This dream is hateful. Seriously. FWIW, I am ignoring any game-related PMs sent to me, so don't bother.
Quote from: AffinityBut D2 Zakeri is bad. First of all, he suddenly drops his
Pants?
Zakeri, you rogue!
namely, Rou's overblown brawling with the guyWhen he's sitting there insulting me while he brushes off my case, I think I have a right to be more than slightly irritated.
Meanwhile, Rou bought into the Affinity lynch himself based on Edible's case, promptly scooted through each mention they made of each other and highlighted them as if they were all awful, and stuck to him like glue the rest of the day. Looks like he decided to jump to an okay-looking case and throw in whatever random evidence he could find.I'll repeat the statement I made earlier - when I have two people I suspect roughly equally, unless I get a reason to change my mind I choose one and run with it so I don't confuse myself and break down. In this case it was choosing between Serp, Zak and Affinity, and I tentatively cleared Zak for being just too insane and Serp for insisting on the triplynch on D1. Affinity's claim seemed far too convenient, especially when he tracked the dead guy.
Serp's switch to Sodium was late, and only at a time when it became clear that nobody was buying into an Affinity lynch. Ugly.This when your vote change was less than 90 seconds earlier, (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=408.msg15679#msg15679) when it was clear the Edible case wasn't happening?
Regarding myself, Roukanken said everything I could have on the matter.I should have picked up on this earlier. Using me as his defense doesn't look good. Still, the fact that he was fine with Pesco's lynch D1 when he could have insisted on giving the GF another day to live means he still has some credit in my book.
Personally, on the self vote, I've learned from previous, recent games that nothing screwed the town over faster than self voting. Oddly enough, we can't seem to go a single game without someone self voting. At this point, there are only two things I see being true: Beilos is Scum trying to WiFoM the town into not voting for him, or Beilos is trying to pull off a fongs gambit, in which he deserves to be voted for anyway.Even for Early Day OneTM, this is weak. It's basically a policy vote.
##Unvote, ##Vote: BaliySM
Europe's horrible affront to musicBut I like The Final Countdown. Well, not the music video so much, but you get the idea :P
I'll admit, I wasn't there until after Pesco was lynched, but It seems more than a few people are disputing the idea that Pesco has changed.It's a backtrack, but I'm not sure what alignment to place this under.
In any case, thanks to multi-track lynching, I have nothing against the votes on Pesco.
Anyone making statements to the effect of 'xyz is clearly town' has themselves clearly not played any game at all, ever, where scum has won.I disagree.
I don't think it's far-fetched. If we find a reasonably plausible scenario that links two or three players as scum, I say we try to lynch them all. Going after several unrelated suspected scum gives us the advantage that we clean up several leads at once, but going after a group of apparently coherent scum makes it a lot harder for any of them to escape a lynching, in case our suspicions are correct. I favor the latter.No, this is a terrible strategy. It's a way to chain an entire segment of the game into lynches based on a premises that are unsubstantiated at best (D1).
Uh, damn. Do I really need to respond to this? You really aren't helping your case, Baity. Even aside from the fact that looking too scummy to lynch is a stupid tactic from a selfish perspective, you also end up screwing with the town and forcing them to spend half a day trying to figure out what the hell you're trying to do. If you're actually town, you've basically made a gigantic diversion of yourself for the scum to hide behind.This bothers me, most notably the preface. In complaining that people are going to pile on to BaitySM-Town, Serpentarius... does just that. The last sentence is pretty funny too, considering Pesco did just that in the next post.
Your scumhunting is your own business, especially this early in the game.Does this read to anyone like a fancy way of saying "Lay off"?
Now I'm pressing Kanguya.Wait, you don't mean this.
As for who else looks scummy right now, I'm tired of Kanguya Yaraisan humping my leg. Only the scum know who's definitely townie, and objectively speaking, I don't see how I've done anything to warrant that kind of trust.Two lines of explanation counts as pressing...? Compared to your walls o' text in defense, this is pretty obviously lackluster.
Serp - pro-town
I'm seeing quite a bit of determined scum hunting. as long as this keeps up, Serp is cleared for me.
What has Serp done that you would feel has been wrong?Yet you said he was fine.
You don't have a reason to suspect [Pesco], but you don't have a reason to trust him. Whatever happened to Innocent Until Proven Guilty, ye of the Shikieiki avatar?I'm pretty sure Innocent Until Proven Guilty doesn't apply in Mafia. At all.
I'm not feeling so generous towards Mr_Alert. His last post was 22 hours ago, was lacking in content, and was only made due to Roukanken's prodding. He still has his random vote from the beginning of the game on me. Am I the only one who thinks this is a bad thing?
My top three preferred lynches right now are as follow: BaitySM, Kanguya Yaraisan, Mr_Alert. Incidentally, since we all seem to agree that anything more than a triple lynch is certainly a bad idea, this doesn't leave any room for poor Pesco47. Roukanken, if you're still convinced that Pesco47 is worse than the guy who still has his random vote from the beginning of the game, the guy who was humping my leg on horrible reasoning 'till just recently, and freakin' BaitySM, I think we may have reached the point where I'll actively discourage your tunneling. We need to settle on our lynches soon.
I don't see why the main point against Serp (not getting involved with Rou and Pesco's arguement) makes him scum rather than lazy town - and that's ignoring his prods of Beilos and Affinity.Is Zakeri trying to tie himself to Serpentarius? This is something like the third time Zakeri has made an obvious call of innocent on Serpentarius.
UK's case on Gensokyo Blender is really nice, but it's worrisome because it contains mostly "KY is acting like KY Always does, and that's no good." I'm not a big fan of clearing people just because it's their meta to play badly (for whatever reason), but at the same time, there really isn't an actual scumtell to work with in the whole case. I'm alright with the lynch, but I wouldn't vote for it.I thought when this was posted that UK pulled out the meta attack here, but evidently not. I'm not really sure what to make of this considering KY flipped Town.
Zakeri, KY has some convincing scumtells against him. His following of a popular townie at the time, myself, looks pretty bad. It's an instinct for newbie scum to attach themselves to a townie, loudly proclaiming "This person is definitely town," 'cause of course the scum know who's town and who's not. You shouldn't need me to tell you this.The paternalistic tone here reminds me somewhat of me-scum playing with Juls-scum.
And now it's time for my least-favourite activity in the world: trying to figure out which of you are scum, and which of you are merely scummy townies. I really wish I had an unlimited dayvig right about now.Are you my alt? Seriously.
@Whoever: I'm not exactly giving BaitySM a free pass. Just that his behaviour is perplexing enough that it wouldn't necessarily warrant an immediate lynch. However, due to today, I am perfectly comfortable with, and even endorse the BaitySM lynch, especially after his horrible post of "I'm going to be a distraction to Town in order to not get lynched yay!".
Basically at this point I want BaitySM to be lynched.wait what
So yeah, I'm fine with Mr_Alert as a third lynch if he won't even show up to unvote Serpentarius or at least justify his vote on him beyond reasons only sufficient to justify a random vote.See what I said to Serpentarius.
Okay, this has been bugging me for a bit, and I think Rou's post points out why. Do you believe targeting someone who is inactive day one is more important enough to try and measure everyone's vote so we can get an extra lynch for it? I'm all for Alert hate, but I think this is wavering into "Free Mislynch" territory.
Baity. Claim.Since he advocated Pesco's lynch, I'm not sure what this is.
Pesco. Die.
Rou's probably not with Pesco.
More at 11.
You guys are awfully quick to jump on me, given there are much better targets for inactivity this game. :V I wonder who started that trend.This looks REALLY bad ("Don't lynch me; there are worse noncontributors out there!"). I can see why you were considered a wanted lynch yesterday.
Also, Pesco is town. Mark my words. I'm still doing analysis, but a surprising amount of my analysis is how Roukanken is using craplogic to get Pesco angry at him. Alice's vote is also very suspicious because of it.Oh, THIS is what everyone was talking about yesterday.
You guys post too much walls and bullshit and not enough content. Half of the arguing today has been about scumhunting playstyle and a pointless player vs. player spat, which ultimately does nothing to actually help find scum.You ARE my alt.
Vote: UmuNext time remember to put the ## or I might not count your vote.
Using me as his defense doesn't look good.
As for Serp, I'll acknowledge that yeah, he could have just felt obliged to make sure a lynch happens. But being on Affinity late after trackerclaim is bad enough (particularly after I pointed out the silliness of lynching him). I'm not sure if he just wasn't around offhand. In any case some insight from him into his lateday actions would be appreciated.
To save space, I really don't like the stance he took on Rou vs. Pesco - namely that they're both suspicious, but not one more than the other and it's someone else's job to find something he can pile onto if they thought enough of it.
This bothers me, most notably the preface. In complaining that people are going to pile on to BaitySM-Town, Serpentarius... does just that. The last sentence is pretty funny too, considering Pesco did just that in the next post.
Does this read to anyone like a fancy way of saying "Lay off"?
Two lines of explanation counts as pressing...? Compared to your walls o' text in defense, this is pretty obviously lackluster.
Incidentally, Zakeri said basically the same thing, albeit without the excessive praise.
All signs point to Serpentarius being scum. Let's end this.
His 133 is somewhat hypocritical from what I can tell:Telling Serp that he's just saying that Roukan and Pesco are stupid and not taking a stance while stating in the same post that he's saying that Roukan and Pesco are being overbearing... and he doesn't really take a stance.notice at the end he finishes the post with "I gerenally think he's town" even though the rest of the analysis on Carthrat was null tells as far as I can tell.
The paternalistic tone here reminds me somewhat of me-scum playing with Juls-scum.Who the hell is Juls? And why do you assume that Serp plays scum the same way you play scum?
Are you my alt? Seriously.
You ARE my alt.These are practically the only points Umu makes on Alice, and their main purpose seems to be to link the two together. Considering Alice is probably the closest thing we have to a confirmed Townie, this seems like an effort to earn free Town cred.
I.. dunno, Rou. Some of the stuff you have against uu seems to be presentation shit. Jumping on a turn of phrase (re: 'all the signs') seems a bit off.It just irritates me that he declares Serp to be obvscum when he hasn't even analysed any of D2 yet.
u?, were you a goon?Only while I kill someone. Otherwise I'm a Role Cop.
Zakeri, playing Madotsuki, Self-aligned Dreamphase SK, couldn't get rid of all those pesky dream figments and lost, along with the lynched scum.
1. You are Madotsuki, the hikkikomori girl who is dreaming all this weird stuff. It used to be pretty fun, but now all these dream figments are acting like they own the place, so it's time you show them who's the boss. Luckily, you have a knife and deep-seated psychological issues.
You are a Self-aligned Dreamphase Serial Killer. Once per Dream Phase, you can instantly kill another player by declaring the commands ##Knife or ##Stab in the game thread. You cannot kill during Waking Phase, due to simply not being in the dreamworld then. For this same reaso, you are immune to any Night Action, including Night Kills. Any player targeting you will be informed that their actions failed because you were nowhere to be found. You also cannot post in the thread during Waking (Night) Phase if you are still in the game.
Your winning condition is to be the last player alive. You lose if you are killed or if either Town or Scum achieve their winning conditions before your.
2. You are Monoe, an apparently normal girl who lives in a dark room and mess with the heads of everyone who glimpses at you. You got particularly effective at thwarting others after you distracted that guy so he was run over by a car, and stole the Stoplight Effect from his dead body.
You are a Scum Roleblocker. By PM'ing the mods during the Waking (Night) Phase, you can use your Stoplight effect to freeze a player and prevent him from taking any action. You cannot use your effect and Kill in the same Waking Phase.
3. You are Nopperabou, the faceless ghost. You can assume the appearance of anyone, but your face is always a blank, so no one can really look into your eyes and glimpse your true self.
You are a Scum Godfather. If your aligment is investigated, it will return as Town-aligned.
Your scum partners are UK and Mr. Alert, you can PM or talk amongst yourselves only during the Pregame and Waking (Night) Phases.
You are Seccom Masada, the piano player from space (and Prof. Snape look-alike). Your twisted eyes give you a weird aspect, but they also allow you to see the twistedness in other's hearts.
You are a Town Cop. By PM'ing the mods during the Waking (Night) Phase, you can investigate a player to discover his/her true allegiance.
5. You are Poniko, the ponytailed blonde girl who lives all alone in a house in the dreamworld. You are just a helpless little girl, and if one of these bad guys attack you, there's nothing you can do to save yourself or punish them.
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UBOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
You are a Town-aligned Bomb. If you are killed by another player, you will turn into Uboa and drag him/her into an insane dimension for all eternity (or until they wake up), effectively killing the player. In case you are lynched this will also affect the player who casts the hammer vote.
6. You are Medamaude, the Hand with the Eye. Somewhat like a vampire loli from another doujin game, the whole world's "eye" lies in the palm of your hand, and you can shuffle the world around by simply closing your hand (though it's just as disorienting to you as to everyone else.)Pretty much a flavor role, it was not an ability particularly pro-town or pro-scum, though I figured the player might try to use it to confirm himself. I basically just wanted an excuse so that more Dreamworlds could be used. (Well, that didn't work, did it?)
Your are a Town-aligned Dreamscape Changer. At a max of 2 times during the game (but not in the same Dream Phase) you can change the present dreamscape by PM'ing the mods. The Dream Rules of the previous dreamscape will become invalid, and the new rules will take their place. Votecount will not reset. You cannot use this ability if there's less than 24 hours to the end of the Dream Phase.
12. You are Kyukyu-kun, the multicolored phallic-shaped blob who likes to rub railings in a disturbing way. Some say you represent parts of the uncounscious mind no one really wants to face. Well, you can't wait to MAKE them face you.
By delving into the darkest corners of a players psyche, you can find something about them, even if they don't want anyone to know. You are a Scum-aligned Rolecop. By PM'ing the mods during the Waking (Night) Phase, you can find about the role of a targeted player.
13. You are the Dwarf. People may judge you unimportant because of your size, but being unconspicuous has its advantages. It's pretty easy for you to follow a player undetected and see what he/she is up about during the Waking Phase.
You are a Town-aligned Tracker. By PM'ing the mods during the Waking (Night) Phase, you can find out if and who a player targeted.
The Affinity lynch wasn't much better. I was too paranoid after Alice's antics last game, followed by Carth saying 'hey why are we believing him?' And if what I've heard is true, my theory about there being a Cop was correct - but there was still a tracker. I hadn't considered the possibility that every Mafioso was roled.
{Note to Jan: In case I decide to use the Breadcrumber role, the player won't know he is one. But if he's NK'ed, the flavor text will contain a sequence of numbers with the name of his killer encoded. (I'm thinking of using ASCII values followed by ROT13 to decode it. Ex.: 67 82 70 80 66 -> CRFPB -> PESCO)}I gave up on it because I had already told that every role would've been fully explained on PM and flip, and also because I though not all players would have an equal chance at cracking it. (Frankly, I think only Alice would have stood a chance.)
I didn't particularly like rolling scum a second time, but it happened.You try to rolling it four times in a row to see how it feels...
##Yuyuko Doll: pesco47
Speaking frankly, I hate the Dream SK role. Zakeri had to win the same way donut did in RWoS!, except donut had like five fewer roles gunning for him.
That, and I still have some slight mental trauma from all that time playing NASU. ...Zak, you won't need that knife anymore, right?
Sorry bud. I've dropped all of my effects in the Nexus ... *pinches self*
Town had many good players, but I think that Serp was particularly good at playing Cop. Early game had everyone pointing out how pro-town and confirmed he was, so at that point he probably saw an NK coming his way and started acting a little more scummy for safety. His Edible clear on day 2 probably felt scummy as well, but would have been a very clear breadcrumb in case he was killed. I was only disappointed that he didn't suspect his results on Zakeri on day 3.You know, it's only when you mention it now that I consider the possibility it was deliberate. If Serp did actually do all this to get himself off the radar, he probably does deserve the MVP after all.
Sorry bud. I've dropped all of my effects in the Nexus ... *pinches self*:/
You know, it's only when you mention it now that I consider the possibility it was deliberate. If Serp did actually do all this to get himself off the radar, he probably does deserve the MVP after all.
Attempting to fill my posts with cop antitells, I almost get myself lynched. I suppose that makes sense. Anyway, in a setting renowned for its mindfucks, I halfway expect to be an insane/paranoid cop, but I need to use what I have.
##Investigate Edible
A real pity, as I quite liked the setup (except for the D3 dream world. fuck that shit.)What's so bad about allowing PMs for one day? I sincerely didn't think it would be particularly gamebreaking. The idea was to make everyone paranoid of any private proposals they might receive.
Also, one of these days people are going to not kill Kiro the first chance they get. This is what, the third game in a row he was scum's first choice to kill? <_<
Town had many good players, but I think that Serp was particularly good at playing Cop. Early game had everyone pointing out how pro-town and confirmed he was, so at that point he probably saw an NK coming his way and started acting a little more scummy for safety. His Edible clear on day 2 probably felt scummy as well, but would have been a very clear breadcrumb in case he was killed. I was only disappointed that he didn't suspect his results on Zakeri on day 3.
I think I overdid it a little. Playing purposefully scummy is an extremely fine line to tread, as BaitySM could tell you.Yep.
Actually, it's better if I don't, since not watching games removes player bias from my arguments.
That's a good idea, since using Meta as the basis for a case is almost as much of a scumtell as using WiFoM as the basis for a defense.I disagree, as long as the meta is applied correctly.
Meta is good for supporting a case or for finding initial suspicion, but by itself it falls short almost every time.For convincing people, yes.
You
at the beginningYou lost me.