Got my hands on the game. The interface is very very smooth.
-
What stream?
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NEW GIRL IS HERE
Also, cellphone camera.
-
Pic for proof:
[nsfw]http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll65/momijitsukuyomi/1268549942250.jpg[/nsfw]
:*
(totally sfw btw, this is just so people don't get spoiled)
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So, when can we expect the game to be in stores, or available for order online? Anyone know?
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GODDAMNIT YOU GUYS BEAT ME TO IT DIE DIE DIE ;_;
inb4 fanarts
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FIRST FANART Y/N
http://i40.tinypic.com/301oug6.jpg (http://i40.tinypic.com/301oug6.jpg)
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Y
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One point to the west!
Also, new girl is SO PURPLE, I LOVE IT
Edit: Ok, I put her description on the wiki, now someone uplode her image
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FIRST FANART Y/N
http://i40.tinypic.com/301oug6.jpg (http://i40.tinypic.com/301oug6.jpg)
Quick as always, Teacher~
And I'm happy she really has twintails. Long and thin ones, too.
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FIRST FANART Y/N
http://i40.tinypic.com/301oug6.jpg (http://i40.tinypic.com/301oug6.jpg)
ur welcome
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Liking every bit of it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=759Zl474PFY)
From what I've seen here ... Longer shot time and slower charge time ?
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You can play locked tracks by selecting them twice.
(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2630/musicgp.jpg)
*facepalms*
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You can play locked tracks by selecting them twice.
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2630/musicgp.jpg
*facepalms*
well at least now we wont have to play through the whole thing to find it all :V
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PEERLESS WIND GOD
CONFIRMED
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA oh god. ;_;
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God damn I want to
stab Hatate in the eye with a fork or something. What a hideous personality her design portrays.
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You can play locked tracks by selecting them twice.
*facepalms*
Just in case you didn't know, that worked for all other Touhou games as well :V
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God damn I want to stab Hatate in the eye with a fork or something. What a hideous personality her design portrays.
Trendy cunt who embodys all the negative traits of fanon Aya and those mean grls who made fun of you in highschool?
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Just in case you didn't know, that worked for all other Touhou games as well :V
... No I didn't.
*DOUBLE FACEPALM*
(those score.dat were too convenient >_>)
It's hard as hell to take a photo right after I let go of charge :/ ... And the whole X button and camera angles are confusing.
EDIT : I'm really impressed at the game's size after installation. More stuff than StB and equally as large.
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Stage 3-4, man. Ugh.
Anyway, I got stage 5 and 6 unlocked, but haven't captured any yet. 25 captures is my limit for 4 in the morning :V
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I welcome our
new tengu
to Gensokyo.
God I am so happy. This game is awesome.
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Is there a way to get all the spell card names in text format ?
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This game isn't too fond of Win7 that it goes into Win7 Basic.
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Coming back from a really deep place just to post
HELL YES
MYSTERIOUS
MOUNTAIN
I'll be the first one to say that I like Hatate's appearance.
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This game isn't too fond of Win7 that it goes into Win7 Basic.
Not like it hurts anything. :V
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My sister wanted to cosplay Aya before, but I'm fairly sure she'll change her mind when she sees our new friend. It's her favorite color and everything!
I'll play around with this tomorrow. I'm already gonna lose sleep...
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soundtrack is kinda ehh
but that's just my first impression. i thought Cosmic Mind was ehh too in the beginning.
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Yeah the ones that play in Aki Sisters and
Shou/Nazrin
's stages are pretty ehh.
And they haven't sounded any better since I first heard them >_>
How long does it take for the wiki to update the spell cards section ?
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Seriously, +10 pages after I went to bed. God damn it :V You people and your time zones. That is the only thing that is good about your time zones XD
Edit: skimmed through most pages and I love the screens and characters already. Looking forward in writing something good about this. Please wait warmly.
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Because people have problems with Stage 3-4. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBZHTPeRctI)
(Forgive slowdown)
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I am instantly reminded of Neru Akita thanks to this double spoiler.
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Captured everything up to Stage 7. Enough for tonight. 3-4 was a bitch.
Overall, the game seems a bit easier than StB so far. Maybe it's because Aya can TATE her camera in this one; I don't know. Or maybe the very difficult scenes are later.
Because people have problems with Stage 3-4. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBZHTPeRctI)
(Forgive slowdown)
Holy shit, I can't believe I did it the hard way. >:(
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That's 50 scenes left isn't it ? Hope ZUN didn't lie to us this time >_>
(though he probably didn't. 3-4 owned everyone :V)
Aya can TATE her camera in this one
Hahaha.
EDIT : ... Okay ZUN, where the hell is my score.dat ?
EDIT AGAIN : Found it. Also discovered that my PC was infected with the virus that disables "Show hidden files/folders". That entire AppData folder is hidden :V
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Oh hey, this out already?
Sweet!
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This was on IRC discussed. People who are complaining about being unable to find their replay folder on Vista or Win7 ->
Make sure Hidden folders are visible. C: -> Users -> Your account -> AppData -> Roaming -> Shanghai Alice.
To show folders (if you are not charismatic) Control panel -> Folder options -> View tab -> Show hidden folders.
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I cannot find the snapshots with the Home button though. Neither in the Appdata or original folder >.< Any body has a clue?
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DST ---> Daylight Savings Time ----> Double Spoiler Time
Coincidence? I think not.
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Thank god we got
mysterious mountain
instead of wind overated girl
. I definitely wouldn't feel motivated to play just to end up hearing that in the end :V
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UNZAN IS SWEATING LAZERS AT ME!!!
FUCK GIANT SUIKA!!!
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http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv12651929
For those with nico accounts, you can see a player attempt the game with ZUN laughing beside him, live.
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I just tried to get into the link you posted and got treated to a nice boat, did they cut the stream?
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WHOA ! It's have to be one of the funniest game I have ever played, It's just too fun ! (and the music of the first stages is cool)
3-2 SURPRISED ME !
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I just tried to get into the game and got treated to a nice boat, did they cut the stream?
It's probably full, retry a couple of times. There are like 174,000 watching the stream live right now.
Oh, they just ended the DS segment.
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I think I've hit a brick wall with Kanako and Suwako for now.
Infinite Nightmare sounds so creepy.. its like mocking me for sucking :ohdear:
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It's probably full, retry a couple of times. There are like 174,000 watching the stream live right now.
Oh, they just ended the DS segment.
Oh well, sounded like it might have been fun to watch. Any idea if they'll restart it?
I remember earlier watching a different stream of someone playing DS. There's some really
hard looking ones when he hit stage 9 and 10.
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Oh well, sounded like it might have been fun to watch. Any idea if they'll restart it?
I remember earlier watching a different stream of someone playing DS. There's some really
hard looking ones when he hit stage 9 and 10.
They've moved on to another segment where people are submitting their art for ZUN to comment on, and the programme doesn't look like they'll be restarting it, sorry =\ (I was hoping ZUN would play the game live too...)
Choice quotes from ZUN:
"Everything is easy mode all the way up to level 3, nfufu" (when the player was being pwned by stage 2)
"Oh this is only level 2, hahaha" (same)
and other derisive comments.
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I hope they upload that livestream, I want to see it. :V
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Seamless Ceiling
confirmed.
Captured it already. 8)
Still looking for the replay folder, though, because I saved it on slot 25 and it only shows up to 20 on the menu. Couldn't find the folders Helepolis mentioned either.
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http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv12651929
For those with premium nico accounts, you can see a player attempt the game with ZUN laughing beside him, live.
Fixed =(|
?12:21:51? <Acidus> It's for premium members only
?12:21:51? <Helepolis> lol Cindarella cage now
?12:22:02? <Helepolis> FFFFFFFFF
?12:22:41? <Hatatempest> ARGH
?12:22:46? <Hatatempest> dammit Nicovideo
Seamless Ceiling
confirmed.
Captured it already. 8)
Still looking for the replay folder, though, because I saved it on slot 25 and it only shows up to 20 on the menu. Couldn't find the folders Helepolis mentioned either.
Did you un-hide the folders?
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Did you un-hide the folders?
Of course.
edit: oh wait I'm using XP. Didn't notice your post was regarding Vista/Win7.
edit again: found it.
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Of course.
orz
Windows 7 or Vista ? UAC on/off ?
edit: oh wait I'm using XP. Didn't notice your post was regarding Vista/Win7.
edit again: found it.
RED THE NIGHTLESS CASTLE
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2v8hml2.jpg)
Reading sometimes seems difficult :V
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Fixed =(|
?12:21:51? <Acidus> It's for premium members only
?12:21:51? <Helepolis> lol Cindarella cage now
?12:22:02? <Helepolis> FFFFFFFFF
?12:22:41? <Hatatempest> ARGH
?12:22:46? <Hatatempest> dammit Nicovideo
Hey I'm just a normal member :V
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We are as well , but the streaming stops after a minute or two and shows a button in the center which leads to "Get premium" page.
Edit: In fact, when I click on your link now. It shows a cruise ship. =S ?
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cruise ship
Nice boat
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This is working just fine to me
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Strange, now I can watch longer. This makes 0 sense.
Also thread is saging soon, but I assume we don't need to lock it at 1000 posts any more right :V
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That nice boat video shows when the room is full (There are like 343,000 people now), and they've been slowly adding more space, so that explains it. :V
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Edit: They just celebrated his birthday early it seems.
Man talk about getting all the attention:
- Touhou only event
- Tons of fans
- And your birthday (early)
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AHHH It just ended, I just missed it. D:D:D:
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And the man nonchalantly drinks beer while the whole place (and niconico) sings happy birthday to him, the charisma!
(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/994/zunbday.png)
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At some part they were talking about each of the guests favourite #1 Anime show. And ZUN supposing answered: Hotoko no Ken. If anybody caught that part exactly who can confirm this?
Neverless, it ended yea with a full moon showing :V (Ex-Keine (ry)
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I didn't catch that, but he said Pretty Cure was interesting. By the way, the question was "what kind of anime have you watched recently?" as a follow up to "how much of a otaku are you game developers?".
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I hope they will upload the whole thing again if they recorded it.
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Thank god we got mysterious mountain
instead of wind overated girl
. I definitely wouldn't feel motivated to play just to end up hearing that in the end :V
die in a fire kthx
Also, I kind of regret not buying the game but I did not see that coming. Man.
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Hey Forza, do you know how much the game will cost once you're able to get it?
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Haven't read the thread for the sake of avoiding spoilers, but I feel the urge to vent and say that 9-1 is an absolute piece of shit. Took about as many tries to clear as levels 1 through 8 put together.
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Good for you, I can't even do a scene from Level 8.
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I can barely do any spell card in stage 5.
And Baked Yam "Sweet Potato Room" is the best name on a spell card ever.
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5-7. What the fuck.
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So, if memory serves, someone started the UFO English Patch thread pretty much the same day the game was released. Would it be too soon to start one now for Double Spoiler?
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5-7. What the fuck.
5-7 : It's easy, just be in the middle of the screen and go over the brofist that have already fallen
5-6 : That's perverted
5-8 : That's bullshit
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5-7. What the fuck.
Go above the fists. Try to take out the one that's aimed at you (first one that appears).
5-8 is absolute bullshit. Am I supposed to lure her close to the ankaa and photo everything at once ?
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Oh my god WHAT AHAHAHA
12-8, Nue has PLAYSTATION DANMAKU. Blue X shapes, green triangles, red circles, purple squares. SERIOUSLY.
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Ahahaha I just noticed that
Taking pictures of Orin in cat form gives you a "Cat Bonus" (+666) XD
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(+666)
Huh, interesting choice of a number.
Do I wish to know if it has any signifigance...probably not.
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What's this I don't even. (http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/3561/thingsa.png)
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What's this I don't even. (http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/3561/thingsa.png)
Suika is great !
also, This is P.E.R.V.E.R.T (http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1827/murasafuck.png)
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Exactly how Yukari used her power :V
(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/6066/35693750.jpg)
No I'm not trying to copy what Baity did with RTG :V
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Oh my god WHAT AHAHAHA
12-8, Nue has PLAYSTATION DANMAKU. Blue X shapes, green triangles, red circles, purple squares. SERIOUSLY.
screenshots :V
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It does have some significance if you're religious.
666 is considered the mark of the beast in Christianity. I don't remember the story behind it, but it signifies evil.
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No I'm not trying to copy what Baity did with RTG :V
I did that too by accident 8D
Why are the first two Orin
cards so easy? The first attack was really weird, I'd only ever screw it up during the final two photos because it got so dense, but other than that I'd never get hit. The first actual card from her, well, I'll upload a video of it because it's really really easy once you figure it out.
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screenshots :V
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/Sapzdude/PlaystationNue.jpg?t=1268580861
Don't click to anyone who doesn't want it spoiled. :V
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the filename is already a spoiler :V
also aren't the playstation symbols copyrighted?
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I don't think the square, circle, triangle and plus sign have been copyrighted, no.
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Copyright infringement or not, that's pretty fucking great. ZUN, you troll.
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Satori gets
Perfect Maid revamp, and Seamless Ceiling.
I fell off my chair when I saw that second one, there.
Now for level 10.
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8-3 video. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to beat this after realising how simple it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vpi5Jch0LE
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I've been playing for an hour, it's pretty good.
Though I'm on stage 5 and, surprisingly, all the scenes run fine for me. I don't get it, this game seems to have way more shiny/glowy effects than UFO, yet I'm not getting any slowdown at all. Just one more reason that UFO sucks ass. :V
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I've been playing for an hour, it's pretty good.
Though I'm on stage 5 and, surprisingly, all the scenes run fine for me. I don't get it, this game seems to have way more shiny/glowy effects than UFO, yet I'm not getting any slowdown at all. Just one more reason that UFO sucks ass. :V
Try putting it to 1/2 or 1/3 frames on UFO. Things won't be quite as smooth but the slowdown should go away.
Also if you think that's confusing, the farther back I go in Touhou games, the worse they run on my computer. 10 onwards is more or less fine, but anything before that...
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What am I even expected to do on the second phase of 9-1?
It's a damn wall and I can't clear it either before the second wave comes. ???
EDIT:
nevermind, I think I got it.
You just have to be VERY fast.
Also LFO with KNIVES, God help us all.
I've been playing for an hour, it's pretty good.
Though I'm on stage 5 and, surprisingly, all the scenes run fine for me. I don't get it, this game seems to have way more shiny/glowy effects than UFO, yet I'm not getting any slowdown at all. Just one more reason that UFO sucks ass. :V
Yeah, I played for an hour an a half and I was already on 7-2 lol.
Although the later stages are taking way longer.
And what slowdown? :/
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8-3 video. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to beat this after realising how simple it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vpi5Jch0LE
Woah, Thanks, it's a great help... how I wasn't able to figure it out.
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Unlocked Hatate, woo~
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6-4 and the game crashed
lol
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That's what you get for being an insufferable troll.
(I keed, I keed.)
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Oh my god I love 9-3 so hard.
It's so much fun 8D
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lol stage 6 is pure memorization
gotta give zun some credit for improving the movement though, feels better than the rest of the series
touhou 13 will be awesome unless he really screws up
That's what you get for being an insufferable troll.
(I keed, I keed.)
But you still love me, right? :V
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Still unable to solve why 12.5 is not storing screenshots with the Home button. They are simply not created. Not anywhere on the system. =.=
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Hmm...this is what I get for sleeping in on this.
Let's do this!
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Still unable to solve why 12.5 is not storing screenshots with the Home button. They are simply not created. Not anywhere on the system. =.=
You could use print-screen and paste into a image?
Anyway, seen all the scenes up through Level 12 now. Time to capture 5 more so I can get Extra~
Also, 12-8... NUE RAINS PLAYSTATION BUTTONS FROM THE SKY, YEEEEAAAH
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Totally unable to figure out what to do for 9-1 past the third photo. Anyone know how to do it? :V
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But you still love me, right? :V
Ask me again when I've had a chance to sleep.
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Totally unable to figure out what to do for 9-1 past the third photo. Anyone know how to do it? :V
Figured this out a minute ago:
Supercharge and clear the first halve of the wave, then supercharge, rush to Satori
and quickly take a picture.
Repeat.
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I cannot figure out ANY cards of Level 9. I mean, what the hell, moving out from the picture, and the other cards, especially 9-2.
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I cannot figure out ANY cards of Level 9. I mean, what the hell, moving out from the picture, and the other cards, especially 9-2.
Here's 9-3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAvpehyLP8), which is awesome fun.
9-7 took me only four tries, amazingly.
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I cannot figure out ANY cards of Level 9. I mean, what the hell, moving out from the picture, and the other cards, especially 9-2.
9-2 took me a while as well. It's all about charging at the right time, circling at the right place and taking a picture when Koishi
fires that ring of hearts.
Oh my god I love 9-3 so hard.
It's so much fun 8D
(http://i40.tinypic.com/14ih7cg.png)
Me too! :V
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I cannot figure out ANY cards of Level 9. I mean, what the hell, moving out from the picture, and the other cards, especially 9-2.
For 9-5, set the camera to vertical orientation (hit X once). This will help a LOT. Now, you have to get close to Satori, and just take the picture instantly; no zooming at all. The photo should take before she gets out of range, and voila~
For 9-6 and 9-7, they aren't too hard, but involve a certain degree of luck. Especially 9-7. Thank god it's only 3 photos. Goddamn seamless ceiling.
Also, I LOVE 11-6. Fastest speed dodging everywhere, funfun~ And capped 12-8.
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9-3 IS THE FUNNIEST CARD EVER!!
Btw WHAT THE HELL Reimu
IS TROWING AT ME AT EX-1?!
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6-3
???
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More awesome:
Stage TROLLING: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjPHWq3qFCw
Stage 10-1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlztcoN95xQ
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Btw WHAT THE HELL Reimu
IS TROWING AT ME AT EX-1?!
Okay, I just unlocked EX so now to try it ou-
LOL
LOL
WHAT THE HELL, ZUN
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Yay Level 10...
WHAT
THE
FUCK
But it seems from the above video that 10-1 is not that hard.
Also, there's a vertical orientation? Huh.
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Double Spoiler is out now, and I no longer have the motivation to get it!? :O MUST GET NOW
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Okay, I just unlocked EX so now to try it ou-
LOL
LOL
WHAT THE HELL, ZUN
OH LIKE I GOT A SCREEN SHOT OF IT
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8118/wtfffff.png
CAN SOMEONE FOR GOD'S SAKE PLEASE TRANSLATE IT?!
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Yay Level 10...
WHAT
THE
FUCK
But it seems from the above video that 10-1 is not that hard.
Also, there's a vertical orientation? Huh.
Hit X to switch.
10-1 is a beast. It took me no small number of tries, but I eventually managed it.
Have an 11-4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkuidWw4Ohs
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Marisa is not the icon, this game is dead to me.
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Holy shit particle effects EVERYWHERE EVERYTHING IS SO SHINYAAAALLLWAYYYSSSSSSSSSS
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10-1 is a beast. It took me no small number of tries, but I eventually managed it.
It is, goddammit, I can't do it. Or any of Level 10. I mean, Level 9 is impossible too, but Level 10??? SHIT.
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Probably one of the first westerners to have unlock and played all the scenes before Extra. Accomplishment, etc.
Also vertical is a godsend.
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Is this game really harder than StB?
Well even if it's not I'm not complaining 8)
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I don't think it's harder to -complete-, because the requirements are much laxer.
But some of these scenes are ASS.
I am at 301 attempts at 12-4. To put this in perspective, 90% of these have reached the second-to-last shot or the last one.
Sigh. Fuck, I need to sleep. EX can wait until tomorrow... I guess...
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Can you still download score.dat from others?
I don't feel like going through the st8 crap
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OH LIKE I GOT A SCREEN SHOT OF IT
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/8118/wtfffff.png
CAN SOMEONE FOR GOD'S SAKE PLEASE TRANSLATE IT?!
It's Reimu going "I don't consent to being published" or something.
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... I just fired up 9-6 from StB and took it in like 10 tries.
Eatin my words right here lmao. ZUN is a diabolical mastermind.
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How do you change the game's graphics to 36(something) bit to 16(something) bit? Custom doesnt work.
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Huh? 10-1 is not very hard. It took me 23 pictures. ???
After the first shot, stand next to her and when she begins the rumbling, go under her and take a shot.
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The Spoiler Level is... different.
It's a fun change of pace and the theme is awesome, though!
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You have to run Custom.exe in compatability mode (I used Windows 95)
Is anyone else having a bug with suddenly dying inexplicably during 12-6? I mean literally. I die the exact same time into the stage every damn time I try it, it seems - just randomly. There isn't a bullet there or anything - unless I -just- selected it.
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So anyone who has seen all the stages...which scenes are just like 9-6 in StB?(no gimmicks, fast dodging)
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Give 9-7 a try :V
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first I got to do 8-1 and 8-2 which seem fairly simple(except that I always screw up for no reason)
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Huh? 10-1 is not very hard. It took me 23 pictures. ???
After the first shot, stand next to her and when she begins the rumbling, go under her and take a shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlztcoN95xQ This is how I took it on. Took me 64 attempts.
Seriously, though, which stage should I am to clear for 12? I... I just... I can't get even close to clearing any of them...
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So anyone who has seen all the stages...which scenes are just like 9-6 in StB?(no gimmicks, fast dodging)
9-7 :V darn got beaten to this
11-6 and 12-8 fit that pretty well, though.
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You could use print-screen and paste into a image?
Did anyone ever told you you are smart?
Seriously now, if you got nothing useful to add might as well skip it.
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Okay, yeah, glitch detected.
During 12-6 you will just randomly die. Seriously. I don't even know what the fuck's going on. But as you can see here, there is very clearly NOTHING hitting me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn4XcOrQgjg
It's worth noting: I haven't seen this happen on a first attempt at the card after picking it from a menu, but once it does start to happen, it ALWAYS happens on every attempt following, usually very quickly, like seen here.
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Another glitch. If you beat Spoiler 4 before clearing 1~3, and you select "Next Scene", the game messes up. It basically sends you into the (still locked) Spoiler 5, except you
aren't playing Hatate like you're supposed to be.
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Spoiler levels are :*
ZUN needs to make a third StB so we can have a full hundred scenes of it
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A lot of these look like they'll be fun to try to time out after clearing them. Anyway, still haven't had a chance to play.
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So, then it wasn't me who was that bad to die always at that point in 12-6.
Also, PLAYSTATION MOTHERFUCKER!
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Continue discussion here: http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=5340.0